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Thursday, June 22, 2017

Destroying mosques over there

While they build them over here. The Great Mosque of al-Nuri is no more.
The United States and Iraq said ISIS blew up a historic mosque in Mosul that was the ideological heart of the terror group and the birthplace of its self-declared caliphate. ISIS, through its news agency, said US warplanes were responsible for the loss late Wednesday of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri and its leaning minaret.

US officials told CNN the ISIS claim was "1,000% false." Iraq Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said the ISIS act amounts to "an official announcement of their defeat." His military commanders said militants blew the mosque up after troops closed in.
I don't really care who destroyed the Great Mosque of al-Nuri. What I would like to know is why the West's military forces are destroying mosques over there, where they belong, and not over here, where they do not. And even from the Muslim perspective, is an ugly community center building in London or Toronto really much of a substitute for a historic 800-year-old structure?

The only real question is if "backwards" or "retarded" is the more appropriate term for the West's current military response to the third great wave of Islamic expansion. And here is a question: if ISIS shows so little respect for the architectural history and traditions of Islamic culture, why do you think its enthusiasts will show any more for the architectural history and traditions of the West?

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58 Comments:

Anonymous Bz June 22, 2017 6:31 AM  

An inspirational act, if nothing else.

Blogger Stilicho June 22, 2017 6:38 AM  

We had to bomb it to see what was in it?
We had to bomb it to save it?
We had to bomb it over there to increase demand for more over here? (yeah, that sounds about right: broken windows fallacy plus invade/invite the world... what could go wrong?)

Anonymous Looking Glass June 22, 2017 6:46 AM  

There's a bit of subtext to some of the news reports that aren't getting traction: Forces in the region are caring a LOT less about who gets blown up in the mix.

As for ISIS & history, one of the often missed bits about the modern Wahhbism is that it's got a massive iconclastic streak within it. They've only barely managed to hold onto most of the ancient structures in Mecca, of all places. It's part of why SJWs think they get along with the currently dominant Sunni ideology: they both want to destory everything.

Sadly, Snowflake won't stand much of a chance against the 7th century goat-rapists.

Blogger Jack Ward June 22, 2017 6:56 AM  

This action, regardless who destroyed what, may be designed to inflame the faithful of Allah to even more violence as Ramadan closes out for this year.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 22, 2017 7:06 AM  

And even from the Muslim perspective, is an ugly community center building in London or Toronto really much of a substitute for a historic 800-year-old structure?

It is if you end up controlling London and Toronto.

And here is a question: if ISIS shows so little respect for the architectural history and traditions of Islamic culture, why do you think its enthusiasts will show any more for the architectural history and traditions of the West?

Why, MagicDirt(TM) of course!

Blogger Old Ez June 22, 2017 7:09 AM  

The third great wave of Islamic expansion is alomost entirely a product of (((Western))) meddling. Islam was historically and technologically moribund until the Anglo-Jewish powers decided to give control of Middle East to the most backward, barbaric ideology imaginable. Look up Saddam's specially commissioned report on the birth of the al Wahhab movement for details.

Blogger Johnny June 22, 2017 7:30 AM  

I doubt we bombed the thing. That would be too obvious. But otherwise on the face of it, false flag is highly likely. It is something the Middle East is given to. It is a nasty place. Time for us notice that it is the human behavior of the population, and stop ascribing how the people act to their version of magic dirt.

As for our military efforts being "backward" or "retarded," on a pure military level what we do is effective, it is just that we are trying to fight a social movement with conventional arms. If we want to win a good starting point would be to stop embracing the ideology, and of course stop paying the carriers of it to come into our country.

Anonymous Rocklea June 22, 2017 7:32 AM  

"As for ISIS & history, one of the often missed bits about the modern Wahhbism is that it's got a massive iconclastic streak within it. They've only barely managed to hold onto most of the ancient structures in Mecca, of all places. It's part of why SJWs think they get along with the currently dominant Sunni ideology: they both want to destory everything."

I am currently reading Explaining Post Modernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault by Stephen R. C. Hicks, on Jordan Peterson's recommendation. He argues that PM has it's beginnings in Pre-modern thought. Pro Enlightenment thinkers held liberalism through reason and evidence, and individual liberty to be the way of the future. I am probably going to misstate the anti-Enlightenment argument, but I write as I understand it; reason, cannot encompass Reality as objective, because it always viewed through the subjective senses of the observer. Subsequently, we are left with conceptual abstraction, which if the previous argument is correct, is twice removed from Reality. I am sure most of you, if I have stated this correctly will recognize Kant; my first time, not being as well read. Pro Enlightenment thinkers, accepted the blind watchmaker, anti, the living God. Post Modernist, reject all, and, lets face it, they have been successful, given the current state of affairs, and many times, seem to be as pro segregation as the alt right. I am not suggesting common cause. I see the alt right as amalgam of pre, modern, and post; we accept Reality, understand the uses(and hopefully the limitations of reason), and are willing to use the tactics of the post modern, when truthful.

The west has ridden reason down the wide and easy path, it's elasticity stretched to breaking point; Realities imposition will not be fun.

Blogger Nate June 22, 2017 7:40 AM  

Ok... but Al Nuri wasn't some great treasure. It looked like something you'd see in a porno with a male actor that was to old to get the job done.

Blogger Elizabeth June 22, 2017 8:02 AM  

Nate wrote:Ok... but Al Nuri wasn't some great treasure. It looked like something you'd see in a porno with a male actor that was to old to get the job done.

The Leaning Tower of Al Nuri.

Anonymous Trimegistus June 22, 2017 8:04 AM  

Islam and humanity cannot coexist, no matter how many bumper stickers you put on your Prius. The world will not be safe until mosques are a historical curiosity. Just as it was important to "de-Nazify" Germany, the Middle East must be de-Islamized. Those Western armies should be followed by an army of evangelists.

Blogger S1AL June 22, 2017 8:11 AM  

Blowing up historical structures is basically another Wednesday for Muslims. Persia's history has been devastated by Islam. It's fundamental to the religion.

I don't know how long it's going to take in the United States, but I'm beginning to hear murmurs, even from libertarian types, that Islam has to go. Hopefully we get there soon.

Anonymous Rocklea June 22, 2017 8:11 AM  

"Those Western armies should be followed by an army of evangelists."

Those western armies are needed at home fisrt. I care not what happens once over here, becomes over there, where it belongs. They have to go back.

Blogger Sam Spade June 22, 2017 8:27 AM  

I would say is more "deliberate" than "retarded"

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 22, 2017 8:34 AM  

At least in the US, much of the culturally significant architecture has already been turned over to foreigners so I don't think there is much concern re whether Muslims or other migrants are going to preserve it.

Blogger Sam June 22, 2017 8:39 AM  

@8
" I am probably going to misstate the anti-Enlightenment argument, but I write as I understand it; reason, cannot encompass Reality as objective, because it always viewed through the subjective senses of the observer."

The anti-enlightenment position is that humans are rationalizing, not rational animals and so if you exalt reason, people will precede to argue what counts as reason based on their subjective opinion. You cannot educate them to reason correctly because people will insist their version is correct and mislead the ignorant. There is no firm grounding for anything except tradition because tradition has the benefit of working in the past.

"given the current state of affairs, and many times, seem to be as pro segregation as the alt right."

That is misleading. Segregation was aimed to benefit all whites and blacks in the South (seriously, blacks do better with black teachers, there where more black owned businesses and community interactions, etc). The 'segregation' practiced on the left is (who, whom)- aimed at benefiting them while screwing over their competitors.

Blogger Phillip George June 22, 2017 8:41 AM  

"Great Mosque"

Vox, it might be a proper noun but shame on you.
its a temple to allah and there is nothing great about it.

Good, there is one less mosque in the world.

Ninevah, and this is all about Ninevah. The book of Nahum describes right now. It's called the "burden of Ninevah"..
And it is a 2700 + year old prophesy meaning the shit hits the fan.

Let's hope the Russians told Trump to do this to pretend that they weren't to implicate ISIS into pretending that the US were doing it to make ISIS look bad when some Muslims would still think that it was the US anyway.
Mueller is looking into it. The DNC want to drain the Ninevah swamp and CNN are backing Mueller to get to the bottom of this mosque mess. False ISIS false self destruction flag claim

Meanwhile celebrate. One less multi cultic shrine to other gods.

Anonymous Jeff June 22, 2017 8:41 AM  

Muslim perspective, is an ugly community center building in London or Toronto really much of a substitute for a historic 800-year-old structure?

Funny you should mentioned that. Muslims recently took over part of a commercial building in downtown Toronto and converted the space into a prayer/community center. This has attracted the Muslims like flies and they are now moving into the condos nearby.

Blogger SirGroggy June 22, 2017 8:49 AM  

We were foolish to allow one single Muslim into our lands.

Now the facts are coming out as to the extent of the rape of our children and the pillaging of our lands, we are completely insane to allow it to continue.

This is what they are doing in Syria, this is what they will do to the women of the west
http://i.alalam.ir/news/Image/original/2014/12/10/alalam_635538052348757600_25f_4x3.jpg

Blogger DeploraBard June 22, 2017 8:52 AM  

One less temple of Satan. Win no matter who destroyed it or why.

Anonymous Rocklea June 22, 2017 8:52 AM  

"There is no firm grounding for anything except tradition because tradition has the benefit of working in the past."

Thanks for the clarification Sam, and yes, Tradition seems a valid argument for athiests and pagans both, to a least consider cultural Christianity, instead cultural suicide. And I agree with what you wrote on segregation too.

Blogger Phillip George June 22, 2017 8:53 AM  

#OneMoreClitorisSaved.

Blogger SirGroggy June 22, 2017 9:03 AM  

Just watched a video with Tommy Robinson, he told the story of a Muslim kebab shop in England where they were groomed many young girls. 2 of the girls have not been found.
Of 1 of the girls that has not been found, they were recorded on the phone saying that she went through the kebab mincer.
The girl's parents went to the shop to confront them and ask where their daughter was.
The Muslims gave her parents a free kebab as their answer.
And those Muslims are free, not in prison.

Another case where a girl was gang raped by Syrian & Iraqi refugees.
There were witnesses of her screaming running out of the house with the Muslims dragging her back in by her hair.
After she escaped she went to the rape clinic, and they confirmed 2 semen DNA samples, also she was covered in bruises and her hair was ripped out.
The police arrested 6 of the men.
No charges were laid, the men were released, no prosecution.
The girl's brother then went to the house where the men were, started a fight or something (not sure what happened) but the girl's brother was arrested.
He was prosecuted, and he was put in prison, he is still in prison.

A travel ban is not going to be enough in the long term.

Blogger Sillon Bono June 22, 2017 9:04 AM  

Picture a game of Starcraft, a mosque is a command center in the way of a Hatchery and a Spawning Pool combined.

A mosque is not just the equivalent of a "Church"

Mosques are the equivalent of the USA going to the moon and planting a flag. They are court houses, armories, hideouts, etc.

They are a C & C control center.

Blogger SouthRon June 22, 2017 9:08 AM  

If they want to destroy their mosques over there, we should help them destroy them over here...and salt the earth in the blood of pigs.

Blogger SirGroggy June 22, 2017 9:12 AM  

Sillon Bono wrote:
A mosque is not just the equivalent of a "Church"


That is the key piece of information which the mainstream politicians & media & the left are completely unable to absorb no matter how much information is imparted.

The Piers Morgan / Tommy Robinson interview is a prime example.

"Against stupidity the Gods themselves struggle in vain." - Friedrich Schiller

Anonymous veryfunnyminion June 22, 2017 9:16 AM  

"if ISIS shows so little respect for the architectural history and traditions of Islamic culture, why do you think its enthusiasts will show any more for the architectural history and traditions of the West?"

Considering how the "West" itself is treating its architectural history and traditions, why expect more of the Moor?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 22, 2017 9:18 AM  

That's right #26 the whole conservative scam was that essays by the millions would convince the leftists to quit, but in reality it was to keep the conservatives inside of their pens playing nice and listening intently to the loudest most useless of the "intellectuals" or be ridden out of polite society.

Leftists need rhetorical daggers thrust into their emotional centers, repeatedly and ceaselessly till they stop moving.

Anonymous zebedee June 22, 2017 9:24 AM  

Much as under communist regimes, in modern Wahhabi Islam it is always year Zero.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 22, 2017 9:27 AM  

@9 LOL. I was gonna say it's an example of inbreds trying to do engineering.

@23 Disgusting. It always makes me wonder about kebabs now.

@24. This video is a good example of your StarCraft analogy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ALQI1ljlqk8

Blogger Phat Repat June 22, 2017 9:28 AM  

Slightly OT: Grenfell Tower: Victims to be rehoused in £2bn luxury Kensington apartment block

And Police have promised not to deport those that were deportable.

Can you imagine having spent your hard (or ill) earned money and then sharing your living space with 3rd world invaders? The beauty is, most probably supported this invasion. Good, wallow in it, make sure to greet your new neighbors with a bloody good morning each day. Well, leave out the bloody, they'll bring that on their own. Cheerio chaps!

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 22, 2017 9:35 AM  

@23 A travel ban definitely won't be enough, especially considering the feral Muslims you described run a distant third in terms of moral sickness to the cowardly witnesses and the hypocritical and/or evil judiciary. It wasn't that long ago, at least in the USA, that the suggestion that a native girl had been raped by an outsider would be enough to motivate a crowd to take the accused from authorities and execute him.

Anonymous Teddy Krenshaw June 22, 2017 9:47 AM  

Mosque tipping is the latest craze.

Anonymous Grayman June 22, 2017 10:03 AM  

@23 SirGroggy

A travel ban is not going to be enough in the long term.

WWVTID (What Would Vlad The Impaler Do)

Blogger SirGroggy June 22, 2017 10:03 AM  

The people of the west since the baby boomers, by their own degeneracy, distraction by triviality and complete ignorance of that which is most important, have allowed this to happen, not by design but by complacency, laziness and cowardice, under the guise of enlightened tolerance, charity and sophistication.

From a certain perspective, it is a well deserved punishment for all of the above, being exacted upon our nations.

These nations are reaping what they had allowed to be sown.

If we are to undo that which has been done, to have victory we must be deserving of it in decades to come.

Anonymous Grayman June 22, 2017 10:18 AM  

@35. SirGroggy

From a certain perspective, it is a well deserved punishment for all of the above, being exacted upon our nations.

These nations are reaping what they had allowed to be sown.


And now we will earn our lands back, paid for in blood.

Anonymous Grayman June 22, 2017 10:45 AM  

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Blogger SirGroggy June 22, 2017 10:51 AM  

@ 36. Grayman

The Muslims won't fight in battle openly, they just migrate, subjugate the women, occasionally attack the unarmed and defenceless, and out-breed the locals over time.

It's hard to foresee any glorious battles against them, since that is not the way they fight, they have no concept of chivalry as we know it.

In the short term a good start is to donate a bit of cash to Stefan, one of Tommy Robinson's campaigns e.g. legal fees, buy a Castalia book, etc. We have to think very long term and plant small seeds.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 22, 2017 11:05 AM  

And here is a question: if ISIS shows so little respect for the architectural history and traditions of Islamic culture, why do you think its enthusiasts will show any more for the architectural history and traditions of the West?

I'm becoming more and more convinced that iconoclasm is a personality trait even more than it's a political action, like asceticism.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 22, 2017 11:06 AM  

In fact, iconoclasm could be described pretty well as "extraverted asceticism".

Anonymous Grayman June 22, 2017 11:08 AM  

@38. SirGroggy




Done, done, and done.



Maybe, maybe not. Ethnic cleansing will kick off sooner or later in the west. It will be a simpler affair in europe and amore complex one in the US due to the large number of and variation of ethnicities.
Once the cleansins does kick off i suspect you will have local battle. Look at Dearborn Michigan (https://kek.gg/i/gkPD-.jpeg), once things go hot it wont be a subtle infiltration, they already attemtp to enforce sharia in their majority neighboorhoods.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 22, 2017 11:20 AM  

@2 Stilicho
We had to bomb it to see what was in it?
We had to bomb it to save it?


We have to bomb them over there, so we can bring them over here.

@16 Sam
@8
" I am probably going to misstate the anti-Enlightenment argument, but I write as I understand it; reason, cannot encompass Reality as objective, because it always viewed through the subjective senses of the observer."

The anti-enlightenment position is that humans are rationalizing, not rational animals and so if you exalt reason, people will precede to argue what counts as reason based on their subjective opinion. You cannot educate them to reason correctly because people will insist their version is correct and mislead the ignorant. There is no firm grounding for anything except tradition because tradition has the benefit of working in the past

Exactly. Chesterton's fence. There are some good lines in Burke's "Reflections on the Revolution in France" with respect to this principle as well.

"We are afraid to put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason; because we suspect that this stock in each man is small, and that the individuals would do better to avail themselves of the general bank and capital of nations and of ages. Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice, and to leave nothing but the naked reason; because prejudice, with its reason, has a motive to give action to that reason, and an affection which will give it permanence. Prejudice is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue, and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision, sceptical, puzzled, and unresolved. Prejudice renders a man’s virtue his habit; and not a series of unconnected acts. Through just prejudice, his duty becomes a part of his nature."

The argument that Rocklea is referring to sounds as if it is more about the limitations of positivism in general. Related, but not the same.

@6 Old Ez

The third great wave of Islamic expansion is alomost entirely a product of (((Western))) meddling. Islam was historically and technologically moribund until the Anglo-Jewish powers decided to give control of Middle East to the most backward, barbaric ideology imaginable. Look up Saddam's specially commissioned report on the birth of the al Wahhab movement for details

The Muslim version of Dispensationalism/ Christian Zionism?

Anonymous BBGKB June 22, 2017 11:50 AM  

I don't really care who destroyed the Great Mosque of al-Nuri.

I have an alibi

: Forces in the region are caring a LOT less about who gets blown up in the mix.

TRUMP decided to let the soldiers take the kid gloves off.

Anonymous BBGKB June 22, 2017 11:57 AM  

The Muslims won't fight in battle openly, they just migrate, subjugate the women, occasionally attack the unarmed and defenceless, and out-breed the locals over time.

Moohamads greatest victory was breaking a peace treaty in the middle of the night with a city that took him in as a refugee years before.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 22, 2017 12:06 PM  

One less temple of Satan. Win no matter who destroyed it or why.

The point is being missed completely here. Satan's forces may have lost one 800 year old structure in a land they've controlled for 1400 years, but they are building hundreds more in the lands where cathedrals were beiung built 800 years ago. One would think, given their continued undending adventures in both Mesopotamia and in the poppy-fields of Pashtoonistan, that the ostensible commander in chief is not really the one giving them orders - which apparently emanate from Valerie Jarrett, the Clintons, Soros or the Neo conmen at NRO. Ratarded seems an inadequate term.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 22, 2017 12:18 PM  

The police arrested 6 of the men.
No charges were laid, the men were released, no prosecution.
The girl's brother then went to the house where the men were, started a fight or something (not sure what happened) but the girl's brother was arrested.
He was prosecuted, and he was put in prison, he is still in prison.


English version of Oathkeepers, I suppose. (In the USA, they enabled illegal alien to attack a white native in Texas). Much talk of reprisals but few seem to realize that the police, the prosecutors, the media and all who enable this have to be destroyed first. Your example is but one of hundreds which could be cited all over the west. They are traitors. Ditto for at least half the military. I've yet to see oathkeepers turn their weapons upon the criminals who give them orders. Another converged organization.

Blogger RobertT June 22, 2017 12:23 PM  

What comes to my mind is this: Winners write the history books. In 15 years all the other propaganda machines will have seeped into the sand and disappeared. The winner's version will fill the history books.

Anonymous BBGKB June 22, 2017 12:28 PM  

The police arrested 6 of the men.
No charges were laid, the men were released, no prosecution.


In the US one moslem juror would get any moslem off.

Judge orders jurors not to tell that the 2 jurors that didn't want Cosby convicted were niglets
http://deadline.com/2017/06/bill-cosby-rape-mistrial-jurors-revealed-pennsylvania-judge-1202117863/

Anonymous Grayman June 22, 2017 1:09 PM  

@45. Gen. Kong

such talk of reprisals but few seem to realize that the police, the prosecutors, the media and all who enable this have to be destroyed first.

Their protection of the invaders will only make the backlash that much more severe when they finally lose their grip on the population.
A great number of those smoldering vendettas will be slaked with the blood of dozens for every perpetrator by the time TPTB lose their grip.
In some ways the current PTB are directly responsible for saving the west. They are stoking the fires of hate to such levels that the ethnic cleansing will occur without remorse and with stunning brutality. They also underestimate that with a little coputer savy a group of motivated individuals could quickly access nationwide lists of muslims names addresses etc.

OpenID aew51183 June 22, 2017 1:10 PM  

The solution is simple then, isn't it?
If it's "OK" to destroy mosques over there.. we all pick up and move over there..
if the muslims want to turn europe into europistan we make istanbul constantinople again and call it a trade... then we get peace in the middle east and rich off oil, and they get cold winters.

Anonymous Joe Blowe June 22, 2017 1:23 PM  

Grayman wrote:Ethnic cleansing will kick off sooner or later in the west. It will be a simpler affair in europe and amore complex one in the US due to the large number of and variation of ethnicities.

Lets make it easy. If a typical libtard would accuse a person of having "white privilege" then they can stay. If not its the slow boat ride home.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 22, 2017 1:38 PM  

Yes objective truth exists but men can only subjectively observe and discover it

Anonymous Icicle June 22, 2017 4:16 PM  

As for ISIS & history, one of the often missed bits about the modern Wahhbism is that it's got a massive iconclastic streak within it. They've only barely managed to hold onto most of the ancient structures in Mecca, of all places.

The Wahhabists don't even want the Prophet's Mosque Al-Masjid an-Nabawi there in Medina where Muhammad's body is stored. They think it is necrolatry (idolatry of the dead).

https://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/saudi-masjid-nabawi-600831

Anonymous Icicle June 22, 2017 4:23 PM  

No charges were laid, the men were released, no prosecution.
The girl's brother then went to the house where the men were, started a fight or something (not sure what happened) but the girl's brother was arrested.
He was prosecuted, and he was put in prison, he is still in prison.


Fortunate it was not my relative. Let's just say an accidental fire might have somehow broken out.

Blogger jandolin June 22, 2017 9:06 PM  

This is part of the evil Al Saud family's plan to destroy traditional Islam so that the only Islamic tradition that survives and rules the Islamic world is Wahabbism.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist June 22, 2017 10:26 PM  

Looks like a demolition:

https://youtu.be/2gUV7pN4-ZQ

That aside, the fewer mosques in Nineveh the better.

Anonymous Jack June 22, 2017 10:42 PM  

"Invade the world / Invite the world" as Steve Sailer said. Kill a bunch of Muslims over there, then invite their remaining family members to come live over here. What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger Darth Spanky June 23, 2017 7:30 PM  

Sorry, for the off topic, but the comment about ISIL "respecting our architectural traditions" brought to mind the image of a twill and houndstooth clad jihadii blowing himself up in Fallingwater.

Maybe the Guggenheim?

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