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Thursday, June 29, 2017

Oh, the irony

In case you didn't believe my observation that Americans simply do not grasp the concept of distinct European nations.
Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
White Nationalist fantasies notwithstanding, Europeans no more identify as Europeans than white Americans identify as European-Americans.

ItalianaforTrump‏@LifeLuvr1205
European American here. 👍🏻🇮🇹
Sometimes... communication gap... I can't... what... it... no... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MORONS?

Now I recall why I was so relieved to leave Twitter. It's not just the combination of stupidity and ignorance that I find unnerving, so much as the gloss of gleeful smugness that coats it.

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Blogger CF NEAL June 29, 2017 4:59 PM  

And "lastly", such imprecise language, laced throughout with expressions of absolute certitude, and unconfined by a relativistic framework; accomplishes house of card erection w/o stimulation of homeland designated survivor instincts.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 29, 2017 5:02 PM  

Mark, you have to go back. I hear the European Navy is recruiting for the Ladies' Auxiliary. Are you Muslim by chance?

Anonymous DissidentRight June 29, 2017 5:02 PM  

Old Ez wrote:You're not a serious person Deplorable.

If you're a leader in Spencer's movement, and you can't even answer basic questions about American history...good luck.

You guys should really have a meeting about how you are going to keep Southeners in submission to the Yankee Empire. And I'm not even a Southener.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 5:02 PM  

@189. Old Ez
you're right. Looking back they weren't strawmen, they were non-sequiturs. I misspoke.

Ah, I see. In that case, if I may suggest, DissidentRight left out some things which is why it came across as a non-sequitur.

Identities are not just a one and done thing. There are multiple layers that can come into conflict with each other - some of those layers include ethnicity, religion/ideology, regional identity.

In addition, each of those layers already named can be broken down almost infinitely.

As an example, let's take a rural white Kentucky man named Smith. Smith is human. Before he is human, he is white. Before he is white, he is American. Before he is American, he is a Kentucky man. Before Kentucky, he is rural. Before he is rural, he is Smith. Roughtly going, this is ascending in order of importance, the family being the most important.

This is not always true, and some layers will rise up and down in importance, but it's almost always true that the closer things are, the more you identify with. The more abstract and distant, the less.

He is white, but he is also a Smith, and a Kentucky man, and a rural man. Those are all his identities.

Also, nations are your extended genetic family, not things imposed artificially by a government. The artificial construct is instead the 'state'.

Thus, there were nations already in the US during 1790. People already had their own identities, of which white was part of them, but not the entirety. Was the US a white nation? It would've been far more accurate to have described the US as several white nations at the time.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros June 29, 2017 5:10 PM  

@145 Student In Blue
"@129. paworldandtimes
White Nationalism will be most effective when understood as an emergency alliance of independent Western (White) nations, as reflected by the "Stop White Genocide" and "No More Brother Wars" memes.

In your opinion, why is it so often misunderstood?"

I've noticed that in White Nationalist circles, what they're describing already exists in a way. The White Americans grit their teeth in fury at the evils committed against the peoples of the various European nations, and the various European nationalists who also contribute respond in kind. Everybody is more or less furious about British terror attacks, Cologne, Macron saying there is no such thing as French culture, etc.

The problem is fundamentally the same as military men, Christians, or the highly educated, who expect the rest of the world to set aside their differences in the same way they did.

Sure, if all America could be run with the discipline of a military camp, all men might consider themselves brothers just as much as American soldiers do.

Sure, if all the world were converted to sincere and healthy Christianity, the various races of Man might coexist in harmony to the same degree that sincere and healthy Christians can.

Sure, if everybody were intelligent enough and pursued life with a common devotion to the objective sciences, they might respect each other to the same degree that this works in elite science universities.

Sure, if all the white nations of the world had the scales fall off their eyes, and all saw the evils of their common enemies, and saw that the multiculturalists are a greater danger than each other, they might start getting along just as much as the various nationalists in the Alt-White.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the unity that can be accomplished by people with a strong shared purpose will not happen among large numbers of people who do not have that same shared purpose. Most of them don't even understand, or want to, what that shared purpose IS.

The mistakes the Alt-White makes, and the misunderstandings others have for it, largely come from the same source as with any outreach-focused community - we tend to assume that what works in our communities, and the way people were brought into our communities, might reasonably extrapolate to the population at large.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 5:10 PM  

@190. A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents
How many times? 5? 100? 10,000? Some people cannot be taught, you know.

While true, you have to consider that you're not only speaking to the other people, but to everyone else reading.

Jesus gave parables to the Pharisees (and Lord knows they didn't learn a thing from it), but everyone else benefitted from those parables.

nota bene: Responding to trolls is never worth it.

Anonymous Anonymous June 29, 2017 5:11 PM  

It is becoming increasingly evident that you're not nationalists at all; you certainly have zero respect for the European nations.

White nationalism makes sense in America as a potentiality, at least temporarily as a response to globalism and a precursor to the emergency of more specific ethnicities in the various bioregions. As the situation is different in Europe than it is in the US, so it is different in the US than it is in Europe. Here the concept has value, at least as a unifying meme in the current year.

Spencer's Pan-European new roman empire is larping, of course, but I can forgive a lot for a guy who triggers the left so hard. Greg Johnson is much better on what distributist ethnostates should look like.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 5:12 PM  

@Dissident Richard Spencers movement? To an Alt Right person that is laughable. You guys have to realize how ridiculous you look to us on the inside. One of the biggest groups in the movement is called "The Confederates" and they work closely with the Northern groups. The problem you guys have is that all of this inaccurate information you spread about our movement and its prospects has been confected entirely from your own imaginations. You don't know even the basic facts about what you're attempting to criticize which is why those of us who do know them react with a mixture of bemusement and frustration.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 29, 2017 5:21 PM  

Of all the things I've ever read on this blog, this possibly could be the thing that has horrified me the most.
I was born in downtown Atlanta, 50 yrs ago, raised in rural Alabama, now living outside of Atlanta, again.
I cannot speak for all Southerners, of course, but I can say I do know a hell of a lot of 'em, and what makes us tick.
If we could peacefully "remove our black population," starting at midnight tonight, there wouldn't be enough moving trucks on the East Coast or enough interstate highway space available to accomplish this task, quickly enough, to satisfy the bulk of the white Southern populace.
Do not be fooled by flowery words or by what words you don't hear spoken aloud.
As for our newest, South of the Border neighbors, well, those bonds are indeed more fragile than those with our long time duskier brethren.

Anonymous Glib Deplorable Amen Choir Boy June 29, 2017 5:21 PM  

Old Ez, if your groups are as powerful as you say then there is no way VD or anyone else can deny their White Nationalism. So there's no point in you trolling here aside from your own ego.

If your groups are just another bunch of Federal informants looking for normal but frustrated people to jack up on some sort of charges, in order to to prove the Bureau budget increase is direly needed, then trolling here is just a way to pass the time between filing reports. But ultimately futile.

So why are you here?

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 5:27 PM  

You're not a serious person deplorable, but I am here to counter the smears being directed at my people. Second, I'm here to warn you against trying to make "Alt white" or "alt retard" work for you because it wont. It will *not* be seen as a countersignalling racism or WNism. It will be seen for what it is: a countersignal against the alt right. I don't want to see you folks make the mistake of being seen as enemies of the alt right when I know youre not. "Alt retard" or "alt white" will only make spectators think you're anti alt right. You will be piblicly casting your lot with the cucks and I don't want to see that happen.

Blogger roughcoat June 29, 2017 5:31 PM  

Oh, so you're a concern troll.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 5:33 PM  

Also deplorable, a running gag in the alt right is that the first person to accuse someone of being a fed is the most likely candidate for being one. You would know this if you knew anything about the people you were criticizing.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 5:34 PM  

That's a meme a fed would invent.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 5:34 PM  

No rough im genuinely concerned. Put down the cynicism.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 5:37 PM  

Also, haven't you seen A Serious Man? That's something JEWS say.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 29, 2017 5:45 PM  

Thank you MK, the host along with others for a educational thread, thanks always, LP

Anonymous The Smoking Man June 29, 2017 5:47 PM  

I am generally pleased with this and the other thread. There is a large communications gap between the alt white, alt west and alt lite. Threads like these are helpful, if only as a way to highlight the ways in which we aren't being understood and are failing to understand one another.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 29, 2017 5:52 PM  

I also realize the utility of the term Alt-Retard.

I am reminded time after time.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 29, 2017 5:58 PM  

Old Ez wrote:The problem you guys have is that all of this inaccurate information you spread about our movement and its prospects has been confected entirely from your own imaginations. You don't know even the basic facts about what you're attempting to criticize which is why those of us who do know them react with a mixture of bemusement and frustration.
What is being criticized, currently, is literally nothing more less than the concept of “white nationalism”.

We all know the basic facts of white nationalism. It’s right there in the name: uniting whites (or at least American whites) as one people.

You have failed to address ANY of the criticism. Why is that?

Old Ez wrote:One of the biggest groups in the movement is called "The Confederates" and they work closely with the Northern groups.

The fact that there are Yankee and Southern white nationalists, working together, has absolutely no implications for the Yankee and Southern peoples as a whole.

Old Ez wrote:countersignal against the alt right

How can we countersignal against ourselves?

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 6:10 PM  

If you're not pro white you're not alt right. Period.

Blogger Gospace June 29, 2017 6:11 PM  

Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 1:36 PM
It doesn't make any sense to me to give a damn which boat your ancestor 4 generations removed stepped off.

Previous generations cared more about that, and we will again. The question in America is: when whites get fed up with the multi-cult globalist program, will they rally under the banner of "white American" (which I gather is the alt-White's goal), or will they, like the Europeans, split more narrowly along real national/ethnic lines? Will Scots-Irish Southrons, German Midwesterners, and Puritan Yankees all come to think of themselves and each other as "White," or will they divide into those different groups and fight to preserve their own group?


I've traced back family lines for myself, my wife, 2 daughters-in-law, and a friend, and all trace back to before 1776. And what they have in common is ancestry from the 4 main British areas, English, Irish, Scotch, and Welsh. And some with Cornish. And all have a minimum of two other European groupings, all different. Italian, German, French, Spanish, Dutch to name some. And that's German as we think of German; when they arrived here they thought of themselves as Bavarian or Bohemian or whatever other part of Germany they were from. I suspect that anyone who can trace back ancestry to the founding of the nation has pretty much the same thing- a mixture of European ethnostates.

Very few people with this background identify themselves as hyphenated Americans of any kind. We're simply American. (except for St. Patrick's Day and Columbus Day....) That's it, just American. And, we speak English. The language all our ancestors learned after getting here, if they didn't already speak it. I think that's the identity white Americans will assume, as that is their identity- American. No need for a hyphen.

And an awful lot of us have ancestors, and ancestral relatives, on both sides of that great unpleasantness that happened between 1861-1865. I do, as does my wife, and the other people I've traced. If you identify as a Yankee or a Southerner in all likelihood that's a self-proclaimed identity. People in the United States have been moving around constantly since the first arrival of settlers on the North American continent. Between siblings, first cousins, and children my family is currently in 8 different states.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 6:13 PM  

To an Alt Right person that is laughable. You guys have to realize how ridiculous you look to us on the inside. One of the biggest groups in the movement is called "The Confederates" and they work closely with the Northern groups.
You and your ilk are not the whole of the alt Right. You are part of the alt Right, and a small part at that. The Confederates are one of the largest groups. What do they have 60 members? 100?
I realize you clowns think you own the alt Right. You don't. You're laughably small, demonstrably ineffective and pathetically irrational.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 29, 2017 6:18 PM  

A nation's strength and unity are derived in large part from its foundational myths. In most cases that's some version of, "We are a distinct people with our own religion, physical appearance, language, and customs, and we've been here for a long time."

Even among right-leaning whites, there's not yet much shared sense of identity. But if we somehow manage to dominate or expel the hostile parties and cut off immigration, we may be identifiable as a single people in a few hundred years. Perhaps a bloody conflict would expedite that process, in much the same way that WW2 forged a more unified Soviet identity, albeit briefly.

Which ties into another point: a nation founded on demonstrable lies is certain to collapse.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 6:19 PM  

You sound like you're trying to convince someone over than me Snidley. Yourself maybe?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 29, 2017 6:19 PM  

LARPing as Stonewall Jackson < raising children

Blogger Robert June 29, 2017 6:28 PM  

Ever since I read "Decline of the West" I thought I knew what my culture was. History, ethnicity, music, politics, architecture, technology, all came together in that and the other Spengler works. And it was the most influential and acclaimed work of philosophy in the early twentieth century.
Men of the West do share a valuable and coherent culture that has been under attack for a century. And it assumes and requires a certain ethnic and racial background that is common only to the civilised European nations and their offspring in the extra-European lands.
Stimulating thread.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 6:36 PM  

You sound like you're trying to convince someone over than me Snidley. Yourself maybe?
I'm not trying to convince anybody, you old queen. I'm mocking you.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 6:36 PM  

F

Anonymous Beresford June 29, 2017 6:50 PM  

Because white IS an identity in USA, and it was an identity which was supposed to define a federation. Which is not a nation.

So if white nationalists called themselves White Federationists would you stop shooting to the White?

Anonymous Beresford June 29, 2017 6:54 PM  

Because white IS an identity in USA, and it was an identity which was supposed to define a federation. Which is not a nation.


If White Nationalists called themselves White Federationists or White Statists would you stop shooting to the White?

Blogger Dwain Dibley June 29, 2017 7:08 PM  

Nobody of Consequence wrote:American - any one from a couple dozen countries in the Americas. American - ignorant use of word for people from the United States of America. What are the United States? Well the US IS NOT a nation. How do we know? In 1787, all references to the USA as a nation and the government as national were removed from the preliminary document BECAUSE the Framers were NOT forming a nation. See Elliot's Debates. No where in the Constitution is the US referred to in the singular. Every reference is plural as in "their enemies" or "any of them". The socialist lie that has been used to brain-wash the idiots of America is known as the Pledge. So the idiots of today are brain-washed and have no idea that the US are 50 nations assembled in a Union, that is SUPPOSED to have EXTREMELY limited powers. The Framers spin in their graves when the lie is recited. Each of us in the US is from a nation, usually called a state which is === to nation (See Declaration of Independence).

Interesting observation. Technically, the Constitution does remove the states' right to self-determination by making it unconstitutional for them to create their own money/currency. When the southern states attempted to break away, one of their first acts they pursued, was to create their own money/currency, the act of a sovereign. Money/currency is an expression of sovereignty, it's the difference between being a peasant living at the whim of those who rule and a sovereign man capable of self determination.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 29, 2017 7:12 PM  

Beresford wrote:Because white IS an identity in USA, and it was an identity which was supposed to define a federation. Which is not a nation.

If White Nationalists called themselves White Federationists or White Statists would you stop shooting to the White?


Realistically, you might have to downgrade it to a White Alliance. Because that's what this is really all about. Uniting us against the traitors and invaders. After that we can go back to a limited Constitutional government that doesn't intefere in the lives of its citizens.

Anonymous Roundtine June 29, 2017 7:25 PM  

So the idiots of today are brain-washed and have no idea that the US are 50 nations assembled in a Union,

You would be absolutely correct prior to 1865. But this is no longer the case in law or in the behavior of the general population. That is a tragedy, but that's where we are at in 2017.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 29, 2017 7:37 PM  

In Vox's terms, I'm American 1.0 all the way back except for a pair of Danish great grand parents on my mother's side. Except for those Danish great grand parents my line has been here three centuries or so. Despite having almost entirely English ancestry, I'm not English. Those two lonely Danes don't make me Danish, either. In appearance I'm about as white as White can be.

I'm White. So are Slavs and Celts and Danes and Icelanders and on and on. My citizenship is US, my nationality is American without a hyphen, my race is White.

There are a whole lot of White people who are not Americans and there are a whole lot of White Americans who are Yankee or Western or Southern or Hillbilly. Our White race is found in several countries and includes many nations, and the American nation includes many nations, just as surely as English includes Yorkshire and Lancastershire.

What's wrong with White Nationalism? It doesn't match up to any of those realities. Other than that, it's fine.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 7:45 PM  

I would be absolutely on board with ditching the terminology of "white nationalism" in favor of the "White Alliance". I think it's a spectacular improvement frankly.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 7:57 PM  

I'm here to warn you against trying to make "Alt white" or "alt retard" work for you because it wont.

Of course it will. That's why you guys panicked when the Dread Ilk and I first began to brand you with the latter. That's why you reacted so strongly at the mere mention of Alt-Retard applied to one solitary Twitter moron.

As for Alt-White, that is what you properly are. Whiteness is your overriding concern; half your movement isn't even of the political right. Do you really still not understand the difference between a brand name and a taxonomic identification? A lion is a lion whether you call it a lion, un leone, or der Löwe.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 7:59 PM  

I would be absolutely on board with ditching the terminology of "white nationalism" in favor of the "White Alliance". I think it's a spectacular improvement frankly.

I think that would be wise. The challenge you'll face is that it will smoke out the one white statists among you who will resist that. But if you're correct and they don't exist in any significant numbers, then no problem.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 8:05 PM  

You guys have to realize how ridiculous you look to us on the inside.

You clearly have no idea how amusing that sounds coming from someone who actively runs around with a Swastika crowd.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 8:09 PM  

@vd the thing about the alt right is that we accept statists just like we accept ancaps. Theres not too many of either, but we leave the door open to them as long as theyre willing to understand that our movement is not rooted in any economic or political ideology, so they can't expect everyone to convert to their faith. What unites us is deeper than any ideology, so we don't a priori exclude any ideology per se.

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 8:24 PM  

Holy hybrid stabilization theory... Richard Spencer is actually an EUNazi!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't think it was possible. I have once again underestimated human stupidity.

The Alt-Retards really have ruined a perfectly good name: "white nationalist".

Miscegenate that. Let's call them "white globalists". Kissing cousins with Commies and kikes!

Blogger Ransom Smith June 29, 2017 8:47 PM  

"White Nationalism"

Such a bogus idea. Especially considering some "Europeans" aren't even white.

Come at me Slavs.

In non joking seriousness, America was once 13 unique nations with individual heritages and culture. Some similarities existed. But a Virginia wasn't a South Carolinian.

Banding together in a loose knit alliance is useful for the time being. But that doesn't mean we like each other. Long term, blood runs thick. My Germanic blood will still yearn to subdue Slavs.
And so on with each group.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 9:04 PM  

@vd I'll admit that when that all went down last year I was worried what might happen. But after having seen what I've seen and done what I've been doing, I'm not worried any more. If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, be my guest. I know it can't hurt us now. This distinction between Alt-Right, Alt-White and Alt-West exists in only one place: voxday.blogspot.com. If you want to start calling people "Alt-Retard" go ahead, but you will only be seen to be counter-signaling the Alt-Right. You might gain some personal satisfaction, but not much else good could possibly come from it. To me it seems like a waste of perfectly good resources.

But whatever happens, know that at least some of us that are held in such unjustly low regard here don't bear any grudges. We can't help being who we are and maybe circumstances have made it such that who we are is intolerable for one reason or another; we understand. Is there anyone who can appreciate and understand intolerance more than a Nazi™? I don't think so.

So everyone is just going to keep on keepin' on I think. Maybe in between enjoying eachothers' content there's going to be some brawls that leave everyone black and blue and the enemy chuckling, but ultimately I think everyone here believes or knows that what is good and what is right cannot remain for long at odds. The truth will sort itself out. If people want to keep looking back, for example, to the 13 colonies as if it has some bearing on what our nation will look like in the future, I am pleased for them to do so. I hope they write 1000 historical theses on it and I look forward to reading about them. But these folks need to understand that there are others of us that are more forward looking and we're not bound to the ideologies of the Enlightenment or Modernism or Westphalianism even. That makes a lot folks uncomfortable and we get that. But there are better ways to handle it than lobbing rhetorical tar babies. To the outside world, we're all Alt-Right - that means we're all Alt-Retard.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 9:07 PM  

Old Ez wrote:But whatever happens, know that at least some of us that are held in such unjustly low regard here don't bear any grudges. We can't help being who we are and maybe circumstances have made it such that who we are is intolerable for one reason or another; we understand. Is there anyone who can appreciate and understand intolerance more than a Nazi™? I don't think so.


That's it, gamma, Rise Above It.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 9:17 PM  

I suppose that there would be the cue for a certain faction among us. This may get amusing.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 9:25 PM  

They're mostly taking their frustrations on ME for Vox not giving the green light, because I'm the nearest target.

Blogger Lazarus June 29, 2017 9:39 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Old Ez, did Hitler do anything wrong?

Well, he was a vegetarian with an extensive pharmacopia. That could be described as "wrong" under certain conditions.

Blogger Lazarus June 29, 2017 9:43 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Jesus gave parables to the Pharisees (and Lord knows they didn't learn a thing from it), but everyone else benefitted from those parables.

They were not supposed to learn. That is why He spoke in parables. He had to explain them to his followers. Not everyone is supposed to understand, which is why the idea of converting the world is a perversion of the message.

Blogger S1AL June 29, 2017 9:57 PM  

"In non joking seriousness, America was once 13 unique nations with individual heritages and culture. Some similarities existed. But a Virginia wasn't a South Carolinian."

People are really overstating this notion. Americans have always practiced a great deal more geographic and social mobility than anywhere else on Earth. The Constitution contains a great many references to "The People of the United States" - note that it does not say "Peoples". As was understood at the time, "nation" was more complex than simply related descendants - thus the Cherokee nation that included several distinct tribes united in common cause. Note also that, in the "letter of transmittal", there is a reference to "national interests". Furthermore, George Washington made SEVERAL references to the USA as a "nation" in his first inaugural address.

Blogger Elder Son June 29, 2017 10:10 PM  

And whether a Virginian, or a South Carolinian, if you are White, they still want you gone and dead. At the very least, living in your closet, afraid.

Blogger ZhukovG June 29, 2017 10:14 PM  

It is interesting to watch the interactions among people in these type of threads. One thing I observe is that there exists, among those who identify as White Nationalist, differences in views and opinions which by themselves are extremely fractious.

I see the same thing among those who identify as Alt-West, but at least they seem to be more realistic about it.

My conclusion is that Europe and her myriad nations will most likely emerge not just triumphant, but decisively so and the United States of America, as we have known it, is screwed. Europe does not and will not need American help. We, the American children of the European nations, will need Europe's help.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 29, 2017 10:15 PM  

Old Ez:

1. Vox doesn’t initiate anything, and when he retaliates it’s only 2x as hard and not 1000x as hard. (I.e., unlike the enemy, he clearly isn’t out to destroy anyone in the AltRight). If you’re going to engage Vox intellectually, don’t complain if (when) he makes you look like an idiot. If you insult him, don’t complain if he hurts your feelings.

2. Identifying as “someone who believes in white identity (or white nationalism)” is not the same as actually having “white identity”. Attacking white nationalism is not actually an attack on whiteness. And it’s only an attack on white nationalists insofar as they are incapable of separating themselves from their political ideology. In other words, don’t take it personally.

Anonymous Roger June 30, 2017 3:00 AM  

The thing is, identities change, merge and new ones are created. Just ask the Angles and the Saxons. Just because White wasn't an identity before, doesn't mean it will stay that way.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 30, 2017 3:22 AM  

There is an American nation. Or was, not sure which tense is still accureate. It is or was composed of several tribes. There's the Yankee tribe, the Southron tribe, the Appalachian tribe. Westerners might even be a tribe. It's mostly a nation of englishmen who were disinherited and had to carry on, but it's accepted a few Irish, Germans, Poles and... less completely, Italians. Accepting the non-Englishmen in changed it, but we are where we are. I can't go back to Cornwall or to County Roscommon. My friends the Polaskis can't go back to Poland.

But nations do sometimes split. France and Germany are the remains of what was once a nation of the Franks, but the east Franks and the west Franks went their separate ways. Probably had to do with the number of Gauls the West Franks accepted in, but separate they did.

Just like the English nation and the American nation went their separate ways.

But, regardless. Even though there is an American nation that is predominately White, it doesn't identify as "white". It identifies as "American." George Washington, the Wright Brothers, Old Ironsides, John Wayne, Sam Spade, Ward Cleaver, Don't Tread on Me...

The Civic Nationalists are not dumbasses because they believe you can forge a nationality out of ideas, they are dumbasses because they think genetics are irrelevant to the whole process. The Alt-White tend to be dumbasses in a mirror image. They think genetics are all that matters to identity and ignore the importance of buy-in to the identity. Americans are not National Socialists and it doesn't matter how white your skin is, if you're a National Socialist, you're an outcast from the American Nation.


Blogger lowell houser June 30, 2017 7:49 PM  

European Americans? Do you mean Canadians?

Blogger lowell houser June 30, 2017 7:56 PM  

They don't want us dead. They want us outnumbered just enough that we can never stop whatever they are doing, but still numerous that we can have a dagger held at our throats to pay for everything. So basically, the working model is Los Angeles with kinks to work out.

Blogger lowell houser June 30, 2017 8:03 PM  

In other words, the smarter among the left have white replacement planned not to completely extinct whites, but instead to more or less farm white productivity.while locking us in with no hope of escape. It's a similar setup Shia Islam has with Christians and jews - left alone as long as they pay their infidel tax. The plan is to parasitize off of us in perpetuity.

Anonymous Pennywise July 01, 2017 9:56 AM  

The American identity hasn’t been lost within the past 60 years, it just has transformed, similar to when the Thirteen Colonies began as primarily British, but subsumed other European groups who were historic rivals, and eventually non-Europeans. The Welsh, the Cornish, Bavarians, the Catalans--they may have been distinct sub-Europeans groups, but over generations they intermingled and dispersed here. As a result, that “tribe” no longer is important, nor should it be to others.

Americans are a mixture of European and non-European ethnostates who, like any and all groups, self-identify. They know who they are and where they come from, and create groups who share their self-identities. Furthermore, the default for American is American and not a particular race, regardless of one’s willingness to admit it. When you call yourself a black American or a Chinese American, you are still an American, as in residing in the nation of the United States. And while Yankees and Southerners and Midwesterners are clearly different, they are not separate “tribes” or “nations”, just locations with different groups of people who identify geographically, socially, or culturally. This identification, of course, is the result of indoctrination...from our Founding Fathers.

Now, some Europeans may identify as European first, ethnicity second, or some Europeans say they are Italian, Swedish, or French-Swiss from the get-go. It is grossly overstating and understanding what ought to be the standard bearer. Again, people self-identify in this particular manner. They may or may not consider themselves as tribes, as several of my relatives who still live in Europe attest to. So Europeans may self-identify themselves as European.

And a special shout out to Nate, who “says ‘our blacks aren't your blacks’.” How master-slave orientated of you!

Anonymous Pennywise July 01, 2017 10:23 AM  

Something to add, the order of importance to an identity is
human, family, religion, nation, ethnicity, race, and sport teams.
And a nation, as we know, is an extended genetic family only in that its citizens are human beings.

"Was the US a white nation? It would've been far more accurate to have described the US as several white nations at the time."

No, it would be accurate to describe the U.S. as a nation consisting of several groups of people who collectively and individually self-identify.

Blogger Markku July 01, 2017 8:56 PM  

How master-slave orientated of you!

That's far from his most offensive opinions on the issue...

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