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Tuesday, June 27, 2017

Darkstream: Alt-Lite vs Alt White

In tonight's Darkstream, I discussed the reason for the occasional conflict between Alt Lite and Alt-Right, and described the three types of Alt Lite. I also explained why one type will become Alt-Right, the second will, albeit with difficulty, and the third type will not.

Go ahead and pound on the third type. They're not really on the side of Western civilization.

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Blogger roughcoat June 27, 2017 8:26 PM  

Interesting stream. Re: the "European Identity" thing, what you say makes perfect sense. I'm American, and even though Canada is right next door--I've lived most of my life a short drive away from the Canadian border--I feel no particular kinship with them, white or not. Why should it be any different in Europe?

If someone came along and told me we needed to work toward a North American identity, I'd tell them to piss off.

Anonymous A. Conservative June 27, 2017 8:39 PM  

I'm not sure where I fall on the Alt-Lite. I will admit the racial/identity politics does seem just like the SJWs. How can I suddenly support identity stuff when I've been critical of this leftist idea for 25 years? It is hypocritical and I'd be contradicting myself. Just last year I was equating SJWs with Nazis on my Facebook page. Now you want me to team up with Richard Spencer and white nationalists? How will I explain that to the SJWs?? It is a bridge too far for many of us. Plus in my case I married a Jewish woman, and yes we adopted kids from Africa. Am I supposed to divorce my wife and send my kids back? In the end, most of us reluctantly voted Trump so I guess we qualify as Alt-Lite. But I remain convinced there is only one race... the human race. Sorry for my longish rant.

Blogger Quilp June 27, 2017 8:42 PM  

I hope that (3) was parody....oof

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 27, 2017 8:42 PM  

Roughcoat,

I feel like that when I get off the plane in Pittsburgh or Los Angeles, let alone Canada.

Blogger roughcoat June 27, 2017 8:45 PM  

Yeah, no kidding. There are quite a few chunks of America I'd gladly lop off. Starting with NYC and Philly.

Anonymous andon June 27, 2017 8:46 PM  

thanks to Judeo Christ for uploading this stuff to YouTube

Anonymous SPX June 27, 2017 8:47 PM  

Just last year I was equating SJWs with Nazis on my Facebook page.

Yeah, but did everyone at Dairy Queen clap?

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki June 27, 2017 8:47 PM  

Most of Cali definitely qualifies as well.

Blogger Durandel Almiras June 27, 2017 8:48 PM  

@6 Well part of the political dynamic is the Urban Locusts vs. the Rest of America.

Blogger Matthew June 27, 2017 8:49 PM  

A. Conservative wrote:Sorry for my longish rant.

No, you're not. But it's okay, because nobody gives a shit about what you think.

Blogger Durandel Almiras June 27, 2017 8:52 PM  

Also OT: Black Pigeon Speaks posted a song by Byron de la Vandal that just makes me think of Kipling's The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0UwYzKcLY

"Something is coming / just stop and you'll hear it.
A stiff cup of tea and a stiff upper lip is no match for a fist.
And so I enlist."

Alt-Right music...finally.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 27, 2017 8:54 PM  

Nathan,

That video takes me back to my childhood, watching my mom and dad dance around the living room while he sang 1940's tunes to her.

Amazing stuff.

Blogger Matthew June 27, 2017 8:54 PM  

Nathan wrote:Off topic, but important.

No, it's not. This is not your blog.

Blogger Matthew June 27, 2017 8:54 PM  

I swear you people.

Blogger Lovekraft June 27, 2017 8:56 PM  

How did Canada get dragged into this? JK. No, we act like we're better than the Americans while making sure none of them are around when we say it.

Still pushing my alt-whatever in terms of where the resources can best be applied. A carpenter/engineer's approach to a political problem.

Blogger roughcoat June 27, 2017 9:07 PM  

I don't have a beef with Canada, I just don't ever think about it as anything other than that snowy place with expensive gas where I can't bring guns when I want to get between Alaska and the lower 48 by road.

Blogger weka June 27, 2017 9:13 PM  

@Lovekraft.
Canada is a warning to conservatives. It is what happens if you nobly lose. It shows the progressive end game.

The question is if the New Canadians will destroy Thier masters for insults to the prophet and being gay or the old Canadians will hand them for treason.

Blogger weka June 27, 2017 9:14 PM  

Hang. Phone....

Anonymous Andrew Anglin June 27, 2017 9:17 PM  

neither alt-Lite nor alt-Right nor alt-Whatever is capable of Naming the Jew. As such, they have already been converged and are part of the (((System))), busy polishing the doorknobs on their new DC "offices". Same route as Conservatism Inc.: Jew'd.

hardRight: no enemies on the Right.

Blogger Ezekiel June 27, 2017 9:25 PM  

@2

>>Am I supposed to divorce my wife and send my kids back?

That's almost exactly what Nehemiah instructed the people of Israel to do with their foreign wives and children. And as far as prophets of the Lord go, he was one of the nicer ones; ask your wife about the Heresy of Peor sometime.

Anonymous kfg June 27, 2017 9:26 PM  

@17: "I don't have a beef with Canada . . ."

But didja ever notice that even Canadians won't go near most of it?

And the black fly, little black fly,
always the black fly no matter where you go.

Blogger Ezekiel June 27, 2017 9:55 PM  

Ezekiel wrote:@2
That's almost exactly what Nehemiah instructed the people of Israel to do with their foreign wives and children. And as far as prophets of the Lord go, he was one of the nicer ones; ask your wife about the Heresy of Peor sometime.


Vox Day has been over this before, incidentally:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/04/mailvox-but-what-about-fill-in-blanks.html

Personally, if I was in the place of someone like A. Conservative (mixed family of "others", able to see which way the historical winds are blowing, knowing that a post-civic, post-homogenous and post-prosperous America is going to be a very unpleasant place for me and mine) then what I'd do is find to some place way out in the boondocks where what few neighbours I have are too distant and poor to give a damn what shade my grandkids are going to be. Grab a few more misfits if possible, form an obscure little tribe of our own and work our way into the mainstream of whatever replaces our current system, assuming of course that I desire to do so.

He would not be the first American to have done this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon

Anonymous Walter Oleg June 27, 2017 10:03 PM  

roughcoat wrote:Interesting stream. Re: the "European Identity" thing, what you say makes perfect sense. I'm American, and even though Canada is right next door--I've lived most of my life a short drive away from the Canadian border--I feel no particular kinship with them, white or not. Why should it be any different in Europe?

If someone came along and told me we needed to work toward a North American identity, I'd tell them to piss off.


I grew up 5 minutes from Canada and feel closer to them than I do with much of America. My "nation" in America would be the Midwest, great lakes, and NE outside the major cities. If I had to choose between a White Canada or White South to live, I'd pick Canada. The weather alone is a major reason, as I can't tolerate hot weather. But if a White ethno-state opened up the in the South ( and nowhere else) you better believe I'd be eatin' cornbread in air-conditioning by the end of the week.

With that said, I think this was a good dark stream. Like Vox, I believe we're headed for "Mountains of Skulls," as the Tower of Babylon always comes down hard. One of the reasons I advocate Christianity is to mitigate the size of the "Mountains of Skulls."

Andrew Anglin wrote:neither alt-Lite nor alt-Right nor alt-Whatever is capable of Naming the Jew. As such, they have already been converged and are part of the (((System))), busy polishing the doorknobs on their new DC "offices". Same route as Conservatism Inc.: Jew'd.

hardRight: no enemies on the Right.


Hey Anglin, how come you used to label your site as the "World's Most visited Alt-Right website?"

Blogger Gary Eden June 27, 2017 10:05 PM  

The reason so many have a problem with Alt-Right/Alt-White isn't just that it conflicts with civic nationalism, but that we've been indoctrinated to be ashamed of our ethnic heritage. It feels wrong to be proud of whiteness or favor white babies.

But to love ones own kind is not only natural, its Godly. So get over it.

As to the ridiculousness of White Nationalism from a European perspective; true, but its inescapable from an American perspective. Sure, 'American' is more proper. But its also meaningless unless you tie it to 'white', which gets you right back where we started.

Blogger Ezekiel June 27, 2017 10:07 PM  

Andrew Anglin wrote:neither alt-Lite nor alt-Right nor alt-Whatever is capable of Naming the Jew. As such, they have already been converged and are part of the (((System))), busy polishing the doorknobs on their new DC "offices". Same route as Conservatism Inc.: Jew'd.

hardRight: no enemies on the Right.

I formally gave up on church after realizing that there ain't one left in driving distance that would approve of me being half as defensive of my culture as Netanyahu is of his, but if you're telling me that (((they))) have the power to converge Kek too now then all I want to know is how do I convert to Judaism?

Blogger ZhukovG June 27, 2017 10:08 PM  

Excellent Darkstream Vox. As for those people in 'complicated' situations. You have my sympathy, but there is little anyone can do. The winds of change often blow bitterly cold.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 27, 2017 10:10 PM  

Lots of complications from 1861-1865.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 27, 2017 10:25 PM  

I am loving; "The Kekistanis."

Currently watching peri, I dislike any snarking/division; its wastes time whatever valid opinions are do not apply to what is misguided.

So I'm going watch n' wait.

LGBT: Leggings, guns, burgers and tactics, the alt's are practicing at (like sports one practices but does not succeed at a sport) or with tactics, our host is a wargamer so this peri is going great.

Currently heating into the 10 ins left segment.



Great work!

Blogger Happy LP9 June 27, 2017 10:27 PM  

OT: oops currently hearing into 20 mins.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 27, 2017 10:34 PM  

Walter Oleg wrote:Hey Anglin, how come you...
That's not Andrew, it is a pathetic loser who pretends to be Andrew Anglin, apparently so he can degrade Andrew's reputation with his constant displays of low IQ and low T. he's been asked to stop, but evidently reading comprehension isn't his strength.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 27, 2017 10:39 PM  

Alt-lite seems to me to be mostly the old Concon and they really mean it this time, well till they get called sexist, racist and homophobic, then it's punch right time, boooooring

Blogger Lazarus June 27, 2017 10:50 PM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:Alt-Right music...finally.

Well done, but still just a complaint. Until the "moderate" muslims fear and respect the Westerners more than they fear or respect the jihadis, the battle is lost.

Songs will not do that, violence will.

Not that violence and killing is a good idea. Nothing was ever solved by violence.

Well, except wars, for instance. Not that we are at war with Islam.

I am not suggesting that at all.

Where would you get that idea?

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 27, 2017 10:54 PM  

Vox Hispanics including illegals is 18% of the US blacks 13% asians 5.5% multiracial some other race(Jews,Arabs,multiracial people in general)3.5%. Actual whites 60% and quite stable. Don't gas light.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 27, 2017 10:54 PM  

We don't have more deaths than births yet we are where the Swiss are as a demographic not as a nation unfortunately:(

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 27, 2017 11:22 PM  

Antonio scalzone wrote:We don't have more deaths than births yet...
Only if you include illegal alien anchor babies and welfare qualifiers.
Really dude, bringing in foreigners to have the babies White women won't have is not a long-term solution.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 27, 2017 11:25 PM  

No white people still have not suffered a national sized natural decrease only in New England and California, BTW the fertility rate is 1.9. Also did you even read my comment?

Blogger Lazarus June 27, 2017 11:35 PM  

Everybody began assuming the Israelis would be in trouble because the arabs would outbreed them (with low I.Q. spawn from cousin marriages, no less) but the orthodox are breeding the next generations while the leftist jews don't have kids. The demographic has shifted in recent years.

Ergo, American Christians have to breed up, not import nig-nogs from the boonies, yes? It is a simple proposition.

Not a Proposition Nation, but a Proposition FOR the Nation.

Propagation For The Nation. Bumper sticker THAT.

Get yer dicks out for propagation.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 27, 2017 11:38 PM  

Three steps ahead of you.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 27, 2017 11:39 PM  

Ashkenazi Jews are speeding up the decline of whites in America and isolating the heissitic and orthodox communities which number at 2.5 million. If you seperate Jews from non Hispanic whites it's actually a pretty stable demographic.

Anonymous trev006 June 27, 2017 11:40 PM  

If your movement depends on crafting a brand new identity out of nothing, it will inevitably fail. Whether that's one-worldism, the European Union, or a white American ethnostate. Excessive idealism pretty much defines the problem. I don't have problems with an American state that looks after the interests of whites- it's manifestly not what we have now. Personally I'd like an American Christian theocracy with room for heterodoxy, with John Wright writing speeches for the new leader, but that's even more idealistic than the failed ideologies I already mentioned. You don't need a test- just be able to say you're on the side of your people. If they accept you, you're in.

So just keep acting against the left- that's quite enough work for anyone here! Even cucks might come along for the ride- keep pointing out that the left, which includes most of the minorities they love, are ready to punch them every time they say "I don't see color." Then point out that South Africa is a "color-blind" nation. Ask if they'd like to live there instead.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 27, 2017 11:42 PM  

"Whites are 60% and quite stable."
20 years ago, Whites were 70%.
40 years ago, Whites were 80%
50 years ago, Whites were 85%.
On what planet is that stable?

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 27, 2017 11:46 PM  

I don't know maybe because fiscal 2016 had the slowest rate of ethnic change since the 1950s.

Blogger Wolfman at Large June 27, 2017 11:50 PM  

@38 Pork Sword Crusade. Cause those white babies aren't going to make themselves.

Anonymous Bukulu June 27, 2017 11:54 PM  

Ah but you can, as long as you're talking about manually operated rifles, and long-barreled revolvers. Plus a s*** ton of paperwork...

Anonymous Luke June 28, 2017 12:13 AM  

2. A. Conservative June 27, 2017 8:39 PM
"I'm not sure where I fall on the Alt-Lite. I will admit the racial/identity politics does seem just like the SJWs. How can I suddenly support identity stuff when I've been critical of this leftist idea for 25 years? It is hypocritical and I'd be contradicting myself. Just last year I was equating SJWs with Nazis on my Facebook page. Now you want me to team up with Richard Spencer and white nationalists? How will I explain that to the SJWs?? It is a bridge too far for many of us. Plus in my case I married a Jewish woman, and yes we adopted kids from Africa. Am I supposed to divorce my wife and send my kids back?"

The kids need to leave. The wife needs to not have the vote, and if she doesn't exhibit good behavior (no libtard politicing/mud-enabling), she would need to leave. As long as you knock off the libtard stuff and don't do it anymore, we'll hold our nose and let you stay.

Anonymous andon June 28, 2017 12:18 AM  

43. Blogger Antonio scalzone June 27, 2017 11:46 PM
I don't know maybe because fiscal 2016 had the slowest rate of ethnic change since the 1950s.


do you believe the govt numbers since 2008?

i dont

Blogger tz June 28, 2017 12:19 AM  

@12 Alt-Right music: Lenin in the john:
All we are saying...
Is give war a chance...

@2 You don't have to team up with Richard Spencer, but you need to not punch or otherwise attack him. Your wife might create some problems with flexibility, but there is a book in the bible about one queen among many - poly-Esther. Your children, if raised properly can return and attempt to redeem and prop up their native land. They would be a gift there, but something lesser here.

There are multiple nations and races. The converse of reversion to the mean is hybrid vigor. But if you didn't want to help Africa as such, why did you adopt africans? To keep them as pets? As a sideshow?

Africa will be dying - literally - soon of disease and starvation. Black Americans can help and probably have a better life as they can actually make a lot of white invented infrastructure function. Africa will be far better off with empowered, educated Africans returning from the western hemisphere.

Blogger tz June 28, 2017 12:21 AM  

For those who don't want to wade through the video to the punch-line (literally?), the third type are the cucks that refuse to look at reality. The first are unconvinced but without intellectual baggage. The second are those who have structural or logistic problems (@2) to go alt-right. The third are just cucks who will not see.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2017 12:34 AM  

@43
I don't know maybe because fiscal 2016 had the slowest rate of ethnic change since the 1950s.

So?

Anonymous andon June 28, 2017 12:37 AM  

i have heard that "hybrid vigor" really doesnt apply to humans and that the healthiest offspring result from marriages between people that are genetically somewhat distant from each other but that still share the same race or ethnicity.

Blogger Kristophr June 28, 2017 12:47 AM  

tz wrote:@12 Alt-Right music: Lenin in the john:

All we are saying...

Is give war a chance...

@2 You don't have to team up with Richard Spencer, but you need to not punch or otherwise attack him. Your wife might create some problems with flexibility, but there is a book in the bible about one queen among many - poly-Esther. Your children, if raised properly can return and attempt to redeem and prop up their native land. They would be a gift there, but something lesser here.

There are multiple nations and races. The converse of reversion to the mean is hybrid vigor. But if you didn't want to help Africa as such, why did you adopt africans? To keep them as pets? As a sideshow?

Africa will be dying - literally - soon of disease and starvation. Black Americans can help and probably have a better life as they can actually make a lot of white invented infrastructure function. Africa will be far better off with empowered, educated Africans returning from the western hemisphere.


If the conversion of the US into a third world socialist crap-hole continues, they will be dying plenty damned fast. American grain, medicine, and money are the only things keeping them alive, right now.

Local African farmers have stopped growing grain, because they can't compete with the free handouts.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable June 28, 2017 12:53 AM  

Gary Eden wrote:As to the ridiculousness of White Nationalism from a European perspective; true, but its inescapable from an American perspective. Sure, 'American' is more proper. But its also meaningless unless you tie it to 'white', which gets you right back where we started.

You see why I use Unhyphenated-American? As a bonus the stealthers get huffy and exclude themselves with no work on my part.

Anonymous llsepher June 28, 2017 1:31 AM  

The embracing of this idea that "there is only one race... the human race" is conducive to the abolishment of the more noble, beautiful, and intelligent races that make the world worth living in. If humanity was averaged out, we would be incapable of sustaining civilization, therefore, we absolutely cannot accept the proposition that we are all one race, on, if nothing else, purely practical grounds.

Blogger tublecane June 28, 2017 2:30 AM  

@2-"It is hypocritical and I'd be contradicting myself"

You'd be contradicting your former self, but it wouldn't hypocritical if you actually changed your mind.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2017 2:37 AM  

tublecane wrote:it wouldn't hypocritical if you actually changed your mind.
It's said that "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind."
That's some hobgoblin he's got going there.

Blogger tublecane June 28, 2017 2:56 AM  

@1-"I feel no particular kinship with them[Canadians], white or not"

Canada is a good example. I'm a Minnesotan, have known Canadians, and have visited Canada. I have also consumed plenty of Canadian pop culture. But I, too, feel no particular kinship with them.

There is a certain amount of relative fellow-feeling, though. America and Canada have the same mommy: England. I'm not ethnically English, but my ancestors have been here for several generations. The deep culture of this country, the part that people don't think about, the part that forms anthropologists' "folkways," is largely English. So I've absorbed some of it, and I can recognize it in other English-derived countries, like Canada.

But that only gets you as far as "I'm more Canadian than I am Russian," or, "I'm more Canadian/Russian than I am Nigerian." It doesn't mean I identify with them. I probably wouldn't even if I spent the rest of my life in Canada.

If it weren't for the accents, I could watch Canadian movies or tv and mistake it for American. That could be the monocultural effect of modern liberalism, though. I've been steeped in British culture all my life, too, of the high, middling, and low variety. Of course, I speak their language, and though I was raised Catholic I can think like an Anglican at least more than I can think like a Buddhist or a Muslim. What does all this amount to? Not much. The pop and high culture stuff alike is superficial. But whatever folkways we may share end up being fairly superficial, too.

How far do they get you? You can't build a nation out of that. I'm pretty sure you can't build one out of transplanted Germans, Irish, Italians, etc., either. I'm not entirely sure you can build one out of Californians and Tennesseans, for instance, even if they all used to be Englishmen.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones June 28, 2017 3:08 AM  

The Dot-head Indians continue their rise in activity and aggression in Canada. The Hindoo next door invited Hindoo friends over on the weekend, and they spent their time with paintball guns shooting at targets in the back yard. Their pudgy bodies and scowling faces made me laugh. They think THAT will make me flee the neighborhood?

I know it is only paintball, but I hope noone in the house behind them got hurt.

The Hindoo and Muslim are swarming into the same neighborhoods, and conflict will come to a head. But not before they drive whitey out.

People have said before to flee Canada. But there is nowhere to flee to. Stand and deliver.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones June 28, 2017 4:41 AM  

Vox, the beard makes you look like a Conquistador. Badass.

Anonymous Clouseau June 28, 2017 4:51 AM  

Thanks to Vox for this taxonomy of the alt branches. I might fit into the first category of alt-lite, but I'm slow to adopt -isms, labels, etc., at this point in my life. But I'm here to learn more about it, because the conventional conservatives (I'm in the US) have gone off the rails (especially the NeverTrumpers) and the Dhimmicrats are, well, just insane, beyond the pale.

Also thanks to Vox for clueing me in on how to comment here.

I'm a noob here so I'll share a little intro.

I was already sick of the globalist baloney back in the 90's but all this alt stuff wasn't around back then. I had a corporate job where the CEO was an uber-globalist. I knew something massively wrong was going on at the time of GATT (Uruguay round), NAFTA, and giving MFN trade status to China, but I couldn't see anybody serious on the political landscape opposing it. (I suppose Perot tried but I just couldn't take him that seriously.) All I knew was that the US was being sold out. Glad to see there's a political movement emerging to oppose globalism. I didn't see it coming but I tend to be a late adopter.

Anyway, glad to find this place finally. Hope this comment isn't too lengthy or off-topic.

Anonymous Have Monahan June 28, 2017 5:45 AM  

tz wrote:Africa will be dying - literally - soon of disease and starvation. Black Americans can help and probably have a better life as they can actually make a lot of white invented infrastructure function. Africa will be far better off with empowered, educated Africans returning from the western hemisphere.

Black Americans will be no more welcome as "saviours" in Africa than White Americans would be in EVROPA.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 28, 2017 6:26 AM  

A few points of clarification concerning white nationalism:

1. It is inaccurate to posit an inherent conflict between white nationalism and omninationalism. The overwhelming bulk of white nationalists are perfectly fine with non-whites having countries of their own.

2. Most white nationalists are supportive of particular white ethnic groups maintaining their own countries. They do not seek to homogenize all whites, but they do recognize other whites as kindred peoples, likely facing a common fate. We cannot return to the nationalism of the past where whites slaughtered one another with reckless abandon. White nationalism is updated nationalism.

3. I think it's a bit much to claim that there is no European identity. There clearly is, and long has been. Europeans (excepting the ones that are insane) understand that they are part of a civilizational bloc that is not Islamic, Oriental, African, etc. We trace our roots back to ancient Rome & Greece and, yes, to barbarian tribes in dark forests. The concept of Europe is not new, and the nations of Europe have long understood their distinctiveness in a largely non-white world. Wherever the European diaspora ended up, racial laws were created which distinguished whites from non-whites.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 7:29 AM  

Wouldn't you guys want a stable healthy demographic instead of just being overwhelmingly white like New England where it's a solid 85% white and overwhelmingly liberal cause they've expirenced non diversity.

Blogger VD June 28, 2017 7:30 AM  

I think it's a bit much to claim that there is no European identity.

I live in Europe. There is as much "European" identity as there is "Asian" identity among people living in Asia. It is irrelevant.

Americans who don't consider Mexicans and El Salvadorans to be American should not have a problem understanding this. Germans are not Italians are not French are not Scottish. The identity trend is towards smaller, more homogeneous nations, not larger, less homogeneous nations.

See: Great Britain, Spain.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 28, 2017 7:57 AM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:Also OT: Black Pigeon Speaks posted a song ...

Alt-Right music...finally.


Rather ironic, given the source. He can be soooo good, and then he lashes out at the alt-right and ethno-nationalism.

He disparages the left for virtue signalling, and then, yep, he virtue signals: "I'm not a racist!"

Blogger Sam Spade June 28, 2017 8:53 AM  

@61

European identity doesn't exist

I'm Spanish, and I don't have much in common with Portuguese and French people, let alone British and Germans, although I wish them the best and I want our countries to have good diplomatic relationships.

Each country in Europe has its own identity and culture. PERIOD.

Anonymous NavyJack June 28, 2017 10:43 AM  

Plus in my case I married a Jewish woman, and yes we adopted kids from Africa.

I know how you feel my black Hotep boyfriend and I foster 8 special needs non verbal black boys. What would happen to my family if the alt right came to power?

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 11:05 AM  

The rope day would arrive. BTW Hispanics(including illegals and Puerto Rico) are not 30% they're 18% blacks 13% Asians 6% mulitracial 3% jsyk that Vox

Anonymous BBGKB June 28, 2017 11:13 AM  

have heard that "hybrid vigor" really doesnt apply to humans

Hybrid vigor only matters when you can kill off the runts, whatever vigor you think you see is countered by nicu babies.

, but I couldn't see anybody serious on the political landscape opposing it

All the serious money comes from globalists, if not TRUMP we would have both JEB & Crooked Eye Clinton as both globalist choices. It was funny to see jebs (((financers))) supporting HilLIARy when Jeb petered out.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 28, 2017 12:31 PM  

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Blogger Happy LP9 June 28, 2017 12:33 PM  

Complete story(?) here; https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/25/the-sacred-oath/

The search string I recalled was "navy jack alt right dairy queen" edited;


" Give ’em hell Navy Jack!
I’m not sure what these racists even mean with words like “threat to white identity” and such. Now that we’re a minority in Texas, I’m proud that my bi-racial grandchildren will grow up in a world where they, as non-whites are THE MAJORITY. I look around the word, or in parts of the great ‘ol USA where non-whites are the majority , I admire their politics and law, their cohesiveness as a people and I see THE FUTURE!!!
ps. God bless Israel as a Jewish state and damn the racist for wanting a “place for white people”.
————–
Kudos, Navy Jack! Well put, sir.
I have watched, with no small degree of mounting disquiet, the insidious ascendance of these so-called “Alt-right” gangs since the election of President Trump.

My son and I had the great misfortune of running afoul of some of these “Alt-right” thugs in March this year.

We had stopped by a local Dairy Queen for a blizzard after church. Apon entering the establishment, I spied a trio of burly young men in Trump hats at a corner table. I didn’t think anything of it, except to note that one of them was wearing a “Pepe the Frog” (a racist comic book character) tee-shirt, and another was clad in a “Bill Clinton Is A Rapist” garment. NOT what you hope to see in a family restaurant! The third wore a blue plaid shirt so I payed him little heed.

To cut a long story short, these ruffians rapidly took an unwelcome interest in me and my son, nudging each other, looking at us, and whispering among themselves. (I should point out that my son is African American, we adopted him from Eritrea through our church).

We ignored them, of course, but that only emboldened these miscreants to begin making hooting noises and laughing! At first I refused to believe my ears I was so appalled and furiously tried to get the attention of a member of staff.

I turned to them, showing my best death stare. “Do you ‘gentlemen’ (I put a sarcastic emphasis here) have a problem?”

“Yeah!” agreed the one in the ‘Pepe the Frog” shirt, “We don’t want your kind in here! Take your son back home to Iraq, we hate race-traitors like you, this is Trump country now!”

I was ready to call the cops immediately, but my son – who had endured this tirade with the silent dignity we’ve tried so hard to inculcate in him – suddenly spoke up.
“Sir,” he said, his voice clear and firm, “I believe you were addressing me, though I confess I am not fluent in vulgarian. You appear to be suffering from some logical fallacies, to wit:"




Blogger Happy LP9 June 28, 2017 12:35 PM  

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WAIT - HOLD UP!

Vox and moderators, who is this person? I read about him this month, is the same guy any connection to the other oather whom posted some 3rd grade threat in 24 hours here as well?

Something does not seem kosher,

https://www.oathkeepers.org/navyjack-scourge-white-nationalism/

https://www.oathkeepers.org/navyjack-scourge-white-nationalism/

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Blogger S. Misanthrope June 28, 2017 1:42 PM  

This was a great Darkstream, thank you. In my experience as a thoroughly white American with pan-European heritage, it looks like most white Americans find serious attempts to posture as this or that traditional European culture extremely cringe-worthy. Sure, some of us might want to check out the Lord of the Dance, but no one wants to watch the video of your kid's clogging recital. America has its own (largely regional) traditions and culture. Why try to force it to be something it's not?

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 1:54 PM  

You know your get trolled? Are you trolling?

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 1:59 PM  

Pleas please telling me you are mocking the oath keepers? And the demographics of Texas are pretty stable for every ethnic group in the state even if its majority non white and a very conservative state. P.S if you are not trolling you sound insane. 2nd P.S non whites have stagnated and the areas they dominate suck.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2017 2:13 PM  

Antonio scalzone wrote:P.S if you are not trolling you sound insane. 2nd P.S non whites have stagnated and the areas they dominate suck.
Stop virtue signalling

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2017 2:39 PM  

Antonio scalzone
Wouldn't you guys want a stable healthy demographic instead of just being overwhelmingly white like New England where it's a solid 85% white and overwhelmingly liberal cause they've expirenced non diversity.

How old are you? 15? 75? Dude, that's a stupid question in so many different ways.

And the demographics of Texas are pretty stable for every ethnic group in the state even if its majority non white and a very conservative state.

Self contradict much?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 28, 2017 2:52 PM  

Frankly, I hope this is trolling, because the sheer cuckoldry of your words leapt off the screen and choked me.
Alt-lite sounds like a diet aide for fat girls.
I can't deal with young men who won't take stronger stances on national sovereignty than I will, as a middle aged grandmother. It feels weak and insincere. I'm willing to do whatever it takes, you guys, c'mon, let's do this thing.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 2:53 PM  

1)Because the rate of change is about the same as it was 40,50,60 years ago. 2)non white birth rates will continue to fall while white birth rates remain at 1.8-1.9.3)the white fertility rate is over replacement rate in the midwest,south, and mountain region in the US. 4)Europe will be majority non European same with Canada around the same time we will be if current trends continue (2055-2060)when we are only 60% and have been teetering around there for 7 years,while Europe was 97% European in 2011 while its only 90% , that's a ethnic rate change 1.05%(and growing) a year compared to .4% a year SINCE 2010 for the US(and slowing). 5)our ethnic rate of change is .1% a year as of fiscal 2016(July 1st 2016-July 1st 2017)6)we are still the majority of kids born a year(54%)but we are 49.9% of people 0-4 thanks to programs like daca.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2017 2:57 PM  

What is your point? That you're an idiot? That we should just roll over and be replaced?

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 2:59 PM  

I'm talking about a demographic that increases numerically,is not skewed extremely by age cohorts and has birth rate that isn't European tier low, atleast 1.9.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2017 3:05 PM  

@Antonio scalzone

Stop sperging, try to write in coherent sentences. Maybe you can make a point that is understandable.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 3:06 PM  

Do you know what stagnate means? I'm saying in the US we should 1)sustain ourselves at 60% pass voter id,and the RAISE act.2) assert ourselves 3)continue to allow the non white birth rate to fall KEEP immigration at these new historic lows 4)continue to do what we do. That is what I mean by stable and in the US and seems to be what we are doing. Also I'm only on this blog cause Vox said Hispanics are 30% of the US, but are 18% as of 2017 when even INCLUDING Puerto Rico and every fucking illegal alien(yes they're already counted)

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 3:15 PM  

I mean the Texas Anglo American population is not decreasing rapidly as matter of fact it increased by .2% as a whole of Texas from 2015-2017.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 28, 2017 3:33 PM  

Antonio scalzone wrote:I mean the Texas Anglo American population is not decreasing rapidly as matter of fact it increased by .2% as a whole of Texas from 2015-2017.

That's entirely immigration and taking people from other states . Its not growing the White population but just shifting deck chairs on the Titanic

In any case the .Alt Right stands for Truth and Western Civilization which means the people in it need to be overwhelming White European and its values Western Its not however stuck on any one social or political system or any arm of the Republican party.

if the people in that society so long as its Western prefer New England Liberalism Texas values or whatever , we don't care .

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 3:39 PM  

No it's not white Texans have a natural increase of about 50,000 a year so it's not just middle class whites fleeing Texas as a matter of fact outside liberal Austin the white demographic has sustained itself quite well. If you can't tell I am very optimistic but unless we break up the USA we can't push non whites outs. We need to seperate Jews from whites as well as to stop the skew of age cohorts(most Jews in America are elderly)(most Jews are ashkenazi Jews in the US there aren't many Orthodox Jews around)

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 28, 2017 3:43 PM  

Antonio scalzone wrote:Do you know ... English?

Even as a second language? You use many English words, but you make no sense. You aren't even wrong, you're just jabberwonky.

Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 3:58 PM  

Not trying to make complete sentences hombre.

Blogger George Johnson June 28, 2017 4:39 PM  

In order to solve a problem, you have to address the root cause.

European countries have below replacement fertility levels among their native populations. That is because most of the native populations are nominally religious or irreligious. As far as native Europeans who are religious, particularly evangelicals, they not only have replacement levels of birth, but they actually have population growth within their subpopulations.

I do realize the great benefit of not bringing Muslims into European countries. Bringing Muslims into countries is dangerous. This could easily be solved politically given the growing backlash against Muslims.

At the same time, the alt-right is a bit of getting the cart before the horse. How can the lobbyists for more immigration be thwarted if Europe has below levels of fertility among its native populations?

The time is getting short. Great efforts have to be made for Christian evangelism in Europe. The same applies to America.

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Blogger Antonio scalzone June 28, 2017 5:02 PM  

Dude white evangelicals have great growth rate in twenty ten white evangelicals were 25% of US population now in 2017 it's 30% and the majority of whites are evangelicals.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2017 6:01 PM  

George Johnson wrote:At the same time, the alt-right is a bit of getting the cart before the horse. How can the lobbyists for more immigration be thwarted if Europe has below levels of fertility among its native populations?
Was Europe underpopulated in 1930?
Europe's population is about 750 million now. Less 5% Moslem, that's about 720 million White Europeans. In 1930, the European population was just over 500 million.
Was Europe underpopulated in 1916?
In 1916, at the acme of European power, Europe had 330 million people.
Frankly, the continent could stand to lose some population.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2017 6:14 PM  

@87
Not trying to make complete sentences

What are you trying to do, besides sperg?

Anonymous Trainspotter June 28, 2017 6:20 PM  

"Americans who don't consider Mexicans and El Salvadorans to be American should not have a problem understanding this."

Mexicans and El Salvadorans are a good example. Two national identities, yet part of a broader hispanic identity as well. These things aren't mutually exclusive. The same thing exists across the planet, from the various peoples of the arab world to black Africa and beyond. Yet, somehow, magically it doesn't apply to Europeans. Somehow, a Norwegian considers a Swede just as alien to him as he would consider a Zulu. No difference in distance. (come on)

"Germans are not Italians are not French are not Scottish."

They are part of a broader European civilizational bloc. They know perfectly well that they are not part of the Oriental world, the Arab world, etc.

"The identity trend is towards smaller, more homogeneous nations, not larger, less homogeneous nations."

I agree, that is the trend. White nationalists (most) have no problem with this trend, and in fact encourage it.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 28, 2017 6:33 PM  

"I'm Spanish, and I don't have much in common with Portuguese and French people, let alone British and Germans, although I wish them the best and I want our countries to have good diplomatic relationships."

Are you saying that you don't regard your fellow Europeans as kindred peoples? That you see a Frenchman as equally alien to you as a Chinaman? A Zulu? A Hottentot?

European identity exists, and has long existed. It is real, and it is not new. In all likelihood, our fates are intertwined. And certainly anti-whites don't give a damn what our nationality is. They want whites broken and subjugated. Period. If we have no regard or loyalty toward one another, they are far more likely to succeed.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2017 6:40 PM  

@1 roughcoat

If someone came along and told me we needed to work toward a North American identity, I'd tell them to piss off.
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That's why they didn't tell you about it when they tried to sneak it in under the radar

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2017 6:50 PM  

Trainspotter wrote:European identity exists, and has long existed.
Literally no-one except the deracinated globalists, in Europe thinks of himself as "European".

Other people think of themselves differently. for instance, Arabs are a singular, trans-national culture. They all speak the same language, read the same book and live the same lifestyle. There is less cultural difference between an Ivory Coast slave trader and an Syrian college student than there is between a farmer in southern France and a farmer in northern Spain.
Europeans don't share an outlook, they don't share a language, they don't share the same music, the same literature, even the same religion. They don't share the same culture.
Saying European is not an identity doesn't mean that you therefore view all cultures are equally foreign. It means that you are not the same nation.
Are you a North American? Do you identify as a North American, alongside your Mexican and Canadian and French Canadian brothers? All one people?

The difference between a German and a Spaniard is similar to the difference between and American and a Mexican.

It's ludicrous.

Blogger Thucydides June 28, 2017 10:14 PM  

One of the issues with Canada is the nation is far more highly urbanized than even the United States, so the concentration of power, finance and influence is also far greater. What is being passed off as "Canadian" reflects the globalists in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor who occupy the corridors of power and see the rest of Canada as a resource base to be strip mined to support their interests. (John Ibbotson's book "The Big Shift" talks about the effects of Canada's demographic shift to the Western part of the nation, but was perhaps a bit premature, since the "Laurentian Elites" in the Toronto Quebec city corridor managed to orchestrate the return of a Liberal government and the plundering of Canada for their benefit).

So it is hardly surprising that Canada seems alien, the Globalists try to copy what they see as the successful part of American culture and reject the rest, and play their propaganda for their globalist ideas of immigration, single pay systems and ever expanding government power non stop to the population.

Unlike America, the hinterlands are too thinly populated to really allow for the sort of uprising that propelled President Trump to power, or supply the manpower pool to prevail in the event of a breakdown in Canadian civilization. OTOH, given the harsh climate and thinner resource base, the Canadian cities will collapse faster than the Blue cities and counties in America.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 29, 2017 12:17 AM  

"Literally no-one except the deracinated globalists, in Europe thinks of himself as "European".

Right. I must have made up the concept of European out of thin air. It clearly doesn't exist outside of my very active imagination. I'm obviously quite creative, and would like to trademark the term.

"Europeans don't share an outlook, they don't share a language, they don't share the same music, the same literature, even the same religion. They don't share the same culture."

Almost all of them speak an indo-european language. Genetically, they're far more closely related to one another than to non-white peoples. Historically and culturally, they trace their roots to Rome & Greece. But genes, history & cultural roots don't matter, right?

"Saying European is not an identity doesn't mean that you therefore view all cultures are equally foreign. It means that you are not the same nation."

Nobody is saying that Europeans constitute a single nation. They constitute numerous kindred peoples. But, by all means, get back to setting up silly straw men and knocking them down.

"Are you a North American? Do you identify as a North American, alongside your Mexican and Canadian and French Canadian brothers? All one people?"

What a ridiculous question. I would certainly feel a closer affinity with white Canadians than with mestizos, blacks and others who inhabit North America and happen to share my paperwork. This isn't about geography. It's about closely related peoples as opposed to wildly divergent peoples who happen to live on the same continent. The simple reality is that genetically and culturally, the peoples of Europe ARE more closely related to one another than non-whites. This isn't an opinion, but rather an obvious, provable fact.

"Ludicrous."

Uh huh. Here is the reality: those who argue so vociferously against creating a semblance of white solidarity (likely necessary for our survival, by the way), are either up to no good, or perhaps simply lack the chops to grasp what is being discussed. How likely is your little isolated state, regarding all others as utterly alien & unrelated, likely to stand up against a rising China? Global oligarchy? Anything?

Bottom line: we achieve at least a modicum of white solidarity, or we're done for. Whites are capable of creating high trust societies. There is no reason that the various white tribes can't work together for our mutual benefit.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 12:41 AM  

Trainspotter wrote:Uh huh. Here is the reality: those who argue so vociferously against creating a semblance of white solidarity (likely necessary for our survival, by the way), are either up to no good, or perhaps simply lack the chops to grasp what is being discussed. How likely is your little isolated state, regarding all others as utterly alien & unrelated, likely to stand up against a rising China? Global oligarchy? Anything?


The need to do something and having the requisite resources to do it are NOT the same thing. Do you know any Europeans? No one is arguing against creating a semblance ow White solidarity. We're telling you that the necessary identity is not there. The German feels no brotherhood with the French. The Frenchman does not call the Spaniard his White Brother. It simply isn't there. The Pole feels more commonality with Americans than with Russians or Czechs, despite the similarity of language with the Russians and the common history with the Czech.

European means as much to Europeans and North American means to you. Or maybe Western Hemispheric.

The fact that you're to dense to see it is your problem, not ours.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 29, 2017 1:45 AM  

"We're telling you that the necessary identity is not there."

Of course it's there...unless we ignore genetic reality, cultural roots and thousands of years of history. Yes, take all of those things away, and we have little in common! But for those residing on planet earth, only an utter imbecile can fail to grasp that there is, and long has been, something known as European civilization. This has been explicitly and implicitly understood for many, many centuries. At a minimum. Comparing that to North America is utterly absurd.

"European means as much to Europeans and North American means to you. Or maybe Western Hemispheric."

With even a cursory knowledge of history, you'd never utter something so ridiculous. But, by all means, provide us with polling data indicating that the average European feels nothing more in common with another European than he does with a Zulu or Hottentot.

"The fact that you're to dense to see it is your problem, not ours."

Denying observable reality and insulting your betters is no way to go through life, but to each his own, I suppose. It doesn't seem possible, but perhaps the true dimwit way out on a limb truly has no concept of the tree upon which he sits, though his very life depend upon it.

In any event, it's impossible to argue with idiocy. I've made my points for those that are capable of grasping them. I know your type - you'll need the last word, however worthless. You may have it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 1:59 AM  

With even a cursory knowledge of history, you'd never utter something so ridiculous. But, by all means, provide us with polling data indicating that the average European feels nothing more in common with another European than he does with a Zulu or Hottentot.

Again you conflate two incommensurable things. That strawman is getting a good beating, but that's not what anybody is argueing, you moron. I am saying, Vox is saying, everybody who disagrees with you is saying, yes, there is western civilization, yes there is such a thing as a European, yes, there is a shared history.
What there is not is IDENTITY you nit. A European does not think of himself as a European. He thinks of himself as French or German or Slovene. He does not concern himself with what Europeans in other countries do or how they live, because HE IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

HE DOES NOT HAVE A EUROPEAN IDENTITY.

Whites in this country only have an identity as WHITE because the Left has spent 150 years forging one, with group punishment, heavy indoctrination, racial discrimination under law and custom, and now racial stereotyping and random street violence. Europe has not had that.

Now, stop talking and start thinking, for once in your benighted life, and hear what is being said, instead of the stupid assertions you want to refute, you sorry excuse for a rational animal.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 5:50 AM  

Of course it's there...unless we ignore genetic reality, cultural roots and thousands of years of history.

The identity does not exist. No one who lives in Europe, with the possible exception of a few EU employees, ever identifies as European. It's somewhat akin to claiming that whites in America identify as European-American. Which, you will note, they don't.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 29, 2017 10:41 AM  

VD: "No one who lives in Europe, with the possible exception of a few EU employees, ever identifies as European."

I know, and have known, many Europeans. All of them, without exception, understand that they are European. None of them, as far as I know, see this as in conflict with their respective national identities. People have multiple identities, as is normal. As to those with whom I've had an in-depth political conversation, most (perhaps all) grasp that their own nation will likely not survive if Europe goes down. We're all in it together, whether we like it or not. Branches do not survive if the tree dies at the root.

My view: a reasonable degree of white solidarity is both entirely feasible and, importantly, entirely necessary. This does not require a single, overarching superstate.

You're a smart guy, vox, and I enjoy your commentary immensely, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2017 7:33 PM  

@103
My view: a reasonable degree of white solidarity is both entirely feasible and, importantly, entirely necessary. This does not require a single, overarching superstate.

Are Albanians "white"? How about Chechens? Bosniaks?
Your ignorance is showing.

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