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Sunday, June 04, 2017

Good luck with that

While it beats the usual "diversity is stronger than hate" ritual, the UK Prime Minister's new anti-terrorism program falls well short of one with any chance of success:
'We cannot and must not pretend things can continue as they are. Things need to change and they need to change in four important ways.'
  • Defeating the extreme Islamist ideology to make them understand 'pluralistic British values' are superior 
  • Ending the 'safe space' online for the plotting of terror attacks 
  • Continuing military action against ISIS terrorists in Iraq and Syria 
  • Tougher prison sentences at home for terrorist offences  
First, the problem is not "the extreme Islamist ideology", the problem is Islam. Period. The West will continue to suffer these attacks so long as Muslims are permitted to reside in the West. There is a reason why Western nations periodically expelled troublesome minorities, and they will have to do so again if they prefer peaceful societies to diverse ones. The West will either embrace Reconquista 2.0 or it will cease to exist.

Second, pluralistic British values are not only not superior, they are not even coherent. "Pluralistic values" is a self-contradiction.

Third, the problem is not safe spaces online, but the safe spaces in the West. It's very difficult to commit an attack in London or Manchester if you reside in Libya and your travel is banned. Not so tough if you reside in Bradford.

Fourth, fighting them there instead of here hasn't worked since 2001. It's not going to work in 2017 either. Military action against Islam is needed in the UK, Europe, and the USA, not in Iraq and Syria.

Fifth, imprisoning terrorists has historically proven counterproductive everywhere from Egypt to Germany. It usually leads to more terrorist attacks and hostage-taking. Even simple deportation is probably preferable. And the prospect of prison is not likely to dissuade suicide bombers. Only severe reprisals will suffice to do that.

The leaders of the West are still shirking their duties. They're trying to win a war without fighting it. That is why new leadership is required. And that is why the God-Emperor should now declare martial law and imprison the judges who are illegally attempting to tie his hands.

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Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 04, 2017 8:08 AM  

And that is why the God-Emperor should now declare martial law and imprison the judges who are illegally attempting to tie his hands.

He should just write a new travel ban and suspend all immigration

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 04, 2017 8:09 AM  

Soooo basically the usual combination: another step towards a police state, verbal affirmation of diversity equaling strength and more cash for their buddies in the military industrial complex. No hint of keeping out or, heaven forbid, getting rid of foreigners.

Blogger Jeff Wood June 04, 2017 8:09 AM  

They have to go back.

Every. Last. One.

Followed by the Africans.

Paid off if possible, at bayonet point if necessary.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 04, 2017 8:13 AM  

The article and the government/state are the usual rubbish, no legit.

The comments are gold though.

Anonymous Matatan June 04, 2017 8:13 AM  

Without Islam, there is no radical Islam.

Blogger William Meisheid June 04, 2017 8:15 AM  

" "Pluralistic values" is a self-contradiction.
"

Would it be "Pluralistic values are a self-contradiction"? Oxymoronic is definitely another description.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 04, 2017 8:16 AM  

I am sure this goes without saying among the readers here but any new online "anti-safe space" powers will be used to combat "Nazi hate speech" rather than terrorism.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 04, 2017 8:19 AM  

Trump should just say the Left disregards the law and courts at will. I'll do the same.

Meanwhile John Schindler's latest post is showing he's convinced of Trump Russia collusion. I doubt Limbaugh will be having him on again anytime soon.

Blogger Sam Spade June 04, 2017 8:20 AM  

It's amazing how they can't or don't want to see the only relevant problem: too many muslims.

And the only coherent solution. Ban Islam and deport muslims.

Now they have the excuse to install a police state in name of "security", probably what they always wanted. Create the problem and provide the solution to it.

The funny thing is they can't control so many muslims, even with invasive policies. So maybe the situation won't go the way they expected and wanted.

They won't be able to provide the solution, so unexpected things will happen.

Anonymous Jeff June 04, 2017 8:27 AM  

@3 JW

They have to go back.

Every. Last. One.

Followed by the Africans.


Certain other (((groups))) should go first.

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 8:28 AM  

T-May: "Defeating the extreme Islamist ideology to make them understand 'pluralistic British values' are superior"

"Yes, yes, we're going to wag a STERN finger at them and say very loudly: BAD DOG! BAD! That will make them understand!"

How CAN they all be so stupid?!

Anonymous old man in a villa June 04, 2017 8:29 AM  

"Defeating the extreme Islamist ideology to make them understand 'pluralistic British values' are superior"

If that's one of the goals then they've already lost. If 1400 years wasn't enough time to convince them, it's a little late in the game to start a new initiative.

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 8:29 AM  

T-May, still!: "Ending the 'safe space' online for the plotting of terror attacks"

"But NOT their safe spaces in the meat-world! We still will not DARE to trespass on mosques and round up the guns and knives (and moslems) and get rid of them!"

Blogger Phillip George June 04, 2017 8:31 AM  

pluralistic values
E pluribus unum got everyone into a lot of trouble. We don't need freemasons.

pluralism means we can agree to disagree on how many angels can dance on the head of a needle. It doesn't accommodate Christ and Anti Christ.

Pragmatic Specificity. the devil is in the detail.

bursting the bubble is a good start though.

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 8:31 AM  

@1 "And that is why the God-Emperor should now declare martial law and imprison the judges who are illegally attempting to tie his hands.

He should just write a new travel ban and suspend all immigration"

He CAN do both! He SHOULD do both!

Blogger Johnny June 04, 2017 8:34 AM  

Let things continue and in a matter of time all of London will be a no go zone for the non Islamics. The starting point I suppose will be for tourism to be down and and non Islamics being reluctant to move there.

Blogger Doom June 04, 2017 8:34 AM  

Would marshal law give Trump the power to override, even arrest, certain judges? I could easily see it being called treason. That, with just a few actual trials... assuming they end in a guilty verdict, would chill that right down. Hmm? Oh, just make sure it's a military trial, being a defense issue. Just some thoughts.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 04, 2017 8:35 AM  

Would marshal law give Trump the power to override, even arrest, certain judges?

Lincoln did it

Blogger Doom June 04, 2017 8:35 AM  

We can't play the old game the old way and expect to win. Heads will have to roll. Get with the program... for those who were just about to quibble. This has to be unequibbleable!

Blogger Wanderer June 04, 2017 8:35 AM  

Western leaders aren't just simply stupid. This is all on purpose. These same people are spending their nights spiritcooking and fucking children's corpses. They worship Satan and seek the destruction of the Western and Christian way of life.

Blogger Doom June 04, 2017 8:36 AM  

Well, there you go. Not even the dindus can bitch about it, then. :)

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 8:36 AM  

@10 "They have to go back.
Every. Last. One.
Followed by the Africans.
Certain other (((groups))) should go first."

What, there's some lovely orderly British queue they have to join to go away? (ONLY Brits do that! These foreigners think jumping the line is right.) They can ALL go together! Roll an old transport ship up to the quay, herd them on (love a cattle prod!), and sail them away! (And if the ship "mistakenly" slices through a couple NGO import ships... oops! too bad so sad, buy-bye!)

Anonymous Steve June 04, 2017 8:40 AM  

Yes, it's bollocks.

However, just last year, I heard our then-Prime Minister unironically claim "Islam is a religion of peace". I'm not defending May: she's a useless cow. By the weak, gay standards of our political elite though, this is almost Churchillian rhetoric.

The Cuckservatives are being painfully dragged towards realtalk and real action by the mounting body count and the fury of their base. If May doesn't start fighting back, she'll be replaced by a man who will.

It's incredibly frustrating to watch, and they'll grasp at every worthless straw on the way, but the outcome isn't in doubt. Uncucking Britain is a process, not an event.

Anonymous Opus June 04, 2017 8:47 AM  

My parents were British as were their parents and their parents before them and so on and yet for the life of me I have no idea what 'British Values' - which I take in some way to be different from French or German or American values - might be. I am however fairly certain that were I able in my working Tardis to show - even say - my grandparents what modern Britain looks like they would be speechless at the supineness of the political establishment and its persistent inability to do more than wring their hands and pronounce meaningless platitudes. Never mind what my Mother's Grandfather who fought amongst other places against the Mahdi in the Sudan might have said. He might have thought he had been wasting his time.

Blogger Johnny June 04, 2017 8:49 AM  

Terrorism is what tribal warfare used to be before some tribes got well enough organized to fight as a unit instead of individuals. By its very nature it is a war between populations. All Islam does is to substitute the religious identity for the tribal identity.

If we used the same words to describe how people act, the Indian "nations" to the west of the expanding European population were terrorists.

The the next logical step is to move beyond moral judgement and note what works and what does not work.

The choices are:

Surrender and move out or be exterminated.

Become terrorists as the other side is terrorists and live with tribal warfare as the norm.

Fight them on their own terms using the European army method. That is, European army methods with tribal goals. Or more bluntly, a war against populations not combatants. Ultimately, run them out or kill them.



Blogger wreckage June 04, 2017 8:50 AM  

"We cannot and must not pretend things can continue as they are."

Once that becomes acceptable-think, change can actually happen. Until now saying there was a problem was tantamount to heresy, or, worse yet, racism!

Anonymous Martin June 04, 2017 8:51 AM  

"The West will either embrace Reconquista 2.0 or it will cease to exist."

Yes.

Blogger wreckage June 04, 2017 8:52 AM  

@25 well, since we're not trying to steal their land, putting them on reservations should work nicely.

Anonymous Rocklea June 04, 2017 8:54 AM  

Theresa May:-"While we have made significant progress in recent years, there is to be frank, far too much tolerance of extremism, in our country."

If the yard stick of significant progress, culminates in three deadly attacks in as many months, then what is real progress going to look like? And what, pray tell, is "too much tolerance"? Would that be Extreme Tolerance? And precisely whose country is she talking about? Maybe if she was Frank things would change.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl June 04, 2017 8:54 AM  

@23 Steve

I have to agree that it's better than the previous policies of 1. Bribe Turkey, Saudis 2. Surrender 3. Let the peasants deal with it 4. Grab ankles.

Or Sweden's policy - "Islam is mad. Let's surrender."

At least the words "defeat" and "Islam" are in the same sentence, where Islam is the object rather than the subject this time.

Brits are a polite bunch. This is really really tough talk for anyone above working class there.

Blogger Stephen Davenport June 04, 2017 8:54 AM  

Military force needs to be used against ISIS, I am not talking about the nickel and diming that is going on now, I mean brute force, take no prisoners style. Once they hold no territory, it will make it harder for them to plan without worrying that the local popo knocking down their door, IMO.

Blogger Otto Lamp June 04, 2017 8:54 AM  

I don't think she understands what the word pluralistic means.

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plu·ral·is·tic

adjective

relating to or advocating a system in which two or more states, groups, principles, sources of authority, etc., coexist.

relating to a system of thought that recognizes more than one ultimate principle.
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Sharia law (which allows for jihad) living along side British law is pluralistic.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 04, 2017 8:56 AM  


Western elites foreign policy:

1. Reduce various countires in the Middle EAst/third world to rubble

2. Then invite the survivors to live in White people's nations and neighboruhoods.

A lose/lose plan for White Genocide.



You can be sure no elite member in the non-Western world, in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, you name it, would trash their own citizens this way.

Anonymous fop June 04, 2017 8:57 AM  

Where have all the hooligans gone.

Anonymous Icicle X June 04, 2017 8:58 AM  

Do you enjoy beer? Whiskey on occasion? Going to the pub now and then? Wine at dinner?

Yes?

Then why would you want these people here in the West?

Anonymous Texas exile June 04, 2017 8:58 AM  

@9

True. They don't want to suppress terrorism, they want the police state. Terrorism is an excuse.

If they wanted to suppress terrorism you don't need a web of cctv cameras, complete internet penetration, and totalitarian rules, you need focused intelligence on potential agent provocateurs, proactive policing of terrorist candidates, and proactive deportation policies. Focused measures, a few million pounds and a thousands of man hours around a handful of individuals, not wasting billions of dollars and millions of man hours on everyone, 99.9% of whom are the people you are ostensibly trying to protect... unless they are the real target all along.

The obvious goal is this. 1. Create a blackmail state, for any potential politicians or influential individuals. 2. Create in the populace the paranoia of east Germany by creating a panoptigon. 3. Make money with juicy government contracts.

The author of 3 felonies a day states the laws are so convoluted and complex if they follow you about your normal day the authorities can find a felony with which to charge you. In Britain they can do this without leaving their comfy desks, but refuse to even investigate known terrorists. The conclusion is obvious. The cameras aren't there for them, they're there for you.

Anonymous Joe Blowe June 04, 2017 8:58 AM  

Britain will have as much success convincing the Arabs to act civilized as the USA has had convincing the African-in-America to act civilized. The African-in-America has been in this country for 400 years and most are still not assimilated. Education does not work and prison is certainly not a deterrent.

I have to disagree with VD. Islam is not the problem, per say. Islam is just a manifestation of the the primitive nature of the Arab. It was invented by desert bandits to justify their carnal, violent ways. St. Thomas Aquinas had their number almost 800 years ago -
https://www.tfpstudentaction.org/resources/forgotten-truths/what-saint-thomas-aquinas-says-about-mohammed-and-islam.

The problem is the Underman, of which the Muhammadan is a subset -

https://archive.org/details/revoltagainstciv00stod

Certainly there are Christian Arabs and other non-extremists but those were already the best of the lot so of course they take the better path. Those are the people that should be put in charge of Arab World. We should be giving men like that, men like Alawite Assad, all the support they need.

Blogger seeingsights June 04, 2017 9:03 AM  

I have two different suggestions, off the top of my head:

1. Moratorium on immigration.

2. Start a policy of increased gun ownership among the citizens of the UK. I'm well aware that having something like the Second Amendment in the UK is unlikely. However, a policy could be created which, say, allows a UK citizen to keep arms if they go through gun training, if they have no criminal record, and so forth. At least allow the security guards of firms to carry guns.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 04, 2017 9:08 AM  

History is a very interesting subject when you're watching it play out, mostly in repeat, right in front of you.

Given that security services work for whoever pays them and is above them in the pecking order, the next stage is assassinations of low-level political leaders & judges. Once that starts happening, problems will start to get solved.

Blogger jandolin June 04, 2017 9:09 AM  

No lectures from the elites saying "They will not divide us."

The policy of the elites is

They will not divide us.

They will kill us

But

They will not divide us.

Blogger Gunnar Thalweg June 04, 2017 9:12 AM  

The problem is ... there is not the political will for martial law and deportation. Just not going to happen. Trump couldn't even get a temporary, common-sense immigration pause without a good proportion of the powers that be screaming bloody murder.

I would love to point out a conspiracy theory on why this is so. I think there are a couple of issues:

(1) The powers that be of both parties don't mind building a larger security state. It works to their advantage. They don't care about the costs, loss of privacy, loss of convenience and loss of security. It gives them an excuse to put all of us under their heel.

(2) They see Islamic terrorism as a remote thing, because it is. It's on the news, but the terrorism is not active enough worldwide that anyone thinks it will happen to them. Perhaps in Paris and London, now. Only when people really think it's a threat, then, maybe, will we see will to change.

3. Muslims did this for generations to the Byzantines ... and the Byzantines thought they were a nuisance.

4. If we really want to get rid of Muslims, we will have to confront our own, first. By our own, I mean those who are busy saying, Not All Muslims Are Like That, and who see every act of self-defense as an excuse to morally posture.

That is going to involve not violent confrontation with our own beyond pushing and shoving, but real political and spiritual leadership. Somehow, and better minds than mind will have to figure this out, we are going to need to seize the narrative and OWN the mainstream version of the narrative, even among middle-class, educated professionals.

Blogger Gunnar Thalweg June 04, 2017 9:16 AM  

To clarify: I don't think there is a big conspiracy here. I think the Elite and Educated Classes don't see Islam as a threat and never will. We will need to confront our own Educated Classes ... and seize the narrative from them. I do not know how to do that. But I intuitively believe that we can, that there is a way.

Blogger Eric Steiger June 04, 2017 9:19 AM  

The blueprint for dealing with muslim invaders has existed since the 1400s. It's time for the West to ask itself, "what would Prince Vlad, the Son of the Dragon, of Wallachia do in this situation?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft June 04, 2017 9:26 AM  

We're almost there psychologically. Almost where we need to be. @25. Johnny has the right idea. If it's inseparably integrated into the population, either the entire population has to be deported, barred and banned forever, or if unwilling they have to be utterly eradicated.

In addition to that, yes. Moslems are not the only "problematic" population.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft June 04, 2017 9:29 AM  

Gunnar, it has to be by physical force. So many people are constitutionally incapable of understanding anything else, and when you boil down to it, there isn't anything else materially.

Blogger Sam June 04, 2017 9:31 AM  

@37
Christian Arabs also haven't inbred (no polygamy, no cousin marriage) and so are more intelligent and less clannish.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 04, 2017 9:36 AM  

The West has many enemies.

But none are more deadly than the persistent traitor within who care nothing for Whites and their future.

I watched Teresa May's 'speech' today with disgust and derision. SHE is the problem and she and other elites bear complicity for all of this.

Let them eat cake.............

Blogger Chris Mallory June 04, 2017 9:37 AM  

Stephen Davenport wrote:Military force needs to be used against ISIS, I am not talking about the nickel and diming that is going on now, I mean brute force, take no prisoners style. Once they hold no territory, it will make it harder for them to plan without worrying that the local popo knocking down their door, IMO.

The exact wrong thing to do. The force needs to be used in expelling Muslims from the West.

You do realize that 9/11 was largely planned by a cell operating in Hamburg, Germany? (according to the official story)

ISIS in the Middle East is no threat to the West unless we invite them in.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados June 04, 2017 9:38 AM  

Trump is not dumb. If people have been paying attention, Trump is very good at making lemonade out of lemons. He used the Judicial meddling with his travel ban as a way to highlight that there's a problem with the Judiciary Branch in this country. You can see now that the SCOTUS is fast-tracking his travel ban for a hearing, and I think it'll go even faster now in light of this latest attack.

They know that people won't blame Trump if something like that happens here, they'll go right after the Judiciary and Trump will be more than happy to remind them of who put the convenience of foreign nationals ahead of the safety of law-abiding American citizens.

I'd say before the end of the month the travel ban will be in full effect, and you'll see less bravado from slactivist judges in interfering with the God-Emperors's edicts.

Blogger Lovekraft June 04, 2017 9:39 AM  

Toronto's Rob Ford was a glimmer of hope, a single-issue politician who knew the attacks would begin by the big government trough-eaters as soon as he took office.

Someone who has one issue, knowing he won't be reelected and will likely be demonized on a daily basis is the future for politicians. Anything less and you have a Justin Trudeau, a demented moron.

The De-Mosquify Platform would arise, clean them out, and do as much to prevent reentry while it can.

Anonymous badhairday June 04, 2017 9:43 AM  

Not my new normal.

Anonymous krymneth June 04, 2017 9:46 AM  

"Is" is correct. The quotes turn the phrase itself into the subject, and regardless of the contents of the phrase, it is a singular subject.

Technically you can get away without the quote marks, but it is clearer to include them.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 04, 2017 9:48 AM  

"Ending safe spaces online" will be used against the right and those who dissent against migration invasion and islam

Blogger APL June 04, 2017 9:58 AM  

@32 "I don't think she understands what the word pluralistic means.

Sharia law (which allows for jihad) living along side British law is pluralistic."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/674489/Home-Secretary-Theresa-May-says-Britain-benefits-Sharia-Law

Blogger James Dixon June 04, 2017 10:02 AM  

> And that is why the God-Emperor should now declare martial law and imprison the judges who are illegally attempting to tie his hands.

Give him time, Vox. First, the Supreme Court has yet to be heard from. Second, wait for the budget impasse this fall and see what he does in response to it.

> He should just write a new travel ban and suspend all immigration.

Yes. That is the obvious solution.

> ...there is not the political will for martial law and deportation.

It only takes one.

Blogger ZhukovG June 04, 2017 10:02 AM  

@Opus: I don't know about a deep understanding of British values.

But a stroll along a canal in East Anglia on a cool misty morning, knowing a proper cup of tea was waiting for me made me feel, well, like I was coming home. And my family hasn't lived in Britain since the early 1600s.

Anonymous crew June 04, 2017 10:08 AM  

As an entry by Steve Sailer says, they have forgotten past arguments:

It is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/thats-what-separate-countries-are-for/

Blogger Keith Glass June 04, 2017 10:08 AM  

This Just in from London: #NoMoreHashtags

Anonymous johnc June 04, 2017 10:09 AM  

@20 Western leaders aren't just simply stupid. This is all on purpose. These same people are spending their nights spiritcooking and fucking children's corpses. They worship Satan and seek the destruction of the Western and Christian way of life.

Yeah I agree. This is the situation in a nutshell. And one of the reasons it happens is because a significant slice of the population is only marginally less evil.

Right now Eastern Europe and Russia are looking brighter. We'll see if they can hold on.

Blogger Quilp June 04, 2017 10:13 AM  

Very clear thinking on the entire matter Vox. Thank You

Anonymous The Pissed Off Teacher June 04, 2017 10:13 AM  

I was with her right up until she started detailing *how* things would change...

*sigh*

Anonymous Godfrey June 04, 2017 10:14 AM  

Open borders for you, your wife, and your children...

...closed communities and personal security for the Globalists and their stooges.

Anonymous Godfrey June 04, 2017 10:17 AM  

The Globalist are using migrants as shock troops against the native populations of the West.

Since you won't kneel and worship them, you're being replaced.

Anonymous LES June 04, 2017 10:17 AM  

Could we consider discontinuing droning civilians in Muslim countries to make the Levant safe for Israel's expansionist plans?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents June 04, 2017 10:17 AM  

No one has said it yet? I'll do it.

Know Islam, No Peace
No Islam, Know Peace
.

They have to go back. Start with the mayor of London.

Blogger tz June 04, 2017 10:18 AM  

London has 1984 big brother cameras everywhere and England bans anything that even looks like a weapon. It isn't helping.

The pluralistic values are what preventing any effective defense or solution.

In many cases they know who is radicalized, but don't act.

Anonymous Bad Attitude June 04, 2017 10:25 AM  

Eliminating "safe spaces" for islamists must include reducing their mosques to rubble. As a simple first step, once the mosque the terrorist(s) worshiped at is identified, it should be immediately destroyed. The members of that mosque knew or should have known about the the plans of the terrorists and did nothing. And, if the mosque is using leased space, too bad for the landlord - he should not have leased his property to muslims.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 04, 2017 10:28 AM  

Wait, are you saying we shouldn't welcome Muslim refugees into our country? But that would be so heartless!

https://youtu.be/elSVlLCZDZQ

Blogger pnq8787 June 04, 2017 10:33 AM  

Those who only complain about the evil of Islam only after a terror attack, or those who want to permit immigration as long as the immigrants are "good immigrants who integrate" are not fit to lead.

A good leader would see the protection of his nation's race and culture as the ultimate good. THAT is the reason why you close the borders, not to prevent terror but to preserve your nation. Anything less than this is cucking.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 04, 2017 10:53 AM  

"British values" are to draw and quarter traitors and to post the various body parts around the kingdom. alternatively to hang them on the walls of city.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Guy_Fawkes#Trial_and_execution

the only novelty i would suggest for the current situation would be that each body part / surviving muslim attacker should be sown up into a pig carcass.


because i'm Liberal and Progressive like that.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNDNB-MxRJGfttkT9-Z8aixc22gTMxLmxlN0QLh

Blogger Silly but True June 04, 2017 10:55 AM  

The symbol of the power of the Pentecost event as reversing the Curse has been lost on most in our day and age.

The Holy Spirit did not make everyone hear the _same_ message of Christ. The Holy Spirit made everyone hear the message of Christ in their _own_ nation's tongue.

_God_ says you have to go back; you'll hear His message best there.

Anonymous BBGKB June 04, 2017 10:59 AM  

London's mayor said TRUMP's moslem ban wouldn't work because the stabby moslems were born there, I guess he wants us to kill pregnant moslems.

If you were unarmed in a DieVerse area when moslems went around being stabby, would you throw/maneuver a random hijab wearer towards the knife?

I would no point in only moslems being able to use their women/children as shields & defanging the snake moves are risky. It might even overwhelm stabby moslems mental capacity.

It's amazing how they can't or don't want to see the only relevant problem: too many muslims

19 moslems was too many in 2001!!!!!

Anonymous BBGKB June 04, 2017 11:00 AM  

Theresa May:-"While we have made significant progress in recent years

Other than jailing people who speak the truth about moslems what progress has been made ?

it will make it harder for them to plan without worrying that the local popo knocking down their

Local UK popo is unarmed it would be suicide for them to do that. It took them a while to form a special SWAT team to deal with black gun crime in London called Operation Trident.

say, allows a UK citizen to keep arms if they go through gun training, if they have no criminal record, and so forth.

There would be c#nts trying to help/push minorities thru the system, in the name of equality

I think the Elite and Educated Classes don't see Islam as a threat and never will.

Gay jews fear Bibi Netandyahoo more than moslem beheaders!!!

Blogger John S June 04, 2017 11:02 AM  

This just in: Vox subjected to canine veto of periscope! Developing...

Blogger Salt June 04, 2017 11:03 AM  

Juxtaposing two dissimilar events with a common element -

https://tinyurl.com/ycsjkvzv

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2eb_1496309988

Blogger Doom June 04, 2017 11:11 AM  

There is absolutely no doubt, at this time, that they know, and have known for quite some time, that their intent was to harm their constituents while doing absolutely no good for the "immigrants". It is a war on their own people. Some think it's Satanism, others just foolishness or greed. It certainly isn't ethics or morality. It might even be, perhaps, to try to light the fire in people, to get them to fight to live. They seem to have lost it.

Dunno. I just keep it locked and loaded, and will do what I need as is required. It isn't looking good though.

Anonymous BBGKB June 04, 2017 11:11 AM  

"Tougher prison sentences at home for terrorist offences "~ Teresa May

Please the (((elite) that snorts cocaine off little ____ ______, wont even let the UK pass the death penalty for suicide bombers.

Blogger digra June 04, 2017 11:17 AM  

After brexit is complete I expect any instances of mooselim terrorism to be met with violence. The phlegmatic Britons are just getting their snot reserves up.

Anonymous gxg June 04, 2017 11:21 AM  

The related UK Daily Mail articles aren't accepting comments. See, the elites ARE doing something to stamp out extremism

...among Brits who might object to getting stabbed, run over, or blown up.

Blogger bosscauser June 04, 2017 11:26 AM  

Not to worry. The elites are safe...

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2017 11:27 AM  

Jeff Wood wrote:Paid off if possible, at bayonet point if necessary.

If we deport them to Mogadishu, and tell the locals they are rich, any who land alive won't remain alive for long. Or, we impale them on our borders, as decoration for The Wall. Meanwhile, those who self deport ahead of the bayonet get to choose their destination, and they won't cost us a dime.

Chris Mallory wrote:ISIS in the Middle East is no threat to the West unless we invite them in.

This is it in a nutshell. Fighting them over there does no good if we import them so they can fight us over here.

Blogger Matthew June 04, 2017 11:28 AM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:Meanwhile John Schindler's latest post is showing he's convinced of Trump Russia collusion.

Schindler is a manlet.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2017 11:34 AM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:Meanwhile John Schindler's latest post is showing he's convinced of Trump Russia collusion. I doubt Limbaugh will be having him on again anytime soon.

Mohammedans are a problem we have in common with the Slavs. I hope that Trump is colluding with the Russians to kill the mohammedans.

Anonymous Opus June 04, 2017 11:37 AM  

One is forced to conclude that Mrs May who spent six years in charge at the Home Office (persecuting aging middle-of-the-road entertainers for imaginary sexual crimes from forty years earlier as if they had been the Wild Men of Rock whilst ignoring the goings on in Rotherham) welcomes Islamic violence. Puzzled as to what our British value might be I am forced to conclude that it must be appeasement.

The (low I.Q.) Islamists - unlike the Irish who pointedly attacked the Royalty and Politicians in pursuit of their aims - seem in their quest for martyrdom incapable of any imaginative or tactical stroke. Violence for its own sake which made the Westminster Bridge Terrorist, who I knew - professionally, so well suited to his adopted religion of Islam, appears to be its raison d'etre.

I can only pray but without much hope that after her debacle of an un-necessary election that whether she prevails with the electorate or not that a coup by men in the Tory Party rid us of this haridan. Women should be kept out of Politics for I forsee that Mrs May will be going into a Kathy Griffin-style tear-fest as to why no man would save her from poll ignominy.

Have you noticed that as with the late Mrs Thatcher, Mrs May has but one tone of voice when speaking - strident and unnatural. Compare that with the natural versatility of a real man such as Donald Trump. Terrible that the only politician who seems to be saying intelligent things about the London bombing is the American President - sadly, I wish he were 'my President'.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 04, 2017 11:40 AM  

Rather than Trump declaring martial law and getting himself cucked out of office why not ask Congress to pass a law limiting the jurisdiction of the courts in matters of national security (and the law limiting jurisdiction)? Rather than challenging the courts directly Trump can argue that if the courts don't accept the law it is they who stand outside constitutional authority since the Constitution clearly grants Congress the authority to limit jurisdiction. Trump should also begin to explain that since judges have usurped the role of legislators they should be required to stand for election just as legislators are, as are judges in quite a few states. That would not solve all of our problems but it seems unlikely that an elected judiciary would have rammed gay marriage down our throats. Certainly with respect to the judiciary we have little to lose in the election of judges since they are consistently tools of the overlords, and given the demographic trends this can only get worse. OTOH an elected judiciary would be far more likely to cooperate with Heritage America's efforts to delay or reverse the demographic cucking of America.

Blogger yoghi.llama June 04, 2017 11:46 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Saint_Helena

"The island was uninhabited when discovered by the Portuguese in 1502. One of the most remote islands in the world, it was for centuries an important stopover for ships sailing to Europe from Asia and South Africa. Napoleon was imprisoned there in exile by the British, as were Dinuzulu kaCetshwayo (for leading a Zulu army against British rule) and more than 5,000 Boers taken prisoner during the Second Boer War."

The British won the Boer Wars unequivocally. Way hay, I guess sometimes internment works.

Blogger Rez Zircon June 04, 2017 11:53 AM  

This won't end until someone glasses Mecca.

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 11:58 AM  

@25 "All Islam does is to substitute the religious identity for the tribal identity."

And they substitute WESTERN-developed weapons that "we" stupidly sold/gave them for their own meagre weaponry that they could devise from their sandy hellholes!

(WHY did the God Emperor give yet-MORE of our Western weapons to yet MORE Arabs?! Have y'all read that the Sauds are actually JEWS in origin/by founding? Can that be true? It would explain their 'closeness' to Israel?)

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 12:08 PM  

@36 "If they wanted to suppress terrorism you don't need a web of cctv cameras, complete internet penetration, and totalitarian rules, you need focused intelligence on potential agent provocateurs, proactive policing of terrorist candidates, and proactive deportation policies. Focused measures, a few million pounds and a thousands of man hours around a handful of individuals, not wasting billions of dollars and millions of man hours on everyone, 99.9% of whom are the people you are ostensibly trying to protect... unless they are the real target all along."

No. You need killing. LOTS and LOTS of killing!

When herds of vermin move into your house, you do NOT set up "focused intelligence on potential agent provocateurs, proactive policing of terrorist candidates, and proactive deportation policies." You SET OUT POISON! You whack them with a shovel whenever you see them and cut their heads off! (Ha!: fitting, eh?) and you strengthen your "walls" -- you know, your borders -- to KEEP THEM OUT! When enough of them see their kind lying dead they LEAVE the house on their own -- or you keep killing.

So sweet, so kind, so gentle... "let's treat them with kid gloves to to figure out who is bad and who isn't." What -- and leave the not-yet-bad ones in your house to breed and spread contagion?!) They MUST go back. All of them, no exceptions!

If you stupidly married one, or made children with one of them, then you decide: "I'm going with them back to the country they fled because they didn't like it -- or they go and I stay." But NOT your half-breed children! THEY must go back too.

Harsh? Yes-- but not as harsh as the destruction of our race, our people, our nations, our future for White children!

Anonymous Grayman June 04, 2017 12:11 PM  

In relation to VDs little extra periscope....

leftist/globalist fear HATE because once the "Saxon" begins to hate as a group, its not just the Muslims that get slaughtered, but the government and globalist/leftists.
Whether they like it or not the governments and globalist have tied their fate to that of the muslims. If one falls the other dies as well. THAT is why this ends in only way... revolution. The streets will rum red with the blood of one group or another. As a betting man I'd say the Muslims and globalist have vastly underestimated thr cold efficent brutality that they will fall to once the saxon truly begin to gate. And that day rapidly approaches, every bombing, stabbing etc simply accelerates the process.

Anonymous Grayman June 04, 2017 12:18 PM  

Avalanche

From a purely logical, pragmatic perspective, a sudden and extensive slaughter of invadrrs, man, woman, child is ultimately the most humane route.
Voluntary deportation is not possible and only foments mass gurilla warfare with terrible costs to the nation. A "nonviolent" forced deportation also triggers guerilla warfare and escalates the intensity of it.
It's unfortunate but "we", collectively have brought this on ourselves by allowing the vermin in.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 04, 2017 12:32 PM  

Reading PM Cuck's remarks I was struck by the emphasis on shutting down "safe spaces" online. She proposes that the oligarchs and government set out to destroy such spaces. This from a government that imprisons whites for free speech yet punishes immigrants only for violence. I would be worried if I were living in Britain. PM Cuck intends to hunt you down on the Internet, and she's going to let Faceberg and Google serve you up to a kangaroo court on "hate speech" or anti-terrorism charges. What are the odds that PM Cuck imprisons more alt-right/patriots than jihadists?

Anonymous David June 04, 2017 12:35 PM  

How can you tell a peaceful muslim from a violent one? As a non muslim how would one know the difference? Twitter hasn't provided a testable distinction which leads one to the opinion that there needs to be a travel ban and very strict and conspicuous police presence and surveillance in these communities.

Anonymous Panzer Man June 04, 2017 12:38 PM  

Measures could be taken that would start a stampede for the Chunnel. It would just take a bit of the old Vlad Tepes spirit, and a start in the north to get them heading south...

OpenID phenixrising16 June 04, 2017 12:44 PM  

They'd better start Minding the Gap between Civilization and Barbarism.

Anonymous Grayman June 04, 2017 12:46 PM  

Panzer man
That would be nice but not that simple. There is no where for them to go even if they wanted to self deport. And anywhere that quantity of people goes to they will destabilize.
This is a death match plain and simple. There is no "safe space" for either group to run to.

Also consider the 3rd world nations are toast once the debt bubble bursts and food/medical aid from the west stops. This just puts more pressure on for invaders to flow into europe.

Blogger Rabbi B June 04, 2017 12:49 PM  

@37 Joe Blowe

Islam is not the problem, per say.

Per say...please spare us all the veiled apology for Islam. This is a religion, so-called, practiced by wild asses of men as is demonstrable every time pedestrians are mowed down, children are blown to bits, offending throats are cut, women are raped, and cities are trashed and looted.

As one commenter rightly observed, Islam can only expand by force and it is not capable of leveraging any real military force against us. Instead it expands by intimidation, by conformity, by deception, and by the political correctness we see exhibited every time something like this happens.

Christianity is not the problem. Judaism is not the problem. Hinduism is not the problem. Shintoism is not the problem.

Islam is just a manifestation of the the primitive nature of the Arab.

In other words, Vox is right, Islam is the problem.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 12:54 PM  

There are more and less tolerable versions of Islam. On their own turf, the Ibadis (mostly Oman) are pretty much live and let live. You want a drink? That's between you and Allah. You're a Christian? How grand, cousin; Christ is among our greatest prophets! They're arguably the oldest _and_ the most conservative of Moslems, even while being the most tolerant. Seriously, they're very decent folks.

The age, conservatism, and tolerance, matched against the insanity of most Islamic sects, suggests that Islam took a seriously wrong turn somewhere. It also suggests that these, at least, could live among us without trouble.

I've toyed with the idea, as suggested by a Brit friend of mine, that all the Sunni and Shia clerics (oh, and Sufis, who have also been radicalized) need to be deported and their place taken up by Ibadis, specifically imported to preach the notion of live and let live.

It's tempting, but it won't work. The position of women, in the west, along with their sexual freedom, would radicalize even the meekest and most tolerant of Ibadis, too. (That's the root cause - well, one of two - for the current war.)

And before we place all the blame on them, let's be honest, here: The west _is_ decadent. It _is_ rotten to the core, or, at least, at the core. The same things that have radicalized and would continue to radicalize them should have radicalized us a long time ago.

It is, in a way, a terrible pity that we cannot get more use out of the Moslems, because a great many things that radicalize them and that they would like to see ended are also things we should be happy to see the last of, ourselves. They could have, in better circumstances, been useful tools to that end.

Unfortunately, that's just not possible anymore, if, indeed, it ever was.

Blogger Achilles June 04, 2017 12:55 PM  

Muslims kill Americans. The American government clamps down on Americans. Muslims kill Brits. Britain clamps down on the British. The government will solve nothing. It is an enemy force. And killing people is a very effective political tactic. Strong horse and whatnot.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 04, 2017 12:56 PM  

The age, conservatism, and tolerance, matched against the insanity of most Islamic sects, suggests that Islam took a seriously wrong turn somewhere. It also suggests that these, at least, could live among us without trouble.

Do you think the victory of the Saud over the Hashemite for control of Mecca was a factor?

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:00 PM  

Not to the Ibadis, no; they're on the other side of the peninsula. And the taking of Mecca, for the tourist profits from the Hajj, was pretty small change compared to the oil money.

But the gravimen of my post was that the problem is that no version of Islam worthy of the name can, placed among us, avoid radicalization. The short version is that, in good part, they've gotten worse because WE have gotten worse, and we have gotten worse in ways bad even for us.

Anonymous Publilius Syrus June 04, 2017 1:06 PM  

@ Eric Steiger

What Would Vlad Do?

http://imgur.com/a/2PxLZ

Anonymous BBGKB June 04, 2017 1:12 PM  

Islam makes 70IQ 3rdworlders more stabby and explody, Christianity gives them a chance to act nice enough white people might dig wells for them.

Blogger William Meisheid June 04, 2017 1:12 PM  

@97 There are more and less tolerable versions of Islam.

And they need to stay where they are, in their own, Islam dominated countries, not here. Islam is 100% incompatible with our democratic republican form of government.

The serious mistake would be allowing "tolerable versions of Islam" to continue to infect our culture since there is no guarantee the children of the tolerables will be tolerant, or that they themselves will not undergo a conversion to a less tolerable form. I would argue it is a given.

THEY MUST ALL GO BACK TO THEIR OWN LANDS...

Blogger Roger G2 June 04, 2017 1:13 PM  

Very good post.
I would add the tactic of letting the entire moslem world's population know that we know who they are, where they live, where they've traveled, and who's related to whom. If we let a guy know that we will torture/kill his entire family within minutes of his "martyrdom" he just might reconsider what he's about to do.
As for the rest, they should make arrangements to travel back to their homelands lest they get caught up in Reconqista 2.0.
Yes, I know this tough talk is only talk. But there has scarcely been another group of western leaders in high office at the same time who've been bold enough to implement sweeping changes to our ridiculous failed policies. The window won't stay open very long.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:16 PM  

@103
William, I have a strong suspicion that you stopped reading my post as soon as you found something you thought you could object to. I suggest reading all of it

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:17 PM  

Oh, and engaging brain before mouth or fingertips.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 04, 2017 1:18 PM  

there is not the political will for martial law and deportation

There is never the political will to do something. Until there is. Then there isn't the will to stop it.

Action creates will. Positive movement towards success creates will. "Will" is like muscle, using it robustly causes more to grow.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:22 PM  

@107

Yes, and this is something the ever-so-caring-and-sensitive left simply cannot wrap its collective little pea brain around; as some point in the time the provocations lead to gas chambers and ovens and they, the idiot left, will bear full responsibility for it for not fixing the problem when it could have been fixed by less vicious methods.

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing June 04, 2017 1:36 PM  

"the problem is Islam. Period."

This is (part of) why I love #orcposting The problem isn't radical orcs, the problem is orcs.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 04, 2017 1:37 PM  

This is (part of) why I love #orcposting The problem isn't radical orcs, the problem is orcs.

Some, I assume, are good people...

Anonymous Jack Amok June 04, 2017 1:38 PM  

The question, Colonel, is why would we need to import Ibadis? By the time we're ready for that, there won't be anyone left for them to preach to.

Except us, which as you note, is needed. But we can find our own preachers, better for our society.

But I do think we are making use Moslems and their radicalization. Their attitudes towards women are slowly forcing our feminists to declare not just in favor of enemies of our tribe, but in favor of enemies of women in general. Also, the repeated incompetence of female leaders like May and Merkel to deal with violence is slowly percolating into consciousness.

I suspect that's not exactly what you meant, but I think it addresses a root cause of the things that "should have radicalized us a long time ago", namely feminism.

very few ills in our society wouldn't get significantly better if screechy harridans lost their influence.

Blogger jandolin June 04, 2017 1:42 PM  

Will the leftist media revisit the Libya military intervention with Lord Owen?

We have proved in Libya that intervention can still work
The toppling of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi shows that despite greater constraints, the West can still do good.

By David Owen

During the darkest moments of Nato’s campaign in Libya, it was suggested that its sluggish progress represented the death knell for the doctrine of humanitarian intervention – that a West chastened by its experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan and enfeebled by debt lacked the money, the morale and the military resources to take action against those who broke international law. Now that the rebels have swept into Tripoli, the opposite argument is being made – that their success represents a vindication of the Nato strategy, and provides a template for the toppling of despots in Syria and elsewhere.
The truth, however, is that Libya is not a successor to Kosovo or Sierra Leone. Instead, it is the prototype for a new kind of intervention, one that reflects the very different world that we find ourselves in today.
From the start, the campaign faced a wall of scepticism from military and diplomatic experts. Yet it was sustained by a number of important features: first, it was entirely legal, authorised by the UN through the Security Council, and second, it resonated with those ashamed by our inertia over Rwanda and Srebrenica. There was also admirable unity between the political parties: while public opinion was divided, David Cameron and William Hague were supported at every stage by Ed Miliband and Douglas Alexander.
One thing that worried many advocates of intervention was the attitude of America. From the start, the US adopted the position that it would not run the military operation: it was ready to play a role, but others in Europe had to take the lead.
Fortunately, France and Britain were ready to live up to their responsibilities as permanent members of the Security Council. Yet they still relied on American assistance: the first few days of the campaign were dominated by US forces taking out Gaddafi’s ground-to-air missiles and sophisticated aircraft. This was done predominantly by more than 100 Tomahawk cruise missiles. No one in Europe should pretend that this military venture could have even been contemplated had we not had this initial use of sophisticated American weaponry, much of which does not even exist in European arsenals, let alone in such quantities.
tributed. Yet Germany, the most powerful country in Europe, was opposed to intervention, and refused to become involved. Poland was not ready to engage. Turkey and Spain refused to fly attack missions. What was even worse for Nato’s self-esteem, however, was its demonstrable incapacity. Robert Gates, the outgoing US defence secretary, did not mince his words when he said in his farewell speech in Brussels in early June: “The mightiest military alliance in history is only 11 weeks into an operation against a poorly armed regime in a sparsely populated country – yet many allies are beginning to run short of munitions.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8717986/We-have-proved-in-Libya-that-intervention-can-still-work.html

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:44 PM  

I am pretty sure I said it wouldn't do any good.

Yes, feminism was part of it, but it's a whole system of systems, syndrome of syndromes, synonymous with collapse.

The really big mistake wasn't the vote, Jack; the really BIG mistake was shoes.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 04, 2017 1:46 PM  

Vox is completely correct on all five points.
I support that view, stick and stem and root.

PM May says "Enough is enough."
Now lets see if she means it.
The gloves have to come off now.
This is no longer a sport.
Put a club in the hands of an Irishman.
Time to smite the wicked.

Blogger Nick S June 04, 2017 1:48 PM  

President Trump need to order his administration to clearly disambiguate and very publically delineate those undisputed aspects of Islamic fundamentalism that are clearly antithetical to the sustainability of our constitution and include those subscribers to it in a permanent immigration ban.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:49 PM  

Libya - crude for Italian refineries or not - was strategic imbecility. There was a case for it, but that case was the call for revenge from our blood spilled at Qaddafi's orders. Pragmatically, he'd resigned himself to being our satellite and doing out bidding; we had no need or use in getting rid of him. (By the way, his death and the hours preceding it were _most_ unenviable.)

Blogger Mama Pepe June 04, 2017 1:51 PM  

do you ever get tired of being right, Vox?

wrote this song back in March off of your "they have to go back" meme.

https://youtu.be/hzGQn1y0r0Y

Blogger Nick S June 04, 2017 1:51 PM  

Oh, and officially designate those subscribers Enemy Combatants.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 1:51 PM  

Nick, the number of us who can read Arabic sufficiently well even to guess at who might fall into the category is very small, and overstrained. But, for most of them, there is no evidence to be had. That's why a blanket ban and only a blanket ban can have a chance.

As for the ones within the US...Sippenhaft.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 04, 2017 1:52 PM  

Terrorists aren't even required anymore

Can anyone argue with a straight face that they aren't winning handily right now?

Blogger William Meisheid June 04, 2017 1:53 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:@103 William, I have a strong suspicion that you stopped reading my post as soon as you found something you thought you could object to. I suggest reading all of it

I did read all of it. Islam never took a "wrong" turn. Actually, the current "extremists" are accurate representatives of true historical Islam, not the so-called moderates who are the aberration. I have been following this situation for over 35 years and I stand behind what I said and will add that "moderate Islam" is apostate Islam and does not follow their prophet and any group of apostates can "get religion" and take up the banner of jihad at any time.

Anonymous BBGKB June 04, 2017 1:57 PM  

Nick, the number of us who can read Arabic sufficiently well even to guess at who might fall into the category is very small, and overstrained.

Syria was one of the most advanced moslem nations and 2/3 of its population were illiterate. The imam is about the only one in a mosque with a chance at understanding the koran.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 04, 2017 1:59 PM  

Send Britain's Muslims to Germany. Angela Merkel will take 'em.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 2:03 PM  

Ah, then I _strongly_ recommend some remedial reading comprehension lessons.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 04, 2017 2:03 PM  

@92 David
"How can you tell a peaceful muslim from a violent one?"

It is actually very simple, David.
The peaceful Muslims are DEAD Muslims.
This society may not like that distinction today, but in a few more outrages and murders, they will absolutely agree.
The live Muslims can save their own oily hide by getting on a plane or boat or train and returning to their own country...or some other country where they might be safe. I really do not give a hoot where they go as long as they go and they are no longer in my country. That is the only choice I would leave them.....eternal peace or exit. No exceptions. No maybes. No nonsense. Leave and live or stay here and die. Either way is equally acceptable.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 04, 2017 2:04 PM  

and this is something the ever-so-caring-and-sensitive left simply cannot wrap its collective little pea brain around

Odd though, from their actions it's clear they understand how this works. SJW convergence of an organization is nothing but the gradual (at first, sudden later) grinding of the will - > power -> will -> power cycle.

What they can't seem to wrap their pea brains around is response. They don't recognize that other people have agency too. Perhaps in fact more then the leftists themselves.

Anonymous gxg June 04, 2017 2:04 PM  

Send Britain's Muslims to Germany. Angela Merkel will take 'em.

Or better yet, send Merkel (and all who support her) to live in the Middle East. And they can take their pets with them.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 2:05 PM  

@122

Close enough. There are better and worse areas, more and less literate populations, but, yes, on the whole the only one who will know the Quran (he may not understand it for beans, mind you) will be the local Imam.

Blogger VD June 04, 2017 2:06 PM  

do you ever get tired of being right, Vox?

I usually am. It's very tiresome to observe the obvious, have people tell me for years that I am wrong, stupid, and evil, then have them grudgingly admit that, okay, maybe I had a point after all.

If you ever want to know what being highly intelligent is like, have half the people you know tell you that you're wrong every time they see you for three or four years, then tell you, once, that maybe you're right after all.

Repeat for the next forty years.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 2:07 PM  

@126

Correct, Jack; we are mere stage props or cardboard cut-out villains, morally without significance, in the plays they write in their heads for themselves to star in.

Blogger Nick S June 04, 2017 2:08 PM  

Nick, the number of us who can read Arabic sufficiently well even to guess at who might fall into the category is very small, and overstrained.

Yeah, but it would drive the left insane and narrow the focus of the conversation to where it really needs to be.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 2:09 PM  

@129

Actually, it's not the being right thing that matters (and I've been putting up with it ten years longer than you have), it's being willing to cast off and abandon a stance once you see it is false or fraudulent.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 2:10 PM  

@131

Driving the left insane is a very short journey, indeed. And fun; why, yes, it is. But the solution to the problem at issue still needs, unusually enough, to be made with a cookie cutter. A big cookie cutter.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 04, 2017 2:21 PM  

@112 - What "good" was achieved? The creation of another destabilized shithole that provides a ripe training ground for more mad bombers? Many of the dirty horde that have been invading Italy and southern Europe previous had been held up in Libya by Qaddafi.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 04, 2017 2:29 PM  

Tom Kratman, since we have you here, how much was malice and how much was stupidity regarding Libya?

What do you see about our society that would radicalize any Muslim?

Blogger Eric Steiger June 04, 2017 2:32 PM  

@101
Exactly. Or at least it would be a good start.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 2:36 PM  

@135

The really big thing is the position of women, Brick. They don't mind so much if our females are tramps, but trampishness is infectious, and their females - their young females - pick it up. And that is completely intolerable to them.

Malice implies the call of justice in this case. I don't think we had any sense of justice going against poor old Muammar; hence it was all strategic imbecility.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 04, 2017 3:00 PM  

100. Tom Kratman
You despise unreconstucted Confederates, but shill for sand niggers.
Big damn surprise.

Anonymous BBGKB June 04, 2017 3:05 PM  

it's being willing to cast off and abandon a stance once you see it is false or fraudulent.

I doubt a significant amount of PULSE survivors has openly changed their stance on importing 3rd worlders

justice going against poor old Muammar; hence it was all strategic imbecility.

Muammar was blocking the flow of 3rd world refuse from getting to the EU. He was also squatting on land claimed by Greater Israel. The only way our foreign policy makes sense is if we are destroying & depopulating the area around Israel for its expansion.

Driving the left insane is a very short journey, indeed. And fun;

I wore my WHITE LIVES MATTER tshirt to an outdoor art festival, but Portland's kid screwing mayor banned the FREE SPEECH rally this saterday leaving the EQUALISM pushing rally for this Sunday, how do you think he will react when people enter shitlibs safe spaces???

Blogger Ransom Smith June 04, 2017 3:06 PM  

The west _is_ decadent. It _is_ rotten to the core, or, at least, at the core.

@Tom Kratman

The full extent of which isn't always apparent on the service. Only recently did it Dawn on me.

And now I have the wife totally convinced we need to live in a rural community. Engage in little entertainment as possible. And if we have daughters, marry them off.

I'd do anything to help any sons I one day have avoid the kwa life.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 04, 2017 3:11 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:and they, the idiot left, will bear full responsibility for it for not fixing the problem when it could have been fixed by less vicious methods.

And they will never, ever admit it. And so it will go on, forever. Or thereabouts. Circle of life, or something like that. :-)

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 3:27 PM  

@90 "From a purely logical, pragmatic perspective, a sudden and extensive slaughter of invaders, man, woman, child is ultimately the most humane route."

Cool. I'm good with that. When can we start?

Anonymous oneofthecrowd June 04, 2017 3:28 PM  

"Pluralistic values"

"My name is legion"

Anonymous Avalanche June 04, 2017 3:33 PM  

@102 "Christianity gives them a chance to act nice enough white people might dig wells for them."

Nah, we gotta quit that too. It only lets them breed more than they can carry. (Well, until the well breaks and they can't fix it.) There needs to be a return to the massively high death rate across Africa that is NATURAL to them (or massive inflicted/enforced birth control). (Or, the Chinese will take care of it for them...)

Blogger seeingsights June 04, 2017 3:45 PM  

Concerning the declaration of martial law: in the event of a sophisticated terrorist attack in a city, such as from a dirty bomb or from a biological weapon killing at least hundreds, I can easily see martial law being declared in that area. And the god-emperor should seize the opportunity to declare martial law if doing so would be acceptable to the rest of the country.

Blogger Eric Slate June 04, 2017 4:02 PM  

What Theresa May has just said is that a nation cannot both have Islamic immigration and a free, open internet. If that is the case, why is Islamic immigration preferable to a free and open internet?

Blogger William Meisheid June 04, 2017 4:05 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Ah, then I _strongly_ recommend some remedial reading comprehension lessons.

So, rather than deal with a single point I brought up you go to an ad hominem attack. So be it. That said, your weak qualifier at the end, "Unfortunately, that's just not possible anymore, if, indeed, it ever was" doesn't deal with the incorrect assessments up to that point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I will say again, everything called moderate Islam is really apostate Islam and there is no way to stop anyone adhering to Islam from having a revelation and embracing true Islam, the Prophet's Islam that says all that is not Islam is either to be killed or enslaved.

There is no getting around this. It is the root and branch of Islam from now to forever.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 04, 2017 4:07 PM  

@145 seeingsights
You do understand that martial law is rule by the military, even if only "temporarily"?

I share your frustration with out of control Federal judges, but I am not convinced that military courts will be much of an improvement.

Miss Lindsey Graham was a military judge in the US Air Force and he is certainly not reliable.

Blogger Salt June 04, 2017 4:11 PM  

How to handle Muslims. Do this, do that, be tolerant, not all Muslims are alike. They're peaceful. Screw all that. I want to see Mecca glow in the dark, then proceed from there.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 04, 2017 4:27 PM  

" I've toyed with the idea, as suggested by a Brit friend of mine, that all the Sunni and Shia clerics (oh, and Sufis, who have also been radicalized) need to be deported and their place taken up by Ibadis, specifically imported to preach the notion of live and let live."
You ever talked about this with someone, say from Mississippi ? Screw 'em all, Kratman. We got more goat- sexers than we need right now, your replacement nonsense is just stupid lawyer-speak, which you excel at. Stick to writing fiction, knucklehead.

Blogger Nick S June 04, 2017 4:27 PM  

But the solution to the problem at issue still needs, unusually enough, to be made with a cookie cutter. A big cookie cutter.

That's exactly right and my suggestion, if implemented correctly, would point out that ALL of Islam, as parsed by ALL leading Muslim scholars and institutions, is intrinsically antithetical to the sustainability of our constitution. That's a pretty big cookie cutter. Everyone who has investigated the issue know it's true; politicians have just been afraid to say it...so far.

Blogger Madame Ringading June 04, 2017 4:52 PM  

@146

The internet is just one facet. I'd say "free and open communications" in general is anathema to them. One of these harridans - I think it was an Australian "human rights" commissioner - say "regretfully" that people still had the freedom to say whatever they wanted around the kitchen table at home.

Hmmm... what do you think "smart TVs" and all those things hooked into the "internet of things" will be recording?"

Blogger RobertT June 04, 2017 4:52 PM  

'pluralistic British values' are superior

Calculated to drive moderates into the radical corner. May isn't bright enough to lead the British nation. I'm sure you will be able to say the same thing about her successor. It is going to take a hell of a lot more than Brexit to save the British.

Blogger Gospace June 04, 2017 5:19 PM  

It's MARTIAL law not marshal law. Get it right.

Blogger TM Lutas June 04, 2017 5:20 PM  

Objectively, Islam exploded out of its original stomping grounds and swept through surrounding civilizations like a hot knife through butter. After awhile, they met harder and harder resistance, then they stalled, then they got rolled back, and only when we didn't want to bother holding them down as colonies did they get their independence back.

You can't look at that civilizational narrative and not say that they took a turn for the worse, even by their own lights.

The failure of mainstream, modern Islam, is ultimately the failure to integrate modernity and to live in the modern world as a sustainable, viable civilization. In desperation they'll try anything at that point including Al Queda and ISIS. No matter how well we stomp out Al Queda and ISIS and all their progeny and competitors, until the underlying crisis of Islam entire, which continues to fail to handle modernity, is solved, we will be in danger of new radicals and new desperate measures.

Anonymous Nibiru June 04, 2017 5:31 PM  

Drove across ND this past week. In both Dickinson and Mandan I found muzzies working in Walmart (not skinnies). Makes one wonder.

Blogger weka June 04, 2017 5:32 PM  

VD, Katie Hopkins says internment. Expect May to do something fast or be replaced straight after she almost loses the election.

And not by a globalist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570622/You-right-Theresa-like-this.html

Anonymous glosoli June 04, 2017 5:48 PM  

No bodies. Police causing the fear and panic, nothing else.
I'll bet no one will ever see a body.
Police state lies dead ahead, internet shut down.
They know the financial collapse lies ahead, it can't be handled without a police state.
Fakedy fake fake.

Blogger James Dixon June 04, 2017 5:53 PM  

> There is no where for them to go even if they wanted to self deport.

Google says: "According to the Pew Research Center in 2010, there were 50 Muslim-majority countries."

I don't see the problem.

Anonymous Grayman June 04, 2017 6:12 PM  

@159 james

@159 james

Being practical... no nation will accept the invading horde. I'm saying give them fair warning to leave or else.... But, they won't and can't for the most part, which means the west kills them all or they conquer the west. The women and children have to be dealt with too or they just breed and raise the next generation of invader guerillas.

Anonymous Nibiru June 04, 2017 6:20 PM  

@43/101. He would do what Mini Thin does in his vid `Meth labs and Moonshine`. @150. As someone from MS, STFU. At least the Kratken offers a stop-gap measure for the short term.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 04, 2017 6:39 PM  

161. Nibiru
I was born and live in MS, Ubangi. You a muzzie ? Get the hell out of my state,NOW.
Kratman ain't offered up nothin' but an idiotic thought experiment.

Anonymous Laz June 04, 2017 7:01 PM  

"If you ever want to know what being highly intelligent is like, have half the people you know tell you that you're wrong every time they see you for three or four years, then tell you, once, that maybe you're right after all.

Repeat for the next forty years."

If that's the only criteria then I'm an F'ing genius. I got tired of telling people I told you so a long time ago.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2017 7:12 PM  

"Being practical... no nation will accept the invading horde. I'm saying give them fair warning to leave or else.... But, they won't and can't for the most part, which means the west kills them all..."

So what? It's their problem, not ours. They can leave on their own, or we will deal with them in manners WE find expedient.

Impalement all around the Beltway as a warning for the politicians and SES, soil amendments, dumping them live in countries we want to destabilize ... we'll do what's best for us.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:15 PM  

Ah, Remus, the sun rises and sets; the seasons come and go, but your blinding idiocy remains forever unchanged and unchangeable.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2017 7:16 PM  

Kratman, I think Nick S and jOHN MOSBY have the right idea on this: even if we might be able to imagine a subset of mohammadens who could be civilized, they must not be allowed to be civilized here. They all simply have to go back.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:19 PM  

@147

Not exactly, William; you've simply missed the gravimen of my post, suggesting you either cannot or will not understand. Let me give you a small clue. You made the claim that Islam has always been like that. I don't know how you can make the claim, when I've given evidence, to wit that the Ibadis are a) the oldest form extant, and b) pretty live and let live, without some additional evidence to back up your claim. The existence of the Ibadis, and their whole world view, refutes it, you see.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:21 PM  

@150

Pretty sure that, at one time or another, I have discussed this with someone from Mississippi, Remus. Unlike you, though, they'd have been actual human beings, not teeny-brained monkeys in hairless pink suits.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:23 PM  

By the way, Remus, even when you're right - rare though that is - and you are right about needing to deport the lot, your presentation is so brain-bustingly idiotic that your point is lost.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:25 PM  

@151

Basically, yes, Nick. We - Islam and the West - are just antithetical to each other and, being together, we do neither of us any good and both of us considerably harm.

Blogger Skyler the Weird June 04, 2017 7:25 PM  

OT Tried to connect to Vox Populi at the Hilton by UNC-C and found it blocked by the filter.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2017 7:28 PM  

Grayman wrote:Being practical... no nation will accept the invading horde. I'm saying give them fair warning to leave or else.... But, they won't and can't for the most part, which means the west kills them all ...

You say that last as if it were a bad thing. It's not bad, it's how wars are won. They have no place to go? That's _their_ problem, not ours.

There are endless options for dealing with the mohammedan invaders. We could impale enough of them to circle the Beltway, to warn politicians and the Senior Executive Service. We could use them as soil amendments, dump them live in countries we want to destabilize ... whatever _we_ find most expedient.

If we start the impalements with terrorists and their imams, and start the destabilizing dumpings with the others who attended the terrorists' mosques, we would see most of the mohammedan invaders sort themselves out at their own expense.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 04, 2017 7:31 PM  

No, I get down to the nut-cuttin', and you fart around in lawyerland. Please spare us the talkin' out of both sides of your mouth,Tootsie. All muzzies gotta go, no ifs, ands or buts.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2017 7:32 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:You made the claim that Islam has always been like that. I don't know how you can make the claim, when I've given evidence, to wit that the Ibadis are a) the oldest form extant, and b) pretty live and let live, ...

So, an ancient mohammedan sect has gone apostate. ``Pope'' Francis is evidence that ancient sects can, over time, leave the true faith.

Anonymous Joe Blowe June 04, 2017 7:50 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:

Christianity is not the problem. Judaism is not the problem. Hinduism is not the problem. Shintoism is not the problem.


The Underman is the problem. Africans-in-America and Mexicans cause far, far more murder, mayhem, and chaos in the USA than the Muhammadan and they are not driven by any ephemeral Bronze Age ethos. They are driven by their biological nature. This is a more perilous situation because you can't change a person's or a people's nature despite "assimilation" or "education". Even if the Arabs were somehow forcibly converted to Christianity they still would have no place in the West and they shouldn't be trusted. We tried converting the Aztecs and Africans to Christianity and it still didn't turn them into Europeans.

They ALL have to go back.

Anonymous DirkH June 04, 2017 7:51 PM  

@97. Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 12:54 PM
"The age, conservatism, and tolerance, matched against the insanity of most Islamic sects, suggests that Islam took a seriously wrong turn somewhere."

I have this hunch that MIGHT have been when Mohammed had this Jewish tribes men and boys slaughtered, the women enslaved, and took one of them personally and raped her in his tent while his child bride Aisha watched. As Mohammed is the Perfect Man for all Muslims, MAYBE they told themselves, well, yeah, that's alright with me then.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:52 PM  

I think they've gone insane, OC. I strongly suspect that a resurrected Mohammad would have taken one look at tomatoes (presumptively female, by some idiotic, semi-educated imam's logic) segregated from (male) cucumbers and said, "I knew there would be heretical sects but this is way past what I imagined; off with their heads."

Islam was always violent, even from the beginning, but that beginning violence wasn't a lot, if at all, worse than anyone else's. They're worse now, though, even than they were then.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:57 PM  

Not really, Dirk. The Qurayza tribe broke faith with Mohammad, at a particularly bad time for them to have done so. He attacked and beat them, therefore, and killed the men. That's not especially uncommon for the day, not without reason, and not inexplicable. He enslaved the women and children. Ditto. It also doesn't have a lot to say against the Ibadis, and quite possibly early Islam, being fairly live and let live, since, again, there was a casus belli with the Qurayza.

I'm not sure where the flourish of Aisha watching comes from; have you a cite?

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 7:59 PM  

No, Remus; it's just that you're an idiot. QED.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 8:13 PM  

By the way, Dirk, that treatment is precisely that ordained in Deuteronomy 20:12-14.

Blogger Good Will June 04, 2017 8:21 PM  

Wow, Vox! Your analysis of the facts and proposed solutions are as apropos as they are refreshing! We are extraordinarily blessed to have your insights! I wish Trump would call you up and get YOUR take, first-hand, on what should be America's economic and social policies.

Blogger Good Will June 04, 2017 8:25 PM  

@19

"This has to be unequibbleable!"

A new word!

Anonymous DirkH June 04, 2017 9:00 PM  

@178. Tom Kratman June 04, 2017 8:13 PM
"By the way, Dirk, that treatment is precisely that ordained in Deuteronomy 20:12-14."

Another crazy ass desert religion. But thanks for pointing me to that.

Blogger Nick S June 04, 2017 9:37 PM  

People who are interested, can learn a lot of what's necessary to put everything you need to know about the demonically inspired ideology in perspective HERE. Tons of info, mostly from Ex-Muslims. There are plenty of authoritative Islamic resources, accepted by Muslims, available for anyone wanting confirm what they have to say. Still, there are many Muslims who are just as clueless about their own religion as there are Christians who are ignorant of their's.

Blogger wreckage June 05, 2017 4:50 AM  

@181, nevertheless, later prophets overturned that treatment, and even at the time, the prophets, priestly caste, etc, did not involve themselves.

This isn't as if a later-"clarified" (really overturned) ruling permitted it to the soldiers, it's as if Jesus Christ Himself did it. It can't be overturned, ever; Islam has been painted into a corner by Mohammed. Rape in war has always been and must always been not only approved, but the holiest action possible.

Every other religion can move on from desperate, desert, tribal war. Islam can not, ever, outgrow it.

Accident of history, whatever you call it, it is the reality: Moses didn't rape the women of his conquests, Jesus didn't, Zoroaster didn't, Mohammed did.

Many Muslims would like to reform away from that and keep their values and traditions. I sympathize; I understand entirely. But they can't, because Mohammed was the perfect man; perfect in holiness, the ideal for all and any age, just as Jesus was to the Christians. Take that away and the entire religion collapses.

It can't adapt. There are many faithful and moral Muslims who are now stuck with that; always will be.

Blogger William Meisheid June 05, 2017 7:31 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:@147
The existence of the Ibadis, and their whole world view, refutes it, you see.


Actually it doesn't refute me in any way or any more than the writings of the Gnostics have anything to say about true Christianity. The Ibadis have always been an isolated secretive sect, mostly centered in Oman and have primarily survived by its isolation.

Islam is Mohammad, his actions and preaching and the words of the Koran all of which predates the Ibadis, the Sunni, and the Shia. You have found a hook to hang your desired hat on, that is all. The Ibadis are no more true Islam than the Gnostics are true Christianity. The lies of the Devil take many forms, different baits to ensnare different tastes.

Your premise is false.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 05, 2017 7:44 AM  

Your logic is flawed.

They're isolated, yes, but not especially secretive. For the most part they're merely ignored because isolated. This, however, doesn't change that they're the oldest sect, the one closest to Muhammad in time and therefore have a very good claim to being closest to Muhammad in theology and law, hence a superb claim to being true Islam. They, themselves, wouldn't likely make the claim because, as mentioned, they're pretty live and let live.

Conversely, the Gnostics are a late-coming heretical sect, with no particular claim to being closer to Christ or truer to Christianity.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 05, 2017 8:01 AM  

@186

No, he didn't. It's not rape. Rape demands the legal ability and right to deny consent (or the inability to give it at all). With a slave there are no such rights, no right to say "no." Hence, as much as in traditional marriage, rape of a slave girl is a null concept; she has no right to deny. Moreover, if the women addressed in Deut. 20-12-14 are enslaved, and I see no other way to read it, then they, as much as Hagar, lost their right to refuse. (Interestingly, under Islam this includes "married" women, rather formerly married women. By virtue of enslavement they also lose their right to contract and, marriage being a contract, a continuing one, they are presumed divorced. That's my read on it, anyway. Any Islamic scholars about for a different take? It's easier in Deut. 20 as they're all widows.)

It's not because Mohammad was the perfect man. It's because the Quran (in which the speaker is, to more than 99% and possibly entirely, presumed to be God) is the perfect word of God, containing everything necessary and nothing superfluous. It cannot be overruled by mere mortals. If it is permitted there, is must always be permitted. If it is denied or forbidden then it must always be denied or forbidden. Only in areas not addressed or reasonably to be inferred does man have any right or power to legislate. This is why NO serious school of Islam has ever blanketly condemned slavery: God permits it; who are we to condemn? This is very different from Judaism and the Torah, in which God speaks rarely, gives few commandments, and leaves it up to man to do the heavy thinking. What man can do he can undo. What God does...no, that's right out.

You are quite right though about the faithful and pious Moslems. We may respect their piety. We cannot live together. Conversely, we can get along fairly well with impious, rotten, impure, wretched excuses for Moslems. They can be good neighbors and boon companions. But they are not good Moslems.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2017 9:13 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Conversely, we can get along fairly well with impious, rotten, impure, wretched excuses for Moslems. They can be good neighbors and boon companions. But they are not good Moslems.

True, while they stay impure and wretched excuses. What do we do when some personal crisis drives these impure, wretched excuses closer to Satan and the fundament of their satanic cult?

Becoming a better Christian makes one a better man. Becoming a better mohammedan makes one a rabid ass of a man.

Not even the impure, wretched excuses for mohammedans may be permitted to dwell among us, ever, for the same reason we cannot allow rattlesnakes to dwell in our beds. Not All Rattlers Are Like That. This one hasn't struck. Yet.

I think this is the same conclusion you have come to, but the way you present this conclusion leaves your reader wondering whether there are, perhaps, somewhere, some good, safe rattlersnakes.

The time for nuanced thought is 1,400 years past on this topic.

Blogger Bobo Bell June 05, 2017 9:56 AM  

It's easy to recruit when all they have to do is point out the elements the West has legitamatized. The Grande concert was no doubt selected because Moslems are taught musical instruments are evil and Grande herself was an affront to them. The venue was a sitting target for their agenda. Why the authorities could not grasp that is a mystery to me.

Blogger wreckage June 05, 2017 10:04 AM  

@189, you present an interesting argument on the legality.

Regarding Mohammed, from a less scholarly position, I freely admit, how can any action of Mohammed be considered less than holy, if to contradict the Prophet is to commit a crime equivalent to blasphemy?

Hence, while Christian morality, or even Judaic, can limit the right of the conquerer to the women of the conquered - which, in our culture and legality we consider rape - Islam cannot.

I agree totally with your point regarding Bad Muslims, and with the reply: the problem with Islam isn't Muslims, it's Islam itself. Mohammed's example, and the order of revelation, demands that the ideology of conquest and purity MUST overturn tolerance. Thus, any Muslim is just a revival away from taking that aspect of his faith seriously; a horrifying situation all round.

I sympathize. From a safe distance. One or two continents away should suffice.

Blogger William Meisheid June 05, 2017 11:01 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Your logic is flawed...Conversely, the Gnostics are a late-coming heretical sect, with no particular claim to being closer to Christ or truer to Christianity.

It is you who is using flawed logic, but then you just double down each time. The Gnostics were entrenched in certain Jewish circles in the 1st century and began trying to influence Christianity very early, gaining prominence in the 2nd century. They are a logical corollary. I could also use the Antinomians as an example.

You seem to hold out that through the Ibadis Islam could in some way be redeemed and give up its jihadist ways. We will have to disagree since I believe on the basis of Islamic self-definition surrounding the Prophet and the Koran that the Ibadis are Islamic heretics and some segment of Islam will always revert to its fundamental truth as expressed by the Prophet and kill or enslave anything not dar Islam. That is a given and is the root and branch of the Islamic faith.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 05, 2017 2:24 PM  

Sorry, but the "he's an SJW ploy" really doesn't work on me for beans, William.

You claimed to have read the whole thing. What part of "It's tempting but it won't work" confused you? The contraction of "It is" to It's," perchance? Or was it the "won't" that you read as "will"? Or did you read
"it's just not possible" as "oh, hell, it would be soooo easy"?

Now stop being a fool, go back, read my initial post - since you plainly did not or could not read it initially - and note carefully that I said "IT WON'T WORK" even with Ibadis.

And then shut the hell up, because you're plainly too goddamned stupid and integrity challenged to be entitled to an opinion.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 05, 2017 2:35 PM  

@190

"True, while they stay impure and wretched excuses. What do we do when some personal crisis drives these impure, wretched excuses closer to Satan and the fundament of their satanic cult?"

I don't think they're Satanic, actually - to many of them are fine folk as long as they're in their own culture - and would not be terribly surprised, post mortem, to discover that Islam is one of God's grand jokes.

Although William seems to think he has found one, you will search here in vain for any suggestion from me that we can get along, long term, here, or that they should be permitted to stay.

I think it's a mark of at least some intelligence to be able to present an entire case, analyze it objectively and dispassionately, not to mention economically, and come to a conclusion. What seems to have happened here is that some people are incapable of processing any approach more sophisticated than "muzzies must go" and assume, if one doesn't start off that way, that one feels very differently. I am sorry for them but, based on the unpleasant and fruitless interchange with William, above, it would seem to be beyond my meager powers to help.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 05, 2017 2:38 PM  

@192

Nah, you're too wrapped up in Mohammad's position as number one and greatest of Prophets. It wasn't that it was holy for him to have the slave girls; it was merely legal and morally unobjectionable. He is not the big thing; the Quran is the big thing. Don't look to him to figure the Moslems out; look to it.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 05, 2017 3:44 PM  

Outstanding work from our host

Nice to see some good old fashioned Old Testament Christianity

Back in the day when I was taught the faith, it was considered proper practice to read and understand the Old Testament before the New Testament since much of what we need to know about God, his nature and his commands to us was in the Old Testament and you can't properly follow Him without understanding it

A lot of pastors basically ignore The Old Testament for a lot of reasons, none of them good and IMO anyway its a huge part of why Christianity became Chruchianity

As I understand it, God sent his only begotten son to help us get into Heaven he didn't stop hating sin along the way

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 05, 2017 4:36 PM  

So muzzies don't consider the pedo "prophet" as the example of how they should live ?
That's not want their "holy book" and their hadiths tells them, Toots. Mahiomet made crap up on the fly and changed " revelation " when he needed or wanted to.
You suck at muzzie apologetics, which is what you are trying to pull off here Toots K. You going HOMELAND on us , bud ?
I swear , damn every one of you friggin'lawyers should be shot on sight.

Blogger William Meisheid June 05, 2017 5:42 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Sorry, but the "he's an SJW ploy" really doesn't work on me for beans, William.
You are assuming facts not in evidence. Many people double down on their arguments, especially those who don't address specifics in their counters. No ploy, just an observation. But then playing the SJW card is a great deflection.
You claimed to have read the whole thing. What part of "It's tempting but it won't work" confused you? The contraction of "It is" to It's," perchance? Or was it the "won't" that you read as "will"? Or did you read "it's just not possible" as "oh, hell, it would be soooo easy"?
I never said anything about importing Isbadis. I just said you appear to hold out the possibility that they might deradicalise Islam, to which I disagreed, noting isolation was the only reason they survived relatively intact to this point. I agree with you, if that is what you meant, that there is no hope for any form of Islam in the West. However, I disagree with you that the Isbadis represent true Islam in any way. They are apostate Islam.
"There are more and less tolerable versions of Islam...They could have, in better circumstances, been useful tools to that end"
That implies there are circumstances under which the "could have" might have become a reality. I disagree. There is no possibility under any circumstances for Islam to cease and desist its attempts at either killing or subjugating the world totally to Islam. Lack of resources might slow them down, but that pursuit is fundamental to Islam. Anything less is not Islam and leaves open the reversion to true Islam any time a follower "get's religion."
Unfortunately, that's just not possible anymore, if, indeed, it ever was.
It never was and it never will, and I can say that without extending any qualifiers on my part.
Now stop being a fool, go back, read my initial post - since you plainly did not or could not read it initially - and note carefully that I said "IT WON'T WORK" even with Ibadis.
You were never that direct, only saying that it won't work importing Ibadis into the West to replace current Islam. I say unequivocally that it doesn't really work anywhere because the root is always there and when the root is rotten it spoils all the fruit eventually. Islam will never become not Islam.
And then shut the hell up, because you're plainly too goddamned stupid and integrity challenged to be entitled to an opinion.
Aren't you the high and mighty all knowing dispenser of rhetorical justice. I read what you said and I understood it clearly. You hedged your statements, equivocated and then got on your throne of judgement and committed some serious offences that if you were a Christian you would be in dire need of repentance. I am neither stupid or a fool and I will leave it to Him who judges all things to separate the wheat from the chaff. You need to seriously chill out. No one appointed you god of the post.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 05, 2017 6:57 PM  

Sorry, William, but last words: You have demonstrated an essentially subhuman ability to understand. I'm done with you. You are stupid. You are a fool. And your misreading of what I wrote strongly suggests no reading, which is to say, you're integrity challenged, as well. Have a nice rest of your life, preferably somewhere with people just as dumb as you are. Ciao.

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