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Tuesday, May 02, 2017

Responsible governing means failure

Rush Limbaugh quite reasonably asks why anyone should vote for Republicans if the result is simply more of the same old swamp:
Why is anybody voting Republican, if this is what happens when we win?

We won the House, we won the Senate, we won the White House, and the Democrats thwarted everything we supposedly said we were going to do with our victory. Well, I don’t want to use the word “we,” ’cause I’ve got nothing to do with this. This is another reason why I do not get close to these people. I do not… I would not relish having to have you call here today and make me justify what all happened here, had I been out there promoting and ballyhooing. That’s why I keep my distance from these people, ’cause I don’t have any control over what they’re gonna do or say, what their policies are going to be.

But I think this illustrates a much larger problem that we are going to have to recognize, and it’s the real reason Donald Trump was elected. It’s the real thing that he has got to do, and he’s got to start doing it. And it is not going to happen if he continues to work with Republicans, because it is obvious, for whatever reasons — and we can get into them — the Republican Party has no intention of defunding Planned Parenthood, no intention of defunding sanctuary cities. They don’t want to pay for a wall. Who knows what they really want in Obamacare. But then again, is it really the Republicans? I think there’s something much larger going on.

There’s no reason to keep electing Republicans if this is what we’re gonna get with this budget deal, which pays — continually pays — for sanctuary cities, funds Obamacare, funds the EPA, gives money to Planned Parenthood and no money for the wall. If you’re asking, “What am I voting for Republicans for?” you have a legitimate question. This is one of the reasons Donald Trump was elected. This is the swamp. This is what needs to be drained: The way the budget happens, the way legislation happens, who’s responsible for it. I’ll tell you where I’m going with this. I want to go back and play a sound bite from me on Friday’s program. This is the direction that I’m thinking this has to go…

Where’s Trump on this? For crying out loud, Trump’s elected president! Trump’s got a mandate. This was clearly part of it. Like building the wall, like any number of other things, repealing and place Obamacare was mentioned at every rally, so why doesn’t the president go in there and tell them what-for?

Let me try to explain this as best I can. When I saw this headline, it brought some things into focus for me, because this is gnawing at the edges here of irritation. The impression that I’ve had — you’ve had it, too — that something’s out of whack, something’s not right. We won the election. I’ve described it, I don’t see the glow of victory on Republican faces. I don’t see optimism. I don’t see happiness. I don’t see confidence. I don’t see an attitude that says, “Man, what an opportunity we have.” And as I say it’s just been eating away at me.
It seems to me that this is precisely what the presidential veto is for. Trump needs to be willing to call the bi-factional ruling party's bluff. Let them shut down government. Let them show the entire country how unnecessary it is.

And build the damn wall. It's pretty simple. No big beautiful wall, no second term. The wall is Trump's "no new taxes". If he doesn't build it, for any reason, he loses his base. All the other stuff, being presidential and responsible and exhibiting gravitas and sportsmanship is irrelevant.

The God-Emperor should begin each day by looking at his schedule and telling himself two things.

  1. Does this help me build the wall? 
  2. Does this help me drain the swamp?
If anything on his schedule does not fit into those two categories, he should cancel it and replace it with something that does.

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138 Comments:

Anonymous Simplytimothy May 02, 2017 11:04 AM  

#ShutItDownMrPresident

Anonymous johnc May 02, 2017 11:07 AM  

Trump told Bloomberg that he's very happy with the budget.

Do you see the A/B testing he's been doing with the wall lately? "Some people are saying that we don't need a wall because illegal crossings are down so much..."

The guy is a conman and a fraud.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2017 11:07 AM  

The God-Emperor could just cut to the chase and start ordering drone strikes on obstructionist Congressmen. That is entirely legal.

Anonymous Azimus May 02, 2017 11:08 AM  

Why can't Texas and Arizona build the wall? I doubt California or New Mexico would, but why not the Red States?

Blogger Gavin B. May 02, 2017 11:08 AM  

The Republicans are f**king worthless.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2017 11:08 AM  

Do you see the A/B testing he's been doing with the wall lately?

It isn't a con job to do A/B testing. It is good planning.

Blogger Hen May 02, 2017 11:15 AM  

Getting real hard to keep the faith in the GE. Faith in Republicans, never had any illusions there. Need the wall. Need the swamp drained.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 02, 2017 11:15 AM  

I agree shut it down and, unlike Obama, don't spend extra money to try and annoy everyday people by obstructing monuments and parks. Instruct the park rangers to leave the gates open and go home. The dirty secret that Democrats know and Republicans are too stupid to figure out is that the longer the shutdown the more people aren't going to be afraid of it in the future. If we had a 3-4 month shut down this year people would start saying "how is my life affected? Oh, not one bit." The media whining would reach a fever pitch about week 4. They will dig out the sob stories of some bureaucrats who can't make ends meet. After that though, they will have shot their load. Average people will notice no change in their own life and move on. Once the shutdown boogeyman is defanged the Democrats will have no more bullets in their gun.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 02, 2017 11:16 AM  

I guess Wall is their trigger for Concern Troll campaign?

As for the "current" budget, this is the 2016-2017 budget that was supposed to be passed last Summer. Not that Congress has actually passed a budget this Decade. (Let that sink in.) Trump wasn't supposed to have any effect on this one, so even some concessions is fine for this go around. That's why Trump is signaling for what comes later.

Hopefully the god-forsaken GOPe will have actually approved all of Trump's cabinet positions by then. They're both slow & useless. No wonder we call them cucks!

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 02, 2017 11:17 AM  

Well, if nothing else the House vote on the gorillion-dollar budget provides a nice little list of names.

Blogger Baldwin IV May 02, 2017 11:19 AM  

You're correct, the wall is absolutely essential. I think the main problem with Trump is that he is more passionate about the economy than he is about opposing illegal (and legal) immigration and has mistakenly assumed the rest of the country shared his views. So he probably thinks that if he delivers on trade, cutting regulations, and tax cuts is enough to get him a second term. He still understands that the wall is important, but as far as priorities go, the economy will come first. Trump hasn't realized that it's not "the economy, stupid" but rather it's "demographics, you idiot".

Blogger Tino May 02, 2017 11:21 AM  

Deep State has Trump totally corralled. The corrupt Kushner is feeding at the trough, Ivanka is enjoying acceptance into the Elite, Trump is now a Club Member instead of outsider. So it's over. He can rescue it only by undoing the nepotism, arresting Clinton and Bush, extraditing Herzog, neutering Goldman Sachs by removing all such men from Treasury and the riot act needs to be read to the Federal Reserve to start paying back redemptions long owed across the Sovreign Tiers and Patriots with full elimination of half of the 990 worldwide bases. Wall - irrelevant. Obamacare - Complete repeal. Since none of this will happen, it's over.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 02, 2017 11:24 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:I guess Wall is their trigger for Concern Troll campaign?

As for the "current" budget, this is the 2016-2017 budget that was supposed to be passed last Summer. Not that Congress has actually passed a budget this Decade. (Let that sink in.) Trump wasn't supposed to have any effect on this one, so even some concessions is fine for this go around. That's why Trump is signaling for what comes later.

Hopefully the god-forsaken GOPe will have actually approved all of Trump's cabinet positions by then. They're both slow & useless. No wonder we call them cucks!


The problem is the timing. If we have a shutdown now. There is plenty of time to show how little difference it makes before the cucks show up to their primaries. The Alt-Right candidates we can replace them with will have more wind in their sails if they can show how cowardly the cucks were and how Trump was right for shutting down the government and calling the Democrats bluff. If we have to wait for fall this year to do that, then it leaves less time for Alt-right challengers to organize their campaigns and establish their messaging.

Anonymous Grayman May 02, 2017 11:26 AM  

Why don't Texas and Arizona put a bounty out on anyone caught crossing the border? Require video evidence and offer $1,000 per head. You'd see illegal crossing shutdown very quickly. Crowd sourcing, its the hot thing right now!

Blogger Nate May 02, 2017 11:28 AM  

Failure to Wall is an Impeachable Offense.

Blogger Gaiseric May 02, 2017 11:28 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:I agree shut it down and, unlike Obama, don't spend extra money to try and annoy everyday people by obstructing monuments and parks. Instruct the park rangers to leave the gates open and go home. The dirty secret that Democrats know and Republicans are too stupid to figure out is that the longer the shutdown the more people aren't going to be afraid of it in the future. If we had a 3-4 month shut down this year people would start saying "how is my life affected? Oh, not one bit." The media whining would reach a fever pitch about week 4.
I guarantee that if that happened, I'd advance my holiday schedule, take some time off, and go hike the Teton Crest Trail without worrying about getting permits from offices that are closed. It'd be the best summer I've had in a while.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2017 11:30 AM  

This budget is irrelevant, although it would be hilarious if Trump vetoed it. Planned Parenthood gets funded with or without it, the government spending process is so off-kilter.

Blogger Gaiseric May 02, 2017 11:34 AM  

Tino wrote:Deep State has Trump totally corralled. The corrupt Kushner is feeding at the trough, Ivanka is enjoying acceptance into the Elite, Trump is now a Club Member instead of outsider. So it's over. He can rescue it only by undoing the nepotism, arresting Clinton and Bush, extraditing Herzog, neutering Goldman Sachs by removing all such men from Treasury and the riot act needs to be read to the Federal Reserve to start paying back redemptions long owed across the Sovreign Tiers and Patriots with full elimination of half of the 990 worldwide bases. Wall - irrelevant. Obamacare - Complete repeal. Since none of this will happen, it's over.
Demoralization trolls strike again...

Anonymous Rfvujm May 02, 2017 11:36 AM  

I remember in the later parts of the election cycle that people were talking about Trump representing a new political party in America. Of course he had to run on the Republican ticket in 2016. But I wonder whether the cuckservative convergence of the Republican Party may necessitate a new party, or is America doomed to the two parties we're stuck with now?

Blogger VD May 02, 2017 11:36 AM  

Since none of this will happen, it's over.

Good. Thank you for the news. You can stop commenting here, then.

Anonymous TLM May 02, 2017 11:37 AM  

How does a spending resolution authorize more HB-2s & Afghan 'refugees'? If Trump doesn't veto this he's mortally wounding himself. He was either a fraud during the campaign, or the swamp is more powerful than I ever imagined (But unfortunately it doesn't even appear DJT is putting up a fight?).

Ryan is a total fag and all, but he's winning the battles so far against Trump. Didn't see that happening 4 months ago.

Anonymous Grayman May 02, 2017 11:38 AM  

Texas has about 1.2 million registered hunters, deputize them all by state decree and put the bounty out. The sudden halt in illegal border crossing and in the leftist butt-hurt would be highly entertaining.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 02, 2017 11:38 AM  

They could make a low-res cheap video game tied to drones dropping inkbombs (heck,real bombs) on illegal immigrants and release it for free. High school boys would have it mastered within six weeks on their in-school typing class computers.

total dispersal of responsibility,massive increase in skills, teamwork like you wouldn't believe.

Blogger Mountain Man May 02, 2017 11:41 AM  

"Rush Limbaugh quite reasonably asks why anyone should vote for Republicans”

And we quite reasonably ask why anyone should listen to Rush Limbaugh - considering he has unequivocally supported this same Republican establishment for the last 25 + years.
Old doughy faced Rush - ever the astute opportunist- has realized that the WWF style of governing is coming to an abrupt end . The native masses are slowly waking to the fact that theatrical entertainment - masquerading as governing - has led to nothing but thin wallets and second class status for the 98 %. They’re pissed...and rightfully so. The pitchforks are coming out an the torches are bing lit. A portly opportunist like Rush, desiring to remain relevant while also coming out the other side unscathed, is suddenly having an alt-right “road to Damascus” conversion.
Rush belongs in the category : Fake Ally

Anonymous Magus May 02, 2017 11:42 AM  

I don't understand what's slowing him down. He tweeted today about willing to see the government shutdown, if that's what it takes, so maybe that's where this is all headed? That's where he wants to force the issue? Instead of making the case for State governments over Federal governments, just stop the funding of the Federal government entirely and let States start taking over on their own?

I just finished the Chernow biography on Hamilton. Seen how the system was built. Eager to crack open a book on Jackson, to a see man who could break it apart. Apparently Trump admires the man, so hoping to see some clue as to what his strategy is here, if there is one, or if he's given up in some sense (which boggles my mind to believe).

But I just don't get what the stall is. He doesn't need to watch his language or walk delicately. He's Teflon Don. What happened to that pace of the first few weeks? Just keep ramming stuff down their throat until they cry uncle, and then keep going.

Blogger VD May 02, 2017 11:44 AM  

My dear demoralization trolls. If you believe it's over, that's fine. Then there is no need for you to comment here. So, please be aware that if you comment in that vein, your comments will be spammed.

It may or may not be over. But here, at least, it's over for you.

Blogger Quilp May 02, 2017 11:46 AM  

Well said. great post. I have been wondering how long it would take LImbaugh to finally get around to publicly identifying the GOP as the enemy. He has skirted around the edges for some time now. For someone of his background (a Buckley "most conservative REPUBLICAN we can get guy) to come out, is huge. Sure, most of us on this site and others are way ahead of him, decades in some cases, but he does have influence with millions of listeners who still think their down ballot GOP votes helped the GE.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer May 02, 2017 11:46 AM  

The federal govt steers like a container ship, not a Lotus Exige

Blogger Mountain Man May 02, 2017 11:46 AM  

Read this today on Lew Rockwell:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/bill-sardi/understanding-trump/

An article that helps to fully understand Trump. He’s far from a con-man. He’s actually scary brilliant.

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 02, 2017 11:49 AM  

While a wall would be a nice touch, I wonder what its significance will be in the end. The current American system is a sinking ship after all; once the collapse happens and North America descends into an anarchic state filled with clashing militias and warlords, I'm sure many Hispanics will rush home instead of being killed off by blacks and whites. If Vox's prediction is true and the collapse will happen around 2033, isn't this like if the Romans built Hadrian's wall 16 years before the last Western emperor was deposed?

Blogger Rabbi B May 02, 2017 11:49 AM  

The Republicans and Democrats are on the same side and peddle the same agenda, while appearing to operate in opposition to one another. The truth is they are in concert with one another and the interests of the American people are the very least of their concerns, if they are even a concern at all at this point.

Trump ran as a Republican but ostensibly opposed both parties and both parties certainly opposed and continue to oppose Trump. As the OP pointed out, where are all the smiling faces from the Party who has unprecedented power to really get some things done? Where is the ambition? Where is the fire?

Our so-called representatives no longer represent us, and Trump championed himself as one who would. That's how he got elected in the first place. His election was a mandate. If he fails to follow through, he will receive another mandate and it won't be four more years in the White House.

Hopefully he won't let himself get sucked into the swamp. Time will tell.

Blogger Giraffe May 02, 2017 11:50 AM  

Trump may be losing some major battles, but he's winning a lot of them too. He's done better than I expected.

Every time there's a setback or he makes a mistake, people lose their damn minds. Give him a couple years.

Remember, WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer May 02, 2017 11:51 AM  

Some people need to man the #$@% up.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 02, 2017 11:52 AM  

@18 Gaiseric

The current trend seems to be for having really active Update Monitoring. They've got some prepared pieces for the day and drop them if the Keywords tag properly. On the monitored blogs. Even really, really popular ones get hit within 30s. That's clearly their new play.

It's especially noticeable that the topic to really make a mess in would have been the NYMag piece, but nary a peep. Wall + Trump? First negative post in 7 minutes. How sad is it that we can spot out their system?

It really only works because most platforms aren't owned by their operators. The IP Logs of Concern Trolls would be of very interesting use. I think it's why Gab is so far fairly clean. (Aside from the nice Muting/Blocking tools.) Since the owners aren't converged, they risk exposing their bot-network.

Blogger Mountain Man May 02, 2017 11:52 AM  

@33

Mark Driscoll is that you ?

Blogger August May 02, 2017 11:54 AM  

I figured Trump would get treatment similar to what Jesse Ventura did. Despite winning as a Republican, the politicians in D.C. don't see him as on their team. Besides, in order to get Congress to work for the people again, someone has to change their incentives. They have to pay for their positions- you get on a committee or something and then you have to fund raise and pay the party.

But doing something in the national security interests along the border makes a lot more sense than bombing Syria. Additionally, the Secure Fence act of 2006 has funding AND language in it pertaining to 'maintaining operational control'- which could reasonably be read as allowing for a wall if that's what's needed.

I've also heard (think it was Reason magazine but can't find the link) that Obama gave Congress an exemption from Obamacare, one Trump or someone in the administration can take away. Frankly, he should not allow them to be exempt from anything they pass anymore. Make them eat their own dog food.

Trump is tweeting about shutting down the government. This would be a good start.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 02, 2017 11:55 AM  

Mixed messages are part of every transition.

Those who believed that simply pulling the lever marked "Trump" was going to right this near-capsizing ship must be rather naive.

Take a drive on the FL coast. Watch HGTV's programs on people buying lavish homes in the Caribbean Islands. Who do you think is buying that stuff?

Hint: Those who figured out how to join the tens of millions of parasites we refer to as "the Deep State." This long debt-fueled boom gorged them, they are mountains as to the mole-hills that offed the Kennedy brothers 50+ years (and who knows how many wars) ago.

The system established in 1787 is long dead. Trump's election won't reanimate that corpse.

What Trump does matters at the margin (and that's important), but I still maintain that he's only the first sign of trend change beginning. When that trend is in full control, what follows him will be quite different.

Enjoy the sunset. Darkness will follow.

Blogger RobertT May 02, 2017 11:55 AM  

Amen Brother, Where is Trump? Was it all a parody to get elected? I get the impression he's been overwhelmed with the glamour of it all. Not a good sign.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer May 02, 2017 11:55 AM  

it would be better to start building the wall a couple months before midterms 2018.

Blogger Lazarus May 02, 2017 11:57 AM  

It seems to me that this is precisely what the presidential veto is for.

Unfortunately, The budget resolution is a “concurrent” congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto.

Anonymous Baseball Savant May 02, 2017 11:57 AM  

1. Does this help me build the wall?
2. Does this help me drain the swamp?


Agree here. Trump has to know this. I've always had the thought that Trump understood legacy. I think VD said once that to this point Trump's place in history is slumlord to the elite and I thought he wanted out of that particular place in history. I don't think the alt-right is going to go for "Hey, I'll use my 2nd term to build the wall and drain the swamp" in 2020. They might not vote for the dems but they won't vote for Trump either.

The strategy here seems all goofed up to me, but then it's only been a 100 days.

Blogger RobertT May 02, 2017 11:57 AM  

And let's face it. While he was on the sidelines, he was a charter member of the ruling class. Maybe everything in between was a bunch of bullshit.Sure he's done some nice things, but none of them build the wall. None of them drain the swamp.

Blogger Lazarus May 02, 2017 11:59 AM  

VD wrote:It may or may not be over. But here, at least, it's over for you.

Ask not for whom the Fat Lady sings, trolls, she sings for you.

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 02, 2017 12:01 PM  

@32 The thought sends chills down spine. Could you imagine what would've happened to Nathan Domingo after he punched out that commie chick; he'd have been arrested, his face plastered all over the media while Hillary screeches from the pulpit the this is the new face of misogyny. Whatever failures Trump may present, he's still ten times better then what we could've gotten. Trump's victory wasn't just a win for nationalism, but also a victory against the regressive left, or really just the left in general at this point.

Blogger RobertT May 02, 2017 12:03 PM  

"Unfortunately, The budget resolution is a “concurrent” congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto."

But he still controls spending. He can essentially do what he wants. He can ignore Congress. He can ignore the courts. He's the big dixk on the block. Why isn't he acting like it? He seems oblivious.

But ... There's always a but ... I get the impression he's doing events around the country to monitor the base. Are they still supportive? That is the only thing that gives me hope.

Blogger bosscauser May 02, 2017 12:04 PM  

McConnell refuses to use the nuclear option.
Trump threatening shut down September. They played him!

We need to blood in Congress...

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Locke May 02, 2017 12:05 PM  

Every single member of the Main Street Partnership is a leftist that runs as a Republican. They need to be removed from office or leftist creep will continue no matter who is in charge.

Veto the bill. Demand the wall be built. Go home till they present you will a bill for the wall.

Anonymous roadrage May 02, 2017 12:06 PM  

Do not put your trust in princes,
Nor in a son of man,
in whom there is no help...
Happy is he who has the God of Jacob
for his help
Whose hope is in the Lord his God.
Ps 146:3,5

Anonymous User May 02, 2017 12:08 PM  

Sundance's article showing how the legislature has abdicated its legislative duty is conclusive evidence that the American Republic no longer actually exists.

Any victory is going to require a revolution. The Alt-Right is laying the moral foundation for that revolution to succeed which means it's basic 4GW really. As soon as the American people are convinced that institutional action up to violence is morally correct, then by the grace of our God we will not fail to restore our liberty for another spell.

Anonymous instasetting May 02, 2017 12:08 PM  

I'm gonna relax. Trump has done awesome so far. And as I've frequently said, the Left is fragile. It took ten years or so from Reagan's election to the Fall of the Berlin Wall, and there were a lot of moments, and mistakes along the way, but in the end the Left fell.

We conservatives won that war. If you alt-righters want to better us, you need to drop the screaming nuts libertarians style, and settle down a little bit. Things, in general, are going pretty well.


Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 02, 2017 12:08 PM  

But I think this illustrates a much larger problem that we are going to have to recognize, and it’s the real reason Donald Trump was elected. It’s the real thing that he has got to do, and he’s got to start doing it.

And why does Rush think Trump is going to do anything but cuck out like he's already been doing for the past six weeks when Daddy's Little Girl Ivanka is the one who *really* runs the White House?

Blogger allyn71 May 02, 2017 12:09 PM  

Trump is an insurgent political machine against the establishment parties on both side of the aisle. He has no allies in the legislative branch as Rush points out in the link. He is alone in the swamp surrounded on all sides.

While I don't always agree with his political decisions (and this is one of them) I will defer as he is the God Emperor and master of the "Art of the Deal". He has earned my trust and as such I will give him more time.

A prediction for why he deferred on this budget. I believe he will use this budget and other obstructions by the establishment republicans to set up rallies this summer to replace the cucks and send him reinforcements.

Time will tell, maybe it is just wishful thinking but I believe that he understands the long game and that his support is with the people not politicians. He will to continue to build his insurgency and get his own people in. He will use this budget to start to do that.

Blogger Lance E May 02, 2017 12:11 PM  

When it comes to subjects like foreign policy and how to wrangle actors like Xinping, Un, and Assad, I'm willing to admit that I just don't really know the facts on the ground and adopt a "wait and see" posture - can't always clearly see the tactics Trump is using while they're in play.

And I also know that Trump is not going to reverse 100 years of awful domestic policy in a few months. It simply can't be done.

But what IS starting to worry me is Trump's apparent inability to bring his own party into line. We all knew that wouldn't happen right away, but as far as I can tell, the swamp-dwellers have been given all carrot and no stick. McLame is still out there giving sound bites to the opposition media, McConnell will not even try to stand up to Senate Democrats, and Paul Ryan is... well, Paul Ryan.

This doesn't look like just some crappy compromise that Trump may have to make in order to continue the momentum, like the AHCA. This is a slap in the face to the man himself and the overwhelming majority of the Americans who voted for him. Yeah, Trump is now talking about a "shutdown" in September, which is basically the same old strategy of kicking the can down the road. But what's going to change between now and September? Absolutely nothing, that's what.

Rush is right; if Republicans are just going to let Democrats run everything as a MINORITY, then who cares about voting in more Republicans in 2018? The 60-vote threshold is a weak excuse; if it's getting in the way, eliminate it. Democrats sure as hell won't hesitate to eliminate it if they ever manage a slim majority.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 02, 2017 12:12 PM  

I keep saying, "A shutdown hands power to the executive." Trump should be saying, "Don't throw me in that briar patch!"

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 02, 2017 12:13 PM  

d.c. sunsets, as usual, provides a helpful reminder of reality. Trump was never going to fix what's wrong. The best we could hope for is that he would buy us some time to prepare for what comes.

Anonymous BluePony May 02, 2017 12:13 PM  

Wondering WTF is going on is not concern trolling. Everything should be questioned at all times.

Glassy eyed devotion by the masses is what got us this unholy mess of a self parody we call civilization in the first place.

"Whatever failures Trump may present, he's still ten times better then what we could've gotten."

I agree, but demanding and fighting for better as we try and figure out what's what down here on the streets remains essential.

I'm very flexible. It may makle me an apostate, but I can see trading the wall for going after the employers, and I mean HARD. Perp walks by CEOs hard. It's something they can start doing right now.

Blogger Chris Lutz May 02, 2017 12:14 PM  

@24 I would have agreed with you up until around 2006. Limbaugh hasn't been an establishment guy for awhile now. Up until that time he was a rah-rah Republican but I think Dubya and his immigration plan killed all of that for him. Limbaugh's old enough to remember a fairly sane country and can see what is rapidly happening to it.

He never dismissed Trump outright and gave him a pretty fair shake when I did listen. So basically calling him a Fake Ally I think is wrong. Rush isn't a deep thinker but I don't think he's a simple shill for the Republicans.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 02, 2017 12:14 PM  

Wondering WTF is going on is not concern trolling. Everything should be questioned at all times.

A lot of folks have difficulty distinguishing between "concern trolling" and "being told things I don't want to hear or think about."

Blogger Shimshon May 02, 2017 12:16 PM  

I think the phrase Rush is looking for is, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

It's like this story I recently read about the proposed class settlement regarding Google Books. Look, Google is Evil. But this settlement promised to open up tens of millions of previously unscanned books caught in copyright purgatory to online access. Some do-gooders claimed Congress could/should do it, and scuttled the deal. Meanwhile, no one else has stepped up with an alternative, least of all Congress.

The Freedom Posse (yeah, I know, not their name) and the rest of the lot of Republicuck hacks are not helping any cause.

I don't get Trump's game vis a vis the wall (I happen to think he can spin a shutdown's blame on Congress just fine), but that doesn't mean I'm going to turn into a defeatroll.

Blogger Cetera May 02, 2017 12:18 PM  

There are a half-dozen folks here that may just need to take a few deep breaths, a step back, and relax for a couple of moments. See what life looks like on the other side.

There are more than a few trolls and propagandists who need to be purged in the holy nuclear fire, too, but that's not yet within our reticles.

As an exercise for those who are concerned about the way the GE Trump is handling things, try this:
Find one piece of legislation that has been written by an actual member of Congress in the last 10 years. Doesn't matter how big or impactful or lengthy. Just find one example of a bill that was written by a Rep or Senator, or with the aid of their immediate staffers. See if you can find a single example.

If you can't find a single bill written by a congresscritter (and I don't think you can), you'll understand a little bit more about what Trump is doing and facing.

Our nation doesn't work the way you were taught it does, or the way you believe it should. Certainly not the way it was set up by the founders. Congress doesn't write legislation anymore. Special interests write legislation. Congresscritters sponsor and vote on the pre-written legislation.

Thirty years ago, ~$100k was spend per Congresscritter by lobbyists. Last year, on average over $5,000,000 was spent on each member. There is no one at all in the entirety of Congress that is actually working with Trump.

The Rs aren't working with Trump, because
a) they don't want to because no one is paying them to do so,
b) they don't have anyone writing pro-Trump legislation ('cause the special interests have no interest in any of Trump's agenda - it'll cost them money), and
c) they don't write any legislation anymore. They have nothing prepared, don't know how to do it, no bench team to crank anything out.


Trump isn't A/B testing. He's rope-a-doping. He's alone, fighting the behemoth. He's dancing around faster than anyone in D.C. can understand, let alone hope to catch or pin down. Trump is building his infrastructure, and preparing the battlefield, while at the same time staying out of reach of any powerful blows to him.

At some point, all legislation passed by Congress will be written by a member of Trump's administration, and given to Congress, and told to pass it, or else. That time isn't yet here. He still doesn't even have all his people in place due to the freaking Senate stonewalling on everything.

This isn't a small problem to be solved. It is a battle for the survival of the U.S. and the Constitution. If you don't really think that Trump knows or understands what is going on, go back and listen to his speech in Palm Beach, talking about the last window of opportunity to save the country. Go ahead, I'll wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ_eV2TRlOg

Now, let's visit Trump's strategy with China, where he had his granddaughter serenade the President of China and his wife, in Mandarin. Just how long does it take to teach a little girl to sing Chinese songs in Mandarin? How long has Trump been planning his administration?

I submit to you that Trump has been working on this plan for a minimum of four years, and really probably much closer to 10. If you don't understand what he's doing, it's probably because you aren't on the inside, and don't have all the info. By this time next year, things are going to look a lot different.

But ultimately, it really doesn't matter. Trump is the last shot at saving the Constitution and Western Civilization as we know it. Should he fail, it will be blood and pain and violence, and those that survive will have to rebuild whatever they find to be best.

Anonymous BluePony May 02, 2017 12:18 PM  

"Any victory is going to require a revolution."

Can we start here in California? People here are openly offering up Sacrament as a potential target for North Korea.

Do it, Kim! Give that rat's nest a proper Jonging. You're the Un and only one who can pull it off. Well, assuming the rocket doesn't explode on the way to the pad.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2017 12:18 PM  

While a wall would be a nice touch, I wonder what its significance will be in the end.

The Wall is a necessity for several reasons. It's campaign promise #1 kept, first of all. It's a symbol of America turning to her own interests instead of those of others (nationalism over globalism). It's proof that we're still capable of defending our own. It's a kick in the face of the GOP cucks who gladly made the funding and authority for the Wall available when they knew it wouldn't be used, and are now trying to renege. And as a practical matter, it's harder to cross a Wall than a not-a-Wall.

Having said all that, I'm not especially worried. If there is failure to Wall in the long run, we'll have plenty of time then to moan and groan and congratulate the defeatists on their broken clock strategy finally paying off. We knew the fight with the establishment was only getting started on November 9th; in fact, I think many of us said exactly that the evening before. It continues.

Blogger VD May 02, 2017 12:18 PM  

A lot of folks have difficulty distinguishing between "concern trolling" and "being told things I don't want to hear or think about."

No, they don't. Those of you who clearly are wired to enjoy doomsaying are not telling anyone anything they don't already know.

If I thought you were a concern troll, you'd have been spammed already.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 02, 2017 12:19 PM  

"Magus wrote:......But I just don't get what the stall is. He doesn't need to watch his language or walk delicately. He's Teflon Don. What happened to that pace of the first few weeks? Just keep ramming stuff down their throat until they cry uncle, and then keep going."

Trump has state into the dark abyss of the deep state. It scared him. He is now in the orient phase of an OODA loop. He understands what is at stake. Hopefully he will decide to risk his life, his family, and his nation in order to save it and fight.

I wouldn't fault him for pausing and reconsidering many things.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 02, 2017 12:20 PM  

stared, not stated.

Blogger Phat Repat May 02, 2017 12:21 PM  

VD, I've been following you for quite a while and appreciate your viewpoint and the information shared. Of late, however, it seems you're shifting to the echo chamber model. I agree with your desire to keeping on-topic and without profanity. But not allowing contradicting views or the calling out of the GE when he appears to be losing focus, is not of value to any of us; concern trolls aside. Yes, it's your site and I consider you at the forefront of the alt-right. However, nothing is a foregone conclusion.

And yes, I feel Trump has strayed. He isn't being heavy-handed enough for my liking and I especially don't like (((Ivanka))) and her (((husband))) in an 'advisory' capacity. Continue this path and there will be no 2nd term. But I suspect the economy will soon enough stress the system sufficiently; by summer if not end of year. Then we'll see what everyone is made of, especially the GE.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 02, 2017 12:21 PM  

@3 VFM #6306

"The God-Emperor could just cut to the chase and start ordering drone strikes on obstructionist Congressmen. That is entirely legal."

I'm concerned that there might be legal issues with actually conducting these strikes within the borders of the US. On an unrelated note, perhaps this would be a good time to start a campaign to raise funds to send McCain, Graham, McConnell, and a few judges on fact-finding missions to Afghanistan. Or Yemen.

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Blogger Robert What? May 02, 2017 12:24 PM  

I think Jared Kushner is now the defacto President.

Anonymous Grayman May 02, 2017 12:26 PM  

Lance E wrote:……..But what IS starting to worry me is Trump's apparent inability to bring his own party into line. We all knew that wouldn't happen right away, but as far as I can tell, the swamp-dwellers have been given all carrot and no stick. McLame is still out there giving sound bites to the opposition media, McConnell will not even try to stand up to Senate Democrats, and Paul Ryan is... well, Paul Ryan……..

Trump does not have a party. The republicans are the official Cuck party and cuckservitives are going to cuck to whomever pays them and that is not us “little people”. Realize that the US government as an entity is functionally converged and subverted by a collection of groups whose interest is diametrically opposed to the interests of the legacy white American who they are actively working to replace.

The tide is turning and any one man isn’t going to change the direction of the tide, even Trump. The question around Trump is simply how much can he help by laying ground work. He can’t and won’t make structural changes. Right now it is still in the interest of even the more rabid alt-right to maintain their daily life providing for themselves and their family. It doesn’t make sense for individuals or groups to start going Breivik yet. Once the bankrupt pensions start to blow up and rest of the debt bubble loses its vigor, things will turn quickly.

Blogger Mountain Man May 02, 2017 12:26 PM  

@60

Ding..ding..ding ...we have a winner!

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 02, 2017 12:27 PM  

No, they don't. Those of you who clearly are wired to enjoy doomsaying are not telling anyone anything they don't already know.

That's just it - I *don't* enjoy doomsaying. I sincerely wish I could cheerlead for Trump at this point and jump on the "he's playing 10-D chess and moving the pieces with his mind" bandwagon. But reality is what it is, and it will snap back just as hard on those on the alt-Right who disregard it as it does to those on the Left. Trump is getting swampified, and it's largely because of Jared Kushner, Ivanka, and H.R. McMaster. He needs to get his mojo back before he lets his opportunities slip from his grasp.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 02, 2017 12:27 PM  

Trump keeps giving Paul Ryan and the rest of the Uniparty leadership rope, and they wrap it around their necks and ask for more.

Cool. Well, never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 02, 2017 12:27 PM  

Limbaugh has long detested the GOP Establishment as a go-along-to-get-along pack of cowards.

I haven't given up on Trump. One of the biggest problems of the populist Right (alt, not-so-alt, whatever) is that they think winning ONE election will bring triumph. It won't. The Federal Government is massive...its income (not spending, INCOME) is equal to that of the ten largest companies in the world combined. The Federal workforce (including military) is that of the six largest companies in the U.S. It's a lot of inertia.

Trump can't turn this around in 100 days. Especially since I don't think he fully realized how big that swamp really was. How many "Republicans" were really Republi-cowards.

My counsel to Trump would be:

1. Press hard for a two-year set of authorization and appropriation bills. Congress can't get those done on an annual basis, which leads directly to the whole wretched business of omnibus spending bills to paper things over. And it's those omnibus spending bills that get loaded with pork. It's why the Confederate Constitution prohibited them.

2. Dismiss all Obama holdovers. Now. Promote career Civil Service people as temporary fills, but get the stay-behind saboteurs out.

3. Accept that you'll have to primary at least two dozen Republi-cowards to put spine in the rest. Do it.

4. Get criminal investigations going against EVERY Democrat in Congress. Dems and corruption go together, you'll turn up enough to put a few dozen in jail. Make the arrests in time for critical votes.

5. Prosecute Obama and Hillary to the fullest extent of the law. No mercy...not for what they've done.

6. Declare "sanctuary cities" in rebellion. Impose martial law, hold summary courts-martial. Keep in mind that the critical event in the race rights struggle was not a court decision, but the decision by President Eisnhower to use military force. The mailed fist of the United States gets people's attention. The courts may argue...which is itself an act of rebellion, to be suppressed by force of arms.

7. Expect a long, hot, messy summer. Lots of Leftist rioting. Let the locals try the conciliatory approach (which will fail)...then restore order with the generous use of force. It may be prudent to do this before implementing Point 6.

8. Keep smacking the Propaganda Press around. Hard. Kick the liars out of the White House Briefing Room. Pull broadcast licenses. This is the Leftist center of political gravity...destroy it.

Anonymous trev006 May 02, 2017 12:29 PM  

It would be hilarious to watch a Republican Congress fail to pass a Republican budget, especially if they fail to make it veto proof. It may, in fact, be the perfect opportunity for the President to seize that power from Congress permanently. At least wait until the budget actually passes, to have an idea of how the President can respond.

I don't see how Ryan can stay Speaker if two of his major agenda items never even pass a vote, though...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 02, 2017 12:32 PM  

@20 VD

"Since none of this will happen, it's over.

Good. Thank you for the news. You can stop commenting here, then"

Tough to tell whether that one is extraordinarily low-effort concern trolling, or intentional satire.

Blogger Antony May 02, 2017 12:32 PM  

One suggestion for draining the swamp would be to bar dual nationals (ie Israel) from standing for Senate/Congress - obviously these people will have divided loyalties - this is not anti-semitic as it would apply to all nationalities.
Additionaly, Israel is always crowing about it's high tech, high IQ population who made the deserts bloom etc - well done - but they do receive large amounts of economic and military aid, given that aid is usually only given to 3rd world countries in times of natural disaster (or is supposed to only be given on those occasions !) - they surely do not need this aid, if they want to buy weapons they can do so with their own money.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 02, 2017 12:35 PM  

Trump has had what around 6.9 % of his first term? He came in with a huge attack by everyone on the left and old time right. he is fighting an uphill battle, it will likely take him until the spring-summer of 2018 to get the major polices through.

Like many heare this morning I was disspointed in what I head about the budget. Yet I note the presss failed to point out two things:

1) This was for the current budget of 2016~2017, which is already 1/2 though and continuing resolutions control most of the spending already.
2) Because it is for the last budget controlled by the previous president, there is not much Trump can do.

Now ask yourself, why is every one piling on? Note the concern trolls who come on every time since the first 30 days and declare trump to have failed already. It is propaganda, aimed at crushing the sprits of his supporters.

Now is not the time to give up. Now is the time to support the president and call you congress critter, pointing out what you voted for and who you will view them if they do not go along with the G-d Emperor. As Thomas Paine said, this is not the time for the summer soldier, it seems many are willing to give up at the first setback, real or imagined.

We may yet achieve great things, and if they were not difficult, the result would not be great or to be celebrated when we win. Stand for your own, I am not sure who is on my side, but Trump gives every indication he is and so I will stand by him for at least the first 2 years. The fact is Trump is the last best possibility to avoid a civil war, and not a US civil war which was pretty civil, but something on the lines of what occurred in the Balkans in the 1990s. We have to win and will, if the right minded folks do not give in to despair, let the left do that instead.

Some of my older Christian friends see the hand of G-d in this. They may well be right, Trump getting elected is unheard of and could not have occurred in any other nation. The fight has barely begun, stand firm friends else we are doomed to something much worse.

P.S. I actually would prefer to allow the doom-Sayers on, but to mock them without mercy. Let the left cringe when they hear the name of the Trumpenator.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 02, 2017 12:35 PM  

@61 BluePony
"Any victory is going to require a revolution."

Can we start here in California? People here are openly offering up Sacrament as a potential target for North Korea"

Sounds like their intentions are good, but I'm not so sure about the target. Replacement legislators are a dime a dozen. How about Hollywood?

Blogger mgh May 02, 2017 12:35 PM  

I don't like this budget either, but the best we could get was going to be a budget with some cuts that we like. Nothing radical, just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Losing this battle to The Swamp can serve as a demonstration that could be used to piss off enough conservatives and followers of Rush and Hannity to get really serious about electing a new Congress. Primaries occur next spring so the pissing off needs to grow over the next six months in order to find candidates more agreeable with Trump.

Anonymous BBGKB May 02, 2017 12:36 PM  

When he doesn't appear to be doing anything is when he is drawing the cockroaches out into the open.

OT: Flaming Gay VICE STEM HS Principle curses out abortion protesters, I guess they don't teach pendulums swinging back.

An assistant principal at the prestigious Downingtown STEM Academy...video-recorded cursing at two teenage anti-abortion protesters on school property, telling them that aborted fetuses were “cells,” that he was gay and didn’t “give a [expletive] about Jesus," and then loudly singing "I Love a Parade," apparently to drown out the pair...Watch the video (warning, it includes offensive language):
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/631616/
http://www.philly.com/philly/education/Downingtown-STEM-administrator.html

Anonymous Magus May 02, 2017 12:38 PM  

@60 - Cetera, well said. I know I'm guilty of still thinking it works that way, even though I know better. I would just like to be a fly on the wall of the Oval Office.

I'm so eager to see him bash some skulls in, but I know it's more complicated than that.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 02, 2017 12:42 PM  

Presumably Trump has laid down a September 30 marker for Ryan and the other disgusting cucks to put together a budget he can sign or he will shut down the government. Trump has drawn a domestic red line.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 02, 2017 12:42 PM  

Who among us is ready to pay the price that will come with real change? Volunteers?

(crickets.)

Sorry, but if we were five guys deciding on what to have on our pizza, no one could get along on it. Instead, we're 330,000,000 people, each with membership in three dozen often competing political factions, all of whom jockey for a better angle on Uncle Sam's best nipple.

Politicians' main job is massaging that morass to stay in power. And we're surprised that the end product looks like blood sausage produced by street vendors in Saigon?

Inertia and gridlock ARE the swamp. We're part of it, like it or not. This is why there are NO political solutions to problems created by politics.

I'll settle for a slowing the rate of descent, and maybe a few specific favorable details. If Trump just NOT BEING CLINTON is the best we get, I can't say I'd be crushed. At least the conversation has turned a little.

Anonymous CarpeOro May 02, 2017 12:44 PM  

If you think the election was the end of your job to try and get things changed, you have ignored the last 37 years of American politics. The Republican representatives and senators need to have pressure applied to them - the bully pulpit can't change things alone. Those elected people that are behind Trump - vanishingly few - will appreciate the support. The rest? They need it made clear that they need to tow the line, especially those who were just reelected or elected last November. We have all seen them play the cuck if we leave them to their own devices.

Anonymous RevDanTheMan May 02, 2017 12:45 PM  

Holy crap, read comment #60 ... Cetera, you are BRILLIANT.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 02, 2017 12:45 PM  

*With an asterisk to my above: Ryan still has to be destroyed.

Anonymous johnc May 02, 2017 12:47 PM  

If Trump forced a government shutdown his approval would go through the roof. People are desperate for someone -- anyone -- to take on this useless, out-of-touch Congress.

He should sign an EO saying that Congressmen don't get paid during the shutdown as well. Order the Treasury to stop payments. I'm sure some cuck judge will overturn it but not before the point is made.

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis May 02, 2017 12:48 PM  

As soon as I saw the post I knew the Crying Marys would pile in. Sure enough, the first one was at number two. They're obviously watching for new posts in between watching cuck porn and stuffing their pie holes with gas station burritos.

The only question is whether they're paid trolls or autistic spergs. Probably both.

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2017 12:48 PM  

> No big beautiful wall, no second term. The wall is Trump's "no new taxes". If he doesn't build it, for any reason, he loses his base.

Absolutely. But for Trump the wall is just a tool in his plan to get the US economy going again (you can't do that if all the jobs are taken by illegal immigrants). The central piece to that is his tax cuts. Expect him to pull out the big guns if they don't give him those.

> Those who believed that simply pulling the lever marked "Trump" was going to right this near-capsizing ship must be rather naive.

Hillary would have given us a civil war in at least her second term, possibly her first. Trump simply delaying that was worth the vote.

Getting much beyond the Executive Orders he's already done requires the help of Congress. If they won't get on board with his agenda his only option is to shut it allow down. I think he'll wait to do that till his tax proposals are thrown out. Then he can make some examples of a few in the 2018 elections (McKinley, pretty please) and that may bring the remainder in line.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 02, 2017 12:49 PM  

@66 "And yes, I feel Trump has strayed. He isn't being heavy-handed enough for my liking..."

We all like to fantasize - I like it like nothing else. I like to fantasize about 'what I'd do as President' about as much as 'what I'd do if I won the lottery.'

But the guy who got there has a much better understanding of what one can accomplish as a leader than I do, just like the guy with a 100 million dollar positive net worth has a much better idea of what to do with it, and not do with it, than I do.

Anonymous Anchorman May 02, 2017 12:51 PM  

The GOPe is scheming to lose the House in 2018.

Lose the House, lose any chance of Trump re-election. Trump agenda stalled permanently.

Blogger Phat Repat May 02, 2017 1:00 PM  

@90 Agreed, in part. I don't dispute the enormity of the task, but there is an existential threat to the GE in the form of our FinSys. The sooner he starts cracking skulls, talking about the dire straits we are in (frequently), the better for us all. And he is starting to take that path (e.g. breaking up the big banks), but it needs to be accelerated, pronto. Otherwise, it will be rather easy to lay this at the feet of the GE and poof goes his vision (and mine).

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2017 1:00 PM  

>(crickets.)

You know better than that, dc. Here of all places people are working on changing things all the time.

> He should sign an EO saying that Congressmen don't get paid during the shutdown as well.

He doesn't need an EO. If there's no signed budget or other funding mechanism, he declares a state of emergency and decides where the incoming funds get spent. As long as the Social Security checks and the like go out, no one really cares if the government is shut down or not.

Anonymous Grayman May 02, 2017 1:02 PM  

The economic situation is interesting. With the rapid expansion and growing impact of automation the current economic system does not have a clear path forward. if we go through a period of major global / civil conflict as we appear to be headed for the automation issue will still exist on the other side of the event horizon unless we nuke ourselves back to the stone age.
Perhaps there is a good treatise out there on an economic system that is effective with mass automation. if any of the big brains floating around here know of one, please share.

Blogger Cetera May 02, 2017 1:02 PM  

johnc wrote:If Trump forced a government shutdown his approval would go through the roof. People are desperate for someone -- anyone -- to take on this useless, out-of-touch Congress.

He should sign an EO saying that Congressmen don't get paid during the shutdown as well. Order the Treasury to stop payments. I'm sure some cuck judge will overturn it but not before the point is made.



Trump has some leverage now, but not enough. He might win a Pyrrhic victory with a gov't shut down now, but lose the war. He needs more leverage. This is a continuing resolution of a continuing resolution, multiplied by 8 more CR layers. His ability to influence it is not insignificant, but not enough to get what he really wants.

There will be no more continuing resolutions. There will be a budget for the next fiscal year, or the gov't will shut down. That's where Trump has much more leverage. That's the battle space that is being prepped.

Give the GOPe enough rope to hang themselves, and prepare for the start of the first battle of the war in five months. All the rest of everything that has gone on to this point are just minor skirmishes. Trump has yet to begin to fight in earnest. He still doesn't have his forces positioned, because of "friendlies" running interference.

Anonymous Grayman May 02, 2017 1:06 PM  

Perhaps an effective political strategy is to refuse to allow anyone to have more than 1 term and stop playing the "party" game, they are all cucks. Always vote out any incumbent. It generally takes more than 1 term to build up the wealth and influence that our current batch of political succubi are addicted to.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 02, 2017 1:12 PM  

@83 dc.sunsets

A Hillary Presidency would have activated all of the Leftist activists. We'd see the start of the actual implementation of direct persecution of Christians in the States, movement to remove the 2A, importation of massive amounts of Muslims, War with Russia over Syria and a host of other issues.

I predicted that Texas would secede before the end of Hillary's term. That wasn't a joke; it's a fairly accurate prediction of what was going to happen. People don't realize how insanely incompetent Hillary actually is. Everything she has touched has ended up in death, destruction or both. So all of her attached minions would be unleashed, but everything she was responsible for would have careened for destruction. (Our Foreign Policy would never recover.)

And if you thought Obama was the greatest gun seller in history? November & December 2016 would have been the greatest sales of guns in human history. Prices might have tripled over night. I knew of non-gun heavy people talking of building *arsenals* in the event of a Hillary term.

tz made a really good point some time back that a Trump Presidency ensures that the ground that'll be fought on is the Blue section of the country. That's to everyone's benefit.

Blogger Sam Lively May 02, 2017 1:18 PM  

The Andy Jackson Trump asides were refreshing. As long as Trump maintains his capacity for gut-level breaks with respectable opinion there is hope for swamp-drainage.

Anonymous Crew May 02, 2017 1:18 PM  

@98:

I predicted that Texas would secede before the end of Hillary's term. That wasn't a joke; it's a fairly accurate prediction of what was going to happen. People don't realize how insanely incompetent Hillary actually is. Everything she has touched has ended up in death, destruction or both.

Well, I think that was actually Hillary's plan, so she sounds competent to me, competent at death and destruction for the little people who are so tiresome to her.

Blogger Phat Repat May 02, 2017 1:21 PM  

@96 I absolutely want your vision to play out. I want these cucks to feel the heat, and more. They must be routed and removed; no exceptions. And then, publicly disgraced, shunned in their community, shamed no matter where they appear. Then, and only then, will I feel we are truly on the path to reclaiming our country. GE, make it so.

Anonymous Jeff May 02, 2017 1:23 PM  

Trump's enemies all know the importance of the Wall to him politically. This puts Trump in a tough spot from which to negotiate.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar May 02, 2017 1:30 PM  

I pretty much agree with everything Cetera is saying here and eventually Congress will be forced to produce. Long game.

Same with folks wondering about NK. Different venue, same strategy. Our forces will be positioned for overwhelming force, and the time is coming to make the hard choice. I believe we will win without firing a shot. It will be costly, but sets us up as Boss, whether we fight or not.

Budget makes me sad, but it is what it is. I would like to see changes to certain departments which would make it difficult for them to spend their budget allotments. EPA, I'm looking at you.

Anonymous Panzer Man May 02, 2017 1:34 PM  

Two outcomes:

1. He builds the Wall. Nationalism Intensifies as a concrete measure is put in place that provides both a real block to invading beaners and a powerful symbol of "we don't want this place to become not-America."

2. He fails to build the wall. Nationalism Intensifies as his base is infuriated by the failure of this high-profile America-saving project, making them receptive to an even more explicitly nationalist candidate.

While getting the Wall would be great, not getting it isn't necessarily a final disaster, either. Rage and disappointment are effective motivators, even if hope and confidence are preferable.

Anonymous Baseball Savant May 02, 2017 2:17 PM  

@104, VD has been saying this for awhile. You pass on Pat Buchanan you get Ron Paul. You pass on Ron Paul you get the Tea Party. You pass on the Tea Party and you get Donald Trump. You pass on Trump? Libs/Media have NO IDEA what's in store because the trend is perfectly clear. Vox might very well end up President.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 02, 2017 2:23 PM  

Panzer Man wrote:Rage and disappointment are effective motivators, even if hope and confidence are preferable.
Many of the commenters here are proof of that. They are so used to rage and disappointment, they can't manage hope or confidence.

Anonymous paulinFL May 02, 2017 2:31 PM  

Just had the pleasure of listening to Mulvaney dispense reality to the WH reporters. No teleprompter no notes no nothing. Just plain reality that the just passed budget deal to close out the fiscal year was a fair deal and YES the wall will be built!
Winning, so much winning!
#MAGA

Blogger Lazarus May 02, 2017 2:33 PM  

Cluebat Vanexodar wrote:Budget makes me sad, but it is what it is.

Don'te be sad. :(

It is what it is because they need 60 votes in the senate to pass it so they have to buy 8 democrat votes.

As it is, Trump got more military funding, more border security funding (some of the wall included, and funding for school choice. His spokesman said these are priorities. Sanctuary city defunding can come later.

Blogger Paul R May 02, 2017 2:39 PM  

Panzer,

I totally agree with you that things are looking up whether or not Trump builds the wall and for exactly the reasons you gave. I think it's a big mistake to pin our hopes and aspirations on the actions of Trump. What we're a part of is way bigger than him. These people blackpilling because Trump are just weak. I think Vox is right on is not allowing the defeated attitude on his site. It does our side no good.

Blogger Billy Ray May 02, 2017 2:40 PM  

one of these days you alt right (actually leftist) morons will wake up and realize that the cuck hairdo with orange skin blew smoke up your butts and you fell for it

Blogger Lazarus May 02, 2017 2:52 PM  

Wrong thread, BR. The idiot troll free-for-all is the most recent post.

Blogger JP May 02, 2017 3:10 PM  

If Trump is A/B testing us, saying stuff like "hey, maybe we don't need a wall after all", our proper response is to freak the fuck out. When the Congresscritters see that, they're less likely to try to backstab purely out of fear of losing their next election.

Whether Trump has turned on us or he's doing some kind of 88D chess boxing rope-a-dope, it doesn't matter. There's no scenario where being apathetic​ about the wall & swamp leads to better outcomes for us.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 02, 2017 3:13 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Who among us is ready to pay the price that will come with real change? Volunteers?

(crickets.)

.....I'll settle for a slowing the rate of descent, and maybe a few specific favorable details. If Trump just NOT BEING CLINTON is the best we get, I can't say I'd be crushed. At least the conversation has turned a little.


I've been paying attention and voting longer than some here have been breathing. Trump is the biggest, realest change I've seen since Reagan, and I consider myself an optimist.

I'll take it until something better appears on the horizon. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm still hoping for a bumpy but manageable ride into a tolerable America 3.0 but would rather have everything go hot and kinetic sooner than later if it's going to happen. I don't want to be in my 70's when the shit starts flying. Feeling too old as it is now.



Blogger YIH May 02, 2017 3:19 PM  

@24
And we quite reasonably ask why anyone should listen to Rush Limbaugh - considering he has unequivocally supported this same Republican establishment for the last 25 + years.
He sees the 'handwriting on the wall'. On one of his podcasts Aaron Clary mentioned that Rush recently signed a new contract (actually an extension to his '08 one) with no disclosure of terms.
Clary speculates he got a pay cut. That wouldn't surprise me, Rush is starting to face what I like to call 'Johnny Carson syndrome', Like Carson in the mid 80's (and Leno 20 years later), still the 600 pound gorilla, but in spite of the ratings, advertisers are losing interest. As they put it ''the audience skews old'', advertisers hate over 50's due to 'brand loyalty' and the decline in spending in general.
Rush enjoys his status and career but he'll be 70 when this contract ends. It's quite possible he'll be cut loose at that point. He's fighting to stay relevant.

Blogger tz May 02, 2017 3:44 PM  

@114 - at least Rush now calls it "the institute for advanced anti-leftist studies", instead of cuck^h^h^honservative studies.

Anonymous Bobby Farr May 02, 2017 4:00 PM  

Leftists still control both houses of Congress. Trump needs to view Congress as the opposition rather treating them as part of his team just because they both call themselves Republicans.

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Blogger Stilicho May 02, 2017 4:34 PM  

@24 Mountain Man, Rush has been anti GOPe at least since 2008 and certainly anti RINO his entire career. Don't discount a valuable ally on the right because he's moving more in your direction now than he did previously. If you are going to do that, you might as well discard Vox while you're at it for having opinions years ago that he now considers wrong (see, e.g., free trade, Harry Potter, etc.). Save your ammo for those moving in the wrong direction (e.g. Nate buying a Glock).

Blogger Jimmy The Freak May 02, 2017 4:42 PM  

DING! DING! DING! Rush is right on this. Is Trump doing alright? Yes. Is he doing what he was elected to do? Not yet.

Blogger SteelPalm May 02, 2017 4:44 PM  

And to think that so many people, myself very much included, worried that Trump, having been a Democrat in the 90s, would be too leftist if elected.

We should have been worried about the treacherous vermin in Congress instead, starting with Paul Ryan.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 02, 2017 5:37 PM  

James Dixon, you're right. There are talented people here (and elsewhere) actually building what will become big as the change occurs. I can't see it because I'm not in that league (I absolutely refuse to use FB as it is.)

My point is that worrying about Trump's administration on this or that is the MSM's game plan. They suck us into their frame, when ignoring them and just thinking our thoughts (and bandying them about, here, at work, with family, etc.) is OUR frame.

I blame my mood on over 3" of rain the last 6 days. I need some sunshine.

F--- Google, the MSM, FB, Twitter, and every other SJW-converged, increasingly moribund organization. Enjoy your irrelevance, leftists. We're no longer going to be your slaves.

PS: Over 680 comments and counting on the next OP?! Yikes! Moderate! Moderate! Moderate!

Anonymous johnc May 02, 2017 6:38 PM  

@112 JP: That's exactly where I come from and the strategy that I think is most effective even though in many places people will call that "concern trolling" and "defeatist".

When is the appropriate time to stop screaming bloody murder at the government? The obvious answer is never. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is an understatement of an explanation of how our form of government reacts. The louder and the angrier the better. They sure don't respond to mere elections.

An analogy I would use is: if there is a small grease fire on the stove, what is the proper response? In my mind, it's to grab the fire extinguisher and put it out. But listen to some of the people here (and elsewhere), and they would say, "It's just a small fire. Relax. It'll be fine." And they will keep saying that until the entire home is burned down and then say, "Well maybe you were right; earlier intervention would have produced a better result." Yeah... nice to have you on board but it's too late now to save the house.

Look at what has happened to Cernovich in the past couple of months. His credibility has skyrocketed and his media operation is taking off. Why? Because he refuses to be a Trump cheerleader. He'll give Trump credit when it's due, and hold his feet to the fire when he messes up. The point is, he has created a personality of authenticity in his reporting, and people respond to that. They say, "Hey, this guy is looking out for us, rather than just trying to blow smoke up our cracks."

I was talking to my mother on Sunday and she mentioned out of the blue, "You know... maybe we don't need a wall since illegal crossings are down so much." Uh huh. Now she watches a lot of teevee so I know damn well that's where she got that idea. And that means there's a coordinated effort out there to float that idea and gauge the response. So what is our response going to be? Are we going to keep silent?

Open question to anybody:

One of the big stories being talked about everywhere is the Colbert comments. Why? Why were these comments made? What was the point? What is the intended result? Do you see it? Are you watching carefully?

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 02, 2017 6:43 PM  

Trump is a veteran provocateur. When he says "I will build a wall" he doesn't say that just to get a wall built. He wants to see who is going to stop him and how. He learns from what happens, unlike the Dems. He reminds me of Nero Wolfe. Rex Stout was quite intelligent.

Anonymous BluePony May 02, 2017 7:06 PM  

"Sounds like their intentions are good, but I'm not so sure about the target. Replacement legislators are a dime a dozen. How about Hollywood?"

No, I'm within the fallout pattern.

Besides, the heart of the beast is Sacramento. Hollywood is just its... i dunno... tail? Phallus? Spleen?

Blogger JWM in SD May 02, 2017 7:10 PM  

Napolean is right (see his plan below). Obama and Hitlery need to be...legally...neutralized to send the appropriate message. Then the DNC machine and the MSM. Otherwise, IT WILL NOT STOP. The leftist plan, within 24 hours post election, was to obstruct, threaten, undermine and then impeach. That's what they are doing and IT WILL NOT STOP unless we stop it.

"My counsel to Trump would be:

1. Press hard for a two-year set of authorization and appropriation bills. Congress can't get those done on an annual basis, which leads directly to the whole wretched business of omnibus spending bills to paper things over. And it's those omnibus spending bills that get loaded with pork. It's why the Confederate Constitution prohibited them.

2. Dismiss all Obama holdovers. Now. Promote career Civil Service people as temporary fills, but get the stay-behind saboteurs out.

3. Accept that you'll have to primary at least two dozen Republi-cowards to put spine in the rest. Do it.

4. Get criminal investigations going against EVERY Democrat in Congress. Dems and corruption go together, you'll turn up enough to put a few dozen in jail. Make the arrests in time for critical votes.

5. Prosecute Obama and Hillary to the fullest extent of the law. No mercy...not for what they've done.

6. Declare "sanctuary cities" in rebellion. Impose martial law, hold summary courts-martial. Keep in mind that the critical event in the race rights struggle was not a court decision, but the decision by President Eisnhower to use military force. The mailed fist of the United States gets people's attention. The courts may argue...which is itself an act of rebellion, to be suppressed by force of arms.

7. Expect a long, hot, messy summer. Lots of Leftist rioting. Let the locals try the conciliatory approach (which will fail)...then restore order with the generous use of force. It may be prudent to do this before implementing Point 6.

8. Keep smacking the Propaganda Press around. Hard. Kick the liars out of the White House Briefing Room. Pull broadcast licenses. This is the Leftist center of political gravity...destroy it."

Blogger Buybuydandavis May 02, 2017 7:26 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:I keep saying, "A shutdown hands power to the executive." Trump should be saying, "Don't throw me in that briar patch!"

This.

Why isn't a government shutdown an *opportunity*?

90% of the government rolls on unperturbed regardless of any "shutdown". But a shutdown seems like a great opportunity to take a stick to the Apparatchik State. Unpaid leave, definitely. Reset priorities. Shut down certain functions.

It's carte blanche to massacre the Apparatchik State. Works for me.

And if they keep it going long enough, and we all survive, it's easier to argue all those functions aren't really necessary.

Anonymous Hoss May 02, 2017 9:39 PM  

It might be low risk at triage, but I would feel so much better if the Pres would send Ivanka and Jared back to Manhattan, for good.

Really, pooping on Rush? For years Rush has been trying to tell people American politics is asymmetric warfare: leftists have been fighting a guerilla war as the plodding, bumbling Republicans insist on conventional (without the superior numbers). The right is going to have to learn how to get vicious and proud, and I just don't see it.

Anonymous Avalanche May 02, 2017 10:13 PM  

@105 "Vox might very well end up President."

Don't WANT him as President. WANT him as Dark Lord in charge of this country (the world?!) -- with his minions doing as he directs (under martial law) so that all we NEED to get done DOES get done. But, I think it would be uncomfortable for him and his family, so I shall have to rely on working to enlist more popular support for the God Emperor, and making more Alt Rightists, so the God Emperor can get done what needs doing.

Anonymous Avalanche May 02, 2017 10:16 PM  

@112 "here's no scenario where being apathetic​ about the wall & swamp leads to better outcomes for us."

So, every public rally Trump does, we need to go and chant "Build the Wall!" Make sure he (and the filthy Left) HEARS us!

Anonymous Mister M May 02, 2017 10:24 PM  

It isn't over, and they should build a statue of DJT right in the middle of the Mall in DC simply because he has permanently destroyed the MSM, mocked political correctness, and awakened the alt-right. He could resign tomorrow and he'd have had a positive impact.

Blogger Doom May 02, 2017 10:48 PM  

He asks that now? I told reasonable people to stop voting, unreasonable to vote Trump, I don't care about the rest. Trump was just the best option, if not to be trusted... but so it goes with unreasonable people. Don't give them your vote.

Had people laugh. I just laughed back, and reminded them that voting is required by law... in Cuba, China, North Korea, and many other places. Asked them if they understood the point. No. Unreasonable. Anyway... yeah. Okay.

Our government has failed. It seems that Trump is just another. I'm not sure he will get the wall up. Perhaps he should try martial law? Then again, I'm... not sure which side he is on, or how much power he really has, etc.

Time will tell.

Blogger Buybuydandavis May 02, 2017 11:05 PM  

Hoss wrote:It might be low risk at triage, but I would feel so much better if the Pres would send Ivanka and Jared back to Manhattan, for good.


To be replaced by whom? Inevitably, one of the swamp creatures.

Any Trump loyalist who leaves is a net loss.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 03, 2017 12:01 AM  

@hohnc
You are not seeing a small grease fire on the stove and grabbing the fire extinguisher. You are seeing crepes Suzette in the dining room and evacuating the house. And demanding we knock down the house and move to Florida. And plotting t5o assassinate the governor.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 03, 2017 12:54 AM  

I guarantee that if that happened, I'd advance my holiday schedule, take some time off, and go hike the Teton Crest Trail without worrying about getting permits from offices that are closed. It'd be the best summer I've had in a while.

That's what I did last shut down. Not Teton though. Olympic. Not officious Ranger Ricks sauntering into camp, unable to even properly pronounce the word "hammock" let alone understand how to set one up.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 03, 2017 1:01 AM  

@84

"Who among us is ready to pay the price that will come with real change? "

I've ALREADY paid the price of the changes that put us where we are at.

At this point, I have nothing to lose, and everything to gain from breaking out pitchfork, torch, and rifle.

Blogger Jose May 03, 2017 1:26 AM  

Professional politicians (at least their data crunchers) aren't dumb. A quick perusal of the actual vote counts show that Pres. Trump got approximately the same votes as Willard did in 2012; the victory came from Mrs. Clinton losing significant numbers of votes compared to Pres. Obama in 2012.

From the viewpoint of professional politicians, this was much more of an own goal by the Democrats than a good showing by the Republicans, and it's good strategy to hedge against a better Democrat candidate in 2020. After all, they're political animals (I believe of the genus Cerastes).

If The Greatest Football Team Ever, The Five-Time SuperBowl Champions New England Patriots, were playing a team of Andrea Dworkin clones and kept scoring own touchdowns, that wouldn't imply that The Most Shameful Team Ever, The San Francisco Sixty- I mean Forty-Niners, should adopt the Dworkettes strategy of sitting around on their 40-yard-line discussing the phallic significance of the shoulder pads.

So, expect creative inertia and intense immobility.

Blogger Rez Zircon May 04, 2017 1:01 AM  

If y'all actually want to speak from firsthand info about that wall, the budget, and all the other crap that's being wailed about as fails by the usual 3rdhanders, y'all need to watch yesterday's WH press beating, in which Director Mulvaney lays out the facts and rips 'em a new one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kwsSq_gs4

Today's wasn't bad either... Sean was layin' for 'em, and came way more prepared about that wall thing than the press ever will be.

Press: But that's not a wall, it's just a fence!
WH: We don't care what you call it, it's still 20 feet high and keeps the riffraff out.

(BTW a similar construction along 43 miles of San Diego County has resulted in a 90% drop in cross-border crime.)

Blogger Cail Corishev May 04, 2017 8:13 AM  

It'll be a Wall that has something for everyone. It'll stop illegals and trafficking (the important part); but the sperges and NeverTrumpers will be able to say, "See, we told you so! It's not a wall, it's a fence, he broke his promise!" Everyone will be happy.

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