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Thursday, June 15, 2017

Alt-Tech options

Jon del Arroz lays them out at The Federalist:
Where Can Users Get Unbiased Reference Information?

Infogalactic launched as an alternative to Wikipedia during the height of the toxic political climate of 2016. Wikipedia moderators at the time began deleting information that could paint conservatives positively, and replaced those articles with information from editorials with notorious left-wing biases. Vox Day, founder of Infogalactic, said these problems stemmed back to Wikipedia’s beginning.

When asked what he thought triggered the company’s censorship, Vox said, “anything ideologically or politically controversial. The 538 thought police, or ‘active admins’ as they are called, are hard core SJWs deeply committed to policing the Wikipedia content. For example, three of them squat on the page about me and will respond within minutes to remove anything they deem excessively positive.”

I found similar results across the Wikipedia pages of prominent right-wing voices. So what does Infogalactic do differently? “We are designing a very different system that allows the user, rather than the admin, to determine which version of the page he sees,” Vox said. “Our perspective filters will render the power of the admin entirely irrelevant with regards to content; we are utilizing a horizontal model rather than a vertical one. So, there is no reason whatsoever to engage in edit wars. It’s not applicable.”

The perspective filter is where Infogalactic shines as an innovative concept, allowing a user to determine what content he or she would like to see. The user can choose the liberal view on a topic, a conservative one, or even a variety of other factors. This gives users more agency about the information they receive. Infogalactic will have three different filters each with ten different sub-settings to allow robust user customization.

This provides much more freedom regarding the information that can be posted on a topic, and for readers, who can choose how to see the world, including how their opposition views their topics of interest. The end result, Vox says, “is more neutral, more objective, and more accurate.” All of Wikipedia’s current database has been uploaded to Infogalactic, and its hardworking volunteers have added what Vox approximates to be 1 percent of new content to its information databases.

The Brave browser has a built-in setting to allow users to switch default searches to Infogalactic, and will automatically search Infogalactic if a user types :i into the URL bar with his search. Other browsers have extensions that automatically switch Wikipedia searches to the Infogalactic page.
If you're not using Infogalactic - and Infogalactic News - yet, you really should be. We're now in Phase Two of five, so we're nowhere near full functionality yet, but we're already pretty much caught up with Wikipedia on a daily basis, as this page should suffice to demonstrate.

Jon also has a new book out from Superversive Press. I have to say, I like the cover.

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47 Comments:

Anonymous Eduardo June 15, 2017 4:31 PM  

Getting better everyday apparently.

Can't wait for infogalactic to become more popular then wikipedia.

And Vox Day to show up on Small Think and tell us all, what we should do, and what is the correct way to think.

Blogger Student in Blue June 15, 2017 4:36 PM  

All of Wikipedia’s current database has been uploaded to Infogalactic, and its hardworking volunteers have added what Vox approximates to be 1 percent of new content to its information databases.

And considering how much stuff is on Wikipedia, 1% of that is a lot.

Blogger Durandel Almiras June 15, 2017 4:50 PM  

Is anyone on the team working on plug-ins for other browsers to get Wikipedia links to auto switch to Infogalactic?

Blogger Jon D. June 15, 2017 4:58 PM  

@2 Yeah it sounds small when phrased 1% but I was very impressed with that number.

Thank you very much for the shout out, Vox!

Blogger Gaiseric June 15, 2017 5:05 PM  

An Infogalactic android app will cut my last tether to Wikipedia. Also getting the images populated.

Anonymous Eduardo June 15, 2017 5:12 PM  

What if it is Uncyclopedia level of content... Free of content... Got it?

Come on their slogan is pretty damn funny!

Infogalactic needs a slogan like that:

"Wikipedia had to go back"
"Of whales and Knowledge there is only Day"
"All your databases are belong to us"
"Where knowledge means something"
"We don't care... If you don't like this"
"We don't care"
"Trump approved common knowledge"
"Fixing the turd your teacher let out this morning"
"Because reason... F Wales"
"Drink more knowledge" (because nonsense wins)
"Your everyday encyclopedia for the everyday Joe"
"Hollywood dissaproves this ;-)"
"Cause a life without Social Justice is a life worthy living and fighting for"
"Our Editor's bodies are ready!"
"My Native Indian friend went to Bangladesh and only brought me this Encyclopedia"
"Scalzi sucks..."
"Deus Vult, and does thee!"
"Wikipedia is for fags - Milo"
"Infogalactic, the Free Encyclopedia BS-Free"
"Vox Day didn't do anything wrong"
"First Internet Encyclopedia featured in FarCry series"
"Unlike Windows 10 update, we give you choice"
"Check our facebook-banned news!"
"Check our facebook-banned information"
"Check us... We are banned on facebook!"
"Putin uses this encyclopedia... Just sayin'"
"MLK had a dream: Infogalactic"
"You know that taste in your mouth this morning? Infogalactic might have the answer"
"Get mind raped! Without consent or regret"
"Are you triggered yet?"
"You know that taste on Jimbo's mouth? Infogalactic!"

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 15, 2017 5:19 PM  

I can't stand to use wikipedia at all. It already can't compare to infogalactic, which is shocking.

I include non-controversial topics here.

New history entries have evidence for an often unknown core Truth instead of a superstructural Mononarrative, parading as truth. New technical entries are at once more precise and more accessible. Science entries tend to center on results of methods and tests for hypotheses rather than a multicult Just So story.

It also has much, much cleaner and user-friendly opening summaries.

Hey, is there any way that the two curated news feeds can create and autopopulate a new sourced IG entry stub? It would be pretty easy for Galaxians to link and incorporate those entries as necessary.

Anonymous M.C. Tuggle June 15, 2017 5:37 PM  

I linked to Infogalactic today on my writing blog. I never use Wiki any more.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 15, 2017 5:52 PM  

I linked to Infogalactic today on my writing blog. I never use Wiki any more.

Likewise. It's gone down the memory hole.

Anonymous Upenn Engineer June 15, 2017 5:57 PM  

We also need to ways to counter the left's massive bot networks, and chinese click scams.

Blogger Cynic In Chief June 15, 2017 6:03 PM  

There is already an Android app for Infogalactic News/Tech that I've been using. I just wish the Infosextant plugin worked on Firefox for Android, it works great on the desktop.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat June 15, 2017 6:20 PM  

I don't link to Wikipedia as a matter of principle. i've found Infogalactic to be at least as good and usually better on the factual slde, but not quite as easy to access or use. I suspect some of that is due to the inherent bias of converged organisations like Apple and Google

Anonymous andon June 15, 2017 6:55 PM  

bye bye Wikipropaganda

Anonymous MawBTS June 15, 2017 7:11 PM  

What's the plan to grow the site's traffic? SEMrush says it's getting 10k organic hits a day, which isn't great. Vox Popoli gets twice as many. And there's no growth.

It reminds me of Reaxxion, which was launched from the heat generated by Gamergate. This was its undoing: people lost interest in Gamergate, with Reaxxion's traffic declining right in step. And Reaxxion relied on staff writers for its site content. Here, the dwindling traffic is supposed to WRITE the site content.

Real talk: I don't know what Infogalactic is for, or why I'd use it. It's an unbiased Wikipedia? Every Wikipedia fork says it's an unbiased Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself says it's an unbiased Wikipedia.

The site's full feature set (the ability to switch between viewpoints, etc) sounds interesting. But they don't exist yet. As of now, most of Infogalactic seems to be copied from Wikipedia, which defeats the purpose.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 7:14 PM  

Real talk: I don't know what Infogalactic is for, or why I'd use it. It's an unbiased Wikipedia? Every Wikipedia fork says it's an unbiased Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself says it's an unbiased Wikipedia.

If you can't figure it out, then you have no need of it.

The site's full feature set (the ability to switch between viewpoints, etc) sounds interesting. But they don't exist yet. As of now, most of Infogalactic seems to be copied from Wikipedia, which defeats the purpose.

You're clearly not smart enough to use it. Stick with Wikipedia. They'll tell you what to think and spare you the trouble.

Blogger Lazarus June 15, 2017 7:16 PM  

MawBTS wrote:Real talk: I don't know what Infogalactic is for, or why I'd use it.

Did you even read the post??

Anonymous Patron June 15, 2017 7:22 PM  

“We are designing a very different system that allows the user, rather than the admin, to determine which version of the page he sees,” Vox said. “Our perspective filters will render the power of the admin entirely irrelevant with regards to content; we are utilizing a horizontal model rather than a vertical one. So, there is no reason whatsoever to engage in edit wars. It’s not applicable.”

A part of me wonders if you're not underestimating the totalitarian impulse of the SJWs here, Vox. From their point of view, there can only be one correct (ie, their own) point of view, and so the perspective filters IG will use must be converged.

Maybe I'm worrying over nothing, but I hope there will be something in place to prevent a bunch of SJW moles manipulating the perspective filters in this way. It doesn't matter if I select an Alt-Right filter if I still only see a Maoist version of the page after all.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 7:25 PM  

A part of me wonders if you're not underestimating the totalitarian impulse of the SJWs here, Vox. From their point of view, there can only be one correct (ie, their own) point of view, and so the perspective filters IG will use must be converged.

First, I literally wrote the book on SJWs. Do you really think I am inclined to underestimate them?

Second, have some confidence in my design abilities. They can try whatever they like. Their very efforts to subvert the filters will only make them stronger.

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2017 7:25 PM  

Wiki is good for telling you how many ounces in a pound, or the number of teeth in a great white shark.
That's about it.

Scalise is in the same hospital that cared for Seth Rich.
Hence a bullet wound to the pelvis will probably kill him.

He is in the swamp being cared for by swamp doctors and having his care reported by swamp reporters..

And Mueller has their backing as independent council.

When they murdered at Waco, no one spoke up. So now they are coming for .......... and Wiki can't speak up. Because they are the ones coming.
Wiki are to encyclopedias what CNN is to investigative journalism.

911, jumpers remembered. There is such a long list to remember.

Blogger B F June 15, 2017 7:41 PM  

Unable to use Brave yet as it crushes my system with RAM usage over time. Almost like a memory leak. So I'm stuck with Chrome for the time being. But the plugin InfoSextant for Chrome is freaking awesome. Click a link for Wikipedia and you're automatically re-directed to the corresponding page on Infogalatic. I love it.

Anonymous MendoScot June 15, 2017 7:47 PM  

:i

I saw what you did there.

Anonymous andon June 15, 2017 7:54 PM  

Click a link for Wikipedia and you're automatically re-directed to the corresponding page on Infogalatic.

isnt there a better way to do this in the Hosts file?

Blogger Jack Ward June 15, 2017 7:56 PM  

@18 VD
Their very efforts to subvert the filters will only make them stronger.
Sounds lot like a Jedi Master from the iconic Star Wars 1.
Very appropriate, I say.

Blogger Dave June 15, 2017 7:57 PM  

Real talk: I don't know what Infogalactic is for, or why I'd use it. It's an unbiased Wikipedia? Every Wikipedia fork says it's an unbiased Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself says it's an unbiased Wikipedia.

And CNN is real news. No, seriously.


Jon, you should activate the "Look Inside" feature on Amazon. I did grab the sample. It's classified as children's ebook? Is that YA?

Anonymous MawBTS June 15, 2017 7:57 PM  

You're clearly not smart enough to use it. Stick with Wikipedia. They'll tell you what to think and spare you the trouble.

The issue is that the internet has been here before, and we have some history to draw on.

Citizendium failed, and it failed for reasons readily apparent in the aftermath. Infogalactic, either by accident or design, has many of those same issues.

Wikipedia has problems, and maybe it would be good if someone replaced it with something better. But I don't think anyone can. The Wikis that succeed either focus on some niche topic that Wikipedia can't or won't cover (Wookiepedia, CWCki), or are general-knowledge Wikis with an obvious editorial bias (RationalWiki, Conservapedia). In both cases, they're not in direct competition with Wikipedia and its massive economies of scale. Infogalactic is, as was Citizendium.

Anonymous Saracen III June 15, 2017 7:59 PM  

"as this page" [i:Grenfell Tower]
Local time should be UTC, not UTC+1 (Central Europe).

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 8:11 PM  

Citizendium failed, and it failed for reasons readily apparent in the aftermath. Infogalactic, either by accident or design, has many of those same issues.

No, it really doesn't. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You can't even figure out what it is for.

Wikipedia has problems, and maybe it would be good if someone replaced it with something better. But I don't think anyone can.

That's nice. You're hardly the first to believe it is impossible. And you'll be wrong like the rest of them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2017 8:22 PM  

andon wrote:isnt there a better way to do this in the Hosts file?
no. The URL within the site is different. Just replacing the host name won't resolve.

Although, that could easily be handled with a link on the web server end, it's not worth it. Wiki will eventually be driven into bankruptcy, and when the next milepost is implemented the URL structure will be different, there's no sense putting effort into making the links temporarily compatible.

Blogger Drew June 15, 2017 8:38 PM  

Create a better visual editor and Wikipedians will flock to Infogalactic.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 15, 2017 8:44 PM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Citizendium

Physiognomy is real. And whatever was put forward was bound to fail.

Also, there's a reason the funders are called the "Burn Unit".

Anonymous Looking Glass June 15, 2017 8:47 PM  

@27 VD

As a slight aside, while a lot of Alt-Tech ventures are bound to fail (becaues that's the nature of trying a lot of things), I'm noticing that most of these projects aren't all that expensive. It's funny to think that the damage a lot of Online Services caused to tradition Services might have been overstaffed by a factor of 5 or so.

Craigslist is clearly the real model, rather than Whorebook or DeadBird.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2017 8:48 PM  

It reminds me of Reaxxion, [....]
Real talk: I don't know what Infogalactic is for, or why I'd use it.


You don't know what it is, but you know what it reminds you of. That's a neat trick.

How long until Wikipedia's occasional begging sessions become constant? Speaking of broken models.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 15, 2017 9:05 PM  

Thanks for the reminder. I resubscribed to the burn unit. The earlier sub had lapsed due to credit card problems.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2017 9:13 PM  

Drew wrote:Create a better visual editor and Wikipedians will flock to Infogalactic.
Who wants them? They're the problem, not the editing software.

Blogger praetorian June 15, 2017 9:31 PM  

OT: We can't study IQ because someone might say something mean about jews, which is therefore not science.

No one denies this.

http://www.vdare.com/posts/vox-demonizing-charles-murray-is-really-about-protecting-jews

Blogger SteelPalm June 15, 2017 9:34 PM  

@34 Snidely Whiplash

Eh, it depends. I used to edit (utterly non-political articles) for a couple of years on Wikipedia.

There were a lot of SJWs, even on non-political subjects, and it was especially bad among the higher-ups. (The top administrators Vox talks about are practically 100% leftist scumbags)

However, among the rank-and-file editors, who hadn't engaged in entryism nor cared for it, most were not SJWs, and a large percentage were against its Narrative.

So attracting a portion of rank-and-file Wikipedia editors would be good, if appropriate safeguards were put in place.

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Anonymous DirkH June 15, 2017 10:33 PM  

"Jon also has a new book out from Superversive Press. I have to say, I like the cover."

The cover looks good. The title is great. But as a German, the name "von Monocle" is just TOO wrong and cringeworthy. It's like "Duke Of Spectacles".

Blogger Fenris Wulf June 15, 2017 11:28 PM  

MawBTS wrote:In both cases, they're not in direct competition with Wikipedia and its massive inefficiencies of scale.
Fixed that for you.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 16, 2017 2:00 AM  

Real talk: I don't know what Infogalactic is for, or why I'd use it.

I don't know why you'd use it either. Clearly you already know everything there is to know in your secret kingdom.

Keep calm and Fedora on, Your Highness.

Anonymous JAG June 16, 2017 2:20 AM  

MawBTS wrote:You're clearly not smart enough to use it. Stick with Wikipedia. They'll tell you what to think and spare you the trouble.

The issue is that the internet has been here before, and we have some history to draw on.

Citizendium failed, and it failed for reasons readily apparent in the aftermath. Infogalactic, either by accident or design, has many of those same issues.

Wikipedia has problems, and maybe it would be good if someone replaced it with something better. But I don't think anyone can. The Wikis that succeed either focus on some niche topic that Wikipedia can't or won't cover (Wookiepedia, CWCki), or are general-knowledge Wikis with an obvious editorial bias (RationalWiki, Conservapedia). In both cases, they're not in direct competition with Wikipedia and its massive economies of scale. Infogalactic is, as was Citizendium.


Not everybody is tall enough for the ride. Stay in your safe space at Wikipedia. You can go make some edits and really show us!

Blogger Wolfman at Large June 16, 2017 5:02 AM  

Off Topic but I ask you gentlemen to humor me.

Search for "Bad Baby Colors" on Youtube.
Do you notice anything unusual or say pizza-scented?

Anonymous Kentucky Headhunter June 16, 2017 7:38 AM  

@Eduardo

How about, "Wikipedia?!?! Fuck you, I'm Infogalactic!"

Kentucky Headhunter

Blogger Lucas June 16, 2017 7:46 AM  

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Blogger Lucas June 16, 2017 7:48 AM  

Thank God for the alt-tech. Having been banned from Facebook over 15 times, I finally learned my lesson.: Medium, Minds and Gab.

Blogger Lucas June 16, 2017 7:54 AM  

Wikipedia has problems, and maybe it would be good if someone replaced it with something better. But I don't think anyone can.

Conservapedia seems to be doing fine.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 16, 2017 8:12 AM  

Join the Burn Unit and get the exclusive t-shirt.

It looks great and it's the perfect conversation starter. If you're single, chicks dig it too.

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