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Sunday, May 28, 2017

They should have let Luke direct

Then the Star Wars sequels might not have been such barely mitigated disasters. He had some ideas, you see.
As noted in my cover story, Hamill has a lot of thoughts on how Luke might have been reintroduced differently in The Force Awakens. He could have come in during Han Solo’s climactic scene with Kylo Ren, receiving some sort of Force-telepathy distress call from his sister, General Leia, but arriving too late to save Han from death. Or, perhaps, he might have materialized in the snowy forest of Starkiller Base, where Rey duels with Kylo. On his first read-through of the script, Hamill recalled, he got excited when the legendary lightsaber wiggled portentously in the snow. “The moment in the forest, when the saber rattles?” he said. “I go, ‘Oh, baby, here I come!’ And then it flies into her hands? I said, What the hell, she hasn’t even trained!”

Likewise, after reading Rian Johnson’s script for The Last Jedi, Hamill said, “I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’”
And that is one of the many reasons I will never see the sequels to the movies I loved so much as a child. Never to forgive, never to forget. But also, never fear. Faraway Wars: Embers of Empire is coming later this summer for all your revisionist space opera requirements.

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126 Comments:

Anonymous Dyskord May 28, 2017 8:07 AM  

I look forward to it.

I've noticed an increase in space opera's these last two years and my own desire for more such epics.

Is this a revival of the genre or is it just confirmation bias on my behalf?

Blogger Chris Lutz May 28, 2017 8:09 AM  

Maybe Disney is going to kill Star Wars faster than expected. You can already sense in the fan base that the estimation of the first film has dropped significantly and Rogue One only gets points for the battle and, what I consider lame, tacked on Darth Vader ending.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 28, 2017 8:13 AM  

Watched some videos of him on youtube last week where said much the same. Foreshadowing the next release he pretty much says the Luke character is thoroughly ruined. This, of course, is a required sacrifice for the altar of grrrl power.

Anonymous Rocklea May 28, 2017 8:20 AM  

The Force compels me. I have to watch. Maybe it's the Dark Side. You don't know the Power of the Dark Side.

Blogger Shimshon May 28, 2017 8:26 AM  

Has he ever expressed an opinion on the prequels?

Anonymous DirkH May 28, 2017 8:32 AM  

I watched Star Wars because it was the first non-boring SF film of the 70ies.
Most of the designs are rip-offs of the Valerian comic BTW.
https://bombadradio.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/valerian-destined-to-be-the-next-star-wars/

Blogger Chris Lutz May 28, 2017 8:34 AM  

@5 I don't remember him ever saying anything about them. Of course he wasn't involved in them. Now though he's dealing with the character that has made his career and he has an attachment to it. Just the two ideas he mentioned in the article were far better ideas than what was in the actual movie.

Anonymous Gart Williams May 28, 2017 8:37 AM  

I really wish they had based these on the outlines that Lucas wrote in the late 70s back when he still had a lot of great ideas. Sadly, we'll never get to see his original vision for his sequel trilogy.

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 28, 2017 8:37 AM  

The skywalker story should have ended with return of the jedi. The story was complete at that point. Anything after that should exist in the non-canonical EU, or better yet the imaginations of the fanbase. IMHO the new trilogy should have been placed in the past of the starwars universe. maybe explore the origins of the sith and the jedi.

Blogger Bodo Staron May 28, 2017 8:38 AM  

Having watched every old Star Wars movie too often (starting back with VHS copies) I have to admit, Rogue One was satisfying. Of course it was not perfect, but it was good.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 28, 2017 8:44 AM  

Maybe Disney is going to kill Star Wars faster than expected.

The problem with being a money obsessed corporation is greed causes mistakes.

A new Star Wars movie every two or three years keeps people interested. Every year or even twice a year as they've begin with Marvel is a mistake.

Disney will learn that their two valuable franchises will get can fatigue soon. And when it happens the whole thing comes crashing down.

Anonymous Man of the Atom May 28, 2017 8:57 AM  

Chris Lutz wrote:@5 Now though he's dealing with the character that has made his career and he has an attachment to it. Just the two ideas he mentioned in the article were far better ideas than what was in the actual movie.

He's done more as an animation voice actor (the Joker) than Star Wars, and I liked him better in that role as well.

Blogger Orville May 28, 2017 9:06 AM  

He's just mad he had to lose 50 pounds for a 10 second spot in the last movie.

Anonymous Icicle May 28, 2017 9:07 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtL6HZ81ymE

Hey kids! It's Mark Hamill! (applause)

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2017 9:12 AM  

I have to admit, Rogue One was satisfying. Of course it was not perfect, but it was good.

It's what I was saying in another thread, before someone leaped to defend the honor of Fury Road for no reason: they've gotten good at making "fast food movies" which are satisfying to watch in the moment, so they make money pretty reliably as long as they don't do something stupid like promote the movie as a feminist manifesto. But the enjoyment of them comes from the action set pieces, the careful construction of movement and sound to produce an emotional reaction, and shallow personalities. It doesn't come from story or character depth, so it doesn't stick with people. They're not bad movies, and sometimes they might be quite good in some ways. There just isn't anything special about them except the budget.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with enjoyable, forgettable movies. If people have a good time in the theater, talk about it with their friends for a couple days afterwards, and feel like they got their money's worth, it's not a tragedy if it's forgotten a couple months later and no one ever dresses up as the characters for Halloween. (That might be a tragedy for the merchandising departments, but not for viewers.)

But it'd be nice to get more than "enjoyable and forgettable" sometimes, because we used to.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 9:17 AM  

One thing that is interesting about the coming sequel is that Luke may have finally figured out that the Jedi are a disaster and need to go away.

Consider:

By Yoda's own admission they are arrogant and overrate themselves.

Yoda himself has had his ass kicked in every major lightsaber fight he's been in. Apparently the dark side does complete the Jedi training as Yoda certainly can't.

The Jedi can move apples around on a plate with their mind but apparently they cannot sense the most evil creature in the universe right under their nose AKA Palpatine.

Everything that Jedi order does backfires. They are solely responsible for training the evil creatures that conquere the universe.

They can't figure out that all Skywalkers should be euthanized, and not coddled, nurtured and trained for another generation of screw-ups.

Apparently the sissy hot pants can defeat Sith Lords out of the box with her lightsaber. As has been pointed out ad infinitum it took Luke what three movies to be able to barley lift a crate with the force?

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2017 9:26 AM  

He could have come in during Han Solo’s climactic scene with Kylo Ren, receiving some sort of Force-telepathy distress call from his sister, General Leia, but arriving too late to save Han from death.

I think everybody has thought about that one.

How It Should Have Ended: The Force Awakens

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2017 9:36 AM  

The HISHE guys reminded me of something I thought about in the theater.

The New Republic has had the plans, plus thirty years.

Why the hell didn't they build their own Deathstar?

I mean it doesn't seem to be all that difficult.

Blogger Salt May 28, 2017 9:42 AM  

They should have really gone for it and casted Lena Dunham. Would have added some fat to the chick flick.

Anonymous Icicle May 28, 2017 9:47 AM  

Oooh yeah, back that thing up (truck on top of her).

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2017 9:50 AM  

@2

Star Wars dirty little secret is that by now it has become very, very limited.

You can only make a Star Wars movie about WWII Space Fighters, Amusing Droids and Light Sabers.

And that's it.

At this point if you try to expand beyond those three things the fan base won't accept it.

Now they are for the moment, still showing up but how long will that last? Over the first 38 years of the franchise there were only six movies made so the fans showed up for anything.

Now they are going to be releasing them once or twice a year, it's not going to be special anymore. And as I said, Star Wars is basically only about those three things.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 28, 2017 9:51 AM  

Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.

I'm sure working with these neurotic retards cured Luke of that attitude. Welcome to the Alt-Right, Mr. Hamill!

Blogger SouthRon May 28, 2017 9:51 AM  

Tits need training bras, but chicks are instant Jedi masters. Uh, huh.

The Farce Awakens

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 28, 2017 9:55 AM  

Han Solo should have died taking out the death star shield. Not the ridiculous hands up scene with the chrome storm trooper.

The complete lack of training required to be a Jedi nowadays has to be a reflection of our need for instant gratification

Anonymous MongoJimmy May 28, 2017 9:58 AM  

Let the Hate flow through you, Luke.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 28, 2017 9:59 AM  

@21

That's like saying westerns are about horses, guns and whiskey...

Anonymous Laz May 28, 2017 10:00 AM  

@16. The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan

"Yoda himself has had his ass kicked in every major lightsaber fight he's been in. Apparently the dark side does complete the Jedi training as Yoda certainly can't."

He didn't get his ass kicked by Dooku.

"They are solely responsible for training the evil creatures that conquere the universe."

Nope. They didn't train Palpatine.

"They can't figure out that all Skywalkers should be euthanized, and not coddled, nurtured and trained for another generation of screw-ups."

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Dooku didn't defeat him, he just got away.

"The Jedi can move apples around on a plate with their mind but apparently they cannot sense the most evil creature in the universe right under their nose AKA Palpatine."

The dark side muddles their force powers.

"

Anonymous Yann May 28, 2017 10:02 AM  

Rumours are that they're gonna make Luke a Villain.

It makes sense someway: Han Solo dead, Luke a villain, finally there won't be a single non-hispanic white caucasian character in the "Good" side. So finally Star Wars can became what they wanted: oppressed multicultural victims against the Empire of evil white males.

Blogger Durandel Almiras May 28, 2017 10:04 AM  

In E;R's second SW video, Rogue Wan, he cites a book that demonstrates that Lucas only had one movie in mind. Apparently Lucas thought the first one would be a one and done and that it would fail, even betting on its failure with Spielberg. When it succeeded he then pitched it as a trilogy (cause money!), and with RoJ, the story is completely resolved.

Why Lucas called it episode IV, I don't know, I never read the book E;R mentioned. My guess is George wanted the audience to understand they were in the middle of a conflict and thus he could get away with an opening intro and avoid having to do any setup or exposition of previous events and instead jump straight into the action.

E;R's videos, worth a watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDtND60qB8&t=2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg29Sa6QFes

Blogger TheMaleRei May 28, 2017 10:07 AM  

Disney should make the story(s) of Revan and the Exile, from the Knights of the Old republic series. They should ignore entirely the Old Republic MMO...

How Revan crushed the Mandalorians, fell to the dark side and brought the Republic to its knees, then was redeemed to crush the Sith...

And then the story of the Exile...

Blogger TheMaleRei May 28, 2017 10:14 AM  

On the other hand, they will/would probably find a way to butcher that as well, but I can hope...

Blogger Gapeseed May 28, 2017 10:15 AM  

Killing the Golden Goose seems to be a thing at Disney. Once upon a time, the franchise Who Wants to Be a Millionaire was the biggest show on television, and Disney ran it right off the rails by running it four times a week during prime time.

Four times a week!

In prime time!

For a game show!

All of this points to desperation for both Disney specifically and Hollywood in general. The people inside these studios are not dumb. They understand the danger of overexposure, but are mistaken that such dangers can be mitigated by putting new PC spins on old narratives. When the audience and merchandising for the Star Wars franchise goes limp at some point soon, it will no doubt be attributed to mysterious and random causes. The suits will cite the fickleness of the market and the American consumer while another creative grove of low-hanging fruit will be stripped clean and baked into politically correct fare not nearly as delightful as the original source material.

If you own Disney shares, you know what to do.

Blogger Johnny May 28, 2017 10:20 AM  

A little off topic and ranting, I really hated what they did in the sequel to 300. The girl power enemy was acceptable but they never ever should have turned the Spartan King's wife into an action hero. The major problem with the movie was that the people who produced it either don't understand the warrior hero concept or perhaps declined to present it. The latest movie version of the life of Alexander the Great has that same flaw. Not bad but not done by people who are into the warrior hero thing.

By Hollywood standards if it makes money it is not a disaster, and I would imagine the Star Wars series still sells a lot of toys. For me the first and original really rocked because I loved the visuals. The second one still strong and a must see. And from then on down hill. At first not so original and now going steadily more converged. Can't say that I have seen them all.

And by the way, the core problem with the current Jedi is that it strains credibility for them to take on armies; just a little too absurd to be taken seriously. They should be defenders of noble causes out slaying dragons, not out defending empires by slaying legions of troops.

Blogger DeploraBard May 28, 2017 10:29 AM  

They are not going to improve the quality until sales drastically decline. The films make money and introduce a new generation to Star Wars. A generation that is numb, dumb, and addicted videos.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2017 10:29 AM  

Why Lucas called it episode IV, I don't know,

You've betrayed your age and I'm about to betray mine.

During the first release in 1977 it WASN'T called Episode IV or Episode anything. There was no header on the opening screen crawl. After seeing the title card of Star Wars, the first words you read are: It is a period of Civil War. And that was it.

It was when it was re-released a year or two later that the numbering system began.

Blogger DeploraBard May 28, 2017 10:30 AM  

"to" videos

Blogger Kentucky Headhunter May 28, 2017 10:31 AM  

A new Star Wars movie every two or three years keeps people interested. Every year or even twice a year as they've begin with Marvel is a mistake.

I don't think people would have any problems with a good-to-great movie set in the Star Wars universe coming out every year, but that's not what we've been getting or should expect to happen in the future. Apparently Disney is fixated on the Skywalker/Death Star storyline and gimmicks and won't move away from it for love (of actually good stories) or money (which is going to tail off quickly due to the crappy stories).

I am kinda amazed that Hamill is saying this stuff in public. I wonder if Luke dies in this movie, or if Hamill really has enough "fuck you" money he's past caring.

Geez, the trailer I saw before Guardians Vol. II just looked awful. Why is she training on the island? Isn't she already the baddest bitch in the galaxy? She should just force choke Snoak and Darth Emo to death from 10 systems away.

Blogger IrishFarmer May 28, 2017 10:37 AM  

Sorry but wrong. Im okay with ep 7, but Rogue One was dour, boring, garbage with unlikable characters and was just the worst.

Anonymous BBGKB May 28, 2017 10:42 AM  

“The moment in the forest, when the saber rattles?” he said. “I go, ‘Oh, baby, here I come!’ And then it flies into her hands to join another saber to form Light Scissors using the femlesbo force.

Blogger VD May 28, 2017 10:46 AM  

I wasn't at all offended by your ludicrous claim about the popularity of Fury Road compared to its predecessors, Gamma boy. I merely pointed out the obviously false nature of your claim.

Do not EVER attempt to tell others how I feel about anything or attempt to speak for me. Such comments are deleted on sight.

Blogger Chris Lutz May 28, 2017 10:51 AM  

@36 Until Lucas redid the films, I don't think the titling changed even then. I have the unedited copies that people have put together. Also, Star Wars isn't limited by those things. They could do a whole host of new stories, even without lightsabers. Rogue One was supposed to be that but I think the grrrll power script had to be redone and they shoved Vader into the film.

@12 Yes, I know he's done a lot of voice work. My point though is Star Wars is what made his name. I doubt he would even get the amount of voice work he gets if it wasn't for that.

@28 If they make Luke the villain it will end up like Far Cry 5 and The Man in the High Castle art. A lot of people will be rooting for the bad guys.

I see the Fury Road defender is back. Really, just give it up. It may have great action scenes but otherwise is a forgettable film.

Blogger synp May 28, 2017 10:54 AM  

"my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision"

Luke's job in this movie is to stand on a rock, and then turn around. That's it. I mean "no small parts, only small actors" only goes so far, and it's really just something we tell our kids when they land the role of tree #3 in the school play.

Blogger Johnny May 28, 2017 10:58 AM  

Well I don't know who Gamma Boy is, but for me Fury Road was another one of those popcorn movies, perhaps enjoyable as it goes along, but also instantly forgettable. Beyond Thunderdome, much more memorable despite some weak places.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 28, 2017 11:00 AM  

@Kentucky Headhunter

Making a good movie takes time though. And spitting out a movie once a year is an obvious cash grab.

You can see the cracks forming at Disney. And it gives me a wicked smile every time.

They're up to 2 and 3 marvel movies a year
1 star wars
Endless sequels to Pixar movies. The company that once swore they never made sequels.

They're losing money hand over fist with Ebony Sistas Philosophy Network. And ABC isn't doing as well as it once was.

The fall of Disney is beautiful. And I'm watching every moment with Glee.

Anonymous a_peraspera May 28, 2017 11:01 AM  

"the core problem with the current Jedi is that it strains credibility for them to take on armies; just a little too absurd to be taken seriously."

YES. In the original movies a Force user/Jedi was a cut above a normal human, but not godlike. A little bit of telekinesis, a few minor mental tricks ("these aren't the droids you're looking for"), and some enhanced intuition that enabled them to evade attacks. That was it.

Later on Jedi became gravity-defying uber-ninjas, leaping and spinning in the air, deflecting dozens of laser blasts while cutting apart legions of mooks. Then there's the way Anakin could fall literally half a mile and catch a speeding aircraft. Ridiculous.

Anonymous Rfvujm May 28, 2017 11:01 AM  

Don't forget what JJ Abrams had to say about Star Wars

"You look around the room and see the whitest fucking room in history of time. It's just unbelievably white. And I thought, we're casting this show and have an opportunity to do anything we want, why not just cast the show with actors of color?"

Blogger Johnny May 28, 2017 11:02 AM  

In Hollywood there is always a struggle for creative control and a desire to get credit for it. Calling it Star Wars IV links it to the first three and gives Lucas a little more credit for the production. I would imagine the current crowd would just as soon he were forgotten.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) May 28, 2017 11:03 AM  

16. The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 9:17 AM
*snip*



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bMLrA_0O5I

Blogger Chris Lutz May 28, 2017 11:08 AM  

@43 I loved that his quotable line from the movie was something uttered by virtually any office drone during the week. It's not "Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

@45 In my mind that was the fatal flaw with the prequels. Lucas made the Jedi too powerful.

Blogger Shimshon May 28, 2017 11:12 AM  

Regarding the hyper-popcorn nature of today's unmemorable tent-pole movies, I remember reading some time back about there being an actual Formula (which I believe JJ Abrams contributed to) that pretty much all the big movies follow today (besides the SJW stuff they also tack on) and have converged on this over a period of years.

Someone had done an analysis of recent pre-Formula classics (like Raiders) and how they all violated many tenets of the Formula, but were nonetheless critical and financial blockbusters.

I think there was a book written about this.

It was an interesting article.

Blogger Shimshon May 28, 2017 11:14 AM  

I think this is what I am talking about (but not the article I remember):

http://www.indiewire.com/2013/07/the-not-so-secret-formula-behind-every-hollywood-movie-127655/

Blogger Elkanah Haon May 28, 2017 11:23 AM  

"I merely pointed out the obviously false nature of your claim."

While providing no evidence to show it as false and accusing me of lying. Not that I expected any evidence or sources to be thrown around - I wasn't looking for an argument. Cail expressed a personal opinion and I responded with one.

Could well be that I'm wrong but I don't see why simply, and perfectly politely, stating "Fury Road will be more commonly quoted than Road Warrior" merited the replies of the nature I received.

"Gamma boy"

You, and Cail, responded to my innocuous post with accusations so I replied to address those accusations.

"Do not EVER attempt to tell others how I feel about anything or attempt to speak for me. Such comments are deleted on sight."

Fair enough, and I apologise for doing so.

Anyway, I'm only here because this blog is a daily read for me and Cail is one of my favorite commenters. I'll keep myself in 'read only' mode.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2017 11:39 AM  

There's probably too much concern paid to what direction they take the plot or how often they put out movies. After Star Wars, I doubt a single fan said, "For the next one, they should split up our plucky band of heroes, have Luke spend a third of the film talking to a puppet, and end with total downers for everyone." But that's what they did, and it's a classic because the story was great, the characters were compelling, and we cared about them. (We didn't just like them, which is easy to do; we cared about them.) And if they'd released it six months after Star Wars, no one would have complained it was too soon.

So they could make Luke a hero, or a villain, or not use him at all -- if the story is good and we care about the characters, it could be great. But if the story's only so-so or a retread, and the characters are likeable but not that compelling, then it won't be. Then things like plot details, action scenes, and fan service become a lot more critical, because they're trying to make up for missing core elements.

Anonymous Icicle May 28, 2017 11:48 AM  

Don't forget what (((JJ Abrams))) had to say about Star Wars

"You look around the room and see the whitest fucking room in history of time. It's just unbelievably white...


Fixed that for you.

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Blogger Bellguard May 28, 2017 11:54 AM  

I hope to God Almighty that they don't go for any of this Gray Jedi Force bullshit I've seen floating around.

Blogger VD May 28, 2017 11:54 AM  

Could well be that I'm wrong but I don't see why simply, and perfectly politely, stating "Fury Road will be more commonly quoted than Road Warrior" merited the replies of the nature I received.

Because it is absurd on its face. The fourth film in a series is never going to be as popular, or as "classic", or as quoted, as a film so significant as to merit a sequel, as opposed to a remake, 30 years later. Also, Fury Road is viewed, rightly or wrongly, as part of Hollywood's campaign to SJWize everything. Its relative success in comparison to Grrlbusters and Black Magnolias tends to indicate this is not entirely correct.

Fair enough, and I apologise for doing so.

No problem. I understand not everyone is familiar with the rules here.

Blogger VD May 28, 2017 11:55 AM  

I hope to God Almighty that they don't go for any of this Gray Jedi Force bullshit I've seen floating around.

I very much hope they do. And bring back midichlorians while they're at it.

Blogger JWM in SD May 28, 2017 12:02 PM  

It will be blamed on white males not wanting to comply with pc culture and narrative forced into the movies.

Anonymous MongoJimmy May 28, 2017 12:12 PM  

True Grit is another classic pre-PC film neutered by the Commies. The original starred John Wayne, Kim Darby, Robert Duvall, Glem Campbell, Dennis Hopper et al. But even Jeff Bridges couldn't salvage the insipid leftist makeover.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) May 28, 2017 12:14 PM  

59. JWM in SD May 28, 2017 12:02 PM
It will be blamed on white males not wanting to comply with pc culture and narrative forced into the movies.



is that why Ghost in the Shell crashed and burned?

i mean, you would have thought that sexist, objectifying misogynists would have made Scarlett Johanson running around virtually nude for an entire move exactly the kind of thing they would have made into a 'hit'.


Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2017 12:15 PM  

Anonymous, pick a name. Hamill probably didn't get to read the script until he signed the contract. Which is why he didn't walk away after Rian Johnson showed him the script for Episode VIII.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2017 12:17 PM  

I was wondering about Ghost in the Shell. Is it worth seeing? I'm the root of all evil, of course, so keep that in mind when replying.

Blogger EMyrt May 28, 2017 12:30 PM  

VD, then you and the commentariat might enjoy this:
https://medium.com/@ellenmmartin/a-farewell-to-star-wars-a-memoir-of-love-and-disillusionment-on-the-40th-anniversary-of-star-wars-f400249fe6dd

Blogger EMyrt May 28, 2017 12:32 PM  

Chris Lutz wrote:Maybe Disney is going to kill Star Wars faster than expected. You can already sense in the fan base that the estimation of the first film has dropped significantly and Rogue One only gets points for the battle and, what I consider lame, tacked on Darth Vader ending.



It's still making a ton of money for Disney, especially since it's not much more than an advertisement for the game, the amusement park attractions, the merchandise, the books, etc.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) May 28, 2017 12:34 PM  

64. Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2017 12:17 PM
I was wondering about Ghost in the Shell. Is it worth seeing? I'm the root of all evil, of course, so keep that in mind when replying.



no idea, i haven't seen it.

i suppose that means i'm letting down the side.

Blogger EMyrt May 28, 2017 12:41 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:@Kentucky Headhunter

Making a good movie takes time though. And spitting out a movie once a year is an obvious cash grab.

You can see the cracks forming at Disney. And it gives me a wicked smile every time.

They're up to 2 and 3 marvel movies a year

1 star wars

Endless sequels to Pixar movies. The company that once swore they never made sequels.

They're losing money hand over fist with Ebony Sistas Philosophy Network. And ABC isn't doing as well as it once was.

The fall of Disney is beautiful. And I'm watching every moment with Glee.


while I'd love it if you were right...
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/dis/stock-chart?intraday=off&timeframe=10y&splits=off&earnings=off&movingaverage=None&lowerstudy=volume&comparison=off&index=&drilldown=off

Blogger EMyrt May 28, 2017 12:45 PM  

a_peraspera wrote:"the core problem with the current Jedi is that it strains credibility for them to take on armies; just a little too absurd to be taken seriously."

YES. In the original movies a Force user/Jedi was a cut above a normal human, but not godlike. A little bit of telekinesis, a few minor mental tricks ("these aren't the droids you're looking for"), and some enhanced intuition that enabled them to evade attacks. That was it.

Later on Jedi became gravity-defying uber-ninjas, leaping and spinning in the air, deflecting dozens of laser blasts while cutting apart legions of mooks. Then there's the way Anakin could fall literally half a mile and catch a speeding aircraft. Ridiculous.



that's what happens when FX technology drives the creative process.

Blogger VD May 28, 2017 12:49 PM  

VD, then you and the commentariat might enjoy this:

I did indeed. But I was with your husband. I was out after Phantom Menace. I even gave up on the games.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 28, 2017 12:56 PM  

I even gave up on the games.

Sperging out over KotoR about to begin.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky May 28, 2017 1:10 PM  

I'm convinced that Carrie Fisher was the glue who held it all together, especially after the details emerged after her death about how she was quietly one of Hollywood's goto screenplay fixers. She even wrote background stories of Alec Guinness, to help him get into the role that he thought was a total joke.

Lucas proved during the prequels that he has no idea how to pull off a movie, really. Those were so bad. Absent Carrie there to fix it up he was a lost man.

And now we're going to get Star Wars continually commoditized even further by corporate committees over at Disney. Too much is riding on the franchise for it to be otherwise. If something great emerges from all this it will be a miracle. A thankful miracle, but a miracle nonetheless.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2017 1:17 PM  

Luckily, the Power Rangers franchise is coming up to replace the Star Wars debacle.

Blogger Matt May 28, 2017 1:28 PM  

Haha would have made the whole terrible movie worth it if Luke had shown up in the snow. But there was no lead up to that shit moment.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 1:41 PM  

I'm honestly not trying to troll anyone. The fact that Luke has apparently figured out that the Jedi need to be exterminated... well I find that intriguing because there is a logical and compelling argument for that to be made. If sissy hot pants is going to resist Luke's wishes to annihilate the Jedi that could get interesting especially if Luke becomes wishy-washy about it.

Now that does not overcome the fact that Disney has already ruined what was left of the franchise. I was merely pointing it out, and besides we really don't know for sure that's what Luke is moving towards because we've only heard one line from one trailer that I'm aware of...

Anonymous Sam the Man May 28, 2017 1:49 PM  

#61

I hate to tell you this, but the modern version of true grit was less PC and Hollywood then the 1967 version. It was a lot truer to the book as well.

1) The gunfighter is closer to 40 than 60. He was not the 60 year old like John Wayne was.

2) The Gunfighter had a thing for the girl, demonstrated by his ride to get her to the doctor when bitten by the snake, but once she loses her arm he loses interest and disappears. Kind of true to life, hardly the go-girl stories.

3) The book is like Hamlet, in as much as the girl messes up her life by wanting to have vengeance. She gets it but at the price of giving up a lot of life's possibilities. The end burying scene shows it all without verbalizing anything.

4) The 1967 one ends with the spunky girl going off on a happy life, with no consequences to her search for vengeance. Hollywood ending.

Read the original book and then compare the two versions. The new one was much better, reflected reality better and had a timeless Christian moral lesson the first lacked.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 1:59 PM  

"The dark side muddles their force powers."

Ha-ha yeah okay... Hell, an interdimensionally teleported Inspector Clouseau from the Pink Panther movies could have figured out something was amiss with Palpatine, no white-hat force powers needed!

The Jedi are the most overrated heroes in all movie history. It is what it is.

Blogger Johnny May 28, 2017 2:12 PM  

@75. Sam the Man

Well whatever. I got off on the current True Grit more than the John Wayne version. Somehow that seemed too contrived and lockstep for me to go along. Plus never a John Wayne fan.

John Wayne stayed with the young man action hero role way longer than he should have. In his very first scene in The Green Berets, he had to run a little and was so old and out of breath that he could hardly do it. You can even see him starting from a dead stop at the start because they wanted as much time of him running as could be had, so they left the clip overlong. I am not usually that fussy, but an ancient easily out of breath guy playing a young guy... Couldn't handle it.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 28, 2017 2:13 PM  

Star Wars was great 40 years ago. What none of the dufuses making the reboots understand is one of the big reason it was great was because it went against the grain of movies at the time. Everybody else was making angst-ridden depressive crap that all should've had soundtracks done by Tracy Chapman. Hollywood had let the autists run loose and they were deep into subversive movies that, even when they were good, left the audience feeling bad. Nobody walked out of a movie theater in the early 70's smiling and full of energy. They came out of theaters wondering what the hell was wrong with their civilization.

Then along came Lucas. For all his blunders, the got something right, and it's right there in the sub-title: A New Hope.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) May 28, 2017 2:13 PM  

74. The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 1:41 PM
The fact that Luke has apparently figured out that the Jedi need to be exterminated



as you were honest enough to acknowledge in your first post, that's not a 'fact', you're making an inference.

and, while i agree that in the retarded Lucas-ian original theology of the franchise ( balance uber alles, which means there can be TOO MUCH Light Side ), an excellent case can be made that the Sith could not exist if the Jedi order wasn't around. i seriously doubt that Disney and Jew Jew Abrams have the balls to do a Heel Turn with the only remaining member of the original trio ( Fisher is dead for realz, Solo is movie dead ).



74. The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 1:41 PM
If sissy hot pants is going to resist Luke's wishes to annihilate the Jedi



see, this is why i don't have ANY confidence in your analysis.

Luke is the only 'Jedi' in existence. he's been the ONLY 'Jedi' alive since Yoda ghosted in Empire.

IF Luke decides that the Jedi have to be "ended"
THEN there are two viable solutions:
a - suicide
b - go to the Dark Side

heck, your hypothesis actually gives a movie coherent reason why sissy hot pants is so ridiculously over powered and Force skilled with zero training;
Luke has gone Dark Side ( thus leaving no counterbalance for Snoke on the Light Side ) and the Universe is trying to spontaneously create a countervailing faction ... literally she's the ultimate Deus ex machina.

but even Lucas didn't have the coherence to pull that off. Jew Jew and his third rate cohorts at Disney certainly aren't going to go that direction ... simply because it would make logical sense.

Blogger szopen May 28, 2017 2:26 PM  

After watching the reboot, I decided not to watch Rogue - what do other think, is it worth a shot or is it toxic too?

Blogger Kentucky Headhunter May 28, 2017 2:34 PM  

@ 71 She even wrote background stories of Alec Guinness, to help him get into the role that he thought was a total joke.

19yo Carrie Fischer was writing background stories to help Alec Guinness get into character?

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 2:35 PM  

"i seriously doubt that Disney and Jew Jew Abrams have the balls to do a Heel Turn with the only remaining member of the original trio ( Fisher is dead for realz, Solo is movie dead )."

You know, I recall having a boozy conversation on a Florida beach years ago with an acquiescence who was convinced that Luke was really a Sith because he wore all black in RTJ. He claimed he had inside knowledge that Lucas had always intended to turn Luke to the dark side at one point. I strongly suspect this was all planned way before JewJew or Disney got involved and now they are hinting at realizing it. JewJew and Tinkerbell may also be transforming Luke into a white-guilt-male-meme-that-must-make-reparations kind of character, while sissy hot pants will save the Jedi by foiling his plot to grovel and self-immolate by turning the Jedi full minority and sissy friendly.

"heck, your hypothesis actually gives a movie coherent reason why sissy hot pants is so ridiculously over powered and Force skilled with zero training."

That hypothesis has always been ridiculous & nothing I could say nor anyone else could save it. If the Force was trying to create a counter-balance, it would have chosen someone more fitting than Miss Sissy grab-bag spaceship parts.

Anonymous Sharrukin May 28, 2017 2:36 PM  

80. szopen

After watching the reboot, I decided not to watch Rogue - what do other think, is it worth a shot or is it toxic too?

It's boring with cardboard characters.

I hear the space battle was pretty good but I couldn't even make it to that part.

Anonymous JAG May 28, 2017 2:53 PM  

MongoJimmy wrote:True Grit is another classic pre-PC film neutered by the Commies. The original starred John Wayne, Kim Darby, Robert Duvall, Glem Campbell, Dennis Hopper et al. But even Jeff Bridges couldn't salvage the insipid leftist makeover.

Agreed, it was friggin' horrible. i should have known because Matt Damon was in it which guarantees SJW film. Still, I stupidly gave it a chance, the last chance I have given modern Hollywood. These days I don't go to movies anymore, watch 99.9% less television than I used to, and only really play video games from companies that have not been converged yet for my fantasy escape.

I have this theory that around mid 1987 I somehow slipped into an alternate reality. I don't belong here in this dystopia. I want my original universe back!

OpenID frankluke May 28, 2017 2:53 PM  

@80

I watched both. I smiled once during "Mary Sue Awakens." I enjoyed Rogue One as an action/popcorn movie. Nothing big to think about afterwards, just a decent team-movie who sacrifices it all to get what the rebellion needs. There was also a definite Vietnam movie vibe in the battle scenes.

Anonymous JAG May 28, 2017 2:58 PM  

The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan wrote:"The dark side muddles their force powers."

Ha-ha yeah okay... Hell, an interdimensionally teleported Inspector Clouseau from the Pink Panther movies could have figured out something was amiss with Palpatine, no white-hat force powers needed!

The Jedi are the most overrated heroes in all movie history. It is what it is.


I cheered when Mace Windu gets killed which was the only scene I enjoyed in EP3, and because I hate Sam Jackson enough to want to fight the prick if I ever meet him. Not only that, but his character was stupid, poorly written, and poorly acted.

Blogger JP May 28, 2017 3:07 PM  

Valerian root is what insomniacs use to fall asleep. I can see the parodies now...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2017 3:21 PM  

I liked Rogue One a lot, because setting it in the time frame right before ANH left little room for SJW garbage. If I were magically transported to that universe, I'd have a hard time joining the Rebellion.

Blogger Chris McCullough May 28, 2017 3:30 PM  

Genndy Tartakovsky managed to salvage somthing of the Clone wars, maybe he could do the same with the new crap.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 4:15 PM  

There's some none-too subtle denigration of whiteness in the beginning of that article. Mark Hamill, the author thought, couldn't have been nerdish as a kid because he was a "pretty boy." Okay, that's a commonplace supposition. Not that you're required to be unattractive in order to enjoy Ray Harryhausen movies or read Superman comics. That's something all kinds of people do.

But then we going deeper into journalist David Kamp's sick mind, and we hear he imagined a young Hamill with a Bjorn Borg poster on his wall and no interior life. As if, first of all, being a nerd means you think and feel deeper than regular humans. Aesthetically pleasing people are basically automatons, amiright? And of course there's an unbreakable connection between a rich emotional and intellectual life and consuming sci-fi entertainment.

Why pick Borg, of all things? There's the dumb jock angle, I guess. But a European tennis player? That's too sophisticated for a Vanity Fair journalist's stereotype of a dumb jock. Better to go with a poster of a can of Budweiser, or something.

I'll tell you why he picked Borg: Borg is Swedish, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Hamill, being a handsome white boy with blonde hair, probably came off to David Kamp like an Aryan posterboy. Therefore, he would have an Aryan-loolimg athlete postered on his wall. And of course attractive, blonde white boys don't have interior lives, because that only comes from alienation and inferiority.

How long before people start shaming this crap out of existence?

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) May 28, 2017 4:22 PM  

81. Kentucky Headhunter May 28, 2017 2:34 PM
19yo Carrie Fischer was writing background stories to help Alec Guinness get into character?


letches gonna letch.

remember, Lucas had her running around the set without a bra for much of the Ep4 shooting because "there's no underwear in space".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvVUMW_iUlw

now:
Alec needs help?
OR
Alec *the actor* pretends to need help ... from the cute little hottie with tits begging to be free?

coincidence? i think not.



82. The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan May 28, 2017 2:35 PM
Lucas had always intended to turn Luke to the dark side at one point.



*shrugs*

it doesn't take much researching to find out that Lucas had NO fricking clue what he was doing. he's talked about doing pretty much everything with the movies ... and 95% of what he talks about never comes close to making it to film.

as a for instance, his public comments ( pre-Empire ) indicate that he had no idea himself that Luke and Leia were sibs. seems a rather large plot point to be unaware of, if you really had a Grand Design from the get go.

and Luke going Dark Side would fit in with JewJew's complete lack of originality ( lifting every single story element from the original trilogy ).

however, from the meta story telling perspective, Luke has to train sissy hot pants in the Force ...
therefore, no Heel turn to the Dark Side is even possible for Skywalker until after Luke completes the Yoda training sequence from Empire.


alternatively, Rey is Luke's daughter ... and Luke makes an incest play on her like he did on Leia.

nah.

who could imagine a ((( Hollywood ))) director doing a storyline like that?

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 4:42 PM  

@79-"in the retarded Lucas-ian original theology of the franchise ( balance uber alles, which means there can be TOO MUCH Light Side"

That's not how I took it. "Balance" means there's no one exploiting the Dark Side. Darth Vader brought balance to the force by killing the Emperor and himself in the process, right?

Of course, this was never explained clearly. So I'm guessing.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 4:47 PM  

@79-"IF Luke decides that the Jedi have to be 'ended'
THEN there are two viable solutions:
a - suicide
b - go to the Dark Side"

Or:
c - hang out on an island in the middle of nowhere and don't train anyone so the Jedi order dies with you.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 4:55 PM  

@82-"I recall having a boozy conversation on a Florida beach years ago with an acquiescence who was convinced that Luke was really a Sith because he wore all black in RTJ"

I can't rule that out, but bear in mind Return of the Jedi was made before the franchise was dumbed down to the level of the prequels, where all Siths wore black, used red lightsaber, and were called "darth." Or all Jedi wore robes suspiciously like those commonly worn on a desert planet like Tatooine.

Luke's costume, I think, was supposed to speak to the fact that his character had matured and gotten less foolhardy and more no-nonsense.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 5:04 PM  

@92-"Luke makes an incest play on her like he did on Leia"

That never happened. Leia kissed Luke at least twice: for luck when in Star Wars, and to make Han Solo jealous in Empire. Maybe they kissed when he got back from blowing up the Death Star; I can't remember. In any case, Luke never made a move on her.

Blogger lowercaseb May 28, 2017 5:11 PM  

“I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’”

This is heartbreaking...and also confirms my respect for Hamill as a professional.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 5:14 PM  

@26-It's much more specific than that. If it were a matter of all Star Wars movies being WWII-style Space Operas, that'd be one thing. Because there are plenty of stories to tell within those parameters. Just like within the Western genre you can go from Unforgiven to McClintock!

Lightsabers, Death Stars, Skywalker family drama, stormtroopers, and endless references to previous movies being in every Star Wars movies cannot make a genre like guns, open space, horses, and different colored hats made Westerners.

Blogger WarKicker May 28, 2017 5:18 PM  

"After watching the reboot, I decided not to watch Rogue - what do other think, is it worth a shot or is it toxic too?"

I think it's worth it. The latter half much better than the first. It was also refreshing to see Darth Vader behaving badly like the near sociopathic Sith he became (evolving from his annoying borderline personality disorder he demonstrated in the prequels), cutting down rebel soldiers, one especially brutally, before the Tantive IV escaped. This is a nice contrast to the funny, but tiring Darth Vader memes all over the internet.

Blogger camperbot May 28, 2017 5:28 PM  

But it's soooo dense, there are so many things going on in the frame at once!

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 5:30 PM  

The JJ Abrams gang excluded Luke from the movie, except as a phony plot device, why? Because the didn't trust Hamill to carry a significant portion of the movie? Maybe. But also because I think they fundamentally misunderstand Star Wars. They get that it's supposed to be exciting and feel like a real movie, as opposed to the prequels,which felt like high school stage productions/video games. But that's about it.

They wanted to build a Mystery around "What happened to Luke?" And not just a mystery, but a multi-film mystery. So that there's no actual resolution within Farce Awakens, and Luke might as well not have been in it at all. They did the sane thing with the mystery of Rey's childhood, which probably will be entangled with Luke in future movies. I, for one, didn't care because I somehow knew they weren't going to tell us anything about Rey's past. She might as well have been a Nameless Stranger character.

What does all this mystery have to do with Star Wars? What was mysterious about the original movies? Not much. We didn't know who Obi Wan was, at first. Then we did, several minutes later. Our main characters were mystified by the Death Star at first, and its properties were revealed to them slowly. But the audience knew exactly what it was. The movie showed us in the first act.

Later, we were surprised that Darrh Vader was Luke's father, but that came out of the blue. We took Obi Wan at his word when he said Darth Vader killed Luke's father. So no mystery there.

The prequels did have a giant mystery, at least from the characters' perspective. Namely, the "phantom menace" that was turning the republic into an empire But the audience knew who and what Palpatine was from the beginning, didn't they? I mean, I thought we were supposed to know. Which unfortunately made the rest of the characters come off as morons.

To steal a line from Red Letter Media, you're not making the Usual Suspects. We don't watch Star Wars movies to be misled and then surprised by a twist. Especially if the reveal doesn't happen for three damn years while we wait for the next movie. IF we wait.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 5:43 PM  

@15-'Course, that's what they said about the Spielberg/Lucas blockbusters in the '70s. Popcorn movies. They put asses in the seats, but don't fill the soul, or whatever.

And they were right, in a way. Jaws and Star Wars are great movies not because they're great art. It's because they're expertly manipulative and hit the audience right in the feelz.

People widely misunderstand Lucas' anthropological pretensions, I think. It's not so much about tapping into archetypes so as to be timeless and speak to the human condition, or whatever. He wasn't Aeschylus or Milton or Melville. He was seeking the simplest possible way to connect with the audience. What's the story behind Story, so I can make people care about Flash Gordon despite the fact that I don't have much money and can't write dialogue.

It was partly magic in a bottle that he got people to care about the characters, and that the story resonated as it did. But so does McDonald's. The thing is, you can always go stupider, more superficial, and more grossly manipulative. Trashy mainstream movies now make Star Wars look like High Art, I admit.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados May 28, 2017 6:17 PM  

They threw out a lot of the expanded universe. That alone didn't help. They could have just gone way into the future and alluded to things and started from scratch. But they did the worst of all possible things.

As a movie, The Force Awakens is good on a technical and superficial level, and I do like it, but on the other hand, it's also got serious underlying story issues that are similar to the ones that the prequels had.

Personally, throwing out the expanded universe was a HUGE mistake. It'd be like starting off all the marvel movies and then throwing out all the comic books and saying they were going to do their own thing completely. They've got spin-offs and TV shows on top of their movies. Star Wars could have EASILY done the same with some of the expanded universe stuff.

All they've done is burn a fat pile of easy money that they could have made.

Blogger VD May 28, 2017 6:21 PM  

You guys are nuts

Shut up, Tad. Seriously, who do you think you are fooling?

Blogger Geoarrge May 28, 2017 6:25 PM  

My way of making sense of Star Wars is to say that Yoda was basically the quintessential cuckservative white knight. There was corruption in the Senate long before an actual Sith Lord rose to the top. But the Jedi chose to look the other way, let the pageantry of civilized governance go on because actually investigating politicians for crimes might pave the way for the dreaded Galactic Banana Republic. Much better to leave all that in the dark and let them blackmail each other in private.

Anonymous Eli May 28, 2017 7:15 PM  

As a one time big Star Wars fan it really bums me out to see what it has become under the Mouse. It's good to see at least something being made that is an alternative.

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 28, 2017 8:20 PM  

Geoarrge wrote:My way of making sense of Star Wars is to say that Yoda was basically the quintessential cuckservative white knight. There was corruption in the Senate long before an actual Sith Lord rose to the top. But the Jedi chose to look the other way, let the pageantry of civilized governance go on because actually investigating politicians for crimes might pave the way for the dreaded Galactic Banana Republic. Much better to leave all that in the dark and let them blackmail each other in private.

IIRC in the novels during the Palpatine fight Yoda realized he had become attached to the Jedi Order. He tried to preserve the Order instead of listening to the Force.

Blogger Michael Maier May 28, 2017 9:16 PM  

Ugh... Disney's screwed themselves. They cannot write a good reason Luke wussed out and let evil conquer the universe any more than Marvel could write a good reason that a whispered phrase in Thor's ear "made him unworthy" of wielding his own hammer.

Anonymous MongoJimmy May 28, 2017 10:15 PM  

At least Mel Gibson is still swingin'. Hacksaw Ridge, Get the Gringo and Blood Father are all entertaining, unflinchingly violent films that yet celebrate Christian values. In a just world Mighty Mel would be given a Star Wars feature to direct, write and/or star in.

Anonymous RedJack May 28, 2017 10:43 PM  

Rouge was OK, but Force Awakens killed Stars Wars for me. Much like Crystal Skull killed Indiana Jones.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2017 10:48 PM  

@107-"they cannot write a good reason Luke wussed out and let evil conquer the universe"

Isn't that what Obi Wan and Yoda did? Upon the Emperor's rise they hid out on faraway planets waiting 20 years for Luke to come to them. Because it's the most obvious thing I can think of, I assumed that's what they'd do in the coming movies. Luke was just hanging out, listening to his feelings, waiting for a Chosen One to ask have m for help.

Of course, I screw up which group is the rebellion and which is the official power in the new series. The empire was overthrown, so I would assume the republicans are seen as more legitimate. Despite having a more explodinger Death Star, the evil group is presented as being like ISIS or some sort of militia. Why would Luke run from them? The Emperor, okay, he's scary. But Darth Emo and the scaredy-cat black stormtrooper? Big deal.

That was a consequence of choosing to remake the original Star Wars. The good guys had to send like the rebels. For some reason they didn't want to explain how the republic fell, if it did, leaving me confused. It also made Luke look like more of a pussy than necessary.

I guess we'll be given some explanation for why he didn't murder his nephew and get it over with, besides the fact that it'd hurt his sister's feelings. (I'm not sure Han Solo had feelings anymore.) He'll try to redeem Kylo Ren's soul by turning him to the Light Side, just like he did with daddy. Or some crap like that.

"It's like poetry, sort of. They rhyme."
-George Lucas

Blogger Flair1239 May 28, 2017 10:59 PM  

I won't read the new Dune books and I won't watch the new Star Wars movies. The prequels were awful and I shudder to think just how bad the new movies must be.

Blogger DJ | AMDG May 28, 2017 11:13 PM  

I believe this is why Lucas first gave Alan Dean Foster rights to write Splinter of the Mind's Eye, but then quickly (relative to back then in publishing) pulled support for the book, claimed it wasn't canonical, and eventually pressured to have it put out of print.

Blogger Chris McCullough May 28, 2017 11:30 PM  

It always struck me as strange that Star Wars never got its own Saturday morning cartoon when it came about in an era when Robocop to Rambo to Police Academy got their own shows.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 28, 2017 11:51 PM  

Chris McCullough wrote:It always struck me as strange that Star Wars never got its own Saturday morning cartoon when it came about in an era when Robocop to Rambo to Police Academy got their own shows.

Obviously, you don't remember Droids or Ewoks. I think either of those ran less than a full season order on ABC (ironically enough).

As for the recent films, I have to echo some of the folks here with regards to Rogue One. I thought it was an interesting take on the universe, and it made sense to work with the back story leading up to the original film. Could it have been better? Of course. Then again, I enjoyed Edwards' work on Godzilla back in 2014, and didn't find that to be overly preachy or any crap like that (I mean, come on, the King of the Monsters takes out most of San Francisco; how do you NOT see the irony in that?).

I'm following a friend's advice from when the prequel trilogy was still under production and apply it to the current one; that is I'm going to wait and see how the rest of the story unfolds. Yeah, I get that this first one was a blatant rehash of the original film. You could technically say it's the only one that Kasdan didn't have a hand in writing initially. I also think the thread of the SJW/Mary Sue is a bridge too far, if only because that was originally established in the original film with the character of Leia. She openly shuns the mantle of royalty that everyone in the group perceives her to have from the minute she appears on screen. My initial reaction to Rey is pretty much "whatever". If that's the way they want to go with it, they'll live or die with it in the end.

I have to chuckle at Hammil's initial response to Johnson's script. Most of us here tend to forget that Mark's a bit of a true believer. Much like the rest of his brethren, he's not above taking pot shots at the God Emperor because muh feels. I mean, this guy wanted to have the mother of his bastard grandchild abort her, just because his son was an idiot and knocked her up. Literally pressured her into doing it, which, thankfully, she didn't. Good on her for telling farmboy what's what. But I digress.

Blogger Thanks, J. May 29, 2017 12:38 AM  

You want Gray Jedi and midichlorians to put the nails in the coffin and bury SW I take it, VD(?) Sadly, probably a majority of movie goers, and, even worse, SW fans will like the Gray Jedi thing. Online people seem quite receptive to this revisionism and they think it more interesting and "realistic", etc.

Anonymous Luke May 29, 2017 3:30 AM  

Semi-OT: why has Hollywood never attempted an A movie version of Doc Smith's "Lensman" series? Hot redhead, bad guys that NEED to die, galactic space battles THAT USE THE POWER OF A FRICKING STAR, psychic powers, badass aliens -- what's not to like?

Anonymous DirkH May 29, 2017 5:25 AM  

Didn't watch the newer installments (only Redlettermedia and E;R about them). So I wondered, do they already insert gayness? And the answer, they haven't yet but they will. Which makes sense after starting with the black stormtrooper.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/631460/star-wars-gay-romance-who-is-gay-poe-finn-rey-star-wars-gay-character

So next I want a better representation of alcoholics. Johnny Depp as the captain of a pirate death star. And Scarlett Johansson as C3PO, to represent the botoxed.

Blogger William Hudson May 29, 2017 9:05 AM  

I hope this is somewhat On Topic. I'm getting really tired of Kek memes all over the Alt-Right's cyberspace. However, since I don't want to disrespect God Almighty with my praise, thank KEK for what I consider to be at least 3 decent sci-fi movies from MARVEL: "Capt. Amer. Winter Soldier", & the two best, "Guardians of the Galaxy" 1 and 2. Saw #2 yesterday and was completely awed all over again.

G. Lucas (33rd Degree) was always crapping around with "Star Wars" and it was pure blind luck, plus "borrowing" ideas from everyone & everything that got him as far as it did. I will say, though, that I was blown away by the originals, especially as I had a front row center seat for the opening day of "Star Wars" in my hometown back in 1977.

Blogger marco moltisanti May 29, 2017 10:41 AM  

@102 "Personally, throwing out the expanded universe was a HUGE mistake."

I never read any of the expanded universe stuff, but didn't Han Solo play a huge part? There was no way Harrison Ford was going to agree to more than one more movie. He hates Star Wars, as did Carrie Fisher. I guess they could have done some major rewrites to kill Han in the EU too, but still.

Blogger EMyrt May 30, 2017 9:11 AM  

Jack Amok May 28, 2017 2:13 PM
Star Wars was great 40 years ago. What none of the dufuses making the reboots understand is one of the big reason it was great was because it went against the grain of movies at the time.

Indeed, see this:
https://medium.com/@ellenmmartin/a-farewell-to-star-wars-a-memoir-of-love-and-disillusionment-on-the-40th-anniversary-of-star-wars-f400249fe6dd


Blogger EMyrt May 30, 2017 9:15 AM  

VD, then you and the commentariat might enjoy this:

I did indeed. But I was with your husband. I was out after Phantom Menace. I even gave up on the games.

Thanks, glad you liked it!

Good call on that--the third installment was ok, but the second one was all the things that are wrong with the franchise. I never got into the games, just listened to ecstatic reviews from my factotum.

Blogger EMyrt May 30, 2017 9:24 AM  

81. Kentucky Headhunter May 28, 2017 2:34 PM
19yo Carrie Fischer was writing background stories to help Alec Guinness get into character?
now:
Alec needs help?

Since all he did was reprise his Marcus Aurelius schtick from Fall of the Roman Empire in monk's robes, I doubt he gave the matter much thought.
Lech for Leia? Eh, maybe, but she was getting screwed by Harrison already.

Blogger Jack Burton May 30, 2017 10:00 AM  

So I got through the first atrocity by JJ "This Room Is Horrifically White" Abrams, but didn't like it at all. I thought Rogue One would be better, but it was so bad I actually just stopped watching it about 30 mins in. It was so boring with bad acting and cliche humor that I just had to stop the mental assault. That's what happens when corporate mammonites turn a classic into a poor imitation that is artistically void and only exploits people's sense of nostalgia.

Blogger B.J. May 30, 2017 11:32 AM  

I'm not sure why people say Rogue one is good. It's not worth watching at all. The biggest problem is it has no reason to exist; you already know how it ends and it adds nothing to the overall story at all. Who cares who the rebel spies were who stole the death star plans? It's just a footnote in Ep. 4 so why bother making a movie out of it. Because money, but surely there were more Star Wars stories to mine that didn't involve this level of prostitution.

-Movie is overly convoluted for a simple plot and has bad character. It meanders around for 60 minutes trying to set up it's characters and totally fails. We come out of the first act with no real idea of who Jin is except she loves her dad. Okay. We don't know or understand Forest Whitaker's weird old man character, we don't understand the blind kung fu guy or his protector dude, we don't even understand the reprogrammed imperial robot or stupid engineer guy. We aren't given a reason to like any of these people or care about them at all. First they are fighting the stormtroopers then they are fighting each other then they are captured then they all run away and Forest whitaker kills himself while wheezing for air. It's so strange.

I kept thinking of how Captain America did the multi-ethnic commando team thing better. Just the single line from Dum Dum Dugan "One day Fritz I'm going to have a stick of my own" has way more character and personality than ANY of the weirdo freak team in Rogue One.

-Too many villains. Besides having the main bad guy who kills Jin's parents--whose name I didn't even hear--it has Cartoon Peter Cushing and Darth Fucking Vader, because shut up that's why. Maybe one scene at the very beginning where the bad guy gets his marching orders would have been fine, but all the stuff about Imperial politicking is a stupid waste of time and makes no sense. Were they trying to make the audience feel bad for the villain when Peter Cushing steals the credit for the Death Star? What the fuck.

-Jin and all the other characters are given way too many accolades and dramatic moments without earning them. She's been a complete nobody for 70% of the film and then yet she gives a dramatic speech to a room full of generals and leaders with 1000 times more experience then her but they're all too dumb to listen, and then a bunch of other random extras are so impressed with her speech they join her, and then everyone just goes along anyway. It's almost like all the heroic leaders involved in the death star mission from A new hope were turned into incompetant boobs who need a plucky 20-year-old hollywood starlet to teach them how to do war. Give me a break.

The movie's other character moments are totally unearned. There is a scene where we are told the robot doesn't get a gun because reasons. Then at the end of the movie Jin gives him a gun and the movie stops and makes it seem like this super dramatic heartfelt moment where the robot has earned the trust of the whole team. Except he hasn't at all, he's the exact same person he was at the beginning when they decided it wasn't worth the risk to arm him. Nothing has changed at all but now they suddenly are trusting him so yay teamwork and love and tolerance I guess. It seemed in that moment a totally practical thing to do, people were shooting at him so he needed a gun to defend himself, why try to make it into something more than what it was?

Practically every character gets a scene like this were they have a dramatic hero moment and they all suck. I was not sad at all when they all died at the end (*spoilers* Everyone dies.)

Anonymous Joe Author May 30, 2017 8:02 PM  

In the end, people will watch what they want to watch, create what they want to create. We have the choice to view it or not view it.

Blogger Thucydides May 31, 2017 11:52 PM  

The Empire Strikes Back is my nomination for the best Star Wars movie. Everything after that declined into the unmitigated crap that is being pushed out today.

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