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Monday, May 29, 2017

The war on frats

The Zman makes an important observation concerning how SJWs arrange to put themselves in authority over others, usually with the help of foolish moderates:
The war on fraternities is also a good study of how the Left operates to undermine traditional institutions. It used to be that frats were self-funded, independent organizations. In many cases, they operated off campus to avoid trouble with college authorities. Those Penn State frats, for example, are off-campus in privately owned houses. This arms-length relationship started to end when colleges “offered” to help the frats collect dues and enforce their rules. Fraternity payments became a part of the tuition bill.

What was pitched as a goodwill gesture to help fraternities, quickly turned into a beachhead for Progressive nutters to impose their rules. The Prog mind always seeks to first gain entry into the organization. From there, they begin to agitate for changes that open the door for their coreligionists. In the case of fraternities, they imposed rules on how the frats select members and maintain discipline. Colleges are now beginning the process of forcing fraternities to admit women, thus eliminating their reason to exist.

There are two lessons to be drawn from the jihad against white men on campus. One is that there can never be any negotiating with the Progs. A negotiation means both sides seek a resolution, but Progs seek only one end and that is your death, even if it means their death. Whatever American Progressivism was in the past, it is now a nihilistic death cult. The Progs sitting down with the campus frats to work out rules, do so with a singular goal and that is the elimination of white males from the college campus.

The other thing is Progs enjoy their own hypocrisy. They relish it, so pointing it out to them has the opposite effect from what is intended. The defenders of Greek life point out that male sportsballers tend to go rapey on campus, yet no one is trying to shut down the football team. Progs find this energizing. It means they are in control and therefore can arbitrarily enforce the rules. Appeals to administrative consistency are blood in the water for the Progs.
Always, always, always be extremely suspicious of those who are eager to help you somehow. We're very careful with our volunteers, and wary of giving them too much responsibility too soon, for precisely this reason.

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Anonymous Jeff May 29, 2017 12:17 PM  

Are you PC, bro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXF8MIG_HQI

Anonymous BBGKB May 29, 2017 12:24 PM  

The frat attacked by the Rolling Stoned rape hoax asked for its fines back and to go back to the old rules, guess what happened.

A negotiation means both sides seek a resolution

Can Sam the Man explain again how you can always reniggotiate after a resolution?

Blogger The Remnant May 29, 2017 12:32 PM  

I remember dealing with creeping PC when I was in a fraternity back in the '90s. I'm just glad I completed my education before things went utterly insane on college campuses.

Anonymous Nick May 29, 2017 12:35 PM  

I was an adviser to my fraternity (Sigma Chi) for five years after graduation. Fraternities are the only organizations on university campuses that promote masculinity and some semblance of right-leaning attitudes and values, they are a prime target for the progs. Whatever these leftists are scheming to do it wouldn't be possible without the cooperation of the national leadership, which like the GOP tends to be way to the left of their membership. I saw some indication of this in gay pride and feminist-type stuff being promoted in the national magazine. I think the idea that "any organization that isn't explicitly conservative [or on the right] will become liberal over time" rings true here. God forbid they find out that many of the founders and members of fraternities fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War and were proud of it.

Theres a saying that goes "you wouldn't call your country a 'cunt' so don't call your fraternity a 'frat' " :)

Blogger Matthew May 29, 2017 12:39 PM  

Compost Entryists.

Blogger VD May 29, 2017 1:04 PM  

Theres a saying that goes "you wouldn't call your country a 'cunt' so don't call your fraternity a 'frat' "

To which my response always was, "it's not my fraternity."

Blogger Duke Norfolk May 29, 2017 1:12 PM  

Yes, indeed. I would think that fraternities must be very near the top of the Progs priority list for destruction. I'm kind of surprised they haven't fully succeeded yet. But they have so many things to destroy...

Blogger Koanic May 29, 2017 1:13 PM  

The elimination of loyalty among masculine, tribal men for American universities bothers me... not at all.

Blogger praetorian May 29, 2017 1:13 PM  

The other thing is Progs enjoy their own hypocrisy.

This still deeply confuses me. It's true by observation, but pointing out potential hypocrisy or inconsistencies in my arguments always stops me dead in my tracks to consider if I'm wrong or if there is something different about the offered situation. This is a terrible habit in rhetorical situations.

That other people would draw energy from the pure implied power structure of the situation never occurred to me until Zman wrote it out.

Area man who though the hated leftists as much as was physically possible for himself discovers one last bit of hate he wasn't even aware he had.

Blogger Sheila4g May 29, 2017 1:16 PM  

OT: Tangentially related to "Progs find this energizing. It means they are in control and therefore can arbitrarily enforce the rules. Appeals to administrative consistency are blood in the water for the Progs."


Antifa apparently plans a demonstration/protest on 10 June in Houston, to demand removal of the Sam Houston statue because he was a slave owner, although opposed to the Confederacy. This is national antifa, not the local Houston branch. A group called "The Patriarchy" is going to counter their protest and is asking all like-minded to join them, and requests that all come open carry. My husband and older son are looking into going, and at least per what my son has seen online, hundreds are already expected. Just a heads up to anyone here who might be interested.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 29, 2017 1:17 PM  

Nothing about "higher ed" still serves its original purpose. Universities are naught but bureaucracies that serve only the interests of the bureaucrats.

As when my kids attended the University, the point is to treat it like a business decision. Fraternities have zero to do with that unless one expects to generate long range professional contacts (which is rare in undergraduate settings.)

My experience with fraternity in college almost 40 years ago was uniformly disastrous, one of the worst times of my life.

The entire edifice will collapse with the end of the credit bubble, and good riddance.

Anonymous JD Curtis May 29, 2017 1:40 PM  

My experience with fraternity in college almost 40 years ago was uniformly disastrous, one of the worst times of my life

I doubt I would have finished college had I not joined a fraternity. I was aloof, young and stupid and the group caused me to become more focused and provided a sense of community to me at an important time early on in my undergraduate studies. The bonds I made during that time have lasted many years ands I still keep in touch with many of them. I know not all outcomes in dealings with fraternities are positive, I can think of a few over the years concerning others and my fraternity, and I'm truly sorry it didn't work out for you.

Anonymous Battlefrog May 29, 2017 1:47 PM  

The fact that these frats couldn't see this coming from mile away makes me think they probably don't deserve to survive.

I feel like SJWs are in a very exploitable moment in history. Much like when the shitty Roman navy could get away with dropping bridges to enemy ships in order to fight land battles at sea. The SJWs days of shooting fish in a barrel are going to come to an end soon. I'm just surprised SJWs Always Lie is still the only organized work I know of dealing with the issue.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 29, 2017 1:57 PM  

The other thing is Progs enjoy their own hypocrisy.

This is 100% true. If you ever want to see a Cheshire cat grin, point out an SJW's hypocrisy and pretend you approve of it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 29, 2017 1:59 PM  

Always, always, always be extremely suspicious of those who are eager to help you somehow. We're very careful with our volunteers, and wary of giving them too much responsibility too soon, for precisely this reason.

Accepting help of any kind means taking a position of weakness. This is a very general principle that explains, among other things, why slave races demographically replace their masters.

Blogger OGRE May 29, 2017 2:07 PM  

I'm from the government and I'm here to help...

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 29, 2017 2:10 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:The entire edifice will collapse with the end of the credit bubble, and good riddance.

"Credit bubble" is a meaningless term. The education bubble will eventually collapse, but don't hold your breath. Healthcare might even go sooner.

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis May 29, 2017 2:11 PM  

Probably sooner rather than later with the permanent bans. Also male sports teams...including football. Seems unlikely due to the revenue stream, but the rest of the university hates the sports stuff. They can also use the excuse of muh concussions as a cover.

I think it'll accelerate because as of right now the only thing these goons control is the universities. They've been shut out of the government thanks to Trump (bureaucracy and courts aside). Their rage at not having the bully pulpit of the WH to drive their insane two minutes of hate campaigns means they'll turn inward and purify the campuses. It's the only thing they can do for at least the next four years.

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 29, 2017 2:16 PM  

One more reason to break the right of its reverence of authority. No right wing org should allow itself to become institutionalized. Accept no money or aid. Once you do, you be come part of the system and subject to it.

Greek orgs should disentangle themselves from university admins and conduct their operations independently.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 29, 2017 2:16 PM  

Thanks for the heads up, Sheila.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2017 2:19 PM  

I'm surprised they haven't forced fraternities to be 50% female already. What are they waiting for? Too useful for "rape culture" arguments?

By the way, about enjoying their own hypocrisy, one fact I've always found amusing is that we all know why college campuses are known as centers of rape culture. I mean, aside from the booze, inexperience, and poor generally poor impulse control. They don't dare admit it's because that's where the attractive young women are. Rape having some biological basis is something progs are genuinely afraid to talk about. If rape is not about power instead of sex, as they mindlessly repeat, and doesn't have environmental causes, well! We might as well warm up the ovens, because Social Darwinism.

They don't relish having to hide such things. I think they live in fear of anyone Noticing. But that's a soft spot.

On the other hand, Noticing they're unfair to frat boys? Who cares about that? Unfairness is their right. Because history of oppression, or whatever.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2017 2:27 PM  

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Blogger tublecane May 29, 2017 2:32 PM  

@9-"pointing out potential hypocrisy or inconsistencies in my arguments always stops me dead in my tracks to consider if I'm wrong"

Stop right there. Progs aren't wrong; they're right. If you have to lie, even to yourself, in the service rightness, who cares?

Actually, lying is proof of your commitment to the good cause. Why would you NOT lie? What are you, a coward?

Anonymous Who Dat May 29, 2017 2:36 PM  

As Vox has pointed out time and again accepting volunteer help opens the door to infiltration.
Seek other ways to help your allies. Join the Burn Unit. Build your own platform. Enlighten those around you. Do something that is not dependant on others. Put yourself in a position where other people want to help you.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 29, 2017 2:54 PM  

@tublecane

The rape numbers in colleges correspond with the amount of "cultural enrichment".

Big football schools like Alabama or UT have far worse amounts of rape.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable May 29, 2017 3:09 PM  

Koanic wrote:The elimination of loyalty among masculine, tribal men for American universities bothers me... not at all.

Heh. Just one step closer to eliminating government support.

praetorian wrote:The other thing is Progs enjoy their own hypocrisy.

This still deeply confuses me.


Theodore Dalrymple:

“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

Blogger HanSolo May 29, 2017 3:14 PM  

OT
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/29/study-ethnic-diversity-bad-sweden/

New research ... backs up evidence from previous studies that ethnic diversity is bad for social cohesion.

U.S. researchers who in 2013 showed homogeneous or highly segregated neighbourhoods are almost always more cohesive than those which are diverse, reported that diversity prevents “the formation of dense interpersonal networks that are necessary to promote sense of community”.

Similarly, 2014 research from Australia found diversity had a negative impact on social cohesion and caused residents to “hunker down”, avoiding engagement with the community.

Researchers said their work supports the theory of Robert Putnam, whose U.S. study yielded similar results, that ethnic diversity erodes trust.

And a 2014 study by the University of North Carolina which examined regions across Europe, found that “an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust”

Anonymous James Parliament May 29, 2017 3:24 PM  

In a fine excerpt, that was definitely my takeaway. Somehow it finally clicked.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2017 3:28 PM  

@24-Noticing vibrant rape is even more "problematic," of course. One of the reasons they hold the line at allowing no biological motive (much less cause) of improper sexual conduct (as in, "rape is about power, not sex) is that to them admitting we're not Blank Slates is on the slippery slope toward Auschwitz.

Blogger Superior hominid May 29, 2017 3:37 PM  

So if I throw a Molotov Cocktail through your window you won't call the Sheriff or utilize your insurance policy? Because both those mean your asking for help.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 29, 2017 3:44 PM  

Zman really nailed it about leftist hypocrisy. They revel in control, the more arbitrary the better.

Ever try to argue with a leftist? You can never pin them down with their own lack of intellectual consistency. The reason? Their cognition is subjective, while you are arguing from an objective stance. They jump around and never recognize their own inconsistency and hypocrisy. You stand there frustrated wondering how on God's green earth a thing like a prog/leftist can even exist.

Blogger Doug Cranmer May 29, 2017 3:47 PM  

"Always, always, always be extremely suspicious of those who are eager to help you somehow."

I saw this process in the late 90s and early 2000s telecommunications field with Chinese engineers. Why were so many of them so keen on coming to a small country? My they're so eager and helpful. My they sure like to know everything. And look at the few going into management. It's almost like they were trained for it. And with a Ph.D. Aren't we lucky.

Blogger Doug Cranmer May 29, 2017 3:48 PM  

Hey. Where'd my company go?

Anonymous JAG May 29, 2017 4:10 PM  

This also reveals the motives of the left getting angry with donations to converged charities by badthinkers. It's SJW Law #3 in action again. They gain entry by simple things such as donations, and other supposed "help". It's the camel's nose in the tent method, and they do not want it used against them.

Anonymous Icicle May 29, 2017 4:17 PM  

https://i.imgflip.com/1pxc6q.jpg

My conundrum about this in a meme. Which button?

Anonymous JAG May 29, 2017 4:18 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:Zman really nailed it about leftist hypocrisy. They revel in control, the more arbitrary the better.

Ever try to argue with a leftist? You can never pin them down with their own lack of intellectual consistency. The reason? Their cognition is subjective, while you are arguing from an objective stance. They jump around and never recognize their own inconsistency and hypocrisy. You stand there frustrated wondering how on God's green earth a thing like a prog/leftist can even exist.


You can pin them down where the only choice they have left is to act completely stupid. They would rather embarrass themselves in front of the crowd than simply admit they are wrong.

For example, when the left was getting off on the court ordered murder of Terri Schiavo, we were treated to all kinds of nonsense about how starving to death was euphoric, and a great way to die (be murdered). I simply asked when it was that the Donner Party experienced this euphoria. Was it before, or after they became so desperate to live that they resorted cannibalism?

I was banned from DU merely for asking this, and on cuck sites like Hannity's forum the best the libs could do was accuse me of advocating for the cannibalizing of Terri. It was tacit admission that they were being the sub-human monsters that I already knew them to be.

Blogger tz May 29, 2017 4:41 PM  

Can we have SJWs converge Skull and Bones and the other Masons?
And the Bilderbergers and Davos while we're at it?

But the error is that Colleges and Universities are dying, starting with miserable Missouri. They are converged and rely on exploiting debt slavery.

Anonymous Young Ned of the Hill May 29, 2017 5:00 PM  

It's TX Antifa, only Houston BLM specifically denied association. And the group organizing the counter-crowd is This Is Texas. The Patriarchy simply gave them a signal boost.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 29, 2017 5:12 PM  

Superior hominid wrote:So if I throw a Molotov Cocktail through your window you won't call the Sheriff or utilize your insurance policy? Because both those mean your asking for help.

I am a super saiyan with a power level in the jizzilions, so I have no need of help from anyone. Kids these days are so weak they need to be born and raised by parents. I was born in a gasoline fire and I was thankful for the heat, dammit!

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2017 5:31 PM  

@29-I would be suspicious of cops or insurance salesman coming up to me and begging me to let them help me. They try to sell me things or possibly ask if I need help should they happen to see me. But those professions aren't generally full of volunteerist busybodies.

I don't know how many cops got into that line of work to help people. To paraphrase the Departed, a lot of them join up to put guy's heads through plate glass windows.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 29, 2017 5:39 PM  

My experience with fraternity in college almost 40 years ago was uniformly disastrous, one of the worst times of my life.

@11 dc.sunsets
Frats are appropriate for some men but not others. Alphas, Betas, and Deltas do well. Gammas I suppose if they're hazed enough. Omegas would be miserable. Sigmas would be bored out of their wits.

I can understand frats and their purpose, and have no problem with them, but they're definitely not for me.

Can we have SJWs converge Skull and Bones and the other Masons?
And the Bilderbergers and Davos while we're at it?


@36 tz
Already happening. In the U.S., membership in the Freemasons is only about a quarter what it was in the 1960s, mainly elderly, and rapidly declining. Other secret societies are in a similar situation. It's only consistent with their promoting dyscivilizational phenomena which have finally driven out all the masculine white men -- which ironically enough, may be just the medicine that ends up killing progtardery.

Blogger dienw May 29, 2017 5:50 PM  

Accepting help of any kind means taking a position of weakness.

Discernment is always necessary. Yet, the inability to accept grace - to allow another to be gracious - is a moral failing.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 29, 2017 6:26 PM  

As for Penn State, the irony here is the fraternity that was recently shuttered was one of only 3-4 that still remained on campus. Granted, the rest of the IFC houses that consist the makeup of Fraternity Row in State College borough (among other pockets on the east side of the municipality), but there's still a lot of influence from that segment of the student body...

Or that was until the current administration shortened the proverbial leash on the entire IFC/PHC apparatus.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 29, 2017 6:45 PM  

The rape numbers in colleges correspond with the amount of "cultural enrichment".

Big football schools like Alabama or UT have far worse amounts of rape.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/07/these-colleges-have-the-most-reports-of-rape/?utm_term=.46b80efe51ad

A Post analysis of the federal data found these 10 schools had the highest total of rape reports on their main campuses in 2014:

Brown: 43
U-Conn.: 43
Dartmouth College: 42
Wesleyan University: 37
University of Virginia: 35
Harvard: 33
University of North Carolina at Charlotte: 32
Rutgers-New Brunswick: 32
University of Vermont: 27
Stanford: 26

Another way of looking at the data is to analyze rape report totals in the context of the size of enrollment. The Post analysis found these 10 schools had the highest total of reports of rape on their main campuses per 1,000 students:

Reed College: 12.9 (reports per 1,000)
Wesleyan: 11.5
Swarthmore College: 11.0
Knox College: 10.0
Williams College: 8.9
Pomona College: 8.5
Bowdoin College: 8.3
Gallaudet University: 8.1
Beloit College: 6.9
Dartmouth: 6.7

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 29, 2017 6:48 PM  

For the record, these rapes per 1000 schools for bama and UT(s)

Bama 0.4
Tennessee 0.3
Texas 0.3

Blogger tz May 29, 2017 6:56 PM  

Forget fratricide, Baylor's football team may make the 1/5 women reported raped on campus credible.

Is there a word for miscegarape?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 29, 2017 7:24 PM  

JD Curtis, it was early in my 2nd year (at the frat) that I learned I could trust myself to own firearms, given that I had access and a level of incitement that would definitely have gotten people killed, had I not had sufficient impulse control.

To this day there are "brothers" who are alive ONLY because it was and remains against the law to kill them. I had more than sufficient moral cause to end them.

Despite my alma mater being 80% Greek, the frat from which I deactivated went belly-up a few years after I graduated. It was that bad.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 29, 2017 7:29 PM  

Aeoli, I believe "credit bubble" is very meaningful. It is what underpins the medical(/insurance) bubble, the higher ed bubble, the 4dr pickup truck bubble, the Refugee Resettlement bubble, the NGO Welfare Administration bubble and every other ridiculously unsustainable bubble we see surrounding us.

All of it will end basically together.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 29, 2017 7:35 PM  

7634, Frats are appropriate for some men but not others. Alphas, Betas, and Deltas do well. Gammas I suppose if they're hazed enough.

Bull. Frats work great for the masses. A's, B's, D's, etc are always descriptors of mass minded individuals.

Members of the Remnant operate in an entirely different plane, and there's no translation available.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) May 29, 2017 8:15 PM  

9. praetorian May 29, 2017 1:13 PM
but pointing out potential hypocrisy or inconsistencies in my arguments always stops me dead in my tracks to consider if I'm wrong or if there is something different about the offered situation.



because you're not a Narcissist or other Cluster B type.

you're actually trying to analyze the accusation for truth value and, if false, ways to refute it.

that was never it's purpose. it's purpose was to freeze you and put you on the defensive. and it worked.

you all *really* need to get it through your heads that you are meeting people like this constantly, every day, unless you're living the Ted Kozinski life.



29. Superior hominid May 29, 2017 3:37 PM
Because both those mean your asking for help.



you're asking for help ... from a dictionary.

Anonymous LS May 29, 2017 8:56 PM  

https://i.imgflip.com/1pxc6q.jpg

My conundrum about this in a meme. Which button?


Progressives like to say, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
I prefer this quote from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes":

"Mr. Taylor, Mr. Brent, we are a peaceful people. We don't kill our enemies. We get our enemies to kill each other."

Anonymous Causal Lurker May 29, 2017 9:16 PM  

Long-time Penn State fraternity alumni volunteer here (30+ years). Part 1.

About 10-12 years ago, Penn State Greek Life tried their Chapter of Excellence program with all those "benefits" attached. Greek Life couldn't explain what the benefits were, and would not collect bills without signing over your immortal soul. Many of the housed chapters basically declined all. Their award application criteria were set up to find fault. Told the undergraduate leadership that since the SJWs on staff were pointing and shrieking, ignore them. We has a real, quantified award though our national organization, we basically blew it off. More so, if their were able to satisfy their high functioning (many proto- Alt-Right) alumni about quality and operations, OK.

Last fall they were hit with a bogus alcohol violation and "advised" to plead guilty to IFC. They fought back and won, using nearly every step in the SJW survival guide by instinct. The one piece held in abeyance was the female student life staffer who wanted punishment before verdict. We have names: her, her supervisor, and the published minutes including her outburst. I got the chapter a couple copies of SJWs Always Lie, and will order a bunch more

Anonymous Causal Lurker May 29, 2017 9:45 PM  

Part 2: Regarding Beta

First point - the DA who filed the charges lost the Democratic primary election. Somewhere beyond humiliating loss. Republicans re-registered to get rid of her. The Dems didn't want her, lots of nasty background about with her, her husband, and University. Her SJW ilk also forgot - the Greek students and their friends made it a point to register locally and vote her out. The Republican write-in votes? Her opponent.

Second point - for 40+ years, all other fraternities at PSU were heartily sick of being lectured to be more like Beta. Really? No one except Beta wanted to be a poser, but they covered very well. They were cleared out about 10-12 years ago for substance abuse and hazing. An alum rebuilt their chapter house and refurnished out of his own pocket. They brought back more of the same, trashed the place. Same alum paid out of his pocket to refurbish, and they agreed to a program name like Men of Distinction, with a zero-defects policy. Brought in more of the same. The student died because a zero-defects requirement meant that no one could admit to any one of the defects (underage alcohol, hazing, lack of control) and call in time to save the kid's life!

Third point - one problem our undergraduates from all chapters identified: the sororities and "Girls Gone Wild" behavior. Theft, starting fights, contaminating food, alcohol incidents and bad behavior. We need the sons of Boreas to drive off the Harpies.

Fourth point - a lot of the undergraduates are tending alt-right, even if the don't know it. Many of their advisors think that way. We have an alumni group incorporated, and are working with the undergraduate IFC to fight back and fend off the "help." One of the ways we can help is by using the LFAA's 501(c)(3) element to funnel donations to PSU - on our terms, and only for what the alumni consider worthy tasks and goals. We're sick of the malign neglect and being exploited for donations.

It's changing, but we need some time and sea room to effect the rest of the changes we need, to include de-emphasis of alcohol and increase the amount of Christian influence inherent in our founding principles.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs May 29, 2017 9:52 PM  

@2: simple (not necessarily cheap) solution: move off campus, collect your own dues, and tell the uni to get stuffed.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 29, 2017 10:08 PM  

@Josh

"Reported Rape"

Can't believe you used Reported Rape as an actual retort.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs May 29, 2017 10:08 PM  

@41: A while ago I concluded that there is a corollary to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you": you need to be willing to gracefully allow others to help you. At least for me, that's hard as I like to be able to meet my own needs. Maybe others are less stupid than I.

Anonymous RedJack May 29, 2017 10:15 PM  

I was in a fraternity when I was in school. In many ways it was a foundational experience, but not one most would agree with.

When they tried to haze us (my class), we walked out one night, came back with a letter breaking down that if we left, they would not be able to make the mortgage. We wanted all the semi homo stuff to end right then. Many super seniors (who didn't pay house bills) got very angry. The president looked at the books (which he hardly ever did) and realized we were right.

We turned that house around. However I was never a "Frat" boy. My ethics and morals were such that I would not do some of the stuff they would, and my major was such I could not afford to drink like they did.

Made some life long friends, learned a lot, was the first and only non activated member to hold an executive position, and it taught me the art of negotiation.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 29, 2017 11:18 PM  

It's stuff like this that makes me happy that my particular fraternal organization's chapter is not a member of Penn State's IFC. Granted, they're converged both at the chapter and national levels, but there's something to be said for failing two votes in 15 years to join.

Blogger Feather Blade May 30, 2017 4:33 PM  

Superior hominid wrote:So if I throw a Molotov Cocktail through your window you won't call the Sheriff or utilize your insurance policy? Because both those mean your asking for help.

Pff. In a civilized land, the homeowner would shoot you, then call the Sheriff for corpse pickup.

Anonymous Ages May 30, 2017 8:12 PM  

This is terrible, but you can't deny that frats are cesspools of degeneracy.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 30, 2017 11:02 PM  

"This is terrible, but you can't deny that frats are cesspools of degeneracy."

I submit that no frat on Earth has "that gaggle of feminists who run the back office" beat. Easdrop on their private lunch talks sometime and you will realize depths of degeneracy which are nearly unfathomable.

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