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Wednesday, June 14, 2017

Life in post-White Not-America

A Marine relates his experience with a good boy who, no doubt, is going to go to college:
As a former US Marine, I am painfully aware of the security risks of Baltimore, and go out of my way to reduce my need to resort to force for survival.  At approximately 10 PM, I sat in the driver’s seat with the engine running and texted a few friends while I let the engine warm up (diesel car, cold night).  I was parked in the corner of a restaurant parking lot that is surrounded by fence on all sides save for the entrance– trapped.  Suddenly, to my left, a loud banging against my driver window caused me to drop my phone, and I looked up in horror at some young dindu punk with a cheap Hi-Point brand 9mm pistol leveled right at my chest ordering me to get out of my car.  I raised my left hand in a stop motion to show him I meant no harm as my right hand inconspicuously but instinctively went for my right hip where, if I were in Virginia or my native New York, my hand would have grasped the hilt of my Glock model 27 .40 caliber soul liberator.  The realization of its absence is when the blood truly drained from my face, and the icy cold reality of having to get out of my car and into the jaws of the beast to negotiate for my life set in.  Had I been able to drive off, I would have done so, and run this dindu down in the process by a fast reverse with the wheel hard to the right.

The instant I lowered the window to tell him to take the car, he started pulling on the glass (thanks for the fingerprints, asshole) and managed to force my window down to reach inside to pull the door handle. He grabbed me by the shirt, and pulled me out of the car but my seatbelt slowed my progress. He kept screaming, almost in a frightened manner, to “get out of the fucking car.” His pistol-whips came raining down on my head and somehow I was able to get out of the car when I tried to just run, but was on my knee with the door open and my right leg still in the car. He kept screaming for the keys, when I yelled, “they’re in the car, they’re in the car!” On about the fourth or fifth smash to my head and face with his crude instrument of an impoverished savage, I saw a starry flash and knew this cocksucker was going to kill me if he was able to get control of my car. I unclipped my Benchmade 4.5″ Stryker knife when I felt him lean over me to look into the car and plunged the glinting tip of my shiv directly into his abdomen somewhere near his spleen. I pulled the knife out to go for a second thrust when I barely got the edge of his blue hooded sweatshirt as he was in Jessie Owens mode running for the street nearby to make his escape back to the shadows.

It just goes to show that we are ceding Western Civilization without so much as a whimper, because the instant I became a hard target capable of presenting danger to him and taking his life, he ran like a spearchucking skinny after the last gazelle on the grassy plain.
My grandfather was carjacked in Alexandria, Virginia, by a 28-year-old vibrant armed with a .38, at the age of 73. Also being a Marine, he also fought back, disarmed the vibrant, and broke his hand repeatedly punching the younger gentleman in the face.

Neither segregation nor free association are wrong. Racism is not a sin; you will not find it denounced anywhere in the Bible. And the virtue-signaling churches that teach racism is a sin are teaching the false gospel of Judeo Christ, not the genuine gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

It is strange, is it not, that the most grievous of sins appears to have escaped the notice of all the various Christian churches, from Orthodox to Protestant, for over one thousand nine hundred years. And does anyone really believe that modern society is today more Christian, more perfected in the faith, than were previous societies?

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Anonymous Faceless June 14, 2017 1:10 PM  

The only new gun legislation we need after the shooting today is national reciprocity for CPL, with no ability for corrupt municipalities or states to infringe on those rights. My Congressman should have had a CPL from my state and been armed there at the scene, rather than having to be unarmed due to frequently entering the imperial capital city where freedom doesn't exist.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 14, 2017 1:12 PM  

if I were in Virginia or my native New York

Can someone with a better understanding of VA, MD, and NY gun laws explain?

OpenID paworldandtimes June 14, 2017 1:12 PM  

If there is theological basis behind "racism is a sin," I am not aware of one that goes beyond "racism bad because non-inclusion hurts feelings."

PA

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 1:13 PM  

Not all racism is wisdom, but you cannot be wise without being racist.

Blogger PragmaticTroll June 14, 2017 1:14 PM  

Diesels don't "warm up". I think the story teller might be a tad unreliable.

Blogger VD June 14, 2017 1:17 PM  

Diesels don't "warm up".

All cars do. Diesels in particular tend to start hard in cold weather.

Blogger DeploraBard June 14, 2017 1:19 PM  

The dindu was culturally appropriating his vehicle. Nothing wrong with dat

Blogger Peter Jackson June 14, 2017 1:19 PM  

The ONLY "racist" thing that should have been outlawed is discrimination based on race in PUBLIC accommodations. Private business should able to hire and serve anyone they want, for any reason they want.

Anonymous fop June 14, 2017 1:21 PM  

Former US marine?

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett June 14, 2017 1:22 PM  

You could simply Google "diesel warm-up".

I'm sure we know who is unreliable.

Blogger PragmaticTroll June 14, 2017 1:24 PM  

I think I read that as "warm up so the heater would work" essentially. My mistake.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 14, 2017 1:25 PM  

Private business should able to hire and serve anyone they want, for any reason they want.

Bake the damn cake you Nazi bigot!

Anonymous Iacobus June 14, 2017 1:30 PM  

So what happened to the perp? Is there a happy ending where the insect dies? Is the case still ongoing?

Anonymous peter June 14, 2017 1:30 PM  

"f I were in Virginia or my native New York, my hand would have grasped the hilt of my Glock model 27 .40 caliber soul liberator"

I don't think that would be the case in NY city -- maybe upper state NY. I thought that many of these trucker types carried these black powder 1858 type reproduction cap and ball pistols so that they are legal in all states (not sure if that is true -- I know they can be shipped in all states by federal law but state laws are funny)

Anonymous 11B June 14, 2017 1:35 PM  

And does anyone really believe that modern society is today more Christian, more perfected in the faith, than were previous societies?

That's a great point. I was debating some point when a guy noted that Martin Luther was wrong about something. I replied I was no expert on the Bible, but I would defer to Luther given his study and knowledge of the Bible as compared to people today.

Anonymous peter June 14, 2017 1:37 PM  

"All cars do. Diesels in particular tend to start hard in cold weather."

In fact modern diesels are particularly sensitive to cold start -- you should always warm them up to allow lubrication -- that's why there are fluid temp gauges in high end diesel trucks/equipment. Turbos on diesels are especially critical to warm up. And the other end applies too -- make sure after a long run you let the truck sit at idle to cool down before you shut it off.

Blogger Smokey Dust June 14, 2017 1:37 PM  

Got you covered. VA is shall issue for conceal carry, meaning you pass a background check take a 4-8 hour class and the state of Virginia must give you a permit.

NY is a may issue state meaning the applicant needs to perform the above but the permit is only giving should the authorities decide the applicant is worthy of self defense. In NY the local authorities decide who gets a permit so if you live outside of NYC, Albany or Buffalo you pretty much get the permit.

MD is also a may issue state but the permitting is controlled by the state police who demand a good and substantial reason to carry a pistol in public. Self defense is deemed not a good reason but transporting money is.

Most of the US is shall issue. The may issue states are CA, NY, NJ, MD, MA, Hawaii (I see some sort of trend)

There is a growing number of constitutional carry states which require no permit at all including the right wing radicals in New Hampshire and Vermont.

I tried to get the cucks in MD to start fighting dirty to get their rights back but being full blown cucks they'd rather get murdered than lower themselves.

Blogger Giraffe June 14, 2017 1:38 PM  

"Crude instrument of an impoverished savage"

Wait, is this that fight club thing again?

Blogger Stilicho June 14, 2017 1:42 PM  

Josh, presumably he has carry permits for those states but not MD. NY does not allow ownership of handguns w/o a permit and a second permit is required for carry. VA is much better. MD is very bad and similar to NY. Of course, he didn't fully learn his lesson and continues to reside in MD when VA isn't that far from Annapolis so commuting to his various work sites shouldn't change that much and the extra cost and time would clearly be worth it.

Blogger mgh June 14, 2017 1:45 PM  

People believe racism is a sin because they believe it violates Jesus' command to "love thy neighbor". The reality is that what passes for racism today is mostly saying NO to childish demands for special privileges.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 14, 2017 1:47 PM  

Smokey, Stilicho: thanks

Blogger praetorian June 14, 2017 1:51 PM  

Diesels don't "warm up". I think the story teller might be a tad unreliable.

You apparently drive a ladies vehicle.

It's OK, I know lots of faggots who are living totally kick ass lives.

Anonymous steve June 14, 2017 1:57 PM  

The hi point and all other inexpensive weapons(keltec..etc) fill a critical need .. Had he pulled the trigger you would be just as dead as with a glock 17..

I am bit surprised one could get pistol whipped multiple times with a hi point and live to tell it ... Those are blow back guns, very heavy, like a brick.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 14, 2017 2:02 PM  

Guys...this is fiction.

Just accept it.

This kid MAY have his heart in the right place but this is just a story he made up.

A wolf can smell one of his own and I am telling you...this boy was never a Marine.

Josh is right, it's bullshit.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2017 2:03 PM  

It is strange, is it not, that the most grievous of sins appears to have escaped the notice of all the various Christian churches, from Orthodox to Protestant, for over one thousand nine hundred years.

Indeed. I wonder that about all the things that suddenly became essential aspects of Christianity in the mid-20th century, after being missed (or condemned) by all of Christendom for so long. Of course, the people who profess these innovations usually don't know or care what was taught for all those centuries.

It becomes a self-fulfilling argument: we don't care about the teachings of our forebears on things like race and sex, because they were racist and sexist, ergo they must have been wrong.

Blogger Dave June 14, 2017 2:05 PM  

Obviously fiction, I've been to Baltimore many times and have never been carjacked.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 14, 2017 2:06 PM  

Another really good column.

Sure enough the Torah really does back up racism in a big way, a lot of the problems the Judeans and Israelis (10 lost tribes) had was marrying women outside of their own group and the Idolatry that came in with those women.

Now if I read the New testament right, the famous discourse with the Pharisees about "who is you neighbor" seems to be the closest thing to the modern point of view you mentioned, but as it was in the form of a parable meant to tweak the Pharisees I am not sure how far you can take that.

Blogger bosscauser June 14, 2017 2:08 PM  

My diesel truck is a pain in the ass to start and rough for a few minutes

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous rien June 14, 2017 2:10 PM  

A former marine getting pistol whipped on the head without going for the gun?

Wel, I guess you "had to be there"...

Still... kudo's for the knife!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 14, 2017 2:11 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:It is strange, is it not, that the most grievous of sins appears to have escaped the notice of all the various Christian churches, from Orthodox to Protestant, for over one thousand nine hundred years.

Indeed. I wonder that about all the things that suddenly became essential aspects of Christianity in the mid-20th century, after being missed (or condemned) by all of Christendom for so long. Of course, the people who profess these innovations usually don't know or care what was taught for all those centuries.

It becomes a self-fulfilling argument: we don't care about the teachings of our forebears on things like race and sex, because they were racist and sexist, ergo they must have been wrong.


Well, because we have progressed so much since then. That Jesus guy had some pretty good ideas for his time but we have improved on them since then. If we just kept doing what he taught then we wouldn't ever be making progress! /sarc

OpenID aew51183 June 14, 2017 2:12 PM  

I'm also not buying someone being stabbed in the gut and choosing to run before shooting.

If adrenaline kicks in said dindu would be infuriated at defiance and pull the trigger.

If adrenaline does not do the job he's same dindu is not going to be able to move his trunk without debilitating pain or worse, and will fire under contest for life.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 2:14 PM  

Yeah, I'm going to go with fake. Marines have some... things. Reliable ways to trigger a response. And one of them is to say "former Marine", which means "dishonorably discharged Marine".

Blogger Steve Moss June 14, 2017 2:17 PM  

The writer's use of former Marine is correct for a certain era. Ex is always wrong. Nowadays it's traditional to just say Marine, but prior to the mid-1990s former was the modifier.

The only word which struck me as strange was the writer's use of "hilt" to describe a pistol's grip.

Anonymous Not Black and White, Only Right and Wrong! June 14, 2017 2:25 PM  

The Church teaches than no man’s birth bars him from being baptized, and that all baptized Christians are my brethren. Racism teaches that one’s character, ideals, and loyalties are fated by birth, and that enmity between certain bloodlines is inevitable. Hence, racism is mutually exclusive with the teachings of Christ.

Civilization is built on law and order, which presupposes objective laws. Objectivity in law means judgment is due to individual guilt or innocence.

The assertion of legal privileges, rank, or handicaps imposed by birth mean collective guilt or innocence is a matter of birth, which means punishment is indifferent to guilt, reward indifferent to innocence.

This is the opposite of objectivity in law, and is an abomination of naked injustice. Subjective, partial or partisan justice is a contradiction in terms. It contradicts and erodes the benefits of civilization. It is tribal barbarism write large.

Racism is also one more form of fatalism, which denies free will. Like all philosophies that deny free will, racism denies itself.

Blogger Lovekraft June 14, 2017 2:27 PM  

I've wondered what Alan Watts meant when he, referring to Christianity, said that if most people really practiced that faith, they would go bonkers.

I think it has to do with the metaphysical implications rather than the temporal demands.

Anonymous Starsky June 14, 2017 2:28 PM  

You're not supposed to just "love they neighbor" - that's Old Testament.

In the New Testament, you're supposed to "love your enemies".

That should make it absolutely clear that racism is wrong, especially if other races wish to do us harm.

Vox seems to think the Bible tells us we must only love those who wish us well, our neighbors - yet it is exactly this attitude that the Bible condemns. It says quite clearly that if we love only those who wish us well, how are we different than anyone else? What virtue have we?

We are not to just love our neighbors who are peaceful and amicable towards us - but to actually lover our enemies who wish us harm.

Vox - at what point are you going to accept that you ideas cannot be grafted onto the stem of Christianity? Your ethics simply contradict Christian ethics at every point and you do too great violence to simple logic.

People will notice, Vox. This attempt will never be successful. People have only to pick up a Bible and read. We don't leave in an illiterate age when no one really could check what you say against the Bible.

Don't get me wrong, Vox - I am not here opposing your ethics or your overall goal and plan for the West at all. I am simply saying it's a graft that won't "take" if you plan on building it on the Bible.

Isn't it time you honestly - the kind of brutal honesty you wish to be known for - adopt a different religion that does fit with your ideals?

Some kind of paganism, I'm guessing. And there is nothing wrong with paganism.

Blogger tz June 14, 2017 2:31 PM  

Diesels definitely do need to warm up, but I have an electric auxillary heater in my truck so I get some heat in a few seconds, and don't have to wait for the large thermal mass of coolant to warm.

DIverSitopia is a longer form of dystopia.

But even that isn't the whole story. Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell talk of their youth where they could sleep outside and safely visit the nearby playgrounds. Even in black areas. The changes seemed to mainly come from a black monoculture where black politicians were elected, created a microcosmic Zimbabwe (Detroit, Selma), and are now playing cargo-cult type games to get prosperity back. Even some in Zimbabwe (and South Africa) are realizing the dirt isn't magic so food doesn't just grow by itself.

It would be interesting to chronicle the north-eastern techway - Pittsburgh, Youngstown, Cleveland, Toledo, and the Detroit area which in the 1920s was the equivalent of today's "Silicon Valley" as the automobile was the important high-tech device (along with radio). The Detroit Institute of Arts, Orchestra Hall (perfect acoustics), the Library, Grand Central Station.

Then see where California's vibrant silly valley is along that track.

Anonymous fop June 14, 2017 2:33 PM  

The only word which struck me as strange was the writer's use of "hilt" to describe a pistol's grip.

And "shiv". Who besides convicts and gangstas calls their knife a "shiv"?

Blogger Chiva June 14, 2017 2:36 PM  

In the New Testament, you're supposed to "love your enemies".

So, when are you going to invite the gang-bangers to live in your home with your family?

Anonymous CHEDDARMAN June 14, 2017 2:36 PM  

Whether or not this is a true story, it reflects reality in much of what was formerly known as America. I used to live in the Diversitopia of Columbus, OHIO. Almost got shot by negro youth when i walked into the middle of a home invasion of the neighbors. A friend was murdered last summer when he went to collect late rent from his negro tenants. They put his body in a garage and poured gasoline on him and set the garage on fire. He may have still been alive. He left behind a wife and 4 young kids. Black Lives Matter did not conduct a candle light vigil or block freeways in his memory.

Blogger Smokey Dust June 14, 2017 2:37 PM  

Josh - forgot to mention no one except lawyers and landlords get permits in MD. Carrying cash is apparently more important than natural self defense.

Blogger praetorian June 14, 2017 2:38 PM  

Josh is right, it's bullshit.

It does read like fanfic.

Anonymous Iacobus June 14, 2017 2:38 PM  

Starsky wrote:We are not to just love our neighbors who are peaceful and amicable towards us - but to actually lover our enemies who wish us harm.

Not to be that guy, but am I to take it like a good little Christian if someone comes at me with a machete? Because I'd tell you to go stuff yourself and whatever you thought Christ taught you was the right thing to do.

Anonymous fop June 14, 2017 2:42 PM  

Anybody ever tried to force a car window down from the outside with one hand?

Blogger Stilicho June 14, 2017 2:44 PM  

Markku, "former Marine" is an acceptable appellation. It denotes a Marine who is no longer on active duty in situations where that distinction is appropriate. Otherwise, it's just "Marine". Animal Mother, Cataline, Larry, and my other comrades in arms can confirm if you still doubt.

Blogger ZhukovG June 14, 2017 2:46 PM  

@Starsky: Assuming innocent ignorance, you are so wrong as to be comparing apples to a song about orange blossoms in central Florida. But it isn't worth my time to explain it to you.

I am a Racist, but I have an arguably intemperate concern for the welfare of African-Americans.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 2:46 PM  

This guy isn't a Marine. Ex Marine is the trigger, not former Marine. This does read like fanfic. Roissy didn't know any better since he's not acquainted with the high speed low drag patois of the average Leathernuts.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 2:48 PM  

Stilicho,

Larry's memory might be faulty due to old age. I think he and Dan Daly were PFC's together.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 2:50 PM  

Loving your enemy does not preclude blowing his head off. Loving your enemy does not require inviting him to live among you. Loving your enemy does not excuse lying to him, yourself or other people about who he is and what he does.

@34, you don't get to invent your own, personal definition of racism, and then explain to us how it's not only anti-Christian, it's wrong and makes us bad poopy-heads.

Fornication is a sin.
Adultery is a sin
Sodomy is a sin.
Lying is a sin.
Stealing is a sin.
Racism is not a sin.

Anonymous Humpty Dumpty Parumpty June 14, 2017 2:50 PM  

The people above doubting the story must have never visited modern Baltimore.

Carjacking type "hot" (with victim present) crimes are very common there.

Blogger tz June 14, 2017 2:51 PM  

@34 God is a racist because he creates us with different abilities and handicaps and many of them we share with our parents and grandparents? Why should wealthy black children of sports stars have an advantage over those from a poor single white mother?

You also confuse racism with bigotry. Racism, per se, is a collective, not an individual judgment, but we first consider people on the visible characteristics of the collective. How many black people are dressing in suits, or at least nice shirts like you see in the pictures and videos of the Civil Rights marches? And their speech - do they talk in calm tones with a large vocabulary like Clarence Thomas or Ben Carson? These things they can change, and they are mostly appearance. At what point will they ostracize single-motherhood and welfare into near nonexistence?

Ah, we have to give up Christianity because judging on the content of their character - their words and deeds - is "racist"? That is what is unchristian. Loving our enemies means we need to redeem them, not to ignore their march into the depths of hell.

And this is where things blew up. Churchians refused to maintain any standard for other races or women, and now even perverts. Now that it is physically dangerous to venture into Baltimore, where are the missionaries bringing the good news of reconciliation with God after REPENTING of your sins? Oh, they just go to black churches where they are churchians-squared so we don't have to.

The Crusaders took back the holy land for a time, but then had to retreat back to Europe. And there had to be the battle of LaPonto and the Reconquista.

When the tumor is small, it is easy to treat. But when it has spread, you must cut off the limb to save the rest of the body.

It is far more bigoted to give entire races to the devil to damn for all eternity than to show them real Christianity and the real Christ.

Because of the sons of the devil, instead of having converts seeking their place in Christendom - even under some light or heavy apartheid, it has been reduced to the army of light and army of darkness where conversion is mostly futile, and the attacks on the remnant frequent, effective, and deadly.

Anonymous Grayman June 14, 2017 2:52 PM  

What is the obsession with casting christianity as a subserviant death cult who proclaim love for their murderers as they and their families are brutally murdered, as their wives and daughters are raped as they are forced to watch?
I have no pretense of being a religious hostorian but that death cult would not be here today.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 2:54 PM  

^^^BINGO^^^

PACIFISTS KISS MY WHITE, TEXAN, JESUS LOVING ASS.

Anonymous Steve Canyon June 14, 2017 2:55 PM  

Pretty much all Marines are trained in USMC Combatives, and have been since about 2001 or so. The guy in this story doesn't sound like someone who went through this training.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 2:57 PM  

Just because you have to love your enemies, doesn't mean that you are freed from the original command to love your allies and friends. You don't do anything to your enemy, in a misguided effort to "love" them, that actually hurts those to whom your FIRST responsibility to love goes.

Blogger VoodooJock June 14, 2017 2:57 PM  

As far as forcing car windows down with the hand, I've done this on Fords with power windows a number of times. Their power window motors are fairly weak.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2017 2:58 PM  

Anybody ever tried to force a car window down from the outside with one hand?

Yes. I had locked myself out, but the window was open a crack, and I just needed a couple more inches to get my arm inside and unlock it. Pushed a little too hard, and the window shattered. Good thing for safety glass.

Anyway, to the point you're making: yes, there is some give there, more in some models than others, depending on the mechanism. It's possible.

Blogger justaguy June 14, 2017 2:58 PM  

What was he doing at night in Baltimore.... It is one thing for the rich elite to live in their compound suburbs in Maryland, or to be in the few tourist areas that are safe (like parts of Annapolis) but Baltimore???

Blogger Doom June 14, 2017 3:05 PM  

Yeah, I am thinking it just sounds more like a story than a truth. I am not sure if he is exploring fiction, figuring out which agenda he plans to endorse, or simply passing time. The beating is off. The shouting seems off. Take a look at those things, is my suggestion. Talk to people who have really been in that situation. Maybe play-act both parts. Or if he has some real balls, go, do, and learn... if he survives. THEN write the fiction. It doesn't add up. Reads like a novel, and not a great one. Though maybe he is just a mild aspy or such. Doubt it, doesn't round and clip the corners well enough.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 14, 2017 3:05 PM  

Well far be it for me to defend the Christians who think like Vox, but having studied it a fair bit and sent my own kinder to a Christian school, I have read a fair bit of the new testament, in particular the JC guy. So as a semi-outsider I would respond to the Christians attacking Vox's stance, with the notion I could be very wrong and am more than happy to be corrected by the real Christians who know their doctrine.

All of the "love your neighbor" stuff is true, but JC did not say your neighbor was everybody or your enemy. His story about the Samaritans was yet another , in a long line of digs at first century Pharisee thought. It was a particular rebuke to the Pharisee because not only did the Pharisee not intervene, but the hated Samaritan did. The story is meant to make one think, that is what prophets do, try to make folks think about the real divine intent, not the man adapted behaviors that are being mindlessness followed.

Now as to loving the entire world, well, how about trying to do your basic duty, which is to raise your children with a respect of G-D, to be decent and kind and yet aware of the world's reality, distasteful as it might be. It takes time and is done in stages. Guess what, if you do that correctly at some point the kids and wife will be vulnerable to being harmed by evil, which is drawn to innocence like bugs to a light at night. Now a good G-D fearing man should defend his own and that means making sure those who might do harm are held at bay, before they can do harm and at sufficient distance that you have time to respond.

Now Jewish law is pretty clear on the righteousness of kicking your enemies ass if they are a threat. JC says he comes to fulfill the law, not change it. Perhaps the right response is to defend good against evil, and once the threat is removed do what you can to help the defeated evil foe. Do not hate them but pray to our Father in Heaven for a change in attitude by the evil, once no longer the threat do what you can to mitigate their pathetic position. it does not mean inviting a child rapist into you home or stand by while your wife is abused. To not act at such a time is wrong.

To act as some here have said, to assume good intent where there is not, to put those who need protection at risk is not Christian, it is the actions of a dick-less pussy-men. You may feel better about yourself, but those you had a obligation to protect form evil and did not might not share that good feeling. Foe evil to triumph only requires good men do nothing.

There is a protestant theologian I read named Tillich or something like that who talks about "the courage to be". Talking action means you may make a mistake, and you may be defeated. That is what it means to be a man.

I think Vox has more right on his side in this than his detractors here, though perhaps I have missed the central points, feel free to correct my errors.

Blogger Stilicho June 14, 2017 3:07 PM  

@STG I thought that Chica he married was going to keep him young. Might not be senility, could be too much Cuervo and physical... exhaustion

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2017 3:08 PM  

He kept screaming, almost in a frightened manner

I think he was frightened. I'm surprised he picked a young, fit man to try to rob.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 14, 2017 3:08 PM  

@34 - The Church teaches than no man’s birth bars him from being baptized, and that all baptized Christians are my brethren. Racism teaches that one’s character, ideals, and loyalties are fated by birth, and that enmity between certain bloodlines is inevitable. Hence, racism is mutually exclusive with the teachings of Christ.

First: those are not mutually exclusive propositions. You are confounding the individual ('no man is barred from baptism') with the collective ('enmity between bloodlines').

Second: your definition of "racism" is not the definition of alt-right ideals or of what I would call 'race realism.' Observable evidence suggests that race, which is to say genetics, has a strong influence on one's character, ideals, and loyalties. DNA biases and shifts the bell curve for any given characteristic. But there's still a bell curve.

Third: a man can be my brother in Christ and still choose to live separately from me due to differences of opinion on earthly matters. If living separately leads to peace where living together would lead to conflict, then living separately would be the Christian thing to do.

God will deal with the underlying issues...genetic or otherwise...in the next life. For now we have to deal with the realities of this fallen world. And the reality is this: mass migration and mixing of disparate races and cultures is leading to crime, conflict, and a dramatic increase in sin. If it is not stopped it may ultimately lead to war.

Blogger tz June 14, 2017 3:09 PM  

The good samaritan loved his "enemy" the jew that was injured.
Jesus did not love the pharisees and scribes, the sons of the devil, the brood of vipers, who were his enemies, except maybe at some theoretical level since he created them, but they became totally corrupt.

When you shoot a rabid dog, you don't do so because you hate dogs, but the creature is no longer your lovable puppy and is dangerous.

The Gospel doesn't call us to be stupid or insane. Civil disobedience only works against Cristians or righteous pagans who are hypocritical at some level, not against demonic sadists.

Even Narnia - Aslan Sacrificed, then killed the witch.

Anonymous DaveInjustice June 14, 2017 3:10 PM  

"In the New Testament, you're supposed to "love your enemies"."

The Nu Testament says Love thy Rapist

"Glock model 27 .40 caliber"

Heh, Gay.

Blogger VD June 14, 2017 3:13 PM  

In the New Testament, you're supposed to "love your enemies". That should make it absolutely clear that racism is wrong, especially if other races wish to do us harm.

It doesn't do that at all.

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Anonymous rienzi June 14, 2017 3:26 PM  

I'm with Josh on this one. Read the whole thing at Heartiste, and if I were betting would bet that this is a fake, a well-meaning fake, but a fake non-the-less.

The giveaway, for me, is his complete description of his own, badass pistol, which he didn't have with him, so why bring it up in the first place, except to signal what a badass dude you are? Also the complete description of his knife. Where else do you see that except in bad fiction? Who talks like that except a wannabe?

Gamma secret king is my guess. Would also bet that the closest he ever came to the Marines is walking by the door of a recruiting station once. If he ever was actually in the Marines, God help the Corps.

Blogger VD June 14, 2017 3:27 PM  

It occurs to me that the entire basis of Churchianity comes down to one thing: the belief that your neighbor is your enemy.

Analyze and discuss.

Anonymous BBGKB June 14, 2017 3:32 PM  

IF you are thinking of shooting a didndu with its own gun remember they can be too stupid to load the correct caliber. http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/criminals-and-the-guns-they-carry

I'm also not buying someone being stabbed in the gut and choosing to run before shooting

From above link "It was quite shocking to me to note that many of the guns we seized were unloaded! Here’s the breakdown Unloaded- 24 (28%)"

In the New Testament, you're supposed to "love your enemies".

Can Catholics insist that their enemy wear a condom? Didn't some guy in the new testament flip over some tables and chase crooked merchants around with a whip?

Diesels definitely do need to warm up,

In Maine people have plug in engine heaters on gasoline cars.

Blogger #7139 June 14, 2017 3:37 PM  

Sometimes the best way to love your enemies is to bless them with large caliber lead projectiles.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 14, 2017 3:39 PM  

No such thing as racism. It is a made-up word like "hate crime" that means many things to many people. Either everyone is a racist or no one is. Some call it Communist propaganda. That meme is owned by the left and is almost always used as an anti-white weapon. Whites can't win playing that game. Stop it.

Blogger DeploraBard June 14, 2017 3:39 PM  

Marine reaching for a Glock? Cue Nate going batshit crazy.

Blogger Steve Moss June 14, 2017 3:40 PM  

fop- You are right. 'Shiv' does sound a bit off, when it comes to a Marine describing his knife. My brain locked on the use of hilt.

I'm not saying the writer is a fake. I don't know him so can't make that judgement. But there are some eyebrow raising terms in the narrative.

Blogger Phat Repat June 14, 2017 3:42 PM  

VD wrote:It occurs to me that the entire basis of Churchianity comes down to one thing: the belief that your neighbor is your enemy.

Analyze and discuss.


Shirley you jest? Churchians? No, broader, Whites; PERIOD. Sense of community is long gone. Not until this system crashes will a semblance of normality or community (especially among whites) return. Pain must be felt, until then, Whites, not just Churchians, are their own worst enemies, irrespective of their neighbors.

Blogger DeploraBard June 14, 2017 3:42 PM  

70) Judeo Christ says there is no difference

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 3:42 PM  

It is a made-up word

No, it's a repurposed word. Originally, racism meant a certain type of racial theory, in which blacks and certain other races were from a pre-Adamite race.

Blogger Nate June 14, 2017 3:43 PM  

count me among those who are deeply skeptical of this. first and foremost... because if this was actually true... writing about on the internet is not smart. There is 0 benefit... and lots of downside.

Blogger Nate June 14, 2017 3:44 PM  

". Sense of community is long gone. Not until this system crashes will a semblance of normality or community (especially among whites) return."

I have no idea where you live... but that is simply not true in the South. here neighbors look our for each other as a matter of community. Our neighborhood is like an extended family.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 14, 2017 3:44 PM  

When the Marine reached for his "piece" it wasn't there, so he found his shiv instead. Fixed.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 3:45 PM  

It's very difficult to bootstrap a word you just invented with universal negative connotations. It's much easier to repurpose a word that has already received those connotations, like racial theory had.

Blogger DeploraBard June 14, 2017 3:46 PM  

"You have heard it said, if your enemy demands your car keys, give them to him."
"But I say unto you, give him the keys to your wife's car as well."
Judeo Christ

Blogger Wanderer June 14, 2017 3:50 PM  

"Love your enemies" doesn't mean to always be nice and supplicating and allow feral Africans to rape your wife ffs.

Love in the Bible is almost always what we know today as "tough love". Jesus showed love to his enemies by grabbing a whip and beating them up and kicking them out of the temple.

Blogger Chiva June 14, 2017 3:51 PM  

"the belief that your neighbor is your enemy."

If I was a hypocrite then this belief would be entirely true.
Telling my neighbors to do what is destructive to their own preservation while neglecting to do so myself.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 14, 2017 3:52 PM  

@78 Markku, I'm a Boomer, so don't argue with me. Respect your elders. I have the same birthday as Vox Day too, August 21.

Blogger Elocutioner June 14, 2017 3:55 PM  

For churchians the Bible is a living document, twisted to fit the times. Nevermind that it's the same book that the Popes who led the Crusades studied.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 3:55 PM  

I'm a Boomer, so don't argue with me

I see. So, not worth my time then.

Blogger bw June 14, 2017 3:56 PM  

entire basis of Churchianity comes down to one thing: the belief that your neighbor is your enemy

ie. improper and UnChristian self-doubt and loathing and "unworthy" even tho supposedly "victorious conquerer in Christ".
They love their enemy more than their self.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 3:56 PM  

Aquinas defined love as "To will the good of the other". To will that their soul be saved, to will that they get their heads right. That requires hard talk and sometimes physical consequences to their actions. Not this nicey-nicey, never hurt their feelings crap.

VD wrote:It occurs to me that the entire basis of Churchianity comes down to one thing: the belief that your neighbor is your enemy.

Analyze and discuss.

Only if you define your father as your neighbor and your enemy. It's all about punishing your father.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 3:57 PM  

Markku wrote:No, it's a repurposed word. Originally, racism meant a certain type of racial theory, in which blacks and certain other races were from a pre-Adamite race.
Given what we know of human descent and pre-history, this is almost justifiable.
I'd have to see the argument though.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:00 PM  

"echthros", "enemy", literally means "hated". Anyone who you have negative feelings for, is your "enemy". We get confused because we think enemy only as ISIS and whatnot. A much more fitting example of an actual enemy is John Scalzi.

Anonymous Jim Scrummy June 14, 2017 4:02 PM  

So, the moral of this story is to stay out of the S-hole known as Baltimore, MD. I would also include the "Free State" of Maryland, since self-defense is optional for defending oneself from a potential murderous thugee.

OpenID kbswift June 14, 2017 4:03 PM  

Churchianity does seem like a perverse version of keeping up the Joneses.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 14, 2017 4:04 PM  

Elocutioner wrote:For churchians the Bible is a living document, twisted to fit the times. Nevermind that it's the same book that the Popes who led the Crusades studied.

Note even close alas. The Bible has been translated a great many times since then and altered by political fiat many many times.

For example, a good Catholic might be familiar with Bel and the Dragon from Daniel or the book of Tobit , that Pope certainly would but as someone raised with the KJV , never heard of them.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:05 PM  

Finnish Bible translates it with a word that would literally translate to English as "hate-man".

Blogger bw June 14, 2017 4:05 PM  

punishing your father

ie. taking on the lying script of "unloved"

It's rhetoric. The (fake) confidence in what they rhetorically claim to believe. Word games, as if the words are the thing itself, not truly believing TheWord IS THE thing Itself.
Of course we could just simply note that they feelz Judeo Marxism as supreme morality, while having literally no idea what it is, and barely having ever heard of it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 4:08 PM  

"Seigneur de la Chateau Heartiste,

I have been considering this correspondence for some time now, my delay being in part to the rigors and schedule of my work as a welder and construction superintendent, and also in part due to my recovery which has been longer than anticipated."

This is why it's fake. Unless your name is Holick. Then you'd ironically be an ex Marine. Holick, if you're out there, come see me. I still want to stomp a mudhole in your nasty, weak, unsat body.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:11 PM  

With the English word "enemy" your mind immediately goes to the most extreme individuals - those who seek to conquer your country. What the Jewish hearer would probably have thought of, rather, is that annoying moneychanger who always shortchanges him on the temple shekel.

Anonymous Anonymous June 14, 2017 4:14 PM  

-- The only word which struck me as strange was the writer's use of "hilt" to describe a pistol's grip. --

What, you're not from the 13th Century?!

- Vincent

Anonymous Battlefrog June 14, 2017 4:14 PM  

The Hi-Point really makes this feel like bad 4chanesque larping. Except as a novelty item, only a law abiding dirt poor bastard would be caught dead with a Hi-Point.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 14, 2017 4:16 PM  

Well Churchians sure do use the phrase "love thy neighbor" constantly when it comes to actual enemies.

You pipe up about the jihads? Here they come at you saying, "Love thy neighbor".

You pipe up because they want boys and men to be in the showers with your daughters? Here they come again with it.

Same thing in Baltimore. You know the police were having some success fighting crime before Freddy Gray, because they were very aggressive. Scary even, I'm telling you, you did not even want to look at them funny in Baltimore. Now they're told to "Love thy neighbor" and get more into community policing. (And the streets of Baltimore are bedlam now, btw. worse than ever).

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:16 PM  

And therefore, with "loving your enemy", your mind goes to those exact activities that help the enemy rape and kill your wives and children.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:18 PM  

Whereas the first century Jew would have thought along the lines of greeting the moneychanger with a sunny smile and asking about his family, as you KNOW he's going to shortchange you again.

Blogger SouthRon June 14, 2017 4:19 PM  

It occurs to me that the entire basis of Churchianity comes down to one thing: the belief that your neighbor is your enemy.

That sounds backwards to me. I'd say it's the belief that your enemy is your neighbor. Bring them in, love them, care for them, park them next door, marry your children to them.

Saying your neighbor is your enemy sounds like my old neighborhood and homes association.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 4:21 PM  

Markku wrote:Finnish Bible translates it with a word that would literally translate to English as "hate-man".
Which, neighbor or enemy?

Finns....

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 14, 2017 4:21 PM  

I have no idea where you live... but that is simply not true in the South. here neighbors look our for each other as a matter of community. Our neighborhood is like an extended family.

Our cul de sac in our neighborhood is the same. So is our church.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:22 PM  

Which, neighbor or enemy?

Enemy = vihamies = hate-man
Neighbor = lähimmäinen = nearest-person

Blogger Phat Repat June 14, 2017 4:23 PM  

@80 Nate

Uh, the South. I'm not saying ALL people are that way; just many. And it's largely driven by the standard Sins. But back to my original point; the system is responsible for what ails us. And it must fail. And it will; the Summer will be especially hot. Good luck.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 14, 2017 4:26 PM  

"only a law abiding dirt poor bastard would be caught dead with a Hi-Point."

Their carbines are good fun for the $$, and I have found their customer service to be excellent.

Oh wait, I *am* a DPB.

Blogger FrankNorman June 14, 2017 4:26 PM  

Churchians pulling selected verses out of context and trying to turn the Sermon on the Mount into a suicide pact remind me of the retort General Patton had for people like that:
"Read the whole Bible, not just the parts you happen to like."

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 4:28 PM  

It's always easy to be a pacifist, when you are surrounded by people with guns who will NOT be pacifist.

Blogger James June 14, 2017 4:34 PM  

When you use the word racism or racist, be sure to define it. For instance, do you acknowledge that there are external physiological differences between the races? That would seem to be commonsense, not racism, but rabid leftists try to push the lie that race doesn't really exist, except when they are trying to redistribute wealth to the dindus or castigate someone of the White "race". Do you acknowledge that there are fundamental genetic differences between the races and that racial behavior or intelligence is as hardwired as White skin and nappy hair? Thought crime for the politically correct, but it seems that more and more people of all races are promoting the idea that HBD actually exists. Do you believe that Whites are inherently superior to other races? This seems to be the default racist position for most conservative Whites and is called being a White Supremacist. And it is manifestly not true. For example, blacks are superior at running', jumping', hollerin', and making a cesspool out of anywhere they live. Whites are pretty much superior at everything else. So, accept your level of racism, realize that institutional racism makes you unable to see that black dysfunction is a myth and only appears to exist because you expect them to accept responsibility for their actions, learn from their mistakes, and understand that they only have a 10,000 year history of "failed" accomplishments because you hurt their feelings and stole their greatest from them.

Blogger mgh June 14, 2017 4:40 PM  

The real problem is that in an effort to get along, or to show love to your neighbor, people allow others to continue do wrong. If you really love your neighbor you'll help him to see the light and stop doing wrong.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 4:41 PM  

I love my enemies so much, I'd send them all love letters, just like Frank Booth.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2017 4:46 PM  

I'd say it's the belief that your enemy is your neighbor.

It's both. The closer you are to the Churchian, the better he knows you, the more comfortable he is with hating you. But the more foreign someone is, the more likely the Churchian is to fall back on "love your neighbor."

Bergoglio is a perfect example. He's downright nasty with Catholics who claim to be obedient members of his flock, even his own cardinals, if they cross him in any way. He has plenty of condemnation for his neighbors who commit minor offenses against him. But present him with some murderous Muslims or blaspheming atheists, and all he can talk about is God's infinite mercy and how it's all cool, just do your best, Jesus will understand.

Anonymous Starsky June 14, 2017 4:57 PM  

It could not be clearer - "resist not evil", "love your enemies"...

Twist, turn, gyrate - to no avail.

Trying to graft Vox's ethic to this stem simply will not "take". Maybe 2,000 years ago when everyone was illiterate. Not now.

Forget about the "brutal honesty" Vox wishes to be known for - as a simple matter of long-term strategy, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think an ethic of war, hate, kill your enemies, etc - Vox's ethic - can be successfully grafted onto the religion of Love, resist not evil, and love your enemies.

Just won't happen.

The intelligent thing to do is acknowledge this, and be honest about our pagan ethic, and start looking for a pagan religion we can revive.

Or, we could be stupid, and repeat history's mistakes.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 14, 2017 4:58 PM  

The intelligent thing to do is acknowledge this, and be honest about our pagan ethic, and start looking for a pagan religion we can revive.

Not today, Satan

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 5:07 PM  

"resist not evil"

The illustration that comes after that, is a backhanded slap on the cheek (most people are right-handed). It's not the fault of Christianity that you are functionally illiterate.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 5:08 PM  

Fuck off Starsky.

Anonymous DaveInjustice June 14, 2017 5:13 PM  

"Bergoglio is a perfect example. He's downright nasty with Catholics who claim to be obedient members of his flock, even his own cardinals, if they cross him in any way. He has plenty of condemnation for his neighbors who commit minor offenses against him. But present him with some murderous Muslims or blaspheming atheists, and all he can talk about is God's infinite mercy and how it's all cool, just do your best, Jesus will understand"


Exactly the reason I really can't identify as a Catholic anymore. Christian yes, but Social Justice Pope is just a tiresome scold. Thanks to this site i'm not tempted to blame Christianity since churchianity is really to blame. I've been exploring other options, since I feel a strong pull to rediscover my faith, but i'm not using that as a reason to immerse myself in such a toxic theological environment as the current RC church or any number of the others. Considering Orthodox churches since they seem to date back to a much earlier time in the Catholic Church, but I guess they've gotten progressive in ways too. Albeit not as bad as some

Anonymous God hates cucks June 14, 2017 5:15 PM  

Situations like this are why Jesus gave us the golden rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

How hurt would you be if a non-white nation prevented you flooding into their nation and destroying their ethnicity and culture? If your OK with them not allowing that, than its reasonable for us to not allow it either.

"The intelligent thing to do is acknowledge this, and be honest about our pagan ethic, and start looking for a pagan religion we can revive.

Or, we could be stupid, and repeat history's mistakes."

So are you suggesting we Christians start being like those cool, tough, Vikings and start putting the heads of anyone opposed to Christianity on stakes?

Anonymous ReVengeance June 14, 2017 5:17 PM  

At least Hutch was never such a pussy.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 5:24 PM  

Starsky's attitude betrays religious LARPing. He doesn't understand that we don't believe in Christianity because we think it serves some purpose, but rather because its truth-claims are true. That Jesus was ACTUALLY resurrected, that Jesus is ACTUALLY the unique ("only-begotten") Son of God, that Jahweh ACTUALLY created the universe, and so forth. Since these are the facts we believe about the reality, the concept of changing religions is just laughable.

Anonymous Starsky June 14, 2017 5:28 PM  

"So are you suggesting we Christians start being like those cool, tough, Vikings and start putting the heads of anyone opposed to Christianity on stakes?"

I'm not suggesting you do anything.

I'm merely pointing out that you need a lot of mental gymnastics to make the ethic of this site compatible with Christianity - a lot of explaining away simple, clear, and obvious language - and that this kind of thing does not work in the long run.

You want to build a culture on clear, unified, simple lines - out of a harmonious whole - so that fissures and cracks and divisions don't begin to appear down the line.

If Vox wants his ethic and life philosophy to endure, it would make far more sense to base it on a religion that truly manifests his ethic of hate and war in clear language - an ethic that nowhere says confusingly "love your enemy" that then needs to be explained away - but one that clearly says "wage war on your enemies and destroy them." No ifs, buts, and ands about it.

Why do you need a "resist not evil" to be twisted and explained away to "really", deep down, mean to hate the evil person, when you can have a religion that says clearly what you like to believe?

Truth is, Old Testament Judaism would serve very well - no need to go as far as paganism, although the level of harshness in Vox's ethic would, it seems to me, fit better with paganism.

But no matter - Judaism is quite clear and explicit about hating one's enemies and waging war on them. Christianity is equally clear about doing the exact opposite.

Why not develop some kind of Judaism? You create a new kind of Judaism that says Christianity which abrogated the old law of hatred of enemies was a mistake, and you accept the spirit of Judaism just now realize it isn't limited to ethnic Jews.

Something like that.

But the heart transplant Vox is trying to do won't work.

Blogger Esmar Tuek June 14, 2017 5:31 PM  

To be racist is to be honest is to be racist

Anonymous Starsky June 14, 2017 5:34 PM  

Not at all, Markuu.

You believe in what you wish to believe - then try and twist Christianity to fit it because it is bound up with the "West". Truth has nothing to do with it for you. Its quite obvious.

My point is simply that you are trying to do the impossible and will simply undermine in the long run the kind of Western culture you wish to foster.

If the NT says love your enemies, you can bet in a few decades, after you expelled all the Muslims, all sorts of Western thinkers will arise and start to take this seriously.

Just as you are now trying to claim this "doesn't mean what it clearly says", in 50 years others will claim it means exactly what it clearly says.

And these ideals of hate your enemy and make war on him will be undermine.

Its self-undermining.

Why have these kinds of headaches?

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 5:35 PM  

You believe in what you wish to believe

YOU believe in what you wish to believe, and what you wish to believe is not suffering eternally in hell.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 14, 2017 5:43 PM  

Bare the neck if you wish, and your wife and children's too, Starsky. Leave us out of it, though.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 5:47 PM  

SiStarsky wrote:The intelligent thing to do is acknowledge this, and be honest about our pagan ethic, and start looking for a pagan religion we can revive.


I really really, really hate it when anti-Christians start lecturing me about what I believe. Do you, you ballless pseudo-pagan waste of meat, believe in the utter futility of human action? That's what actual Pagans believe.

Anonymous DaveInjustice June 14, 2017 5:51 PM  

:The intelligent thing to do is acknowledge this, and be honest about our pagan ethic, and start looking for a pagan religion we can revive. "


As appealing as it is deep in my Scots Irish genetics to run around brandishing a blade clad in littleore than Woad, for many reasons that would be a massive step backwards culturally

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2017 5:53 PM  

Exactly the reason I really can't identify as a Catholic anymore. Christian yes, but Social Justice Pope is just a tiresome scold.

He is, but the latter doesn't have to lead to the former. I'm Catholic because I believe the Catholic Church is the Church established by Jesus Christ, the one named in the Creed, and I assent to all of her eternal teachings. If Bergoglio does not, that may affect his status as a Catholic, but it doesn't affect mine.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 14, 2017 6:02 PM  

"There is no part of this city where a “good” neighborhood is less than 500 to 1000 meters from a slice of Mogadishu." XD LOL!

"The realization of its absence is when the blood truly drained from my face, and the icy cold reality of having to get out of my car and into the jaws of the beast to negotiate for my life set in."

Ah hell. I think my blood would've ran cold at that point.

"I unclipped my Benchmade 4.5″ Stryker knife when I felt him lean over me to look into the car and plunged the glinting tip of my shiv directly into his abdomen somewhere near his spleen. I pulled the knife out to go for a second thrust when I barely got the edge of his blue hooded sweatshirt as he was in Jessie Owens mode running for the street nearby to make his escape back to the shadows. It just goes to show that we are ceding Western Civilization without so much as a whimper, because the instant I became a hard target capable of presenting danger to him and taking his life, he ran like a spearchucking skinny after the last gazelle on the grassy plain."

I'll have to a look into knife to supplement my pistol. I also love the use of spearchucking skinny.

"The smiling southern belle who worked in the evidence lab gave me my knife back when I went to retrieve my car, smiling and thanking me for “marking” the son of a bitch while mentioning that she took the time to completely wash off all the blood for me. Had she not had a wedding band on, I might have asked her if she liked coffee, and if not, the company of handsome men."

Giggity.

"Also being a Marine, he also fought back, disarmed the vibrant, and broke his hand repeatedly punching the younger gentleman in the face."

Point of order, Vox. That dindu wasn't a gentleman. Almost none of them are FYI.

"The may issue states are CA, NY, NJ, MD, MA, Hawaii (I see some sort of trend)"

@17 When I was living in CA for work four years ago, it differed by county. My county (San Bernardino) was a shall issue county but had a two year backlog. You still had to register your pistols in Barstow (yes, you read that right, I lived there...it was 30 minutes from the NTC and even closer to MCLB Barstow where I worked as a federal contractor). Hence, I only brought my SKS and Remington 1187. They didn't need to be registered.

"The hi point and all other inexpensive weapons(keltec..etc) fill a critical need .. Had he pulled the trigger you would be just as dead as with a glock 17.."

@23 I got a Hi-Point. Nice pistol.

"Yeah, I'm going to go with fake. Marines have some... things. Reliable ways to trigger a response. And one of them is to say "former Marine", which means "dishonorably discharged Marine"."

@32 I always thought it was DD'ed if they said ex, not former Marine.

"Josh - forgot to mention no one except lawyers and landlords get permits in MD. Carrying cash is apparently more important than natural self defense."

@41 It might just get bad enough where law abiding citizens say screw this and just start carrying irrespective of local law.

"Except as a novelty item, only a law abiding dirt poor bastard would be caught dead with a Hi-Point."

@101 Consider me a dirt poor bastard then. It was a Christmas gift when I was 18.

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 6:09 PM  

@31 "I'm also not buying someone being stabbed in the gut and choosing to run before shooting."

On the other hand. some police dept actually tested all the guns they confiscated over a year -- fewer then 60% were operable! Some had no round, some had the wrong caliber, some were just broken and wouldn't fire. Nothing to bet your life on, but the dindu may have KNOWN he couldn't fire the thing...

Blogger roughcoat June 14, 2017 6:14 PM  

Nothing about the story struck me as implausible when I read it at the Chateau. And what's his motive? To show that he acted foolishly by being unarmed in a bad area with poor situational awareness, barely got away, and still got his ass beat in the process?

Marines make me chuckle, anyway. "Didn't kill attacker with just a steely glare; obviously fake." Right.

Blogger Doom June 14, 2017 6:24 PM  

There is absolutely nothing wrong with loving your enemy. I practice it. And, if, like even my brother, he goes evil, for his and all other's good, I will put him down, pray a little prayer if I have the time, and hide the body if necessary. SSS.

As things go, my community, save the leftards from the college town nearby, generally take pretty good care of me. Mostly dead, a bit grumpy from time to time, and I say it as I see it and don't fart around much on some things. Still, they... I suppose since the poison didn't work, they'll... let me stay. Seriously, I think.

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 6:25 PM  

@80 "that is simply not true in the South. here neighbors look our for each other as a matter of community. Our neighborhood is like an extended family."

Thank you, Nate. My eyebrow went up at that description, and I wondered if MY neighbors and I were somehow weird... (We're not all Southerners (by birth), but we all look out for each other and the children.) (Yes, of COURSE, we're all White!)

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 14, 2017 6:32 PM  

Lots of things about the story do sound awkward and like 6'3, ex-Finnish dudebro is trying to impress CH.

As a former US Marine, I am painfully aware of the security risks of Baltimore, and go out of my way to reduce my need to resort to force for survival. At approximately 10 PM, I sat in the driver’s seat with the engine running and texted a few friends while I let the engine warm up...

As a Marine, his response to a situation he knows is dangerous is to be so oblivious that he doesn't watch his surroundings and is so nonchalant that he doesn't know whether he's carrying? Even after a few drinks, it's not believable.

But then there's the part about how he would have asked the evidence tech out if she hadn't had a wedding band, and just a couple of paragraphs later he's talking about how much in love he and his girlfriend are.

Odds are he mouthed off to someone in a bar, got his face smashed, and made up a story to go along with his injuries.

Blogger roughcoat June 14, 2017 6:44 PM  

So, your argument is:

1. Marines don't ever make mistakes. Ever.
2. Marines are 100% monogamous and wouldn't even think about straying.

Wow, I didn't realize the Marine recruiters had such high standards. I suppose it's good I went into the Army instead, since I'm a mere mortal who would not measure up to the superhuman standards of the USMC.

Obviously he's being a bit flowery in his retelling. Maybe he's embellishing a tiny bit for the sake of the story. That doesn't make him a rank liar as you're claiming.

Blogger Chiva June 14, 2017 6:44 PM  

Why do you need a "resist not evil" to be twisted and explained away to "really", deep down, mean to hate the evil person


Yes, I despise the evil person. See Psalm 15.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 6:50 PM  

Year 2000: These imprecatory Psalms are horrible! How can this stuff be in the Bible? How could God have allowed His word to be thus perverted?
Year 2020: I can kind of see how these Psalms might have been written in their historical context.
Year 2030: Father in Heaven, happy shall he be who takes their little ones and dashes them against the rock!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 14, 2017 6:55 PM  

I suppose it's good I went into the Army instead, since I'm a mere mortal who would not measure up to the superhuman standards of the USMC.

If you say so.

Anonymous Joe June 14, 2017 6:57 PM  

Define racism. What about red and yellow, black and white all are, precious in His sight?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 14, 2017 7:05 PM  

Starsky wrote:It could not be clearer - "resist not evil", "love your enemies"...

Twist, turn, gyrate - to no avail.

Trying to graft Vox's ethic to this stem simply will not "take". Maybe 2,000 years ago when everyone was illiterate. Not now.

Forget about the "brutal honesty" Vox wishes to be known for - as a simple matter of long-term strategy, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think an ethic of war, hate, kill your enemies, etc - Vox's ethic - can be successfully grafted onto the religion of Love, resist not evil, and love your enemies.

Just won't happen.

The intelligent thing to do is acknowledge this, and be honest about our pagan ethic, and start looking for a pagan religion we can revive.

Or, we could be stupid, and repeat history's mistakes.


This is a smart post actually but don't expect it to get any traction around here.

This little part of the .Alt Right Internet is the Christendom bit and while not every one here is a practicing Christian, its the general consensus around these parts that in order to preserve the West as folks here see it, it needs to remain Christian or where the faith has lapsed to have a revival

The devout cannot be persuaded and frankly, its wasteful to even try. Save your breath.

That Christendom POV is a consistent and sound one given the general definition of The West that's used hereabouts

It may not come to pass though as White people for the most part are gradually reverting to older traditions, nature worship and heathenry to some degree.

This reversion is part and parcel of the environmental global warming hysteria as well, they just don't see it as a religious ideology when in reality, climate science is faith not science and the "scientists" are a kind of clergy

All that aside, none of the Pagan religions have the chops to return at least yet and their followers for the most part are not high quality people. There are exceptions of course but the ones I've met, a modest sample, do not impress.

I wouldn't bet Christianity out though when nearly all of its practitioners are Mestizo or African or Chinese, the faith will change in unrecognizable ways and unless it splinters, it won't revitalize the West

Frankly speaking it may well be a forlorn hope to assume people will suddenly start "being Christian" again and it might be well to have some plan that leaves us with something that we might see as Western if this doesn't occur . This rules out Islam

Its not probably going to be some blend of Hellenic Paganism or Asatru though, more likely its whatever comes after , a period without any organized religion than gradually folk religions become something more organized

That's assuming civilization survives or for that matter humanity does which is far from certain.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 7:11 PM  

Revelation is part of New Testament. Read through it with this thought: when there is a problem in Revelation, what is the answer of the Christians to the problem? You'll find that the answers fall in three categories.
-Killing the problem person (the Two Witnesses do this)
-Killing billions of people (the saints at Second Coming do this)
-Waiting a little bit, then killing billions of people (the Tribulation martyrs do this)

There is no problem in Revelation - NONE - to which the answer is not killing.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 7:13 PM  

If your model of Christianity doesn't account for this, your model of Christianity is a naive, Sunday School -one.

Blogger Mr Darcy June 14, 2017 7:20 PM  

@60:

It's far simpler than that. It has to do with the original Greek text. Turns out that there are two words for "enemy" in koine Greek: one for a personal enemy and the other for a public enemy (enemy of your people). Christ taught that we should love our personal (individual) enemy. He said nothing about the enemy of one's people (the public enemy). This boy has read the Bible in English and, of course, not understood that English is not the original language and that the original language had subtleties to it that are lost on readers like this kid.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 14, 2017 7:21 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:I really really, really hate it when anti-Christians start lecturing me about what I believe. Do you, you ballless pseudo-pagan waste of meat, believe in the utter futility of human action? That's what actual Pagans believe.

Its a sound way to live and its part of our culture too, "when your time is up, its up" is very Western way to see things , heck "God called them home" is something I've heard a time or two

Fact is you could die at any moment for any reason , could be some nut with a gun, could be a disease, could be an accident , anything

Doesn't make all actions futile right now , which I'll note is NOT what Pagans believed but ultimately in the long run, all human effort is futile. The Universe will end and everyone will be destroyed.

This cannot be avoided, we are not going to hide in some packet of information and the end of time. We can take efforts that help but you, me, everyone is on borrowed time.

This doesn't mean there isn't an afterlife or that life isn't an illusion or anything else but truth is, it really isn't something we can know.

Its faith. Which is fine. That faith provides meaning to action beyond kinship and survival

Frankly the return of the Pagan notion of fatalism scares the crap out of a lot of people as they fear that if we stop believing in non fatalistic ways of thinking, that progress we are addicted too will cease,

We will somehow not build or do things or think we can go to space . Its Whig nonsense , Hopeium and a faith in Progress being a benefit that makes up a huge chunk of the West as we know it.

That goes, in the minds of some Christians , so does the West

I don't agree, I've seen what the Pagan Romans and White Egyptians built, it will outlast everything we have built by a margin but I do get the underlying idea.

Blogger Mr Darcy June 14, 2017 7:27 PM  

@80 Nate:

Right. That's how it is here in my part of the South. People mind their manners. Take Charleston as an example: When Sharpton & Jackson & Co., showed up after the Dylan Roof incident, the people--white & black--sent them packing. There was no "trouble." Even in Atlanta and Charlotte and Birmingham there has been no real trouble--some wannabes, but nothing serious. Our civilization remains largely intact.

Blogger Mr Darcy June 14, 2017 7:32 PM  

@95:

You are quite wrong. You just don't know about the KJV OT Apocrypha, that's all. I have my great-grandmother's BCP with OT, OT Apoc., and NT. The Apocrypha is accepted and used in public services by Lutheran and Anglican churches everywhere.

Anonymous AT June 14, 2017 7:33 PM  

Almost all-left wing idiocy derived from the NT comes from the mis-application of Jesus' commands about our behavior within our own personal relationships.

- Giving to the poor becomes voting to forcibly take from one group and give to another.
- Sharing resources among a small group of Christians becomes voting for socialism.
- Loving your personal enemy and turning the other cheek becomes pacifism, despite multiple clear NT endorsements of the use of force to restrain evil.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 7:33 PM  

Paganism is the religion of Fatalism and Nihilism. It's worthless, and yes, any society that descends into Paganism, descends into savagery and idiocy. What is the most advanced, most successful, most genuinely Pagan society on the planet? Go look on Mumbai and tell me the glories of Paganism.

Blogger Mr Darcy June 14, 2017 7:42 PM  

@117 Starsky. You wrote:

It could not be clearer - "resist not evil", "love your enemies"...

Twist, turn, gyrate - to no avail. [...]"

I was going to ignore you because you are so obviously an untried, immature kid, so you think you know things that you really don't.

"Resist not evil" means "don't try to swim upstream." IT means "When things go wrong, accept what is and rely on God." IT does not mean what you say it so clearly means.

ETc. ETc. Your ignorance is appalling, but you are a kid, that's all. Untried. Inexperienced. Ignorant. And yet a know-it-all. What you should be doing at your age and at your low level of Biblical knowledge is listening and studying, not pontificating in a juvenile way.

"Be still, and know that I am God."

Be still.

Listen and read; don't talk.


Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 14, 2017 8:03 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Paganism is the religion of Fatalism and Nihilism. It's worthless, and yes, any society that descends into Paganism, descends into savagery and idiocy. What is the most advanced, most successful, most genuinely Pagan society on the planet? Go look on Mumbai and tell me the glories of Paganism.



Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt were highly successful prosperous societies, the later of which was the only developed society to survive the bronze age collapse

Pagan Rome also lasted thus far roughly twice as long as Christendom . Its was a workable, technologically advanced social order

As for modern societies, Hindus are Pantheists not precisely Pagans and while I think Hindu fatalism is probably part of the problem, its also far deeper than that, the culture is quite different than ours and far more clannish

No argument that the reduction in clannish behavior was a product of the Catholic Church, it may also end up killing the West

All that aside while Mumbai isn't great , its pretty prosperous

Infogalactic

Mumbai is the financial, commercial[23] and entertainment capital of India. It is also one of the world's top ten centres of commerce in terms of global financial flow,[24] generating 6.16% of India's GDP[25] and accounting for 25% of industrial output, 70% of maritime trade in India (Mumbai Port Trust and JNPT),[26] and 70% of capital transactions to India's economy.[27][28] The city houses important financial institutions such as the Reserve Bank of India, the Bombay Stock Exchange, the National Stock Exchange of India, the SEBI and the corporate headquarters of numerous Indian companies and multinational corporations. It is also home to some of India's premier scientific and nuclear institutes like BARC, NPCL, IREL, TIFR, AERB, AECI, and the Department of Atomic Energy. The city also houses India's Hindi (Bollywood) and Marathi film and television industry. Mumbai's business opportunities, as well as its potential to offer a higher standard of living,[29] attract migrants from all over India, making the city a melting pot of many communities and cultures.

Not a place I'd like but it works well enough

Ignoring religious implications , from a a social POV does this mean Heathendom is better than Christendom as a societal foundation? No. Its not.

Better than nothing though by far


Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 14, 2017 8:10 PM  

Mr Darcy wrote:@95:

You are quite wrong. You just don't know about the KJV OT Apocrypha, that's all. I have my great-grandmother's BCP with OT, OT Apoc., and NT. The Mr Darcy wrote:@95:

You are quite wrong. You just don't know about the KJV OT Apocrypha, that's all. I have my great-grandmother's BCP with OT, OT Apoc., and NT. The Apocrypha is accepted and used in public services by Lutheran and Anglican churches everywhere.

is accepted and used in public services by Lutheran and Anglican churches everywhere.



Fair enough. My family was either Protestant and/or Methodist though not Anglican or Lutheran.

I never saw it in my personal KJV Bible. I only saw it when a copy of the excellent Jerusalem translation fell into my lap and I read the entire thing (save Numbers or as my Grandma always called it Begats which even put me to sleep)

of course as the American Bible Society notes there are over 900 English language translations of the thing so there are going to be differences

Blogger dvdivx June 14, 2017 8:22 PM  

"Your neighbor" in the biblical sense would have been relatives and kinsmen. Those who has your culture and were probably distantly related to you. It did not include foreigners or invaders. Its always telling that wolfs in churches mock and degrade both earthly and the heavenly father.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 8:25 PM  

Originally, there was one version of KJV and it had the apocrypha. Then it was divided into two KJV's. The cheaper KJV doesn't have the apocrypha now. The more expensive "KJV Study Bible" does.

Blogger Billy Ray June 14, 2017 8:25 PM  

so let me get this straight, one black car jacker means every black is a criminal and we need to get rid of all blacks while at the same time ignoring all the white folks on wall st stealing BILLIONS. so how does one back car jacker make every black a criminal but the HUNDREDS of white crooks in gov't, fiance etc doesn't make every white a crook? oh right, the racist logic of the alt right

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 8:30 PM  

racist logic

Thanks.

Blogger Billy Ray June 14, 2017 8:32 PM  

143 Joe: Define racism. What about red and yellow, black and white all are, precious in His sight?

the alt right ignores that just like their KKK forebears did. just like the ignore white crime and blacks leading good christian lives. just like the left, they ignore whatever doesn't fit the narrative

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 14, 2017 8:38 PM  

@BillyRay,
Let me get this straight. You give HJs on street corners to pay for your crack?

Anonymous Jeet Heer June 14, 2017 8:42 PM  

"All that aside while Mumbai isn't great , its pretty prosperous"

Street shitters did nothing wrong.

Anonymous andon June 14, 2017 8:45 PM  

158. Blogger Billy Ray Joe Bob June 14, 2017 8:25 PM
so let me get this straight, one black car jacker means every black is a criminal and we need to get rid of all blacks while at the same time ignoring all the white folks on wall st stealing BILLIONS.


yeah, its those damn (((white folks))) on Wall St

Blogger Billy Ray June 14, 2017 8:55 PM  

Amazing how the alt right thinks blaming all blacks is the right idea while blacks blaming all whites is stupid

Blogger Ransom Smith June 14, 2017 8:57 PM  

the alt right ignores that just like their KKK forebears did.

On the contrary, the Alt Right loves blacks, asians, latins and all others.

IN THEIR OWN NATIONS.

Just not in ours.

Blogger tz June 14, 2017 9:08 PM  

Oh! The rapefugees in Sweden, Germany, and the others, although Muslims, are just "loving the enemy".

Anonymous andon June 14, 2017 9:11 PM  

164. Blogger Billy Ray June 14, 2017 8:55 PM
Amazing how the alt right thinks blaming all blacks is the right idea while blacks blaming all whites is stupid


blacks (and (((someone else)))) wants to blame all whites for what some whites (20%?) did 50 and 150 years ago, which is before most of us were even born. Then they pretend they dont know what you're talking about if you ask who is committing violent crime at 3-4x the rate and raping ~25,000 white women a year

Anonymous Jack June 14, 2017 9:26 PM  

"red and yellow / black and white / all are precious / in his sight."

Is that in Revelations, or is it Deuteronomy? I can't recall. Oh wait, I found it. It's in the Gospel according to St. Barney the Purple Dinosaur.

Blogger StatesRights June 14, 2017 9:31 PM  

I guess they never considered that I want to choose my neighbor.

Blogger Basil Makedon June 14, 2017 9:36 PM  

@164

People should not be held to account for the actions of others; however, to not notice patterns and trends is a denial of reality.

Blogger tz June 14, 2017 9:37 PM  

Half OT, but Zmirak socratic dialog shatters immigration objections

Blogger Cecil Henry June 14, 2017 9:54 PM  

This article sums up the issue quite nicely:


http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/06/civil-war-in-supermarket.html

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 14, 2017 10:00 PM  

53. Stg58/Animal Mother
That's another great thing about being a Hardshell Baptist.
None of that judeo -cuck Hippie dippie Jesus for us, no siree.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 14, 2017 10:07 PM  

157. Markku
My KJV Study Bible don't . You gotta watch those notes in some of those Study Bibles to,they try to sneak Judeo-cuck in .
I think I'm gonna get a Geneva Bible, I kinda like that one too.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 10:09 PM  

Hmm, ok. I don't remember anymore where I heard it, but I do remember the Apocrypha being associated with the words "Study Bible". Me, I don't have a KJV of any sort.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 10:12 PM  

Ah, THIS is what happened:

In 1826,[38] the National Bible Society of Scotland petitioned the British and Foreign Bible Society not to print the Apocrypha,[39] resulting in a decision that no BFBS funds were to pay for printing any Apocryphal books anywhere. Since that time most modern editions of the Bible and reprintings of the King James Bible omit the Apocrypha section.
---
So, I'm guessing that the remaining set of KJV's that don't belong to the "most", are the Study Bible versions.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 14, 2017 10:31 PM  

tz wrote:Half OT, but Zmirak socratic dialog shatters immigration objections

The Stream has a great many churchian cuckservative commentators, and a few Alt-Rightous folks. I occasionally troll the cucks there with hatefacts.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 14, 2017 10:54 PM  

Starsky wrote:I'm merely pointing out that you need a lot of mental gymnastics to make the ethic of this site compatible with Christianity - a lot of explaining away simple, clear, and obvious language - and that this kind of thing does not work in the long run.

The ethics of our host, and many of the commenters, are Christian ethics. They are the ethics we see in the Old Testament that God taught through the centuries. They are the ethics that God's Son taught 2,000 years ago. They are the ethics Christians have followed for a little over 2,000 years.

These ethics are not compatible with churchianity, a set of Christian heresies which have sprung up in the past century or so. You obviously have mistaken the fake for the original.

Blogger Markku June 14, 2017 11:02 PM  

Again, the people who have the Sunday School idea, clearly haven't read Revelation. And few people ever do. If they did, they'd notice that we're back to being even MORE bloody than the Old Testament ever was. THIS IS CHRISTIANITY. All denominations agree that Revelation is New Testament scripture. So, what now?

What now, is understanding that Jesus wasn't singing the praises of pacifism. Rather, he gave it as a particular strategy for a particular era. Era, which would come to an end.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 14, 2017 11:08 PM  

VD wrote:It occurs to me that the entire basis of Churchianity comes down to one thing: the belief that your neighbor is your enemy.

You are to love your neighbor as yourself, and you are to love your enemy. Obviously then there is no operational difference, to a churchian, between neighbors and enemies.

The very distant dindu is a romantic, noble savage, while your White literal neighbor is a known annoyance with faults you are actually aware of. If you have a love of novelty, contempt for the familiar and a high disgust threshold, it makes sense to import the Noble Dindu to replace the irritating White.

It is not safe to criticize any non-White. You might be called rayciss, and you might get your head chopped off. White cucks don't do that stuff, so it's safe to criticize them.

Churchianism seems to me to boil down to a rejection of God and His Son, coupled with a desire to retain the bank accounts and residual respect of formerly Christian institutions. ``Your neighbor is your enemy'' is the result of selling out to Satan.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 14, 2017 11:31 PM  

Churchian the female hierarchy imperative come church. You were warned Christians

Anonymous VenomFroggy June 14, 2017 11:55 PM  

So, VD. You claim that racism is not a sin; so if racism is not a sin, then, what are we to do with all those blacks who voted for Trump (aka the God-Emperor), then? What about the blacks who are on the MAGA train right along with you and I? Shall we just....dismiss them as undesirables and write 'em off right along with the BLM dindus just because they're black? Because, frankly, I see no other destination for train ride to end. Oh, and speaking of the BLM, if racism is not a sin, then, by that same logic, the BLM is doing the right thing and is pleasing our Lord Jesus Christ by hating on whites just because they white. Are you SURE this is the path you want to go down, VD? Or am I misunderstanding you? Because I sincerely hope I am.

Anonymous Viiidad June 15, 2017 12:31 AM  

VenomFroggy wrote:So, VD. You claim that racism is not a sin; so if racism is not a sin, then, what are we to do with all those blacks who voted for Trump (aka the God-Emperor), then? What about the blacks who are on the MAGA train right along with you and I? Shall we just....dismiss them as undesirables and write 'em off right along with the BLM dindus just because they're black? Because, frankly, I see no other destination for train ride to end. Oh, and speaking of the BLM, if racism is not a sin, then, by that same logic, the BLM is doing the right thing and is pleasing our Lord Jesus Christ by hating on whites just because they white. Are you SURE this is the path you want to go down, VD? Or am I misunderstanding you? Because I sincerely hope I am.

Holy nuts you are stupid. Seriously, irredeemably stupid.

Blogger SirHamster June 15, 2017 12:59 AM  

Markku wrote:What now, is understanding that Jesus wasn't singing the praises of pacifism. Rather, he gave it as a particular strategy for a particular era. Era, which would come to an end.

Christ's ambassadors are giving the rebels one final tearful plea before He makes the rubble bounce.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2017 1:06 AM  

He couldn't even read who posted that racism isn't a sin.
Hint: It wasn't Vox.

Show me in the bible where God forbids racism.

Anonymous VenomFroggy June 15, 2017 1:11 AM  

@183: In other words, you only have insults to counter my argument. You lose.

Anonymous Starsky June 15, 2017 1:39 AM  

@Mr Darcy,

Like I said, mental gymnastics.

National enemies are by definition personal enemies - national enemies are merely a sub-set of personal enemies.

The NT uses the most comprehensive and general term for enemy available, without going into technical details.

You may think you're being ingenious, and indeed many in the later Middle Ages did so, but this kind of thing does not work in the long run.

Its mental gymnastics. It won't last...

But very well, let us take your interpretation - this means that the black criminal who mugs you, you may neither hate him nor resist him using violence.

The individual of another race who wrongs you, curses you, hates you, despitefully uses you, and persecutes you - you must love him, you may neither hate him, nor retaliate against him, nor even resist him using violence.

Is this what the position are you are prepared to defend?

This attitude is not what I see on this site...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2017 1:47 AM  

Starsky wrote:The individual of another race who wrongs you, curses you, hates you, despitefully uses you, and persecutes you - you must love him, you may neither hate him, nor retaliate against him, nor even resist him using violence.You must love him. You must kill him only out of determination and not out of any lust for revenge. You must beat him only to instill the lesson of manners and his own mortality.
You really have no idea what the hell you are talking about. It's not like this a new topic that losers like you came up with 2 years ago to confound those awful Christians.
Go read Aquinas and learn something, then come back and start lecturing us. Oh, wait, you're not capable of understanding Aquinas.

Anonymous Starsky June 15, 2017 2:29 AM  

"whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also"

Doesn't exactly sound like you must kill your personal enemy out of determination, or to instill in him the lesson of his own mortality...

Point is, Snidely, you can interpret this any way you wish...for now...you may have the most ingenious and clever explanations...

But there will come a time, when other mean will take this to mean exactly what it says...the plain meaning of the words have too strong a pull..

Why open oneself up to this possibility?

Why not choose or create a religion that plainly and clearly expresses your ideals?

Judaism is like that - there is no ambiguity. Its simple. Hate and destroy your enemies. An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth.

Islam is also simple and clear - fight to subdue the whole world.

No clever ingenuity required.

What you are doing, Snidely, is giving your future enemies rope with which to hang you. Why do that?

Anonymous Dan 859 June 15, 2017 2:30 AM  

In my previous life, I was a cop for 22 years and spent 10 of that in investigations. I find it hard to believe the account of the attack. He's being pistol whipped to the point he's on the verge of unconsciousness, stabs the bad guy, then drives himself to the police station. Really? Given his description of what happened, he should be bleeding like a stuck pig. Nobody at the PD calls him an ambulance? He doesn't go to the hospital? At the very least, he has a concussion, and possibly skull fractures. There's no way the cops aren't calling an ambulance and getting him transported to the hospital. Then, the next day, he goes back to the PD to pick up his car and knife. I can see them giving the car back if they're done processing it, but not the knife. If you accept his story at face value, yes he was assaulted, and yes, his use of force was justified, but he also committed a felony assault. At the very least, the police are going to do a crime report with him as the suspect, even if they don't arrest him due to the circumstances and evidence. His knife is evidence and they're simply not going to just give it back to him, much less wash it off for him. There's no way I can believe the story as he presented it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2017 2:39 AM  

Starsky wrote:Why open oneself up to this possibility?

Why not choose or create a religion that plainly and clearly expresses your ideals?


Because, unlike you, I don't lie to myself.

Blogger Guy June 15, 2017 3:33 AM  

James 2 shows that racism is indeed a sin. The sin of partiality. We are not to differentiate neighbours by their perceived status, if at all only by their actions.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 5:10 AM  

James 2 shows that racism is indeed a sin. The sin of partiality. We are not to differentiate neighbours by their perceived status, if at all only by their actions.

It doesn't say anything about actions. Or about race. Is it a sin to only let people who live in Florida vote there? Or is that committing the sin of partiality?

Blogger Guy June 15, 2017 5:34 AM  

It doesn't say anything about actions. Or about race. Is it a sin to only let people who live in Florida vote there? Or is that committing the sin of partiality?

Of course any discernment in and of itself isn't a sin. We are called to discern (Matthew 7:6). But we are to treat our neighbours without favouritism, that is clear (James 2). Therefore we should love our neighbours without being pushovers. It's a call to address the individual rather than the group. We are called to love, and racist thoughts and behaviours will make Christians stumble when dealing with people. However as for national based actions, I'm not sure. Responsibly getting the truths about race out there will help, such as IQ.

Anonymous Noname June 15, 2017 9:12 AM  

Vox,

When it says to love your enemy it does not mean the person who is trying to kill you or an evil person. Context.. Enemy in this context is a member of your community, church, maybe even family whom for whatever reason there is a huge falling out. "Probably a Gamma involved somewhere". By openly showing love to someone in this context you will either win them over or expose them for who they really are.

Blogger Nathan June 15, 2017 11:33 AM  

It one thing to laugh off people calling you a racist. This I understand. I also understand posts talking about the probability of increased dangers when dealing with other races or ethnic groups.

...but this post defends racism, doesn't it?

So, such that I am tracking with what is being said here, what is the definition of racism being used?

Blogger Kentucky Packrat June 15, 2017 12:09 PM  

Markku wrote:Revelation is part of New Testament. Read through it with this thought: when there is a problem in Revelation, what is the answer of the Christians to the problem? You'll find that the answers fall in three categories.

-Killing the problem person (the Two Witnesses do this)

-Killing billions of people (the saints at Second Coming do this)

-Waiting a little bit, then killing billions of people (the Tribulation martyrs do this)

There is no problem in Revelation - NONE - to which the answer is not killing.


I just wanted to call out these two items in bold, because the saints don't kill anyone either time. Revelation is quite clear that this is why the Word comes out of Christ's mouth, sharper than a two-edged sword. Jesus speaks, and all the forces gathered against him at Armageddon die. It is Christ who does the acts.

If you accept Jesus as the Angel of the Lord, this is hardly the first time, either. He slayed the hundred-thousand troops arrayed against Israel, and probably executed the plague of death in Egypt as well.

The concept of Jesus as the pure pacifist is a fiction. Jesus came to Israel peacefully to try to save us all, and conquest and death wasn't on the agenda. Once everyone who is willed to live has had their chance, then God the Father will offer the seals to open, and the countdown starts. That is when people will find out that Jesus is very good, but He is NOT tame.

Blogger Cetera June 15, 2017 12:58 PM  

Putting this here for reference, as I'm way late to this discussion, and things have moved on. However, here's the official teaching on immigration from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws, and to assist in carrying civic burdens (CCC 2241).

Everything is on the table. A Christian nation may absolutely forbid any and all immigration, or place whatever restrictions on it they desire and deem appropriate. Immigrants must respect and obey those requirements, or get out. There is nothing un-Christian about any of that.

Blogger Steve Moss June 15, 2017 1:38 PM  

Rough coat- I served from 1984-88. The Marines I served with were not saints, myself included. I think it was more a function of being physically active, healthy young men and not an innate lack of morality.

We were also not super soldiers. Individually we were usually pretty tough but not masters of king fu. What makes Marines dangerous is unit cohesion. You get one of us alone in a fight you can win if your good enough. In a 5 v 5 mix up, the Marines are going to clean house.

So an individual Marine getting into a bad spot is not unusual. We're as stupid as any other young man.

Blogger Markku June 15, 2017 1:53 PM  

because the saints don't kill anyone either time

It says: Rev 19:14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses.

You could say this is only angels, or that the "armies" are there only to witness, but I don't think that's the case because just before that, the saints have been clothed in white linen, and from the language it seems that this is treated as a significant event. So, the mention of the army being clothed in white linen makes me think these are the saints, and they do participate in the massacre.

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