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Tuesday, June 06, 2017

Alt-Right or else

Even Rod Dreher is being forced to admit that the Alt-Right is inevitable now:
  1. I agree with Siegel that we can’t go on like this. Something has to give. It might not give next year, or ten years from now, but we can’t muddle through forever.
  2. The rising Left is bound and determined to crush or at least permanently sideline people it deems heretics — in particular, whites, males, orthodox Christians, and skeptics of the LGBT project. It does not want a pluralistic modus vivendi; it wants total domination. The establishment Left lacks the will to stop them. Its members are terrified of appearing un-woke. All a major corporation has to do to buy off the Left is declare itself in favor of Pride, and so forth.
  3. The establishment Right lacks the will to stop them either, for fear of being called bigots. And it lacks the will or the imagination to stand in any way against corporate interests. It tried to stop Donald Trump, but failed.
  4. Neither Republicans nor Democrats know how to address the conditions that gave rise to the Trump presidency. It would offend too many interests within their respective coalitions.
  5. Trump is a reckless man whose presidency is going to end badly for America. It will also end badly for the people who voted for him; he has no principles except self-promotion, and will sell them out. He also will not be able to get anything serious done, in part because of his total lack of discipline. Trump is a symptom of our political crisis, not a solution.
  6. The real glue holding the dynamic Left together is hatred of the Other. You can see this in part from the Dissent editors’ unwillingness to explore any kind of alliance around economic issues with the right-wing dissidents of American Affairs. For them, the culture war is of such paramount importance that it precludes economic-based alliances.
  7. The real glue holding the dynamic Right together is hatred of the Other. The American Affairs guys would like to suspend the culture war and make common cause with the economic Left, but the Left is not interested.
  8. Christianity, in whatever diluted form, was for most of America’s history the ties that bound us together (whether or not we were Christians). Those days are gone.  Liberalism, in the broadest historical sense, is secularized Christianity, and as such is parasitic on Christianity. When Christianity disappears, as it has largely done in Europe and is well on its way to doing in the United States, it takes with it the basis on which liberalism operates. Laws and procedures alone do not hold a people together.
  9. In a post-Christian nation like ours, there is no realistic hope that religion is going to hold the nation together, or even the forces of the Right. The faith that the old Religious Right (= politicized white Evangelicals) has placed in Donald Trump is self-deceptive, to put it mildly.
  10. As American politics becomes more extreme on both sides, serious Christians will be squeezed out. A significant number of conservative Christians will give themselves over to a Christianized version of blood-and-soil politics. The uncritical embrace of Trumpism by many conservative Christians today opens the door to this.
  11. The future of American politics is highly uncertain. Christians have to do the best they can to fight for moral values in our politics, and in particular for religious liberty. But the “imperium” — meaning the American political order — is probably beyond saving at this point.
  12. The most important thing by far to be conserved is the orthodox Christian faith — and that entails a particular set of moral beliefs and customs, including the traditional family.
  13. Contemporary American life is corrosive to this end in many ways, not all of which are understood by the Christian Right at the moment, mostly because they still confuse Christianity with The American Way Of Life™.
  14. Those orthodox Christians who understand the radical nature of the crisis before us will devote themselves to building up their faith, communities, institutions, and ways of life to be resilient and resolute in the face of American decline. I call this the Benedict Option. The politics of the future may be more left-wing or right-wing, but they will be increasingly anti-Christian. Keeping our heads clear and our hearts stout during this long time of trial will be the most important task facing Christians in this new Dark Age. We too will have to bind ourselves together more tightly to Jesus Christ and to each other in his church.
Bottom line: Identity politics will dissolve the traditional bonds that have held Americans together, and re-bind forces of the Left and forces on the Right to each other.
The Left has nothing. It has no truth in it. The mainstream Right has more, but it is cowardly and shies away from the truth wherever and whenever the facts become too uncomfortable for it to acknowledge.

That is why there is no other option. Alt-Right or else.

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127 Comments:

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 06, 2017 7:04 PM  

Astonishing. Even black dudes like Rod are starting to come around!

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 06, 2017 7:08 PM  

he almost made it to 16 points.

Anonymous Camilla Cameo June 06, 2017 7:12 PM  

"a Christianized version of blood-and-soil politics"

He says that like it's a bad thing.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 06, 2017 7:12 PM  

Rod Dreher's articles are like college girls selfies. Superficially interesting but no substance.

He's gonna need a lot of sauce to go with his Benedict. The alt-Right doesn't need sauce. We haz chili.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 06, 2017 7:16 PM  

Dreher's such a greenhouse flower. Dissent turns out to be some old leftard rag and American Affairs is a newer thinktanker. Both probably have circulation in the high hundreds. If Rod's pals and the leftards got together, nobody would notice.

How many crying towels does he go through in a day?

Blogger Matthew June 06, 2017 7:24 PM  

I cannot bring myself to read anything Dreher writes. My eyes skip off the text. I find this often to be true with liars.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 06, 2017 7:24 PM  

How many crying towels does he go through in a day?

At least a roll or three. Dindu-Dreher bawls almost as much as Cheetoze-Jeezus does. Cuck to the core.

Blogger SteelPalm June 06, 2017 7:24 PM  

Clearly, Rod's 14 Cuck Points are a shitty, pale imitation of the 16 Points.

Revealing that even when he is describing something moderately approximating the truth, he constantly has to virtue-signal his deep hatred of the God-Emperor and his supporters.

And it's endlessly hilarious when worthless, hack journalist losers like Rod Dreher claim a self-made billionaire and the most improbable President ever "lacks discipline".

It's like a middle-aged fatass who hasn't exercised since grade school criticizing JJ Watt for being out of shape.

Blogger RCR_Chris June 06, 2017 7:26 PM  

Dreher's a jackass.

"[President Trump] also will not be able to get anything serious done, in part because of his total lack of discipline."

Right, Demoncrats, GOP cucks, the MSM, and conservative talking heads working feverishly to block every meaningful action the God Emperor takes have nothing to do with it.

It's mostly a billionaire's "lack of discipline".

Got it.


"The most important thing by far to be conserved is the orthodox Christian faith..."

Thank God that isn't up to "conservatives", who can't conserve anything.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 06, 2017 7:26 PM  

@1 LOL!

What caught my eye besides Rod's grudging admission, tacit albeit, that Alt Right is the wave of the future was his writing about the new flamer jerseys for the USMNT and USWNT.

I hereby say Enough of the homo #reclaimtherainbow!

Anonymous BluePony June 06, 2017 7:29 PM  

Aaaaaaand, at mile marker #5, right off the rails, over the cliff, tumbling down the rapids, over the waterfall and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. I guess there was a #6 and onward. Didn't bother.

Blogger praetorian June 06, 2017 7:33 PM  

14 points...

188 occurrences of the letter 'h'...

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/ O U R G U Y /

Blogger Ransom Smith June 06, 2017 7:35 PM  

He was so close to stumbling into a real analysis of the situation. But forced himself to cucking out.

Guess he really dindu nuffin

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 06, 2017 7:39 PM  

For even deeper pools of retardation follow the link to Dreher's crying room, then follow the links to the other discussion of the "Dissent - American Affairs" debate. Before your eyes totally glaze over see how many 90's libtard cliches you can spot, I got over 15 before I couldn't take it any more.

It's a huge echo chamber. They chant their slogans back and forth, never noticing the contradictions. Gender is a social construct but sexuality is inborn except when it's not? Lulz, they do luv science!

Wish I'd been able to attend with a MAGA hat on my head.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 06, 2017 7:39 PM  

Dreher's #8 is absolutely on the money.

Blogger tuberman June 06, 2017 7:43 PM  

14.
"Dreher's #8 is absolutely on the money."

As someone once said, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Blogger exfarmkid June 06, 2017 7:45 PM  

Dreher does seem to be sort of coming around to something less .... aggravating.

We shall see if his thinking progresses more in this direction. I mean, your guess is as good as mine if he can withstand the flagellation his commentary will earn him from certain crowds.

Blogger Phillip George June 06, 2017 7:48 PM  

"How to succeed in reconquista without really trying" - the book, the musical, or the play?

"Alt Right" exists only because Right and Conservative were deceptive, treacherous, duplicitous failures that conserved nothing.

Aurelie Chatelain, the young dead French mother was targeted because she looked like one of "them". A white, modern, western dressed, non hijab wearing infidel. She was selected as a target because she didn't look like a muhammadan's idea of a life worth preserving.

During the running street battle of Jihadis in London [granted asylum Jihadis because they were scared of persecution where they came from] targets were selected because, well, look at them, they ain't no real Muslims. ie. to the Koran reading Muslim with the knife in his hand, if it doesn't look Muslim is isn't Muslim.

See how extremely easy it is for a Muslim to select a target.

For most of 2000 years the refrain, "for God, King and Country" worked [replace King with President]. It still does work.

Even the ultimate legal appeal, "for God's sake......." still works. Just flesh out the details.

Look out the window. Separation of Church and State, the fairy tale failed. Open the curtains.

When the school day started with prayer, the pledge of allegiance, a hymn or the national anthem wasn't that long ago. Which, of any of those things, wasn't working?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 06, 2017 7:53 PM  

Ask him if he believes in the Blank Slate Theory, BST junk science so men can play god.

Anonymous Simplytimothy June 06, 2017 7:55 PM  

The pajama boy attitude of hunker down and cower before the all-powerful Heathen bores the crap out of me. The Godless are committing suicide ;that it never enters into their minds to give the Damned a helpful kick in the ass to help them along their way to hepl irritates me.

Blogger rumpole5 June 06, 2017 7:56 PM  

What everyone overlooks is that the USA has intact, local armed police under local control. The local municipal, county, and state governments handle almost all vital governmental functions, and lastly, we have thousands of trained ex military, many of whom are armed. We won't have to depend on chairs and bottles here, as in London. Here aversge guys will pull out their concealed carry, or at worst, run to the pickup and retrieve the gun from the rack and/or glovebox, and start blasting. In the USA thr hue and cry and citizen malitia are still viable.

Blogger xenophon1 June 06, 2017 7:56 PM  

Hahahah! The crybaby SJW's over at the (((SPLC))) are having a hissy fit!

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/06/02/splc-president-social-norms-fraying-hate-rises-trump%E2%80%99s-america

Blogger Johnny June 06, 2017 7:57 PM  

Moderation or bust would seem to be the goal here.

While I dislike a good deal of what is happening, things are nothing like so oppressive that Christians have to withdraw from society, which is what "bind ourselves together more tightly" is. Plus in the current environment of invasive government it will not work.

Blogger Lazarus June 06, 2017 7:57 PM  

Those orthodox Christians who understand the radical nature of the crisis before us will devote themselves to building up their faith, communities, institutions, and ways of life to be resilient and resolute in the face of American decline.

I think he is only expecting difficulties, rather than chaos. The Spanish Inquisition needs to have a word with him. He won't be expecting THAT.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 June 06, 2017 8:02 PM  

#5 is a brainfart on the level with Kathy Griffen's latest stupidity.

Trump has already been spectacularly successful in two critical ways.

1) He ripped the Republican Party from its puppet master of big business and then aligned it with the heart and soul of Patriotic America.

2) He overcame extreme odds to win the Presidency.

That's a very strong precedent to predict his ability to overcome the minefields of Deep State, fake judges, etc.

Even some of the more astute lefties have expressed worry that while the Left is getting high inhaling the political crack cocaine of the Russia investigations, Trump is quietly creating a deregulation revolution that will strongly benefit both the economy and the Republican's chances in the 2018 midterms.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 06, 2017 8:03 PM  

Moderates gonna moderate. The right has shifted right (finally for once in 30 years) and low and behold his ever leftward slide has started to slide back right. He is desperately trying to find the center.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 06, 2017 8:12 PM  

Even when he's making some good points, he can't stop the virtue signaling and bashing right. In #2, he lets the establishment Left off the hook for "lacking the will to stop" the "rising Left," as if the entire Left isn't enthusiastically on board for the whole program of destruction. But Rod can't let go of the idea that there are lots of principled, well-intentioned leftists out there, just being spoiled by some bad apples, and he sure wishes he could be making common cause with them instead of the likes of us.

#5: Gotta get in some Trump-bashing. Note that NeverTrump Rod is still -- still!, even after Gorsuch and Sessions and regulatory cuts and pulling out of globalist trade agreements and all the other progress so early in this administration, still fantasizing about the day Trump will rip off the mask and betray his supporters and Rod can dance around and sing "I told you so!" Good grief, it's like he accidentally cut-and-pasted that part from a year-old article.

And calling Trump undisciplined at this point just means Rod isn't very smart, or his loathing blinds him. Trump has been extremely disciplined, more than I expected. He hasn't let the media get him sidetracked from his agenda, and every time they get sidetracked on something like "Bannon out at the White House!" he ignores them or gives them some rope, and signs another order to get something done. People are reacting to things like his tweets, which means they are the undisciplined, easily distracted rabbits.

#8 False, but you gotta bash right after #7 bashed left. Wouldn't be fair otherwise.

#9 More about how Trump has his supporters fooled; too bad we're not all as perceptive as Rod.

That's all I can bother to respond to. The good points are mostly fluff; saying things like "we have to fight for our Christian values" doesn't mean anything until you talk about how you're going to fight. Not so long ago, Rod was fighting for his values by telling people it might be better to elect Hillary Clinton.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 06, 2017 8:12 PM  

He sure is trying extra hard to keep those scales from falling from his eyes. And his (and others of his ilk) pathetic shots at Trump, that just have to be envy, really get old.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 06, 2017 8:14 PM  

He must not think these new Dark Ages are going to be too bad since he seems to think a worm like him will be able to survive and a community will be able and willing to tolerate his dead weight.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 06, 2017 8:16 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Not so long ago, Rod was fighting for his values by telling people it might be better to elect Hillary Clinton.

Indeed. Never Trumpers = Never to be trusted. Traitorous at worst, stupid and foolish at best.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 06, 2017 8:19 PM  

I cannot bring myself to read anything Dreher writes. My eyes skip off the text.

Yeah, it's tough. I have to keep forcing myself to scan back over sentences multiple times. That happens to me sometimes with very dense text with tough vocabulary, but that's not the case here.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 06, 2017 8:23 PM  

Gah, in my earlier comment when I referenced his points #8 and #7, I meant #7 and #6. I usually don't do correction comments, but that was a big goof. I meant #7 (that the only thing holding the alt-Right together is hatred of the Left) is false, not #8.

Blogger VFM6974 June 06, 2017 8:25 PM  

"The real glue holding the dynamic Right together is hatred of the Other" Is simply a projection from the left. We were perfectly ok playing games til they started to screw us.

Blogger Jourdan June 06, 2017 8:31 PM  

Rod could just save himself the effort and type: I'm the only real Christian here and all of you other people are just so awful!!

Blogger Guy Fox June 06, 2017 8:37 PM  

Dreher's understanding of Christianity sounds effeminate because he essentially agrees with the Lefty criticism of the Right. If he sticks with this high-minded good white nonsense he will find himself and his fellow cucks cowering in a barn armed only with pitchforks and one rusty old shotgun. In my vision we will be locked, loaded, and Catholic and we will make it painful for anyone to fuck with us.

Anonymous Tipsy June 06, 2017 8:43 PM  

15 years ago, Ron Rolheiser, a liberal catholic provided three critiques of both liberal and conservative Catholics. His critique of conservatives was off the mark, partly because he was addressing a caricature of what a conservative Catholic is and partly because his essay, in part, was an attempt to make conservatives more like liberals.

His three points for conservatives were:

1) Jesus’ admonition that truth alone is not enough.
2) One issue does not make for a whole gospel.
3) The social gospel is just as non-negotiable as the sexual one. [Please. Even the catechism's definition of Social Justice is far different than the Cultural Marxist version you hear from liberal Catholics.]

His critique of liberals, though, was better, I think, because of his deep familiarity with that strain of Faith.

His three points for Liberals were:

1) On our failure, by and large, to inspire permanent, joyous religious commitment.
2) Have we been too naive in hooking our moral star to liberal ideology in the secular world?
3) Have we been too fundamentalistic in not appreciating or even condemning certain religious movements and practices because these offend our liberal sensitivities or remind us too much of our own religious past?

I'm willing to guess that these will sound familiar to my protestant friends too. 15 years later, it sounds like a fairly prescient description of Churchianity.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 06, 2017 8:43 PM  

It's almost hard to believe that he can honestly think that Trump is "undisciplined". No, he's just not a cuck, and he doesn't agree with you on a lot of things. To someone like Dreher, some tweets are evidence of a lack of "discipline". He is completely blind to the possibility that Trump might actually be smart - everything Trump does that he doesn't agree with or understand is a blunder.

A lot of psuedo-intellectuals get stuck in this false frame where they cannot conceive that "maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm missing something here". They get stuck in their original narrative of "Trump is a liar who just lashes out all the time and he will fail" and never bothers to even consider the mountain of evidence to the contrary that is piling up in front of him.

If Trump were undisciplined, he would have cucked long ago. Name one other mainstream right politician who has withstood even 1/10th of the onslaught that Trump has faced in the last 1.5 years without so much as a knee buckling.

One thing I find myself at least slightly sympathetic with Dreher about is the wanting to believe that there are good but misguided people in the mainstream left. Unfortunately, you are a sinner until you repent, and up until that moment you are bound for punishment. A lot of right wing people I know were originally leftists whose worldview eventually foundered on the shoals of reality. It's one of the reasons I can't get too upset with civic nationalists and most libertarians - they just haven't walked far enough down the path in front of them, but the majority will get there.

What I cannot forgive him is his vane need to be correct, consequences and reality be damned. #5 is pure pride and vanity talking. He HAS to be right on this else he was a complete fool and a turncoat to boot.

Also, while hatred of the left helps hold the right together, what holds the alt-right together is simply the inheritance of the West. The West is by far the most successful human civilization in history and it was not by accident. Whatever the future holds, the alt-right will hold on to the foundation of the West so that it can either be recreated or just rededicated. We KNOW what works - we can return to it and fix the degeneration of our civilization or at least after it has completely collapsed we can build something new based on the best principles that thousands of years of our ancestors discovered and passed down to us.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 06, 2017 8:45 PM  

>his vane need to be correct
should be vain, reading is fundamental

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2017 8:50 PM  

Fuck you, Rod Dreher, I'm Texas!

Anonymous Steve June 06, 2017 8:57 PM  

Dunno what to make of The Benedict Option, other than it all sounds a bit gay. In the style, if not the substance, of some idiot priest kumbayahing feebly about how we should love the poor refugees and think nice thoughts and so on and whatnot.

(I'm​ probably being unfair to Dreher, but he's just so bloody wordy and womany I can't unpick what point, if any, he's making with this Benedict stuff. That the world hates Christ and hates us? Well, duh. That's why our ancestors punched the world in the face until it submitted to their will. They didn't hide and LARP and bore the eyelids off men by constantly complaining that Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar was ACKSHUALLY a big mean bully.)

I do like the cover though, because it's a picture of Mont Saint-Michel.

Mont Saint-Michel is, of course, named for St. Michael the Archangel, patron saint of soldiers. Its famous abbey was generously patronised by Rollo Ragnvaldsson, the former pagan warlord who became the father of those fierce Christian warriors and builders known to history as the Normans. The island has an impressive history of Christian martial courage rallying in defiance of enemy hordes, perhaps only surpassed by Malta.

So why is it on Rod Dreher's book? Is it secret code for "Vlad Tepes did nothing wrong, Deus Vult Now!" or what?

Blogger Johnny June 06, 2017 9:02 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:I cannot bring myself to read anything Dreher writes. My eyes skip off the text.



I have been reading this stuff longer than I should and often just sort of speed read. So much of this material isn't worth the bother.

Blogger Robert June 06, 2017 9:03 PM  

Vox, I agree with a lot of your criticisms of Dreher, but I'm curious what you think of his main "benedict option" thesis: that American society is becoming explicitly anti-christian and politics alone won't put things back the way they were.

I appreciate that the alt-right is far friendlier to Christianity than the secular left, but that doesn't stop Richard Spencer from subtly attacking religion and approving of gay activity as part of "white culture." Likewise, I appreciate how people like Milo, Roosh, and Roissy defend the West and those who follow traditional values. Still, all three refuse to live by those values themselves and want a world in which others can do the same, whether that means random sex with hot girls or black men.

All of which to say, I think Rod Dreher is correct to see that Christianity has been driven out of the public sphere, even if he's wrong about how to solve that. The alt-right seems willing to offer a "safe space" for orthodox Christianity, but it is also offering a safe space for Milo and PUAs, who would not have been publicly acceptable 50 years ago. Do you think that the alt-right by itself can restore Christianity to the cultural prominence it held before the 60's?

Blogger VFM #7634 June 06, 2017 9:03 PM  

Fuck you, Rod Dreher, I'm Texas!

Thread winner.

Blogger tz June 06, 2017 9:06 PM  

1. "Something has to give" - and something has to take, and we are there, ready.
2. The left wishes to sideline the productive. This is like burning the crops and being surprised at famine.
3. They don't fear being called bigots, they fear losing their jobs and having their homes burned down instead of merely a cross on their front lawn.
4. They know how in the same way a cancer patient knows they need chemo. Intellect and knowledge doesn't create virtue and will
5. Trump will succeed, just like he never tore up his golf-courses to build baseball or football fields. There may be no ideology, but he knows who voted for him and what they want, even if it isn't always the right thing, and often is what the elites detest.
6. true, but pointing and screeching isn't an argument.
7. it isn't hatred, no more than people hate venomous snakes. You can't and don't reason with a snake, you kill it.
8. Liberalism is anti-Christianity, not some distortion. It doesn't dilute it any more than a placebo is a diluted medicine.
9. The coasts, the nation's crust is post-Christian, but real Christianity is alive and well and in the precincts the color of the precious blood. See VPence.
10. Christianity IS EXTREME or haven't you read the gospels recently? They've merely awakened, partially. A great Awakening is coming.
11. The imperium is beyond saving. It must go. Your point is?
12. True. But as the attacks have become more serious, the militancy has increased.
13. "Contemporary American Life" is totally un-American. It is corrosive because of that. Multiculturalism can't be American.
14. See the crusades.


Anonymous johnc June 06, 2017 9:08 PM  

Right now all of the energy and excitement is in the various alt-right, MAGA, populist, nationalist movements. Everything else -- both left and conservative -- is banal and "stuck in a rut" thinking. It's low energy.

I wish we could get some kind of similar excitement in Christianity though.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 06, 2017 9:15 PM  

Its been interesting watching Dreher as he wages his mental rearguard battle. There is a great deal of cognitive dissonance going on there between what he wants to be true and what really is.

Blogger GracieLou June 06, 2017 9:15 PM  

"You'll regret voting for Trump. Maybe not today. Maybe not Tomorrow. But soon, and for the rest of your life."

Homer: Son, if something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing. You just stick that guitar in the garage next to your short-wave radio, your karate outfit, and your unicycle, and we'll go and watch TV.

Bart: What's on?

Homer: It doesn't matter.


(Casablanca) Rick: Don't you sometimes wonder if it's worth all this? I mean what you're fighting for.

Victor Laszlo: You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.

Rick: Well, what of it? It'll be out of its misery.

Victor Laszlo: You know how you sound, Mr. Blaine? Like a man who's trying to convince himself of something he doesn't believe in his heart.

Blogger von Dotty June 06, 2017 9:18 PM  

The only thing of Rod Dreher's I want to read is a suicide note.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 06, 2017 9:25 PM  

He must not think these new Dark Ages are going to be too bad

Maybe he invented an invisibility shield which protects Valley Benedict from invasion.

Just kidding. Like all moderates, he thinks that judiciously positioning himself in the center will protect him. When they come for him, he'll say, "No, I wasn't with you guys, but I wasn't with them either. Look, I'm standing right in the middle, equal distance from both! You can't treat me like them!" That makes him feel safe enough, because he doesn't believe the "establishment Left" wants to hurt him. It's only the "rising Left" that he fears, and he fears it no more (probably less) than he fears the rising Right, so the middle still looks safest.

Anonymous Tipsy June 06, 2017 9:25 PM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:Its been interesting watching Dreher as he wages his mental rearguard battle.

He's finally coming to realize how deadly the poison of 5th Column Cultural Marxism is, and how its secular wing is destroying good governance, how its sexual wing is destroying meaningful relationships between men and women, and how its religious wing is destroying Christianity. From where I sit, I am watching virtue, both natural and divine, being drained from all sections of society - society's lifeblood being spilled with seemingly so little resistance.

What the Benedict Option sounds like to me is finding a hiding place safe from the ravages of the world. Good luck. They only way is to engage in battle, which only the alt-Right seems to willing to do.

Blogger Lazarus June 06, 2017 9:32 PM  

Tipsy wrote:What the Benedict Option sounds like to me is finding a hiding place safe from the ravages of the world. Good luck. They only way is to engage in battle, which only the alt-Right seems to willing to do.

Muslims do not respect the Benedict Option, although they will theoretically allow you to pay the Jizya, instead of chopping your head off, although the Christians in Syria don't seem to be getting that option.

Blogger Robert Divinity June 06, 2017 9:47 PM  

If Dreher really believed in his craven "Benedict Option," he would exit the public square already. He's a coward, hypocrite and the worst sort of traitor. I will give the SJWs this much: the Drehers on their side already have been driven from the public square. It's one thing we can learn from their deranged mobs.

Blogger Lazarus June 06, 2017 9:47 PM  

Interesting comment at the linked article:

Severn says:
June 6, 2017 at 6:37 pm

According to Dreher, “The most important thing by far to be conserved is the orthodox Christian faith”. And yet he links approvingly to Jacob Seigel, who I’m fairly confident does not have any Christian faith, orthodox or otherwise, and who expresses his desire for politics that are “inclusive, multi-ethnic, pluralist, federalist, preserves universal healthcare, preserves the liberty of individuals and their right to make their own choices without trying to legislate cultural attitudes” and many other items from the cultural leftist wishlist.

You can have an “inclusive, multi-ethnic, pluralist” society, or you can have a society centered on the orthodox Christian faith. You cannot have both. You cannot import scores of millions of people who are either not Christians of any description or who have some highly unorthodox notions of Christianity and then lament the loss of the orthodox Christian faith

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 06, 2017 9:52 PM  

Tipsy wrote:What the Benedict Option sounds like to me is finding a hiding place safe from the ravages of the world. Good luck. They only way is to engage in battle, which only the alt-Right seems to willing to do.

The conservative strategy has always been to retreat and find some new space. We retreat from our neighbourhoods when vibrant diversity moves in. We retreat from the institutions when they start getting converged. We retreat from the cultural spaces when the poz starts to creep in. We think that somewhere out there we can find a space where the enemy will not follow.

But the left always follows. The Enemy does not create..it is a parasite that specializes in infiltration and subversion. It will never be content to leave us alone because that is not in its nature. So the time has come to stand and fight, and reconquer.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 06, 2017 9:59 PM  

You can have an “inclusive, multi-ethnic, pluralist” society, or you can have a society centered on the orthodox Christian faith. You cannot have both. You cannot import scores of millions of people who are either not Christians of any description or who have some highly unorthodox notions of Christianity and then lament the loss of the orthodox Christian faith

Very true. I somehow doubt that Dindu-Dreher can see this though. He keeps sticking those scales back on every time they start to fall off.

Anonymous Tipsy June 06, 2017 10:08 PM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:Tipsy wrote:What the Benedict Option sounds like to me is finding a hiding place safe from the ravages of the world. Good luck. They only way is to engage in battle, which only the alt-Right seems to willing to do.

The conservative strategy has always been to retreat and find some new space. We retreat from our neighbourhoods when vibrant diversity moves in. We retreat from the institutions when they start getting converged. We retreat from the cultural spaces when the poz starts to creep in. We think that somewhere out there we can find a space where the enemy will not follow.

But the left always follows. The Enemy does not create..it is a parasite that specializes in infiltration and subversion. It will never be content to leave us alone because that is not in its nature. So the time has come to stand and fight, and reconquer.


It's instructive to read The Lord of the World written in 1907 by Hugh Benson, a Catholic priest. In it, Catholics are given autonomy in Ireland and Rome by a secularist world government. Of course, once the enemies of secularism were assembled in one place, they were firebombed out of existence.

The left won't rest, because their father below, Satan, is absolutely relentless in his thirst for the destruction of souls, and the elimination of all that is good, true, and beautiful.

PS. Solovyov's Tale of the Antichrist is worth reading too.

Blogger tz June 06, 2017 10:14 PM  

The problem is not so much the Benedict option, but that cuckservatism inc. has for decades chosen the Benedict Arnold option.

Anonymous polarbearballs June 06, 2017 10:23 PM  

I think the article (and commenters) over there, fails to understand that as America becomes more diverse, Leftism will continue to fracture along the same fault lines as race, ethnicity and religion. Just as there are now SEVERAL competing "Graduation ceremonies" at various colleges (black, Latinx, blah blah), you will see one America, the "commercial" America--gay jerseys, slutty chicks and all that, where the rules the Left's totalitarian "tolerance" be enforced, then the OTHER America(s), with Muslims, or Mexicans, or pick your group, keeping to themselves, playing soccer, calling people fags, refusing gay wedding cakes, beating women, multiple wives, "Miss Black America", etc.

The Left's "Rules" are only for what is essentially the Legacy (White and/or Male) Christian folks of the US. Red flyover country to simplify the point. The rest of the rules are more like Google...you have to treat women as equals, unless you are hijabi and don't want to shake hands with the opposite gender, then you will be deferred to. As Muslims grow in numbers, they will be able to have themselves removed from mass emailing from their company about Gay Pride..Mexican kids (and others like them) will learn a "different history"...

All of this is already happening. When a White Male Liberal Cuckboy is screamed at by some mixy looking campus niggress at Columbia and feels apologetic about it, you GET that there are two standards operating at the same time--and there is NO NEED FOR COHESION to anyone but the Legacy Americans.

The Left can shift the Legacy culture to gay jerseys for the US Soccer team, but they don't control what goes on in your average Latino household, nor at the local Masjid, nor any of the other millions of micro-cultures within the US Borders.

Anonymous crushlimbraw June 06, 2017 10:49 PM  

tz is right - the Benedict Option is Cuckville - and has been the primary cause for the loss of our culture to the secular humanists.
It's the 'Alliance Made in Hell' as I explain on my archive - http://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-alliance-made-in-hell.html

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 06, 2017 10:53 PM  

Do you think that the alt-right by itself can restore Christianity to the cultural prominence it held before the 60's?

No

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 06, 2017 10:56 PM  

Trump has already been spectacularly successful in two critical ways.


Build the wall
Drain the swamp
Repeal Obamacare
Cut taxes
Cut spending
Deport illegals

He hasn't done any of those yet

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 06, 2017 10:57 PM  

What the Benedict Option sounds like to me is finding a hiding place safe from the ravages of the world. Good luck. They only way is to engage in battle, which only the alt-Right seems to willing to do.

The Benedict Option, like the alt tech, is primarily about building our own institutions.

It's only a retreat if you consider homeschooling a retreat.

Blogger wreckage June 06, 2017 11:10 PM  

Build the wall
Drain the swamp... in progress. He smacked the EPA around, more than anyone before has ever dared to do.

Repeal Obamacare... done, more or less.

Cut taxes... ok, not yet.

Cut spending... EPA, again, Paris accords, these are all attacks on the underlying "mandatory" spending.

Deport illegals... not done.

If you really think that bigger and faster action than has ever happened in US political history is "nothing happening" then your standards are impossible.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 06, 2017 11:13 PM  

Repeal Obamacare... done, more or less.


It's not done. The Senate doesn't even have a bill yet to vote on.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 06, 2017 11:15 PM  

If you really think that bigger and faster action than has ever happened in US political history is "nothing happening" then your standards are impossible.

Look at trump's contract with the American voter speech and the list of everything he promised to do in his first 100 days. Then look at what has been done so far.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 06, 2017 11:20 PM  

Cut spending... EPA, again, Paris accords, these are all attacks on the underlying "mandatory" spending.

Trump signed the continuing resolution last month to keep the government open. That resolution did not contain any spending cuts.

Blogger Weouro June 06, 2017 11:21 PM  

I wonder why people like Dreher think religious freedom is a good thing when they look at America today and why clinging to religious freedom will in any way preserve orthodox Christianity. Religious freedom means begging for scraps off of Liberalism's table. Fuck relgious freedom. Lies have no rights. Viva Christo Rey.

Blogger JP June 06, 2017 11:35 PM  

xenophon1 wrote:Hahahah! The crybaby SJW's over at the (((SPLC))) are having a hissy fit!

When they're piled in a mass grave covered by the cinders of their former HQ, I'm not sure whether the site should hold a dance hall or a sewage treatment plant.

Anonymous kfg June 06, 2017 11:44 PM  

"The Benedict Option . . .It's only a retreat if . . ."

It's not a retreat. It's a fixed fortification.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 06, 2017 11:49 PM  

I don't dislike Dreher as a person, but, man, is he ever a wallflower. Geez.

Also, he might want to have a chat with his Orthodox friends. Do you know how the Orthodox survived? By killing their enemies. A lot. It's like he has no dang clue what the Orthodox have been through for the last 1000 years.

He's also projecting himself onto the Religious Right. He's the one that can't see the forest for the trees.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 07, 2017 12:02 AM  

JP wrote:When they're piled in a mass grave covered by the cinders of their former HQ, I'm not sure whether the site should hold a dance hall or a sewage treatment plant.
Pork-packing and rendering operation.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 07, 2017 12:24 AM  

@24

"He sure is trying extra hard to keep those scales from falling from his eyes. And his (and others of his ilk) pathetic shots at Trump, that just have to be envy, really get old."

PLEASE tell that to Steven Crowder and whoever that chick is who rights on his site sometimes (his wife, I think)! XD

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 07, 2017 12:26 AM  

Sorry, meant

@27

Just woke up from a melatonin nap that I burned through too early, as usual.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 07, 2017 12:27 AM  



Just sitting back and chillin: talking Saul Alinsky, Cultural Marxism and the destruction of Western civilization.

White Genocide is a crime Justin, not a 'policy option'

https://i.imgur.com/Ie74Srv.jpg

Blogger ZhukovG June 07, 2017 12:45 AM  

The Benedict Option is a Maginot Line, only without minefields or artillery emplacements.

And yes Josh, Homeschooling is a retreat. White flight to the suburbs was a retreat.

Sometimes a retreat is needed. But it only helps if you use it to rebuild strength with the firm resolve to retake what was lost.

Otherwise all you are doing is delaying defeat.

As for the GE, he has already served his purpose for the Alt-Right. Anything further he does to help us is a bonus.

But the Alt-Right is the future regardless.

For those Christians who are concerned about what the Alt-Right is and what its victory will mean, please read the 'Alt-Right: 16 Points', linked on this page.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 07, 2017 12:45 AM  

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Blogger Resident Moron™ June 07, 2017 12:46 AM  

Even Laci Green has more intelligence and insight, is more redpilled, than Rod.

The irony of the altRight is that there's no alternative available to the men of the west.

You're either altRight or you're conquered.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 07, 2017 12:47 AM  

@64/65

So we should already give up and abandon Trump because some of the stuff he wanted to do in his first 100 days isn't done yet, and the last CR that they had barely any time to mess with before the Democrats could force another government shutdown for the media to blame on Republicans doesn't have any cuts.

Do you even realize how insanely womanish you sound right now? You are getting handed a solid gold brick and whining that it is heavy. "Oh thanks honey, you got me the Mercedes I wanted... but I wanted the Moonroof not the Sunroof and the leather inside is mocha instead of mahogany... I want a divorce."

I hope for your own sake that you're just a shill, because if this is your honest opinion you should see your doctor about maybe getting some testosterone therapy.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 07, 2017 12:53 AM  

@77

Given what we know about paid bots by the DNC, he just might actually be a shill.

Blogger Timmy3 June 07, 2017 1:09 AM  

"The uncritical embrace of Trumpism by many conservative Christians today opens the door to this."

An annoying ignoring of the promises made by Trump to his Christian supporters. Just leave.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 07, 2017 1:09 AM  

RCR_Chris wrote:"The most important thing by far to be conserved is the orthodox Christian faith..."

Thank God that isn't up to "conservatives", who can't conserve anything.

If it were up to Conservatives to conserve Christianity, Dreher would be publishing articles about how the Mark of the Beast is regrettable, but better than throwing in with Nazis, New Testaments would be taxed at 100%, and Fox, WSJ and NRO would be telling how great it was that they aren't banned like in NY and CA.

Blogger tublecane June 07, 2017 1:49 AM  

@1-I don't know why you say even black dudes. Black folks get to be race-nationalists in our culture. Dreher's One Drop frees him up to overleap the alt-right, if he so chose.

Blogger Beau June 07, 2017 1:55 AM  

I wish we could get some kind of similar excitement in Christianity though.

In six hours I will attend a prayer meeting calling for the spiritual awakening of our city: That God will pour out a spirit of repentance, that Jesus will make our city his abode, and our city will change from violence to peace in Christ. O and the gospel preached with all boldness with attendant signs and wonders of healing, as we are already beginning to see.

We also pray for great awakening among the nations.

Are you asking God?

Anonymous Simplytimothy June 07, 2017 2:08 AM  

@beau,

Yep.

God's hand is all over these times. His people are wide awake with more awakening every day.

Blogger tublecane June 07, 2017 2:09 AM  

@32-They'd like to think it's hate/fear of outsiders because they don't want people bound together by anything other than abstract self-interest and/or selflessness. Because people are interchangeable to them, or eventually will be according to the plan.

Love of country, place, family, people, religion, and so forth, is simply alien to them. Unless two people happen to share an interest in butt sex, in which case community is a given.

Blogger Retrenched June 07, 2017 2:40 AM  

The future is a pro-white right against an anti-white left. (And to be honest we're practically there already -- the only thing missing is an explicitly pro-white party; we already have an anti-white party.) The white left and the anti-white right are both going to fade into oblivion.

Anonymous Bz June 07, 2017 3:13 AM  

Trump is a reckless man whose presidency is going to end badly for America. It will also end badly for the people who voted for him; he has no principles except self-promotion, and will sell them out. He also will not be able to get anything serious done, in part because of his total lack of discipline. Trump is a symptom of our political crisis, not a solution.

Let's not forget the alternative proposed by the Democrats: A naked bribe machine ultimately controlled by Israel and Saudi Arabia and the deep state (CIA/Mossad). Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Global Foundation had already sold out the people of the geographic region she was about to rule. She would have spent her time settling scores with the half that didn't vote for her and rubber stamping the rest (subject to full payment), while the deep state would discreetly cement their rule further.

The GOP and Dreher would have no objections.

Blogger Cetera June 07, 2017 4:25 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Look at trump's contract with the American voter speech and the list of everything he promised to do in his first 100 days. Then look at what has been done so far.

Josh is just the worst. He's a combination of Debbie Downer, and the left's best propogandist, all rolled into one slimy little ball in our own backyard. Still, if he wants to play that game, let's have it out.

President Trump's 100 Day Action Plan -
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/CONTRACT_FOR_THE_VOTER.pdf

O - Submit a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits
**X - hiring freeze on all federal employees - 1/23/17, lifted again, likely to return with new budget**
**X - Requirement that for every new federal regulation imposed, two existing regulations be eliminated. - 1/30/17**
**X - 5-year ban on WH and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists - 1/28/17**
**X - Lifetime ban on WH officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government - 1/28/17**
Complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections
*Renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw - in progress, Congress stonewalling, refusing to accept formal letter, delaying confirmation of Lighthizer*
**X - Withdraw from TPP - 1/23/17**
O - Label China a currency manipulator - withdrawn, see China vs. North Korea
*Identify foreign trade abuses that unfairly impact American workers, use every tool to end abuses - in progress, well under way.
**X - lift restrictions on $50 Trillion worth of energy reserves - 1/24/17, 2/16/17, 3/28/17, and 4/28/17**
**X - lift roadblocks, allow energy infrastructure projects, Keystone Pipeline - 1/24/17**
**X - Cancel billions to U.N. climate programs, use money to fix water and environmental infrastructure - 6/1/17, and in progress.
*Cancel every unconstitutional executive action/order from Obama - in progress, ongoing
**X - Begin process of selecting replacement Supreme Court justice - Neil Gorsuch confirmed 4/10/17
**X - Cancel all funding for Sanctuary Cities - 1/25/17**
*Deport 2 million criminal illegals, cancel VISAs with countries who won't take them back - in progress 1/25/17*
**X - Suspend immigration from terror-prone regions, implement extreme vetting - 1/25/17, 1/28/17, Supreme Court challenges**

Legislation
(All of these require Trump to get his staff to write the bills, as no one in Congress will do it. Please see my comments from previous threads. Delay here is 100% Congress' fault.)
Tax cuts/reform
End Offshoring Act
American Energy and Infrastructure Act
School Choice and Education Opportunity Act
*Repeal and Replace Obamacare - Started 1/20/17, eliminate penalties, House passed 5/4/17*
Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act
End Illegal Immigration Act
Restoring Community Safety Act
Restoring National Security Act
Clean Up Corruption in Washington Act


On purely Trump action items, I score that as 15/18, 83.3%, with one of the failures coming directly as a result of being pre-empted by true soft-power diplomacy and no longer being necessary. The issue was resolved, and if China takes care of NK, gains are way beyond what labeling them a currency manipulator was going to be.

Was it all done in his first 100 days? Nope. He had two big ones occur after, with the NAFTA acceptance occurring after due to the GOPe not wanting to accept the letter notifying of renegotiating NAFTA, and not confirming Lighthizer, all in an effort to stymie the anti-globalist agenda. The other was withdrawing from the Paris accord in June, not April, a full two months behind schedule.

So, for purely 100 day action, 13/18. 72.2%

Total score, and keeping of promises, 16/18, 88.8%.

Blogger Cetera June 07, 2017 4:26 AM  

Yes, that's true, ladies and gentleman. Trump is only keeping his promises 88% of the time! What an absolute bastard he is! Impeach him! Tar and feather him! Make him pay! He's a traitor, I tell you! He's going to turn on you! He's going to let you down! Who wants someone that doesn't complete 100% of their agenda in the first 7% of his term! The ignominy! The unmitigated gall!



tl,dr: Josh is a cuck.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 07, 2017 4:42 AM  

To be honest, I don't know if I'd even count "labeling China a currency manipulator" - that was always just a threat to China if they refused to come to the table and give us something in return. Given that Trump has basically cut off the largest portion of North Korea's export economy (ore and coal, most of which normally goes to China) and China is now backing away from defending NK as well... these are things we have wanted to accomplish for more than 20-30 years, and Trump got them done in a few months.

And all it took was one meeting and a few dozen cruise missiles. Funny how much people flipped out about how Trump had been co-opted by the Neocons because he used a pretense to launch an attack against Syria that was timed to PERFECTLY COINCIDE with his meeting with the Chinese premier. Still, so many people thought that missile strike was the end of Trump's presidency.

Blogger wreckage June 07, 2017 5:14 AM  

What? Trump has only achieved 4/5? So disappointed.

I was always always such a Trump believer but now I cry myself to sleep everynight while staring at a photo of him from before this betrayal broke my heart.

I think we all need to look deep, deep inside and ask ourselves: wouldn't it be better, and more Christian, to vote Democrat and then commit suicide, leaving the world to its true heirs, our moral and intellectual superiors on the Left?

Blogger FSL June 07, 2017 6:18 AM  

https://thesocraticcatholic.com/2017/06/05/the-dreher-option-roundup/

Another commentator cricizes Dreher's capitulating and poorly named "Benedict Option".

Blogger William Meisheid June 07, 2017 6:40 AM  

Liberalism, in the broadest historical sense, is secularized Christianity, and as such is parasitic on Christianity. When Christianity disappears, as it has largely done in Europe and is well on its way to doing in the United States, it takes with it the basis on which liberalism operates. Laws and procedures alone do not hold a people together. [emphasis added]

That is about as succinct as it gets. Everything anyone has ever liked about the freedom this country has traditionally offered has to realize it could only have happened and be sustained in a Christian milieu. It is the glue that binds Western Civilization together and our Founders knew it and spoke of it endlessly.

Anonymous Rodrigo Duterte June 07, 2017 7:28 AM  

Eagerly awaiting Dreher's biography, The Been-Niglet Option

Blogger Cail Corishev June 07, 2017 7:58 AM  

[Hillary] would have spent her time settling scores with the half that didn't vote for her and rubber stamping the rest (subject to full payment), while the deep state would discreetly cement their rule further.

Yes, we could have spent the last few months fighting rearguard actions against amnesty for illegal aliens and gun grabbing measures. The flow of illegals across the border wouldn't be down 75% -- in fact it might have increased, as they tried to get in place in time for amnesty. We could have a new Supreme Court justice who makes the wise Latina look...wise. We could be facing new taxes, increased regulations on business and individuals, and more direct funding for abortions. She'd be killing the coal industry as promised; no new sales to China. The Paris Accord and other globalist agreements could be proceeding on schedule. We could be steaming ahead with war in Syria and perhaps another spot or two chosen by our Israeli and Arab allies. And of course there wouldn't be even the small current hope of busting major child trafficking rings.

But see, Rod really, really, really doesn't like Donald Trump....

Blogger William Meisheid June 07, 2017 8:52 AM  

The fact there's a Highway to Hell and only a Stairway to Heaven should tell you something about both the anticipated traffic and the effort involved transversing each.

Anonymous RedJack June 07, 2017 9:20 AM  

A number of my family are hard core leftist. They no longer talk to me. I don't bring up politics at family events, they do. My half sister demanded I denounce Trump to "Prove I am not a Nazi". I asked if she would denounce Sanders to prove she is not a communist, and she said "Well, Communism is the future so you should be happy to embrace it!"

She lives in Seattle.

Funny thing is her daughter is moving toward the Church. They are rather confused about it.

Lines are being drawn. Choose your side, or it will be chosen for you.

Anonymous crushlimbraw June 07, 2017 9:37 AM  

Anyone who says homeschooling is a retreat is clueless about what it is and is probably justifying sending their kids to public school 'so they can convert the world' - pure delusional idiots - asking their kids to fight a battle they themselves passed on.
In fact, if all Christians actually pulled their kids out of school now - it would be a political earthquake - and would speed the collapse of the public school system which will eventually happen on its own. But the Church of Nice doesn't make waves - unlike the apostles at Paul's time who were accused of 'turning the world upside down'!
My family taught me how it's done and you can read about the effectiveness on my website and archive of articles from various sources.
If we don't disciple our own families first, what leads us to think we can disciple others?

Anonymous RedJack June 07, 2017 9:39 AM  

"benedict option" is stupid and unhistorical. The only reason the monasteries survived is that the local half pagan war lords let them. The Church didn't go into hiding, they were going to war. Bishops led armies, kings had services before battle, and the public square had the contest between Christ and Pan.

The monasteries were RETREATS for those who were to 1. to timid to fight and 2. to valuable to fight (clerks).

You can not rebuild society from a library if no one is protecting that library.

The Benedict Option is a fantasy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 07, 2017 9:50 AM  

RedJack wrote:The monasteries were RETREATS for those who were to 1. to timid to fight and 2. to valuable to fight (clerks).
Your assessment is straight-up false. Heinlein famously said "moderation is for monks." He could nto have been more wrong. Monastic life is the LEAST moderate, cowardly or timid life known to man.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 07, 2017 9:54 AM  

Just when I think this is going to be another point and shriek at the chucking cuck thread, Josh jumps in as a tank to agro.

Josh is a cuck?
My evens just can't

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 07, 2017 10:07 AM  

To finish the thought: the courage required for monasticism is the reason Dreher will never manage to live out his "Benedict option."

Anonymous RedJack June 07, 2017 10:28 AM  

Who protected the monks? The first generation (in the stable times) were men who wandered out into the wilderness alone or in small groups. The soaring edifices we see today were not built by men who wanted a harsh life.

The only reason the monasteries existed was that there were armed men who promised to kill anyone who looted them. When the Vikings hit, the monasteries were the first to fall. There was no protection offered by the local kings to stop people who had no incentive to hold back.

In short, they were targets, not fortresses against the dark. They collected valuables in a centralized location that could not be defended, and got sacked. Not a great strategy for surviving a hostile environment. They only work in a permissive environment.

That is why the so called Benedict option is a farce.

Blogger ZhukovG June 07, 2017 10:28 AM  

@crushlimbraw: Homeschooling is a retreat, and right now a necessary one. I encourage all Christian/Western Civilized parents to do this.

Let me put it another way. You are a military commander(Parent), one of the units under your command(Your Kids) are in an exposed position(public school), outnumbered and outgunned. You make a command decision to retreat the endangered unit to a secure position(Your Home). There they can be resupplied(Educated) until such time(Generally Adulthood) that they can return to the front lines.

Does this illustration make it more palatable for you?

The time is coming, I suspect sooner than we think, when the Alt-Right will begin a general offensive against the motley horde arrayed against us. We must make ourselves and our families prepared for it.

Anonymous Ham Solo June 07, 2017 10:33 AM  

This USA is about a half a step away from going totally bankrupt.

The power of the left(and establishment right) ALL comes from the power of the massive government spending.

When that collapses and the rest of the world wakes up and realizes the USA is a loser criminal and owes more money than it can ever pay back, those days will be over.

At that point, all the power of the left and most of the right in the USA will totally collapse.

That will be interesting to see.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 07, 2017 10:52 AM  

RedJack wrote:The only reason the monasteries existed was that there were armed men who promised to kill anyone who looted them. When the Vikings hit, the monasteries were the first to fall. There was no protection offered by the local kings to stop people who had no incentive to hold back.
I see you believe what you're told.

Blogger wreckage June 07, 2017 11:49 AM  

@104; Family first, and last; without our children we are dead.

They do not have children. They parasitize ours. It is imperative to prevent this to the extent possible.

Blogger wreckage June 07, 2017 11:54 AM  

"A significant number of conservative Christians will give themselves over to a Christianized version of blood-and-soil politics."

What does that even mean? Many Christians will look for a Christian-compatible policy of nationalism and stability? THE HORROR!!!!

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 07, 2017 12:12 PM  

That's exactly what it means, @wreckage.
It's also a warning to all Christians watching the starkly contrasting sanity of the altRight and considering a step in that direction:

This is what the "centre moderates" will call you if you take that step.

It will probably work on some of them.

For a while.

Anonymous Tipsy June 07, 2017 12:20 PM  

wreckage wrote:"A significant number of conservative Christians will give themselves over to a Christianized version of blood-and-soil politics."

What does that even mean? Many Christians will look for a Christian-compatible policy of nationalism and stability? THE HORROR!!!!


Moderates, like Dreher, are often will call out extremism on both sides so they can be seen as rising above it. Even when, statistically speaking, the extremism exists on just one side. It's just another virtue signalling technique.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 07, 2017 12:34 PM  

homeschooling was the original option. then martin luther decided everyone could, and should, read. the church got involved. the scottish and english radicals took notes from luther, but had to scarper to america to implement their vision. america was more broadly literate than any other society, ever, in history.

dewey was simplifying the standard curriculum because immigrants were retarded compared to bog standard americans. then the immigrants got lifey, and kicked out the church, thinking that they could have the gold without the goose. they now have entire schools graduating illiterate dindus, immigrants, and children of immigrants.

white parents, realizing the counterfeiting operation that public school has become, went back to the original process: homeschooling. at some point, those homeschooling kids will build parallel schooling systems, comparable to the missionary schools built by catholics, or the chinese language drill schools, or the russian math programs,or salman khan's online programs, all now operational in america.

homeschooling is not a retreat. it is a restatement of basic standards. failing, or even just integrated schools, are just soup kitchens with irritations and time-sucks attached. We had three kids in a diverse city school. now we are out in the country in a near all-white, with some prosperous asian and chinese kids. It is literally night and glorious day. i am so okay with burning down the regular, liberal, secular, converged school system. it's an employment scheme for alcoholic cat ladies, the not very bright ones, at that.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 07, 2017 12:39 PM  

to be fair, there were extraordinary teachers at the kids' school. Each one was religiously motivated, usually a sunday school teacher as well, or trained by jesuits. none of the secular teachers could even do long division or subtraction without counting on their own fingers. and the alcoholism was unnerving, from a principal in daytime, no less.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 07, 2017 12:45 PM  

"A significant number of conservative Christians will give themselves over to a Christianized version of blood-and-soil politics."

This is rabbit talk for "Christians will discover that blood-and-soil politics were never incompatible with Christianity in the first place."

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 07, 2017 12:58 PM  

When they're piled in a mass grave covered by the cinders of their former HQ, I'm not sure whether the site should hold a dance hall or a sewage treatment plant.

Rendering and sewage-treatment plants surrounded by the massive Kosher-Ballpark pig farm - just down the street from meat-packing plant when Uncle Hussein's Halal-Kebab's are made for export to Magic Kingdom and Umma in general, itself not far from the Heidi Beirich lampshade factory. With these in place, mass-grave is superfluous.

Blogger tublecane June 07, 2017 1:00 PM  

@108-"Blood-and-soil" means Nazi. Anyone who's is a nationalist without being a Nation of Immigrants nationalist is a Nazi, according to people like Dreher, including Christians. Heck, most actual Nazis were Christian.

These are your choices: globalist multicultural individualist collectivism, or Nazi.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 07, 2017 1:28 PM  

tublecane wrote:"Blood-and-soil" means Nazi.
Beat me to it.
If you're not on their side, you're a Nazi, no exceptions.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 07, 2017 2:26 PM  

All that blather to get to this?

"Bottom line: Identity politics will dissolve the traditional bonds that have held Americans together, and re-bind forces of the Left and forces on the Right to each other."

The only "point" of his that really matters #12. Everything else rings of the late-night dorm-room bull session, or a TL;DR Disqus post.

"The faith . . . placed in Donald Trump is self-deceptive, to put it mildly."

Even his most ardent fans realize no one man can fix all that's wrong, but all the other alternatives were a quick suicide. They're trying to buy time, since the "Right", like B'rer Dreyer here, have wasted much time in the past mentally masturbating to their imagined superior morals whilst managing to conserve jack squat.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke June 07, 2017 2:35 PM  

"The real glue holding the dynamic Left together is hatred of the Other"

The 'other' that they hate is straight white men.

"The real glue holding the dynamic Right together is hatred of the Other."

Projection. The Awakened Saxon has not yet begun to hate. Be he is learning.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke June 07, 2017 2:39 PM  

>"When Christianity disappears ... it takes with it the basis on which liberalism operates."

When you teach your people that there is no God to obey, then there's nothing to stop them from killing you. Nietzsche saw this coming.

Blogger Thucydides June 07, 2017 3:02 PM  

It's really as simple as people realizing that the Alt Right or its various manifestations (Alt-Light, Alt-West) are the only effective tools left to use. Conventional politics, like the TEA Party movement just aren't cutting it, and alternatives like becoming Preppers and cutting yourself off from civilization are essentially defensive movements, with pretty high entry barriers to boot.

The Ctrl-Left still has lots of inertia left because of its overwhelming control of institutions, media and academia, and in the end they can always move straight to Brownshirt street battles (looking at the arsenal displayed by the hilariously misnamed "Antifas" in Portland shows you what we will be facing: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59667974). IF you can't get what you want by persuasion, the Left always reverts to stealing what they want by force.

Non violent disruption of the Progressives is still possible (just barely), by attacking their networks and delegitimizing mass media, schools and other strongholds of their power. The billionaire donor class which runs the Democrat party may have massive financial resources, but they are not unlimited, and they still need to keep paying off their various identity group Brownshirts so they don't turn on their masters, so draining their pocketbooks might have much more effect than immediately obvious. And getting them to fight among each other (intersectional conflict) should be the ultimate goal. Why expend our energy when they can do it for us?

Anonymous Tipsy June 07, 2017 3:24 PM  

Thucydides wrote:If you can't get what you want by persuasion, the Left always reverts to stealing what they want by force.

Small case in point. When I was a student at Berkeley, we were still on the quarter system. The faculty clearly wanted semesters. There was a campus-wide vote on the subject, and semesters were voted down. The administrators took the result of the election, summarily tossed it in the garbage, and switched to semesters anyway.

As you say, the ctrl-Left first seeks legitimate ways to implement its agenda, but it's "any means necessary" if that doesn't work.

Anonymous c matt June 07, 2017 4:22 PM  

In fact, if all Christians actually pulled their kids out of school now - it would be a political earthquake

Indeed. In many districts, school funding is based upon enrollment - the administrators would be crapping their pants.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 07, 2017 4:39 PM  

So far, importing hordes of brown children has been good for keeping enrollments and budgets up (also funding for ESL and SPED).

Maybe not so much any more.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 07, 2017 5:17 PM  

In many districts, school funding is based upon enrollment

A simple, succinct explanation of why public schools are garbage, without even getting into the absurdity of how "enrollment" is determined (usually just a couple days early in the school year "count"): Volume without the least regard for value.

Blogger bosscauser June 07, 2017 6:10 PM  

He's not the Congress. They have power of purse and have told us they are against us.

Facts are hard!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger bosscauser June 07, 2017 6:13 PM  

Josh should have voted for Jeb. Oh wait...
I meant Barbara..

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger bosscauser June 07, 2017 6:15 PM  

If only Trump had a magic wand and all our wishes would come true...

Get a grip n vote for a friendly Congress!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

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