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Tuesday, June 13, 2017

Mailvox: the bitter generation

An Xer explains why Generation X is bitter and cynical:
As an X-er, I faithfully followed nearly all the advice given by my boomer parents, and it got me diddly-squat. Gradually I came to understand why: Nearly all the advice they gave me would have been terrific advice for someone with a typical boomer life trajectory, when mistakes could easily be erased and every tree looked like it would grow to the sky. Taking on ruinous debt for a fuzzy degree just so you'd have a diploma with your name on it was probably great advice in the 1960s and 70s. Buying more house than you really needed or could reasonably afford would have been a killer investment strategy in 1982. Everything boomers did was a dumb gamble that improbably succeeded, and they never wondered why; they just accepted it as a convenient law of nature. To this day, I still get these kinds of useless tips from my boomer parents, though by now I've learned to ignore them.

This is the great theme of the boomers' life: They could always take a lot of wild, irresponsible chances on everything, because nearly every bet they made seemed to pay off handsomely, at least within their lifetimes. The completely predictable and obvious long-term costs were always way, way over the horizon -- a problem for somebody else. The bill, if it ever came due, would be paid by their posterity, and who cares about those losers? They don't even like the Beatles, and they're too whiny and lazy anyway.

Which leads to the root of their endless narcissism. Many boomers believe the incredible advantages they enjoyed were not hard-won gains of previous generations that could easily be squandered, but the inevitable fruits of their own virtuous awesomeness. It never occurred to them that they were both the beneficiaries of and the caretakers for a fragile legacy, and that an economy where anyone with a pulse who was willing to bust their ass could enjoy a solid middle-class life was a historic anomaly that had to be carefully safeguarded. No, it was all just a well-deserved reward for boomers because of their own industriousness and moral goodness. Those whiny kids could have the same thing if they'd just work harder, is how boomers see it.

The cynicism of us X-ers comes from the fact that we grew up really believing this stuff, so finding out it was a lie was kind of a rude awakening. We fully expected that following the rules and ticking the right boxes would automatically give us the exact same life our parents had enjoyed, and we didn't even have a hint that it might not be true. It also stings because, as another commenter alluded to, X-ers are old enough to have actually seen and gotten a taste of that vanished world; our younger cohorts know it only second-hand. They never lived through it, so the loss doesn't feel as bitter for them.
I'm not bitter about it, but I, too, was somewhat snake-bit by Boomer cluelessness about the changing world. When I wanted to drop out of college halfway through my sophomore year to sell my 16-bit, 8-channel, stereo 44 KHz sound card that an engineer and I already had working in both hardware and software, my parents aggressively lobbied for me to "stay in school" and "get my degree" because, as every Boomer knew, college degrees are so important. Which, in retrospect, made absolutely no sense in light of how they wanted me to continue working for my father's company after graduating, which I'd already been doing every summer.

So, instead of selling 200 million dollars worth of sound cards more than two years before Media Vision did with a vastly inferior product, I now have a BS in Economics with a second major in East Asian Studies and a minor in History. None of which has ever profited me so much as a single dime.

The responsibility, of course, is mine. It's on me, not them. I should have ignored their advice, dropped out, and ploughed ahead to pursue the opportunity while the window was open. But I didn't, because I trusted what I assumed was their greater experience and wisdom and because it is always easier to take what passes for the normal path in one's social circle. And that is why Generation X is so little inclined to pay any heed to Boomers now. We listened to them and we took their advice in our youth, and now we see how doing so led us astray.

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Blogger Matt June 13, 2017 11:09 AM  

You coulda been a contender

Blogger wreckage June 13, 2017 11:13 AM  

What's even crazier is that they push and push and push for choices they themselves did not make, and for whose efficacy there is no evidence.

Would I lose money betting that your parents would never have wasted their own opportunity in the name of a bit of paper?

Because its not just about stupid risks they took. It's also about how they tried to steer the next generation away from their own, successful, bets, into a "secure" school, degree, Good Job, Save Every Penny path that ONLY worked for them because they started at Good Job with an extra 6 years up their sleeve and NO DEBT.

For those of us with parents in the business/upper middle class, they forced us into the loser life-plan of the peers they later employed at a modest wage, because they believed that that 9-5, too much house, pre-fab life was the "safe" one.

As repeatedly shown, not least by everyone who tried to follow that path voluntarily, that's just a pile of hairy bollocks. The people who did that eroded their family's capital position but never suffered for it due to the housing bubble. It wasn't a winning strategy, it was a dismal and total failure from end to end.

OpenID ar10308 June 13, 2017 11:13 AM  

Getting advice from Boomers is very akin to getting advice on dating from natural Alphas. They have no idea why they succeded, they just think that it is naturally easy for anyone.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 13, 2017 11:15 AM  

"We listened to them and we took their advice in our youth, and now we see how doing so led us astray."

Isn't this a cornerstone for the creation of modern Game? That the old courtship methods which worked in the past no longer delivered as advertised?

Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 11:17 AM  

BOOMER BUTTHURT POSTS ARE THE BEST POSTS, REALLY GREAT, EVERYONE SAYS SO ... WELL ... EVERYONE BUT THE BOOMERS WHOSE BUTTS HURT.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 13, 2017 11:17 AM  

Getting advice from Boomers is very akin to getting advice on dating from natural Alphas. They have no idea why they succeded, they just think that it is naturally easy for anyone.

@4 ar10308
Heh. Very apt comparison.

If you want advice on business and life, don't ask a Boomer, ask someone who lived through a recession and made it on his own.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 13, 2017 11:19 AM  

I think Millennials are going to become even more bitter than X'ers are in short order.

A lot of Millennials are still in or just getting out of college, and seeing the job market is useless. Even often times with a decent STEM degree. H1B's and heavy tax burden hits hard.

Blogger cassius dio June 13, 2017 11:23 AM  

The Boomer's situation was an anomaly. They hit a sweet spot and are to ignorant of history to know that their grandparents owned nothing that they didnt actually need.

Their success is a result of a cheap money, debt based boom. This disconnection between wealth and work is evil, and anti-Christian. We are in a lacrimarum valle, these boomers will have won the world but lost eternity.

Blogger Doom June 13, 2017 11:24 AM  

ar10308,

Nice name, by the way. However, I must disagree. Taking advice from boomers is more like taking dating advice from a women. She'll get laid, sooner or later, voluntarily or not, and it works out, win lose or draw... in that regard. But she really has only some clue. Basically, go where the boys are. Which... doesn't really work for men. *blink blink*

Thankfully my elders were too busy messing up their own lives to really offer advice. Go, do whatever, just leave us alone to our own debauchery... or they might as well said... did say through their actions. I actually think I came out better, quicker, or would have minus health. Bitter? I'm bitter about what they have squandered, not about what they said. Most of them can't die fast enough. Room temp, coming their way in a hurry. At least, for the faults of my own elders, I... have room for care of them. Some are doomed to hell, I would wager. I'll do what I can, talk and pray. I certainly won't join them, if I can help it. And I think I can.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. June 13, 2017 11:25 AM  

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps

An idiom that is invariably true.

And yet nearly always false when it falls from the lips of a Boomer.

Anonymous BluePony June 13, 2017 11:28 AM  

I followed my parents advice, got an EE degree, and now make $200K a year designing stuff for spacecraft. Just sayin'. :) I'm an outlier, I guess.

But, yeah, the sound card thing was the better choice in your case.

My possibly big miss in life is back when Internet video started getting to be better than postage stamp sized porn clips. A couple friends and I thought about putting up our video gaming sessions with funny commentary. Nah, we thought. Who the hell would watch that nonsense? Aaaaaanh how much does PewDiePie make a year?

We went into real estate instead and have done OK.

Anonymous White Guy June 13, 2017 11:32 AM  

Wow, glad to see I'm not alone (Xer' here). One of the many things I constantly battle with my boomer mother on why we homeschool our two kids. It is freakin' silly. Just last week I finally said, "Mom it is 2017, not 1987, public schools are not the same as they were when I was a kid!"

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 13, 2017 11:34 AM  

Around 2001, I did a major 2-man project with a mechanical engineer at a barcode scanning manufacturing company in America. I wrote the software and he designed the fixture. I volunteered most of my time because I had a tech position from another department on the campus. After that, his boss wanted to hire me as an engineer into his team. He was told I was ineligible because I only had a 2-year degree. Fortunately, I got hired by another team of engineers down the hall as a "specialist." 8 years later, my job was deleted along with most of manufacturing and sent to Vietnam.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 11:35 AM  

Interesting

Vox, now I finally understand some of your issues with your folks, not all I am sure but some.

As a kid whose parents (1928/1933) upbringing was based on the depression and WWII period, (as well as being a not exactly popular group), their advise was almost 180 degrees opposite: It was uniformly good. Both short term and long term. So I find the castigation of one's parents generation kind of odd, but my experience was different.

Thinking more on it, I have rephrase that: one area their advice/leadership was not good was socially. They assumed like everyone else of their generation that the social thing would just work, because that is how it was in their day, you meet someone and got married. When their kids found the situation to be otherwise they were simply out of their element and did not know what to say. Seriously, how can you blame them for that, they simply did not see the changes happening, nor was it written about in those days like today. No one is omniscient.


Maybe the baby boomers were awful, but that was not what I saw growing up. My first jobs in the 1980~1983 time frame were from baby boomers, the guys I worked for gave me sage advise which I still look back on and use. They were not fools but saw the world clearly and told me, as a young chap that times were going to get hard again.

When a reservist the old guys in the unit were all baby boomer late ex-Vietnam guys. What an impressive bunch of men who had a sense of duty and saw the world clearly. Ball busters but wise men. They were by no means selfish, one of the Chief warrants had put in something like 20,000 hours of volunteer serves, (unpaid) to his fellow veterans. Last I head of him several years ago he was still at it in his late 60s.

So I suppose perhaps it is possible the Boomers are the worst generation ever, even though I did not see it. The comments in these posts make me ponder that point, the stories seem to be true. But even if true, cultivating a victim mentality about your less than perfect parents is pretty non-productive. There is a reason we are told by G-D to "honor our parents" and it is not because he is a meanie. Every generation falls short of the mark, I am sure if one were to take a look at any generation/cohort once could come up with all kinds of shortcomings, but it will not be productive to do so. It is better to focus on the path ahead, rather than whatever slights occurred in the past.

Anonymous Weak June 13, 2017 11:44 AM  

Magna Carta,

The lie wasn't to get that engineering degree. Those are great. As Scott Adams points out, the unemployment rate for engineers is basically 0.0%. The boomer lie in your story is "get a good job in a good company and ride that out for 30 years". Nope, not for us.

I'm a Gen-X mech-e. I learned early to be like a shark. Always moving, always learning new skills, always on the next newest project going forward.

Education especially in engineering or medicine is good. We were lied that that is the end of the road. Nope. That's the platform of skills that let's you survive.

Blogger pyrrhus June 13, 2017 11:44 AM  

It's funny, the wealthier GenX or young boomer parents are still pushing useless college degrees as the panacea for all ills. When I point out that Jobs, Gates, and Zuck don't have them, they look displeased...But the son of a good friend of mine, who is a Boomer, started a software firm out of high school and his father supported him. Last I heard, he had about 30 employees...

Blogger Zundfolge June 13, 2017 11:47 AM  

As a Gen-Xer raised by Boomers, thankfully their Boomer narcissism got in the way of them passing on their lessons to me (other than being examples of what not to do) and their depression and WWII surviving parents ended up being the ones to instruct me to work hard, do what you say you'll do, stay out of debt, love God and the Constitution and stick with the "old fashioned" morality that made America great.

Will be interesting to see if Gen-Z is going to be as conservative and K-Selected as many pundits claim they'll be.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 11:47 AM  

All this Boomer hate is justified, useless, and misplaced. To focus on the narcissism and utter lack of concern for the preservation of their patrimony of the Boomers is to ignore the obvious fact that they inherited these diseases from their silent and greatest parents. You know, the generations that so misunderstood the world that they casually passed the Immigration invasion law of 65 and the civil rights and fair housing bills which enshrined the anti-white race war into law and sanctified it with the blessing of the priestly class. As I read the comments the words that come to mind are: devastating, revealing, truthful. These ideas were best fleshed out by Horowitz and Collier in their book "Destuctive Generation" by 2 reformed boomers who did more than most of the destruction.

The discussion strikes me as useless however, if fascinating, unless our host intends that generational solidarity, resentment against boomer selfishness and willfull ignorance can be used in the service of woking more Xers and millennials. In which case-Godspeed.

I gave little to no thought to generational politics until last Saturday in Houston at the anti-antifa/black panther rally. It was full of people who are exactly what I used to be before I got woke: boomer suburban republicans. The organizer made clear that the thing he was most passionate about was punching right, excluding 'racists' from his little rally, and positi Ning himself as the moderate middle between the two opposing racist extremes of the Black Panthers on one side and any gringo carrying a confederate or other officially non-approved flag on the other side. As I watched them confront some kid with an unapproved flag and threaten to whip him I thought how sad these poor fools are; beaten and out maneuvered by the left for decades, still they cling to their color blind religion whilst identity politics is triumphant all around them. Fools. They insisted that this "wasn't about race" when that's all it's about. Well ultimately antifa and the BP bigots didn't bother to show and I was extremely luck since some kekistani kids showed up all pepe'd out and flying the green flag. Thanks to this blog I knew who they were and a something of what their about so chatted and jacked with them for a couple hours while watching the well meaning boomer fools swim in ignorance. Not about race! None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those who will not see.

Blogger The Remnant June 13, 2017 11:50 AM  

I'm fortunate that my parents were late members of the Silent Generation. They never fed me Boomer delusions, and I've always known the danger that lurks beneath anything that appears too good to be true.

Blogger The Chortling June 13, 2017 11:52 AM  

I think boomers and Xers alike believe in Evolution and thus the

"Everything [done] was a dumb gamble that improbably succeeded, and they never wondered why; they just accepted it as a convenient law of nature. To this day, I still get these kinds of useless tips from my boomer parents, though by now I've learned to ignore them."

means Xers better ask Bill I'm-your-Savior Nye some tough questions about philosophical devotions versus science.
I see evolutionary faith expressed everyday in the Fortune 100 company where I work. Every stupid "Innovatoin" brought forward is as though it was born of Zeus and not to be questioned with experience or "yeah, 20 years ago, that was tried and failed" (don't get me wrong: Innovation is the future but it's not an idiotic temple of worship with idols of Steve Jobs and early iPhones accompanied by undending ooh-ahhs and Silicon Valley mantras rolling off of awestruck lips)

The implications for "peer reviewed" and "scientific consensus" are just as far-reaching as the defunct career aspirations of this SlightlyWoke Xer

Blogger Kentucky Headhunter June 13, 2017 11:54 AM  

My boomer parents never gave me a single piece of good advice. Just the opposite in every single case. Its kind of amazing really as you'd think random chance (like unto a blind squirrel) would have stumbled onto something useful out of all the garbage they told me.

Blogger VD June 13, 2017 11:54 AM  

But even if true, cultivating a victim mentality about your less than perfect parents is pretty non-productive.

I don't have a victim mentality. You are completely missing the point. The point is: never, ever listen to Boomers unless an individual Boomer has demonstrated that he actually has something to say that is relevant. As a general rule, they are stupid, self-obsessed, and totally incapable of grasping that it is not 1970 anymore.

All this Boomer hate is justified, useless, and misplaced.

It is neither useless nor misplaced. The point is that most Boomers are going to be an obstruction to the necessary policies and it will not be possible to convince them otherwise. It would be foolish to simply ignore that.

Blogger justaguy June 13, 2017 11:58 AM  

Late Boomer here with thoughts on the crybabies:

Much of life is chance. Successful Boomers probably had a bit of luck as well as hard work and honest assessment. For Boomers, less than 30% went to college initially—so those who did were in main the top of the IQ. Hard work, high IQ and some luck normally equals success. Yes some of my high IQ friends didn’t go to college, but got into computers or other new fields and some made it.

By the post Boomer generation, everyone goes to college (50-60% maybe) and no one thinks about competition—every little snowflake following their own dream. Yes, maybe too many Boomer parents didn’t think strategically and tell their kid to give up their dream and assess their strengths and weaknesses—what does it take to make it in the field wanted and do I have what it takes—often at least a 1+ to 2 SD IQ needed in many elite fields.

BTW, most of my fellow Boomers didn’t end up in the fields they thought when they started college. Many many Boomers didn’t make it to success—their career fields fell to the onslaught of cheap illegal workers—they faded from view, got divorced, became the needy underclass the left wants for votes.

So a career wasn’t handed to you with easy street and your relatives are mega-millionaires—get on with life and try. Lots of biographies of the successful show that they fail first and keep trying. You don’t see Vox crying—bad luck killed some of his promising ventures (video cards/gaming and others)—he gets up and tries again…

Blogger kurt9 June 13, 2017 11:58 AM  

The boomers assumed that the conditions they lived their lives in, which were quite anomalous, were actually long-term normal. Their narcissism prevented them from understanding this reality. At this stage of the game (e.g. 2017), it is reasonable to assume that any advice they may have to give is useless.

Anonymous Chad June 13, 2017 11:59 AM  

This reminds me of the "natural alpha" discussion over on alphagame. Natural alphas can't dole out good advice because it just happens for them. Same thing for boomers. Good things just happened for them. Two lessons for me - ignore my boomer parents on big life choices and how to succeed (already doing this for the most part but this reaffirms) and remember that what has worked for me probably won't work for me kids, so be very judicious in advising them on their big life choices. I am trapped by my experience just as much as my parents. Hopefully I have the wisdom to recognize when that is blinding me.

Blogger Shimshon June 13, 2017 12:01 PM  

Steve Wozniak, boomer to the core that he was, dropped out of Apple and one of the first things he did was to enroll at Berkeley in pursuit of the piece of paper he never acquired.

Personally, both my parents were college dropouts, but my proto-boomer mother was quite into the necessity of both my brother and I getting degrees.

In the 1980s, given the circumstances of the day, it wasn't bad advice.

Vox, I'm surprised your father bought into that. Perhaps his pursuit of a PhD affected his judgement? Bill Gates was famously known for years at that point as a dropout (from Harvard no less), among more than a few illustrious examples.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch June 13, 2017 12:03 PM  

Boomers are very useful to us in the medical industry, as they have endless health problems and provide job security in a seemingly non-stop river of insurance and Medicare cash.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta June 13, 2017 12:04 PM  

@15 Weak -- You are right. I originally had a 2-year electronics tech degree and over the years took a few classes in C++ and Assembly language while working. I also self-taught myself a couple other languages. I moved up into software after 7 years of proactive positioning. Like I said, my company moved manufacturing to Vietnam and cut massive jobs. You can read about Datalogic online somewhere. Loss of manufacturing jobs is a result of globalism and Trump was speaking directly to me. My engineering partner had to move to Vietnam for 3 years and take a 50% pay-cut. I'm sure I was paid a lot less than my engineer friends, but Datalogic found even cheaper labor overseas. Unfortunately, my health was severely declining and I literally retired with disability the same week my job ended. I'm a boomer, by the way.

Blogger J A Baker June 13, 2017 12:04 PM  

One phenomenon I have observed of the Baby Boomer's could label them The Toy's R Us generation. They are obsessed with youth, and they resent the younger generations for their youth, which could explain all of the bad advice they dish out.

Blogger Nationalist Flicka June 13, 2017 12:10 PM  

**The responsibility, of course, is mine. It's on me, not them**

I cut GenX some slack, not because I am one but because they truly believed it was temporary. They didn't know it was never coming back and was only going to get worse.

My contempt with the Boomers is that they won't own it and won't even modify their beliefs despite the country falling apart around them. I honestly in my heart believe they don't and won't because they know they won't be here for the worst of it. They are that selfish.

But, the Millennials know. Yet, the only ideas I see coming from them are MORE, bigger harder, faster of what got us here in the first place. Like tried and true leftists, they believe if only they get to control the levers it will work.

And the degeneracy. Life is hard. Degeneracy makes it 100% harder.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 13, 2017 12:10 PM  

The discussion strikes me as useless however...

Nope, not useless at all. When the multiple ponzi scheems finally all come crashing down (probably all at the same time, since the Boomers have been rolling one into the other to keep all their plates spinning), someone is going to have to take it in the shorts.

That someone is going to be the Boomers, out of necessity. All this hate, though completely deserved in an of itself, is also necessary to steel the younger folks against the inevitable wailing we'll hear from the Boomers as they are shoved out on their icebergs.

They're going to look pretty damned pathetic, and pitiable. But we won't be able to afford any sympathy for them, and all this is just getting the mindset in place that they won't deserve any either.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 13, 2017 12:10 PM  


I remember an actual conversation with my parents (boomers). Only 2 years ago.

I had to change jobs and was looking for work in different areas.

I went to one area that was formerly all White, now completely non-White. To even take a job in such a place would be to live in a foreign land by default.

My parents only reaction to been sold out in my own neighborhood: ‘But its a job’!! YOU just have to take it.


Nothing else matters, no responsibility for their voluntary and very aware complicity in this invasion, just water under the bridge.

All the years of virtue signalling and race denial and big government theft: 'oops, you have to take it!!'


They are willfully blind. I was disgusted beyond belief.

They will watch the CBC propaganda, and ignore their children’s hellish dispossession and taxation to death.

But they lock their doors extra tight now, and ALWAYS put the security on. But won’t admit a thing. They travel to the big city, know its hell now, don’t go back…. But its all good for you!!!


Tell me, when are these people accountable???

Anonymous patrick kelly June 13, 2017 12:11 PM  

My woulda'shoulda' is different. Should have gone to college and earned a degree (which I could have done with little or no debt at the time), or should have stayed in the military, but I'm not a sigma entrepreneur, more of a delta foot soldier.

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 12:12 PM  

J A Baker wrote:One phenomenon I have observed of the Baby Boomer's could label them The Toy's R Us generation. They are obsessed with youth, and they resent the younger generations for their youth, which could explain all of the bad advice they dish out.

Its also interesting to note the boomers general obsession with "eternal youth" in the way they chase any and every pill that can be offered, to hell with the side effects or long term impacts. All that as opposed to acting based on quality of life and acknowledging there is an end for all of us.
Its frankly disgusting to see little more than animated corpses choking down 10 pills for some condition or other then another 10 pills to counter the side effects of the first 10, all the while having a lower quality of life then the average 3rd world prisoner. The boomers as a gorup have chosen "quanitity" over "quality".

Anonymous Eduardo June 13, 2017 12:15 PM  

"Now I have a BullShit in economics"

Truthfully, I thank God you have that BS Economics, it helped me, I know it helped others.

Anonymous 1968 June 13, 2017 12:15 PM  

More whining by loser Xers and millennials. Anyone notice not a sing example was given by the writer of all the terrible things Boomers did to him? That's because they fail to take responsibility in all things. They can't even muster the responsibility to make an argument. It's all empty accusations.

And the wonder why their generations are so messed up.

Grow a pair and grow up. It's not too late.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 June 13, 2017 12:17 PM  

My boomer father actually did face the consequences of the failing economy, as did many others. He was let go from his position as an Environmental Chemist and hasn't gone back to that industry since.

This is happening to a lot of younger boomers who are caught in their mid-50s with a useless middle management job.

Of course, if you work in HR, you're invaluable.

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 12:18 PM  

I think some of the X'er frustration and anger also comes from them being a transition generation. Even for those who saw their lot for what it really was, they were unable to do anything about it. The dying heyday of america was still coasting on well enough that there was little chance of swimmiing upstream and the risk for even trying it was great. In many ways the X'ers were forced to sit and watch their dreams fade, it was to early to act and to late ride the wave.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 13, 2017 12:18 PM  

Success is not a useful learning example, because the successful don't understand why they succeeded.

Study failure. It's always a far better teacher.

If you've never really failed, or don't want to see how your generation has failed, that has to be pointed out to following generations who might learn.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 12:19 PM  

@36 1968

That didn't take long ..welcome, Captain Butthurt. We missed you.

Anonymous Russell Newquist June 13, 2017 12:20 PM  

I'm not bitter about it, but I, too, was somewhat snake-bit by Boomer cluelessness about the changing world. When I wanted to drop out of college halfway through my sophomore year to sell my 16-bit, 8-channel, stereo 44 KHz sound card that an engineer and I already had working in both hardware and software, my parents aggressively lobbied for me to "stay in school" and "get my degree" because, as every Boomer knew, college degrees are so important.

I made a very, very similar mistake. I didn't have the opportunity to sell 200 million dollars worth of sound cards - few people do. But the single biggest mistake I ever made in my life was finishing college instead of dropping out to pursue the business I'd already started. I let the business die and got a degree. I chose poorly. I ended up in a semi-corporate career path that I'm ill suited to, and now I'm in my late 30s re-entering the business world. I would've had a FAR easier time dealing with business startup issues in my early 20s when I was single, had no children, and didn't care that I lived in a shitty, cheap apartment.

My life decisions have worked out far better than many of my peers, so, like you, I'm not bitter. But I did learn the very hard lesson that my parents' advice is often (not always, but often) completely worthless and not applicable to the modern world.

The biggest takeaway for myself as a parent now is that the world my children inherit will not be the same world I live in now. They need to make choices based on the situation on the ground, not based on what my life was like.

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Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 13, 2017 12:24 PM  

18. michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To focus on the narcissism and utter lack of concern for the preservation of their patrimony of the Boomers is to ignore the obvious fact that they inherited these diseases from their silent and greatest parents.



no, this is a lie.

all four of my grandparents were from the interwar period, NONE of them displayed the bizarre Boomer disinterest in teaching their offspring.

this is not to say that they didn't have their own problems, but if you were old enough to actually know people who grew up during the Depression, that is NOT how they acted.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 13, 2017 12:27 PM  

More whining by loser Xers and millennials

BRB. Getting my trebuchet to launch some boomers across the border. They do love cheap guacamole after all.

Blogger justaguy June 13, 2017 12:28 PM  

Why Blame Boomers for society going radical left instead of the Leftists?
Vox correctly doesn’t blame Boomers for the 1965 Immigration Act that did much of the current damage to our society—that was put in place by the Greatest Generation. He does however blame the Boomers or not being able to reverse the statist/Leftist/nihilistic tide that took ahold of the country in the early 1900s, reached prominence with FDR and has slowly sapped the culture and foundations of our society
Remember the radicals of the 60’s were a small minority of the Boomers but the establishment amplified their voice—the establishment was globalist, leftist and elitist. Starting in the 80’s the Boomers went conservative but have been outvoted. (Look at older white voting patterns—they go conservative in a majority)

So Boomers lost to the left and had to leave to the succeeding generation is the fight against the leftist state. No generation has done well on that front since the Teddy Roosevelt championed the progressives. So no, we Boomers didn’t stop that which was put in place by previous generations, we slowed it a bit, turned conservative (those that are of English descent) but leave the fight to you…

Blogger michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 12:28 PM  

#22 "It is neither useless nor misplaced. The point is that most Boomers are going to be an obstruction to the necessary policies and it will not be possible to convince them otherwise. It would be foolish to simply ignore that."

Agreed. Y'all will watch many, many boomers die as ignorant on that day as they are today- faithfull congregants of the Church of Equality.

But, on a hopeful note, I have been spending vacations with my father (86) and uncle (88). They have always been conservatives and they are receptive to the ideas of the alt-right. That is a small victory for Kekistan and the identitarian movement. The GG is almost gone now but the Silents like my dad still got a few years left in em. They saved their $ and they care about their grandkids. Woke boomers you should spend a little time with your folks, it could be very rewarding.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 13, 2017 12:28 PM  

36. 1968 June 13, 2017 12:15 PM
Anyone notice not a sing example was given by the writer of all the terrible things Boomers did to him?



$20 TRILLION in debt, you lying, thieving, cannibalistic sack of shit.

you eat the lives of your own grandchildren and sell the entire nation into Debt Slavery ( a practice thousands of years old ) and have the unmitigated gall to tell us we're "ungrateful" for the opportunity to kneel before the foreign hordes you love more than us.

Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 12:29 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:More whining by loser Xers and millennials

BRB. Getting my trebuchet to launch some boomers across the border. They do love cheap guacamole after all.


L.O.L.

Blogger Koanic June 13, 2017 12:30 PM  

Welp, who needs the Boomers to teach anything anyhow?

We have the Internet now. They are dead weight.

Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 12:31 PM  

justaguy wrote:So no, we Boomers didn’t stop that which was put in place by previous generations, we slowed it a bit, turned conservative (those that are of English descent) but leave the fight to you…



That's mighty White of you, Boomer.

Blogger William Meisheid June 13, 2017 12:34 PM  

Not all Boomers fit the stereotype. Some of us survived the crashes (lost 12 of 13 clients when the dotcom bubble burst and had to repay almost $300,000 worth of debt over the next 15 years because I tried to keep people employed too long - it'll turn around...it didn't). Hard lessons are the best lessons.

It feels good to be debt free and preparing for whatever comes, but that came at great cost (worked 100 hours a week for years on end) and I don't expect to retire until I am forced to.

The only advice I now give is basic Christianity and basic decency, help where you can but try not to enable. Hard work is its own reword when you can see a job well done. Cultivate your real friendships because good friends are hard to get and need nurturing. Be thankful for what you have, it can be gone in a moment, but while you have it share with those who are part of your life.

Anonymous X June 13, 2017 12:35 PM  

"$20 TRILLION in debt, you lying, thieving, cannibalistic sack of shit.

you eat the lives of your own grandchildren and sell the entire nation into Debt Slavery ( a practice thousands of years old ) and have the unmitigated gall to tell us we're "ungrateful" for the opportunity to kneel before the foreign hordes you love more than us."

This

Anonymous Philalethes June 13, 2017 12:36 PM  

Gee, lotta butthurt around here lately. Reminds me of when I was a young fella and we were all about "Don't trust anybody over 30!" – until we turned 30. A lot of the people complaining here seem to be well over 30, but still whining like adolescents.

One thing I'll say about my generation: We were the first to question in large numbers the lies we were fed by our forebears. I was the first in my family in 200 years not to obediently go to war for the greater glory of the Ruling Class. In 1967 – a year before our host was born – I fled into what I believed would be permanent exile from home, family and friends. I haven't seen generations since then object in any substantial way to the Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace program – maybe because you haven't had to face the Draft?

50,000 of us didn't come home from Vietnam – and many of those who did were wrecked for life. As was my father, from his experiences in WWII. He knew he was being lied to, but unfortunately didn't live long enough to learn how, why and who. (I only began to really figure it out a decade after his death.)

Btw, I grew up in the 1950s in upper-middle-class Santa Barbara, California. It was indeed nicer in some ways than the present, but it was far from heaven. In fact, that's what this world is: far from heaven. Always has been, and so far as I can tell, always will be. Endless pissing and moaning about how you got a raw deal isn't really going to get you any closer.

Way I see it, Homo sapiens has been on a path to disaster since, oh, the invention of agriculture, anyway. Whether we'll ever collectively get smart enough to turn it around remains an open question. Meanwhile, karma is fundamentally individual, and we do have the power of choice, moment by moment, as to how we will live.

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 12:36 PM  

@45. justaguy

Look into the debates and long term plans the rockafellers, morgans and the like were having in the early 1920's. Much of what we now call the globaist regime was more or less their long term goal.
As a simple exmaple read The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto. That alone lays out that much of what we see now was being set into motion in the 1920's and 30's.

I believe you can dig that book up online for free.

Anonymous 100PctAmerican June 13, 2017 12:37 PM  

This:

"Many boomers believe the incredible advantages they enjoyed were not hard-won gains of previous generations that could easily be squandered, but the inevitable fruits of their own virtuous awesomeness."

I'm an older Xer. Back in the 80's, I remember a magazine cover (either TIME or Newsweek) that had the two generations represented (Gen X and Boomers) with some title like this:

"Boomers to Generation X: Wait Your Turn."

The article was about Gen X wanting to move up in companies and Boomers basically telling them to sit down and shut up. Wait your turn. Earn your 'union card' (as my dad used to say) before being ushered into the C-level suite.

But I didn't see a natural handing off of authority within these corporations. Instead, I saw Boomers who would actively keep Xers out of the loop and rarely would make room for their contributions.

I know I'm old-fashioned in many ways, but I do believe there is still some value in mentoring and allowing younger employees to have room to bring their ideas to the table.

Today I see more responsibility and trust being given to Millennials than the fortysomething Xers. It's as though all the hard work of Xers has been completely ignored -- are at the very least, minimized.

So what if I'm not a "digital native?" I've adapted. I've had to endlessly re-invent myself and still am doing it. Self-learning. Always.

I do admit one thing. I find a certain sense of satisfaction watching the Boomer professors harassed by the very whiny, self-absorbed current crop of college students.

Scared of the little monsters? Well, Dr. Frankenstein, enjoy your creation. We'll be waiting outside the gate with the pitchforks.

Blogger Lovekraft June 13, 2017 12:38 PM  

Better late than never to wake up to woman's true nature. They've been studying us a long time and we're now at a stage where men apply their genius to spreading this knowledge.

Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 12:39 PM  

You know, one of the BIG differences between the Boomers and us GenXers is when later generations are complaining about us, we won't feel the need to explain that not all GenXers and like that.

Anonymous Red Sector June 13, 2017 12:40 PM  

Feminists: Evil males! Die!
SJWs: Evil whitey! Die!
Millennials: Evil old people! Die!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯



Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 13, 2017 12:40 PM  

Silent generation father, boomer mother. Sometimes I wish my dad had been born later, so he'd still be around, but he'd be a different person if he was.

Anonymous grey enlightenment June 13, 2017 12:40 PM  

Taking on ruinous debt for a fuzzy degree just so you'd have a diploma with your name on it was probably great advice in the 1960s and 70s.

the funny thing is, the income disparity between degree holders vs. dropouts has only widened, especially in the past 9 years. By that measure a college degree is actually more valuable now than it was in the past and is a hedge against wage stagnation. It's hackneyed to say, but a STEM degree is still the best path to middle class.

Blogger VFM6974 June 13, 2017 12:44 PM  

While saving is better than squandering all, it's not an ironclad retirement strategy as many factors beyond your control can turn your life savings into rubble (devaluation, market crashes, de-regulation, etc). Boomers to this day think a 401K works for everyone, in practice the best retirement strategy is to have a money-making machine at the end of your productive years.

As vox mentions, I wish I would have known this years ago, this is a good book that squashes all Boomer illusions regarding wealth. A must read for anyone that wants to leave assets to their children:
https://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Fastlane-Crack-Wealth-Lifetime/dp/0984358102

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 12:44 PM  

@57 Joshua_D

Yes. It's like a compulsive disorder of some kind. "I'm the exception! Look at me!"

If you're an exception, most of us are smart enough to figure it out without your special announcement.

Blogger Carnivore June 13, 2017 12:44 PM  

This boomer did not get good career advice. My parents didn't have the knowledge (neither graduated from high school) to go beyond "study and good grades". The high school councilors were already in the mode of "you can do anything, follow your dreams, be what you want to be" etc. (this in the early 70's.) I happened to follow the STEM path, because I liked it and enjoyed it, not because anyone told me it would be a good choice or that I had the aptitude for it. My point is, the "do whatever you want" nonsense has been around for a long time. In college, (late 70's) there were already complaints by the Liberal Arts grads only starting out with $10K per year while the STEM guys were starting at the preposterous sum of $20K per annum.

There were a few differences though which many boomers refuse to understand. When I graduated with a four year STEM degree from a major name university, my student loan debt was half my annual salary. The repayment plan was fixed at 10 years with interest of 1%. One could get significantly better rates that 1% in a bank passbook account. It didn't make personal-financial sense to pay it off early although I did after 5 years because sending in a monthly check became annoying.

One other major difference is that it was almost still possible to raise a family with the pay from a service type job, although it wasn't as easy as in the 60's. I still recall as a kid going with my parents to the bank and all the tellers were men. Going with my dad to the department store men's department and all the salesmen were, well, men. And they were older, not part time college students. Granted, it might be a stretch to buy a house on such a salary, but there was nothing seen as wrong with renting an apartment and having a stay at home wife raise the kids. There were plenty of RC families who raised 6 kids in a 2 bedroom apartment with 1 bath and only the father working. The salaries in such jobs have not kept pace with the fall in the value of a dollar.

It boggles my mind that boomers can't see this and continue to nag their sons. I'm not surprised that you younger fellers are angry and cynical.

Anonymous X June 13, 2017 12:46 PM  

"Lotta butthurt this" "Lotta whining that" Listening to the boomer tough guy shtick is as tedious as their bad advice. It's obvious SJWs AND boomers double down.

Anonymous Copperhead Joe June 13, 2017 12:46 PM  

I was amazed to find out how much debt my dad carried in the '70s when I got older. He used to buy a new Cadillac and a Grand Wagoneer every 3-5 years. I grew up in upper middle class suburbs and we had a vacation home at the shore. Mom stayed home and relaxed. I thought he was rich when I was a kid. I found a briefcase with financial stuff in my mid 30s. Wow. I don't know how he slept at night. At 47 my debt to income ratio is zero on the Kelvin scale, and I hope to keep it that way. His was probably >50% at my age. One car he bought no money down and a 13.9% interest rate. It all worked out for him though. Left my mother with $2.5 million net worth with the effects of the stock market and real estate trends after he finally paid it all off. He passed away in 2004. She still has a significant portion in aggressive growth at age 74 despite my admonitions, and seeing it cut in half in 2009.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. June 13, 2017 12:48 PM  

This thread is -- not surprisingly -- a microscopic example of the macroscopic world. Without exception, every Boomer that chimes in proves the criticisms of them all without having a clue that they're doing so.



Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 12:49 PM  

What year did you graduate Carnivore, and what was your total college debt?

Blogger Weouro June 13, 2017 12:50 PM  

Im on the boundary of genx and millennial, 1982. I have an english degree that isnt worth a damn because of late-boomer advice. I think about my grandparents and wonder why my parents who received all of the benefits of traditional America decided not to pass any of it on to us kids. The boomers are where the chain broke. But then they were raised that way. As much as i admired my grandparents, they messed up big time and the delyed reaction was the boomers. Genx is making up for it somewhat and that payoff will be among the millennials and the "homeland" generation.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 12:51 PM  

@63 Carnivore

It boggles my mind that boomers can't see this and continue to nag their sons.

And let us not forget the "I was the first in my family to go to college ..." speech. Never mind how much good it did or didn't do. The important thing is just to go. A college *education* is magic.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 13, 2017 12:53 PM  

One attitude that really aggravates me is when older men tell me they worked their asses off so their kids would have everything they didn't growing up.

Then surprise! Your kid's a shit head.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 12:54 PM  

@66 I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are.

Without exception, every Boomer that chimes in proves the criticisms of them all without having a clue that they're doing so.

They literally can't help themselves. EVERY.DAMN.TIME.

It's one of the things that makes these threads so amusing and entertaining.

Blogger rycamor June 13, 2017 12:55 PM  

When I was a young man, the only good advice I ever got from Boomers was from blue-collar men, or from one man who was a self-taught philosopher in the Eric Hoffer model.

The rest--especially the middle-class college graduates, did nothing but dispense smarmy platitudes and urge me to fit in with one program or another.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 13, 2017 12:56 PM  

All the crazy moms from the 80's are Boomers.

Blogger praetorian June 13, 2017 1:00 PM  

The Boomeroboros: a boomer hate thread brings out the boomer posting thereby justifying the boomer hate thread which brings out the boomer posting, etc.

Also, f#$k the Beatles.

Blogger ZhukovG June 13, 2017 1:02 PM  

As an old X'er, I had young Silent Generation parents. Quite frankly they're great. Yet, more than once they've apologized for not realizing what was happening and pulling my siblings and I from public school(late 70s, early 80s).

And you know what? I don't blame the Silents for 1965. They didn't know what was going to happen. The Boomers however came to power seeing what was happening before their eyes, but did nothing to fix it.

The only question is; will the Boomers now commit what is left of their strength to helping the X'ers and Millenials fix it.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 1:06 PM  

@75 ZhukovG

The only question is; will the Boomers now commit what is left of their strength to helping the X'ers and Millenials fix it.

Not if some of the comments are any indicator. It's our problem now, remember? Grow a pair! IT'S NOT TOO LAAAAAAAAAAATE!

Blogger ZhukovG June 13, 2017 1:09 PM  

@Rabbi B: It's like a psychedelic remake of Mommy Dearest.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 13, 2017 1:10 PM  

Boomers are the Hillary Clinton / Kathy Griffin of generations:

1 - i didn't do anything wrong
2 - any claim that i did anything wrong is a false accusation by a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy ... of Russians
3 - anything i did do wrong was tiny and inconsequential
4 - doing things wrong is WHAT I DO and it's immoral of you to demand that i stop doing these things, i DESERVE that Social Security payment and free ( payed for by stealing my grandchildren's lives ) health care
5 - your attempts to hold me to account for my harms against you are THE REAL OPPRESSION HERE, you ingrateful brats

DARVO and Narcissistic Mothers in full effect.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 13, 2017 1:12 PM  

I get up every single day and every single thing I do is a complete repudiation of my Boomer parents. Every last single thing.

These articles and essays are important. Boomers have a stranglehold on conventional media. It feels very crazy, very lonely, very bottom of the barrel, to disagree with them.

These online articles have the feeling of a battered person group session, to be honest. I hear you, I hear you, I hear you.


Blogger praetorian June 13, 2017 1:13 PM  

The only question is; will the Boomers now commit what is left of their strength to helping the X'ers and Millenials fix it.

As a group, they won't.

Keep the SS checks coming and the lawn care cheap shall be the whole of boomer law.

Blogger William Meisheid June 13, 2017 1:14 PM  

Things that don't get said, are just that, not said and often unaccepted as real. Whatever you think a post proves, it is often a facile assessment but it is hard to try and give a balancing perspective when you are accused of doubling down, being butt hurt (my butt is fine thank you), being lumped in with those whom you have disagreed with your whole life. I believe I have a right to say, "That's not me!" and if you can't deal with that, then that's on you. Just remember all are not the same, so when you mob up, how are you going to distinguish the difference? Do I not get to be Alt-right as a full blooded English/European American just because I was born in 1947?

OpenID doktorjeep June 13, 2017 1:15 PM  

As an Xer I can concur.

We did everything the boomers told us. But the most cynical of GenX were the ones with Silent Generation parents. Let me explain.

By the late 1960s, often considered the cut-off range for the birth years of boomers (some articles say 1963, others say 1965, others later) advancements in pre-natal care made it possible for a woman to carry a baby to term when she was past the age of 30. There was once a time when such an endeavor was considered risky. Heck once upon a time even healthy young women died giving birth. All those "traditions" and "dances" from the past were men and women met were really fitness tests.

So what you got past the mid 1960s was women having kids later. For me, I have an older sister who was born in the middle of the baby boom, but I'm in Gen X. My parents were born in the 1930. Uncles who were older than my father fought in WWII. My father didn't finish high school but went into construction work early: his dad perished young and with two siblings gone (one died from complications around pregnancy, the other killed in the war) he had to go to work early.
My mother went to an girls only Catholic school and was a virgin when she married at 19.
My parents were not perfect but who is?

Let me tell you fellows how grating it was to be the one raised by parents like that yet have peers who were raised by boomers. In fact I won't: an entire textbook can be written on "the hidden costs of boomerism". Boomers were for the most part the most horrible parents western civilization ever saw. In youth I could never quite put my finger on it, why my peers tended towards back-stabbing, hitting below the belt, no value for friendship, and for the most part they were mindless. I went to school every day feeling like an alien landing in a monkey cage. I had my first job at age 9 delivering papers. I had my first boat at age 12 (my dad gave me a boating manual and said "have at it, kid") and yet my peers could not be trusted with a sharpened pencil at that age.

The most fun was the "body snatching". At least it seemed like that back then to the young me. Looking back, this was prevalent around the time of the introduction of no-fault divorce. You see I did have friends back then. I gravitated towards others who seemed normal. But it never failed: school year ends, September rolls back around, and the friend I had was completely different: violent, bullying, chaotic, untrustworthy - as if possessed. But a review of the past and who was who and who did what would, when old enough to understand it, reveal that it was "the summer when the parents split up". I have seen bright young lads become complete losers and "girl next door" types become coke sluts all in the span of a few months. To me at that young less jaded age these transformations were very frightening.

The only friends I had left, but the time I graduated, were the ones who were raised by parents like mine, older, more traditional - or just simplify it: not boomers. Our friendships were indestructible and we were all like brothers to each other.


And yes, the stink of this "Atrium of Lies" was starting to rise in the late 1980s. You can't stop the truth. The boomers took the Reagan revolution and squandered it on second mortgages and overpriced sedans. So Mike Judge was spot on depicting Gen-Xers as dejected cynics watching shows like "Sick Sad World" in the MTV series called "Daria" (the episodes BEFORE Judge went to Fox to do "King of the Hill").


I consider millennials and Gen-Z to be more lucky than Gen-X. We had the carrot and the stick. We got fooled. For Gen-Z there is no carrot and they are being beaten with the stick.


Anonymous X June 13, 2017 1:16 PM  

"It's like a psychedelic remake of Mommy Dearest."

Thread win

Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 1:16 PM  

Life isn't fair, William. This is the greatest lesson that has been learned by GenX. You still have much learn Boomerson.

Blogger Lovekraft June 13, 2017 1:17 PM  

You guys hear that Mary Kay Letourneau (born 1962) is splitting up with her former elementary school student Fualaau?

https://www.tmz.com/2017/05/30/mary-kay-letourneau-divorce-separation-student-vili-fualaau/

It really is a clown show. Tied into boomers, this example was brought about during the Boomer era (carried on by vultures).

Blogger KSC June 13, 2017 1:22 PM  

Millennial rather than Gen X. I took some of the bad advice, but will at least be lucky enough to be out of school with no debt. Unfortunately the job market in my field sucks. My skill-set doesn't lend itself particularly well to the economic situation we're in at the moment, so I know if I make it it will be due to a healthy does of luck and the nagnanimity of a number of different people. I'm not sure what the solution is for millennials who, for example, are not inclined or equipped to go into STEM but also don't have good ideas about how to be self-employed.

Luckily, my boomer family is extremely anti-debt and pro-financial management. So while my choices in college weren't the best, I won't be crippled by them for life.

Blogger VD June 13, 2017 1:24 PM  

Whatever you think a post proves, it is often a facile assessment but it is hard to try and give a balancing perspective when you are accused of doubling down, being butt hurt (my butt is fine thank you), being lumped in with those whom you have disagreed with your whole life.

We didn't ask for a balancing perspective. And I'm curious, how on Earth do you think that a single comment from you is going to somehow balance three or four decades of actual experience dealing with Boomers every single day?

I believe I have a right to say, "That's not me!" and if you can't deal with that, then that's on you.

You have a right to say whatever you want. And everyone else has the right to snort and observe that yet another self-centered Boomer is unable to distinguish between macro and micro.

You see, if that wasn't you, you wouldn't be bothered by the criticism. I was never the least bit bothered when they tried to label my generation "slackers". Because that wasn't me. It had literally nothing to do with me.

So, why do you protest? What does this have to do with you?

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 1:25 PM  

i think early gen x and late gen x have slightly different perspectives on boomers...

late gen x grew up as latch key kids. so much of genx psychology can be explained if you just remember that most of it was brought up with little to no family contact. for genx.. friends became family.

That is to say GenX was brought up knowing for a fact that it was really not very important to its parents. A genx kid was somewhere on mom and dad's priority list... just not at the top. Or in the top 3. Maybe more like not in the top 8.

A lot of GenX resentment of the Boomers is related to that fact. We raised ourselves. We taught ourselves to ride bikes... and then got criticism from the Boomers because we didn't learn until we were 7 and they were all riding when they were 4. We taught ourselves to throw and catch... we taught ourselves to tie our own shoes. We did all of that. And all we got from them was snide criticism about how much better at it they were when they were our age. that is... assuming any communication actually took place at all.

To me much of the disdain for the Boomer generation can be summed up easy.. yes we hate you. but you hated us first.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 1:27 PM  

#32 "Tell me, when are these people accountable???"

Unless you believe in a just afterlife, never. Furthermore the boomer snowflakes will bankrupt the country with catastrophic health care costs burned up on heroic efforts to extend their lives another 6 months. They will die with their certainty intact that they are worth any sacrifice their chilrens must endure.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 1:28 PM  

Whatever you think a post proves, it is often a facile assessment but it is hard to try and give a balancing perspective when you are accused of doubling down, being butt hurt (my butt is fine thank you), being lumped in with those whom you have disagreed with your whole life.

Translation: My butt hurts, and I mean really hurts, ....I just don't want anyone to think it does.

I believe I have a right to say, "That's not me!" and if you can't deal with that, then that's on you.

Translation: I'm the extra special exception. Quit picking on me!

Just remember all are not the same, so when you mob up, how are you going to distinguish the difference?

Translation: Not All Boomers Are Like That! ('Cuz we haven't heard that in all its variations yet).

Do I not get to be Alt-right as a full blooded English/European American just because I was born in 1947?

Translation: Why don't I feel included in your club?

My G-d. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 13, 2017 1:30 PM  

The only question is; will the Boomers now commit what is left of their strength to helping the X'ers and Millenials fix it.

That's about as likely as spotting Glenn Beck at a Trump rally wearing a "All Hail Pepe" shirt.

I'm thinking something more along the lines of James Taggart's last appearance in Atlas Shrugged. At the moment he realizes the looters have lost, does he admit they were wrong and dedicate himself to fixing what they broke? Not quite.

Blogger Carnivore June 13, 2017 1:31 PM  

Graduated in 1979 with $10K of debt and a starting salary of $20K. An inflation calculator comes up with roughly $30K of debt and starting salary of $60K for 2016 dollars. Is that a reasonable starting salary these days for STEM (electrical engineer)? I can't say; I'm still engineering, not management and not privy to that info.

But one thing is certainly out of whack - the tuition. In the four years, tuition averaged around $4K a year at that major university. Now it's around $60K. So, even if I had taken a loan for the full amount, it would have been $16K - still $4K less than my starting salary. Today - $240K total. Insane.

Going to the placement office was a joy. There were binders full of company interview schedules coming on campus to interview. ("Binders full" for engineering majors; liberal arts less so, but some nonetheless.) Wanting to stay in the Chicago area, I decided on telecom. There were numerous companies in that field in the Chicago area. And there was no concept of outsourcing and few women engineers. And these companies were not based on an app and creative financing and stock market shenanigans. These were large established corporations on large corporate campuses that employed hundreds or thousands of engineers.

Anonymous bobdobbs June 13, 2017 1:35 PM  

Xers are bitter and cynical? Why?

First thing that comes to mind, always, is having a poor relationship with the proper authority. Boomers are not the boss of you.

Let go. Let God.

Blogger James Dixon June 13, 2017 1:37 PM  

> I believe I have a right to say, "That's not me!" and if you can't deal with that, then that's on you. Just remember all are not the same,...

What part of "macro is not micro" from the previous boomer thread escaped you?

Anonymous Russell Newquist June 13, 2017 1:38 PM  

The only question is; will the Boomers now commit what is left of their strength to helping the X'ers and Millenials fix it.

No. Next question.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 1:39 PM  

"First thing that comes to mind, always, is having a poor relationship with the proper authority. Boomers are not the boss of you."

Shut up moron. Authority has nothing to do with it.

The insults hurled at X were for being apathetic and slacking... not rebellious.

You idiot boomers were the ones that wanted to throw every tradition away because you were to damn smart to be bothered with what had worked for thousands of years.

Blogger kurt9 June 13, 2017 1:39 PM  

I wrote the Magna Carta wrote:@15 Weak -- You are right. I originally had a 2-year electronics tech degree and over the years took a few classes in C++ and Assembly language while working. I also self-taught myself a couple other languages. I moved up into software after 7 years of proactive positioning. Like I said, my company moved manufacturing to Vietnam and cut massive jobs. You can read about Datalogic online somewhere. Loss of manufacturing jobs is a result of globalism and Trump was speaking directly to me. My engineering partner had to move to Vietnam for 3 years and take a 50% pay-cut. I'm sure I was paid a lot less than my engineer friends, but Datalogic found even cheaper labor overseas. Unfortunately, my health was severely declining and I literally retired with disability the same week my job ended. I'm a boomer, by the way.

Were you involved in the development of the "Axiom-X" barcode scanners? I recently used these in an automation project for a retail distribution center. They are very good. The problem is Datalogic itself, which has long lead-times (like 3 months) and poor customer service. Is this because they are manufactured in Vietnam? Or because Datalogic has MBA "bubble" managers who could not manage their way out of a paper bag if their life depended on it?

I believe Axiom used to be a separate company until Datalogic bought them.

Anonymous Russell Newquist June 13, 2017 1:41 PM  

To me much of the disdain for the Boomer generation can be summed up easy.. yes we hate you. but you hated us first.

They aborted a full 1/3 of their children. They didn't just hated us - they've been waging literal genocide against us since before we were born.

Anonymous bobdobbs June 13, 2017 1:43 PM  

Oh my goodness gracious!

It's hard to judge just who is more butt hurt around here.

Yes these threads can be fun. Everyone gets to be a fool! Me too! kekekek

Blogger Lovekraft June 13, 2017 1:44 PM  

@81: what you need to understand is that we are not attacking you but rather those webs of lies that entangle you.

We know there are good, brave people behind the web so let's agree that some webs are so intertwined and extensive that broad strokes of condemnation are necessary to dispel them.

Same goes for me. Age 48 and when the youth turn their sights on me, I will be eager to find out how to cast off my false assumptions (but being schooled in the world of VD, GBFM, Pepe etc, I think I'm pretty solid).

Anonymous X June 13, 2017 1:45 PM  

"They didn't just hated us - they've been waging literal genocide against us since before we were born."

Don't forget the grandchildren. The sick bastards hate them too.

Anonymous BluePony June 13, 2017 1:45 PM  

"Do I not get to be Alt-right as a full blooded English/European American just because I was born in 1947?"

Who cares? You want to be alt-right? Be alt-right through your actions.

I do everything I can to the extent of my resources these days to red pill and get people within my sphere of influence to rethink how the world works. I'm looking into building a platform like Vox has advised here. No idea if I can do it, but I'm trying. Already planning stuff for the 2018 elections.

Don't worry if the kids at table M don't want you eating lunch with them. FFS, we're up against very old and very powerful ideological forces who are comfortable enough now to openly call for our genocide, and have the power and influence to bring it about, and you're jimmy rustled about some angry Millennials?

The bulk of the previous generations DID squander it all. Yeah, I sometimes get tired of being blamed for sh!t I actively opposed, but you can't realistically expect anger to be well focused. That's just a human thing. After all the crap we get from the ProgLeft and Cucks, you should be developing the ability to deal with it.

To paraphrase Chief Brody in Jaws, you gonna need a thicker skin. Put a few points into Stamina or something.

Blogger Kerryman86 June 13, 2017 1:48 PM  

the baby boomer generation represents the unique generation that gets to enjoy the fruits of that particular empires peak hegemony.
Winning the birth ethnic lottery for each peak Pax Empirica changes depending on the historical time period
being a upper class Junia or Julia family member of roughly 20 years old at the time of Caesar's reign, being an upper class British nabob family member roughly 20 years old in 1880, or being and upper class Jewish Long Islander being roughly 20 years old during the inauguration of JFK.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 13, 2017 1:48 PM  

93. bobdobbs June 13, 2017 1:35 PM
Boomers are not the boss of you.

Let go. Let God.



and God said, "Obey your mother and father",

which means that they are the boss of us, dumbass.

Anonymous bobdobbs June 13, 2017 1:49 PM  

Much self, Nate? God's authority has everything to do with it.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 1:50 PM  

@96 Nate

"First thing that comes to mind, always, is having a poor relationship with the proper authority. Boomers are not the boss of you."

Shut up moron. Authority has nothing to do with it.

Yeah. I thought "Question Authority" was a Boomer thing.

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress June 13, 2017 1:51 PM  

Obvious saliency missing:

1. Boomers inherited a world their parent reduced to smoking rubble ... apart from our sea-isolated America. The world had to do business on our terms. Period. USA was the only game in town and Boomers were the children spoiled rotten by ...

2. WWII validated many Ellis Island families with the U.S.G.I. stamp of approval. Their fathers and grandfathers disembarked on Ellis Island penniless and now, a few short years later, they were literally wealthier than kings and emperors in the devastated Old Country. #FakeAmericans? Maybe. You may judge for yourself where America ends and the U.S. dollar begins.

3. Boomers (and their parents) are aggressive and risk-taking thanks to their winning track record and dulled amygdalae. Depression and War babies ("Silent" gen) were cautious and conservative thanks to their track record of unrelenting woe.

If we view these generations as two intertwined but separate chains, separate and in competition according to r/K Selection theory, it makes much more sense.

The Ellis Island/Boomer mentality of free and easy resources, starting with "America where the streets are paved with gold" and ending with Wall Street's Gordon Gekko in 2008, was/is the dominant controlling attitude in the U.S.

Conservatives, wary of change and unwilling to take unnecessary risk, calculate it wiser to keep a low profile. Ergo, the Boomers easily crush the party poopers.

If Anon Con is right, the K-selected off-generation is reevaluating their risk-reward profile and soon will decide the net present value of taking risky present action with tremendous, highly insensitive future benefit, outweighs even the smallish risk of immediate death in the process of repelling the In-generation of r-Selected rabbits.

Or at least I'm thinking in that direction. I have children and won't have any more. The imperative is for them to survive and if at all possible thrive. My life is a sunk cost at this point.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 1:53 PM  

#43 "no, this is a lie.

all four of my grandparents were from the interwar period, NONE of them displayed the bizarre Boomer disinterest in teaching their offspring.

this is not to say that they didn't have their own problems, but if you were old enough to actually know people who grew up during the Depression, that is NOT how they acted."

All four of my grandparents were born either before or during the Great War. I love and respect them, but let us be plain- it was they who created Pax Americana, it was they who passed the Anti-white legislation of the 60s, it was they who passed the 65 immigration act. It was they who erected and supported the disastrous and debilitating church of equality. It was the parents of the boomers who laid these moral, legal, and social foundations for the declining America we currently live in. The boomers added financially reckless borrowing and a childish, stubborn commitment to their own entitlement at the expense of all else. Perhaps it is fair to say the transgressions of the Silents and GG were mistakes from ignorance, whereas I boomers trend from ignorance to, over time as the facts continue to stack up, willful ignorance and denial. For instance, my father and uncle are Silents (86 & 88). I do not doubt that at the time they may well have bought into the lie of equality, yet now they seem willing to accept that a disaster has been erected on that lie. Those sorts of look agains don't seem as common among boomers do they?

Anonymous bobdobbs June 13, 2017 1:54 PM  

Not much rule 12 around here. Whee!

Anonymous BluePony June 13, 2017 1:54 PM  

"Yeah. I thought "Question Authority" was a Boomer thing."

I thought it was an American thing when I was young.

Boy, did society have a surprise for me.

Blogger Student in Blue June 13, 2017 1:55 PM  

It is interesting trying to figure out why exactly the Boomer generation, as a whole, are so much more... narcissistic? Solipsistic? Whatever the term for 'being unable to distance oneself from a label'.

Also those attempts at trying to equate "I don't like boomers" with "Don't trust anyone over 30" is disingenuous. Boomers are not just "old people", after all. Silents and Greatest Generation were "old people" but they weren't Boomers, am I right?

So really age has nothing to do with it.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 1:56 PM  

# 82 post was pretty interesting. Parents of the same age as mine. I think I start to see why I did not see what many here have described.

In my class in high school we had 1 divorce while we kids were still under 18. That guy later went Queer, the only one in my high school class to do so (at least that I know of). Divorce , while supposedly rising the entire time I was young was not really that prevalent where I was raised. I have heard numerous times from people that their innocence ended when their parents got divorced, that was the end of childhood.

If the Boomer parents were close to the selfishness as universally described in this and the prior thread, we are in pretty sad shape. I doubt the kids fall far form the tree, if one is realistic about it. Very though provoking and it makes one wonder, if the personnel making up the population are so lacking, if any chance of a turn around is possible? It seems not if what folks here describe is true.

A lot to ponder.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 13, 2017 1:57 PM  

Ever been to Sun City, Arizona?

It is the Boomer Mecca, and the stereotypes about Boomers are in full force.

Anonymous X June 13, 2017 2:01 PM  

"Ever been to Sun City, Arizona?

It is the Boomer Mecca, and the stereotypes about Boomers are in full force."

Heard the same about parts of Florida.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J June 13, 2017 2:03 PM  

My parents were born in '54. Boomers. All of my grandparents were in the Army, Navy, or WAVES/WACS. Mom's side was working class poor. Dad's was better off but still middle class, not upper by any means. Mom went into nursing. Dad finished a degree in biz while working full time in a factory. Hell I f they could make it, anyone could. I was just lazy and playing victim to the decadence of MTV and easy credit.

Dad always said a degree would open any door for me, so I enrolled in college but they did not pay for a thing for me. They wouldn't, period. Felt I had to go my own way with it. I'm the oldest; they paid for my siblings education 100%. When I couldn't get a huge paycheck after graduation they said I was wasting my life and potential. Maybe I was, but what did I know? Managers, corporate structures, career guidance smeminars, they never said anything practical to me. I need practical.

Boomers like to speak in clouds and expect we'll pull the rain down from them.

Anonymous grey enlightenment June 13, 2017 2:07 PM  

KSC wrote:... I'm not sure what the solution is for millennials who, for example, are not inclined or equipped to go into STEM but also don't have good ideas about how to be self-employed.

Luckily, my boomer family is extremely anti-debt and pro-financial management. So while my choices in college weren't the best, I won't be crippled by them for life.


pyrrhus wrote:It's funny, the wealthier GenX or young boomer parents are still pushing useless college degrees as the panacea for all ills. When I point out that Jobs, Gates, and Zuck don't have them, they look displeased...But the son of a good friend of mine, who is a Boomer, started a software firm out of high school and his father supported him. Last I heard, he had about 30 employees...

There are some misconceptions about degrees. The problem is the anti-college folks don't offer better alternatives. If you have rich parents who will fund your start-up like in the case of Gates, or are lucky, dropping out can work. http://greyenlightenment.com/despite-indoctrination-a-college-degree-may-still-be-the-best-path-out-of-poverty/ College may suck, but the alternatives don't seem much better either.

Blogger Peter Jackson June 13, 2017 2:07 PM  

I fall at the tail end of the boomer generation, with two grown kids, age 27 and 25. I would never have counseled them to take on student debt to get a liberal arts degree. I was also not going to pay for them to get a worthless degree.

(My daughter graduated first in her class from Cornell in Industrial and Labor Relations; she's a stay-at-home mom; her husband runs a law firm. Her grandfather paid most of her college expenses. I paid for my son's degree in SW Engineering from Georgia Tech, and now he does web development.)

I would still say buying a home is good advice as a hedge against inflation and as a tax haven, given that you have to live somewhere. I would advise spending no more than 28% of gross monthly income on a home, and don't buy fancy cars unless you can really afford them.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 2:12 PM  

@109

Not much rule 12 around here. Whee!

There's plenty of Rule 12 around here, but dialectic doesn't affect everyone the same, most especially the ones who illustrate the OP better than the OP.

It's an equal opportunity blog where even the morons get to post for our occasional amusement and entertainment.

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 2:16 PM  

I would still say buying a home is good advice as a hedge against inflation and as a tax haven, given that you have to live somewhere. I would advise spending no more than 28% of gross monthly income on a home, and don't buy fancy cars unless you can really afford them.

Those numbers dont work for most people any more. 28% of gross on housing doesnt get you much in the major job markets so you end up with both parents working and paying for child care.
To make the numbers work you really have to look at having 1 above average income, homeschooling and living in a "cheap" town. Realistically the location you live in has socioencoonomic consequences for who your child will most likely develop around/ play with / etc.
Its not impossible to work the numbers out but it is becoming ever more difficult. And as job security becomes more tenuous that sweet spot beomces harder to maintain as you are more likely to have to chase employment into the higher expnse areas that tend to blow the numbers up.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 2:17 PM  

I am curious: Do any of the millenials with parents in the 1965 to 1970 time frame see their parents as better than the boomers or suffering form the same defects and the 1945 to 1961~1965 Boomers.

note: the dates overlap as I am not quite sure when the boomers end, having heard dates as early as 1961 and as late as 1965. But given the 1965 to 1970 cohort is 45 to 50, there should be some adult children of that cohort and I am curios if they see their Gen X parents any differently than Boomers.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 13, 2017 2:23 PM  

Ever been to Sun City, Arizona?

It is the Boomer Mecca, and the stereotypes about Boomers are in full force.


Ah, so we know where to rain the fire down on then.

One of the few things GenX and GenY can totally agree on is how much we jointly hate boomers.

That and Metallica.

Anonymous bobdobbs June 13, 2017 2:23 PM  

One last time, Rabbi, Let God. Glad that's amusing!

Anonymous Roundtine June 13, 2017 2:24 PM  

I don't fault Boomers for their bad advice. The world changed beyond anyone's imagination. It's going to change as radically in the next 20 years if white-collar automation kicks off.

I blame them for having a high time preference. Boomers could have avoided the debt and entitlement crisis, they could have avoided the turn to socialism via mass immigration. All of this was evident and still avoidable in the 1990s. I blame them for being in charge after 9/11 and massively increasing Muslim immigration in the following 16 years.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 13, 2017 2:25 PM  

Periodically, my sweet and well meaning mother-in-law freaks out about our retirement plans. In her mind, it's still 1970 and the $US keeps its purchasing power.

I mean sure, we've got 401ks, but how's that going to work out if they're nationalized to pay for SS as S.Misantrope mentioned yesterday.

How's a 401k going to protect us during the coming civil war?

I'm blessed my Silent parents taught me a bunch of useful skills like sewing, gardening, budgeting, and delayed gratification.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 13, 2017 2:26 PM  

Mother in law is a boomer.

Anonymous Roundtine June 13, 2017 2:27 PM  

Ancient Chinese proverb: Wealth does not pass the third generation.

Gen X is generation 4.

Anonymous Überdeplorabe Psychedelic Cat Grass June 13, 2017 2:29 PM  

Early Millenial ('86)...two Boomer parents (late '50s). I don't blame them for Hart-Cellar or any of the other woes, them individual or the generation writ large. I blame the Greatest and Silents for those monstrosities.

I've got two bachelors and a master's that are pretty ill-suited to the real world...was planning on doing what Sherwood and Jourdan do for work and it didn't work out. Thankfully, much to my parents' foresight, I've got no debt. Just a series of dead end jobs (two federal contracting positions and my current private sector job). I'm to blame for it, nobody else.

My siblings went into medicine, which I have no interest in doing whatsoever. At the same time too, I am somewhat happy. Had I stayed on as an engineering student, I would've been miserable. Better to be poor and happy than rich and miserable (which I think one of my siblings is).

The one slight I may hold against my parents (though I know I wouldn't have liked it as a career), given how upper class my family is, they never once gave us any other options besides college. Trades were never mentioned and my dad was threatened with death if the military was ever toted as a viable option.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 13, 2017 2:30 PM  

them individually, not indvidual

Anonymous 100PctAmerican June 13, 2017 2:30 PM  

@98

Russell, you're right. Tragically, you're right.

The Boomers wanted sex with no consequences. And if a consequence happened, just like Obama said, avoid at all costs being "punished" with a child.

Since Roe vs. Wade, many in Generation X have been aborted.

Like... 6,711,554.

U.S. Abortion Statistics By Year: 1973 - Current

Yay, "free love."

Blogger Sheila4g June 13, 2017 2:31 PM  

Vox, as a comment here and a few at Z blog noted, a lot of Boomers were the children of 1st or 2nd generation immigrants. How much would you say that affected the characterization of that generation as a whole? Whenever I see breakouts of politics or social attitudes based on religion (and I'm assuming most immigrant descendents to be non-protestant) it would seem to have made a large difference.

OT: In searching old newspaper articles to rebut an obnoxious commenter elsewhere, I found a perfect example of Jewish retconning of history and introducing the idea of America as a Judeo-Christian nation by a rabbi in 1907, Denver, Colorado. I realize such examples probably abound, but if you're interested, let me know and I'll send you the snips/quotes.

Blogger William Meisheid June 13, 2017 2:34 PM  

VD wrote:
So, why do you protest? What does this have to do with you?


Why? I guess because the mob mentality doesn't take into account the difference. I guess because, while these labels do carry some generalized validity as all stereotypes do, they tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Partly it is because in the working class people I grew up with, these assumptions rarely applied and most of those I know/knew have been what is now called alt-right decades before you all gave it a name. Thank you for codifying the 14 points by the way. Classifying a belief system is a very necessary step that takes real skill.

We all start from a base and if you are worth your salt you grow and correct from there, doing the best you can to find the truth with the resources you have, and adjust accordingly. Qualifying arguments are often a necessary corrective that reminds us that while there is a difference between the macro and micro, the macro is not as homogeneous as some would like it to be. It's also not that the difference isn't understood, it's that each should get its due because otherwise blame falls where it is not deserved, which is actually important and is often forgotten.

Am I pissing against the wind? Maybe. But I am used to it, since I never fit in with the so called Boomers as most of my friends didn't either. You could say a lot of us have been pissing against the wind most of our lives.

Have a great day.

Blogger Timmy3 June 13, 2017 2:36 PM  

The thing is most people aren't brilliant. They are mediocre so a degree makes them less mediocre. I would not be working without an Engineering college degree, but I also know people who got laid off and never worked again. Buying a house has the same risks. Yes, you could take on more debt and bought and sold at the wrong time. Happened to me the first time and lost $25K. The second house where I live now had more than $200K in equity. So you live and take your chances. This decisions are independent of boomers. My boomer parents asked me to be an Engineer and I'm a boomer myself at the tail end of the boomer cycle. A college degree should not be pursued haphazardly. Ultimately, an economics degree is less useful than an accounting degree. An engineering degree is more useful than a mathematics degree. A business degree is more useful than an English degree. So choose wisely.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 13, 2017 2:37 PM  

Weak wrote:As Scott Adams points out, the unemployment rate for engineers is basically 0.0%.
Not anymore it's not.  Engineers have become expendable starting about age 40, and with the surge in H-1Bs that number is going down.  There are LOTS of unemployed and underemployed American engineers now.  Do a little searching for "age discrimination" and you'll start finding the truth.

Education especially in engineering or medicine is good. We were lied that that is the end of the road. Nope. That's the platform of skills that let's you survive.
That's the honest truth.  If I told you what I'm working on right now and its potential, you probably wouldn't believe me.  I wouldn't even have been able to start on it if I hadn't basically put myself on a STEM course starting from junior high.

Blogger Azimus June 13, 2017 2:39 PM  

VD:
An Xer explains why Generation X is bitter and cynical


As a late Xer, my take on this is that Xers are old enough to know what was lost, smart enough to know where we're headed, and civilized enough not to avenge our betrayal.

Blogger Quilp June 13, 2017 2:45 PM  

"The point is that most Boomers are going to be an obstruction to the necessary policies and it will not be possible to convince them otherwise. It would be foolish to simply ignore that." Vox nailed it.

Individuals who overcame boomer parents, or just the world Boomers presented to X'ers and millennials should of course be commended, lauded etc. But those accomplishments are in part noteworthy because they overcome the boomer environment. I, as a late boomer gravitated to the alt right because results matter, and conservative inc had ultimately failed that test, and failed miserably. The Alt right, as far as my newcomer eyes can see, is about actual results, grounded in reality, on a National scale. That is going to require structural changes. Those changes will not be to make it easier or not have anything to overcome for the next generations, but to simply make it possible for them to continue to live in the first world.

The boomers will resist. They are a generation that believes their own BS, and that BS generally gets affirmed for them every single morning by the Today show, Morning Joe, later in the evening by Anderson Vanderpoof etc...whatever their poison happens to be. Make no mistake, they will resist, and they will do so punching down the generational ladder. They promised themselves a golden retirement after all, and they will hold the young to that promise they made to themselves. Thats all that matters to them. Any threat of their deviating from that line of thinking will have not only the left, but conservative inc funding commercials of grandma going over the cliff in a wheelchair. Don't even bother going after the boomer opinion, those who find their way here will do so on their own. You need the youth, and from what I see, you have a good start at lest getting their attention.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash June 13, 2017 2:52 PM  

Grow a pair and grow up. It's not too late.
You should take your own advice.

Whenever these threads come up, I have to fight the urge to begin apologizing. Apologizing for the actions of people I fought every step of the way as they tried, and succeeded, at tearing down every societal safeguard in place for children. I see the devastation my generation has wrought, is still wreaking, on families, children, grandchildren, the Church, businesses, the nation, the economy, the financial system, foreign countries.
Everything.
I saved what and who I could, but it wasn't enough.

And 1968 can go straight to hell. Mocking your victims is bad form.

Oh, the Beatles were a perfectly adequate pop group, with some very catchy tunes and a catalog showing surprising versatility. George Harrison was an excellent guitarist.

Blogger Timmy3 June 13, 2017 3:01 PM  

The Beatles was just a boy band. I never understood their appeal.

Blogger William Meisheid June 13, 2017 3:02 PM  

An observation: the false Christian doctrine, known as the "Prosperity" doctrine could only have become relatively mainstream in Charismatic and Pentecostal circles in the "Boomer" milieu. The idea that you deserved prosperity is rooted in everything being derided here. The "Boomer" mentality is the secularized form of the "Prosperity" doctrine that grew up together in a generation that just knew "they DESERVED a break today". After all, even Ronald McDonald knew it.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 13, 2017 3:05 PM  

The main way Boomers screwed the Xers, imho, is by not producing enough of them. I first noticed this in 1980, when suddenly both rock 'n roll radio stations in my town stopped playing new music. I would soon take up the name "Classic Rock". A small matter, but that's when I noticed the problem. Then, maybe fifteen years later after the Xers developed an "Alternative" or "Indie" radio station, one day we all woke up and were surprised to hear it had become a "Musica Latina" all Spanish station in the dead of night without warning. That's when I began to feel the problem was indeed fatal.

The Xers are an enervated generation. Literally woke up one day in their prime and, if they were paying attention, realized they were never really going to be taken to the ball.

And in the tech industry, that's where I was. It was the supposed way of the future or so the Xers and everybody else all were told. The bubble burst in the year 2000, when most of the Xers were still very junior in the field. STEM wages stagnated then and never really picked back up like they were expected to. Of course, the Boomers promptly started selling them out to the Indians and only rubbed salt in the wound.

Blogger Azimus June 13, 2017 3:06 PM  

15. Weak June 13, 2017 11:44 AM
The lie wasn't to get that engineering degree. Those are great. As Scott Adams points out, the unemployment rate for engineers is basically 0.0%.


D*mn straight.

Always moving, always learning new skills, always on the next newest project going forward.

This. Protestant work ethic, engineering degree (CivE), and a near-suicidal interest in attacking the problems nobody knows how to solve have been the chief building blocks of my now-15yr-old career.

Education especially in engineering or medicine is good.

If you are interested in being a useful, contributing member to civilization, the above is correct. I would add finance/business as a distant 3rd (it is, at least, useful knowledge though not necessarily leading to anything productive). Maybe coding but it seems like that industry is going indy... for both the H1B and Independent sense of that word.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 3:13 PM  

'Education especially in engineering or medicine is good. '

sure.

unless you're part of the 80% of the population that isn't capable of either.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 3:20 PM  

"Much self, Nate? God's authority has everything to do with it. "

A boomer... of all people... lecturing us about Authority.

Tell us... how did you G-G-G-Generation respect authority? What you offer is nothing but Grade-A projection. My parents are Silents... and I honour them every day. And of course... I would point out... they hate you piece of crap Boomers just as much as we do.

Which should tell you something.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash June 13, 2017 3:23 PM  

Just do what I did kids. Yes, I got in before they stopped hiring White guys and I really really enjoy it. But whatever your talent or inclination, it's a good choice."
Seriously, tech has become a dead end, and engineering has moved offshore.

Anonymous UF June 13, 2017 3:29 PM  

"Do any of the millenials with parents in the 1965 to 1970 time frame see their parents as better than the boomers or suffering form the same defects and the 1945 to 1961~1965 Boomers."

The latter.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 13, 2017 3:35 PM  

I am a woman, a grandmother, Gen Xer, born in 1966, a nationalist, and as alt-right as they come. There is nothing weird or wrong or illegitimate about me being in this movement, I am not a weirdo who is attracted to "fringe" politics, I have 8 grandchildren and a real stake in the future of this country's future. The better question in my mind, is not why there are so few of us women like me who would fight to the death for this movement, but why aren't all women who have children and grandchildren? This takes me to the hated Boomers. I have had a Boomer hatred all of my life. It began with feminism. I learned about feminism in my elementary school from the screwy cat ladies and Jr cat ladies who began in my 3rd grade year by doing away with actual grade levels and mixing us kids into "units," based on where they felt we best belonged. That meant 2nd and 4th graders were permanently put in classes together, walls removed from classrooms, desks removed, classes held in groups on the floor, outside in tents, in groups of 100, in the dark,by studying lyrics of Bob Dylan & The Beatles, and other bizarre learning ideas these stupid Boomer feminist hippies thought up to destroy my early years. I could write a book about all the kids who regressed to wetting their pants, while wearing their house keys around their necks on dirty white shoes strings, so mommy could go find herself, at her job at JC Penny. I loathe them all, and their white, knee high go go boots & bouffant sprayed heads, as well.
I volunteer to push the wheelchairs of the ones that are left off the cliffs with Gen Z, whenever the coming Boomercide arrives.

Anonymous Sam the man June 13, 2017 3:35 PM  

So I read up on the generational theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

Still not sure I buy into the entire generational theory business, I have to say the date of 1943 to 1960 seems a better match, the difference in economic prospects between someone who came of age between 1964 and 1974 and someone who came of age in 1980 were sharply different. You see it in marriage rates, divorce rates and all else. It seems to me a cohort rating might be more accurate, but perhaps the abstraction would be lost as the differences would be too small to make different generalizations.

If the Generational theory has some validity the flaws of the boomers that folks are listing will equally apply to the Gen-X as they get older as well. it will be interesting to see what the homeland generation and says about the Gen-X in 10 years, by the description is will be equally as harsh of Gen X.

Interestingly the Millennial should be a hero generation, which means war and recovery in their time. Somehow that does not seem to be occurring, as the older millenials are already past prime military age. Perhaps the "homeland generation" will fill that role. Perhaps this generational theory kind of breaks down and is an abstraction that is not all that useful.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. June 13, 2017 3:36 PM  

1968 wrote:More whining by loser Xers and millennials. ... they fail to take responsibility in all things. ... And the wonder why their generations are so messed up.

Grow a pair and grow up. It's not too late.


I'm rich, bitch.

In spite of everything your generation threw my way, I'm successful beyond my wildest expectations. And I did it all on my own, with literally no help from anyone.

Your generation couldn't hack it in the now if your life depended on it and you are going to die clueless.

Sooner rather than later, I hope. I'd like some RAHOWA before I'm too old to lift my AR and you're holding up the show.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 13, 2017 3:36 PM  

William Meisheid wrote:. I guess because, while these labels do carry some generalized validity as all stereotypes do, they tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

NABALT! It's a tired saw that boomers are obsessed with. You constantly scream about stereotypes while you opposition repeatedly states "macro and micro are two different things". You can't fathom that we understood your point before you even opened your mouth.

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 3:40 PM  

STEM.... Dont forget about the waste land that is 1099 contracting. In the days of yore the world of contracting was more for those who had proven they were the top of the class and could make is as an expert consulting to various groups.
Now? well with H1B, cheap indian / asian STEM people who have 15 degrees (half bought and paid for) yet ask for entry level salary, followed by a helping of racial and sex based nepotism, and suddenly half of the native US STEM population is struggling by as 1099 temps who would kill for a full time position. There are still great experts in the consulting world but it has become more and more a "meat market" of skilled labor where globaization drives the available incomes lower and lower for all except the best connected who are relativly well skilled.
Its third world economy right here in your own back yard. A STEM degree is a role of the dice at best until we actually protecxt our own national employment markets.

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 3:42 PM  

@145 Zeroh Tollrants

I learned about feminism in my elementary school from the screwy cat ladies and Jr cat ladies who began in my 3rd grade year by doing away with actual grade levels and mixing us kids into "units," based on where they felt we best belonged.

That meant 2nd and 4th graders were permanently put in classes together, walls removed from classrooms, desks removed, classes held in groups on the floor, outside in tents, in groups of 100, in the dark,by studying lyrics of Bob Dylan & The Beatles, and other bizarre learning ideas these stupid Boomer feminist hippies thought up to destroy my early years.

My wife (b. 1968) had a very a similar experience growing up in Duluth, MN. It was called Open School, which she "attended" for a couple of years in elementary school. No one had desks and the teachers were addressed by their first names.

She remembers that she could sign her name on the chalkboard whenever she wanted to leave the class room and go do something else. So, what do you think an 8 or 9 year old kid is going to do everyday? Sign out and hit the playground, of course. Which she did for most of those couple of years.

She still looks back on those years with disdain. Open School indeed.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J June 13, 2017 3:49 PM  

Yeah, if you're capable of it. Most, many, are not. Community college and grade inflation tell otherwise capable mechanics, technicians, and other worker bees that they needn't BE worker bees...they can be the designers and managers of third works off shored worker bees. What's not to love about it?

My husband did one semester in college, our local state U which is generally accepted as a Great School. He aced his maths and physics but Lit and the Sociology stuff he was kerflempt. He wanted TO DO but couldn't see four more years getting in the way of that. College was not his way, but his parents and mine and so many others said college was the only way.

Now we live comfortably. Not rich at all, not in a 7500 sqft house like my double Masters degree bro and his double Masters wife. But I know which of us will survive if the end times do manifest.

One thing I hate about Boomers is the Global Warming sh*tshow. My SILs mom hates TGE because he doesn't believe in Global Warming. But she is retired and has two people living in a five BR McMansion on 10 acres of drained wetlands. Year-round she decorates with lights and animatronics and maintains an inground pool (on wetlands-requires year round drainage). She hosts parties and celebrates that their culdesac will have 10 Indian (call center, not casino) people in ONE HOUSE on their sheltered culdesac. But she bemoans Trump and Global Warming Inc., even as she leaves on another three-week vaycay to Morocco or Panama or Venice.

I'm out. Just out. I want to like people. But no.

Anonymous Grayman June 13, 2017 3:55 PM  

@151. Midnight Avenue J

I want to like people. But no.

Cooked properly as a pulled-"pork" type BBQ might change your mind about liking people!

Blogger Midnight Avenue J June 13, 2017 4:01 PM  

@ Grayman thanks but I'll pass. Wouldn't want to assimilate them into my being in any way.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 4:04 PM  

# 149 Grayman.

I agree on your point, I think a lot of these problems resentments would go away if folks had a chance to make it in the manner that folks could in the postwar boom cycle (up until the middle ~late 1970s).

Rereading the comments something that comes up that may be indicative of an issue across all these generations: sense of entitlement.

Some (not all) of the Gen-X folks here complaining about their parents not sharing with them or taking care of them seem to have expectations beyond what prior generations had. My silent generation parents were somewhat parsimonious with us kids, in a attempt to make us go out and earn what we wanted. In my and my siblings cases it worked. It is far easier to make it in life with low expectations, you feel quite well off with out all that much by modern day standards.

In comparison it seems many of the boomers, at least when their kids were young, provided relatively much more material stuff to their kids, which lead to their kids expecting more. I do not know, it could also be the Boomer parents gave material goods and ignored the spiritual gifts, and then when adults expected them to make their way with no help, when they were not prepared. Still there seems to be an expectation of the children of Boomers for largess that we kids of silent Generations never expected. They also seem to expect more material goods then we did, with less effort. The expectation of struggle that silents gave their kids seem to be lacking, at least in younger Gen-X folks. I do not say that as a slight, but the children of Boomers expected the good times to continue, whereas children of silents perhaps do not take that for granted.

part of the problem is the boomers were on the receiving end of a unique period of widespread prosperity, while gen-X started down that path to a poorer world and the Homeland generation is even further down that path to peasantry. The resentments of the Gen-X are understandable, especially if their Boomer parents lead them to believe the future was brighter than it was to be with less struggle than expected.

As I reread the above something is lacking. As a edge of boomer/Gen X my cohort sees the younger folks got a bad deal, just as we did relative to folks a decade before us. But a path was possible for us with a decade of two of struggle. That path is much less possible for the vast majority of later Gen-X folks, which leads to the attitudes noted above.

Perhaps on the long view what we are seeing is a multigenerational collapse of our civilization. Sad but I note the adage to "honor your parents" seems as ill ignored as the old time Christian religion that seems to have had some part in the establishment of the ascendant west.

These two posts on this topic and the comments have been very thought provoking.

Anonymous Jim June 13, 2017 4:07 PM  

"I'm not bitter about it, but I, too, was somewhat snake-bit by Boomer cluelessness about the changing world."

I am not bitter or angry at the boomers. I just wish they would have a big cup of STFU and quit annoying me and the rest of us, telling us how great they are...? Not all boomers are annoying, just 90% of them (I know many boomers who served in the military in the 70's to the 2000's, who are decent human beings). Also, 70 isn't the new 50, 60 isn't the new 40, boomers. Get over the fact boomers you ain't the cool kids anymore. You are just old and wrinkly, it happens.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 4:13 PM  

Most Boomers just aint woke, and likely never will be. Here is the video of self-righteous, willfully clueless cucks at the Houston anti-antifa/black panther rally punching right. The exercise of virtue signalling against other whites brought such joy to their sterile, shrunken souls they literally sang as the alt-right was perp-walked out of their area. The Church of Equality is far worse than no religion at all because it admits no joy into the soul save that of the joy of hating whitey. These people have been voting republican on tuesdays and reciting their anti-racist catechisms on sundays and cant understand why they keep losing moral authority and power to the globalists and their racist tools. It must be because they haven't been punching right hard enough. Sadly, most of them are boomers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRbIdaLD4Q&feature=youtu.be

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 4:13 PM  

"Some (not all) of the Gen-X folks here complaining about their parents not sharing with them or taking care of them seem to have expectations beyond what prior generations had."

You can't read.

Blogger William Meisheid June 13, 2017 4:16 PM  

You can't fathom that we understood your point before you even opened your mouth.

Oh, I can fathom it, just don't see the evidence of it.

Anonymous Conservative born 1952 June 13, 2017 4:23 PM  

Boomers join groups like Oathkeepers who kick the asses of both leftists and alt-right Nazi racists.

GenX jerks off to the Daily Stormer and anime.

Boomers man up and marry our women, even if our women are not perfect.

GenX call women "sluts" and use "game" to trick ladies into bed.

Boomers have large families and adopt kids of all races.

GenX pretend to do politics on Twitter by calling people "cucks" like good little Nazis.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 4:24 PM  

"Oh, I can fathom it, just don't see the evidence of it."

shhhh.... there are some old people somewhere desperate to hear about how great the cars where when you were 20. You should go tell them.

Blogger tz June 13, 2017 4:27 PM  

Most boomers didn't go to Vietnam. They may object but they aren't going to fight any better now than they did at Kent State.

It will be interesting when the "pro-choice" goes hemlock society. Well mom, you are getting dimentia, so you can't handle your affairs, so someone needs durable power of attorney...

I think it will happen in Japan first - at least economically. The seeds are already in Europe that accepts the practice.

They broke the intergenerational contract. They might not like the results.

Even so, their influence continues - drugs and free "love" means we have addiction and the "hookup culture".

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 13, 2017 4:29 PM  

Oh, I can fathom it, just don't see the evidence of it.

Maybe try explaining again about how you and your friends are special and not like that?

Blogger Ransom Smith June 13, 2017 4:30 PM  

Boomers have large families and adopt kids of all races

Negotiation's over. Sentence is death

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 4:32 PM  


Oblivious Boomer is oblivious.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 4:36 PM  

Carlin has plenty to say about Boomers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBOW7gKmixA

Blogger Rabbi B June 13, 2017 4:38 PM  

@159

Boomers have large families...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Spare us all the histrionics.

My wife punched out ten kids and we were smart enough not subject them to the fires of public/government schooling and instead were disciplined and committed enough to educate them at home, while enduring withering criticism from various and sundry relatives and naysayers of the Boomer generation pontificating about "socialization" and "deprivation" because they'll never letter in some sport or go to the prom.

Your generation? Your generation sanctioned and enshrined infanticide into law, and sucked a good portion my generation into a sink to the tune of 1 MM a year since 1973, while telling us how you couldn't afford to have and raise more than 2.0 children.

"...and adopt kids of all races."

Yeah, well ... there you go. /FACEPALM

Stop lecturing, and for the love of G-d and all that is holy, stop LYING.



Anonymous JAG June 13, 2017 4:39 PM  

Azimus wrote:VD:

An Xer explains why Generation X is bitter and cynical


As a late Xer, my take on this is that Xers are old enough to know what was lost, smart enough to know where we're headed, and civilized enough not to avenge our betrayal.


This covers it perfectly. i began to realize all of this in my early 20s.

I'm even more bitter at the WW2 Generation than even the Boomers. The bill for the tyrant FDR's Raw Deal is going to fall on Xers and Mills. I got into heated arguments with a WW2 guy about this very thing, and he tried to excuse it by claiming it kept a lot of people out of poverty. That's great, and all, but it guaranteed crippling poverty for future generations that had the can kicked all the way down to them.

The Boomers kicked that can down to us rather than try and deal with the mess their parents made. On top of that they piled on all this Marxist crap that has just about destroyed us. Gen X and the Millennials could deal with this, and be the ones to bite the bullet, if we had a functional civilization that didn't need saving first. The least they could do is shut the hell up, and get out of the way.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 4:41 PM  

Actually Nate I can read, between this and the other thread there were several poster who flat out said they resented their boomer parents for not sharing their stuff with them.

Of course they said their parents were selfish, and that was likely true (I don't know I only have some side of it). But the sense of entitlement did shine through, they thought they were owed being given stuff by their parents, as a right of birth. What is that but as sense of entitlement?

In my experience, children of Silent generation do not share that expectation, though strangely enough due to the saving tendency of the silents, they did get something from their parent's estate. But many had an expectation they might have to take care of their silents when old, just as the silents took care of their parents when they ware old.

Not all Gen-X are like this, but some, by their own words fill those boots.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 4:44 PM  

http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/24/news/economy/social-security-student-debt/index.html

ALSO... YOU IDIOT BOOMERS STILL HAVEN'T PAID YOUR STUDENT LOANS.

Anonymous JAG June 13, 2017 4:47 PM  

Oh yeah, and Boomers... there are less Gen Xers than either Boomers or Mills because you friggin' murdered a large portion of us in the womb. Tell us again about "manning up" and your "family values", and then go soak your head.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 13, 2017 4:47 PM  

#159 "Boomers have large families and adopt kids of all races."
Is that what your wife told you about her black son?

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 4:53 PM  

"Of course they said their parents were selfish, and that was likely true (I don't know I only have some side of it). But the sense of entitlement did shine through, they thought they were owed being given stuff by their parents, as a right of birth. What is that but as sense of entitlement?"

Throughout history families have strived to have something to leave to their children to make their lives better.

Pointing out that the Boomers were given more than any generation has been given in hundreds of years... and not only blew it all... but then burned up even more... is not evidence of entitlement.

The primary complaints of GenX isn't stuff. Its the fact that the boomers killed the Golden Goose.. mortgaged the house... then moved in a bunch of strangers off the street to help pay the mortgage.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 5:04 PM  

Nate,

When you say it that way I concur. But is that really what these folks are really bitching about? If so they did not state it nearly so elegantly as you have. I simply took them at their own word. Also note that as I would expect relatively few of the Boomers are dead yet, using the 1945 start date, the oldest Boomer is 72. The complaints were not that the Boomers did not leave them anything, yet, which kind of indicates they are alive.

But if the Boomers are as absorbed, greedy and materialistic as folks say, well I can see the point you made. Given the many assertions of that, it may well be a valid generalization.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 13, 2017 5:05 PM  

The primary complaints of GenX isn't stuff. Its the fact that the boomers killed the Golden Goose.. mortgaged the house... then moved in a bunch of strangers off the street to help pay the mortgage.

^^ this.

It goes for Millennials as well.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 13, 2017 5:16 PM  

# 174:

Are you saying Gen-X is immune? I ask as I wonder if the trends noted just get worse with time or are actually generationally linked. Are millennial worse than Gen-X folks in that regard?

Seems to me Millenials have a much worse time than Gen-X did, the path to decent life is much harder than pre 2001 tech collapse and worse following the 2008 bank bubble.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 13, 2017 5:22 PM  

What I read was that Boomers didn't share relevant or useful knowledge, not Boomer daddy didn't buy them a pony. In the long run, skills are about as useful as $$$.

When Xers did post about money, it was "mom can I have money to eat until payday," not expecting a beamer at 16.

It was more the self centeredness of it all than actual cash.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 13, 2017 5:28 PM  

Sam the Man

Yes, Millenials have it worse. Fewer jobs, fewer entry level jobs, higher college costs, what jobs there are require some bs certification.

GenX can retire noon the day of their funerals. Millennials will have their corpse animated to put in overtime.

Blogger Glenn Donovan June 13, 2017 5:35 PM  

Born in '62 I have an interesting POV. I'll put it simply - it's not the Boomers, it's the left. And it's also women entering the political and economic world. Sure, there are leftist Boomer men, but we've never faced a group of feral, half-smart irrational fellow citizens like this before.

It's not a coincidence that the consumerist and debt culture run amok after women start running the spending of households. It's not a coincidence that they are incapable of long range planning, and are always willing to listen to a "better deal" - women are not capable of what this system and society demands of free men. Period.

Be clear, it's the Left and women who've made a hash of things. Of course, this is due to a silly idea about equality run amok, but really, it's just been weaponized.

As for the comments on housing, bubbles aren't unique to Boomers, and the system has been deformed for a long time. And gamed since it's inception. So, bitch please.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 13, 2017 5:35 PM  

Assuming that the preponderance of boomers are so clueless, is this the true basis for what on the SJW side of the political spectrum has morphed into an irrational hatred of the voodoo mist they call white privilege?

Blogger DeploraBard June 13, 2017 5:45 PM  

Born 1970. Had to figure everything out on my own. Dad was a drunk factory worker and mom went to college late and literally went crazy. Divorce destroyed my brother and sisters.I am very successful. My rule remains the same: don't do anything my parents did. I don't hate them, I reject them. I would have crashed without my best friend who replaced my family. He's dead now. Shot in the back of the head on a drug deal gone bad. Retire soon and plan on mentoring the youth into hard right realities.

Blogger Student in Blue June 13, 2017 5:49 PM  

@176 Heian-kyo Dreams
What I read was that Boomers didn't share relevant or useful knowledge, not Boomer daddy didn't buy them a pony. In the long run, skills are about as useful as $$$.

I didn't even realize this was true until this was pointed out. I love my Boomer parents, and they're very selfless compared to a lot of others in their generation. However, I was taught one thing by my parents, and that was how to play the piano. Every other piece of knowledge I learned I had to ask myself, and as a kid who don't know squat, you don't know enough to even ask good questions.

There is way, way too much of a reliance by Boomers for their kids to either be taught the stuff they need to know by complete strangers, or for their kids to just "figure it out". Sometimes that works out, but there are many cases where it backfires.

Blogger OLD HICKORY June 13, 2017 5:53 PM  

I used to be haunted by my lack of success; If I had succeeded, then I would have been a unicorn and my advice would have been: Put yourself into magic beans and pixie dust. That sound card could have made you a self-made millionaire; Or not. The electronics field is littered with better mouse traps that were strangled in their cribs. As for software: Who loves Windows. My great observation of the dotcom bomb was that Boomers would throw money at something that they didn't understand, as long as it didn't change anything. Generation Won't rests on the Greatest Generation's laurels and patent trolls everyone who threatens the residuals. Their moral superiority (and the right to govern) is derived from their state of insulation. They are free of their parents' Jim Crow racism; And We are Nazis. They bemoan the Holocaust and the use of atomic weapons; We fight the War on Terror. See Generation Kill and Pewtee Pie. Donald Trump is. "literally Hitler" with National Review and The Weekly Standard casually discarding their Forty-Year opposition to the Reducto ad Hitlerum in public rhetoric. Anything for convenience' sake. These are the extremes. The Boomers have responded to everything from Woodstock to the suicide Bombing pf Ariana Grande's Manchester concert with: Back To Normal. The trouble is, that it wasn't normal. At the macro level we must make YouTube and Amazon utilities (among other things) simply to preserve our access to them and freedom within them. Public Spending must not be diverted into maintaining Old Media This is the physical underpinning of political correctness. Orthodoxy for subsidy; Subsidy for orthodoxy. Media, Academia and Government will hang together until they are hanged together. During the Cold War, "Our (Boomer) Way of Life" was worth Armageddon; It was the only thing worth fighting, killing and dying for.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 5:59 PM  

"The complaints were not that the Boomers did not leave them anything, yet, which kind of indicates they are alive."

well... some of us have also touched on the millions of members of GenX who are not alive. They were murdered in the womb in the name of Baby Boomer power point presentations.

Anonymous Starbuck June 13, 2017 6:04 PM  

I am a late baby boomer (1962) or perhaps a really early Genx, I have delt with all the things genx'ers have been experiencing. But I get blamed just like the baby boomers. I guess if I am partly to blame,... sorry. But I am a nobody just like you. I don't have any kind of inheritance from my parents. I had to work long hours, not to give them everything I didn't have. But I had to work long hours to provide food, home, clothes, the basic necessities and a few niceties. But I understand the delimma the genx and millennials are facing. I do however disagree with the assesment of the baby boomers towards millenials. I work with them everyday. They are eager, educated and resourceful. Just like any generation before them. I am not worried about the mellenials or even genx. I am worried about the sour ones that want me to die, die, die.

If you must kill me. please make it in the head and to my face. I will probably smile at you when your going to pull the trigger.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 6:05 PM  

'There is way, way too much of a reliance by Boomers for their kids to either be taught the stuff they need to know by complete strangers, or for their kids to just "figure it out".'

alot of that comes from selective memory. they remember having a very wild and free childhood. they ignore the fact that they had a mom staying home the whole time. They ignore the fact that the father didn't work 2 jobs or that many hours compared to today. they ignore the fact that they took frequent family trips. That dad spent tons of time with them.

They did none of that for X. (again.. this is not my personal experience. my parents were, and are, effing awesome) X was made up of latch-key kids and divorces.

Anonymous Starbuck June 13, 2017 6:07 PM  

"The complaints were not that the Boomers did not leave them anything, yet, which kind of indicates they are alive."

well... some of us have also touched on the millions of members of GenX who are not alive. They were murdered in the womb in the name of Baby Boomer power point presentations. - Nate


That I did not do. I loved my kids. That would have never entered my head. That is sad, sinful and pathetic. I am sorry about all the abortions. It's a national disgrace for sure.

Anonymous Dismal Farmer June 13, 2017 6:28 PM  

It's the betrayed trust that is the killer. We trusted all of the BS advice they gave us that they were so confident in giving though they were completely clueless about how the real world works. We saw that it worked for them so we took all their advice and then they raped the world and handed it to us and now they call us crybabies for pointing out that they had it incredibly easy.
And you still see the venereal toads in the comments here trying to offer their stinking advice. Boomers: you disgusting excreta, apologize and then shut up. You have nothing worthwhile to say. You are stupid and don't know anything. You have never accomplished anything of value on your own merit. Just stop already.

By the way why is the disgrace to Andrew Breitbart's name still in infogalactic news feed? Thought that was to be removed because cucked converged.

Blogger Joshua_D June 13, 2017 6:31 PM  

Thanks for the info, Carnivore.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 13, 2017 6:42 PM  

What I read was that Boomers didn't share relevant or useful knowledge,

Small fer-instance: it's always annoyed me when I'd go to a wedding reception and everyone who was born before about 1955 would go right out there and start dancing, because when they were growing up, that's something that was passed down to everyone for the sake of social cohesion (although they probably never thought of it that way). If someone in my generation wanted to know how to do a basic waltz or foxtrot, he had to go to dance classes. Nowadays at least he can try to learn from YouTube tutorials.

Now multiply that by a thousand, for all the pieces of know-how and culture that they were given and just....dropped. Some of it was feminism, as women refused to teach daughters anything that might help them be good housewives. (I've taught more than one girlfriend to do the most basic cooking.) But it went further than that. For reasons I'm still not sure of, they expected that everything their kids needed to learn beyond potty training would be done by the school, or Sunday School, or experts of some sort. (And they pushed the school age younger and younger, to put even more in other hands.)

It'd be easy to blame it on laziness and selfishness, and that's part of it. But I think it's also what someone said earlier: the system worked so well for them that they just assumed it always would; so they could -- even should -- turn their kids over to it as much as possible.

Anonymous Jack June 13, 2017 6:45 PM  

Blaming the Silents for Hart Cellar and the poz of the 60s is wrong. Yes, the politicians who passed Hart Cellar were of that generation, but they were pandering to the youth who had come of voting age, and those youth were the Boomers. The only Silents who can be blamed are the ones who agitated and manipulated behind the scenes to influence the Boomers to adopt those views in the first place.

@178 "it's not the Boomers, it's the left." You sound like Glenn Beck. It IS the boomers, whether left or "right." If the boomers had been capable of having a real right, instead of the farce that has been American conservatism, there wouldn't be a need for the Alt Right.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer June 13, 2017 6:46 PM  

I am very bitter. I did what I was told. I served my country honorably in the army. I got a law degree. It took my 3rd attorney job before i broke 40k. Now I live in my truck as I watch vaginas get make work jobs and imported third world pieces of shit get everything handed to them. But now I am mocked cuz "oh u should have got a stem degree."

Blogger Troy Lee Messer June 13, 2017 6:51 PM  

Anger too. Lots of anger. That though I am smart, I wasn't smart enough. Thank God for Vox and the manosphere . I'd rather be broke and know the truth than my old spergy former self.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis June 13, 2017 7:00 PM  

A couple of interesting factoids:
1st, the Silent Generation was born 1925 - 1945. That means they were the 60 year olds from 1985 - 2005. And the 60 year olds run everything -- they are the C level executives and the vice presidents in corporate American, and compose the bulk of elected politicians. So they CREATED the mess we now have - they own it. The Boomers just followed their direction.
2nd, post-1945 Europe and Asia were completely trashed, while the USA factories and infrastructure were untouched. So the USA had a huge economic boom simply because the rest of the planet had close to nothing. The Boomers grew up in this and it was natural to them. Their advice is based on this environment -- which no longer exists.

Anonymous Jack June 13, 2017 7:02 PM  

That moment when you realize you were lied to, now you're the bad guy, and everything has gone to hell:

https://youtu.be/x4dnIgkAKJg?t=46s

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright June 13, 2017 7:04 PM  

It really is a changing world. College used to be much cheaper,and the penalty for avoiding it was high...but that has all changed. Partially, because now that the government pays for college loans, it is both more expensive and no longer exclusive enough to matter.

Blogger DeploraBard June 13, 2017 7:06 PM  

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Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 7:16 PM  

'By the way why is the disgrace to Andrew Breitbart's name still in infogalactic news feed? Thought that was to be removed because cucked converged. '

there is no breitbart link at IGN.

Blogger Nate June 13, 2017 7:25 PM  

' College used to be much cheaper,and the penalty for avoiding it was high...but that has all changed. '

in 1965 for every female in college there was 1.5 males.

today... for every 2 females in college there is 1 male.

that is a radical change in just 50 years.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer June 13, 2017 7:26 PM  

I feel really stupid that I drank the cool aid. I take full responsibility. My reference..
My dad, who would be 70, was a high school dropout and became a tinner, a sheet-metal worker. By the time he was 25, he had a house, a skinny wife, 2 kids, a car, and a boat. And this was normal.

Today this is a fantasy.

Blogger DeploraBard June 13, 2017 7:38 PM  

199) You can still do it by 30, without the boat. Skinny wife may be the hardest part

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