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Sunday, June 11, 2017

SBC resolution: a Christian analysis

Here is an analysis of the proposed Southern Baptist Convention resolution directed against nationalism and the Alt-Right:
It is time to dissect this resolution and introduce some context.

The Southern Baptists have been in decline.

1. Their Birth rates are down.
2. Their Evangelism rates are down.
3. They don't have an accurate grasp on the condition of their organization, statistically, as they are missing data from 1/4th of their congregations.
4. People are giving less to them
5. In contrast to their decline in population and wealth, they have been steadily growing the NUMBER of churches for the last 18 years, with another 479 (1%) net growth last year. This indicates a tendency to focus on Churchianism instead of being Followers of Christ.
6. More liberal churches within the convention contain the largest amount of baptisms.

I've only been a Christian for about 9 months. Within those months, I have hopped around Central Virginia trying to find a church which is not Social Justice Converged nor lacking in truthful scriptural backing. Initially, I felt a draw towards Baptist churches. Disturbingly, I also felt an intuition that there was a disharmonious spirit in the air within these churches. I concluded that I simply did not have a large enough sample size to formulate a coherent reason why I felt that. With this new resolution, I now have enough information. The corruption has spread to the top.

In their attempt to appeal to the masses, the same masses which would condemn Jesus Christ to Death, they have rejected Him and have become blind.

Now for the line-by-line analysis to back up my rhetoric.

Resolution on The Condemnation of the "Alt-Right" Movement and the Roots of White Supremacy
Submitted to the Resolutions Committee for the SBC Annual Meeting, Phoenix, AZ, June 13-14, 2017
By William Dwight McKissic,Sr.

   The use of air quotes indicates that the author does not understand what the Alt-Right even encompasses. Bait and Switch snake-tongue tactic used, swapping out White Nationalism with White Supremacy, even though they are different conceptual models. Note: I do not endorse White Nationalism because it is an incoherent model, seeing as there is no such thing as the "White Nation". White Supremacy is also dumb, primarily because the differences between the white nations are too substantive and broad to categorize as a single entity of supremacy, although there are also ethical conclusions which are foolish in regards to the supremacy of any people over another. I am not up to date on church politics, but it appears that the Resolutions Committee has an opportunity to reject this resolution on June 13-14, 2017. I advise that they do so due to the lack of precision detailed within this document. The author, William Dwight McKissic, Sr. has not taken the time to understand exactly what the Alt-Right ideology is, and therefore is not making correct conclusions. Although he has already been caught in snake-tongue tactics and I haven't even begun to look at the body of the resolution. A couple minutes of intensive research reveals that he has not been known to make wise decisions in his expression of his theology, and I would posit that this resolution is within that same category.

WHEREAS, Scripture teaches that from one man God made every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation (Acts 17:26); and

   This piece of scripture is relevant only in pointing out that nations do, in fact, exist, and that they were made by God himself. It is important to note that directly following Genesis 10 to which Acts 17:26 is obviously referencing, The nations then unified in the story of the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11. One can properly infer that this has been the most diverse place in regards to nations, in the history of the biblical story. What did God do? He dispersed them and confused their language. It is God-willed that the nations exist separately from each other, and not mixed together in Unity and in the name of Diversity and speaking the same language. The natural objection would be Galatians 3:28 where Paul says that there is neither Jew nor Greek. If you stop the analysis there, then I would agree with the objection. But we do not stop the analysis there. In context, Paul is talking about how we are not held captive under the old law due to our justification through faith in the Lord Christ Jesus, and because of this, the faith is not limited to any singular nation, class, or sex. If we are to take Paul's words as an indication that when one becomes a Christian, they immediately lost all nationality, then we must also conclude that the concept of slavery and freedom are no longer in existence when one becomes a Christian (thus rationalizing slavery) and that there neither female nor male Christians exist. Now, Acts 17:26 also gives a hint to how we should conceptually model the nations. This verse says that God determined the boundaries of their habitation, which would lead to the conclusion that the nation is not talking about the legal structure above a people, but instead about the people themselves.

WHEREAS, the prophet Isaiah foresaw the day when the Lord would judge between the nations and render decisions for many people (Isaiah 2:4); and

   The only comment I have upon this reference to scripture is the fact that we are observably not in the day when nation shall not lift up sword against nation, and I also propose that, as the scripture says, be God who determines that day, not us.
Read the whole thing there. It's both remarkable, and sad, that such a new Christian can produce a critical analysis that is observably more accurate and more relevant than what most lifelong Christians are capable of doing.

The Alt-Right represents the rainbow of nations created by God. Diversity represents the elimination and genocide of nations by men who believe they will make themselves gods. Choose carefully with whom you will side.




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Anonymous VFM #6306 June 11, 2017 11:03 AM  

That's only because the baby Christian is being suckled on the milk of scripture, and has not yet graduated to the exotic solid food of foreigners.

Thus saith Judeo Christ, as written in the First Book of Mayhem.

Anonymous Causal Lurker June 11, 2017 11:19 AM  

Well said, young man. Sad and shameful that his supposed betters have lost grip on their faith and their souls. That's a powerful flensing with the blade of Truth. I couldn't add anything to the argument except to demand the immediate excommunication of McKissic ( if that's the applicable term for SBC).

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 11, 2017 11:32 AM  

Also don't forget there are tares among the wheat.

Blogger Orville June 11, 2017 11:35 AM  

Outstanding analysis and conclusion. It's very encouraging to see young men so new to the faith with such a grasp. I hope and pray he finds a suitable church home as they are very few.

Blogger flyingtiger June 11, 2017 11:41 AM  

This reminds me of my problem. I am a Roman Catholic. I am not sure the Roman Catholic church still exists. The buildings are there but are the people?

Blogger praetorian June 11, 2017 11:47 AM  

The buildings are there but are the people?

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

Applies as much to us catholic sorts as to anyone else.

We will retake the church. It will take time.

Blogger ZhukovG June 11, 2017 11:52 AM  

@flyingtiger: It's still there, even if we currently have a leftist moron for a Pope. However if your local parish is intolerable, there is nothing wrong with investigating other denominations.

You need to go where you can spiritually grow, if that means you have to attend an Orthodox or Protestant church, so be it.

Blogger ZhukovG June 11, 2017 11:56 AM  

To add; The Church is bigger than Rome, Moscow and Southwestern Seminary.

Blogger Basil Makedon June 11, 2017 12:07 PM  

It takes time to find a Church that isn't converged, but it is satisfying when you do. It will all be returned and restored, but it will take time.

Blogger Farnswords June 11, 2017 12:09 PM  

Although I wouldn't condemn anyone based on what church he attends, in general I think it is foolish to be a part of any church with a centralized organization beyond its own elders. This seems to me profoundly unbiblical, and people end up saddled with the insane positions that their official denomination holds, and even worse, they feel obligated to defend them.

Most of the mainstream denominations, I believe, are dying out, and young people have little interest in their traditional quarrels and desperate attempts to stay relevant. Unless a grain of wheat falls to the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. I hope to see a true revival in the United States in my lifetime, and it certainly won't happen in the SBC. But in many non-denominational churches, the seeds are there.

Blogger ZhukovG June 11, 2017 12:19 PM  

@Farnswords: With respect sir, the Holy Spirit is the bringer of revival and so neither the SBC or RCC are beyond hope. While I pray the that the Holy Spirit brings it to the RCC, I will welcome it anywhere.

St. Charles Spurgeon, pray for us.

Blogger O'Brien Statham June 11, 2017 12:25 PM  

Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda.
The reformed church is reforming itself into oblivion, it's just being consistent to its ecclesiology.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis June 11, 2017 12:32 PM  

On thing to note: this is a "proposed" resolution by a "guest" commentator on that blog. The author of this resolution is not on the list of regular contributors to the site, which is identified as a blog. It has no official relationship to the Southern Baptists. The poster is not one of the pastors scheduled to speak at the conference.

Digging into various sites I see that the SBC is splitting along racial lines. The author of this resolution is black. A lot of the black Southern Baptist Convention black churches are focused on "Social Justice" e.g. cultural marxism.

Another argument opposing this black cultural marxism is seen here: https://neociceroniantimes.wordpress.com/2017/06/10/i-disavow-sbc17/

Quote: "Perhaps most galling is the sheer hypocrisy of this resolution as it pertains to the SBC itself, and to many within that organisation’s leadership. Let’s be frank – when cultural marxists such as W.D. McKissic condemn “the alt-Right” or “nationalism,” what they really mean is “white males who reject globalism.” Let’s be honest here – that’s what they’re talking about. They’re talking about white males (and in most cases the white women they’re married to or are otherwise involved with) who don’t think their countries should be flooded with millions of hostile Third Worlders. They’re talking about white males who are concerned about the murders and the rape jihads and the crime and the civil disorder and all the rest which Muslim “refugees” have brought to Europe, and even to some parts of Australia and North America. In essence, they’re talking about white males who don’t want to see the unique goodness of Western civilisation destroyed. These cultural marxists in the SBC and elsewhere can dress it all up in flowery language about “love” and “equality” and “racial justice” all they want, but what they really mean is that they hate people who want to preserve their own cultures. If whites support their own cultures, then they’re “racist.” It’s racist to support the continued prosperity of your own cultures and countries – at least if you’re white. "

Blogger Ezekiel June 11, 2017 12:33 PM  

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Blogger Doom June 11, 2017 12:33 PM  

Yeah, I need to start looking again. I might have to drive a long distance. There is a road too long. It would be better to find local Catholics, who actually believe, or even know to believe honestly, and do prayer sessions. So many in the church are... just wrong though. How would you even go about sorting?

Can't find the sinless. Just looking for those who understand what sin is and reject it to the best of our knowledge. And who seek redemption, forgiveness. It really is that simple, and difficult. I am fine receiving Eucharist, I just won't be a member of any particular church at this point. It is said the Wandering Jew became Catholic. Even so, I'll bet he wanders churches too. Hmm... perhaps I should start wandering again?

Blogger Ezekiel June 11, 2017 12:33 PM  

Is it common for pastor's wives to be known as "first lady".

That's apparently Vera McKissic's title at Cornerstone Baptist. Suburban Texas megachurch run by politically-active dindus? I doubt you'll ever find a more fertile breeding ground for pretentiousness.

Anyway, BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT PEPE KEKISM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE BLOOD OF NORMIES UPON AN ALTAR OF LULZ REEEEEEEEE!!!

Blogger Nick S June 11, 2017 12:48 PM  

Well done. I pray that such common sense once again becomes common.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 11, 2017 12:50 PM  

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

Applies as much to us catholic sorts as to anyone else.


Right. The Church was there before any of the buildings, and will continue regardless of who currently occupies them.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 11, 2017 12:56 PM  

@Ezekiel

It's largely a thing in black churches. And they're a powerful bunch too.

Blogger Johnny June 11, 2017 1:05 PM  

Bellator Mortalis wrote:A lot of the black Southern Baptist Convention black churches are focused on "Social Justice" e.g. cultural marxism.

Reasons are rationalizations so much that a mental expedient is to ask: what do they want. Give me stuff is what they want.

Blogger Weouro June 11, 2017 1:08 PM  

Only thing I disagree with is that White Nations don't exist because White peoples are ethnically distinct. If Europeans don't think of themselves as White it's because they're parsing their ethnic differences at a deeper level. Its like Derbyshire talking about the different types of Africans. No one would say the Pygmies aren't black because they're distinct from the bushmen. All tye european nations have relatively fair skin, ballet, opera, sonnets, five act plays, the same musical instruments and other similarities, similar stories and fairy tales, and so forth.

Blogger DrAndroSF June 11, 2017 1:13 PM  

Re " White nationalism is incoherent because there is no such thing as a white nation." Back in the year 1000, this genius would be saying things like, "French nationalism is incoherent because there is no such thing as a French nation, just Burgundians and Franks and Celts and Normans. "

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 11, 2017 1:17 PM  

Causal Lurker wrote:
Well said, young man. Sad and shameful that his supposed betters have lost grip on their faith and their souls. That's a powerful flensing with the blade of Truth. I couldn't add anything to the argument except to demand the immediate excommunication of McKissic ( if that's the applicable term for SBC).

SBC apparently cannot excommuniate anyone, only the local church can do so. Beezebubba, Lord Hee-Haw of Arkansas was always a member in good standing in the long eight years as teleprompter-reader for the Beasts of Epstein Island. Probably still is. The reason the SBC Church came about was that they refused to sign on to the abolitionist aguments about slavery in the civil war era. They issued an official policy around 20 years ago to being in race-hustlers and con men like McKissic. They've been steadily converged in all fronts ever since. There was a previous attempt at convergence via the seminaries in the 1970s which was pushed back for about 15 years. SBC delenda est.

Blogger Deep Thought June 11, 2017 1:20 PM  

Christianity is in decline in the West and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. It's not Muslims you must worry about. It is other Christians and their partners the secularists.

Blogger al June 11, 2017 1:24 PM  

I went to a SBC World Convention about 20 years ago. Even then it was very diverse. I had to sit through a Bilingual Spanish-English lecture which took twice as long as it would have otherwise. I was deeply annoyed and lost interest like most people would have. Apparently they're just following the same internationalizing trend they began back then. Still the SBC has quite weak control over Southern Baptist Churches, unlike some other denominations, so most churches just ignored SBC's pronouncements and did their own thing.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 11, 2017 1:25 PM  

O'Brien Statham wrote:
Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda.

The reformed church is reforming itself into oblivion, it's just being consistent to its ecclesiology.


That's not a bad point, but do keep in mind that the organization headed by Hi-Fellatin' Franny the Poltroonifex Maximus of Pooftery is arguably in even worse shape (though things are such a wreck in all of them it gets very difficult to use terms like "worse" or "better").

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 1:27 PM  

It's both remarkable, and sad, that such a new Christian can produce a critical analysis that is observably more accurate and more relevant than what most lifelong Christians are capable of doing.
The obvious conclusion leaves Christians shrieking like SJWs.

Just sayin'.

Anonymous Northern Observer June 11, 2017 1:28 PM  

"This piece of scripture is relevant only in pointing out that nations do, in fact, exist, and that they were made by God himself."

Genetic studies have shown that there has been far less mass movements of people that previously assumed. For example, the amount of Latin and Nordic genes in England is far less than most experts would have assumed, and you see this same anchoring of local populations to the soil for millennia again and again.

It really does seem to demonstrate that God created the nations and set the boundaries of their habitation.

One notable exception to this pattern is the modern western European. Most other exceptions, such as the Caribbean, were caused by western Europeans.

If there really is a supernatural influence in maintaining nations and their boundaries, there's going to be one hell of a demographic cataclysm coming.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 11, 2017 1:28 PM  

Deep Thought wrote:
Christianity is in decline in the West and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. It's not Muslims you must worry about. It is other Christians and their partners the secularists.

Musloids are merely the symptom, not the disease. The well has been poisoned.

Blogger VD June 11, 2017 1:30 PM  

The obvious conclusion leaves Christians shrieking like SJWs.

No, it doesn't. You're wrong, again.

By the way, we now know who you are and where you work, Mr. Rational. So, you might want to be careful about your comments. Because we also know your employer's code of conduct.

Blogger Lovekraft June 11, 2017 1:38 PM  

Christianity has that fatal flaw in that the self is to be shunned and humility required to put others needs before ourselves. Mix in a lot of globalism/Africa focus, and the average western Christian is effectively neutralized from advancing his own interests.

Is it an oxymoron: a Christian alt-right organization?

Anonymous Battlefrog June 11, 2017 1:44 PM  

I really hope the alt-right successfully co-opts the rainbow flag. That would be absolutely amazing.

Blogger Yarnwinder June 11, 2017 1:48 PM  

You mentioned earlier co-opting SJW symbols and making them our own. This is a good start.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 11, 2017 1:48 PM  

@31 Lovekraft

Only the Hippie-Commie Jesus heresy assumes that. If you don't believe that heresy, there's no problem. Your first issue, then, is that you have a false understanding of Christ, the Christian life and God.

Blogger Skyler the Weird June 11, 2017 1:50 PM  

They have been trying to converge for some time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/23/southern-baptist-convention-racial-diversity_n_6738568.html

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 1:51 PM  

VD wrote:No, it doesn't. You're wrong, again.
That faith tends to replace thinking in general?  Nice knee-jerk reaction.  When you're taking flak, you're over the target.

By the way, we now know who you are and where you work, Mr. Rational. So, you might want to be careful about your comments. Because we also know your employer's code of conduct.
I literally laughed out loud at this.  I almost begged you to go ahead and "out" me, but I like reading this blog and I would rather that you not screw yourself over by doing something stupid and aiming the Dread Ilk at some innocent party.  That would be uncool.

You're interesting even when you're dead wrong... maybe because you are from time to time.  And I have to admit that I am almost certainly the same.  But I don't go around threatening people when they say I'm acting like a leftist.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 11, 2017 1:51 PM  

@24 Deep Thought

Christianity is only in decline because significant parts of the Church was converged well over a century ago. Things can come back quickly. It's a deep fallacy to assume things can't change.

Blogger dienw June 11, 2017 1:53 PM  

One of God's criticisms of the false religion of Samaria created by Ephraim and the other Northern Israelites was that for priests they raised up low men not appointed by God. Modern Christianity - really after the apostles - suffers from the same criticism; only occasionally does God raise up men of His Own choosing.

With a new Christian being able to so clearly see better than the "elders," we may be seeing God raising up His own servants to lead where the false can not.

May he raise up many many more.

Anonymous Al Faranj June 11, 2017 1:59 PM  

I never realized that laughter and ridicule were considered 'flak'.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 11, 2017 2:02 PM  

I posted this as a reply on the author's page:

"Your critique is greatly weakened by your own misrepresentation of white nationalism. Most white nationalists are supportive of what you call omninationalism (I like the term, by the way). We are comfortable with sovereignty and self-determination for all peoples, white or not.

While we support sovereignty for individual white nations - Norway for the Norwegians, France for the French - we also see ourselves as part of a broader racial & cultural bloc, just as there are other civilizational blocs that transcend national boundaries (the Islamic world, black Africa, etc.) Nations exist within these broader blocs of kindred peoples.

For obvious reasons, future sovereign white nations must have a meaningful level of solidarity with one another. We can't afford the catastrophic petty nationalism of the past, which resulted in everything from disastrous brother wars to misguided imperial adventures in the Third World. White nationalism is not your grandfather's nationalism - it is a refined version that grasps the racial realities which prevail across the planet. In a world with a rising Asia & Third World more broadly, failure to cooperate with and support our racial cousins is the path to subjugation and eventual extinction. We no longer live in a world where we can tear away at one another while expecting the non-white world to remain listless and passive."

Anonymous DissidentRight June 11, 2017 2:06 PM  

The solution is to fight. Do what Vox says. Speak the truth without fear. Speak the Truth without fear.

You don’t need to sperg out or go on a sermon about cucking and white genocde. That’s probably counterproductive. Learn some effective rhetoric. Stick to small stuff. Challenge people on wife-worship. Ask people how there can be a “Judeo-Christian” heritage when the Talmud was written centuries after Christ. Question why we import “refugees” who build mosques while our own churches crumble. Most people have never even considered any of this. If you have existing relationships with people, capitalize on their trust.

Winning is possible. The LCMS laity defeated the heretics† at our seminary in 1973. And we defeated them again†† in the church government 2010. Is the LCMS perfect? Hardly. It is full of cucks? Absolutely. But it is possible to win at the institutional level.

† Basically resurrection-denying atheists
††In full disclosure, in the LCMS, the current main branch of heretics are the people who want to adopt more non-denominational/evangelical/Baptist-type theology and practices. No offense!

The Darkstream about maintaining mission continuity in a succession is extremely important. Institutional inertia is an advantage here, because even if you get one bad leader or a string of bad leaders (this happened in the LCMS), there is a limit to how fast they can spread the poison. And if a correcting force comes into power, it is that much easier for them to return the institution to its original mission when they can go back and cite founding documents (e.g., the Book of Concord).

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 11, 2017 2:06 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:
Christianity has that fatal flaw in that the self is to be shunned and humility required to put others needs before ourselves. Mix in a lot of globalism/Africa focus, and the average western Christian is effectively neutralized from advancing his own interests.

Is it an oxymoron: a Christian alt-right organization?


This is a fairly common point made about Christianity from the non-Christian parts of the Alt-right. When Spencer was actually running a blog I encountered it often - especially from those writing from places like the UK and Western Europe where the institutional church is completely converged enemy territory. The flaw in the argument is that it ignores history. The Christianity of 500 years ago was not this way, nor was the Christianity of 250 years ago. Heresies go back all the way to the beginning of course but they were ultimately expelled.

One of the greatest problems of the present age is a refusal to formally excommuniate those who preach them - like Beelzebubba, McKissic, etc. The only excommunications going on now are of those who refuse to bend the knee to the new, improved Jesus (Judeo Chirst, sometimes Golden Dindu) or arrove the new gospel (equality über alles, as written in Galatians 3:28). Just because things are this way now does not mean they well remain so.

Anonymous Ain June 11, 2017 2:09 PM  

I like how the rainbow meme re-appropriates God's promise.

Blogger Weouro June 11, 2017 2:10 PM  

Speaking of taking back the rainbow I had an idea, a gay white pride parade, gay obviously meaning carefree and happy, not homosexual, basically a fun white pride event. Good idea or bad idea?

Anonymous Ain June 11, 2017 2:13 PM  

Only if they dress like it's the gay 90's.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 11, 2017 2:15 PM  

Does God hate white people and their nations, or is this just the SJW who abuse the Lord's word?

Blogger J A Baker June 11, 2017 2:17 PM  

Trump eases Johnson Amemdent on churches political expression and this is the first thing SBC chooses to do with their newfound freedoms? Seems very ironic.

Blogger J A Baker June 11, 2017 2:20 PM  

On second thought it makes perfect sense, with the Johnson Amendment restrictions eased, the converged SBC had to act fast so as to prevent local pastors from preaching about sovereignty.

Blogger J A Baker June 11, 2017 2:25 PM  

And with the restrictions of the Johnson Amendemnt eased it will be interesting to watch how SBC and other Christian organizations begin and continue to police their own churches' political expression in the coming days.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 11, 2017 2:34 PM  

Note: I do not endorse White Nationalism because it is an incoherent model, seeing as there is no such thing as the "White Nation". White Supremacy is also dumb, primarily because the differences between the white nations are too substantive and broad to categorize

I wouldn't call that cucking, or virtue signalling, or firing to the right. It's more like... an unnecessary concession. And not entirely correct.

PA

Anonymous Wyrd June 11, 2017 2:35 PM  

"Anyway, BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT PEPE KEKISM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE BLOOD OF NORMIES UPON AN ALTAR OF LULZ REEEEEEEEE!!!"

Peeing my pants, Kekestina-brutha.

Anonymous HenryB June 11, 2017 2:37 PM  

Why does Vox link to idiots???

Blogger kurt9 June 11, 2017 2:38 PM  

The Alt-Right represents the rainbow of nations created by God.

Different countries for different people. Who'd have thunk it?!

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 2:43 PM  

@39  Threatening someone's employment is more than ridicule.

I laughed because I would never in a million years work for SJWs who'd try to impose a "Code of Conduct" on my activities outside of work.  At least I had the grace to tell Vox not to dump on some uninvolved third party who he thinks is me, on the likelihood that said third party is not actually an SJW who deserved it.  (Why he's trying to track me down for making skeptical remarks about religion and the like is suddenly a very interesting question, no?)

The real irony is that I'm on Vox's side against SJWs, and I have a number of irons in the fire regarding a converged organization I was once part of.  I've made a four-figure commitment of money and time already.  But note when a militant Christian has committed the same type of faux pas that they despise in leftists, and all that goes out the window.

I could go on, but it's a hot lazy afternoon here and I'm ready for a snooze.  I should have been cross-checking the numbers for my patent idea instead of posting here anyway.  These things are easy to screw up, so painstaking care is required; you can fool yourself (hi again Vox!) but you can't fool Nature.

@41  But apparently you can't speak truths that certain believers don't want to hear.  This is becoming as true of the right as of SJWs (the list is vastly shorter on the right, though ironically the two lists overlap in some major areas).

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 2:44 PM  

Bottom line... you won't do shit about your so-called threat, asshole. I will sleep well tonight. I bet you won't.

Anonymous Dave June 11, 2017 2:45 PM  

Perhaps instead of trying to revive and un-cuck Christianity, we should explore Native American religions. Especially that one where brown people are held down on a stone slab while the priest cuts out their beating hearts. All hail Huitzilopochtli!

Blogger Farnswords June 11, 2017 2:45 PM  

@11, ZhukovG

@Farnswords: With respect sir, the Holy Spirit is the bringer of revival and so neither the SBC or RCC are beyond hope. While I pray the that the Holy Spirit brings it to the RCC, I will welcome it anywhere.

Thank you, Zhukov; you are right about the source. But Christ taught us to look for the signs of the time we are in, and when I look at the Pope and the leadership of these huge traditional denominations, all I see is spiritual decay and submission to the world. When I look at many churches that have abandoned these traditions in search of something more, I am starting to see life and light.

But I could very well be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time the Spirit showed life where it wasn't expected to be. Your point is perfect, which is that we follow his lead, not the other way around. Revival may end up coming from a different part of the world entirely. The only thing I am certain of is that it will happen, and I hope it happens in my beloved country.

Blogger RobertT June 11, 2017 2:47 PM  

dyscivic

Sean Dillon, What does "dyscivic" mean? I tried googling it and...
deathchrist2000.tumblr.com/post/.../what-does-dyscivic-mean-i-tried-googling-it-and
It's very possibly a word invented by Vox Day. Basically, inherently antagonistic to (”western”) civilization. Used more or less exclusively for the purpose of racism ...

congrats on coming up with another word, but ... they are twisting your philosophy. Anyone can figure out what discivic means, and it obviously has nothing to do with racism.

Blogger The Kurgan June 11, 2017 2:49 PM  

Go sede privationist and start prosletysing

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2017 2:54 PM  

HenryB wrote:Why does Vox link to idiots???
Well, he lets you comment here, so he must not have an animus against idiots.

Anonymous Colorado Confederate June 11, 2017 2:56 PM  

I grew up in the SBC, at a time when the great Adrian Rogers was in charge. It was wonderful: pulpit-pounding King James preaching, "Thus say-eth dah LAWD!", old-fashioned hymns sung with the Spirit.

This was before the "Purpose Driven" Rick Warrenization of the SBC; followed, perhaps not coincidentally, by the Russell Moore/W.D. McKissic extreme virtue-signaling as exemplified in the post.

I now go to an independent (heavy ties to BJU) Baptist church. While I love my pastor and the people, I find it eminently boring and technical in contrast to the Bible-thumping of my childhood...

Blogger The Kurgan June 11, 2017 3:03 PM  

Not at all. You just need to read some actual history. I suggest The Crusades, by Harold Lamb. It's one of the best books I have ever read. And clearly reminds you that protecting yourself from murderous, slanderous, insane freaks is not just doable, but a duty.
Being a Christian means being very willing to lop off heads as required to protect yourself, your family and your nation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2017 3:04 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:The real irony is that I'm on Vox's side against SJWs, and I have a number of irons in the fire regarding a converged organization I was once part of. 
Admit it, you self-imporant jerk. You hate us and given the power, you'd have every Christian who refused to submit to you killed. It's been obvious in your comments for months if not years.

Anonymous crushlimbraw June 11, 2017 3:07 PM  

"The Alt-Right represents the rainbow of nations created by God." - a track to run on!

Anonymous johnc June 11, 2017 3:10 PM  

The left is very good at recognizing the importance of institutional powers in a civilization, and taking the reins of them to steer the culture.

People on the right are going to have to take back their institutions.

Anonymous johnc June 11, 2017 3:15 PM  

BTW the pride / rainbow flag has now been given two new colors (black and brown) to show solidarity with POC; and these new colors have been, of course, placed at the top of the flag.

Anonymous Rodrigo Duterte June 11, 2017 3:18 PM  

I think I spotted the problem...

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright June 11, 2017 3:35 PM  

Rainbows for the Alt-Right amuses me. Go for it, guys! Reclaim the rainbow!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 11, 2017 3:46 PM  

The visiting elder today preached against the idols railed against in the Galatians letter, the Gnosticism John preaches against in 1 John, etc. He used as an example a famous, unknown basketball player who is idolized by millions, yet calls a press conference when he loses a game and complains about how oppressed he is, and how the world is racist against him.

The visiting elder also carries a 1911.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 11, 2017 3:49 PM  

It's great being a Primitive Baptist, ain't it ?

Anonymous Looking Glass June 11, 2017 3:52 PM  

@62 The Kurgan

One of the most damaging heresies that's cropped in over the last several hundred years among the Church is that "hard Men" are acting evil when carrying out the needs of being hard. The most beloved of the Lord laid armies in ruin before them all throughout the Old Testament, and, as if to drive the point home, the Son returns leading the very armies of Heaven in conquest.

Psalm 24 7-10 (ESV):

Lift up your heads, O gates!
And be lifted up, O ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.
Who is this King of glory?
The LORD, strong and mighty,
the LORD, mighty in battle!
Lift up your heads, O gates!
And lift them up, O ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.
Who is this King of glory?
The LORD of hosts,
he is the King of glory! Selah

Yet the church is infested with wimps who flee at the slight confrontation.


As to the Rainbow, it's the sign of a truce between the Lord and Humans. Co-opting it back to the deadly symbol it is could be very useful.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 11, 2017 3:58 PM  

Mosby, it sure is. The elder lives in South Georgia, but is from San Antonio. He lives 40 miles north of Florida.

Blogger VD June 11, 2017 4:05 PM  

I laughed because I would never in a million years work for SJWs who'd try to impose a "Code of Conduct" on my activities outside of work. At least I had the grace to tell Vox not to dump on some uninvolved third party who he thinks is me, on the likelihood that said third party is not actually an SJW who deserved it. (Why he's trying to track me down for making skeptical remarks about religion and the like is suddenly a very interesting question, no?)

I'm not doing anything, Mr. Rational. I actually pay very little attention to the comments. But as a result of the criminal activity of several previous trolls that has resulted in multiple police calls, the sitemasters now make a regular practice of tracking all commenters who engage in trolling. You are a regular atheist troll, so you were tracked. I don't even tell them who to track, they make their own judgment calls on the basis of their own observations.

It is mere happenstance that your identity was recently confirmed. Now, you haven't done anything wrong, but then, neither had previous trolls before their behavior got out of control. I simply thought that you might like to know that your anonymity had been penetrated. No one is going to doxx you or anything; you have done nothing wrong. But, you would be wise to resist any temptation to up the ante of your trolling to the point that you violate the cyberstalking laws of your legal jurisdiction.

I don't know why you would do that. But then, I don't know why you think it worth your while to troll here in the first place.

Bottom line... you won't do shit about your so-called threat, asshole. I will sleep well tonight. I bet you won't.

See, that's really not the way you want to bet. The previous trolls who had police show up at their door said almost exactly the same thing. Don't double down on gamma, my dear atheist. If nothing else, it will get you banned and spammed. But no one is threatening you. I don't even know who you are myself; I didn't bother to ask the sitemasters when they told me they'd made you.

Before you engage in further bluster, you should probably recall that it took the VFM all of 57 minutes to provide me with a complete data profile of an anonymous fake reviewer on Amazon with all of three reviews. We have some excellent data people in the VFM, you see.

Blogger Sean Carnegie June 11, 2017 4:24 PM  

Y'all are a bit late to the SBC's downgrade. One can trace the downgrade therein by their election of the past 4 or 5 presidents. From Johnny Armani to Page "Let's admit Muslims to a seminary" Patterson and the AA hire Fred Luter, the SBC has been sliding downhill for years.

Now, throw in the BLM resolution a while back with this and the IMB being a corrupt organization and you'll see why SBC admission, baptism and donation numbers have declined noticeably.

Blogger J A Baker June 11, 2017 4:27 PM  

Bernie Sanders might as well be the president of the SBC lol

Blogger Publius June 11, 2017 4:27 PM  

Colorado Confederate wrote:I grew up in the SBC, at a time when the great Adrian Rogers was in charge. It was wonderful: pulpit-pounding King James preaching, "Thus say-eth dah LAWD!", old-fashioned hymns sung with the Spirit.

This was before the "Purpose Driven" Rick Warrenization of the SBC; followed, perhaps not coincidentally, by the Russell Moore/W.D. McKissic extreme virtue-signaling as exemplified in the post.

I now go to an independent (heavy ties to BJU) Baptist church. While I love my pastor and the people, I find it eminently boring and technical in contrast to the Bible-thumping of my childhood...


Try one of the IFB churches that are to the right of BJU. I grew up (and remain) in IFB churches that view BJU as dangerously unorthodox in areas of the Bible and making increasing compromises towards moderation.

My pastor (church of about 70-80 people) preaches hellfire and damnation from the pulpit every week, would give you the shirt off of his back if you needed it, keeps his family (six kids) in line, tells us to test everything he says and if it ever varies from the Bible...get rid of him.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 11, 2017 4:31 PM  

36. Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 1:51 PM
But I don't go around threatening people when they say I'm acting like a leftist.




amusingly, Vox didn't threaten to DO anything.

so, what is it that you're planning to do, Mr. Rational, that you think a Code of Conduct might be a problem?

Anonymous Colorado Confederate June 11, 2017 4:47 PM  

@76 Thank you, Publius. It isn't so much unorthodoxy as it is dry, note-taking tedium of so many BJU-associated pulpits. You have heard how Dr. so-an-so make the Bible "come alive", I'll show you a few who can take a soul-stirring passage and make it seem as dessicated as the southern Sierras.

Some Hyles-Anerson churches are good. However, they are all structured like miniature personality cults, even when the pastor is himself decent and humble.

May the Lord bless your pastor

Anonymous AT June 11, 2017 5:00 PM  

What therefore God hath put asunder, let not man join together.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 11, 2017 5:01 PM  

Mr. Rational, the Kurt Eichenwald of Vox Popoli?

discuss.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 11, 2017 5:06 PM  

I love the idea of appropriating the rainbow flag to our purposes. I hereby declare once again: "Enough of the homo! #takebacktherainbow!"

Blogger liberranter June 11, 2017 5:35 PM  

I've only been a Christian for about 9 months. Within those months, I have hopped around Central Virginia trying to find a church which is not Social Justice Converged nor lacking in truthful scriptural backing.

Here's the deal, young brother: if you're seeking that in an organization that owns its own property (or rents it from others), brands itself with a corporate name (e.g., First Rock of Salvation Assembly of South Podunk), and hires a full-time professional nursemaid (a.k.a. "pastor") to do all the Christianity for its members who can't be bothered to do it for themselves, then you are wasting time and energy in what will be a fruitless search.

1. Seek out those of like mind and faith who are tired of the omnipresent converged churchianity that has all but replaced the real faith here in Amerika.

2. Meet regularly --daily, if you have to-- even if its virtually and just for a few minutes each day. This is part of the reason why the Faith is so weak today. "Christians" are almost NEVER there for each other today when Satan attacks, they seldom ever form the bonds of spiritual brotherhood that were so essential to the success of the early church, and also do not steep each other in the Word (Apologetics is something almost no established church engages in today).

3. When you gather with others, focus on prayer, the Word, and your own Spiritual nutrition. Without a steady diet of both prayer and the Word, you are useless as a servant of Christ to others (see my previous reference to Apologetics). THIS is the primary reason why today's "incorporated" churches are so useless, even harmful, and such failures at evangelism.

TL;DR version: YOU are the church's future, young brother. The fact that you felt so moved to write what you did is probably a sign that God is calling you, of fresh and newly purified blood, to lead. Pray constantly and seek His guidance.

Blogger Nick S June 11, 2017 5:40 PM  

Never trust a church with 501(c)3 status. Churches are not required to seek the exemption. Doing so is what compells compliance with the Johnson Amendment and other cuckifying bric-a-brac.

Anonymous Jewy Jewster June 11, 2017 5:45 PM  

"you'd have every Christian who refused to submit to you killed."

Why have them killed when their useful idiocy makes them so helpful. I mean, they just keep sinking so deep into idiocy they provide secularists with such easy targets. Keep'em around I say.

Anonymous Trainspotter June 11, 2017 5:48 PM  

For what it's worth, in my exchange on the author's blog, he revealed that he is of Turkish descent. That may (or may not) explain his seeming hostility to white nationalism. In any event, most of his criticisms of white nationalism are clumsy and unsound.

Not always, but often in life where you stand depends on where you sit. To me, this looks like a case of that.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 6:00 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Bottom line... you won't do shit about your so-called threat, asshole.
For the record, I did not post that comment.  Your sitemasters should have told you that even if your eyes didn't tell you straight off that it was out of character for me.

Widely Headgash wrote:Admit it, you self-imporant jerk. You hate us and given the power, you'd have every Christian who refused to submit to you killed. It's been obvious in your comments for months if not years.
Always willing to provide proof that MPAI.  Such generosity of spirit!

VD wrote:You are a regular atheist troll, so you were tracked.
I'm not trolling, I'm engaged in dialectic 80% of the time.  Why you can't tell the difference I don't know.  I save my trolling for a certain bunch of hard-leftards (and the rhetoric I learned here has been of GREAT use in that effort).

I did do a cross-check, though.  If you know who I am you have at least two and as many as five ways to contact me outside this blog, four of which are private.  I've received no contacts today from you or any of your proxies through any of them.  You haven't even used the one I've mentioned here.

It is mere happenstance that your identity was recently confirmed.
The details of the claim you posted prove that you're mistaken.  It would be like some guy threatening to blackmail you with pictures of you screwing your daughter's pet goat.  (I bet you laughed.)

I hope I saved some poor guy from being the target of misdirected ire.  I'm setting up to go toe-to-toe with a bunch of SJWs; I don't need someone coming after me trying to prove that he's not me.

I don't know why you think it worth your while to troll here in the first place.
I started reading odd posts from you when you got pointed out at Pharyngula (back when I still read Pharyngula, which I don't think I've looked at in 10 years), but what got me to follow you seriously is that you're on SBPDL's blogroll.  Further, you should be able to tell the difference between trolling and one's solemn duty.

Name too damn long wrote:Vox didn't threaten to DO anything.
You're saying "we also know your employer's code of conduct" isn't a threat?

Which is why it's funny.  If my employer had a code of conduct it would be "because fuck you, that's why."

Blogger Theodore Brave June 11, 2017 6:24 PM  

And I also responded to it on my page.

Blogger VD June 11, 2017 6:33 PM  

For the record, I did not post that comment. Your sitemasters should have told you that even if your eyes didn't tell you straight off that it was out of character for me.

I didn't ask them anything. I haven't spoken with any of them. I did think it was out of your usual character, but then, it was very much in keeping with the way gammas react when they are criticized or called out.

I'm not trolling, I'm engaged in dialectic 80% of the time. Why you can't tell the difference I don't know.

You're not engaged in dialectic. And your rhetoric is pretty reliably predictable. Almost every comment you make is designed to provoke a reaction, you merely cloak your rhetoric in pseudo-dialectic. Look, we know you are here to attack Christian belief and posture about rational materialism. You are a one-subject troll, but fortunately, you're not a monomaniac or overly obsessive.

As I said, you've done nothing wrong. No one is coming after you. But you should not deceive yourself about what you are doing here as a commenter. I'm glad you feel you're getting something out of it as a reader. That's great. But I, or any other longtime reader, can easily predict when you're going to pop up as a commenter.

Don't worry about oblique statements that could be interpreted as threats. They're not. You've been here long enough to know that I enjoy calling my shots.

Blogger Theodore Brave June 11, 2017 6:34 PM  

Take a look at a political spectrum.
Look to the right wing of it
Look to the very edge of that right wing
Now take a pen and extend the line a couple miles out. That's where you will find me

Blogger Theodore Brave June 11, 2017 6:35 PM  

MPAI.

Blogger Theodore Brave June 11, 2017 6:44 PM  

Acknowledged. Good advice. It is exactly what I have been doing.

Blogger Theodore Brave June 11, 2017 6:48 PM  

Bahaha. I am also a former Muslim.
I can only infer that you believe the founding fathers of America were loyal to the English and so that is why they did not revolt.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 11, 2017 7:23 PM  

Gamma gonna Gamma

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2017 7:31 PM  

Theodore Brave wrote:Now take a pen and extend the line a couple miles out. That's where you will find me
Commie Pinko fag.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 11, 2017 9:18 PM  

86. Mr. Rational June 11, 2017 6:00 PM
You're saying "we also know your employer's code of conduct" isn't a threat?



IF you're not violating the CoC
THEN there is no threat to be made.

you claim the CoC doesn't even exist. but then, everyone who's been outed on the internet claims that "nobody done knows nuttin about who i am", right up until they get fired.

frankly, it amuses me that you think a CoC is a threat anyways.

any company which has a CoC is hardly going to be interested in accusations of violation from an internationally known RSHD.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 11, 2017 9:32 PM  

Regardless of the referenced analysis, plus Vox's Darkstreams, there are no explicit injunctions in the New Testament to defend the Church via the Righteous War of a Church Militant. The only alternative is a lengthy exegesis, which is both too convoluted, too lengthy, and too far removed from Scripture for most people to really believe with the fervent desire necessary for war.

The consequences will not be good.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable June 11, 2017 10:37 PM  

Hmm... perhaps I should start wandering again?

As I have said before, my solution is a Beer & Bible Study at a nearby brewpub, with a willing friend. Matthew 18:20 and all that.

Blogger Matthew June 11, 2017 10:45 PM  

Andrew, please to be taking your meds.

Blogger Matthew June 11, 2017 10:46 PM  

Mr. Rational,

Everyone here hates you and thinks you're basically Denise from Twin Peaks.

Go swan about in close atheist order somewhere else.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable June 11, 2017 11:00 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:The only alternative is a lengthy exegesis, which is both too convoluted, too lengthy, and too far removed from Scripture for most people to really believe with the fervent desire necessary for war.

Joel 3 + Matthew 26, or rather the other way around. Deus Vult!

Blogger Elder Son June 11, 2017 11:43 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Theodore Brave wrote:Now take a pen and extend the line a couple miles out. That's where you will find me

Commie Pinko fag.


Only an idiot like you would entirely miss what he was conveying.

Anonymous Urban II June 11, 2017 11:48 PM  

We should make the rainbow alt right flag our Facebook profile in support of degenerate pride month, just as Facebook wants us to.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2017 11:51 PM  

Elder Son wrote:Only an idiot like you would entirely miss what he was conveying.
And only a moron would miss entirely what I was saying.

Blogger Evil Genius June 12, 2017 3:11 AM  

Nations rise and nations fall. New ones appears and other disappear. Others merge even and become new nations.

But nations will exist until the end of time. Tis is his will. The God of all Mankind.

Blogger Koanic June 12, 2017 3:18 AM  

White Nationalism just means whites can have nations too.

Nobody is trying to flood China with Africans.

Blogger Koanic June 12, 2017 3:38 AM  

I am not an omni-nationalist because that position contradicts the clear Old and New Testament sanctions on legitimate empires, from Persia to Rome. They have their allotted span, just like tribes and nations.

Blogger republicanmother June 12, 2017 8:23 AM  

I live near the epicenter of SBC Central. It is interesting to note that about 100 years ago, the Missionary Bapstists in this area declared the Convention Baptists to be apostates. The Missionary and General Baptists are organized by local associations and some in this area date back to around 1800. The SBC had a problem with missing missionary funds as far back as 1917.

Anyway, I've been studying this thing for about 10 years now, and I think they are in decline because of the 1-2 punch of Purpose Diven Mega Church Mania followed up with the deep-DEEP theology of Calvinism. So the simple-minded little church folks of the 1990s bought this new highly-recommended book study by Rick Warren promising to bolster the Great Commission, and in the process sucked the life of of mid-sized churches.

I was a member of such that was a tiny church when I arrived on the scene, but had been doing alright until another pastor used all manner of manipulation to take 50 people from the church and move them to his, so he could say they were growing and God was doing great things. So at the end of that, you had one humongous church in the area and lots of tiny, demoralized churches.

After everyone realizes that the Mega Church shows aren't very spiritually satisfying, the restlessness sets in. Here comes the opposite, anti-thesis, Lordship Salvation/ Calvinism-but they won't call it that. Now you can listen to these platonic Christians rattle on and on about the Reformation and Puritans, and feel like your doing something deep. In the process, these Neo-Calvinists will further try to take your church down the mainline avenue of ecumenicism, which we all should know is preparation for the Antichrist religion. John Piper and Rick Warren are all buddy-buddy with the Catholics.

If they had just left it alone with Adrian Rogers KJV preaching, hymns, and '70s wood paneling, they'd be a lot better off right now. But that doesn't rake in millions and millions of dollars for the Lifeway Corporation, does it? They have and are deliberately destroying Southern Culture.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 12, 2017 5:22 PM  

There are loads of crap churches and they are all poisoning the well of the faith.

A good friend of mine we'll call him Dave relayed this story

Dave is good friends at the time with the volunteer security head call of a small congregation , police officer call him Kyle .

One day Kyle is carping to his friend about trouble they are having with a lock so Dave being an expert locksmith and good Christian offers to help fix free it even though he is not a congregation member

Kyle touched accepts brings him over and Dave fixes it right up.

Kyle introduces him to the minister, well call him Lucien

Kyle "Hi, this is my good friend and fellow Christian Dave, he volunteered to fix our lock problem."

Lucien , literal words "What is that sweaty laborer doing here."

Dave shocked says nothing

Kyle "Excuse me?" He goes to talk to the minister and within a few minutes apologizes to Dave. A few days later he quits that church and is unchurched for along time , eventually finding a Mega Church to join.

Dave just keeps on being a good Christian, the faith didn't lose him but the church did


Now I don't know about y'all, my response to such charity would have been "Thank you, can I get you something to drink. " Than followed up with "Do you have a church. If not our services are on Sunday at X time, please come and join us." as you'd get a new congregation member with a big heart and skills

But nope, Dave is a working man so he is useless.


The hell of it, its not rare at least here in California and the whole prosperity gospel heresy has eaten huge chunks of the Faith almost as much as convergence

Being a Christian is hard work, requires sacrifice but it gives you on Earth a community of believers and if true, eternal life in Heaven .

Right now though, no one wants to pay the actual costs for civilization in wages, in effort, in self control and that attitude (not that its new c.f slavery) is going to wreck the West

We don't have and aren't getting frontiers, that manes the real costs of civilization are higher. we may not like it but if we don't pay them , we are screwed,

And note we aren't paying them, I was in Utah not long ago and heading back on the Long 15 there are basically no open Rest Stop in California and its produce control while lights on is Potemkin and unmanned

Funny though Utah though poorer has plenty (some State, some Private/Government partnership) Nevada awash in Casinos has them too.

Anonymous Nibiru June 12, 2017 9:47 PM  

FWIW A seventh point may be added to the list. Their pastoral ranks are filling up with Freemasons more and more.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 12, 2017 11:03 PM  

VD wrote:I did think it was out of your usual character, but then, it was very much in keeping with the way gammas react when they are criticized or called out.
And writing a long, cool and amused piece to follow it up with something inflammatory is what, exactly?  (A sure-fire sign of a shit-stirrer jumping in.  Dunno how you missed that.)

Watching you stick to your guns on this just proves the point I was making obliquely in @27:  when you have faith that claims CERTAINTY, you lose the habit of thinking.  This is something that all seriously dogmatic people I've encountered have in common.  It lets little mistakes grow up to be huge ones.

You're not engaged in dialectic. And your rhetoric is pretty reliably predictable. Almost every comment you make is designed to provoke a reaction
I post things like that to let people know that there are viewpoints outside the echo chamber; they can choose to react or not.  Your implied threat demonstrates butthurt.

we know you are here to attack Christian belief and posture about rational materialism.
Wrong.  I'm here to counter certain dogmatic theocratic tendencies I find threatening (and have since the "Moral Majority").  This ain't my first rodeo.  It ain't even my hundredth.

You are a one-subject troll, but fortunately, you're not a monomaniac or overly obsessive.
Shows how much attention you've been paying.  I regularly go on at length on at least two other subjects completely unrelated to Christianity (but evidence vs. dogma is still the over-arching theme).

Tell you what, let's make a bet.  If you think you've found me at my place of employment, contact me there and name my employer.  You have until 16:00 GMT Wednesday June 14.  (No cheating and siccing the ilk or VFM on the problem at this late date; I'm not even using Tor to hide my tracks.)  If you catch me, you win and I'll buy and read TIA.  Catching a third party, whether or not they've ever typed "Mr. Rational" into the name box on this blog, doesn't count.

If you have not contacted me by then, you lose and I will get in touch with you.  If you lose, you send me 3 signed hardcover sets of "A Throne of Bones" and "A Sea of Skulls", at least one of which I will use as a door prize for an event I'm doing next year if I receive it in time.  Further, if I manage to get one or more SJWs run off either by police or by immediate force at this event, you donate half the cost of the venue to my fledgling organization.  If I manage to have one or more SJWS arrested and/or criminally charged, you donate the full venue cost (about €1000) which is otherwise coming out of my pocket.  If I'm forced to cancel by reason of health, contract interference or other force majeure, you owe nothing.

Everything for a good cause, eh?

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 12, 2017 11:05 PM  

NTDL wrote:IF you're not violating the CoC

THEN there is no threat to be made.

Even more so if it doesn't exist.  Which is why I laughed so hard.

Matthew wrote:Everyone here hates you and thinks you're basically Denise from Twin Peaks.
"Tell people something they know already and they will thank you for it.  Tell them something new and they will hate you for it."

Comes with the territory.  As for SJWs, oderint dum metuant.

Blogger IreneAthena June 13, 2017 2:20 AM  

I wish that, to the extent that gay-ness is a big issue among U.S. Christians NOW, had been the misdeeds of the Deep State done in our name abroad (fer God 'n' country! my country right or wrong!) for the past several decades. When I get to fretting about how the church will survive the current schisms, I am heartened by remembering that the Spirit has moved amongst people all along the spectrum of opinion in much more seriously divisive crises. The Civil War.(Is slavery OK?) The Westward Expansion. (Is what we're doing to Indians Ok?) The Revolutionary War.(Is going against the Divine Right of Kings OK?)

A propos de rien...Mr.Rational, coming back for more...of...whatever.
I am an outsider in these parts (not a troll, I hope), but I stop by from time to time, and I when I do, Mr.Rational is always here, doing his thang.
I understand how VD would want to reduce static on his own blog.
I also have the sense that Mr.Rational argues because he subconsciously hopes to be convinced that God exists. That's certainly not my place, but maybe it's someone else's place.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 14, 2017 3:45 PM  

The time for the bet has expired and neither Vox nor any of his agents have contacted me.

I called his bluff, and he folded.

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