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Wednesday, June 14, 2017

London fire

It is reported to have been an accident, not arson or a terror attack, but I can't help but think that this is the sort of thing one usually expects to read about from the 19th century or see in undeveloped countries.
'A number of fatalities' confirmed as huge blaze 'sparked by faulty FRIDGE' engulfs 27-storey London tower block: Trapped residents build ropes from sheets and hurl themselves from windows. Several people are confirmed dead after a huge inferno broke out at a residential tower block in West London. Many residents believed to still be trapped inside the 27-storey building as it teeters on the brink of collapse. More than 600 residents desperately tried to escape the flames as the fire broke out in the middle of the night.

Jon Hall, former chief fire officer for the Midlands, who advised David Cameron's government said today: 'This is a Third-World type accident that represents a failure of every component of fire safety & building management.
Then again, it reminds me of the twin towers in Minneapolis that have long been known as "the ghettos in the sky". So, when is the candlelight vigil, or would that be considered redundant?

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Anonymous Earthenware June 14, 2017 5:02 AM  

A terrible tragedy of course, but I can't help noticing how much better built this tower was than the WTC towers, which collapsed due to smaller fires burning for a lesser duration.

Why would a cheap 1960's structure be more fire-resilient than the world's most expensive (at the time) skyscrapers?

Blogger Matthew Funk June 14, 2017 5:05 AM  

I have heard stories of them growing crops on dirt floors inside and using "self-fertilization methods" around those sky ghettos. It is truly baffling why they are tolerated. The "Tri Horn" towers off 31st and Blaisdell give Cedar Riverside a run for its money in this regard. There was a major police presence there Sunday night that could have been I.C.E. related, drug related, terror related or murder related. Place your bets here.

Blogger APL June 14, 2017 5:12 AM  

Earthenware: "but I can't help noticing how much better built this tower was than the WTC towers, "

Eh? WTT probably about three times taller, WTT structural damage due to foreign object impact. It's amazing they stood as long as they did.

Anonymous Nick June 14, 2017 5:12 AM  

I went to the Sky News live stream when I woke up and saw this. The minute I listened to had one third-world-named correspondent referring to another foreign correspondent, relating the experience of one of the residents, it was something along the lines of 'he had just broken his fast with the Iftar meal [for Ramadan] so he was awake and noticed the fire'. I have no doubt this fire was caused by shady, third-world behavior. Expect more fires, tramplings, building collapses, etc. as the "vibrant" invasion of Western Europe continues unabated.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy June 14, 2017 5:21 AM  

It looks like the fire went up and around the outside of the building rapidly, then spread to the interior. In particular, see https://archive.is/HB5ZT#selection-1369.0-1369.162 (“white cladding [] was installed on the building last year …”) and the photograph above https://archive.is/HB5ZT#selection-2111.0-2111.165 .

Blogger szopen June 14, 2017 5:24 AM  

_This_ is an example of real costs and dangers of immigration fromt he third world, not the terrorists.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy June 14, 2017 5:26 AM  

… which of course is a complete WTF. Covering your building with something flammable is the sort of reckless idiocy that one can only get away with when the local fire safety inspectors are corrupt to the level seen in the third world.

Okay, it would be a complete WTF if England hadn't turned itself into a third-world country run by third-world people.

Anonymous Magus June 14, 2017 5:28 AM  

What a tragedy. But we must not let this divide us. We stand firm. We stand in place. The fires of hell lick our toes, but we won't give in to fear.

Tower block fires are just a part of living in a major city.

Blogger wreckage June 14, 2017 5:35 AM  

If we stop cladding residential towers in flammable materials, the fires win!

Blogger Lovekraft June 14, 2017 5:43 AM  

There's also the 'Train in Tunnel' incident in Atlas Shrugged that signaled the decline of western standards.

Anonymous JAG June 14, 2017 5:47 AM  

The best thing we can do is to act like nothing happened, and carry on like always.

Anonymous Bz June 14, 2017 5:50 AM  

"Incendiary comments deliberately designed to inflame fraught situations should be investigated." -- The Guardian

Mayor of London innit, Sadiq Khan, seems more upset and active about this than terrorism for some reason.

Blogger The Kurgan June 14, 2017 5:53 AM  

Because jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. Even ponies know this by now.

Anonymous Bz June 14, 2017 5:58 AM  

'I have nothing. My passport was in there - it's gone. I'm meant to be flying to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj. Now I'm homeless.'

By the way, either it was a fridge that exploded, because those things are dangerous innit, or it could have been a drug lab, or maybe it was just your ordinary jihadi bomb operation.

Blogger Sillon Bono June 14, 2017 6:02 AM  

The Kurgan wrote:Because jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. Even ponies know this by now.

This is nothing like the WTC, not in size and structurally very different, looks like the building was made in the 70's, probably a mix of steel + concrete, it may burn fast but will not get so hot it will collapse easily, specially if firemen are being effective cooling down the lower floors.

It seems the fire originally spread from the outside and not from the inside, that makes a huge difference depending on the type of structure.

Also you had no passenger plane crashing, thus weakening or damaging the structure directly.

Having said this, I do not dispute theories about the WTC, just saying this is very different in many ways.

I hope the demolition is not rushed, and this incident is properly investigated.

It reminds me of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3750195/Muslim-train-driver-went-two-red-lights-crash-gone-without-food-drink-15-hours-Ramadan.html

Blogger JACIII June 14, 2017 6:03 AM  

Is this the plan? Cover the ghetto housing units in petroleum derived products and burn them out?

When this happens in Germany migrants will be shocked to learn that though they won't face trouble for rape, it's the death penalty for violating building codes.

Blogger F.D. Stephens June 14, 2017 6:05 AM  

The burning block is in White City. It's a lovely area, some might say vibrant.

Ben Judah, war correspondent and author of “This Is London: Life and Death in the World City," was quoted in a newspaper article:

"Judah encountered a Grenadian, now a successful cocaine dealer, who recalled moving to the White City estate in West London with his mother when he was 12.

‘We pitched up for a better life, but found ourselves right in the middle of a war zone,’ he recalled.

He said the estate ‘was way more corrupt . . . way more dangerous, more full of disillusion than anywhere in Grenada. Within six months of being here, I had lost 75 per cent of my morals.’"

Nice.

BBC has a television center in White City: "The figures showed that since February last year [2011] Salford averaged 291 crimes a month compared to 1,743 in the area around White City. This includes all reported crimes such as burglary and robbery."

Beautiful.

This is why the mayor of London is so keen to silence what he will be unable to staunch, which is a lot of talk about the kind of people who live in White City (who aren't white at all). And he will be desperate to stop that talk because it was Labour (particularly under Blair) who turned London into a white minority city to ensure its political ascendancy.

It's going to be an interesting couple of weeks.

Anonymous Steve Canyon June 14, 2017 6:07 AM  

Get a bunch of immigrants that group together in an enclave. Next, the bureaucrats demand a second language when hiring new bureaucrats charged with managing civil projects in that enclave. That pretty much limits the pool of applicants to legalized immigrants of that ethnic group. Of course, they bring their native ways of doing business with them, which includes various forms of nepotism, graft, and other quid pro quo deals that, if not illegal, are pretty darn close. Certainly schemes that no one of the native predominant group would certainly be permitted to get away with. The logical conclusion, which has been demonstrated here, is the deterioration into a place not much different than the one they left, save for the income to be garnered from social programs. Anyone that's been to L.A. can see this. Which is why they must go back.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 14, 2017 6:14 AM  

Why would a cheap 1960's structure be more fire-resilient than the world's most expensive (at the time) skyscrapers?

Because a London tower block is a huge concrete chimney filled with flats. The structure may stand, but everything inside is toast.

Blogger James Dixon June 14, 2017 6:18 AM  

> The best thing we can do is to act like nothing happened, and carry on like always.

When a public housing building filled with immigrants in a large city burns down? That's exactly what I plan to do.

Anonymous MDZ1985 June 14, 2017 6:20 AM  

Because it has a proper internal frame and not flimsy stringers holding up the floors. That only refers to towers 1 and 2, of course.

Anonymous MDZ1985 June 14, 2017 6:23 AM  

Crap, my comment was in answer to #1. Sorry.

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2017 6:27 AM  

"By the way, either it was a fridge that exploded, because those things are dangerous innit, or it could have been a drug lab, or maybe it was just your ordinary jihadi bomb operation."

It could have been a barbecue gone awry.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 14, 2017 6:29 AM  

No doubt he'll be indicted for hate speech: “'This is a Third-World type accident that represents a failure of every component of fire safety & building management.”

This is what you get when diversity makes meritocracy impossible. Importing 3rd-world savages lowers average IQ, and changes cultural norms developed over centuries to optimize society and support its maintenance. Instead of striving for high quality, diversity promotes a race to the bottom of cutting corners, and reversion to a zero-sum game that the only way to get ahead is to scam the other guy before he does it to you.

You see it in every underdeveloped country: When competence is curtailed, corruption and a perpetual level of chaos are inevitable.

Blogger YIH June 14, 2017 6:44 AM  

CNN coverage.
Lot of pics, lot of vibrancy. Reports over the radio are saying that the tower is moving and may collapse at any moment.
-- Residents say they were told to stay in their apartments.
Sounds like a great plan to me /sarc

Blogger roughcoat June 14, 2017 6:48 AM  

No working fire alarms, no sprinklers, and only one staircase? I didn't realize third world enrichment meant bringing their building practices to the West too.

I guess the silver lining is now we know what it was like in the bad old days of the late 19th century! We have diseases popping up in vibrant cities that have been eradicated in the first world for generations, and now we get a small scale reenactment of the Chicago fire. Brilliant.

When does the black death make its comeback? Anyone know?

Anonymous dr kill June 14, 2017 6:56 AM  

Now it could just be the photo coverage I have seen was of citizens with sloppy head bandaging, but I'm going with the Muslim theory. Ramadan in June means no food or drink from 5 am until after 10 pm. If you have ever seen the dignified (snort) way Muslims break their fast, it's easy to imagine all 600 electric woks, deep fryers, griddles, kettles turning on at once. The electro-magnetic signal from this tower was visible on the moon. But the good thing for them is if martyred during Ramadan, it's straight to paradise and double the virgins.

Blogger YIH June 14, 2017 6:56 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Cocoanut_Grove_fire
Boston, 1942
Charges Manslaughter, numerous building code and safety violations
Verdict Guilty
Convictions Manslaughter
Bet that won't happen in London

Blogger Midnight Avenue J June 14, 2017 6:59 AM  

roughcoat, if snakes keep dying the rodent population increases. Rodents carry plague. All the pieces, in their places.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/snake-fungal-disease-treatment-conservation/

Prairie dogs are a plague vector. A few people die of it every year, something like 6 or 7. Imagine entire cities, recently converted into open-air sewers for the sake of protecting immigrant feelz, overrun with rats and mice because snakes were dying off. Why, it's the Black Hole of Calcutta! Send your Mothers Theresa and brace yourself for the coming agony.

Me? I'll have to make extra popcorn.

Blogger Xmas June 14, 2017 7:02 AM  

The residents of the tower were complaining about power surges and other problems in the building for years. Corrupt local officials and building management did nothing after a smaller fire caused by a power surge burned one apartment. The building management put up signs telling residents to stay in their rooms in case of a fire.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 14, 2017 7:02 AM  

Inferno caused by Faulty Fridge, you say?

In a Ghetto Enclave Tower, you say?

In the middle of Ramadan, you say?

Heh. Sounds like somebody got caught cheating...

Anonymous Paul2017 June 14, 2017 7:03 AM  

This may be as factor:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183412/Could-fridge-burn-house-t-switch-packed-inflammable-insulation-toxic-gas-s-dangerous-appliance-all.html
Beko fridges are know to catch fire, When it it the news I got our landlord to fix his fridge in our house but then I am a paranoid WASP scared of fire, I'm not sure my neighbours are too bothered. It worries me that one day a neighbour will catch fire and the whole terrace will burn down. I am not going to live in a towerblock ever . No thank you.

Blogger dvdivx June 14, 2017 7:06 AM  

Third world people replace whites and third world accidents follow. Not news. Just like the trains constantly breaking down in New York from all the affirmative action hires and worthless east Indian supervisors. Only non white country with good infrastructure is Japan. Chins only looks good on the surface.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2017 7:17 AM  

The residents of the tower were complaining about power surges and other problems in the building for years.

Yes, it will be blamed on neglect by the building owners, if they're white. If not, all the blame will have to go to the builders (who are probably safely dead) and perhaps the refrigerator manufacturer. (Do Brits do class action lawsuits?) In any case, the solution will be more regulations on builders and landlords, plus calls for sympathy for the poor, hardworking residents who were only trying to assimilate and improve their lives.

Blogger YIH June 14, 2017 7:20 AM  

Paul2017 wrote:This may be as factor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183412/Could-fridge-burn-house-t-switch-packed-inflammable-insulation-toxic-gas-s-dangerous-appliance-all.html

Beko fridges are know to catch fire, When it it the news I got our landlord to fix his fridge in our house but then I am a paranoid WASP scared of fire, I'm not sure my neighbours are too bothered. It worries me that one day a neighbour will catch fire and the whole terrace will burn down. I am not going to live in a towerblock ever . No thank you.

No kidding: https://refsafety.beko.co.uk/
It has come to our attention that in a very small number of incidents, involving certain models of Beko branded frost free fridge freezers, it may be possible for the defrost timer (located at the back of the fridge) to fail, overheat and cause a potential fire hazard.
Uh, yeah.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt June 14, 2017 7:20 AM  

People in a high-rise screaming for help? Throwing themselves from windows as the flames surround them? Is it time to start dancing in the streets and giving candy to children yet?

Anonymous Baseball Savant June 14, 2017 7:25 AM  

Just to be clear, the building housed nothing but 3rd worlders?

Anonymous nobody June 14, 2017 7:26 AM  

3rd world

massive over-crowding in the poorer areas of London due to immigration

apartments have a family in each room doing their cooking - most likely initial cause

plus as the population is replaced 3rd world corruption becomes the norm - recent refurbishment so possibly used shoddy materials with a kickback to the inspectors

Blogger Ken Prescott June 14, 2017 7:34 AM  

"Why would a cheap 1960's structure be more fire-resilient than the world's most expensive (at the time) skyscrapers?"

The kinetic energy in each airliner's impact amounted to a pony nuke, and the structure was thus compromised.

Math is hard, eh, Barbie?

Blogger Ken Prescott June 14, 2017 7:39 AM  

"Because jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. Even ponies know this by now."

Get thee to a smithy.

Anonymous badhairday June 14, 2017 7:52 AM  

If this fire was due to a nutella deficiency or a midnight indoor Ramadan BBQ then it won't have been the first time.

However, its still a good time to check that your fridge/freezer has a good healthy air gap behind it and, if possible, is plugged into a socket that you can see.

Blogger 4499 June 14, 2017 7:55 AM  

I hope the paradise virgins had a chance to limber up beforehand.

Blogger CSAFarmer June 14, 2017 7:58 AM  

I think we can all take comfort in the diversity of the dead and missing, demonstrating what a world-class city Londonistan is. Keep calm and continue smoldering . . . I mean SOLDIERING on.

Blogger Gaiseric June 14, 2017 7:59 AM  

The only British people I saw in the photos accompanying the article were the firefighters. It IS a Third World accident, because that was a Third World building full of Third World people.

Blogger YIH June 14, 2017 7:59 AM  

Breaking: Shooting near congressional baseball game practice field
Reporting 50 rounds fired from a rifle (nogs usually don't use those), House Majority Whip hit.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 14, 2017 7:59 AM  

I hope the paradise virgins had a chance to limber up beforehand.

They misunderstand the "virgins" thing. When they die, they form a stable of 72 virgins, servicing blue-hair landwhales in Hell.

PA

Blogger Gordon June 14, 2017 8:08 AM  

Those Minneapolis towers are now known as Little Mogadishu, Vox. But you've been away.

Blogger Unknown June 14, 2017 8:15 AM  

I cant believe all you morons who are blaming it on immigrants. You really are sick racist bunch of cunts who think you are superior and are really scum

Anonymous ReVengeance June 14, 2017 8:24 AM  

*tsk, tsk*

I say, bad form on the flat fires, chaps.
Muslims aren't supposed to be cooking during Ramadan.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 14, 2017 8:27 AM  

Well since those migrants view themselves as morally superior, I have better things to do than virtue signal.

Allah willed this, who can deny it, even the idiot just above this post cannot deny Allah.

Anonymous nobody June 14, 2017 8:28 AM  

#48

the political-media class opened the borders for either cheap labor or cheap votes and covered up the negative consequences e.g. massive over crowding

so you get a family in each room doing their cooking

the ultimate blame for this lies with the corrupt and traitorous political-media class but the proximate cause is almost certainly immigration

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 8:41 AM  

@3 " WTT structural damage due to foreign object impact. It's amazing they stood as long as they did."

"Cause ah BELEIBES me my Mainstream Media! They doan NEVAH lie to me!! I is a true true beleiber!!!

(Grow up, read up, and wake up.)

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 8:42 AM  

Oh sorry, was that poop?

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 8:48 AM  

@5 " https://archive.is/HB5ZT#selection-2111.0-2111.165"

Go down to the picture captioned:
"The heat was said to be so intense that firefighters (shown) were unable to get close to the building, which was built in 1974"


Funny isn't it (or not!), how ALLLLL the exhausted firefighters are WHITE Brits?!

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 8:48 AM  

Oh, AND ALL men!!

Blogger szopen June 14, 2017 9:01 AM  

It's all about the probabilities. Morons are within all populations, bandits, idiots - you can find them everywhere. However, if you get a population where the IQ is lower, the probability that some of them will be moron rises rapidly. In a building full of whites it is possible that someone would be moron who could endanger the safety of everyone else. In a building full of non-whites it is no longer just a possibility.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke June 14, 2017 9:04 AM  

How many minutes did the building burn before the steel beams melted and it collapsed into it's own footprint?

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 9:04 AM  

@5 "The fire is said to have spread from the second floor to the roof of the enormous 120-flat block in just 15 minutes"

How can this be WITHOUT accelerants?! If the cladding OUTside was burning -- how did the fire manage to get INSIDE enough to set such an extremely FAST and deep and broad and wide fire?

Blogger Koanic June 14, 2017 9:05 AM  

That's a lotta kebab.

Who's hungry?

Blogger Midnight Avenue J June 14, 2017 9:09 AM  

Szopen, don't forget inbred. It's not just IQ that is depressed when you breed with your cousins.

My apathy is growing. My uncle, who really does NGAF about anyone's feelings and will say anything, said something along the lines of stupid people shouldn't breed. Because of the increasing size of my apathy, I told him that unfortunately they are the only people who are breeding...my SIL was aghast.when I said smart people are encouraged to put off having kids until xyz happens, and then have only two kids at most, you get fewer smarties. When you pay third worlders and the poor with food and shelter, they breed. The looks I got! They might not speak to me until Christmas. I shattered one of their shiny bubbles.

So, third worlders or not, the idiots are multiplying because we're dumb enough to feed the seagulls.

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 9:10 AM  

@15 "Also you had no passenger plane crashing, thus weakening or damaging the structure directly."

And you know for sure that an *ALUMINUM* plane can cut through steel and concrete, right? Oh, and most of that jet fuel (that cannot burn hot enough (physics!) to weaken steel) BURNED UP OUTSIDE THE BUILDING! Oh, and one of the those planes that clipped to corner of the tower, you *feel* weakened the 80+/- floor, which somehow allowed the bottom, say, FORTY floors to collapse?! AT nearly free-fall acceleration!?

Yup, yup, the MSM would NEVER lie to me!

(Grow up, read up, and wake up.)

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2017 9:19 AM  

How many minutes did the building burn before the steel beams melted and it collapsed into it's own footprint?

Buildings only do that when they have an array of massive steel columns running up through the center of them, because contrary to the belief of engineers and everyone else right up to the morning of 9/11, those things are a major weak point. They're basically giant sparklers. Also, the building has to be in New York City, not a different city like Madrid.

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 9:39 AM  

@35 "it may be possible for the defrost timer (located at the back of the fridge) to fail, overheat and cause a potential fire hazard.
Uh, yeah."

So hundreds and hundreds of these fridges all broke at the same time? Fire is fast, but one fridge -- even TEN fridges all breaking at thee same moment AND all causing a fire at the SAME moment... and then only 15 minutes to engulf 27 floors? SO unlikely!

I wonder if the FD will even bother to LOOK for accelerants!! (Beyond, say, bomb- and molotov cocktail-making material stored up in some apts?)

Blogger pyrrhus June 14, 2017 9:40 AM  

No sprinkler system? I don't see how the fire could spread so fast if there were one....Mandatory in the USA...

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 9:45 AM  

@39 "The kinetic energy in each airliner's impact amounted to a pony nuke, and the structure was thus compromised.
Math is hard, eh, Barbie?"

So, kinetic energy to the 81st floor in a structure designed to take a much larger (and multiple concurrent) hits -- and yet somehow the bottom 40 floors magically collapse at near free-fall acceleration?

Math IS hard -- you blind Barbie!!

"the structure was compromised"?!?
DO you still actually believe that? Even **NIST** has long-since chucked the "floors pancaked" crap?! (And, oh hey! Did you realize that 'pancaking' requires the 37 central pillars to REMAIN STANDING -- not magically fall apart into easily-truckable lengths?! Funny 'bout that, eh?!

(Grow up, read up, and wake up.)

Blogger praetorian June 14, 2017 9:46 AM  

NAFILT

Blogger robins111 June 14, 2017 9:47 AM  

32 years in the fire services, Pro Board Certified Fire Investigator.. The calling it an accidental fire at this point is absurd. It'll take weeks to determine the cause and likely the origin

Anonymous fop June 14, 2017 9:54 AM  

This is just part and parcel of living in a big city.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 14, 2017 9:57 AM  

Obviously Pepe is the cause of the fire, a racist, nazi anti-semitic, sexist and homophobic frog targeted innocent migrant colonizers for this awful tragedy.

Blogger Bill Halsey June 14, 2017 10:01 AM  

@60

yep, Idiocracy :)

Here the protagonist wakes up from a military experiment and is taken to a hospital not yet realising it's 500 years into the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leyn-oS5ASI

How it became that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9nVLXMhPc

When the movie first came out I enjoyed it as funny satire. But watching events unfold in the decade or so since, I now regard it as alarmingly prophetic



Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner June 14, 2017 10:29 AM  

Ramadan sure is hot. A moslem in Seattle arson attacked a packed gay bar called Neighbors on New Years Eve and fake news didn't cover it.

So, when is the candlelight vigil, or would that be considered redundant?

I wonder if there is a market for candles made out of pages of the koran, wax and bacon bits?

. I have no doubt this fire was caused by shady, third-world behavior. Expect more fires, tramplings, building collapses

If this is the case I wonder if anyone thought they were being chased by the fire? http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/wow-pulse-club-patron-admits-blocked-exit-club-condemning-gays-certain-death/

There's also the 'Train in Tunnel' incident in Atlas Shrugged that signaled the decline of western standards.

If only the right enemy was visiting for Pizza at the time. Breivik said Atlas Shrugged's train is fine.

By the way, either it was a fridge that exploded

First I had to worry my guns would sneak out of the house and start shooting people on their own, then my pressure cooker, & now my fridge could be a cold blooded killer.

When a public housing building filled with immigrants in a large city burns down? That's exactly what I plan to do

Dancing is always an option https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs

32 years in the fire services, Pro Board Certified Fire Investigator.. The calling it an accidental fire at this point is absurd

I have an alibi I was washing my hair at the time.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 14, 2017 10:42 AM  

Midnight Avenue J wrote:I shattered one of their shiny bubbles.
Meanie.
Midnight Avenue J wrote:They might not speak to me until Christmas.
No down side to being mean, then?

Anonymous DissidentRight June 14, 2017 10:45 AM  

Did any non-xenos die?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction June 14, 2017 11:51 AM  

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Blogger Theproductofafineeduction June 14, 2017 11:56 AM  

@1

@1

Because there is different types of construction and different stresses put on a building. Given that it is an apartment, and that it was built in the 70s, there is definitely a possibility that it could be PT rather than structural slab and beam. Even if it where like the twin towers, given that it is an apartment there was most likely more column supports since there isn't a requirement of having an open floor plan that is typical for office buildings. Additionally A 27 story tower will undergo much less wind stress than a tower that is 1,700 ft. I am working on a 44 story high and a mild breeze ground level can be between 30 to 60 mph winds 600 feet up depending on the direction of the wind. Building material costs for this tower, at least in regards to structure, wouldn't vary significantly relative to a class A high rise project due to code restrictions.

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Anonymous Toyota Motor Co. June 14, 2017 11:57 AM  

Third world types BBQing themselves is a side show, we are missing the important question. When the building cools down will they be able to start the Hilux?

Blogger Off The Wall June 14, 2017 12:03 PM  

@ Avalanche - check tin foil hat, outside betting is that it's a little too tight.

Anonymous daddynichol June 14, 2017 12:12 PM  

Vox: "So, when is the candlelight vigil, or would that be considered redundant?"

A Cruelty artist at his best.

Blogger APL June 14, 2017 12:16 PM  

Avalanche: "Oh, and most of that jet fuel (that cannot burn hot enough (physics!) to weaken steel)"

As a public service ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA


Avalanche: "kinetic energy to the 81st floor in a structure designed to take a much larger (and multiple concurrent) hits "

The World Trade towers were designed in the early '60s with an expectation that it would withstand a B707 which first went into service in 1957.

In actual fact, the WTC towers did pretty well considering they lasted two hours after the initial impact.

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Blogger S1AL June 14, 2017 12:52 PM  

Avalanche -

You don't know jack shit about metallurgy. If you can't immediately answer the question: "What is the difference between the liquidus and the solidus, and why does it matter?", then you have no business lecturing anyone on jet fuel and steel beams.

If you don't understand the interaction of basic physics well enough to grasp why massive, high-velocity planes can do dramatic structural damage on impact, then you *really* have no business commenting, much less lecturing.

Blogger Gordon June 14, 2017 1:10 PM  

Avalanche graduated from the Rosie O'Donnelly School of Metallurgy.

Blogger James Dixon June 14, 2017 1:24 PM  

> I wonder if there is a market for candles made out of pages of the koran, wax and bacon bits?

That sounds like a good test product. The only question is who would you get to carry it. I'd guess Amazon, Walmart, etc. are right out.

Anonymous MattnOKC June 14, 2017 1:38 PM  

According to Breitbart commenters, it's traditional to break the Ramadan fast on charcoal stoves and it's not unheard of for them to do in apartment flats.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/firefighters-battling-massive-blaze-in-london-high-rise/

Anonymous DirkH June 14, 2017 2:04 PM  

@82. S1AL June 14, 2017 12:52 PM
" If you don't understand the interaction of basic physics well enough to grasp why massive, high-velocity plane"

A passenger plane "massive"? The only thing massive about these tin cans are the engines.
So let's assume you use a MASSIVE club 300 meters long made from concrete and steel - a WTC-sized club - and cram it into a tin can 757 at 850 km an hour (a speed, BTW, that the tin can CANNOT REACH at high air density but DID! According to the GOVERNMENT!).
So what do you think remains?

Anonymous DirkH June 14, 2017 2:12 PM  

@39. Ken Prescott June 14, 2017 7:34 AM
" The kinetic energy in each airliner's impact amounted to a pony nuke, and the structure was thus compromised."

The kinetic energy in the two airliners was so high that it brought down three buildings. The third of which was still standing while the BBC reported it had collapsed. Kinetic energy is a lot like time travel.

Blogger S1AL June 14, 2017 2:13 PM  

Tin is not aluminum. Buildings are not made of solely "concrete and steel". You're failing to account for unavoidable structural degradation over time in a building subjected to constant micro-stress. You don't understand basic metallurgical principles. Hell, you don't even appear to understand energy transfer.

Blogger APL June 14, 2017 2:20 PM  

DIRKH: "The only thing massive about these tin cans are the engines."

In the construction of the world trade centre the only massive things were the superstructure, the steel reinforced supporting pillars. The rest of it is just plastic glass and aluminium cladding.

There probably wasn't a solid brick wall anywhere above the second level floor, it's all chip, gypsum board, plastic and glass.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 14, 2017 2:28 PM  

We have a number of cities, large and small that have been gutted or burned to the ground by fire in the past.....Chicago, San Francisco, are two that come to mind. Generally speaking, communities that have been destroyed by fire insist on effective firefighting resources and total authority to the Fire Marshal, to mitigate fire hazards, clearances, firebreaks, and separation of combustibles from spark. Experience with fire is a cruel way to learn, but the lessons are burned deep. Waverly, Tennessee, was a big experience....so was Bastrop, Texas, on the outskirts of Austin.

Blogger B.J. June 14, 2017 4:26 PM  

Vox, re: Minneapolis, I've been in the Crack Stacks and they are basically a pile of oily rags, waiting for a match to light them. Fully expect Cedar and Riverside neighborhood to become a walled-off Somali compound in 10-20 years.

Anonymous Crackpot Conspiracies by Post June 14, 2017 4:59 PM  

Was this a type of fridge that would be manufactured in Cheltenham, or was it an imported model that would be familiar to Directorate S?

I for one am willing to ignore the Mayor of London's "chilling speech" in favour of finding out the truth.

Anonymous BBGKB June 14, 2017 6:08 PM  

What if the fire was caused by a 3rd world moslem that had to be given a taxpayer paid class on how to use a toilet but didn't get a class on not cooking with charcoal indoors?

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 14, 2017 9:42 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:The kinetic energy in each airliner's impact amounted to a pony nuke
Not really.  Max takeoff weight of any of the 767 variants is 450,000 lb.  Figure 190,000 kg maximum at impact, at 400 mph (about 180 m/s) the kinetic energy is about 3.1 GJ—roughly half the chemical energy of a barrel of crude oil.  Pony nuke?  Puh-LEESE!

Math is hard, eh, Barbie?
For you, apparently.

YIH wrote:Reporting 50 rounds fired from a rifle (nogs usually don't use those)
Except in Chimpcongo now.  http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2017/06/rifles-again.html

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 10:09 PM  

@80 "Oh, and most of that jet fuel (that cannot burn hot enough (physics!) to weaken steel)"

As a public service ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

You don’t REALLY think the steel support beams in the WTC were made of 2" strips of steel do you?! How long did your “steelworker” leave that teeny strip of steel in his *powered* FORGE before bending it?

Look at here: http://i.imgur.com/YmFam.png
Try to imagine your “steelworker” bending THAT with his pinkie! (HE is the moron!)

Then look at this: http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2014/01/hijacked-airliner-attacking-world-trade-center-P.jpeg
Explain how THAT burning fuel somehow affected the support beams. Did or did not the fuel mostly burn up OUTSIDE the building. How, again, was that ‘burning fuel heat’ supposed to weaken the beams – when it was nowhere NEAR the beams? How long did was your “moron’s” tiny strip sitting in that powered FORGE – as against this jet fuel burning up in less than 2 minutes outside the building?!

No tin foil hats; the engineering is easy to see! (IF you look!)


@80 “In actual fact, the WTC towers did pretty well considering they lasted two hours after the initial impact.”
Look at that second picture again. Explain HOW damage to one outside corner resulted in the entire structure falling at free-fall acceleration (into its own footprint AND neatly cut into truckable lengths!). What did that strike do the other structural supports on all the floors below? How did that strike (described somewhere as a pencil being thrust through a screen door!) manage to disassemble the entire building, above AND below the hole in the side?

Look here: https://truththeory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/6132627208_703e5bd761.jpg
Explain how a strike and damage waaaay up there resulted in the entire damned building falling AT NEARLY FREE-FALL acceleration! (And yes, “even” NIST agreed with that speed -- and then ignored it!) Are you suggesting pancaking? (NIST dumped that idea. The timing does NOT allow for each floor to land on the floor below, it to let go, the two floors to fall and land on the next on floor and rip it loose and on and on through some 80+ floors. Free-fall acceleration: it’s on VIDEO!)

Read up:
https://infogalactic.com/info/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Structural_design

I don't need a degree in metallurgy to be able to watch real degreed, experienced, and respected metallurgists explain science and engineering proves the govt's lies are lies! I don't need more of an education in righting moments and structural balance than I got in the Navy decades ago, to be able to understand the detailed explanations of architects and engineers. (You know: http://www.ae911truth.org/ Maybe go check it out? Catch up on the research?)

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 10:23 PM  

@82 "If you don't understand the interaction of basic physics well enough to grasp why massive, high-velocity planes can do dramatic structural damage on impact, then you *really* have no business commenting, much less lecturing."

"dramatic structural damage on impact" -- did you LOOK at the pictures of the planes hitting the buildings? How is "structural" damage done when the plane didn't reach the main support structures?! (The 37 main support beams in the center shafts, remember them? Sliced at a neat 45-degree angle? LOTS of pix of those here: http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=42&MMN_position=68:68) (Ever bothered to look?)

I point again to the plane that clipped the CORNER (and burned up most of its fuel OUTSIDE the building) -- structural damage? To WHAT? Not the 37 main support beams in the center, not the tons of external support 'webbing' ALL around the rest of the building. Where was your dramatic *structural* damage? And how did it result in the BOTTOM of the building falling down?

Clearly you have NOT looked into the research-- and yes, it's a bit of a slog through solid information, DIS-information, and crazy information. I absolutely believe (some of) the folks investigating, as against the govt pretending and making stuff up to cover up crimes. IF you had actually looked into it -- you would also be looking askance!

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 10:29 PM  

@86 "So let's assume you use a MASSIVE club 300 meters long made from concrete and steel - a WTC-sized club - and cram it into a tin can 757 at 850 km an hour (a speed, BTW, that the tin can CANNOT REACH at high air density but DID! According to the GOVERNMENT!).
So what do you think remains?"

Ooh ooh! I know! Dirk! Call on me!!

One thing that the govt said remained was: The PASSPORT of a hijacker in the cockpit of one of the planes that hit the WTC! That paper passport flew OUT of his pocket, OUT of the plane that exploded and burned up (not EVEN the titanium engines were left, just like at the Pentagon!) OUT of the burning building, OUT of the collapsing building, and down and down into the piles of ash on the NYC streets where some cop found it!! See! I DID pay attention!

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 10:33 PM  

@89 "There probably wasn't a solid brick wall anywhere above the second level floor, it's all chip, gypsum board, plastic and glass."

All the FLOORS were concrete.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 14, 2017 10:36 PM  

"It could have been a barbecue gone awry"

Or a cooking fire.

"The kinetic energy in each airliner's impact amounted to a pony nuke, and the structure was thus compromised"

Which plane hit Building 7 again?

@64 pyrrhus
"No sprinkler system? I don't see how the fire could spread so fast if there were one....Mandatory in the USA..."

Yeah that's strange. In a 27-story building? Built without one? Or just not operational?

"When the building cools down will they be able to start the Hilux?"

Yeah, that was one of Top Gear's high points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk

Anonymous Avalanche June 14, 2017 10:50 PM  

@88 Bird strike: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/06/11/285EC31F00000578-3070051-image-a-37_1430908104776.jpg

Tin, aluminum? No matter: not stronger than steel and concrete!


@88 "You're failing to account for unavoidable structural degradation over time in a building subjected to constant micro-stress."

So, you have NOT looked at the buildings worldwide which burned (like the subject of this blog entry) for many hours and NEVER fell down -- not even from "micro-stresses" (Really? You're kidding right? MICRO-stresses made two sky scrapers fall down (plus Building 7, let's not forget that one, even WITHOUT a plane crashing into it!)

Do you think maybe THESE had micro-stresses too?

Madrid, 20 hours burning, never fell: http://truththeory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/319876_456012447760844_161109786_n.jpg

Beijing, 3 hours, never fell: https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/12
/buildingfirememe.jpg

Philadelphia, 18 hours, never fell: http://www.fkceng.com/images/PROJECTS/FEFIC/notableprojects(fefic-onemeridian).png

Blogger APL June 15, 2017 1:20 AM  

Avalanche: "All the FLOORS were concrete."

Yes, a layer of non stressed concrete laid over a relatively light supporting structure of steel.

https://infogalactic.com/info/File:Wtc_floor_truss_system.png

Avalanche: "Philadelphia, 18 hours, never fell"

Each of those buildings have different designs, different strengths and weaknesses, the WTC was not just subjected to a fire. It had structural damage and then heat damage. It's clear that it was the collapse of the superstructure above the impact area, that caused the building to collapse under the weight of the top ten or so floors.

The top section of the tower collapsed when the impact area gave way, due to impact and heat stress, the mass and direction of the top of the building falling on the structure below made the whole thing collapse in, what has to be said, a rather neat fashion.

Anonymous RabidRatel June 15, 2017 1:51 AM  

APL wrote:The top section of the tower collapsed when the impact area gave way, due to impact and heat stress, the mass and direction of the top of the building falling on the structure below made the whole thing collapse in, what has to be said, a rather neat fashion.

It is the rather neat fashion in which it fell that actually raised suspicions about the whole thing. I remember seeing the second building sagging to one side (above the point of impact), and then suddenly falling in its own footprint. That is not exactly what you would expect a structure canting to one side to do.

Blogger APL June 15, 2017 2:34 AM  

RabidRatel: "It is the rather neat fashion in which it fell that actually raised suspicions about the whole thing."

The vertical momentum of the structure above the impact area was greater than the lateral momentum, result being that the whole structure collapsed mostly within it's own footprint.

Had the impact been closer to the bottom of the structure, the lateral movement may have been greater than the vertical.

Anyway. I'm finished with this topic.

Anonymous Lord T June 15, 2017 7:46 AM  

All the news coming out now is that the block was 'updated' to be greener. This involved replacing non flammable materials with flammable materials which apparently caught fire.

So it is not all bad news. The Green God has a few more sacrifices. Wonder how many that makes now although I suspect they don't count them.

Blogger APL June 15, 2017 9:30 AM  

@103 "All the news coming out now is that the block was 'updated' to be greener."

BBC just reporting that internal fire doors may have been removed. The question in my mind, by whome? The Landlord ( seems unlikely as it would put them in contravention of fire regulations ) or the tenants, in which case the Landlord may not be aware of the problem.

Blogger S1AL June 15, 2017 12:34 PM  

@Avalanche -

First, and predictably, you didn't respond at all to the liquidus/solidus comment, which tells me you lack the basic knowledge to understand heat damage.

Second, you don't know what "strength" means in the context of stress, strain, or angle. If you did, you'd understand why a horizontal impact to a structure designed for vertical load-bearing is categorically different than a bat hitting a ball (not that bats don't occasionally break), or why concrete is easily shattered by localized force.

Third, you don't grasp the application of Young's Modulus.

Fourth, micro-stress refers to the ongoing microstructural damage in an building subjected to constant forces - like wind. Usually it doesn't matter on a human timescale (most bands are rated at a <1% failure rate at 500 years), but it does when combined with an unexpected impact of that magnitude and a continuous fire.

Fifth, you are failing to grasp the interaction of impact damage, fire damage, and building age.

Sixth, if you'd spent any time at all in construction work, or talking to anyone who's done it, you'd know that outer structure and main supports the into each other and are mutually supporting. You don't need to significantly damage main supports directly to compromise them.

Alright, with all that said, I'm done with this topic. The inside-job nuts very clearly lack the basic engineering knowledge necessary to even know why they're hilariously wrong. If you want to remedy that, it's not hard to find resources on steel microstructures, phase diagrams, net force diagrams, stress vs. strain, etc.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 15, 2017 5:57 PM  

"It could have been a barbecue gone awry"

Or a cooking fire.

"The kinetic energy in each airliner's impact amounted to a pony nuke, and the structure was thus compromised"

Which plane hit Building 7 again?

@64 pyrrhus
"No sprinkler system? I don't see how the fire could spread so fast if there were one....Mandatory in the USA..."

Yeah that's strange. In a 27-story building? Built without one? Or just not operational?

"When the building cools down will they be able to start the Hilux?"

Yeah, that was one of Top Gear's high points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk

Anonymous Avalanche June 15, 2017 9:29 PM  

@105 "Fourth, micro-stress refers to the ongoing microstructural damage in an building subjected to constant forces - like wind. Usually it doesn't matter on a human timescale (most bands are rated at a <1% failure rate at 500 years), but it does when combined with an unexpected impact of that magnityde and a continuous fire."

Which explains why the MUCH OLDER Empire State Building fell down when it was hit by a plane -- all those micro-stresses it had suffered. (Oh, wait. That didn't happen, did it? NOR to any other building affected by fires or impact.) (And funnily enough -- NIST NEVER thought to mention those micro-stresses in all their prevarication, lying, and covering over... Huh. Wonder why THAT was?)

But yes, you guys who "just KNOW" without actually LOOKING at the research, picking out the solid info, and considering it in light of all your knowledge -- which may OR MAY NOT equal that of some of the researchers who present the problems YOU are unaware of -- go run away. Keep believing what "your" govt and MSM have told you -- cause, you know, they would NEVER lie!

Anonymous Avalanche June 15, 2017 9:35 PM  

@105 "you'd understand why a horizontal impact to a structure designed for vertical load-bearing "

oh, p.s., you must have missed that the towers were (over-)built to accept without 'injury' a fully loaded/fueled 707 crashing in them ... you know... HORIZONTALLY... (And ... where was the dramatic structural damage to Building 7? Or do you not even KNOW about Building 7?)

Anonymous Avalanche June 15, 2017 9:52 PM  

Oh, and one final thing:

*IF* as you suggest, the WTC Towers (but not Building 7, so what was ITS fatal design flaw?) WERE in fact "built differently" and thus vulnerable to fire bringing them down after fewer than three hours burning: WHY has NIST said it WAS the impact and fire which caused the collapses -- but then REFUSED to tell global architects WHAT it WAS about the structure/design allowed those building to fall -- so the architects could avoid building ANOTHER such flaw into future buildings?!

But, you go on keep trusting your govt to tell you the truth. Yup. That'll work.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 16, 2017 3:12 AM  

Avalanche, you are going beyond obsession into idiocy here.

The only thing the towers were designed for is to remain standing long enough to evacuate.  That they did, mostly.  There has been a substantial list of far more robust steel and concrete structures (e.g. freeway overpasses) which have been brought down since 9/11 by petroleum fires which were FAR easier to fight than carpets, cubes and computers burning 70 stories in the sky... and you are too obsessed/stupid to acknowledge them as refuting your thesis.

Refusing to examine and acknowlege contrary evidence puts you in the same category as the post-modernists who insist that reality is "socially constructed".  That means there IS no reality, there are only competing narratives.  If you have descended to that level of insanity, please remove yourself from our reality.  A razor blade applied properly along the wrists in a warm bath is said to do the job.

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Blogger APL June 16, 2017 2:42 PM  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40298473

I see the Grudge merchants are out in force, complaining about this, that, and just anything.

If a fire of that magnitude had occurred in one or other of their native countries' cities ( yes - they are all moslem or african or some variety of asian ) none of them, not one would have survived.

But first world emergency services risked their own lives to save the lives of the occupants - at very considerable risk to themselves, the government is making £5m available - although why their own insurance companies aren't paying out, is a mystery, and the homeless are being accommodated at the tax payers expense in local hotels - but still the whining continues.

And the BBC is in the vanguard of giving them a platform.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 16, 2017 5:05 PM  

I apologize for the tone of @110.  It was unnecessarily harsh.

People who will not think still need to be shamed, though.

Blogger APL June 18, 2017 4:16 AM  

Not cheap to live in Grenfell tower - In any sense of the word. You can probably get a better deal now, though.

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/875410952644173824

Blogger Edohiguma June 22, 2017 1:00 AM  

Styrofoam as insulation.

Fire chiefs in Germany have warned against it since 2012 and demanded a reevaluation of Styrofoam as insulation on building facades. Politicians and authorities have done nothing. Styrofoam is part of the plan to "save the climate" (but, funnily enough, has no actual benefits.)

There are over 50 such fires now documented in Germany in the past few years. They always start small, but within literally minutes, once it hits the insulation, the fire goes upwards like "a fuse in a chimney" as a fire chief in Duisburg after such a fire in 2016 (3 dead, 27 injured) called it.

In Germany they smacked over 36 million square meters of such insulation onto buildings in 2015 alone.

Those are all potential torches.

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