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Friday, June 16, 2017

Mailvox: white privilege

A reader writes of his experience with valedictorian politics in the 1990s.

When I was a junior in high school, my family moved to a different state. The high school I wound up assigned to was one of the early adopters of the weighted GPA system, where it was possible to exceed a 4.0 GPA average by taking honors and AP classes. Honors counted for 4.5, and AP for 5.0.

I had only two years in this system, as my previous school didn't do this, but took as many honors and AP classes as possible, and obtained straight As in all of them. I was in the running for valedictorian despite a two year disadvantage. There were two others in the running, a black girl and an Asian man. The teachers and administrators didn't care much for me. I don't know if it was because I was white, or if it was because I just wasn't from the area, but they tried to sabotage me at every opportunity. 

To get into the AP and honors classes, you needed certain prerequisite classes, of course, and they tried to argue that the classes I took at my previous school didn't count. My old school's pre-calc was, for example, not equivalent to their pre-calc, they argued. I would have to retake classes in order to get into the AP programs. My father managed to argue around some of these restrictions, but not others. I had to retake a number of classes. This wasted slots that could have been used for weighted GPA classes.

Despite that handicap too, at the end of my senior year, it was very close. Where roadblocks were put in my way, prerequisites were waived for the black girl. She was able to skip some. To be fair to her, she was a smart and studious woman. But they did make it easier for her. I realized I probably wasn't going to make valedictorian unless she made a big mistake, which she didn't.

But salutatorian was mine. Or at least it should have been. The Asian kid wound up getting a C in his Spanish class. Languages were not his forte, he was much better at math and the sciences. He was out of the running. When his teacher found out that I had dethroned him for this spot, she went back, offered him the opportunity to do a boatload of extra credit work, and gave him an A. The grade was changed at the last minute.

This was controversial, and blatantly against school policy. But it didn't matter. I later found out why, when the local news gushed about how a high school in the racist South had a black valedictorian and Asian salutatorian. Even in the 90s, virtue signalling was thing, I guess.

In the end, my GPA was the third highest in that school's history, up until that point. Any other year, I would have been valedictorian by a mile. They had moved heaven and earth to make sure I didn't get on that podium. It had all been mapped out before I even got there. They wanted minorities on that stage, and my graduating class provided them with a very intelligent and studious black girl, and a math-bruiser Asian kid. It was a rare opportunity for them to virtue signal. Stupid out-of-towner white boy wasn't going to mess up their big news story, of course.

So even before this notion of eliminating valedictorian and salutatorian came about, they were already, in effect, becoming political appointments.

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118 Comments:

Anonymous Sam the Man June 16, 2017 1:36 PM  

Well, if the folks running all of this BS were Boomers, I can understand the hostility of the young towards the boomers a bit better.

Anonymous BBGKB June 16, 2017 1:42 PM  

I think he makes a false assumption that the black girl earned a top 3 position instead of getting affirmative actioned for years. If not everyone would have heard of this woman.

Every time in history a licensed competent black/Hispanic entered an HR, the ladies get so wet the floor beneath gets flooded. Katrina didn't actually break the levies it was one nurse doing interviews at multiple hospitals.

Anonymous Ugly Mind Babies June 16, 2017 1:44 PM  

"Even in the 90s, virtue signalling was thing, I guess."

They were clumsier about it, but yes. I had a teacher in the 80s who dragged the only black kid in front of the class and explained to us in dramatic fashion how this kid understood oppression and racism. Awkward for us, but it must have been terrible for him.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 16, 2017 1:47 PM  

Public edumacayshun - not only a racket, but a fraud as well. Not to mention child-absue and endangerment.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2017 2:01 PM  

There's only three things you need to know:

1. Homeschool
2. Homeschool
3. Homeschool

Blogger The Viking June 16, 2017 2:08 PM  

I'm a former USN Chinese language analyst. During linguist training at the military language school, I had shit-hot grades (best in the school) and aced the DLPT language test with the highest score you could get.

At the course's graduation, they gave the highest award to a Chinese guy (native speaker) who STILL didn't have scores like mine. The award he got actually had impact on promotions (came with an achievement medal), and they were grooming the guy for leadership. Ultimately, I still promoted before any of my peers, including him. Later on, he was quietly discharged for being mentally unstable.

/shrug

Blogger Settler of the Silent Planet June 16, 2017 2:09 PM  

My wife graduated in 2002 from a small (2A classification). She and her best friend were the finalists for Valedictorian. We're talking a single couple points difference in a single nine-weeks close. She ended up Salutatorian because of some tenth of a percentile, but went on to be the highest scorer on the ACT (31) in a class of about 60. She didn't make a B on anything until post graduate work. She is about to graduate from her Emergency medicine residency and will be making a very nice salary working 3 days a week. She's a fascinating mix of german/scottish looks, and her father is about as Texan as you can get, and it shows in her.
Though it would have been nice to win, in the end, she keeps on winning, and isn't even tired of it.
All this to say, single trophy's acknowledgments are nice, but winning takes many forms and some are much sweeter than others.

Anonymous Iacobus June 16, 2017 2:11 PM  

They wanted minorities on that stage, and my graduating class provided them with a very intelligent and studious black girl, and a math-bruiser Asian kid. It was a rare opportunity for them to virtue signal. Stupid out-of-towner white boy wasn't going to mess up their big news story, of course.

It's a wonder the dude didn't go all scorched earth.

The more I think about the South and the flat-out lies being told about it, the more I wish they won the Civil War.

Blogger Gaiseric June 16, 2017 2:17 PM  

Iacobus wrote:The more I think about the South and the flat-out lies being told about it, the more I wish they won the Civil War.
Imagine being an ethnic Southerner on top of that.

Blogger Mountain Man June 16, 2017 2:19 PM  

"Well, if the folks running all of this BS were Boomers,”.....

That they were - most assuredly - that they were.
Its why our generation despises them

Blogger Markku June 16, 2017 2:21 PM  

Soon it will be time to choose a "home" for boomers, heh heh heh heh...

Anonymous MDZ1985 June 16, 2017 2:24 PM  

Heck, this kind of thing was going on with Homecoming queens in the 80's. My junior year, queen went to a black girl no one had heard of. No one except the black football players, that is. The team were the electors. Obvious block voting, with the white vote split 6 ways. Controversy erupted when it was discovered she had a two-year-old (it was a more innocent time). But we really smelled a rat when the rest of the court appeared in the school newspaper. Each couple just happened to be b/w, and alternated (frosh and junior girls white, boys black, sophs were reversed). Nobody bought this.

Our school had had a lot of racial tension during the forced busing era. This didn't help. It was a great school, though. You came out of it racist AND anti-Semitic, thanks to the significant Jewish population (90% in the 60's, they called it Hebrew High).

Blogger Dalrock June 16, 2017 2:24 PM  

When I was in 9th grade all of the students had to take a reading assessment test. I scored at the College Freshmen level in speed, and College Junior level in comprehension. After that, my Hispanic counselor started placing me in "reading emphasis" versions of all of my classes. One of the teachers took me aside and asked what I was doing lumped in with the slow kids. At his suggestion, I started petitioning the teachers of the AP and honors classes directly to get transferred in. They agreed, but my guidance counselor blocked the move, saying I needed remedial reading classes. Only with the written approval of the teachers and after my mother came to school did she stop blocking me. I had to do this every semester until graduation, but luckily it became much easier as everyone knew what was going on.

My friend Jesus had the same counselor, and he mentioned in Homeroom that he loved her; she would give him whatever class he wanted. A few years later I was speaking with some family friends with boys a few years younger than me. They are dark enough that they could pass for Hispanic, and they were gushing about how great the boys' guidance counselor was (same woman). Whatever they wanted, she would do it for them.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 16, 2017 2:29 PM  

Everything is war.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 16, 2017 2:43 PM  

In my rather large high school (my graduating class had 1000 kids), we had exactly one black family. They were exceptional, overachieving blacks, no question. The father was one the richest guys around, and drove a Rolls Royce. Gave me rides in it from Sunday school to church, it was very cool. A great family.

The older son was our vale, but everybody (including him most likely) knew this was arranged. He was a good student but nowhere close to our best.

His sister was our head cheerleader. This school was chocked full young Texas hottie cowgirls, gosh it was amazing to be a young man. She was pretty cute, but my word did we have some hotties. This too was arranged.

The younger brother was our star quarterback. This was deserved, he was our best player.

Everything else was given to them because the school wanted to virtue signal. And everybody knew it.

Anonymous Gart Williams June 16, 2017 2:45 PM  

Everyday I thank my parents for sending me to an all white high school where I didn't have to deal with crap like this. If you can still find one, send your kids to the kind of school I went to. They will thank you later.

Anonymous Holmwood June 16, 2017 2:48 PM  

Not being a secret king, high school awards are not something I've thought about for decades. I was the highest GPA in the city (no weird weighting); wasn't valedictorian even at my school. That was decided by school administration and went to a middling-competent basketball player (I was a runner).

I didn't care. There was at least one person at the school smarter than I (but lazier) who didn't get it and the b-ball player was dumber than I but worked hard and really wanted it.

For laughs, I looked our valedictorian up just now. Wasn't even sure I remembered his name.

I think I did. He became an award-winning educator.

Recognizing the need for safe and inclusive spaces for students, he spearheaded the transformation of the traditional library space to a vibrant common learning environment that has become highly popular... he was awarded XXXX

Huh.

Even back then I guess he showed promise that I and others simply didn't.

Amusing.

Blogger Sillon Bono June 16, 2017 2:49 PM  

Ugly Mind Babies wrote:"Even in the 90s, virtue signalling was thing, I guess."

They were clumsier about it, but yes. I had a teacher in the 80s who dragged the only black kid in front of the class and explained to us in dramatic fashion how this kid understood oppression and racism. Awkward for us, but it must have been terrible for him.


Well virtue-signalling has always been there, but thanks to the internet and social media you can get a much large "kick" for showing the entire world how good a person you are.

Blogger Matamoros June 16, 2017 2:56 PM  

From the Director of the French Institut de recherche strategique de l’Ecole militaire (IRSEM)

25 ways of combatting propaganda without doing counter-propaganda

http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/06/16/ways-of-combatting-propaganda-without-counter-propaganda/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 16, 2017 2:56 PM  

Our kid's HS must have been "racist" since their val was a very tall red haired young man while the sal was a conniving Indian that just could not cheat well enough to grab it.

He was rejected by Stanford but Northwestern accepted him I think.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 June 16, 2017 3:01 PM  

The sad thing in all this is that the black girl and the Oriental boy were both very intelligent individuals in their own right. They were taken advantage of and probably graduated expecting everyone to bow to their melanin superiority.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J June 16, 2017 3:06 PM  

Class of '94. Our valedictorian went to Columbia and had multiple nervous breakdowns and divorces. She complains that men prevent her from living up to her full potential. Can't handle a smart woman, and all.

I was convinced she was sleeping with one of our teachers. Shortly after he retired, truth came out...not in official channels so no legal issues. But our group of friends found out and were highly amused but not surprised. She was disappointed we didn't express any shock.

The best grades don't matter as much as who is the most moldable, the one best able to be a soldier for the cause.

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Blogger pyrrhus June 16, 2017 3:14 PM  

This topic brings up old memories....Back in the Stone Age, the '60s, I was tied for Valedictorian with 3 intelligent girls who were, however, goody two shoes and loved by the HS. They didn't like me much, and resented the fact that I had already gotten two very prestigious awards and been accepted by 3 Ivies...In the last quarter, I got an inexplicable B in physics, so finished 4th. I never thought about it, since I liked the girls and didn't really care about Valedictorian. I also figured that since I was going to the Ivy League and they were going to Northern Illinois, that was enough winning.....But now I see it was probably rigged...

Anonymous D-Fens June 16, 2017 3:15 PM  

The proper way to respond to charges of white privilege is to LARP as a non-white... like Marco Rubio, Elizabeth Warren and Vox Day.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 16, 2017 3:18 PM  

"6. Blogger The Viking June 16, 2017 2:08 PM
I'm a former USN Chinese language analyst. During linguist training at the military language school, I had shit-hot grades (best in the school) and aced the DLPT language test with the highest score you could get.

At the course's graduation, they gave the highest award to a Chinese guy (native speaker) who STILL didn't have scores like mine. The award he got actually had impact on promotions (came with an achievement medal), and they were grooming the guy for leadership. Ultimately, I still promoted before any of my peers, including him. Later on, he was quietly discharged for being mentally unstable.
..."



Just to give everybody here an idea what the school, DLI, was like. Basic Korean was a 47 week course. I think Chinese, Mandarin specifically, was also a 47 week course from what I remember.

Six hours of class a day with up to a couple hours of homework, five days a week. The spanish course was much shorter, 22 weeks, so they had a vocabulary memorization requirement at least double that of the longer courses, something like 50 words a day.

You got tested at least every week with quizzes every day. Going below an 80 or 85 average got you looked at and talked to. If you kept getting low grades you would get a letter. That letter would say one of two things, either lack of effort or lack of ability. You wanted lack of ability. If you got lack of effort you could even end up losing your clearance. For an aspiring intel dweeb losing your clearance was a very very bad thing.

My class had ten Air Force in it. Five of us graduated. The Army students were about the same. The tech school I went to after DLI lasted 22 weeks and only three of us AF guys graduated. 50% attrition for DLI and 70% attrition overall.

I got passing grades at DLI and had to work my ass off at the tech school after that. A natural linguist I am not.

Blogger pyrrhus June 16, 2017 3:20 PM  

@16 Absolutely. My kids went to a famous HS where, apart from a number of Asians, there were virtually no minorities, and some great teachers in the AP courses. Mission accomplished, at least in that respect!

Blogger Mountain Man June 16, 2017 3:27 PM  

But we all know this blatant white discrimination is justified - because after all it was your forefathers who experienced the wonderful benefits of white privilege. Such privileges as grinding hard work, delayed gratification .. all to build a better life and civilization for the dyscivilized to enjoy.
Seriously - my hope is that I live long enough to see free association and segregation - become fashionable once again. They can live in their squalid world filled with violence and poverty and there will not be one white person for them to demand help from.

Anonymous Hermione June 16, 2017 3:32 PM  

I should have been salutatorian for my class as well, but somehow a senior year transfer who mysteriously wasn't in any of the AP classes with me and the should-have-been valedictorian had a higher class rank than both of us and got the top spot, which knocked me down to #3. She was black. This was in the mid-aughts. The guy ahead of me was half Hispanic with a Hispanic last name, but I was a white girl that the administration particularly hated because I managed to be ranked #2 despite being absent a lot with health problems.

I don't really care, but this reminded me of it, and I remember at the time we were trying to figure out how she got it.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 16, 2017 3:33 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:But we all know this blatant white discrimination is justified - because after all it was your forefathers who experienced the wonderful benefits of white privilege. Such privileges as grinding hard work, delayed gratification .. all to build a better life and civilization for the dyscivilized to enjoy.

Seriously - my hope is that I live long enough to see free association and segregation - become fashionable once again. They can live in their squalid world filled with violence and poverty and there will not be one white person for them to demand help from.



Not likely to happen even after the break up of the USA. They will still make demands on white people from their separate country and there still will be white people that will be sympathetic and carry their water. It might not be a popular position in the white community, but it will still exist.

Anonymous Baseball Savant June 16, 2017 3:50 PM  

Though it would have been nice to win, in the end, she keeps on winning, and isn't even tired of it.

Ummmm if you think that's winning you have some seriously jacked up priorities. As a fellow physician, any woman wearing the white coat has lost badly.......very badly.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 16, 2017 3:51 PM  

There was an animal house-like movie in the early 90s. I never saw it, but it was a send up of multicultural whackiness called PCU.

If I remember, it didn't do that well because it was so over the top. I bet it would seem understated now.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 16, 2017 3:58 PM  

@11 - Soon it will be time to choose a "home" for boomers, heh heh heh heh...

That home is going to be staffed by minorities 'doing the jobs that American's won't do.' Namely because the generations after the boomers can't stand the sight of them. That and the government will be facing collapse due to health care costs.

And have you ever been in a retirement home run by minorities? Hell hath no fury....

Blogger Markku June 16, 2017 4:01 PM  

Namely because the generations after the boomers can't stand the sight of them.

It'll be so much fun to play the racist card on THEIR sob stories.

Blogger Markku June 16, 2017 4:02 PM  

Let THEM see how it feels. They are not victimized, they are merely racists and need to change.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 16, 2017 4:20 PM  

Once again a young person finds out that the world is not honest, does not have integrity, there is corruption and undue influence, people are fully willing to cheat and lie. They thought that only happens in politics.

While I was living in Memphis, I taught what was a very popular course in Personnel Management at the local state college for two years. I say it was popular because every seat was filled by eager students, nearly all of them working adults, many of them personnel managers or assistant personnel managers at local businesses.

I always started the class by asking a simple question.....WHO DO YOU HIRE? Went around the room and usually got the same answer...The Most Qualified. Then I told them....YOU ARE ALL LIARS. You never even interviewed the Most Qualified....because job qualifications was the LEAST of your considerations. Then I spent the rest of the first class explaining why that was a TRUE statement. They ALL confessed. They never even met the Most Qualified.

(So who do they hire? People most like themselves.)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 16, 2017 4:20 PM  

suicides will spike

Anonymous BBGKB June 16, 2017 4:38 PM  

Every Single Time- Crucified TRUMP In Urine took ((((ARTIST)))) 6 months to create, it takes leftists a whole village to raise a child, a whole country to build a chair

http://www.wweek.com/arts/2017/06/15/art-depicting-a-crucified-trump-submerged-in-urine-will-be-unveiled-today-in-portland/

Blogger Artisanal Toad June 16, 2017 4:44 PM  

@38 BBGKB

See? Such art is a replication of the "Piss Christ" so-called artwork, which means they actually see him as god-emperor. He is the equivalent of Jesus in their minds.

Blogger Elder Son June 16, 2017 4:49 PM  

Red alert! Boomers in Action...

Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 16, 2017 4:50 PM  

@36 - I laugh every single time a Silly Valley company claims that they 'only hire the best and brightest engineers!'

A) You don't interview enough people to even know whether or not you are hiring above a specific percentile. And that's assuming the use of a valid, objective test in the interview process.

B) Your list of HR check boxes and diversity requirements almost certainly exclude a disproportionate number of people who would rank near the top based on ability.

C) The really bright engineers didn't become engineers at all. They saw the writing on the wall with H1B and went into finance or politics where the real money is at.

The things we believe that simply aren't so...

OpenID doktorjeep June 16, 2017 4:55 PM  

Virtue sniveling in the schools during the 1990s? 1980s?
Ha!

You guys are like babies.


Back in the 1970s when I was in elementary school there were two times that got hauled before a tribunal of the principle and some teachers and for what?

Anti-Semite crimethink.

Not that I knew what it was.

When I was 6 and 8 it happened. And it happened ... purely coincidentally I'm sure ... roughly around the times that the mainstream media (this was before cable so if one of the "big three" networks had anything special on EVERYBODY and I mean EVERYBODY watched it - the world was more lock-step than you kids could imagine. All hail the internet and Kek) had some big "holocaust special" on.

Yes there were on occasion these big documentaries or some show about... the holocaust.

And I had the pleasure and white privilege of being in a school full of Jews. That joke from Spaceballs about the Druish Princess Vespa (clearly a Mel Brooksian play on words and images - love that guy) having had a nosejob for her sweet 16 present? It's true! I have seen it happen... but I digress.

Back then, whenever these shows/drama/documentaries happened, the Jewish kids KNEW they had "da powuh" and they would wield it over anybody they disagreed with. All you had to do was accuse somebody.

Now let me tell you kids: I did not even know what the slang or epithets were until I was a teenager. This was happening in elementary school. I did not even watch the kind of movies that might have had that kind of slang in it, and nothing like that was ever said by Bugs Bunny.

And of course the teachers and administrators were more than happy to oblige. They probably thought they were "stamping out antisemitism forever!" All I saw were adult frighteningly flying off the handle at me for things I didn't do.

By age 10 I knew the pure poison of the false accusation and how a society can lend it such power over virtue sniveling and feelgood. For this I think that false accusers, from the woman who falsely accuses a man of rape to the Jew who puts a swastika on his own temple should be put before a firing squad.

Anonymous Andy June 16, 2017 4:59 PM  

I used to work at a UK University teaching on a medical course, which due to fees paid for the course, was very attractive to American students. I had several tutees who were 'Valedictorians', but were also as thick an mince.
When I politely asked, I was informed that there were 30-40 valedictorians in their class of 50.

Blogger Kona Commuter June 16, 2017 5:06 PM  

I was told a story from a Police Academy class around the mid nineties.

There was an very outspoken anti-racist student who got into an actual physical fight opposing racism (maybe ahead of his time getting antsy over micro aggressions? IDK I wasn't there).

Long story short at the end of their course and at graduation the multicultural award was given to a quietly spoken mediocre student of colour.

Another story I heard was a female student who struggled to get lead on paper getting a pass because she literally was yelling the accusation of sexism.

Last one - there was a female officer teaching women self defence classes. This officer locked herself in the squad car whilst her male partner got bashed by vibrants.

Blogger Artisanal Toad June 16, 2017 5:07 PM  

@40 Elder Son

It isn't about boomers because boomers had nothing to do with it. The current situation with education started in the 1800's and was set in stone between 1900 and 1920. The schools were set up to damage the intellectual development of boys and "socialize" them into brain-dead drones. Women flooded the schools and used the "socialization" process to feminize the boys and stomp the masculinity out of them at an early age.

It isn't until one understands what was done that it becomes possible to try to fix it.

You'll find the Gatto's "Underground History of American Education" is a much better read, same subject, more data. His later book "Weapons of Mass Instruction" is also a good one, but UHoAE was his magnum opus. It was available for free online for years on his website and is still available in a few places.

Even the homeschooling curriculum stuff is mostly the same dumb-them-down socialization shit repackaged by textbook companies for the kids at home. The only homeschool system I know of that's reasonably honest is the Robinson Curriculum. And I can remember back in the late 90's as a homeschooling parent when plenty of homeschooling discussion boards had a separate section for the RC because it caused instant flamewars anywhere else. Just like RC-Prot kind of flamewars, religious in nature. However, between Gatto and Iserbyt, the evidence is there for why the homeschooling parents refuse to consider the Robinson Curriculum.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 16, 2017 5:29 PM  

@43 - How terrible...and racist and sexist... that 10-20 students were left out. Think of their feelings? Think of their self esteem? We must do something! Everyone should be valedictorian!

Blogger S. Misanthrope June 16, 2017 5:44 PM  

This is such a heartbreaking story. I'm so sorry for this guy. I at least enjoyed female privilege and came into high school long after valedictorian stopped being recognized, so while I had my knocks, I didn't face anything like this. Most of my friends were Asian, and I felt so sorry for them in the college application process, where even a white male stood a better chance. I see my husband continue to face anti-white male discrimination still. It makes me sick.

Anonymous Steveo June 16, 2017 5:48 PM  

I wonder if the black girl & the asian kid were smart enough to know they won...
nothing?

Blogger D. Bay June 16, 2017 5:48 PM  

"Last one - there was a female officer teaching women self defence classes. This officer locked herself in the squad car whilst her male partner got bashed by vibrants."

Wow. Kinda love this one. Would make a great scene in a film. A badass, kickass female police officer is introduced early on, she teaches self-defense, she takes no crap from anyone, and when the violence finally rains down... she locks herself cowardly in a police squad car while her male partner is beaten bloody by street thugs. While she fumbles with the police radio to PLEASE send backup, helpless and too terrified to do anything but watch in horror as her partner is bludgeoned mercilessly. Hilarious and sad.

Blogger Markku June 16, 2017 5:50 PM  

I was beat fair and square from being valedictorian. I had the best GPA in everything else, but my carpentry and gym grades sucked. Due to those, I got beat by a girl (obviously, girls had textile class instead of carpentry). Still, my best GPA in "theoretical" classes was recognized, and my class graduated with highest average GPA of the school's history. All parties involved where white AF.

OpenID doktorjeep June 16, 2017 6:03 PM  

Kona Commuter wrote:I was told a story from a Police Academy class around the mid nineties.


Heh.... here are some stories from my military experience.

- 1992: a fellow soldier was in Wicca. No big deal religious freedom and all that but I knew zero about it. So I asked "is that what they call witchcraft?"
He went full victim mode (this is 1992) and threatened to report me to some department called "social actions". This individual was a problem, a weirdo, etc. I was just in from tech school so what did I know. I never met someone who claimed to be into that stuff. If he said "pagan" I would have been just as intrigued. I did not come from some backwater small town either, I knew people who were into devil worship but they never said they were into Wicca.

- 1994: the life in our barracks pretty much sucked so I lived off base. In the Air Force we had what were called "coed dorms" basically 2 to a room. So you had a roommate. I don't know why they tried to make it seem more like college. On some bases the women had their own building, on others one floor would be for women the others dudes.
So... better sit down for this... as one would expect one of the fellows in my squadron ended up having sex with one of the gals in the same squadron. Drunken sex.
You might think "I know what happens next" and indeed you are close, but no cigar.
You see the woman he was with was in fact bi-sexual and her female roommate a lesbian. Everybody knew about it, but this was the "don't ask don't tell" days, remember?
Anyway, angry lesbo comes back to find out that her roommate did a heterosexual act and calls the security police to report a rape.
While in the process of being arrested the supposed victim tells the police that the engagement was entirely consenting and that no crime occurred.
But the Air Force will take their flunkies from the "hard job" and shunt them into SP positions. Or maybe these were the slightly more intelligent LEs? I don't know. But the badged monkeys said "well we already have handcuffs on him so we have to go through with it".

After long investigations, hearings, and my fellow airman doing "weeds and seeds" around the base with a green stripe on his leg (showing everybody your criminal status), it was finally deemed that no crime was committed.

They wanted to send him to prison anyway because "time and money went into an investigation".

Nothing would happen to the lesbian who nobody could ask nor tell about.
So a year later we were all TDY at some other base and the enlisted club on that base had a comedian.

He made some jokes about lesbians.

The false accuser from the past attacked the comedian on stage. Remember, everybody knew who she was and what she had already done.

She was arrested, never charged. She used a two pronged measure:
1. She thought everybody was laughing at her because it was a lesbo joke implying that she was a lesbian (which in fact she was )
2. She was under a lot of stress being one of only a few women in a man's world boo hoo.

And after that, the other crew chiefs she was at the table with were reprimanded for laughing.



So as you fellows can see, this "problem" of late is not new to these times, nor to millennials. I would have to play my GenX card here and say that yes, I got the front row seat to the decline, brought to you by boomers, who never saw a crap feelgood life destroying program they didn't like. I watched the military go from "work hard party hard" to "we have to shut down your squadron bar" and "we all have mandatory harassment training".
Every damned step of the way, hands thrown in the air, in disbelief, over what "they" came up with. We didn't get a vote. We didn't get a contract. We railed against it, and got labeled and ostracized.

Blogger SouthRon June 16, 2017 6:18 PM  

OT: If you don't have Fantasy General it is currently free on GOG.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 16, 2017 6:22 PM  

New trend I've started to notice around my neck of the woods: "Woman Veteran" license plates. i guess it's to prevent the horrible crime of thinking it was her husband/bf/whatever who spent all those years sitting on their ass behind a desk instead of her.

Blogger Zimri June 16, 2017 7:02 PM  

I wonder if the black girl & the asian kid were smart enough to know they won...
nothing?


The black girl sort-of won, by affirmative-action rules, so she isn't losing sleep about it, any more than Sheila Jackson Lee loses sleep about getting into Yale despite being an idiot. I could be wrong but I'm probably not.

The Asian kid grew up in an honour culture, and he did his duty by his family. However, since he and his family know he didn't win fairly, you can bet that his family hold it over his head that he's a fraud. Moreover, he's smart, so he knows he's a fraud.

Blogger Zimri June 16, 2017 7:04 PM  

6 The Viking: Later on, [some other overpromoted Asian] was quietly discharged for being mentally unstable.

Yanno, I hadn't even read this comment at the time I posted #54.

Blogger Rick67 June 16, 2017 7:19 PM  

I had a teacher in the 80s who dragged the only black kid in front of the class and explained to us in dramatic fashion how this kid understood oppression and racism. Awkward for us, but it must have been terrible for him.

In seminary (in central Virginia) on one occasion our professor singled out (politely) the one African-American student and asked her to comment about how she had experienced oppression and discrimination over the course of her life. Our classmate said no, that's not really something she remembers experiencing.

I'm not denying there's such a thing as racial prejudice and discrimination. However I was offended by the way our professor (a) singled out this one student and (b) casually assumed(?) she had a testimony to share.

Anonymous Avalanche June 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

@33 "That home is going to be staffed by minorities 'doing the jobs that American's won't do.'"

Which leaves suicide as the only out! Or maybe a death on the battlefield? Take out a bunch of immvaders on the way?

Blogger SteelPalm June 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

My high school in the Bay Area was about 80% Asian, with virtually no Hispanics, and about 4 blacks in the entire high school (the blacks were academically horrible), so this was actually not an issue.

This, despite the school being insanely leftist, with Asian and white students and white teachers speaking at assemblies to decry right-wingers and Christians alike.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner June 16, 2017 7:41 PM  

Matthew 10:36

"And a man's foes shall be they of his own house."

I used this verse to comment a few posts ago. I think I'll be able to use this as my default comment to pretty much any of Vox's posts. Seems to fit.

Blogger Lazarus June 16, 2017 8:08 PM  

Kona Commuter wrote:Last one - there was a female officer teaching women self defence classes. This officer locked herself in the squad car whilst her male partner got bashed by vibrants.

Of course she did. There were no women involved she had to defend except herself. I don't see the problem here. /s

Blogger ZhukovG June 16, 2017 8:16 PM  

I know an African-American guy, he's an Electrical Engineer. He had started out working for a janitorial contract company cleaning the building. Some of the White engineers noticed he was pretty bright and encouraged him to go back to school. He did and now years later has a Master's Degree in EE.

I was talking to him not long ago and he told me that once again the company was trying to make a manager out of him. He said, he doesn't want it, he likes what he's doing now, and he said he knows there's only one reason they want him as a manager, and he isn't interested in being the star of their freak show.

He used some other words to describe HR and upper management of the company he works for which I won't repeat.

Anonymous Icicle June 16, 2017 8:38 PM  

Reading these stories...

How much does this happen, and people don't even realize it?

A small thing here, a small thing there. That adds up. Over 12 years, 12 grades.

And there are so many female college students now.

The really bright engineers didn't become engineers at all. They saw the writing on the wall with H1B and went into finance or politics where the real money is at.

Bingo!

Blogger Elder Son June 16, 2017 8:41 PM  

LMAO. Now we're gonna here stories about the military. And most of you were not in the military during the 60's and 70's. But I'm going to tell you. Most of the crap you see today, is the result of mission creep that started we'll before you were born. That started well before I was born. I lived through, and during the precursor, leading up to what YOU are complaining about. And I had no say, anymore than you did.

All this crap you are whining about and pointing fingers at, of one subset of generations, is the result of of YEARS of mission creep long before the boomers.

We are all someone else's social experiment.

Blogger Gospace June 16, 2017 9:19 PM  

Games with class ranking are played all the time. When one of my sons was in line for being 2nd, the rules were changed (for one year) on how to figure out class ranks, and lo and behold, the daughter of a Board of Ed member beat him out using the "new improved" system. This year, my youngest son graduates second. The difference in GPA coming from senior year physics vs senior year business math. He took physics. He's better off with that then being #1.

Games with GPA and class rankings is why tests like the SAT were developed. And because SATs show a huge racial disparity, they have to be discarded in favor of "whole person evaluation". Which used to be called favoritism........ And the circle goes round.

Anonymous Icicle June 16, 2017 9:20 PM  

All this crap you are whining about and pointing fingers at, of one subset of generations, is the result of of YEARS of mission creep long before the boomers.

We are all someone else's social experiment.


"Why do you even care about politics? Voting doesn't even do anything."

That's why.

Blogger tuberman June 16, 2017 9:50 PM  

63. Elder Son

Yep, You're right. The virtue signaling has been going on forever. In 15 to 20 years all anyone will remember from the anti-boomer rhetoric is that "Old People Suck," and that's when Xers will be those old people who suck. All this crap has been going on since "Uncle Tom's Cabin," a John Brown pre-Civil War. and it had picked up sharply by the League of Nations time in the early 20th Century. It was FDR's academics who set up our failing trade policies. The Leftist were constantly attacking Right Wing people and destroying their jobs, and reputation way back in the 1920's and 30's.

So now we have a bunch of privileged solidly Middle Class and Upper Middle Class Xers whining about the loss of paradise. Yet the Norman Rockwell life never existed for me. I grew up in lower class semi-mean streets, where kids killed other kids and you hung out in "clubs" for protection.

Anonymous andon June 16, 2017 9:56 PM  

White Privilege - a concept cooked up by the (((wealthiest, most privileged group on the planet)))

Anonymous Icicle June 16, 2017 9:58 PM  

Yet the Norman Rockwell life never existed for me. I grew up in lower class semi-mean streets, where kids killed other kids and you hung out in "clubs" for protection.

That goes way back. Lost Generation (born 1883 - 1900) with Hemingway and even further back with the Gangs of New York.

Blogger tuberman June 16, 2017 10:00 PM  

In the end, this is all going to just lead to "The War of Everybody Against Everyone," as G.Vico stated in 1725 in his "New Science of History."

This BTW, is the last thing I want, I HOPE, TRULY HOPE that VD and the alt-Right can pull this off. I love Western Civilization.

Blogger tuberman June 16, 2017 10:06 PM  

"That goes way back. Lost Generation (born 1883 - 1900) with Hemingway and even further back with the Gangs of New York."

Well, if you had a chaotic drunk for a father, with PTSD nightmares, and you grew up in certain neighborhoods, it still exited for some of us in the 1950's.

Anonymous Bortimus June 16, 2017 10:08 PM  

Cunty teachers will always try to screw over students they personally dislike. In middle school my parents had to fight with the administration to get me put in algebra instead of whatever the standard playing with blocks math class was, simply because my sixth grade teacher had it in for me and claimed I wasn't ready. Note that up to that point I'd been in the 99th percentile on all the stupid standardized tests they gave us each year.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan June 16, 2017 10:13 PM  

I know grade rigging was rampant in the 90s. There was an inside joke at my high school in that all of the teachers' kids were automatically entered into the advanced classes and honor rolls, even though it was easily provable that some of them had never even learned how to read upon graduation.

Once I got to college it was even worse. I recall that there were black kids bragging at the frat parties that they never even showed up for their senior projects in civil engineering and were awarded with A-pluses.

The problem is... most of us didn't lose our innocence fast enough in the nineties.

Anonymous Icicle June 16, 2017 10:18 PM  

All the old 20th century industrial systems are in decay and filled with lies.

That's a lot of cobwebs to clear out. It will be messy.


Well, if you had a chaotic drunk for a father, with PTSD nightmares, and you grew up in certain neighborhoods, it still exited for some of us in the 1950's.

Check your first-world privilege. Did you even once think about the pygmies in the Congo?
Did you even recycle?

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis June 16, 2017 10:22 PM  

I actually know a highly intelligent, well informed, well dressed, red-pilled, "white English" speaking black man. He actually unselfconsciously wears black plastic nerd glasses and it is not a pose. In a pitch dark room with 10 people, if you had to guess which one was white, you would pick him. Yeah, I know - an actual unicorn. Unicorns really do exist.

Of course, he is the only unicorn I have met out of all the black Americans I have ever met. Gives me hope that someday it will be discovered that Sasquatch is a real species living in the Canadian rain forests.

Blogger Lazarus June 16, 2017 10:32 PM  

tuberman wrote:"That goes way back. Lost Generation (born 1883 - 1900) with Hemingway and even further back with the Gangs of New York."

Well, if you had a chaotic drunk for a father, with PTSD nightmares, and you grew up in certain neighborhoods, it still exited for some of us in the 1950's.


All the generations are lost. It is the default position of generations. But the saving grace is that a remnant of the lost generation spawns a generation that is.......also lost.

And so on.

Life, yes?

Blogger tuberman June 16, 2017 10:34 PM  

"Check your first-world privilege. Did you even once think about the pygmies in the Congo?
Did you even recycle?"

Yep, that's why I love Western Civilization, as it was my privilege. Ha, ha, ha. I did recycle some soda bottles for 2 cents each as comics were "still 10 cents."

I seldom thought about pygmies, but I was interest in dozens of other oral societies. Why did Witch doctors exist in early Neolithic times, and how were the oral stories passed down? It was NOT today's multiculturalism though, as I was as interested in tribal failings and dysfunctions even more than how cool they were. I despised Joseph Campbell the suck up.

Blogger Lazarus June 16, 2017 10:42 PM  

tuberman wrote:I seldom thought about pygmies,

Did you that pygmies were prohibited from eating elephants, but elephants were their main big game prey?

They would kill the elephant, then cut off the tail and trunk so it was not technically an elephant, and then they could eat it.

They sound like Torah scholars.

Blogger Lazarus June 16, 2017 10:46 PM  

technically NOT AN ELEPHANT

Blogger Lazarus June 16, 2017 10:47 PM  

never mind, it was right the first time

Blogger Mountain Man June 16, 2017 10:48 PM  

"I would have to play my GenX card here and say that yes, I got the front row seat to the decline,”

Ditto...was reflecting earlier today on how our generation can remember what America was once like - post decline - and then as we entered adulthood we witnessed it being strangled by our elders. The memories still linger of what America once was.

Blogger tuberman June 16, 2017 10:54 PM  

77. Lazarus

"They would kill the elephant, then cut off the tail and trunk so it was not technically an elephant, and then they could eat it.

They sound like Torah scholars."

I didn't run into the Torah scholar lawyer quibble talk until after High School. Hated it immediately.

Blogger Michael Maier June 16, 2017 11:04 PM  

This is a damned depressing thread. Esp since I am enduring a moron Dindu hired to be my co-lead because a moron Dindu looked at her and said "She's worked here long enough, she deserves a raise."

Nevermind that he also told me to my face that she doesn't do her job right and gets paid overtime to do it.

Anonymous republican mother June 16, 2017 11:05 PM  

Used RC with my oldest with excellent results!

Blogger tuberman June 16, 2017 11:10 PM  

82. MM

"This is a damned depressing thread. Esp since I am enduring a moron Dindu hired to be my co-lead because a moron Dindu looked at her and said "She's worked here long enough, she deserves a raise.""

In my last 5 years working, my boss was a lesbian Hispanic women who hated everyone and was constantly looking for a reason to get everyone in trouble or fired. Good times, as she was often successful.

Anonymous Icicle June 16, 2017 11:23 PM  

I did recycle some soda bottles for 2 cents each as comics were "still 10 cents."

You do it for Mother Earth not for comic books. That's recycling privilege.

All the generations are lost. It is the default position of generations.

The Lost as in from World War 1. Take up the name with Gertrude Stein. Use a shovel.

Blogger Phillip George June 17, 2017 12:12 AM  

Scalise enjoying his last days of White Privilege. Please note these 45 seconds explain exactly why he was taken out/ MK Ultra'd by dead patsy and why he was taken to the Seth Rich resting ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLZG5o73MS4

You have no options. Swamp people are Pod People are body snatchers.

Anonymous Icicle June 17, 2017 12:22 AM  

Curiouser and curiouser.

The pizza has you.


Another thing I find VERY interesting is the Trump administration is focusing on Cuba's drug smuggling. That's been semi-hidden knowledge but not really talked about for a long time. How many other governments? What other Drug War farces are there?

Drain the swamp.

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan June 17, 2017 12:32 AM  

I'm not even going to bother to read the preceding comments, because I know where they go and where they've been.

I just turned 56 years old, and I was alive and snapping when integration reared it's ugly head.

After a year or two, it became evident that all those black bus peoples were going to fail every class.

Couldn't have that!

So, some Social Genius came up with the "Grade Curve".

I never had to show up for class except to take a test, and get a "C" or "B", and I never even cracked a book until I went to college.

Even then....it was obvious.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 17, 2017 12:32 AM  

Vox can't disavow the Southern Baptist Convention.

they've got the church of Keck.

two of them, actually.

http://www.thekeckchurch.org/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keck-Baptist-Church/197784286940473

Anonymous Clay June 17, 2017 1:03 AM  

Ya know..."Grading On the Curve" is something I lived with, and I'm sure it exists today.

But, I never actually tried to find a definition...read it carefully:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grading_on_a_curve

Anonymous JAG June 17, 2017 1:15 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:There was an animal house-like movie in the early 90s. I never saw it, but it was a send up of multicultural whackiness called PCU.

If I remember, it didn't do that well because it was so over the top. I bet it would seem understated now.


Yes, classic, and somewhat prescient movie. Libtards are even more messed up today than what PCU was lampooning.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 17, 2017 1:42 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:Once again a young person finds out that the world is not honest, does not have integrity, there is corruption and undue influence, people are fully willing to cheat and lie. They thought that only happens in politics.

Some of us it fills with conviction and cold fury.

Blogger Fenris Wulf June 17, 2017 2:19 AM  

Lazarus wrote:technically NOT AN ELEPHANT
Anything that is not an elephant is irrelephant.

There's more where that came from.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Elephant_joke

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 17, 2017 4:25 AM  

It's not irrelephant....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjnOj9O16_I#t=74

Anonymous Eric the Red June 17, 2017 7:42 AM  

OT, ION:

Rebel Media protesters interrupt Trump assassination play...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/breaking-protesters-interrupt-trump-assassination-play-rush-stage-screaming-goebbels-proud-video/

The left set the rules, now they can enjoy having to live by them.

Blogger michaeloh59 June 17, 2017 9:13 AM  

#33"That home is going to be staffed by minorities 'doing the jobs that American's won't do.' Namely because the generations after the boomers can't stand the sight of them. That and the government will be facing collapse due to health care costs.

And have you ever been in a retirement home run by minorities? Hell hath no fury...."

No. The boomers will happily bankrupt the nation to squeeze the last few months out of their lives. It's not called 'the selfish generation' for nothing. And before you choke yourself laughing it up about racist dindu caregivers F'ing over elderly boomers, stop to consider the environment that you, yourself will be in when you land in the old folks home after another 30 or so years of racist immigration policies. I predict that stories of racist immigrants abusing elderly whites will be as common then as teachers diddling their students are today. I will be long dead by then but perhaps the coming abuse of the boomers will woke a few of their children and grandchildren; then at long last the boomers will have finally found a way to, collectively, make a sacrifice for this great nation.

Anonymous Mike Rock June 17, 2017 9:17 AM  

@45
Toad,
Why do folks not like the RC? I just read about it after reading your post and like what I saw. You can email if you wish.

God bless.
mikerock@mhtc.net

Anonymous Young Ned of the Hill June 17, 2017 9:30 AM  

Thank you ever so much.

Blogger Lovekraft June 17, 2017 10:08 AM  

Anyone interested in SJW infiltration over at Marvel Comics, there's two youtubers keeping abreast: Diversity & Comics, and Capn Cummings.

Blogger Nate June 17, 2017 12:00 PM  

RC is more popular than folks realize. They just call it Unschooling now.

Anonymous BBGKB June 17, 2017 1:18 PM  

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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/06/14/manhattan-vacant-storefronts/

Blogger William Meisheid June 17, 2017 4:25 PM  

I graduated from UMBC (University of Maryland Baltimore County) with a 4.0 in Ancient History with a Greek minor in 1985. I won the Ancient Studies prize that year and my partner and I were very successful at off-topic debate (we were the only public school in a competition dominated by Ivy League schools) and we finished 8th at nationals. In other words, I was successful by any measure as a later student - graduated high school in 1965 - but I was also a white male military veteran, Christian, and they dismissed me out of hand from consideration. I didn't fit the profile they were advancing, which meant my race and gender disqualified me. My advisor apologized to me, but it set the tone that I was to see from then on.

Blogger Gospace June 17, 2017 5:05 PM  

There are different forms of grading on a curve. In one course I took the final every year was graded on a curve. The top score and one standard deviation down was an "A", 2 standard deviations down "B", 3 "C", "D", 5 or more "F". Except for the year I took the course when they didn't use the top grade in determining standard deviation and started the grading at the 2nd highest score. There would have been one "A", a handful of "C"s and "D"s, and majority of the class would have failed if they kept the top grade in the curve. If the test is hard enough, using that format to grade on a curve gives you a pretty good measure of who's mastered the material. The test needs to be designed so no one gets a 100 and no one finishes all the questions.

Anonymous Clay June 17, 2017 8:06 PM  

HUH. Maybe they should use "Grading On A Curve" for Credit scores?

Wait...mebbe they already tried that?

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan June 17, 2017 8:11 PM  

BTW, Gospace...how can NO ONE get 100?

Blogger Gospace June 17, 2017 8:25 PM  

Only on the curve- if the test is hard enough.

Anonymous Clay June 17, 2017 9:21 PM  

Please forgive me of my selective ignorance, Gospasce.
"Only on the curve- if the test is hard enough."

What the hell does that mean? Make the tests stupid enough that ANYONE can "pass" it?

You are in denial.

Anonymous Noah Baudie June 17, 2017 10:32 PM  

Ah, yes. "Virtue signaling" has been going on a lot longer than the 1990s.

When I was in high school, circa 1984, they--and by "they" I mean the school administration--decided that a deformed cripple who had transferred into the district should be Homecoming Queen, and so they made her Homecoming Queen. Because everyone felt sorry for her. And because shouldn't deformed cripples have a chance to be Homecoming Queen too? And won't it look good in the newspapers, when this high school is the first in the greater tri-state region to have a homecoming queen who's a deformed cripple?

If the girl herself had an opinion about being thrust into the spotlight and put on display like an exhibit at a traveling carnival freak show, it was not recorded for prosperity.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 17, 2017 11:23 PM  

Bah.  No test should be so hard that nobody can get 100% on it.  That requires either trick questions or testing on material not taught and studied.  The tests should test for mastery of the material, and mastery should receive an A no matter if that is 1% of the class or 100% of the class.

This is a fine line to walk.  If 100% of an ability-sorted (NOT "inclusive") class is achieving mastery, they're probably studying material that's way below their abilities and they're bored out of their skulls.  If even 50% of a fully-included class is passing, at least the top 30% is not being challenged properly.

Blogger flyingtiger June 19, 2017 1:00 AM  

#24
Northern Illinois university, the perfect school for your c student. This place is also known as second chance university. The three girls probably found the academic work to be easy. They would spend most of their time looking for future husbands. There were a lot of dull minded males whose families owned business, and would not mind a little help with their studies.
NIU's most famous graduate is the voice of Homer Simpson.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 19, 2017 11:06 AM  

@9

"Imagine being an ethnic Southerner on top of that."

Now that's a fascinating concept. Of three men, Beauregard, RE Lee, and Pat Cleburne, which was the ethnic southerner? If so, was it by descent, which they did not share, by culture, which they did not share, or by the fact of slavery, which they did not share? Or was in a result of being in the same army? If white folks from 1861 New Orleans were ethnic southerners, were Ulster-Scot ridge runners from Appalachia something else. If the hillbillies were, then what were the folks from New Orleans? What of quakers in northern Alabama running the underground railroad?

Or is it, perhaps, a case of ethnic southronism not existing until after the CSA went down to defeat, and being created under the common strain of reconstruction?

Anonymous Aventure June 19, 2017 4:24 PM  

In 1991 I was offered the job of noon-time news director for a major TV network in a large market.

When I arrived for my first day of work, the station manager (a Boomer) told me he had to rescind my job offer because a "qualified" black had shown up at the last minute. He said that he had to give the job to this black instead, because a long-time black staffer (female) had threatened to go to the EEOC unless more blacks were hired by the station.

Too poor to sue and wanting to avoid a litigious reputation, I didn't sue. Probably a good decision: saved me headaches and why should I lift a finger for this evil country?

Anonymous Clay June 20, 2017 6:14 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:@9

"Imagine being an ethnic Southerner on top of that."

Now that's a fascinating concept. Of three men, Beauregard, RE Lee, and Pat Cleburne, which was the ethnic southerner? If so, was it by descent, which they did not share, by culture, which they did not share, or by the fact of slavery, which they did not share? Or was in a result of being in the same army? If white folks from 1861 New Orleans were ethnic southerners, were Ulster-Scot ridge runners from Appalachia something else. If the hillbillies were, then what were the folks from New Orleans? What of quakers in northern Alabama running the underground railroad?

Or is it, perhaps, a case of ethnic southronism not existing until after the CSA went down to defeat, and being created under the common strain of reconstruction?



Mr. Krautman.

Your leaving out many, many "ethnic" Southerners.

Remember Thomas Stonewall Jackson? James Longstreet? Albert Sidney Johnston? Pickett? A.P Hill? Raphael Semmes?


These men chose.

Pick your poison.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 20, 2017 6:25 AM  

No u's in the name.

I am also leaving out Charlie McNeil, KIA at Glendale, looking down from my office wall where he stands atop a cannon, holding the flag of the ANV, for the half a second or so he lasted. So? It's not about adding more names that fit one pattern, but looking for those that do not. Only then can we get a valid definition of "ethnically southern," if, indeed, one can be found.

You didn't really answer the question, though, Clay. If it's a matter of choice alone, on the part of the chooser, then, for example, any number of Somalis can choose to be American. I don't think that works well.

So what makes someone "ethnically southern"?

Blogger Tom Kratman June 20, 2017 6:32 AM  

Hmmm....Stonewall Jackson, born and raised in what became West Virginia; is he ethnically southern? Okay, well how about his full-blooded sister? You may never have heard of her, but she worked in a Union Army hospital as a volunteer and is alleged to have boasted she could patch Union soldiers up faster than her brother could shoot them. If he is and she isn't then you're going to have to dispense with any notion of blood ethnicity...and I am not sure that's possible.

Dave Farragut? Old Heart of Oak? Tennessean, but it wasn't Yankee torpedoes he was damning as he ordered "full speed ahead" at Mobile Bay. What's he?

Was George Thomas "ethnically southern" up to whipping Hood, or did he lose it earlier by failure to resign from the US Army?

Were Thomas and Farragut traitors to ethnicity? Where's that one in either the US or the CS constitutions?

Anonymous Clay June 20, 2017 6:36 AM  

My apologizes Thomas.

I was born in Mississippi, have lived here all my life.

Whether you can understand that....I can't help you. I was borne sweating and with ....I'll leave that alone.

Don't know where you're from sir...but it certainly isn't here.

Respects to you.

Anonymous Clay June 20, 2017 6:44 AM  

BTW.....you mention Farragut was a Tennessee Yankee...

Who was the commander of Vicksburg? Where was he from?

Blogger Tom Kratman June 20, 2017 7:07 AM  

Clay, that's not very helpful, actually. I mean, sure, we can smile indulgently at blacks wearing "X" t shirts who insist "it's a black thing; you wouldn't understand," but saying you are from somewhere doesn't add a thing to understanding how someone is or is not ethnically southern.

Pemberton? (No, of course I didn't have to look it up.) Yankee, of course. Pennsylvania, was it not? He married southern. Is marriage enough to make one ethnically southern?

Note, here, that, unlike my usual approach to things like this, I am attempting - gently attempting - to determine if there is any legitimacy to the notion of a southern ethnicity, and what it is composed of and defined as.

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