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Tuesday, June 13, 2017

Diversity + Proximity = Radicalization

At this point, it should hardly come as a surprise that one of the basic tenets of multiculturalism - the idea that exposure to the secular West will cause Muslims to become more liberal and less extreme - is not only false, but has been known to be false for centuries.
Malikism in Spain represented well the Sunni tradition of the Islamic West, which historically has been more rigid than the Sunni tradition of the Islamic Middle East. Citing several medieval Muslim sources, the great Hungarian Arabist Ignaz Goldziher confirmed that, contrary to popular opinion, the practice of Islam in Spain was much more rigorous than in the East. If anything, the presence of large Catholic populations to the north and in their midst, along with the conversion to Islam of many of the earlier inhabitants, seems to have exacerbated the Andalusian clerics’ zeal in adhering to Maliki teachings. In other words, far from being conducive to tolerance, living close to Christians exacerbated Islamism in al-Andalus.
 - Darío Fernández-Morera, The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain
Of course, given the incredible amount of historical revisionism and ahistorical falsehoods, and outright multicultural propaganda chronicled by Fernández-Morera in his extraordinarily detailed book, it's hardly a surprise that the popular opinion of those who know nothing of the history of Muslim Spain would prove susceptible to the whitewashed version.

Fernández-Morera's book reminds me a little of The Irrational Atheist, in that he follows a similar method of quoting the English-speaking Arabist historians, many of whom are clearly unaware of the various Spanish and Arabic accounts, at length, before conclusively demonstrating how hopelessly wrong they are. The destruction of the myth of al-Andalus is so complete, and so brutal, that the only real question is whether the historians he is methodically abusing are shamelessly mendacious or merely pig-ignorant.

But regardless, it is historical evidence that the longer the current wave of Islam is permitted residence in the West, the more radical, violent, and zealous it will become. Secular hopes of liberal accommodation are in vain, as Islamic jurisprudence looks even more askance on atheists than it does on those it terms polytheists.

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Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 13, 2017 5:26 AM  

The seemingly-endless list of things I was taught that just ain't so lengthens once more ...

Blogger ZhukovG June 13, 2017 5:49 AM  

Not surprising, though the Shia seem much more tolerant of Christians, at least in countries they control like Syria and Iran. Probably why the United States has designated these governments as enemies to be destroyed.

Blogger yoghi.llama June 13, 2017 5:59 AM  

I thought Shafi and Hanafi were thought of as softer, Maliki and Hanbali tougher. Shafis and Hanafis would have been exposed to South Asian pagans.

As I try to explain to my friends and neighbours, as often as they'll listen to me without punching me in the face, the differences between the schools of Islamic jurisprudence may be academically fascinating, but they revolve around issues that just aren't relevant to our civilization, e.g. should we stone the adultress on open ground, or must she be in a pit first.

I'm sure a reasonably high IQ and years of intense study is needed to analyse the hadith to decide that question, but why should we care?

Blogger Michael Maier June 13, 2017 6:00 AM  

"The Myth of Andalusion Paradise" has been going on for some time. 1998 or so, in my "History of Western Civ" class curriculum glazed over the Muslim aggression and invasions but that didn't keep this very dumb-looking Dindu from asking the professor "But wasn't the occupation of Spain a paradise for everybody?"

She didn't think so (IIRC she specifically mentioned how badly Jews were treated) and he looked surly in hearing her response.

He seemed brainwashed to say so and unequipped to handle a critical response.

Neither surprised(s) me.

Blogger Sillon Bono June 13, 2017 6:01 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:Not surprising, though the Shia seem much more tolerant of Christians, at least in countries they control like Syria and Iran. Probably why the United States has designated these governments as enemies to be destroyed.

I'd say (((Skypes))) fear Shias because they're less/non inbred and can mount resistance to them.

The Sunnis seem to be so corrupt and inbred as to not pose a problem both from an IQ/Political perspective.

Killing Christians or Western culture in the process is a bonus.

Blogger SteelPalm June 13, 2017 6:02 AM  

Very interesting.

Certainly, this would explain why second-generation Muslims in the West tend to be more radical than their first-generation immigrant parents, not less.

Would be very worthwhile to build a mathematical model for this type of interaction.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 13, 2017 6:07 AM  

Be interesting to some historical analysis / study of the attitudes of westerners to Islam, over a period of increasing exposure, as well.

Because I'm fairly sure im not alone on having once thought of them ss basically nutcases harmless to anyone but each other.

Whereas experience has convinced me they're a cancer that requires radical surgery and intensive radiation therapy ... iykwim

Blogger ZhukovG June 13, 2017 6:12 AM  

@Resident Moron: Familiarity breeds contempt. When viewed from the proper side of a Maxim Gun, Asian cultures are exotic curiosities. The view changes when the caterwauling savages are in your trench.

Blogger Michael Maier June 13, 2017 6:12 AM  

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Here you go:

Muslims + Anyone Else = Misery and Death and the Spread of Satanism

I have TM'd that so don't steal it.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 13, 2017 6:15 AM  

Would be very worthwhile to build a mathematical model for this type of interaction.

Sounds like a plan. Right after we send them back.

Blogger Stilicho June 13, 2017 6:20 AM  

Anyone who's read the Roland Cycle and the tales of the Peers as a child could refute the myths of Andalusian paradise.

As for leftist historians, some are pig-ignorant, but the majority engage in outright lying as a means of shaping the Narrative. They take a perverse pleasure in bearing false witness for the sole purpose of empowering evil. They could create an enclave of the "good" muslims they are always going on about in the heart of the West and still blame white, Christian Westerners when the inevitable jihad breaks out (see, e.g. London, Manchester,etc.). The myth of Alandalus was intended from the beginning as propaganda in the oldest war.

In a not-unrelated note, I see the United Methodists have "ordained" a tranny deacon. What else can you expect from a "church" that puts "social justice" in its mission statement? Further, what's the over/under on the lgbtq crowd expanding to openly include the pedophiles (lgbtqp)? We've seen a few forays in that direction, so we should probably help them by adding the "p" to their moniker whenever referring to them. Kek will ensue.

Anonymous Man of the Atom June 13, 2017 6:26 AM  

Stilicho wrote: Further, what's the over/under on the lgbtq crowd expanding to openly include the pedophiles (lgbtqp)? We've seen a few forays in that direction, so we should probably help them by adding the "p" to their moniker whenever referring to them. Kek will ensue.

PGLTQ. Angers all the right parties inside the camp--internal warfare is good.

Blogger Robert Coble June 13, 2017 6:28 AM  

From the Introduction:

"Some scholars have argued that the Muslim takeover was accomplished largely through "peaceful pacts"; some even refuse to call it a "conquest," preferring to call it a "migratory wave."

How F**KING considerate of them!

So what is the intended end result of the CURRENT "migratory wave"?

There are none so "blind" as those "enablers" who WILL not see! Unfortunately, it is not only "scholars" who can be this stupidly delusional.

COEXIST (As DHIMMIS, you idiots!)

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 6:38 AM  

This is good news. The more violent and destructive they become, the easier it will be to remove every last one when the time comes. The blowback on the muslims will only be greater as thy become more violent.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 13, 2017 6:40 AM  

along with the conversion to Islam of many of the earlier inhabitants, seems to have exacerbated the Andalusian clerics’ zeal in adhering to Maliki teachings.

Something the multi-cultists don't like to think about.

Their successful drive for atheism has turned a generation of young people into spiritual vacuums yearning to be filled.

The problem is that the church of Judeo-Christ is so heretical it is ill equipped to deal with their thirst.

Rigid and demanding Islam on the other hand is.

The Multi-cultists don't want to think about it because they were convinced that their Muslim immigrants would turn into atheists too. They didn't.

And few people are more fanatical than recent converts.

Blogger JACIII June 13, 2017 6:44 AM  

historians he is methodically abusing are shamelessly mendacious or merely pig-ignorant.

Willfully pig-ignorant. They have no interest in truth as it is does not promote white guilt. They have a diversity ax to grind at the expense of the West and believe their conscious lies wet the wheel.

Anonymous Teapartydoc June 13, 2017 6:53 AM  

I knew the Al Andalus nonsense was crap without doing the research, but it's a good thing someone is doing it. Needed to be done, and doing it in a way that shoves it in the faces of the shitheads is great. Hope he sells a ton of books.

Blogger Stilicho June 13, 2017 6:54 AM  

@man of the atom, in keeping with the subject of the OP, I propose LGBTQPM. Can't discriminate against the Mohamedans, you know. And they are into all sorts of perversions from FGM to "boy play" so they should fit right in.

Anonymous Concerned June 13, 2017 7:03 AM  

FYI it's LGBTQI now.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 13, 2017 7:04 AM  

Had a debate once with a SJW about Andalus. The SJW was ranting on about the how it was a multicultural paradise and how the evil Europeans expelled the muslims.

I responded by saying that Al-Andalus was a north african Settler-colonist slave state. It was muslim supremacist, built on the exploitation of indigenous labour,and plundered it neighbors for slaves and booty. The reconquista and expulsions were simply the culmination of a campaign of decolonisation by the native peoples against foreign colonisers.

The SJW had nothing to say in response, because he knew it was all true.


Blogger Vikki Wilson June 13, 2017 7:15 AM  

the only real question is whether the historians he is methodically abusing are shamelessly mendacious or merely pig-ignorant.

I think it more likely that they are conventionally deluded, in the thrall of the compulsory post-Christian religion.

Anonymous Rocklea June 13, 2017 7:24 AM  

A few months ago, I was speaking to a Pakistani(I think) women. She was early 20's, had a 4 month old girl in her arms and a 4 year old daughter staying with her friend. She was nervous, she was on her way to meet the in-laws for the first time. Her husband is Arab and the parents did not approve of the marriage. She told me "Arabs are racist, and they did not approve of the marriage to their son." The reason for the meeting, divorce. The husband beat her, and cheated on her. I mentioned polygamy in the culture and she said, "I would not mind if he took a second wife and I don't mind the beatings, it's the cheating that I can't stand." Nice to have your morals in line I guess. She was born in Australia, third generation, raised by her grandmother as her mother died when she was young and her father left. Assimilated nicely I guess.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 13, 2017 7:25 AM  

Secular hopes of liberal accommodation are in vain, as Islamic jurisprudence looks even more askance on atheists than it does on those it terms polytheists.

This is the thing the atheistic leftists are conveniently ignoring. You hear about Christians being oppressed in muslim countries but you never hear about atheists. In fact, you have never heard of an atheist in a Sharia compliant country before. At least not one who loudly and proudly proclaims their atheism. Now, look at the terror attacks in the west. I can think of 1 that involved a Priest in France. All the rest have not been targetting Christians specifically. The uncomfortable reason for that is the Islamists have a grudging respect for devout Christians. They have no respect at all for avowed atheists.

Blogger Johnny June 13, 2017 7:31 AM  

Stilicho wrote:As for leftist historians, some are pig-ignorant, but the majority engage in outright lying as a means of shaping the Narrative. They take a perverse pleasure in bearing false witness for the sole purpose of empowering evil.

If I could put a finer point to it without categorical disapproval:

What they like doing is deprecating other people while pandering to a personal vanity. They are the people who enjoy insulting others. A fairly common tendency and now way to common in our universities.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 13, 2017 7:49 AM  

Looks like a good find. I was recently reading Tarzan of the Apes (for the first time, sadly), and there's a little offhand conversation between the professor and his assistant, where one of them says something about the rampaging Moors, and the other corrects him with something like, "All educated people know the Moors were actually a sophisticated, peaceful civilization blah blah algebra blah blah..." It was so much like the modern-day "religion of peace" whitewashing that it was almost funny, but it was a reminder that it's not new at all. It goes back to the desire of Enlightenment thinkers to tear down Christianity and turn all religion into a cultural choice.

Anonymous JAG June 13, 2017 7:51 AM  

The GILBERT crew will add a "B" before they advance to adding "P". PETA won't have an issue with it either.

Anonymous JAG June 13, 2017 7:52 AM  

Edit to add that I meant a second "B" for the bestiality folks.

Blogger Elizabeth June 13, 2017 8:00 AM  

My memory is vague, but isn't it true that (((the usual suspects))) popularized the idea that Andalusia was a paradise of religious harmony?

Anonymous Looking Glass June 13, 2017 8:01 AM  

@23 basementhomebrewer

It's the "Gays vs Leftist" reality. Homosexuals are all-in on Progressive politics because of their internal degeneracy, but anyone with the slightly bit of knowledge of Leftists governments knows they're going to round up and execute all of the homosexuals when they come to power. They do it like clockwork.

It's the weird stew of hatred of Christians, hiding in a place no one asks any questions and finding some supposed King to submit to. The self-rationalization effect is far too strong rest on the future very long. (There's also the side issue that the massive abuse of drugs & alcohol exists to cover up the problems.)

As for generally avoiding Christians in the West for direct attacks, I think the most logical reason is that Islam is a SJW religion. They talk about the Crusades. A lot. Which means that, even for the really stupid among them, they instinctly fear a Crusdes 2.0. (Mind you, I'm open to the idea of reclaiming Asia Minor.) So, it is a form of respect, though more a feral form of Fear. They only act against Christians in areas they almost wholly control.

And, let's be really honest, if the West suddenly goes ZFG on any topic, we can literally rain death from Heaven upon their heads. There are certain things that are genetic knowledge at this point for Muslims. Next time, we might not be leaving too many survivors.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 13, 2017 8:11 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:As for generally avoiding Christians in the West for direct attacks, I think the most logical reason is that Islam is a SJW religion. They talk about the Crusades. A lot. Which means that, even for the really stupid among them, they instinctly fear a Crusdes 2.0. (Mind you, I'm open to the idea of reclaiming Asia Minor.) So, it is a form of respect, though more a feral form of Fear. They only act against Christians in areas they almost wholly control.


The Muslims have traditionally regarded the middle eastern crusades as a fairly minor affair. Which in military terms they were. They have recently latched onto it for purely political reasons.

Blogger newanubis June 13, 2017 8:16 AM  

It seems to me that all this sickening virtue signalling is a result of a more prime motivator/deviance: PermaVictim. Theyre all just 'put upon' wonderful human beings who are oppressed, berated, and if you can't see that, well, it's just proof positive of your moral deficiency.

See, Im virtuous and calling out the inherent racism and abuse which is part and parcel of the white man's disposition. To be a victim there must be an oppressor and all roads, miraculously, lead Whitey as being this tyrant. Some are so drunk on their sadistic predisposition in fact that they're unable to even SEE the injustice of their morally bankrupt ways.

So, in this land of histrionics emanating from full grown children, any disapproval can only be viewed as regressive abhorrent behavior harming innocents. And ultimately, we the righteous have a duty to purge it, and them, by any means necessary.

All this and soooo much more I learned at school.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 13, 2017 8:18 AM  

How anyone can take the left seriously on the moral or intellectual level is beyond me.

It's obvious they don't even believe each other's rhetoric and rarely do they believe their own group specific rhetoric.

I'll start, Any muslim readers please give us your opinion on the popular leftist beliefs of atheism and feminism, thank you. Any atheists in the audience please give us your learned opinions of Islam, with sources, thank you.

Anonymous CoolHand June 13, 2017 8:24 AM  

Concerned wrote:FYI it's LGBTQI now.

The proper term is LGWTFBBQ, you cishetnormpresser!


/sarc tag is redundant, yes?

Blogger VD June 13, 2017 8:26 AM  

it's not new at all. It goes back to the desire of Enlightenment thinkers to tear down Christianity and turn all religion into a cultural choice.

The author specifically mentions this.

My memory is vague, but isn't it true that (((the usual suspects))) popularized the idea that Andalusia was a paradise of religious harmony?

It does not appear so. They use it, from time to time, but they did not create it. The Enlightenment atheists did.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 13, 2017 8:36 AM  

You hear about Christians being oppressed in muslim countries but you never hear about atheists. In fact, you have never heard of an atheist in a Sharia compliant country before.

Atheists aren't as stupid as they look. The Christians who get killed were either born there or have gone there to evangelize. Why would an atheist go to a Muslim country? (Oh, right. Boys.)

But if he does, guess how quickly he will "convert" when put to the test. He may pitch a fit at a nativity scene in his town square, but he's not going to stand on his atheist principles with a Muslim sword to his neck.

Blogger Elizabeth June 13, 2017 8:51 AM  

VD wrote:it's not new at all. It goes back to the desire of Enlightenment thinkers to tear down Christianity and turn all religion into a cultural choice.

The author specifically mentions this.

My memory is vague, but isn't it true that (((the usual suspects))) popularized the idea that Andalusia was a paradise of religious harmony?

It does not appear so. They use it, from time to time, but they did not create it. The Enlightenment atheists did.



Thanks, Vox, I stand corrected.

Praising "the other" is an old way to denigrate one's own kind.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 13, 2017 8:59 AM  

"f anything, the presence of large Catholic populations to the north and in their midst, along with the conversion to Islam of many of the earlier inhabitants, seems to have exacerbated the Andalusian clerics’ zeal in adhering to Maliki teachings. In other words, far from being conducive to tolerance, living close to Christians exacerbated Islamism in al-Andalus."

Makes sense. The Maghreb and Turkey are 99%+ Muslim.

Atheists aren't as stupid as they look. The Christians who get killed were either born there or have gone there to evangelize. Why would an atheist go to a Muslim country? (Oh, right. Boys.)

@35 Cail Corishev
And yet atheists have absolutely no problem turning their own countries Muslim, and da-n (or something) anybody who does have a problem...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 13, 2017 9:09 AM  

Z-man comments on the irrationality of the leftist coalition, primarily that of virtue signaling white women.

It comes back to Trump knowing women better than women know women and way better than the conservative intellectual spergs who wish to write the magic essay that will enlighten such women.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 13, 2017 9:17 AM  

And yet atheists have absolutely no problem turning their own countries Muslim

Right. Because atheism, at least in the West, is first and foremost anti-Christianity. As long as they get to stamp out Christianity, they figure they'll handle what comes next because they're such smart boys, but mostly they don't look that far ahead. They can't see past the Cross.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 13, 2017 9:28 AM  

@ZhukovG

Higher rate of fire? Better aim? Both?

Blogger Rob June 13, 2017 9:43 AM  

The "Secular" world (Atheists, Agnostics, and the non-religious) is getting steamrolled by islam.

One or two of them can come up and say, "islam is cancer!!" (It is.)

Soon, a group of 30-50 muhammadans will tell them, "Shut up, Western Whore!" And those secular people will wake up one day after an election to find out that sharia law has been voted in overwhelmingly by their new "diverse" neighbors.

After insulting islam, and offering no real criticism of it, the secular world will then turn around and start complaining about Christianity.

They cannot present any coherent argument against islam. muslims will just retort: "You offer nihilism! At least with muhammed we have hope of eternal life!" Eternal Oblivion isn't appealing to people.

Christianity can offer arguments against islam. We speak the same "language" as the muslims, "religion." muslims won't listen to insults about their religion from non-religious people. All religions get insulted, so there's nothing special about insults from atheists.

But if a Christian starts to point out the legitimate philosophical and theological holes in islam, and showing how Christianity fills those holes, muslims listen.

Say what you will about Jesus and all his followers (Who can be real jerks sometimes.), you really can't argue that Christendom wasn't damn-good for about 13 centuries at keeping the muslims out of Europe, and that they had some damn-good reasons for keeping them out!

The secular world is losing worse than the Byzantines! It took 200+ years of hard fighting for Constantinople to finally fall.

In less than two generations, the secular world has resulted in the following:

Sweden is a lost cause, with regular grenade attacks, and concerts being cancelled due to sexual assaults of their women. France is riddled with no-go zones. Sharia courts operate openly in Britain. Both Britain and France are suffering multiple jihad attacks. Mass-Murdering jihadis are given sanctuary by residents in Molenbeek in Belgium. The leader of Germany is taking selfies with her new muslim overlords who attack her women in Cologne, in the shadow of a great Cathedral. The mafia in Sicily is fighting a war against new gangs coming in from North Africa... The list goes on and on.


The fact that secular world is losing so badly against a bunch of inbred barbarians is reason enough to not join that side.

Anonymous 11B June 13, 2017 9:47 AM  

In reading one of the negative one star reviews at Amazon on this book, I found this quote:

Where are the standards? This book is an anti-Islam polemic masquerading as objective scholarship. But the greatest evidence of muslim tolerance in Spain is that after 700 years, Christians existed in Spain, but after 100 years of Castilian rule, Muslims did not. When the Christians had the power to expel the Christians, they did. When the Muslims had the same power, they did not. The author creates all these reasons why it was justified to expel the Muslims, but he doesn't cite the same reasons as why it would be justified for the muslims to do the same. He goes out of his way to apologize for the acts of the Castilians and exposes his double-standard way of thinking.The problem with this book is that it has no standards.

The rest of the comment is just as bad. It's as if the invaders deserve the same rights to the land as the natives.

Blogger James June 13, 2017 10:10 AM  

11B wrote:In reading one of the negative one star reviews at Amazon on this book, I found this quote:

Where are the standards? This book is an anti-Islam polemic masquerading as objective scholarship. But the greatest evidence of muslim tolerance in Spain is that after 700 years, Christians existed in Spain, but after 100 years of Castilian rule, Muslims did not. When the Christians had the power to expel the Christians, they did. When the Muslims had the same power, they did not. The author creates all these reasons why it was justified to expel the Muslims, but he doesn't cite the same reasons as why it would be justified for the muslims to do the same. He goes out of his way to apologize for the acts of the Castilians and exposes his double-standard way of thinking.The problem with this book is that it has no standards.

The rest of the comment is just as bad. It's as if the invaders deserve the same rights to the land as the natives.


This statement is an entire thread by itself. This is part of the insidiousness of "diversity" and "no borders". Pretending that everyone is equal "on the inside" and in attributes, that no one can measure INDIVIDUALLY, allows evil to create war zones in countries that would normally be homogenous White countries. When you create tensions within a country (chaos) you can step in and "solve" (control) the problem to your own benefit. You also create a mixed multitude which has nothing in common with each other that will have to be overseen with your own police forces and military. You create a Tower of Babel. It is also spoken of in the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not commit Adultery. This has come to mean only the act of fornication between someone that is married with someone other than his spouse. However, it originally meant adultery of items such as adulterating gold or silver with less valuable metals. The Bible has prohibitions against mixing different types of cloth, planting different types of grains together, and against miscegenation. These actions are no longer included in religious dogma but they are implicit in the true meaning of the word. Besides, fornication is already covered in "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, etc."

Blogger JWM in SD June 13, 2017 10:36 AM  

I've spent a lot of time in al-Andalus (El Puerto / Jerez De la Fronterra / Seville) in the past two years. There are historical reminders all over the countryside and even into Lisbon Portugal. I don't think the locals suffer the delusion of it being a paradise.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 13, 2017 10:49 AM  

I should also point out that frontiers tend to have much more devout practitioners of any religion than heartlands, not just Islam. Just look at Northern Ireland. Or Bosnia. The Dutch "bible belt" is the border between the Protestant and Catholic parts of the country. Traditional Catholics appear to be most common in the majority-Protestant United States and majority-secular France.

@41 Rob

Christianity can offer arguments against islam. We speak the same "language" as the muslims, "religion." muslims won't listen to insults about their religion from non-religious people. All religions get insulted, so there's nothing special about insults from atheists.

But if a Christian starts to point out the legitimate philosophical and theological holes in islam, and showing how Christianity fills those holes, muslims listen.


Muslims are vaguely scared of Christians in a way they aren't of progs and atheists.

Another interesting fact is that Christianity is the only religion that has been able to pull Muslims out of Islam, even if it is still extraordinarily difficult and to a limited degree (some Russian Tatars became Orthodox, the Maltese and Ottoman immigrants to Latin America became Catholic, rising numbers of evangelical Protestants in the Muslim world today, etc.).

Secular Muslims in the West still tend to passionately defend Islam, aside from rare exceptions like Ayaan Hirsi Ali. But ex-Muslim Christians adopt an entirely different religious identity and tend to be quite antipathetic toward Islam.

The secular world is losing worse than the Byzantines! It took 200+ years of hard fighting for Constantinople to finally fall.

More like 700+ years. Which makes the seculars look even worse.

Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner June 13, 2017 11:11 AM  

The seemingly-endless list of things I was taught that just ain't so lengthens once more

If that list includes gays paying more in taxes than they collectively get in benefits, it couldn't be true after AIDs meds alone cost $30,000-60,000 a year per person.

the differences between the schools of Islamic jurisprudence may be academically fascinating

Here is an easy way based off an Islamic scholar. A man who beats his wife is not a moslem that's a fact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOQIB9Dd28Y

Certainly, this would explain why second-generation Muslims in the West tend to be more radical than their first-generation immigrant

The first generation know what a society full of people like them produces. Try to imagine a culture where someone would openly admit on a TV camera to blocking an exit during a crisis. Proof that non Asian minorities trying to help can even make a gay bar shooting worse.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/wow-pulse-club-patron-admits-blocked-exit-club-condemning-gays-certain-death/

(lgbtqp)? We've seen a few forays in that direction, so we should probably help them by adding the "p" to their moniker

Whatever you do make sure to put the G in front of the L to trigger jewish lesbians.

crew will add a "B" before they advance to adding "P".. Edit to add that I meant a second "B" for the bestiality

BB might stand for Bacha Bazi the reason Anderson Cooper likes going to moslem lands. After AC's first briefing he said "Oy vey if I say I love another adult male they will behead me but I can screw all the hairless boys I can pay for"

Blogger YIH June 13, 2017 11:16 AM  

Man of the Atom wrote:Stilicho wrote: Further, what's the over/under on the lgbtq crowd expanding to openly include the pedophiles (lgbtqp)? We've seen a few forays in that direction, so we should probably help them by adding the "p" to their moniker whenever referring to them. Kek will ensue.

PGLTQ. Angers all the right parties inside the camp--internal warfare is good.

I'll take the over on that one. ''Pedo'' is still (especially among straights) a ''scarlet letter'' - even among lefties. Ask MILO about that. Granted, that DragonCon guy was able to skate for many years but it reached the point where even they realized they needed to show him the door.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 13, 2017 11:24 AM  

@2 ZhukovG
"Not surprising, though the Shia seem much more tolerant of Christians, at least in countries they control like Syria and Iran. Probably why the United States has designated these governments as enemies to be destroyed"

And why Western governments enable the efforts of our second greatest ally to spread Wahhabism/ Salafism (the worst variant of Sunni Islam) in the West.

@7 Resident Moron™
"Be interesting to some historical analysis / study of the attitudes of westerners to Islam, over a period of increasing exposure, as well.

Because I'm fairly sure im not alone on having once thought of them ss basically nutcases harmless to anyone but each other"

Lothrop Stoddard accurately predicted the overthrow of European colonial rule, "reverse colonization" (mass migrations from the Third World to the West) and the the rise of Wahhabism ("radical Islam") as a threat to the West-- back in 1920. But he was an evil rayciss who wrote a book called "The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy," so...

Blogger Tom June 13, 2017 11:29 AM  

When all that is heard are crickets..throat punching is order..

Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner June 13, 2017 11:34 AM  

Newanubis I used to post as Anubis before I came out here

anyone with the slightly bit of knowledge of Leftists governments knows they're going to round up and execute all of the homosexuals when they come to power. They do it like clockwork

I can't even convince most gays that importing gay moslems from Chechnya will result in more gay moslems attacking gay bars & more gay moslem serial killers like Ali Mohamad Brown caught in NJ 2 weeks after Gentle Mike Brown robed a liquor store.

You hear about Christians being oppressed in muslim countries but you never hear about atheists.

If you submit to diminitude and pay jizya moslems are supposed to be peaceful to you, but that includes them being able to drink water for medical need in 100+ degree temps during Ramadan but a male foreign travel nurse got tossed in jail for that in Kuwait, that was put back on the map with US taxes after the only secular power in the ME took it over.

Anonymous Precious June 13, 2017 11:44 AM  

I read Spencer's "Did Muhammad Exist?" after you posted in May on Emmet Scott's theory. Very informative and I was considering this book as a follow up to continue my education in Islam. Now I will have to order it.

Blogger dvdivx June 13, 2017 12:32 PM  

Its not just Muslims. Its every mixed couple. Its the Chinese, Hindus, and African "refugees". When you are being invaded en masse Islam is not the biggest problem. You lose even if Muslims leave unless you get rid of ALL invaders.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 13, 2017 12:38 PM  

"The proper term is LGWTFBBQ"

Fk'n alphabet people.

Blogger Rez Zircon June 13, 2017 1:09 PM  

The reason you don't hear about atheists (or that other formerly-dominant religion in the middle east, Zoroastrianism) in Muslim countries is because as soon as they admit to it, they're dead.

Dhimmi status is only for "people of the book" (Jews and Christians); it is NOT extended to atheists or other religions; for those unbelievers, the choice is convert or die. To my understanding this is because Islamic philosophy holds that all men are born Muslim (or at least shirttail cousins as "people of the book"), so atheists are regarded as apostates, and under Islamic practice, apostates are to be killed.

Blogger beerme June 13, 2017 7:18 PM  

Every negative interaction with Not Americans gets you one step further on the continuum from They have to go back to They have to go. Adherents of islam are gifted at piling up the negative interactions faster than others.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 13, 2017 11:31 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:You hear about Christians being oppressed in muslim countries but you never hear about atheists. In fact, you have never heard of an atheist in a Sharia compliant country before.
That's because you choose to live in an echo chamber.  Outside it, such news is broadcast rather loudly.

My major reason for commenting here is to bring you facts from outside the echo chamber.  You're welcome.

Looking Glass wrote:Which means that, even for the really stupid among them, they instinctly fear a Crusdes 2.0. (Mind you, I'm open to the idea of reclaiming Asia Minor.)
You lack ambition.  I believe it would be fairly cheap to run a sufficiently ruthless campaign to depopulate Islamic areas around the world, not just Asia Minor.  If 95% of the Islamic population of Pakistan and Afghanistan was gone, and there was no surplus in Iran, the area would be filled from India and Russia.  You just have to find the means, and use them.

Looking Glass wrote:if the West suddenly goes ZFG on any topic, we can literally rain death from Heaven upon their heads.
Zero Fucks Given is the key.  We have to be sick enough of their crap to care not what happens to them.  They must be utterly dehumanized.  The Saxon must hate.

That won't be long.

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Any atheists in the audience please give us your learned opinions of Islam, with sources, thank you.
They want me to say the Shahada or die (if they don't just kill me anyway).  Since I practice the Golden Rule, I am ready to kill them first.  Fair's fair.

Blogger tkatchev June 14, 2017 3:13 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:Not surprising, though the Shia seem much more tolerant of Christians, at least in countries they control like Syria and Iran.

If you actually read what they believe, it's obvious that 'Twelver Shia' is a crypto-Christian sect, probably born out of Muslim persecution. (Remarkably, what they actually believe isn't really available online, I gleaned this from reading what actual Twelvers say in informal discussion.)

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