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Wednesday, May 10, 2017

There goes the Israeli-Turkish alliance

I wonder if the (((media))) will lose its enthusiasm for importing Turks now that Israel is also a destination:
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on Muslims around the world to visit Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem to protect the site's Islamic identity. The Turkish leader also took the opportunity to heap scorn on Israel, likening the country's policies to South Africa's Apartheid era. Speaking in Istanbul at a charity conference discussing Palestinian economic development, Erdogan lashed out at Israel regarding its settlement plans in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

"We, as Muslims, should be visiting Al-Quds more often," Erdogan said, using the Arabic name for Jerusalem. "Each day that Jerusalem is under occupation is an insult to us."

As many as 26,000 Turks visited the Temple Mount, or Noble Sanctuary, in 2016. However, Erdogan emphasised "hundreds of thousands" should be visiting the site, which is considered holy by Muslims. "[It] would be the greatest support to our brothers there," he said.

"Al-Quds is holy for all three divine religions. It is the heart and summary of all human history.

"Both in terms of our religion and historical responsibility, Al-Quds and the fight of our Palestinian brothers for rights and justice is of great importance to us. We will keep making efforts for Quds to turn into a city of peace."

Erdogan also said that permanent peace in the region would only be possible with a "fair solution to the Palestinian issue".

"What's the difference between the present acts of the Israeli administration and the racist and discriminatory politics that were practised against black people in the past in America – and up until a short time ago in South Africa."<

"Here is the only solution. The establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of 1967," said Erdogan, according to Anadolu.
It would appear the next Hitler has identified himself.  Which is somewhat of a relief, as I was beginning to think the world might be running out of Hitlers. And we can't have that.

I've long wondered what would happen if Israel were to go to war with NATO ally Turkey, with whom, unlike Israel, the USA actually has a treaty obliging mutual defense. I assume the US would simply ignore any obligations, but doing so would have some pretty serious long-term ramifications.

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77 Comments:

Blogger tz May 10, 2017 12:39 PM  

The Turks know how to do genocide right.

Anonymous FP May 10, 2017 12:39 PM  

"Each day that Jerusalem is under occupation is an insult to us."

Each day Constantinople is under occupation is an insult to us.

Blogger Robert What? May 10, 2017 12:41 PM  

The Israelis are now thinking: "Wait, that isn't the way it's supposed to work! They're supposed to head to Europe, not Israel! That's why we helped create ISIS."

Anonymous BBGKB May 10, 2017 12:44 PM  

The Turks know how to do genocide right.

They like China's Moa had (((help)))

Blogger Robert What? May 10, 2017 12:44 PM  

@FP - amen.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 10, 2017 12:48 PM  

Next year in Constantinople

Blogger Ingot9455 May 10, 2017 12:48 PM  

The US could satisfy their NATO obligation to Turkey by sending a military advisor. He stands in a room and advises, "Israel has nuclear weapons, so you shouldn't attack their land. Attack through deniable terrorist third parties instead," over and over.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 10, 2017 12:50 PM  

NATO obligations would only apply if Israel attacked Turkey. But even then I doubt the US would attack Israel.

Anonymous Mark Auld May 10, 2017 12:51 PM  

I smell a cluster f**k of Biblical proportions brewing, and led by the Turks...who da thunk it?

Blogger Antony May 10, 2017 12:51 PM  

I understand that USA has a defence pact to protect Israel - though I can not see how this benefits the USA.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J May 10, 2017 12:57 PM  

Amen!

Blogger Midnight Avenue J May 10, 2017 1:00 PM  

"Running out of Hitlers" I legit laughed, needed that while my head pounds away. Infernal migraines, my bane.

Surely this will turn some people around on the matter of Turkey? No? Too far from us to be a threat?

Crickets.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 10, 2017 1:01 PM  

Yes, visit the Mosque in Jerusalem, and then why not stay??

Open borders for Israel.

Can't just keep the holy land for yourself. There's lots of Eritreans and Nigerians who could really benefit!!

Blogger tuberman May 10, 2017 1:06 PM  

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Blogger tuberman May 10, 2017 1:08 PM  

6.

"Next year in Constantinople"

Me like!
They have to go back, all the way back to before the first Jihad.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti May 10, 2017 1:08 PM  

Second post best post

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2017 1:11 PM  

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Blogger Resident Moron™ May 10, 2017 1:14 PM  

"I've long wondered what would happen if Israel were to go to war with NATO ally Turkey, with whom, unlike Israel, the USA actually has a treaty obliging mutual defense."

It might be our best prospect for blockading the Turkish gateway into Europe.

Isn't it about time Israel did something actually beneficial for her allies?

Blogger SouthRon May 10, 2017 1:15 PM  

@Antony

The only thing I saw in a quick review of the Jewish Virtual Library's Formal Agreements between US & Israel" was the old Memorandum of Agreement Concerning Ballistic Missile Threats:

The United States Government would view with particular gravity direct threats to Israel's security arising from the regional deployment of ballistic missiles of intermediate range or greater. In the event of such a threat, the United States Government would consult promptly with the Government of Israel with respect to what support, diplomatic or otherwise, or assistance, it can lend to Israel..

This is repeated in the later Memorandum of Agreement on Security Cooperation. Other than that, there are many references to appointing people to be members of various strategic committees but little evidence of any formal agreements arising from the same.

Blogger Deplorable May 10, 2017 1:18 PM  

Erdogan is literally AntiRacist Hitler?

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2017 1:20 PM  

Next year in Constantinople

I fail to see how a straight Jerusalem/Constantinople trade isn't in everyones best interest.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2017 1:23 PM  

Erdogan has put his saddle on the tiger of Islam in order to own Turkey. He has to ride it, no matter how stupid that may be. Calling for a kind of flashmob at al Aqsa is pretty safe because it looks so brave and Islamic statesmanlike, but all the costs will be on the IDF security not Turkish security.

Considering that the Turks could turn several million more colonizers loose this year, Turkey should have about zero friends by now in Europe. There should be rumblings about realignment of NATO.

Tommy! Oh, Tommy! Come out wherever you are!

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2017 1:32 PM  

@9 Mark Auld
I smell a cluster f**k of Biblical proportions brewing, and led by the Turks...who da thunk it?
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I have a vague memory that the as yet to happen battle of Gog and Magog will involve Turkey and Germany attacking Isreal? I might be wrong, sure someone here will correct the heck out of me on it if so.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 10, 2017 1:35 PM  

Hitler, you can too

Blogger Felix Bellator May 10, 2017 1:42 PM  

Is Turkey Gog or Magog? I forget.

How about MTGA, Make Turkey Greek Again? Or does Alexander have to go back?

Anonymous Philipp May 10, 2017 1:43 PM  

"Here is the only solution. The establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of 1967."

Well, that is not just Erdogan's position but the position of basically every country in the world except for Israel and the U.S.

Anonymous jdgalt May 10, 2017 1:45 PM  

The Israeli-Turk alliance was doomed as soon as Erdogan was elected. He backs Hamas, a group whose express goal is to exterminate the Jews.

We need to kick the Turks out of NATO, or leave it ourselves, before they drag us into the wrong side of a war against Israel. And for the same reason we should drop our support of Qatar, which also backs Hamas.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2017 1:48 PM  

"Next year in Constantinople"

Three cheers:

Hussar! Hussar! Hussar!

Anonymous p-dawg May 10, 2017 1:51 PM  

If you own land on the Plain of Magiddo, I'd look to sell sooner rather than later.

Blogger sykes.1 May 10, 2017 1:51 PM  

Turkey's continued drift into the Russo-Irani alliance is a strategic catastrophy for the US and NATO.

Less than 5 years ago, Turkey and Israel were US allies and Egypt was very friendly, friendly enough to get a license to build Abrams tanks. Today both Turkey and Egypt are less than friendly, and our alliance system in the eastern Mediterranean is in tatters.

Anonymous beerme May 10, 2017 1:56 PM  

@25 Make Anatolia Greek Again

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 10, 2017 2:06 PM  

We should have sold Iraq to Exxon for $1.

Blogger cheddarman May 10, 2017 2:12 PM  

Turkroaches gonna turkroach

Blogger Chris Mallory May 10, 2017 2:14 PM  

jdgalt wrote:The Israeli-Turk alliance was doomed as soon as Erdogan was elected. He backs Hamas, a group whose express goal is to exterminate the Jews.

We need to kick the Turks out of NATO, or leave it ourselves, before they drag us into the wrong side of a war against Israel. And for the same reason we should drop our support of Qatar, which also backs Hamas.


Any position taken by the US government should only be in the best interests of the American people. What is good or bad for Israel or any other nation should never come in to the equation. America First, America Only.

Blogger RobertT May 10, 2017 2:14 PM  

"What's the difference between the present acts of the Israeli administration and the racist and discriminatory politics that were practised against black people in the past in America – and up until a short time ago in South Africa."<

No mention of discrimination, slavery, genocide practiced by Turkish Muslims.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 10, 2017 2:16 PM  

Russo-Turk alliance?!?!?!?

You obviously know nothing of Russian history -- that's like pondering the formation of a Sino-Japanese alliance.

The Russians hate the Turks' guts, and that will never change.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 10, 2017 2:19 PM  

The funny bit is the Israeli-Saudi alliance is extremely strong right now. (Yes, you read that right.) Which probably explains a lot of what is going on. Erdogan has set himself up as a new Sultan, which is clearly not something the Arabs are too pleased with. (People forget the Turks & Arabs hate each other. And have for many centuries.)

The bigger issue is actually Trump finally siding with the Kurds. While we shouldn't invite the Kurds to immigrate to the West, they've been useful allies in a lot of situations. Further, in the "demographics is destiny" category, Kurds will be a majority in Turkey inside just a few years. That's a big problem for Turkey.

Which is why I look forward to Making Istanbul Constantinople Again. :)

Blogger bornagainpenguin May 10, 2017 2:26 PM  

Felix Bellator wrote:Is Turkey Gog or Magog? I forget.


Nah, Turkey is "Gomer and all his bands" Gog and Magog is Russia.

Anonymous badhairday May 10, 2017 2:28 PM  

What's the point of being 'the dictator of Turkey' when you can be 'CRAZY dictator of Turkey'?

Blogger Lovekraft May 10, 2017 2:29 PM  

#BUILDTHATWALL!

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 10, 2017 2:31 PM  

We should have sold Iraq to Exxon for $1


That's more or less how Britain used to empire

Anonymous Grayman May 10, 2017 2:54 PM  

he Turkish leader also took the opportunity to heap scorn on Israel, likening the country's policies to South Africa's Apartheid era

MAGA, Make Apartheid Great Again MAGA#

Blogger Azimus May 10, 2017 2:54 PM  

Attaturk's Turkey was mortally wounded last year w/the failed coup - but it was Erdogan who sunk the blade that stopped it's heart after the failure and up to the referendum passage. Sad. And so few Turks gave a damn...

... well like Barry Obama said you get the leaders you deserve. I'm sure Sultan Tayyip I will rule with a peaceful and benevolent hand...

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 10, 2017 3:08 PM  

tz wrote:
The Turks know how to do genocide right.

Yes the Turks were very efficient at slaughtering Christians - Albanians in 1915 and Greeks in the early 1920s - but the non-existent lobby which cannot be named has blocked all attempts to label the 1915 event in particular as such. No doubt something to do the Babylon-Talmud's definition of humans vs. cattle and other beasts. After all, if feral cats exterminated penguins on a sub-Antarctic island, it wouldn't be genocide as usally defined. The present definition of the term is that only (((certain people))) were ever subjected to genocide. All that other mass-slaughter and mayhem was just animals killing one another or (as in old USSR), (((people))) killing cattle and sheep.

They'll never run out of Hitlers though. Hitlers are as abundant as the cattle on a thousand hills ... or so (((they))) say.

Blogger Nick S May 10, 2017 3:09 PM  

Erdogan is an evil snake.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 10, 2017 3:15 PM  

Turkey was obviously no longer a friend or ally of Israel when the first Gaza Flotilla assembled and set sail from there.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 10, 2017 3:24 PM  

Sounds like it's just empty signaling-- PR aimed at the ignorant Muslim masses. Turkey and Israel are still on the same side when it comes to backing the moderate terrorists in Syria. Judeo-Islamic cooperation in the invasion of Europe is a priority as well.

Anonymous glosoli May 10, 2017 3:32 PM  

Hmmm.

Trump supporting the Kurds.
The Saudis aligned with Israel.
The Russians hate the Turks.
Erdogan is a mad man, but has been nicely helped to increase his power by all sides along the way, quite odd.
Trump is off on his first little foreign trip.
On the itinerary: Saudi Arabia, Israel, and.....Rome.
It's not my hypothesis, but I am not surprised to see Rome on the list (even though Trump is nominally not a Catholic).
The hypothesis is a war against the Turks, with Russia and America (and Israel & Saudi Arabia) on the same side.
Afterwards, a push for the new world order under a renegotiated UN, with more power for the satanists, post US hyperinflation. And a push to merge all religions of the book under a moderate (satanist) umbrella. The masses will take the mark of the beast when asked.

I wonder if we'll see Trump bend down to kiss Bergoglio's ring, whilst the true Pope is cooped up indoors somewhere. So symbolic.

A foul stench is in the air, that's for sure.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2017 3:47 PM  

East Thrace and Israel are about the same size.

Just sayin...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2017 3:53 PM  

glosoli wrote:The hypothesis is a war against the Turks, with Russia and America (and Israel & Saudi Arabia) on the same side.

Afterwards, a push for the new world order under a renegotiated UN, with more power for the satanists, post US hyperinflation. And a push to merge all religions of the book under a moderate (satanist) umbrella. The masses will take the mark of the beast when asked.

I wonder if we'll see Trump bend down to kiss Bergoglio's ring, whilst the true Pope is cooped up indoors somewhere. So symbolic.


See, this is why morons shouldn't be allowed to do their own biblical interpretation.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 10, 2017 3:57 PM  

jdgalt wrote:before they drag us into the wrong side of a war against Israel.

Which side would that be? I'm going to guess both sides would be the wrong side.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 10, 2017 3:57 PM  

I understand Erdogan's bother was the middleman for the sale of ISIS oil to Israel. Wonder if that deal went south since ISIS has actually lost ground in the last few months. If the Israelis are getting their oil now from the Magic Kingdom's House of Saud, perhaps a new middleman is in play? (After all, good Musloids can't be seen hawking the stuff to Israel directly).

Blogger Greg C. May 10, 2017 4:30 PM  

Gog is the leader of Turkey (Erdogan). Magog is Biblical Persia (Iran).

http://shoebat.com/2016/08/15/is-this-new-alliance-between-russia-turkey-and-iran-the-gog-and-magog-alliance/

Anonymous Grayman May 10, 2017 4:34 PM  

@52
if I remember correctly the Russians used the tanker truck fleet as target practice... I heard the tanker trucks made nice "reactive" targets.

Blogger dienw May 10, 2017 4:50 PM  

Nah, Turkey is "Gomer and all his bands" Gog and Magog is Russia.

Yes, and the Ashkenazim, who are the majority of those called Jews, are also sons of Gomer.

(Gen 10:3)  And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

The Khazars ...were a semi-nomadic Turkic people

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2017 4:51 PM  

@54
The tanker trucks were rolling north, into Turkey.
That is how the Russians got one of their old SU - 27's shot down close to the border.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2017 4:53 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:The tanker trucks were rolling north, into Turkey.


Petroleum fumes are much more explosive than liquid petroleum.

Blogger Phat Repat May 10, 2017 5:32 PM  

Dats Raycissssss... But, what goes around...

Anonymous One Deplorable DT May 10, 2017 5:49 PM  

We will keep making efforts for Quds to turn into a city of peace.

So they intend to turn the city into a hell hole of bullets, bombs, blood, and death.

Kind of like London.

Anonymous DirkH May 10, 2017 5:59 PM  

Please remind the MSM that calling Jerusalem Jerusalem is islamophobic. It's name is Al Quds.
After all they keep calling Konstantinopel Istanbul.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin May 10, 2017 6:14 PM  

says volumes that Erdogan, in expressing his displeasure with 'Murka, attacks Israel. Dumbass 'Murkans are the only people in the world who don't know they're living under a Zionist Occupation Government. And never more so than with the Kushner-Trumpenthal regime.

Blogger ZhukovG May 10, 2017 7:42 PM  

The Winged Hussars

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky May 10, 2017 7:43 PM  

For the Iraq invasion Turkey agreed to allow us to invade from the north, so we moved one of our best divisions there at enormous expense. Then at the last second the Turks reneged on the deal.

So we slow walk any military assistance to those treacherous scumbags. "We're on our way, Turkey. Oh yeah, lemme get right on that."

Blogger Jew613 May 10, 2017 8:12 PM  

The alliance has been dead really since the election of Erdogan. It's just more in the open now.

Anonymous Post Alley Cracks Out of a Turkish Prison May 10, 2017 8:12 PM  

"Constantinople, Not Istanbul"


Constantinople was Istanbul
It's gonna be Constantinople not Istanbul
Been a long time coming
Old Istanbul still has Turkish delight
But Constantinople makes it right

Every Christian in Istanbul
Is tired of the bull and is a constant hopeful
So when you go to services in Istanbul
You should have them in Constantinople

Even new Mumbai was once old Bombay
Why they changed it, we can't say
(So put it back, it's better that way!)

[CHORUS:]
We're going back to Constantinople
You'd better get ready for Constantinople
Because we're better together as Constantinople
Why should Istanbul get the works?
That's everybody's business about the Turks!

CONSTANTINOPLE!
CONSTANTINOPLE!

Even new Mumbai was once old Bombay
Why they changed it, we can't say
(So put it back, it's better that way!)

[CHORUS]

CON-STAN-TIN-OPLLLLLLE!!!!


:-)

Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 10, 2017 8:37 PM  

Quite content to call it Byzantium. Constantinople is too cumbersome a word.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 10, 2017 9:33 PM  

This kind of thing is predictable. After taking back all Jerusalem at the end of 1967, Israel should have stopped all overt mohammedan control of and visitation to Al Aqsa mosque. They could have allowed cleaning or checking once a year by mohammedan officials, but meantime keep the place from being overrun daily by mohammedans on a mission.

Oh well, could've, should've, would've.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 10, 2017 9:37 PM  

Time for Trump to officially recognize Kurdistan, including territory now in Iraq and Syria. This will give Erdogan sleepless nights as he considers what will happen with Kurdish territory in Turkey. Also, the time is right to do it now; if the Syrian mess if ever cleaned up, it will be too late.

Blogger DonReynolds May 10, 2017 9:48 PM  

NATO was created to counter the threat of Soviet invasion and later by the Warsaw Pact. There was little or no thought given to what NATO would do if two or more members of the NATO alliance were to go to war with each other. It is not entirely unthinkable, especially now that Germany is a NATO member and Anglo-French good relations are historically a recent development.

Yet, we have already crossed that bridge, without anyone seeming to notice, when Turkey over-ran Cyprus and kicked out the Greeks. It was not in itself much of a war between Greece and Turkey, but it was a continuation of wars between the Turks and the Greeks that date back to before Troy. Basically, the Turks have been winning the wars against the Greeks. But back to the original concern.....what did NATO do when two member states had a short war? Answer....Nothing.

The next question that naturally follows, is what will NATO do when a member state decides to quit the NATO alliance? Well....that already happened too, when DeGaulle pulled France out of NATO, many years ago. What did NATO do? Answer....nothing. In fact, they pretend to this day that it never happened and pretend that France is still part of the NATO bulwark against Soviet (or Warsaw Pact) invasion.

Blogger Kristophr May 10, 2017 10:01 PM  

Ermm, the Turks weren't there at Troy.

The Turks are invaders from central Asia, who committed a quiet genocide against the remaining Anatolian Greeks while they were killing the Armenians.

Blogger weka May 10, 2017 10:17 PM  

Make Constantinople great again

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2017 10:23 PM  

"The Turks are invaders from central Asia . . ."

They have to go back.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 10, 2017 10:32 PM  

The alignment of Egypt is down to Obama's breath-taking doctrine of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. This country barely saved itself from the chaos of the Obama-Clinton "Arab Spring". Trump could and should fix this relationship if he wants Egypt back in the US camp.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 10, 2017 10:35 PM  

Surprise!

The Turks have always been the lying child of NATO.

Blogger Buybuydandavis May 10, 2017 11:16 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:

Further, in the "demographics is destiny" category, Kurds will be a majority in Turkey inside just a few years. That's a big problem for Turkey.


Believe that's false. La Wik shows only 18% Kurdish as of 2008.

Anonymous Lurker May 10, 2017 11:56 PM  

@63, Rubberducky: "For the Iraq invasion Turkey agreed to allow us to invade from the north, so we moved one of our best divisions there at enormous expense. Then at the last second the Turks reneged on the deal."

Not quite true. Recall that France, and to a lesser extent Germany, had large business dealing with Iraq, and were fighting extensively behind the scenes to stop us from attacking. A key piece of this was that France explicitly threatened Turkey with withdrawal of their application for full integration with NATO and with the European markets. Turkey blinked, and thus at the last minute disallowed the northern attack into Iraq.

Blogger praetorian May 11, 2017 8:25 AM  

9/10 breddy gud deus vult

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