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Tuesday, June 20, 2017

DTTTM: Gavin Mcinnes edition

Gavin McInnes‏ @Gavin_McInnes
I was wrong about @andrewmarantz. He's a propagandist just like the rest of them. No more talking to liberal media #ProudBoys

They are all. It's an act. They usually run one of three cons on you:
  1. I'm a big fan.
  2. I just want to give you the chance to tell your side of the story.
  3. Can you educate me on this thing I don't know about?
They will be your best friend, contacting you multiple times per day and spending hours on the phone with you, right up until the moment they get their kill quote. Then, they'll quickly vanish and only communicate with you via email, if they even do that. They are very good at this; they do it literally every week, if not every day, to all of the people they want to grind for the media mill.

Don't talk to the media. No, your clever strategy won't work. No, recording them won't make a difference. No, you aren't a special snowflake who is going to magically transform the ideology of the mainstream media through the sheer power of your presence.

#DTTTM

Clever Takes helpfully provides a cartoon reminder in case you're having trouble remembering why you should not talk to them.

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109 Comments:

Anonymous Reenay June 20, 2017 2:12 PM  

Is it legal to shoot a journalist for trespassing?

Blogger #7139 June 20, 2017 2:16 PM  

@1 Not yet. We are working on it.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 20, 2017 2:16 PM  

I have always wondered why the wronged people in these situations don't take a shotgun down to the media office, or otherwise visit the media person at their homes. The previous right is/was just too soft/had things to lose.

Blogger #6277 Hammer June 20, 2017 2:19 PM  

One profession more despicable than lawyers.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 2:26 PM  

Reenay wrote:Is it legal to shoot a journalist for trespassing?

Depends on what state you reside in and where they are trespassing. If they are inside your home or car in many states they are fair game. Journalists tend to not take it that far and instead harass you from your front porch/ yard.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 20, 2017 2:27 PM  

Here is a question for Vox Day: I think you advised Roosh to hold a press conference after the Meet Up controversy. If memory serves me right, he did quite well. As a contrast, his Dr. Oz appearance was a disaster. The question: What did Roosh do right in the press conference?

Blogger praetorian June 20, 2017 2:28 PM  

It's like they are all either coming from or soaked in a culture that favors hasbara over truth telling.

I wonder if anyone ever wrote a book about that, and, if they did, what their background was and who their uncle was.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 20, 2017 2:30 PM  

@6

I imagine that when there's lots of reporters there it's hard to spin in your direction. Contradictions emerge so easily...

Blogger Peter Jackson June 20, 2017 2:30 PM  

Is it legal to shoot a journalist for trespassing?

Such comments make it appear that blogs like this are read by a bunch of kooks. Yeah, let's shoot people we don't like. Please STFU.

Blogger tz June 20, 2017 2:33 PM  

@1, just drag the body inside your house, destroy his phone, and say it was a home invasion.
Basically Gianforte writ large.

Meanwhile, in Germany, The Koran Kissing Klan is thriving.

The only thing I would say to the media is "I don't do Fake News".

Blogger c0pperheaded June 20, 2017 2:34 PM  

Maybe someone should tell Gavin that talking to the media is like having a dildo shoved up your ass. On second thought, don't tell him that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 2:35 PM  

Peter Jackson wrote:Such comments make it appear that blogs like this are read by a bunch of kooks. Yeah, let's shoot people we don't like. Please STFU.

Such comments make it appear that commenters like you are paid by a bunch of globalist cucks. Yeah, let's watch our language. Please STFU.

Blogger Salt June 20, 2017 2:46 PM  

Stock answer for any inquiry for an interview -

"Fuck off."

Anonymous AETE June 20, 2017 2:49 PM  

1. Shill for the Jews
2. Whine when with Jews you lose...

https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/876899439939661824

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 2:52 PM  

Maybe someone should tell Gavin that talking to the media is like having a dildo shoved up your ass. On second thought, don't tell him that.

The one thing you surely know about Gavin is that whatever complaints he has to make, he'll make them in the saltiest possible manner. The man doesn't mince words.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

1. Shill for the Jews
2. Whine when with Jews you lose...


Hey, Ezra is one of the good guys.

Anonymous Jeff June 20, 2017 2:54 PM  

VD, proud of your boy.

Anonymous Jay Queue June 20, 2017 2:59 PM  

Hey, Ezra is one of the good guys.

He's cool but it would be nice if he'd address the question.

Blogger Lovekraft June 20, 2017 3:05 PM  

This has a certain regularity to it that soon enough the people will wise up and it'll morph yet again.

What would be optimal is if somehow the skepticism passes to the subconscious.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 3:07 PM  

He's cool but it would be nice if he'd address the question.

Yeah, it's a legitimate question.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 20, 2017 3:10 PM  

I hate Peanuts as a general rule, but that was an appropriate use for it.

Blogger Jonathan Bennett June 20, 2017 3:11 PM  

Seems like the ultimate evolution of this would be to turn the tables, and run the same con on the old media. I suppose that's similar to what Tucker Carlson is doing with his show. #thinkingOutLoud

Blogger RobertT June 20, 2017 3:12 PM  

The media are all looking for fame & fortune, and they are perfectly happy to crawl over your dead body to get there.

Blogger S. Misanthrope June 20, 2017 3:22 PM  

I can't believe this still needs to be said.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 3:22 PM  

I think you've hit on something. Boomer cuckservatives grew up reading Peanuts and took Charlie Brown as a role model. Or worse, Linus.

Blogger Desdichado June 20, 2017 3:26 PM  

Peter Jackson wrote:Such comments make it appear that blogs like this are read by a bunch of kooks. Yeah, let's shoot people we don't like. Please STFU.
Start your own blog. Police the comments for non-kookiness all you like.

Blogger szopen June 20, 2017 3:27 PM  

create your own media. Invite the bastards. Feed them their own medicine.

Anonymous BBGKB June 20, 2017 3:29 PM  

Is it legal to shoot a journalist for trespassing? Such comments make it appear that blogs like this are read by a bunch of kooks

Offer them a hemlock brownie.

Gavin is that whatever complaints he has to make, he'll make them in the saltiest possible manner. The man doesn't mince words.

I wouldn't even kiss Milo knowing his dating habits.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 3:31 PM  

I wouldn't even kiss Milo knowing his dating habits.

Seriously? I'm straight and I'd at least give him a peck on the cheek.

Anonymous TheShrike June 20, 2017 3:32 PM  

I think Sam Hyde has the best approach to the media.
- Ask them if they're Jewish
- Belittle them
- Tell them they should worry about people deciding to start shooting journalists.

OpenID markstoval June 20, 2017 3:33 PM  

I understand that many people want to talk to the media because they seek a big audience and seek to spread their ideas.

Much like the allure of cocaine, it is not going to work out. That is just the way it is.

Anonymous Reenay June 20, 2017 3:33 PM  

@9 Sorry, let me rephrase: is it legal to have sex with the journalist's wife and have her bear your child when he comes asking for an interview? Happy now? I made it a question more suitable for cucks like you.

OpenID peppermintfrosted June 20, 2017 3:34 PM  

Professors and journalists need to be purged. We will not have won until everyone in those professions is begging for hot dogs outside 711.

The word journalist may be retained, however, since theoretically their work is useful even though in practice they are all faggot traitors, but their alt-media replacements call themselves journalists too, and journalists have a history prior to the 20th century of being pretty okay.

The word professor, on the other hand, will fill the hole in English vocabulary between intellectual prostitute, rat fink, deluded zealot, and traitor.

Blogger James June 20, 2017 3:37 PM  

Reenay wrote:Is it legal to shoot a journalist for trespassing?

Well, if you dispose of the bodies thoroughly enough, who's to say there was any trespasser?

Anonymous Iacobus June 20, 2017 3:38 PM  

Peter Jackson wrote:Is it legal to shoot a journalist for trespassing?

Such comments make it appear that blogs like this are read by a bunch of kooks. Yeah, let's shoot people we don't like. Please STFU.



All the sweet talking in the world won't hide the fact that they're out to destroy us by any means necessary, usually through outright lies. So that makes them the enemy. Eff 'em.

Blogger James June 20, 2017 3:47 PM  

peppermintfrosted wrote:
The word journalist may be retained, however, since theoretically their work is useful even though in practice they are all faggot traitors, but their alt-media replacements call themselves journalists too, and journalists have a history prior to the 20th century of being pretty okay..


I don't think the history of journalists has ever been one of honor and dignity. The original "newspapers" were financed by individuals and political parties that wanted to shape the dialog to their own specifications. I suppose there have been journalists that weren't complete scum, like small town reporters, but for the most part they have been paid shills to promote someone's agenda.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 3:49 PM  

OT: More Amish run amok: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4622952/Explosion-reported-Brussels-central-station.html'

Anonymous BBGKB June 20, 2017 3:49 PM  

OT: NRA CUCKS over revolvers and 1911s

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/luis-valdes/nra-no-1911s-or-revolvers-in-carry-guard-training-classes/

Anonymous Curlytop June 20, 2017 3:53 PM  

Yeeeaaars ago, a friend of mine's Husband walked up on a disturbance in a local park outside of a major SE city. Given his military training and even-tempered personality, he was able to quell the altercation btw a black man who was attempting to assualt the black woman. The woman was thankful, the police commended him, yet the local media in their editing magic spun the interview w the man as a racist for the nightly news.
Should have been a feel good fluff piece to end the broadcast, but that was not the narrative the news station wanted to tell.

None of these people are famous, controversial, in politics, none asked to be on the news. Vox's point is spot on! Don't.Talk.To.The.Media

If you want to spread your message, write a book, start a blog, or whatever. Don't expect the media to help you with it.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 20, 2017 3:59 PM  

@38 Best to stay away from the NRA. With the NRA selling gunowners' insurance now, soon they'll be lobbying for the feds to mandate that all gunowners have it. Those money grubbing weasels are so predictable.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 20, 2017 4:01 PM  

"Yeah, let's shoot people we don't like."

That tends to happen a lot in wars.

Anonymous Laz June 20, 2017 4:01 PM  

"Such comments make it appear that blogs like this are read by a bunch of kooks. Yeah, let's shoot people we don't like. Please STFU." The cucks never learn either. Go back to sleep.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 4:07 PM  

I love my big gay koran burning steve, I just love the guy.

Gavin knows he just waited to tweet it but good he did.

Overall, there is no way to have a meaningful or honest encounter with the media, its like trying to reason with HRC, it cannot and will not be done.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 4:10 PM  

They are all. It's an act. They usually run one of three cons on you:

1.I'm a big fan.
2.I just want to give you the chance to tell your side of the story.
3.Can you educate me on this thing I don't know about?
They will be your best friend, contacting you multiple times per day and spending hours on the phone with you, right up until the moment they get their kill quote.


if you dont need a new best friend and you dont need their flattery, they lose

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 4:10 PM  

@33

The internet has largely removed the need for professors, who where historically knowledge repositories. There will always be a few wise old sages about who are useful and constructive, but the average professor is now no more than a glorified babysitter for infantilized young adults.
Youtube, a libraray, and some motivation will far exceed what the vast majority of professors are capable of producing. of course now you are talking about the 1/3 of society that actually performd at that level.

As the social wave crests and the civil unrest unfolds, its going tobe very interesting to see how all the snowflakes/leftists/ fragile personalities shake out.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 4:13 PM  

@ #45 Grayman

it seems like there should be competition by now to put out the highest quality video lecture series (non-slanted) in every course and for every grade level.

maybe its already available though

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2017 4:17 PM  

41. Noah

"That tends to happen a lot in wars." Best answer.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 20, 2017 4:21 PM  

They're snakes. Lying, backstabbing, despicable snakes. Questions?

Blogger Ransom Smith June 20, 2017 4:23 PM  

Y'all still shoot journalists?

That's cute.

Woodchippers are so much better.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 4:23 PM  

@46

There are a number of good sources from MIT courseware to a number of others that are all free. The biggest hurdle is probably the deconstruction of the current compulsary education model.
Until the current debt ponzi blows up there probably wont be much change. However, once the debt bomb does go off and local state ponzis crumble, those who are ambitious have a large fracion of the global knowledge base easily accessible. Whether its cnc machining, auto repair, how to build an NIR spectrometer using a 3d printer, or advanced calculus.

Anonymous Rfvujm June 20, 2017 4:29 PM  

If the media reaches out to you for an interview, is there anything wrong with stringing them along and then completely standing them up when it's time for the actual interview? Do you think you could get away with it more than a couple times until they stop trying with you?

Anonymous Rule of Wrist June 20, 2017 4:30 PM  

It's a war. A war of attrition. The best thing we can do is deprive them of resources. Deprive them of content by not talking to them. Deprive them of income by not buying anything they advertise. Deprive them of income by not clicking on any MSM websites, even if linked to on our sites to "See what the other side thinks." Deprive them of credibility by relentlessly mocking them as the propagandists they are. Deprive them of their audience by building our own platforms.

Let the MSM know that they will lose this war that they started by hitting them where it hurts most: in the wallet.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 4:31 PM  

If you want to spread your message, write a book, start a blog, or whatever.

I've never had the sort of influence in my life that I have today, and I'm on .01% of Vox's scale. But he's right: take your message directly to your neighbours. Even if it's only 10 people, it will be 10 people who get a clear, uncompromised, truthful message rather than 1,000 who get handed a steaming crock of crap.

History can work with those numbers.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 4:34 PM  

for all of your journalist processing needs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ufGxaTgKY0

Now you can process entire editorial boards and still have time for brunch!

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 4:38 PM  

@53

history is decided by the small % that act not "the people", not the reasonable moderates, not those who "deserve it". But by that small % who show up and act.

Blogger TheMaleRei June 20, 2017 4:42 PM  

Slight OT, but Dave Rubin is in Mother Jones' sights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkNqrl5GEc0

The Left are eating their own...

Blogger John Bradley June 20, 2017 4:47 PM  

@54 - And it works great on judges, too!

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 4:53 PM  

Live life, hell with the media at large, the bigger issue is our generation helping the younger adults drop the media, they dont know America prior to 9/11 or 1995 or 1985. They dont remember how awful Carter, Reagen, Bush and the Clinton years were.

The bigger issue is to be careful whom you align with or what your brand is.

So when we link to, tweet, Gab the truth that wins and red pills the kids. It's why its good to take up another work and support it; when its honorable, good, etc.

Look at the massive impact Lauren Southon, Brittany and Tara are having - they will prove to be better than Ann Coulter not to be competitive or make it a race but those 3 say uncomfortable things about life that are in fact true on their platforms when other women are tied down or owned by a publisher or a corporate figure.

Given I adore Annie but fox news to other outlets dont understand they will be forced to make room for younger better fearless presenters, and not to be generational but our boomers dont even know whats going on with AJ.

I polled my patrons Monday and Today all older women some young women only 2 women out a group of 60 something knew Kelly and AJ. They didn't know Cerno, didn't know AJ or what a infowar even was.

These all wealthy, married women with iphones, facebook, a new car every year, etc., they had no clue. I once asked earlier this month if they knew about Manchester - silence. The boomers watch the 6pm news, take their meds, mourn to me about how hard their lives are, dont have enough stuff and sleep - thats it.

It is culture shock.

Anonymous fop June 20, 2017 4:58 PM  

The thing about chickens.... if you don't feed 'em they will actually begin to eat each other, starting with the weak and sick.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 4:58 PM  

Slight OT, but Dave Rubin is in Mother Jones' sights.

Not really OT. Rubin is a pansy self-promoter, but the problem with the poor man is that he seems to have a conscience and desire to actually get at truth. There is a cost for that.

If I can help him out, I will. He's done some good.

Blogger Quilp June 20, 2017 5:24 PM  

There have been zero requests by the media for interviews..today so far at least, so I'm good. I just don't get who these posts are directed towards.

Anonymous Azimus June 20, 2017 5:24 PM  

No, your clever strategy won't work.

This is why Roosh's Press Conference was like the first use of machine guns in combat... they were not ready for him but have they adapted their tactics? Or maybe they just culled all those reporters...

I think I'm going to go watch that again, if I can find it...

Anonymous Michael Maier June 20, 2017 5:25 PM  

"One profession more despicable than lawyers."

Not even CLOSE to true. Journalists can be vile and pernicious, obsessed and deranged.

But they cannot force their way into your life at gunpoint as lawyers can and do.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 5:28 PM  

BBGKB wrote:OT: NRA CUCKS over revolvers and 1911s


Who cares? Go to Thunder Ranch or Gunsite if you want to use a 1911, or one of the million other gun schools in this country. It's retarded how all these gunnies are crying about this nothingburger.

What's especially retarded is most of the people wigging out about this are libertarian types.

The instructor probably just doesn't want to waste his time dealing with assholes who show up with Taurus 38s or $450 Chineseum 1911s that break every 100 rounds. Big deal.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 5:34 PM  

@ 64 (myself)

Oops, missed a key detail. Apparently there's insurance involved.

So an insurance company has restrictions on behavior covered by the insurance? That's what this implies, and I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!

Anonymous LurkingPuppy June 20, 2017 5:34 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Here is a question for Vox Day: I think you advised Roosh to hold a press conference after the Meet Up controversy.
They were swarming around him and his family, and they were already libeling him. He had nothing to lose then.

Anonymous Sharpened Knife June 20, 2017 5:37 PM  

Haters of the media--like VD--only hate the media when they discover it's not the media that screwed then. Rather, it's the media that let them speak, leading to most others hating them for their anti social and anti American views.

Look at Jones. He wasn't screwed by the media. They just let him talk.

People think if the media doesn't manipulate what they say, all will be fine. Idiots. You are in trouble already when you don't realize you are going to be ridiculed for your views because they are so dispicable to most people.

Blogger BassmanCO June 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

@67 Sharpened Knife, are you retarded or just stupid?

Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 5:56 PM  

Sharpened Knife wrote:People think if the media doesn't manipulate what they say, all will be fine. Idiots. You are in trouble already when you don't realize you are going to be ridiculed for your views because they are so dispicable to most people.

You may want to cast your gaze over at the scoreboard: the executive branch, both houses of the legislative branch, and soon to be the majority of the judicial branch. The vast majority of the nation is moving in this direction and you would be aware of that if you cared to notice.

I just read an article today concerning the Democrat Party tanking with working class Americans. Not white working class Americans: all working class Americans. The Left's path forward is to increase the proportion of jobless Americans, since that's the preponderance their base. This strategy is, of course, suicidal; the nation can't survive a majority of jobless residents. This message is brewing, fermenting, and ripening. It doesn't matter if you, your comrades, or the media find this message despicable--the repercussions are coming.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2017 6:00 PM  

What sized truck will a group of journalists require?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 6:02 PM  

Sharpened Knife, are you retarded or just stupid?

Can we have both?

Blogger Ceasar June 20, 2017 6:03 PM  

So....this is news to Gavin McInnes?

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 6:13 PM  

67 Pple forget that our host Mr. Day is still an AWCA and very smart man, he could care less about the oppositional insane media, he probably laughs at them.

RooshV is another perspective from a great guy I adore, its a delight to listen to him. His reasoning, perspective on things is sound stable and normal. I gab his work as often as I can.

Please everyone, listen to Laura, a courageous girl whom knows the violent left is calling for violence upon us whom love TRUMP, Laura is with AJ, she listens to Cerno, she is an upcoming star, she doesn't want jihad, ISIS or sharia law, she knows its a political death cult not a religion, she is my new girl, she is at rebel media. Thank God for Jack and Laura.

Alex Jones; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v8sG3O9BM

Roosh's best; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCm8C21pXdQ

He wants us to be beautiful 24/7 which I adore! Never be sarcastic, avoid emo porn books, avoid trashy art, act like men in being sluts, look like hell with tanning, look sloppy, eat fatty foods, they refuse to know know how to cook great meals, wear lazy footwear not a nice heel, and ooze promiscuity. He cannot stand K'Dash or slutiness.

You gotta hear both.

Both videos are literally "High and Mighty Color Amazing."

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 6:14 PM  

Dull knife, go look at today's youtube pro-refugee propaganda video and check out the like/dislike ratio. It's about 51k like to 126k dislike right now. Youtube has to actively moderate the comments every few minutes because so many people are posting anti-refugee stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxbdvo2vFwc

There were only 124k dislikes when I first looked at it like 5 minutes ago.

People are sick of this shit and not afraid to show it. And if we're all digging our own graves and our speech is nothing to be afraid of, why is Youtube trying so hard to control what people see in the comments?

Oh look, another 1000 dislikes in the time it took me to write that paragraph. Haha. Yep, we're totally just fringe lunatic losers up in here.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 6:18 PM  

I promise to shut up, it was just very important content today. THere are virtued rules of the blog its just so important to celebrate what non heretics are doing.

Never forget Megyn went against our POTUS.

What is really important; helping Laura, show support for Jack, lean against Megyn Kelly a feminist that likes to be stupid; how feminism tainted everything, ruined the media, wrecked men, wrecked women, wrecked everything.

#DTTTM!

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 6:31 PM  

@58

Look what % of that demographic is on a benzodiazepine or other mood altering prescription! It's disturbing and explains a lot. It also means that when the economy crashes it will initially get ugly fast when all these people suddenly get cut off from their psychotropic meds!

Anonymous Sharpened Knife June 20, 2017 6:33 PM  

"You may want to cast your gaze over at the scoreboard: the executive branch, both houses of the legislative branch, and soon to be the majority of the judicial branch. The vast majority of the nation is moving in this direction and you would be aware of that if you cared to notice."

I'm not sure what you mean by "moving in this direction". Do you mean in Jones' direction? In Cernovich's direction? If that's what you mean, then I believe you are clearly wrong. Also, if you want to use elections as a proxy for how Americans feel, what do you make of the fact that millions of people voted for someone other than trump?

Anonymous Sharpened Knife June 20, 2017 6:35 PM  

"Dull knife, go look at today's youtube pro-refugee propaganda video and check out the like/dislike ratio. It's about 51k like to 126k dislike right now. Youtube has to actively moderate the comments every few minutes because so many people are posting anti-refugee stuff."

Are you really suggesting we use YouTube Video likes and dislikes as a proxy to determine where Americans are leaning? What would it mean if I showed you one where viewers overwhelmingly liked an anti-Trump video or or an anti-hate video.

Lordy.....

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 6:43 PM  

Yes, that's right, I hereby propose we use nothing but youtube like ratios to determine which way the winds are blowing. In fact, why don't we elect people and hold referendums that way? My comment certainly had nothing to do with that simply being the closest bit of evidence that more people are on our page than you claim.

Fucking idiot.

Anonymous Saracen III June 20, 2017 6:44 PM  

@36 James "the history of journalists has [never] been one of honor and dignity"
No? Michael Herr, David Hackworth, John Pilger, Fred Reed, Gary Brecher, Tim Page...

Anonymous Sharpened Knife June 20, 2017 6:51 PM  

"My comment certainly had nothing to do with that simply being the closest bit of evidence that more people are on our page than you claim."

If was nothing more than evidence of what kind of person was sharing the video. It means nothing. Yet, you suggested it did. Bad form.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 6:57 PM  

@74 rough

That youtube video response is great. Read the comments. When ethnic cleansing kicks off its going to get very messy. The tide is turning.


Dull knife

Don't worry, all the "Gibbs me dat" crowd will get their deathmatch.

Anonymous Sharpened Knife June 20, 2017 7:02 PM  

"The tide is turning."

The tide doesn't turn. It just looks that way when you are drowning.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 7:06 PM  

The tide doesn't turn. It just looks that way when you are drowning

Oh man, now I'm demoralized and need to go wave a rainbow flag in support of mentally disturbed trans people to validate my self worth :(

Anonymous Joseph Nerevar June 20, 2017 7:08 PM  

There are some smart people here so I want to throw a thought to the wind:

We need our own social media. The /pol/s and /rel/s and /react/s and various nationalist groups on facebook, among countless others, have been the best place for discourse. They've been better than the chans. There is something about having a mix of real accounts, pseudoreal accounts and frog accounts which make the debates a lot more entertaining. You can make groups of a few thousand in size and you end up with different groups each having different "regulars", and different cultures, and forming large friendship networks and connections between nationalists and traditionalists

We had something amazing and we still have it to an extent, but Zuckerberg is cracking down. He's hiring thousands of more staff to filter out the fake accounts, to filter tradposting and fashposting, and filter our memes

The alt-right has competent people. Why is there is not a single well-designed alternative to Facebook? I believe that the best way to co-ordinate ourselves in the future is exactly what Zuckerberg is cracking down on (I like to call it "Tradbook" and "Fashbook", as opposed to "Normiebook")

We need an alternative social media which encourages real identities while simultaneously allowing anon and pseudoanon accounts, and which allows people to make and manage their own groups

Blogger Junior June 20, 2017 7:14 PM  

I'm a 57-year-old under-employed real journalist (actually have a journalism degree, not a "communications" degree) and I was fortunate to have some real old school mother fucking professors who taught me about objectivity, two of them journalism professors and one a European history professor.

I will be forever grateful to these men for granting me access to the tools of reason--even though reason turned out not to be a skill or an ability high in demand in the journalism field, even in the early 1990s.

Media institutions (no matter what size) don't want reporters to think for themselves. They want reporters to think like them, the owners, to embrace any and every idiosyncrasy the owners may have. This has been true throughout the history of journalism, although they didn't exactly teach that in J-school.

Now of course one of great debates of Western Civilization is, does objectivity exist? Is it even possible, given the human condition? After many years trying to practice it, I've concluded, with many others, that it is an ideal, and ideal that journalists should strive for, to elevate their work from mere propaganda to science and even art.

Of course, by saying "mere propaganda," like it has no value, when it fact it has more value in the media market than objective journalism, I'm being somewhat facetious.

The truth is, Vox is right in the advice he gives to Alt-Right personalities to avoid interviews with the mainstream media, and any other media source not perceived as friendly. They are not your friends. They are there first, to promulgate their owner's belief system and second to make money (or even lose money, i.e. Huff Post, Salon).

Still, I have a dream, an ideal. Someone, someday, will do a totally objective article on Andrew Anglin. It's probably not going to be me, but I'd sure like to read it.

Blogger DeploraBard June 20, 2017 7:21 PM  

85) Why? Short answer - Resources: Time and money in all their forms

Blogger Feather Blade June 20, 2017 7:39 PM  

@85 Sounds like a great idea.

Go make it happen.


What's that phrase? "Be the change you want to see in the world"?
.

Anonymous MrNiceguy June 20, 2017 7:44 PM  

I think Dave the Good had some advice on this...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 7:50 PM  

Joseph Nerevar wrote:

The alt-right has competent people. Why is there is not a single well-designed alternative to Facebook? I believe that the best way to co-ordinate ourselves in the future is exactly what Zuckerberg is cracking down on (I like to call it "Tradbook" and "Fashbook", as opposed to "Normiebook")


Facebook is doomed. As a matter of social relevance, it's already insignificant. As a mater of finance, they've oversold and underdelivered. Don't get me wrong, Facebook will still be around in ten years. Myspace will also still be around in 10 years.
Twitter is busy banning, shadow banning, locking out and otherwise driving away their most popular users, and facebook keeps promising (and not delivering, but that's as much a habit as anything) to do the same.
Just as Infogalactic will eat Wiki's lunch, and Gab will seduce Twitter's girlfriend, something will rise that will take over the space that facebook now occupies.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 8:04 PM  

@ 85

I suppose it depends on what you mean by an alternative to facebook, what specific features it's desirable to copy. Facebook as it is is stupid expensive to operate.

Off the top of my head, it would be fairly easy to build some kind of central site where people could register their names/handles and set up profiles and whatnot. Maybe allow feedback/reputation rating on the profiles from other members.

Groups would have their own domains, and just reference the central ID repository to make it easy to see who someone is, and difficult for people to impersonate them. They could use common formats for their boards, or make their own and just tie into the central site. Groups would be responsible for figuring out their own hosting. Groups that wanted to host loads of media can pay for it themselves or rely on free services, instead of loading down the central site.

That's basically just an alt-right-controlled OpenID scheme.

With enough commonality between the different group boards, it would be easy to tie them together, embed bits from other groups, etc. Sort of a distributed forum model. I'm not really sure why that would be important, all things considered.

You'd want someone quite competent running the central ID site, of course.

I have no idea how much interest there would be in such a system, but it would be a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to do something like that than try to clone facebook.

Anonymous Leo June 20, 2017 8:45 PM  

Matthew 7:6
Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Anonymous Joseph Nerevar June 20, 2017 9:02 PM  

@88 I have always wanted to be a programmer of games and websites, but I was never able to do it psychologically. Something about learning code just feels like hitting a brick wall. I ended up specializing in Chemistry rather than computer science, because I don't freeze up at the sight of the diagrams as I do with learning code.

Alas it means that every time I think I think we need certain software, I get told to do it myself. But it is like asking someone without legs to walk.

@90 I agree. But look at Gab.ai! It is pink and it has Hindi language on the front page. I could not use Gab.ai without feeling like a total fag.

Why can't Gab just get a nice decent design? Why does it have to be pink?

I suspect we have a problem in the fact that the people who can code software and websites do not have the artistic intuition to make an appropriate visual design. And since it is the coders who actually do all the work, they are not going to be likely to defer to someone who does have design intuition, for it gives them too much credit

We have some good visual designers. The guys behind the_donald are simply brilliant from an artistic perspective. It is constantly good looking, funny, new and refreshing. It would be nice if people like that hooked up with whoever codes gab.ai, and helped redesign it

@91

I think it needs to basically have normies mixed in with anon or pseudoanononymous accounts. Perhaps people who use real identities could verify their account and get a green tick next to their name. Group admins could decide which type of accounts they want to restrict their group to, etc.

We need real IDs because it allows us to build connections. I've met real life friends just from debating stuff and posting memes, chatting, and then looking at their profile and seeing that they live in the same area. It also makes it easy to form regional groups like "British alt right", "Australian Trad Catholics" and so on. We've even had several couples meet up to raise children.

It's a powerful technology, but Zuckerberg is nuking it.

We also need more than just groups. The friend/follow ability is very useful. You could use your timeline as essentially a personal blog, and people end up sharing your posts and making random comments, leads to connecting with and meeting a lot of different people. Then you add them to the same groups as you and you add their friends-of-friends and so on until you end up building your own personal network and newsfeed full of natsocs and religious traditionalists

Blogger Lazarus June 20, 2017 9:32 PM  

BassmanCO wrote:@67 Sharpened Knife, are you retarded or just stupid?

Its poop.

Don't touch the poop.

Watch out where the huskies go,
And don't you eat that yellow snow.

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Blogger SirGroggy June 20, 2017 9:59 PM  

Thomas Howard wrote:Sharpened Knife wrote:People think if the media doesn't manipulate what they say, all will be fine. Idiots. You are in trouble already when you don't realize you are going to be ridiculed for your views because they are so dispicable to most people.

You may want to cast your gaze over at the scoreboard: the executive branch, both houses of the legislative branch, and soon to be the majority of the judicial branch. The vast majority of the nation is moving in this direction and you would be aware of that if you cared to notice.

I just read an article today concerning the Democrat Party tanking with working class Americans. Not white working class Americans: all working class Americans. The Left's path forward is to increase the proportion of jobless Americans, since that's the preponderance their base. This strategy is, of course, suicidal; the nation can't survive a majority of jobless residents. This message is brewing, fermenting, and ripening. It doesn't matter if you, your comrades, or the media find this message despicable--the repercussions are coming.


The problem is that 99% of the Republicans are actually cuckservatives, so the 'scoreboard' means nothing.

The Republicans are utterly useless at conserving anything let alone the most basic attribute of a nation, namely the borders that outline the land for the people who are supposed to reside in those borders without them being invaded.

The God-Emperor is the only redeeming thing on the scoreboard.

Even Mike Pence is a borderline cuck and he is considered to be a Nazi by the media and the left.

THE LEFT IS THE ENEMY
&
THE MEDIA IS PART OF THE LEFT

Blogger Matthew June 20, 2017 10:27 PM  

Shut up, Obvious.

(and the rest of you, don't touch the poop)

Blogger Mountain Man June 20, 2017 10:43 PM  

@85
Minds
https://www.minds.com

Anonymous Saracen III June 20, 2017 10:43 PM  

@85 Joseph Nerevar "Why is there is not a single well-designed alternative to Facebook?"

An honest discourse undermines Deep State, who have deep pockets, multi-decade planning windows and a total willingness to fight dirty.

They use a graduated response to threats: disparagement > shouting down > economic crippling > legal paralysis > death. To the susceptible add outright threat, bribery and blackmail. They own judges, congress critters, legal firms, police chiefs, governors and spooks. To prevail, one would require ~ 5,000 focussed fellow travellers and a world-class counter-intelligence team. Zuckerberg, Gates and Trump have all been "turned", the latter almost certainly against their will. The Z is young enough to be tempted by the Dark Side but I have no info.

If you try, expect your family members to be driven out of business and many of your friends lost. Just sayin'.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2017 11:01 PM  

Why is there is not a single well-designed alternative to Facebook?

Many Facebook clones already exist. If you'd like to add one more, search for "open source facebook clone," and you'll find many packages to choose from. You can have your own FB clone spun up in no time.

That's the easy part. The hard part is getting enough people to switch to your service -- or use both -- to reach a critical mass of people so that their friends will feel like they have to switch too. FB didn't eat MySpace's lunch by being a better MySpace or tweaking a few things. It offered something very different: a clean interface (if you didn't use MySpace back then, it's hard to describe how ugly it was. Friends could put raw HTML right on your page, so everyone's page was loaded up with blinking text and animated GIFs that killed your browser), and it specifically targeted college students and made it feel exclusive.

Point is, you can't just make an alternative social media site and expect people to switch without a strong incentive, because no matter how well you run it, it's useless without their friends there. When something else overcomes FB, it'll be because it did something important better. Being open to dissenting speech isn't important enough to most people, at least not yet.

Anonymous DMV June 20, 2017 11:54 PM  

It would be easier and far more effective to replace Zuckerberg.

Anonymous Joseph Nerevar June 21, 2017 12:20 AM  

@100

I don't think any decent alternatives exist. Doing a search for "open source facebook clone," gives links to various coding websites and blog articles rather than stuff I can actually join

And I don't think you will find one without a hideous design flaw

For instance the one which I do know of is wrongthink.net. But this gets the design completely wrong. We need a social media where everyone can have a plausible "normal" account, where different groups exist, but one which doesn't make being right-wing part of its image. No Hitlers floating around on the front page. We need a normal platform which simply allows any political groups to exist on it, but where ordinary kids can use it with plausible deniability

Blogger VD June 21, 2017 4:55 AM  

Why is there is not a single well-designed alternative to Facebook?

Because no one on the Right is willing to put any money into it. These things don't just magically happen. Infogalactic has over 500 people supporting it. Gab has 3x more.

Are you supporting either of them yourself? If not, then you need not wonder why a Facebook alternative doesn't exist. It's because of you and everyone like you who is sitting there on your Right Wing Island, waiting for cargo.

Blogger Harry Goldblatt MD June 21, 2017 6:15 AM  

Facebook and Twitter are well understood platforms, so emulating them is not really the issue. There are several Twitter like open source platforms out there.
The point is that there is no late comer advantage to joining the social media fray.
People are simply not going to move platform in significant numbers unless there is a compelling reason.
Though there are alternatives to Twitter, the audience is much smaller. I can troll JK Rowling on Twitter and not anywhere else really.
I just hope Twatter goes under and Gab can take over - thats when things start becoming really interesting.

Blogger James June 21, 2017 10:24 AM  

Michael Maier wrote:"One profession more despicable than lawyers."
Journalists can be vile and pernicious, obsessed and deranged.


A Zappa fan?

Blogger James June 21, 2017 10:31 AM  

Saracen III wrote:@36 James "the history of journalists has [never] been one of honor and dignity"

No? Michael Herr, David Hackworth, John Pilger, Fred Reed, Gary Brecher, Tim Page...


You need to read the entire content. Didn't I include "I suppose there have been journalists that weren't complete scum, like small town reporters, but for the most part they have been paid shills to promote someone's agenda." Using phrases like "I suppose there have been" and "for the most part" indicates they actually have been some journalists that weren't lying SOS's, or were able to string a few words together with panache. But, the "History of Journalism" is one that is overwhelmingly sucky.

Anonymous Joseph Nerevar June 21, 2017 11:20 AM  

@104

If that were the case then we would expect at least one single decent alternative to exist, but it doesn't. No one has made a proper attempt. And there is nothing to catch people as Facebook declines.

As I was saying earlier even Gab has problems. It has pink borders and Hindu language on the front page which makes me immediately want to close the page without signing up. The pink makes me feel like a fag. The Hindu text makes me think that the website is infested with spambots and third-world perverts.

However great the underlying code of Gab.ai is, the immediate associations I make upon viewing the website are poop, garbage, and sodomy. Don't people read Scott Adams? The image matters, and the gut instinct matters, when it comes to people picking up a new platform

Blogger Texas Cyberthal June 22, 2017 5:07 AM  

Joseph, ask a neurotypical friend to complete the gab signup process for you.

You will never see the pozzed camo again.

Anonymous Joseph Nerevar June 24, 2017 3:53 AM  

I've seen pictures of the inside of Gab, the writing is still pink

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