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Monday, June 19, 2017

Jones vs Kelly

On tonight's Darkstream, I discussed the Jones-Kelly interview and whether it was successful from the perspective of either of them.

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35 Comments:

Blogger Cynic In Chief June 19, 2017 9:24 PM  

Screw you Periscope. It somehow unfollowed you and I've missed the past couple Periscopes. Good thing you post notices, my RSS reader doesn't miss a post.

Blogger Phillip George June 19, 2017 9:25 PM  

this is media talking about media

#JeSuis22yearOldsBashedToDeathForHostileActs

Mueller needs to drain that Korean Swamp

Anonymous Rocklea June 19, 2017 10:08 PM  

As Alex himself likes to say, he is teleprompter free and unscripted. Makes for great talk radio, but he is susceptible to the 'gotcha' moment. At some point, someone, should compile a list of the amazing guests he has had on his show and given a platform to. Lord Christopher Monckton, Hamid Gul, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Joseph Stiglitz, Sey Hersh, Naomi Watts, Richard Gage, Nick Begich, Aaron Russo(RIP), Jesse Ventura, Willie Nelson, Ted Nugent, Chuck Norris, Ethan Hunt, Roger Stone, Dr Russel Blaylock, Gerald Celente, Dr Stan Monteith(RIP), The DC Madam(RIP, can't remember her name), Max Keiser,Bev Harris, just to name a few.

Megyn Who?

Blogger Nate June 19, 2017 11:11 PM  

my take:

No one won this... both megyn and jones lost. Megyn lost because she thought she was playing by the old rules where you could run hit-piece interviews.

Those days are over. we've moved on to the "Pretend they don't exist" phase.

Jones lost.. because he ended up looking like a moron. Which was predictable. and which is why YOU DO NOT TALK TO THE MSM.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 19, 2017 11:14 PM  

First lesson; Dont talk to the media!

OMGosh!! I loved the ending; do a stunt that calls them all heretics of the GE ON STAGE!

Glad you touched base with Jack, let him know he has so much support along with Laura Loomer as well.

I think this peri and Roosh's work RE: Cerno 1/2017 is most clarifying or most helpful to explain to everyone what the media is and does. Their agenda; trotting a boomer to tell us about AJ?! A led balloon, Tom who?

As I sit in small claims court the media for 4 months thinks I am dumb enough to talk to them -

Blogger Happy LP9 June 19, 2017 11:18 PM  

3; already compiled that and my ultimate 200 question genx test.

Dr. Pieczenik, Drudge, Savage, Quayle.

I am biased against Megyn so I cannot ever side with her; feminist!

Anonymous JAG June 19, 2017 11:34 PM  

You can't really hurt Jones at this stage as he has built a huge alt-media presence that will exist beyond his tenure. It's already shaping up that way as the networks he has built with Cerno, PJW, Mark Dice, and others will carry on for the Infowars brand after Alex retires. PJW is obviously going to be the face of Infowars at that point.

Blogger Nate June 19, 2017 11:42 PM  

"I am biased against Megyn so I cannot ever side with her; feminist! "

and how exactly does one choose between an evil feminist and a complete retard like Alex Jones?

What that the retard has good intentions? Megyn has good intentions. She is just misguided like Jones.

Remember... jones is actually hurting our side. Megyn is a day time talk show host. no one gives a damn.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 19, 2017 11:43 PM  

There's also the angle that Jones gets almost 2 weeks of "News" out of the event before & after the fact, and no one is ever going to let Kelly off about it. Even if they trade blows in the actual airing of the interview, NBC's move was something of a one-shot approach, where Infowars took the Grand Strategy approach.

Blogger Robert June 20, 2017 12:07 AM  

One thing people need to remember is that far more people heard about this interview than actually watched it. Some of these people have probably heard of Jones or at least know of people who like him, even if they've never listened to him (side note I actually saw a car with an infowars bumper sticker outside a local bookstore not long ago).

Such people, who would never have thought to question sandy hook or anything like it, will be intrigued by all the discussion around this interview and search to try to find out at least what the other side of the argument is. At least some of those might find their way to becoming regular Jones viewers.

I have mixed feelings about Alex Jones, but I find it hard to see how this hurt him. The people who think negatively of him now were probably never going to watch him to begin with, his fans are still solidly behind him, and some normies will now seek him out from morbid curiosity. And all that would be from people talking about the interview alone regardless of how the interview portrays him.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 12:14 AM  

9 Hi Nate, your comment are always great, we are all Christians. I understand your points but I cannot side with any woman whom won't raise her 3 children and stop working. I understand your comments, I get it. Again I cannot ever side with a feminism.

We have a nation of misguided people with agendas and a mic, I side with the men every time.

What is most alarming is how the heck a cargo ship gets anywhere near a destroyer ship -

Megyn is a side show, I warned comcastnbc and BCC'ed the FCC that comcast NBC is trash and she wont last.

But again, I understand your points, they are valid; but I seek to support our men and reasonable women like Lauren Southern, Tara and Brittany, etc.

Blogger Harris June 20, 2017 12:16 AM  

Honestly, I'd never even heard of Jones before this interview. So, if the goal was to get people to ignore him, all the interview did was let me know who he is.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 12:17 AM  

9 agreed but PJW and Cerno are having a influence over AJ but again I understand where you are coming from in commentary.

Nate is a true family man, Christian and realist, those are the men I support and encourage, not that they need me.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 12:35 AM  

9 "Remember... jones is actually hurting our side. Megyn is a day time talk show host. no one gives a damn."

I understand, thank you for the clarity and wake up call but still I trust AJ, Cerno, Vox, PJW over that lair feminist Kelly.

I shamed comcastnbc and BCC'ed the FCC regarding Kelly months ago telling them shes a mistake to hire at NBC.

Anonymous User June 20, 2017 12:43 AM  

Nate wrote:my take:

No one won this... both megyn and jones lost. Megyn lost because she thought she was playing by the old rules where you could run hit-piece interviews.

Those days are over. we've moved on to the "Pretend they don't exist" phase.

Jones lost.. because he ended up looking like a moron. Which was predictable. and which is why YOU DO NOT TALK TO THE MSM.



Not to counter-signal the general point about the MSM, but I don't really see how Alex Jones loses here. We're talking about a guy who sells water filters and fake herbal supplements. He's done a damn fine job of managing expectations to the point that he can only exceed them. Megyn Kelly just came off as the hectoring bitch that just had her appointment with the wall that she is.

MK is from a credentialed media organization? Sure, AJ owns one. They've both interviewed the President. Look at the marginal advantage. How many fans did AJ lose from this interview? Precisely none. How many did he gain? More than precisely none. How many infowars viewers are going to start watching MK? Precisely none. The math here is easy, it's a TKO for AJ no matter how "stupid" he looked.

Blogger Quilp June 20, 2017 1:02 AM  

I don't see how Jones is "hurting our side", even though I agree he is a moron. That would seem to be overly concerned about leftist (media) reaction to him, and they will only ever mock him anyways. Does the media mocking Jones drive anyone away from the right, or even Alex jones..I'm not so sure. He has a substantial following among the young, especially young men. Not everyone, even of the same of political bent, responds to the same level of discourse. Personally, I'm more concerned with winning than worrying over the trogs helping us along to victory. At worst I think he is a wash. But I don't believe the worst case is reality. I think he is useful.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 1:46 AM  

Quilp wrote:I don't see how Jones is "hurting our side", even though I agree he is a moron.
If Alex Jones is a failure, I'd love to fail half as well. Maybe he could give failure seminars, teaching all of us to fail into a multi-million dollar income and media empire.

Blogger Boxty June 20, 2017 1:48 AM  

Happened to me too. Not surprising since it was proudly made by immigrants...

Anonymous I'm an Alt-right hero June 20, 2017 2:11 AM  

As an Alt-right hero, why can't they both be assholes?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft June 20, 2017 3:17 AM  

I'd say that I don't have any particular liking from the man, and his reputation for accuracy is very weak indeed, but that's still incomparably better than the MSM who never seem to release a single sentence without two explicit and a minimum of three implicit lies, all intentionally.

Does he look like an idiot to me? Yes, even apart from this.

Can I honestly argue with the success of his business? Certainly not.

As far as whether this hurt or helped him, well, it certainly didn't do the MSM any favors, regardless of what they may think. As far as Jones' business strategy, any publicity is very much good publicity, so it's hard for me to say with any certainty that it hurt him very much either.

What it boils down to is that he's on our side, and this is how he fights. I may not like the idea of rolling around in the mud snapping and snarling like a dog, but I can't argue with its effectiveness. As long as he's not dragging others (of us) into his style of fight unwillingly, I'm down with him proceeding as he will.

Anonymous Rocklea June 20, 2017 4:34 AM  

"I'd say that I don't have any particular liking from the man, and his reputation for accuracy is very weak indeed, but that's still incomparably better than the MSM who never seem to release a single sentence without two explicit and a minimum of three implicit lies, all intentionally."

I find him to be broadly right and specifically wrong, but specificity, is as rare as unobtainium, especially when drawing conclusions from MSM.
He, PJW, Cerno and even Tommy Robinson, civic nationalist all, as is, unfortunately, most of the western world. Vox has penned the 16 points, in time, Alex and the world, will come to understand, that they actually wrote themselves.

Anonymous Fred Foley June 20, 2017 4:50 AM  

Guys, you need to stop calling Alex Jones a moron. It makes you sound like a bunch of morons

Anonymous RCFlyer June 20, 2017 5:36 AM  

Speaking of the alt-right engaging with the MSM, Tommy Robinson tried live TV with Piers Morgan this morning. I think he held his own pretty well aside from constantly interrupted and shouted down. And Morgan is probably about the closest you can find in Britain to a "friendly" venue.

https://youtu.be/YSVluEOUBDU

Anonymous Rocklea June 20, 2017 6:13 AM  

@23 Tommy gives the white power; previously, erroneously perceived to signal 'okay' to the normies; hand signal in the above video, he's so hardcore.

Anonymous Rocklea June 20, 2017 6:28 AM  

"I think he held his own pretty well aside from constantly interrupted and shouted down."

Re: Tommy
He didn't just hold his own, he was brilliant, simply brilliant, and well prepared. The smartest question the bint asked was, "How can you separate Islam from muslims?" I, for one, do not know.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 20, 2017 7:44 AM  

Rocklea wrote:The smartest question the bint asked was, "How can you separate Islam from muslims?" I, for one, do not know.

Exactly. As well as, "How can you separate moderates from extremists?" I'd say it's nigh on impossible, and that it's almost a distinction without a difference. Only the actual "liberal" mohammedans can be remotely considered to be benign, and they're apostates!

And even they should not be fully trusted; as well as the supposed secular ones. Their true colors will come out in the end.

Blogger Nate June 20, 2017 7:51 AM  

"How many infowars viewers are going to start watching MK? Precisely none. The math here is easy, it's a TKO for AJ no matter how "stupid" he looked."

I think that would have been true 5 years ago when infowars was a fringe site trafficked Art Bell listeners. Its grown a lot in the last several years and its attracted some normie types.

Coming across as crazy in front of God and everyone will drive a lot of those normie types away.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2017 8:00 AM  

Anything that drives the rabid SJW virtue signalers into fits has value. It is funny to see blubber flubber and spittle fly.

Blogger Vikki Wilson June 20, 2017 8:03 AM  

I think the "normalising Alex Jones" project is a clear perspective on this. But surely the hit piece with the victor being the media was a given and Jones knew it.

Not a huge Alex Jones fan - I have particular sympathy for the suffering of Englishman Paul Joseph Watson, unable to raise his eyes to the scenery-chewing of his boss.

Nevertheless Alex Jones has enormous significance in the new media landscape - good on him.

He WAS surprisingly underprepared, but it's impossible to believe that he was fooled for one second by flattery and female blandishments: I'm sure he simply enjoyed it: happens all the time.

Jones took the risk and on balance I reckon he'll make the furore work for him and his empire. Not sure the odds worked for him as for Mike Cernovich or indeed Putin.

Anonymous Avalanche June 20, 2017 9:24 AM  

@16 "even though I agree he is a moron."

Why do you (and others) ACCEPT the MSM caricature of Alex? He's not a moron; and the fact that he sells supplements and water filters -- to people who are worried about the coming apocalypse -- should in no way detract from his points. (Hell the MSM sells laxatives and dangerous drugs, toilet paper and restaurants, eye glasses and stocks: do you equate THOSE products to the veracity of the MSM?!)

Remember when Alex Jones was "that crazy guy trying to sell 9/11 as an inside job"? He has been and is being backed up more and more by *hard* scientific and engineering research. Are you old enough to remember when only "crazy morons" insisted that JFK was NOT killed by a lone gunman? Got over that MSM lying in that case, didn't you? "EVERY" American now knows that was an MSM lie -- so why can't you draw the line from there?

I find Alex to be ... annoying: that bombast that absolutely serves HIS purpose? But don't make the mistake of thinking that he's doing it cause he can't help himself: that is the character he PLAYS ON TV! But it's wearing for me to watch -- and that's after he has calmed way down! I used to try to watch when he was *apparently * (i.e., "playing on TV"!) a screaming loon: "Cassandras" have always been known for that!

But, as he has gained "traction" -- as people have begun to find the veracity in his ranting -- he has become (slightly) less bombastic. When people actually LISTEN to a Cassandra, then 'she' no longer has to scream and wail to get people to heed 'her' warnings!

Just as people used to disdain the JFK research, people still blow off the things (9/11 and London bombing and, yes, Sandy Hook!) you find hard to believe... As with any of these "conspiracy theories" -- when you actually do the research, you 'suddenly' find you that it was not possible for JFK to be murdered by a magic bullet! You wonder about those Israelis living on an empty floor INSIDE the WTC doing "art projects" that involve multiple boxes marked with primer cord descriptions (photographs, not "eye-witness" reports; read about that? Thought not.) -- and the physics-proven impossibility of a 'truck bomb' to take down the Murrow Building -- and HOW do you suppose someone knew to order exactly 26 "christmas trees" (no more, no less) to be posted outside the (closed in 2008 because of asbestos) Sandy Hook school a couple of DAYS BEFORE the Sandy Hook "shooting"?!

Do NOT disparage what you know not of!

Anonymous Avalanche June 20, 2017 9:32 AM  

@29 " suffering of Englishman Paul Joseph Watson, unable to raise his eyes to the scenery-chewing of his boss."

After watching PJW join Cerno is lambasting Spencer for salute-gate -- both claiming it was so Spencer could sell books (what?! does he even HAVE a book?!) -- they BOTH looked petty and jealous, not serious about the harm he did (to himself and the Alt-Right). I don't excuse Spencer for being a media-addict; Spencer's milque-toasty presentation (and apparent end-goals?) doesn't suit me at all -- but Cerno and PJW just sounded like sour whiners about the MSM coverage (however bad) Spencer was getting.

Blogger SouthRon June 20, 2017 12:00 PM  

I love the implicit "we'll dox your ass" in "Tommy Robinson isn't even your real name". That's rich coming from Piers O'Meara.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 4:21 PM  

I hope the men understand the underlying issue here; MK has 3 children under age 10 (correct), divorced her husband, cut her hair and trolled AJ.

That woman doesn't even want to be a mother with her next worth in the millions. Her husband could not tame his shrew wife.

With all her atty edu or smarts whatever, shes not smart she can't even homeschool her kids, she doesn't know how she instead stays at Fox, leaves for NBC. It is disgusting.

Who is mothering the children while she was toying with Infowars? No one.

Who lost? The kids.

There is no siding with, no respect, no compassion, no time for feminists. None.

Men need to understand what most women thought when rational women heard this matter.

My expectation is she be crying to the horrorshow women on the View by Friday or she will curl up with Ellen (Witch/sorceress) Degenerate on how she feels.

The comparison here is like the time Brittany spears shaved her head in a postpartum (whatever) meltdown and hit a car with a club or whatever years ago.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 4:31 PM  

30 Did you catch the JFK matter of docs being released sometime in 2030 after everyone is dead b/c they still cannot declassify what happened to JFK.

It isn't about selling stuff, its about buying shirts or items to show support, its about loading your kindle with what Castalia House is doing and not ever buying anything from Tor and the other gatekeeping publishers.

As for the items like iodine (which I have) or supplements, books, etc., when one accepts their own death, the will for being healthy is natural. When you want to learn you will change your mind on things.

I dont care if MK trolls out her Christian faith, I knew she was a liar the moment I heard her voice. Give me AJ and his staff or guests any day, I'll listen, I cannot listen to her voice.

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