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Thursday, June 01, 2017

Immigration and taxation

Interesting to observe that immigration has not only harmed the USA by making it less wealthy by lowering per capita wages, but also by significantly increasing per capita taxes.
By 1965, the fiscal year Lyndon Johnson beat Barry Goldwater, the federal government collected about $116.817 billion in taxes from a population of about 194,302,963. That year federal taxes equaled about $601 per capita — or $4,578 in 2016 dollars.

In fiscal 2016, according to OMB, the federal government collected about $3.268 trillion in taxes. That equaled about $10,114 for each of the 323,127,513 people in the country.
There can no longer be any doubt that mass immigration is not only an economic negative for a nation, but is severely destructive in multiple senses.

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Blogger Student in Blue June 01, 2017 8:28 AM  

Perhaps this explains some of the "immigration brings 2 jobs for every 1 person" claptrap -- the 2 jobs were in the government sector. Which, of course, doesn't bode well for an economy.

Blogger Jack Ward June 01, 2017 8:33 AM  

No joke, this. Import millions of illegals, most of whom end up paying little or no taxes and hit the various welfare and entitlement funds and get something like this.
At least a properly implemented consumption tax [IE the Fair Tax plan] would see at least some return from all these freeloaders. Best they go back, of course. Used to be honorable Americans were loath to get any government assistance short of real hardship. Now? the 'They' flock into this country with larceny in mind. Add to that the 'They' already here legally that decide to milk the system and the truly productive have to shoulder the burdens. When it all collapses it will be worse than any apocalypse novel.

Blogger DeploraBard June 01, 2017 8:38 AM  

Any system that can be gamed will until it's collapse. We are currently a boulder high upon a hill held back by a tiny stressed stick.

Anonymous JamesD June 01, 2017 8:42 AM  

Vox,
Any update on the Reddit feature of infogalactic?

Anonymous Critically Bent June 01, 2017 8:49 AM  

I made goulash last night cause the wifey was sickly and couldn't cook. In the course of the meal, my eldest child asked if Hungary was a third world country or not.

My response was that yes it was, and all of the countries were going to be third world countries pretty soon.

The eldest asked if this was because of my "collapse" that I was predicting.

Nope, I said, it is because of immigration. Every first world country is being flooded with third worlders. Eventually, all the first world countries will simply become third world ones because the majorities of their populations will be third worlders.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 01, 2017 8:53 AM  

My question is; what is the real average per net taxpayer in 2016. Per-capita is counting all of the free loading immigrants that we know aren't paying appreciable, if any, taxes. We also know there are significantly more of them in the country than there were in 1965. I suspect the real numbers would be shocking. 1965's number probably rises 3-4% and 2016's number probably rises 15-20%.

Blogger Salt June 01, 2017 8:53 AM  

Those on the dole are the shareholding owners, the recipients of the dividends paid out by Corporate America from receipts garnered from taxpayers, er, customers.

Blogger RC June 01, 2017 8:54 AM  

I was recently going through my late father's effects, closing up his estate, and came across an application for title from 9/10/1968 for a new car. He paid state sales tax of 3% on the purchase. The same jurisdiction now pays almost 10%. Government is ever and always ravenous.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 01, 2017 9:02 AM  

Used to be honorable Americans were loath to get any government assistance short of real hardship.

Your "used to be" is more than fifty years in the past at this point.

Blogger JACIII June 01, 2017 9:25 AM  

Per the post: people weren't paying into the system so much fifty years ago. When half your income goes to the government no one is ashamed to take some back.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 01, 2017 9:30 AM  

Jim Braddock paid back his assistance during the Depression. Orville and Wilbur Wright invented the airplane. Norman Borlaug developed globalized agriculture. Emmanuel Cellar introduced the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Irish
English/German
Norwegian
Jew

One American among them: the childless Wright pair, each half a 50% shareholder in the promises of the US Constitution.

Anonymous Farcry5 looks like home to me June 01, 2017 9:34 AM  

Its easier if they all go back but its clear they aren't. Perhaps its time to start investing in Franklin Miller Inc. They should consider an IPO.
https://www.franklinmiller.com/product/taskmaster-tm4000/


On as separate note, I was torturing myself and listening to MSM last night. I was somewhat surprising how quickly the social mood is shifting. Hillary was getting ripped apart and the Dems werent even pretending to defend her. They are still very careful to try and maintain the R/D narrative. There were a few points where the were VERY careful about how the discussed things to avoid alt-right trains of thought.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 01, 2017 9:36 AM  

"U.S. Has Admitted 46,371 Refugees So Far in FY 2017; Up 19% in May" according to Drudge. That's the size of a small town. My city Eugene Oregon, is the second largest in the state of about 163K people. My elected leaders are my enemy!

Blogger Ransom Smith June 01, 2017 9:51 AM  

Norman Borlaug developed globalized agriculture

Borlaug should be vilified for what ultimately will turn out to be unsustainable population growth.

Blogger Dexter June 01, 2017 9:51 AM  

Let's not forget we are spending a ton more money on our domestic Dindus today relative to 1965. But they are well-behaved, well-educated, and content, so it's money well spent.

Anonymous BBGKB June 01, 2017 9:53 AM  

Not sure which is worse for france that Marcon decided to import the next PUSLE shooters from Chechnya or that you can legally gay marry a dead guy in France.
Legally marrying a dead guy? What did he do take his boyfriend to the taxidermist? I thought bestiality would come before necro. At least he can still vote http://www.towleroad.com/2017/05/etienne-cardiles-2/

Import millions of illegals, most of whom end up paying little or no taxes and hit the various welfare and entitlement funds

Many illegals fraudulently claim 20 kids for EITC and get a check from the govt bigger than most full time EMTs in the US make in a year after taxes, they usually move before affirmative action government workers investigate. Then add the costs of them using ambulances as free taxis.

Blogger praetorian June 01, 2017 10:16 AM  

Any system that can be gamed will until it's collapse. We are currently a boulder high upon a hill held back by a tiny stressed stick.

I get where you are coming from, but the fact is that north-western european folks can have relatively extensive welfare states. We are high trust, high contentiousness. This is why we can maintain all sorts of commons that other civilizations, even higher IQ civilizations, cannot. Even libertarianism, sans a frontier, is a commons-based system where the commons in question is the NAP. Ain't no one else got time for that.

And this is why mixing low trust, tribal folks into our societies in any measurable amount ruins everything, be they (((high IQ))) or <<>>.

Blogger wreckage June 01, 2017 10:17 AM  

"There were a few points where the were VERY careful about how the discussed things to avoid alt-right trains of thought."

Time for a victory chuckle. If they have to be careful to not say it, that means it's not only obvious, but even THEY are thinking it. They just don't have the balls to say it.

Blogger praetorian June 01, 2017 10:17 AM  

^^ the <<<>>> above should read {{{aloha snackbar}}}

Blogger wreckage June 01, 2017 10:18 AM  

"Many illegals fraudulently claim 20 kids for EITC and get a check from the govt bigger than most full time EMTs in the US make in a year after taxes"

It won't take many deportations to put the wind up 'em.

Anonymous Grayman June 01, 2017 10:19 AM  

@17 praetorian

Funny how we are having to relearn what was essentially common knowledge in the early 1900's

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 01, 2017 10:25 AM  

Let's not forget we are spending a ton more money on our domestic Dindus today relative to 1965. But they are well-behaved, well-educated, and content, so it's money well spent.

We also spend almost a third of the federal budget on retired white boomers and older.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 01, 2017 10:28 AM  

"Interesting to observe that immigration has not only harmed the USA by making it less wealthy by lowering per capita wages, but also by significantly increasing per capita taxes."

To the left, this is a feature, not some buggy unintended consequence.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 01, 2017 10:29 AM  

"Many illegals fraudulently claim 20 kids for EITC "

No they don't, not on one tax return. EIC tops out at 3 qualifying kids. Any more than that do not add to the payout. There is a sweet spot that can be hit to maximize payout, but that is income related. You have to report taxable income to get the EIC.

I used to see young Didndus claim to be self employed, usually baby sitting or hair care, and claim the sweet spot amount to get EIC. But they were still liable for FICA taxes that would come out of their EIC refund.

Blogger praetorian June 01, 2017 10:32 AM  

Grayman wrote:Funny how we are having to relearn what was essentially common knowledge in the early 1900's

Of course, I meant 'conscientiousness', not 'contentiousness'.

This is what happens when you earnest-post before coffee, kids.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 01, 2017 10:38 AM  

No they don't, not on one tax return. EIC tops out at 3 qualifying kids. Any more than that do not add to the payout. There is a sweet spot that can be hit to maximize payout, but that is income related. You have to report taxable income to get the EIC.

BGS is immune to your hetero normative facts

Blogger bosscauser June 01, 2017 10:57 AM  

Not a single third world peasant among them...
Ah the good old days!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger bosscauser June 01, 2017 10:59 AM  

Took long enough. Polls....
Look at them turning on Griffin...
Polls!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger bosscauser June 01, 2017 10:59 AM  

Unelected judges are your enemies!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Crew June 01, 2017 11:03 AM  

I read Battleship Indomitable over the weekend.

It strikes me that it contained an undercurrent of anti-Globalist views ...

Was a good read anyway!

Blogger Jack Ward June 01, 2017 11:04 AM  

@12
I became a bit sick to my stomach just looking at that thing.

Blogger Brad Richards June 01, 2017 11:22 AM  

Claiming that the increase in taxation in the past 50 years is solely (or even primarily) due to immigration? Come on, that's not even remotely credible.

The past 50 years have seen a lot of major societal changes. To name the two most obvious, consider the "Great Society" programs, and the "War on Drugs" with the corresponding massive imprisonment rates.

I'm sure immigration has played a role, but it is only one of many factors that have affected government finances and taxation rates over the past several decades.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 01, 2017 11:36 AM  

"14. Blogger Ransom Smith June 01, 2017 9:51 AM
Norman Borlaug developed globalized agriculture

Borlaug should be vilified for what ultimately will turn out to be unsustainable population growth.
"



You're assuming chemically-pumped tilled agriculture. Which IS unsustainable.

There are other ways to grow food. Ways that ARE sustainable AND just as productive as current industrial agriculture.

It's just that those other ways don't enrich our self-appointed financial and corporate masters.

Here's a video I got from David the Good, (thanks David).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPjoh9YJMk

That's Gabe Brown. During the winter months he travels wherever people want to hear how he runs his farm. He uses no-till farming, off season cover crops and intensive pasturing of livestock on the same acreage to grow as much or more than traditional chemically-pumped mono-crop tilled farming and he does it while spending less money and working less.

Blogger VD June 01, 2017 11:43 AM  

Claiming that the increase in taxation in the past 50 years is solely (or even primarily) due to immigration? Come on, that's not even remotely credible.

How do the 80 million+ immigrants and their children vote? For more government and more taxes or less?

Your position is moronic.

The past 50 years have seen a lot of major societal changes

Yes. And the primary reason is because the population has changed.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 01, 2017 11:45 AM  

There are other ways to grow food. Ways that ARE sustainable AND just as productive as current industrial agriculture.

Oh sure I won't argue that point. My comment is about Borlaug and dwarf wheat really. Which long term will kill more than it fed. Especially in India and Africa.

Anonymous Grayman June 01, 2017 11:54 AM  

@35. Ransom Smith

The diseases that arise from those death zones should be interesting, that is what could be the real threat to the west. New / strong variants of diseases pop up from the fields of human decay and our better tools, such as antibiotics have been largely rendered ineffective / minimally effective due to excessive casual use. We could also see a replay of the 1918 flue pandemic with that much death floating about.
A serious disease outbreak would certainly encourage nationalism and nation states slam their borders close to try and stave off infection. We could easily see most of the 3rd world wiped out in an outbreak just given their sanitation practices. of course all of that lovely diversity we have imported are going to exacerbate the impacts in the 1st world since they bring their lovely sanitation habits with them.

Blogger Joseph Gore Jr. June 01, 2017 12:04 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Let's not forget we are spending a ton more money on our domestic Dindus today relative to 1965. But they are well-behaved, well-educated, and content, so it's money well spent.

We also spend almost a third of the federal budget on retired white boomers and older.


Irrelevant. Those "retired white boomers and older" and their employers paid taxes for that all their working lives. Your comment is a deliberately misleading comparison.

Anonymous JamesD June 01, 2017 12:15 PM  

That's Gabe Brown. During the winter months he travels wherever people want to hear how he runs his farm. He uses no-till farming, off season cover crops and intensive pasturing of livestock on the same acreage to grow as much or more than traditional chemically-pumped mono-crop tilled farming
You will always need "chemically pumped". Livestock remove nitrogen, potassium, phosphate, and calcium. Crops the same. You can kind of do the nitrogen with legumes, but you still get better results adding some nitrogen. The other constituents comes from volcanoes.

Blogger Student in Blue June 01, 2017 12:22 PM  

Boomer alert.

Anonymous Cab Collins June 01, 2017 12:28 PM  

Maybe we ought to out source our government to Eastern Europe.

Anonymous roo_ster June 01, 2017 12:36 PM  

"Boomer alert."

Drop the depth charges already! (Says htis Gen-Xer.)

Anonymous BBGKB June 01, 2017 12:56 PM  

No they don't, not on one tax return...You have to report taxable income to get the EIC.

I am glad defrauding the government is not so easy that a didndueete could brag on facebook about being queen of the tax cheats by using patient information and having everyone's checks mailed to her home. I am glad you set me STR8, Oh wait.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2366931/Floridas-First-Lady-tax-refund-fraud-gets-21-years-prison-stealing-20-million.html

Anonymous FP June 01, 2017 1:33 PM  

@41

She should have donated to Johnny Corzine's campaign funds.

@8

CA sales tax was 6% in the 80s and now is 9-10%. Yet CA is bankrupt and filled with people who want to make California Mexico again.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 01, 2017 1:39 PM  

Those "retired white boomers and older" and their employers paid taxes for that all their working lives. Your comment is a deliberately misleading comparison.

The money any Boomers paid is long since depleted. At this point their pulling Gen X of likely even Gen Y money.

Ponzi schemes. How do they work.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 01, 2017 2:47 PM  

This info is also an excellent demonstration why "tax reform" fights are the biggest handjob in politics. They're already taking in $3+ trillion a year just at the federal level and still falling farther into debt.

There will never be a tax plan that gives the working and middle classes any real relief, because that would really destroy the already ailing budge, nor is there any feasible tax increase that could possible stop the bleeding.


Those "retired white boomers and older" and their employers paid taxes for that all their working lives. Your comment is a deliberately misleading comparison.

Even if any politician could keep their grimy mitts off such a tempting pile of cash, that doesn't address the fact that they paid, at most , 12.4% of their (very lowly capped) income all those years (and many have eligible spouses who paid little or nothing) Unless payouts are capped at that same 12.4% level (and that's not even catfood money), the whole system was doomed from the jump, just like all those pensions where idiots promised the gullible "7% per year every year!".

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 01, 2017 2:48 PM  

Athor Pel wrote:There are other ways to grow food. Ways that ARE sustainable AND just as productive as current industrial agriculture.

Here's a great example:
http://www.themarketgardener.com/

Some others out there that have been using really old ways of farming combined with modern technology. Some really good stuff. Will we pay a higher percentage of our income on food? Probably (certainly, in the short term), but much of the productivity of modern ag is false economy. We're paying with our health and the health of the earth.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 01, 2017 2:49 PM  

And of course there's the inimitable Joel Salatin. THE MAN

Blogger Dos Voltz June 01, 2017 2:53 PM  

Sadly, I sometimes get lumped in with Boomers as I was born in 64 - don't know why I get saddled with this albatross, 64 was not so close to the end of WWII. But whatever.

Generally the boomers are quite a disgrace. The generation that gave up on Western Civ and built up Hefner's Playboy, now a world-wide scourge of porn; allowed unanswered attacks on Christendom, gave us "The Pill" and women's lib, popularized and glorified illicit drugs and sex, aided the commies, and then decided to create the biggest ponzi fraud in history to have their kids and grandkids fund their good times later in life, (destroying youth's chances at getting solid footing to live their own lives).

Nothing short of injecting fecal laced poisons into society's jugular.

I never once identified with those fucks, and though often plenty eligible at low times in my life, never once took a dime from the government. Used to mean somethin.' Now I'm called a sucker by folks who have no qualms at all about gaming and bilking the system.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 01, 2017 3:15 PM  

Dos Voltz wrote:and then decided to create the biggest ponzi fraud in history to have their kids and grandkids fund their good times later in life

Far be from me to defend BBs (though I am one too, apparently; '63) but SS was started in 1935.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 01, 2017 3:19 PM  

I'm tired of the "I'm spending my children's inheritance" on the back motorhomes that cost more than my house. I want one that says "Stop spending my children's inheritance, you selfish pigs!"

Blogger Robert What? June 01, 2017 3:26 PM  

Does anyone see this changing before a total collapse? The goals and aims of the ruling classes are 180 degrees opposed to the goals and aims of the ruled. When people say "can't they see that the system isn't working?" I ask "working for who?" It is working quite well for a small, wealthy, connected crony class.

Blogger Dos Voltz June 01, 2017 3:31 PM  

48 quite right Duke but things since 65 have gone haywire. SS used to be protected early on, (so they claimed) but now so subject to fraud and abuse and raided to fund other things near and dear to a commie's heart. Immigrants wanted the gibmedats, boomers with their big hearts so willing to comply, to the detriment of their own children.

Someone else said it on GAB, "why have I always heard that Social Security will run out of funds one day soon, but apparently Welfare will never run out of money and go on forever?"

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 01, 2017 3:36 PM  

Brad Richards wrote:Claiming that the increase in taxation in the past 50 years is solely (or even primarily) due to immigration? Come on, that's not even remotely credible.

The past 50 years have seen a lot of major societal changes. To name the two most obvious, consider the "Great Society" programs, and the "War on Drugs" with the corresponding massive imprisonment rates.

I'm sure immigration has played a role, but it is only one of many factors that have affected government finances and taxation rates over the past several decades.


Every society has a practical limit to how much it can collect in taxes based on its culture, the distribution of wealth and other factors

The US is limited to roughly 20% GDP at the Federal level. Its known colloquially as Hauser's Law. It doesn't matter how high tax brackets are, that's all you are going to get . After that the Laffer curve kicks in and you get very rapid declines in income.

The other levels of government take another 20% of GDP per Cato

Now new immigrants tend to be program users and do not contribute nearly as much in taxes and lower wages as they are extra labor (The reason the Republican favored immigration was cheap wages)

Guess what happens? Every single penny we take in goes to military, Social Security and Medicare and there is no money, nor any revenue for anything else

We can't tax it and we can't cut the military enough to makes those ends meet even if we wanted too

On top of that States can't stop people from out-migrating. This is a bad thing in many ways culturally but capital flight from state to state is a big thing . I'm leaving California over this and many other things myself

Now say we had not allowed any new immigration or very little, those 50 million people would require less spending at every level and while we'd still have issues with retirement schemes, we'd be closer to solvency

On top of that wages would be much higher since labor would be scarcer.

Most likely we could cut a bit from the military (assuming it as the same as now) trim a few programs and come much closer to solvency . And as the US would be fairly homogeneous, we might even have the social capital to do this

So yes, immigration was major part of why the US is going broke.

Anonymous CarpeOro June 01, 2017 4:39 PM  

You know, so many refuse to understand the dwindling value of our money I'd almost be tempted to not translate the amount per person from 1965 to 2016 dollars. Just tell them 601 versus 10k and let THAT sink in.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 June 01, 2017 4:44 PM  

The 3rd world population explosion, Population Change, within the U.S. has caused infinitely more damage to our natural environment than climate change.

Are millions of acres of land being destroyed because of global warming, or is it due to having to build endless cheap apartment complexes, box stores, schools, roads, etc, ect.

How many trillions of animals, large and small, are being killed or made homeless due to our mass low IQ immigration?

The extremely inconvenient truth is that mass immigration is horrifically toxic our economy, culture, and the environment.

Blogger Dos Voltz June 01, 2017 5:08 PM  

@54

Robert Kennedy Jr is a big time enviro-activist (of course) and he did a PBS special on the dwindling level of the waters of the Colorado River.

I screamed at the TV, of course - "stop important millions more people into southern California you ignorant fuck!"

You could clearly see where the waters were 50, 40, 20 years ago as he paddled downstream.

Seemed like he blamed just about everything (mostly white American's with cars, jobs and lawns) except the influx of post 1965 dusky La Raza millions from Mexico.

Anonymous BBGKB June 01, 2017 5:23 PM  

Unless payouts are capped at that same 12.4% level (and that's not even catfood money), the whole system was doomed from the jump

They would have far more retirement money if they simply kept the cash paid into in the form of pre 1965 silver coins. That's how much the dollar has lost in value.

back motorhomes that cost more than my house. I want one that says "Stop spending my children's inheritance, you selfish pigs!"

I wouldn't have a bumper sticker but I will wear pretty mean t shirts.

"stop important millions more people into southern California you ignorant fuck!"

If CAs illegals took just one less shower per week for the past decade the reservoirs would be full now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 01, 2017 5:46 PM  

BBGKB wrote:If CAs illegals took just one less shower per week for the past decade the reservoirs would be full now.
You're verging into negative numbers there, Steve.

Anonymous BBGKB June 01, 2017 5:56 PM  

You're verging into negative numbers there, Steve

How do you think they came up with imaginary numbers with i squared = -1

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 01, 2017 6:12 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:"I'm spending my children's inheritance"

That really is an obnoxious meme, ain't it? It's like they're trying to affirm the stereotype of the Boomers. Despicable.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 01, 2017 8:35 PM  

Since only half of the citizens pay any Federal income tax, the average tax per capita is actually TWICE what is reported.

40 percent of Americans who have a job, make less than $20,000 per year.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 01, 2017 9:38 PM  


Since only half of the citizens pay any Federal income tax, the average tax per capita is actually TWICE what is reported.


The article is talking about all federal taxes, not just income taxes.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 02, 2017 12:07 AM  

the only thing i would critique about this story is that per capita taxation grossly underestimates the problem.

federal deficit spending is DEFERRED TAXATION.

therefore, the more accurate way to look at this would be to include the federal spending budget per capita as well.

which, i would note, is an effect that can easily be extrapolated once you notice the tension between the Federal Reserve holding the total GDP < 3% annual growth while 'baseline budgeting' grows FedGov outlays at some 10% per annum.

there can be no other expected result.

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