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Thursday, June 29, 2017

Spare him the fainting couches

Kurt Schlichter is done with the bow-tied crowd and their principled conservatism:
I think it was mildly amusing that some loud right-wingers spent a minute disrupting a bunch of New York liberals’ conservative murder porn party.

There, I said it. And now, according to some people on the conservative side, I’m not a conservative anymore.

Oh. Well, if conservatism has morphed into a human centipede of onanistic purity-signaling, then you fussy guardians of the word can have it.

Now, there is a coherent and reasonable argument that hitting back liberals with a taste of their own medicine – that is, inflicting upon them a microscopic fraction of what they have spent decades inflicting upon us – is a bad idea. People I respect and who are friends adhere to this view. I’ve listened to their opinions – because they have earned my attention – and they are wrong....

First, the “If it’s wrong for them to do it to us, then it’s wrong if we do it to them” formulation is less a principle than a tired cliché. This minor disruption was a tactic; shouting was a tool. It is moral for the good guys – and we are the good guys – to use tactics and tools against an enemy that are immoral when they do it. It was immoral for the Nazis to bomb London; it was moral for us to bomb Nazis. Of course every tactic and tool is not acceptable, but the guys who stormed Omaha Beach did not “become what they were fighting” because they used the same tools and tactics as the enemy.

Second, this sort of performance art is so harmless that the cost/benefit calculus weighs in favor of tolerating such occasional inconveniences. That’s not to say we should not impose higher costs on them – we disapprove of the firing of people for what they say, but Kathy Griffin’s defenestration was a sacrifice worth making to demonstrate the costs of liberal misbehavior. This is crucial. They must pay a cost for establishing their new rules.

Call it retribution or punishment or just payback, but causing pain to wrongdoers is a conservative principle we seem to have forgotten. The left needs to feel the pain that comes from their choices. If they want a world where people suffer for speaking, well, I prefer they didn’t, but I damn well know that if that’s the new rule, their side is going to get it shoved down their throat.
Welcome to the Alt-Lite. It's a step in the right direction. What Alt Lite culture warriors like Jack Posobiec, Mike Cernovich, and James O'Keefe are doing matters. And shaking off the self-imposed shackles of "conservative principles" is the first step towards actually engaging the enemy.

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Anonymous damntull June 29, 2017 4:03 PM  

Looks like Kurt read your blog, or at least your twitter feed.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 4:03 PM  

Kurt Schlichter may not need fainting couches, but his previous peers will. Doubtless they will exclaim how extreme Kurt is becoming in his views.

What they call extreme, we call lite. They're fluffy dough boys without any weight to their thoughts.

Blogger DeploraBard June 29, 2017 4:07 PM  

Or weights in their homes

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl June 29, 2017 4:12 PM  

I like it when folks realize that often times, you've got to punch the bully in the nose or they won't stop.

For the on-the-fencers (empricist liberals who just need a good knock of sense), stuff like disrupting the play is good because it shows that the Left are just mendacious aristocrats. They cry "FREE SPEECH" when they get disrupted, but are quick to punch and throw acid at people walking near an event.

First, they think the Left are just hypocrites, but this denotes an inkling of ignorance. Then they realize the Left are just little Berias and Lysenkos - happy to crush the plebs for a bit of power.

Kudos to Schlichter.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 4:14 PM  

Back in the day, when most of you were still being raised by your boomer parents, parenting 'experts' called this "logical consequences".
If it's okay for you to do it, it's okay for me to do it.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl June 29, 2017 4:14 PM  

OR: I am absolutely aghast guys. We must not sacrifice our principles to the bullies on the Left! When they urinate on us, we must ask for more to show how much better we are than them!

/sarc because someone might take that seriously...

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2017 4:15 PM  

That little display was quite restrained, too. Saul Alinsky it was not.
People standing up one by one shouting TREASON! would be less restrained. There are even less restrained options.

Welcome to the Alt-Lite.

Yes.

Blogger Mr. Excitement June 29, 2017 4:16 PM  

Not considering myself a Conservative anymore is very liberating.

Nobody wants to be on the eternal losing team.

Which is my theory as to why so many people consider themselves Liberals, especially celebrities and public figures:

Who wants to be on the losing team that gets smeared all the time, and your own team never backs you up?

Say what you will about the Left, but they are lockstep loyal to each other when it comes to fighting the Right.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl June 29, 2017 4:17 PM  

@5 Snidely Whiplash

I admit, I have boomer (early boomer) parents. Country folk though, which helps a bit, and I lived, basically, in the woods.

Logical consequences are a very very real thing.

Like wearing a meat suit to a lion's cage...

Blogger tuberman June 29, 2017 4:23 PM  

7. A Deplorable

"That little display was quite restrained, too. Saul Alinsky it was not. "People standing up one by one shouting TREASON!"

But, if people stood up and shouted TREASON, it would include the bow tie crowd. Gravy train feeders and Right wing pedos know what they do.

Blogger Rabbi B June 29, 2017 4:24 PM  

The left needs to feel the pain that comes from their choices

They do not speak peaceably, but devise false accusations against those who live quietly in the land. (cf. Psalm 35)

We are not militant. We are peaceable and peace-loving. But when, while simply minding our own business, we are ruthlessly attacked for no other reason than the simple fact that the Left senses a threat latent in us which contradicts their power, we will not only fight, but we will take the fight to them if need be.

This is a Biblical principle. With the notable exception of expelling the Canaanites out of the land beginning under Joshua, Israel's subsequent wars would be primarily defensive in nature. If Israel was attacked, Israel was permitted, even commanded, to take the fight to every city of the nation that had attacked her.

We're not the ones picking these fights, but we are certainly determined to finish them. Most of us just want to be left alone. We're busy, busy building and ennobling everything to which we put our hands; but that doesn't mean we don't have a sword strapped to our side which we are not afraid to use if we have to.

(cf. Nehemiah 4 and 6)

https://www.menofthewest.net/amalek-and-the-left/

Blogger wrf3 June 29, 2017 4:29 PM  

On the one hand, there must be "tit for tat". On the other hand, "tit" must be administered by a neutral third party, otherwise it spirals out of control. Our government has stopped punishing wrongdoers. The solution is not to take matters into our own hands, but to get the government to do its job.

Furthermore, we must purge Gandhi's idiotic saying "an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind" from the public sphere. The point of this adage is that the punishment must fit the crime.

Lady Justice wears a blindfold, carries a scale, and wields a sword. But she's also shackled with an ankle monitor and isn't allowed out anymore.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 29, 2017 4:32 PM  

Kurt is important as a bellweather. He's from the War Fighter Class of the Right, and, with how much he's shifted on Trump, it's really important to keep an eye on it. The rolling coup on the Right proceeds apace.

He was a Conservative in good standing until recently. Though it was his twitter dust up with John Podhoretz that might be more important. Taking shots at an ideology for being a chickenhawk is pretty important.

Anonymous CarpeOro June 29, 2017 4:34 PM  

Considering how the reaction of the previous administration regarding a similar play would have involved, the Secret Service, IRS, and FBI investigations into all affiliated with it I'd say Trump has been the model of restraint. Not to mention the media would have been calling for all the alphabet agencies to go after the perpetrators. Trump needs to drain the swamp from the Deep State and people of conscience need to support those standing up to the authoritarians of the Left.

Blogger L. Beau June 29, 2017 4:37 PM  

But, but... muh conservative PRINCE-PULLS!

Blogger dc.sunsets June 29, 2017 4:38 PM  

What man, while growing up in society with peers, did not learn that tolerance for a bully's punches simply amplified their frequency?

You're hit?
Bide. Your. Time.
Then hit back so hard they never forget their mistake in targeting you.

Shove it down their throats? Try another orifice, and make sure shards of glass or jagged metal edges are involved.

The time for restraint is over. Teach the rabbits who is predator and whom is prey.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 4:46 PM  

What man, while growing up in society with peers, did not learn that tolerance for a bully's punches simply amplified their frequency?

Those who grew up so coddled and protected that they never had to deal with anything of the sort themselves. If they were ever punched by a bully, an adult jumped in to handle it -- especially to make sure they didn't punch back -- and they still think that's how it should work.

Anonymous BluePony June 29, 2017 4:46 PM  

The WWII analogy was a good one to use on the cucks. Nice job.

Anonymous BBGKB June 29, 2017 4:47 PM  

Kurt Schlichter may not need fainting couches, but his previous peers will.

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it shows that the Left are just mendacious aristocrats. They cry "FREE SPEECH" when they get disrupted, but are quick to punch

Coalition of fringes releases statement about jews kicked out of queer march:

"YAY for Palestine! Boo for Israel!"

http://www.towleroad.com/2017/06/chicago-dyke-march/

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2017 4:48 PM  

@10

But, if people stood up and shouted TREASON, it would include the bow tie crowd.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Blogger Salt June 29, 2017 4:52 PM  

Remember when liberals were crowing they'd won the culture war? They haven't even begun experiencing what they actually won.

Anonymous RCFlyer June 29, 2017 4:54 PM  

I read Kurt's fiction books about the breakup of the USA - "People's Republic" and "Indian Country". I thought they were quite good, reminded me of "Victoria".

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 29, 2017 4:56 PM  

Congrats to Schlichter. Paradigm shifts are so uncomfortable to most people that they'd rather continue on in forced ignorance. He has chosen to accept reality. Good for him.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 4:57 PM  

wrf3 wrote:The solution is not to take matters into our own hands, but to get the government to do its job.
That would be nice if the gov were capable of being a neutral third party. They are no longer so, if theyever were. They have actively joined the fight on the other side. What you're asking, in effect, is for the other side to neutrally punish their own partisans, and not to punish ours.

This is futile and pointless.

Blogger Sam Lively June 29, 2017 5:03 PM  

Conservatism is dividing along fight/flight reflexes.

Blogger Feather Blade June 29, 2017 5:06 PM  

"If you kill him you will be just like him!" is a really obnoxious trope in storytelling.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 5:07 PM  

Feather Blade wrote:"If you kill him you will be just like him!" is a really obnoxious trope in storytelling.


Far more real, and far more defensible is "If it's okay for him to kill ours, it is okay for us to kill his."

Blogger wrf3 June 29, 2017 5:08 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:This is futile and pointless.

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Blogger dc.sunsets June 29, 2017 5:08 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:What man, while growing up in society with peers, did not learn that tolerance for a bully's punches simply amplified their frequency?

Those who grew up so coddled and protected that they never had to deal with anything of the sort themselves. If they were ever punched by a bully, an adult jumped in to handle it -- especially to make sure they didn't punch back -- and they still think that's how it should work.


Valid point. Even 15 years ago kids were told that both the hitter and the hittee would be punished whenever an altercation occurred on school grounds. I advised my sons to avoid conflict where possible (they were quite literally told that if it wasn't worth killing someone, it wasn't worth fighting, but if it was worth fighting, then Be Decisive) but also backed them on the rare occasion that they were faced with what I honestly believed was unprovoked aggression. Do the crime, do the time, even when the "crime" is simply behaving like a man.

We live in a bifurcating age. On the one hand, we're told to ONLY leave conflict management to the "experts." On the other hand, concealed carry of guns is growing rapidly.

George Zimmerman was castigated for shooting a larger, stronger proto-adult who was beating him mercilessly, for no justifiable reason. The lesson here should be STARK: If you behave as a barbarian, you will be ENDED.

The path ahead is one of EXPELLING from civilization those who cannot or will not behave in a civilized fashion. Expulsion is currently piecemeal (Trayvon Martin-style.) I strongly suspect that it will eventually become wholesale.

Think 77 grain OTM 5.56 in quantity. That and JHPs for pistols.
http://dtic.mil/ndia/2008/Intl/Roberts.pdf

Blogger dc.sunsets June 29, 2017 5:10 PM  

@28
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken
US editor (1880 - 1956)

Blogger tz June 29, 2017 5:12 PM  

Remember VP Pence and his family when the CAST of Hamilton stopped the play to deride him?

Blogger Rabbi B June 29, 2017 5:13 PM  

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

And just how was this fine piece of rhetoric eventually given full expression? Oh, that's right, there was a war.

Anonymous JJ June 29, 2017 5:15 PM  

No joke, this kind of thing is really encouraging to see, even if it's just a first step in the right direction. Trump is motivating people to throw of the shackles of genteel loserdom, and to actually get out there and fight and not back down when the other side points and sputters.

Some people scoff at anyone who isn't already 100% alt right shitlord material, but that's a terrible attitude. We want to win people to our side, and we should encourage people who move in that direction even if they still have a ways to go.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 5:17 PM  

@19. BBGKB
BGS's Bariatric Feinting Couches and Lightly Clutched Pearls is having a sale.

A feinting couch? What, they'll try to lie down and it won't really be there?

Blogger wrf3 June 29, 2017 5:20 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:And just how was this fine piece of rhetoric eventually given full expression? Oh, that's right, there was a war.
That's one way to do it, certainly. Sometimes it works (the American Revolution), sometimes it doesn't (the Civil War).

Is that the only way to do it?

Blogger Rabbi B June 29, 2017 5:24 PM  

Is that the only way to do it?

Ultimately, yes. God’s direction of history will inevitably mean war against Amalek, and all those animated by his spirit, until the end of the age.

We're in this fight whether we've asked for it or not.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker June 29, 2017 5:26 PM  

It's getting harder and harder for Conservative poseurs to pose. Stay ornery!

Blogger Rick T June 29, 2017 5:28 PM  

Genteel looserdom (thank you JJ) goes all the way back to the famous WFB vs. Gore Vidal spat back in 68.

WFB talked a mean game but did nothing. He should have gotten up and decked Vidal right then and there, then let the faggot sue for assault.

A sign that the NRO crowd would be noisily ineffective over the years until they beclowned themselves over Trump.

Blogger Elocutioner June 29, 2017 5:32 PM  

"Teach the rabbits who is predator and whom is prey."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHAiIq-Yeo

Kurt has been slowly drifting right and may well be a bell-weather.

Blogger wrf3 June 29, 2017 5:33 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:We're in this fight whether we've asked for it or not.
If your motto is "Jesus is Lord", then you've specifically asked for it.

Blogger Chris Lutz June 29, 2017 5:41 PM  

@13 I listened to Schlichter on a podcast about a year ago. He was honest in saying that he came to realize globalism, free trade, and mass immigration weren't working for a lot of people. He was great for his class but large segments of the country were getting pounded and it was time to change course. He also mentioned that the Left so far has been lucky that the "deplorables" were just voting their interests because they could get a lot more nasty. Plus he blasted the neocons for starting wars but never winning them.

OpenID markstoval June 29, 2017 5:45 PM  

Many decades ago, I realized that hard-core libertarianism was the only rational political philosophy. Note that we believe in the Non Aggression Principle. Many people think that makes us pacifists. No, that means we believe we don't start the aggression but we finish it.

Leftists preach and believe in totalitarian government which is an aggression against the individual and against the family unit. Their belief system has already aggressed against me; hence we are at war. Simple as that.

By the way, I am not sure that we boomer anarcho-capitalists are supposed to comment here, but don't worry --- I'll not do it often. :-)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 29, 2017 5:47 PM  

The NRO crowd could not get a sniff of Mika, Alpha Supremo has her leaving snail trails all about the MSNBC office space, Maddow enraged.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 29, 2017 5:52 PM  

"Many decades ago, I realized that hard-core libertarianism was the only rational political philosophy."

It's just more utopian nonsense. Whoever enforces the contracts is the de facto government.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 29, 2017 5:55 PM  

" I realized that hard-core libertarianism was the only rational political philosophy."

That's all it's good for, rationalizing political philosophy. In practice in requires a population and global environment made out of Unicorns painted with rainbow colored unobtanium paint.

Suffers from ism-itis.

Blogger Chris Lutz June 29, 2017 5:58 PM  

@42 Libertarianism and Communism would both work except people are involved. Utopianism is a fools goal.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 29, 2017 5:58 PM  

"By the way, I am not sure that we boomer anarcho-capitalists are supposed to comment here, but don't worry --- I'll not do it often. :-)"

Comment away, but if you just sperg mono-manic libertarian themes expect to be mocked, ignored, or spammed. My recommendation is to read the past few days threads all the way through, with all the comments, and maybe a few of the links first.

P.S not my blog, just trying to be helpful, if you try hard you might cure me of that inclination.

Blogger Thucydides June 29, 2017 6:00 PM  

Victor Davis Hanson outlined this principle in his book: "The Soul of Battle" (https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Battle-Ancient-Liberators-Vanquished/dp/0385720599/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8), outlining how Epaminondas, Sherman and Patton took their war machines right into the heart of the enemy and (to the best of their ability) took the war to the enemy population which supported and profited from the war.

So "inconveniencing" them a bit is nibbling at the edges, what we need is to march into the heart of Laconia, tear the heart out of Georgia or rapidly encircle and displace the enemy positions and collapse them.

Alt-right, Alt-west and Alt-light are the troops, and we are getting leaders ranging from Vox to Milo to President Trump, all that is lacking, in my opinion, is generating the critical mass of people to carry the battle right into their heartland.

I see this as critical. In Canada, the "heartland" is too sparsely populated to be able to mount a really sustained serious challenge to the political, academic and bureaucratic class (and these people know it, which explains their determination to push truly insane numbers of unassimilatable people into the immigration system in the name of "diversity" and "inclusiveness").

So my American friends, your activism must include recruiting as many people as possible and trying to trigger the preference cascade which will sweep the Old Regime away.

OpenID markstoval June 29, 2017 6:01 PM  

"It's just more utopian nonsense. Whoever enforces the contracts is the de facto government."

The State (your "government") has a monopoly on the legal use of force in a given area. In an anarchy, there is no monopoly State. So, believe as you will --- but you have not thought this through.

Try this historical example: https://markstoval.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/1000-years-of-irish-anarchy/

So, not a "utopian" idea after all.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 6:23 PM  

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary...
Cool story, bro, but it's got dick-all to do with what I said,unless by "get the gov to do it's job" you mean "kill the bastards".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2017 6:29 PM  

@49
How many Han Chinese or sub Sarahan Africans or Arabs were present in Eire during those years? Something close to Libertopia might be able to exist in an isolated area populated entirely by Hajnal line peoples.

Libertopia is self cancelling. Even L. Neil Smith now finally has turned against open borders.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 6:32 PM  

So, not a "utopian" idea after all.
Do you know anything of actual Irish history? Like the fact that there was a heriditary ruling class that was free to kill commoners at their pleasure? That the testimony of a noble was counted as equal to the testimony of 4 commoners? That the primary form of competition, both economic and social, was cattle raiding, aka military theft?
Whatever else Ireland was, it was merely the opposite of a libertarian utopia, as all anarchic societies, of necessity become.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 29, 2017 6:36 PM  

@49 Not only have I thought this through, but so has every other ex-lolbertarian here.

OpenID markstoval June 29, 2017 6:45 PM  

@51

Well, at the time Ireland was one of the most advanced societies on the planet. Be that as it may, the idea is "what does the State (government) do better than the laissez-faire free market"?

Most people who are not socialists will grant that the market provides much better solutions than the State. Consider the monopoly phone company AT&T in 1970 vs. phone service today. The smart phone revolution would not have come from "Ma Bell".

Why do people agree that the market is better most of the time but insist that the State is needed to provide defense and law? Private companies competing with each other can't provide protection?

I will grant all here that as one who first read this blog about 11 years ago and have read on and off since -- I know that most here are not going to believe in a society without a ruling State. Than is OK with me, I am not going to try to change anyone's mind.


@ Patrick Kelly

Thanks for the kind words, but don't worry about me. I started talking politics on Usenet many years ago and a few people "mocking" me will not hurt my feelings. Besides, I am not an evangelist pushing a belief. If you want to worship the State --- be my guest. I believe in "rules, but no rulers" but understand that most do not see it that way.

Murray Rothbard did more to advance libertarianism than anyone and he was always a "happy warrior" who kept a good attitude. I hope I emulate him.

Anonymous BJNDKMN June 29, 2017 6:52 PM  

"Call it retribution or punishment or just payback, but causing pain to wrongdoers is a conservative principle we seem to have forgotten."

I love those words. Beautiful.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2017 6:58 PM  

@54
Why do people agree that the market is better most of the time but insist that the State is needed to provide defense and law? Private companies competing with each other can't provide protection?

The 1970's called, you have to go back. Seriously. Did you fall asleep after voting for Roger McBride and just open your eyes last week? A lot of real science has shown over the last 40 years that tabula rasa is just false.

I know that most here are not going to believe in a society without a ruling State.

If you actually knew anything about people here, you'd know better than to write that foolish sentence.

Than is OK with me, I am not going to try to change anyone's mind.

Well, then, what's your point? You do understand there are a number of former liberteens here?

Blogger Tom Terrific June 29, 2017 7:02 PM  

"If we use their tactics we become them" is what I like to call, "1970s Hollywood Morality". And it was truly SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS all the time I was growing up!

The hero would endure an hour (rarely more if on T.V.; that was episodic television after all) of the bad guy destroying his life, perhaps even KILLING his dog - or his partner. Yet throughout the show he was warned if he killed the Bad Guy he'd be "just like him".

If he used the same TACTICS, he would become Just Like Him.

Bullshit. And the writers knew it was bullshit. So they always contrived to have the Bad Guy take one last shot at the Good Guy, justifying the Good Guy's killing him DEAD! (See Lethal Weapon. Not a television show but 70s shows were totally forgettable.)

Blogger Weouro June 29, 2017 7:22 PM  

In the words of Anton Chigur, personification of fate, "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"

Blogger William Meisheid June 29, 2017 7:30 PM  

markstoval wrote:@51

I believe in "rules, but no rulers" but understand that most do not see it that way.


Who makes the rules and who enforces them in your scenario?

Blogger James Dixon June 29, 2017 7:40 PM  

On the one hand, there must be "tit for tat". On the other hand, "tit" must be administered by a neutral third party, otherwise it spirals out of control.

What neutral third party would you recommend? At the moment there isn't one.

> Our government has stopped punishing wrongdoers. The solution is not to take matters into our own hands, but to get the government to do its job.

You're welcome to try. Some of us have been for along time now.

As for me, I've realized that's a fools game. And if that's the case, vigilante justice is the only option for justice left.

> Is that the only way to do it?

Trump is the peaceful option. If he fails then yes, that will be the only way to do it.

Anonymous Jeff June 29, 2017 7:55 PM  

Speaking of Jack Pesobiac, he just tweeted this about Kate's Law:

"YOU
HAVE
TO
GO
BACK"

Not bad for an Alt-Liter.

Blogger Kek's SS Guard June 29, 2017 7:57 PM  

We didn't start this war (yes people, this is a war! Theu are actively working against a legally elected President and the laws of this land), but we will end it!

Anonymous Gingas June 29, 2017 8:13 PM  

"Principle is okay up to a certain point, but principle doesn't do any good if you lose." - Dick Cheney

Anonymous FP June 29, 2017 8:17 PM  

Oh no, President Trump called out a media tramp, what ever shall we do? Erik Ericson chimes in on twitter with an 11 point opus:

"11. Last point: if you think you have to abandon civility to beat the other side, the other side has already won and you’re their slave."

Says the cuck dancing to the left's tune, screaming I'm not a transgenderphobe!

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 8:31 PM  

What if we don't have to "abandon civility" to win, but doing so just makes it more fun? Does that also make us slaves to the Dark Side of the Force?

What pathetic losers. Literally.

Anonymous BluePony June 29, 2017 8:39 PM  

"Yet throughout the show he was warned if he killed the Bad Guy he'd be "just like him"."

Even as a kid I felt for every person killed by a villain after Batman caught them once, that blood was on Bruce Wayne's hands.

I think there's a thirst for vengeance and just plain old killing bad guys out there. The response to the Punisher on Daredevil season 2 was so positive they're doing a separate Punisher season.

Blogger roughcoat June 29, 2017 8:46 PM  

Tom Terrific wrote:"If we use their tactics we become them" is what I like to call, "1970s Hollywood Morality". And it was truly SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS all the time I was growing up!

The hero would endure an hour (rarely more if on T.V.; that was episodic television after all) of the bad guy destroying his life, perhaps even KILLING his dog - or his partner. Yet throughout the show he was warned if he killed the Bad Guy he'd be "just like him".

If he used the same TACTICS, he would become Just Like Him.


That's the major reason why I don't like Batman. How many people were harmed in the DC universe because Batman is usually too much of a pussy to kill the bad guys?

I have little patience when people IRL trot out the idea that certain actions and techniques are always morally wrong. It's either disingenuous and designed to manipulate, or spectacularly naive.

Blogger Lazarus June 29, 2017 9:20 PM  

What was the major lesson of Saving Private Ryan?

They should have killed their prisoner, that's what.

(((Who))) directed it?

Anonymous MPC June 29, 2017 9:21 PM  

"The cuckservatives come out of the woodwork again, eager to take any shot at the President they can. Speaking of shots, they seem to be much more outraged about this than they were when their colleagues were actually shot a few weeks ago...."

"I have been laughing about this all day - Trump roasting beloved Washington fixtures and watching all the (((usual suspects))) come out of the woodworks to feign outrage. There's a sense of resignation now though, because they know Trump will get away scot free and the rest of the country tacitly approves of their public humiliation...."

https://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8496-the-donald-trump-presidential-archive/page__st__26300

Blogger John Bradley June 29, 2017 9:58 PM  

Listening to Molyneux' interview with James O'Keefe while reading this thread.

O'Keefe: "The Republicans, if they're smart... the only thing they need to do is ignore what the media says about them. And I don't believe they have the moral courage to do it. [...] You need moral courage. You need to be able to say 'I don't believe you, and I don't care what you say about me.' [...] You can't be governed by the media's shame. Let's not be governed by the shame, let's punch back harder, let's understand that if we believe in what we're doing, let's continue to do it."

Not bad for another Alt-Lite guy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 10:52 PM  

if you think you have to abandon civility to beat the other side, the other side has already won and you’re their slave."
If the enemy knows you will NEVER abandon civility, all they have to do is out-incivility you. Erickson's standard (and it is a standard, not a principle) guarantees you will lose. You may as well volunteer to be their slave, because that is the inevitable result.

Anonymous J. McClane June 30, 2017 12:13 AM  

Welcome to the party, pal.

Blogger Valtandor Nought June 30, 2017 1:06 AM  

Civility and self-restraint are really about ensuring that when both parties appear before the judge, the civil and restrained one has clean hands.

This is only worth bothering with if you expect to face a judge who is just, no respecter of persons, and powerful enough to compel either or both parties to carry out his judgement. Neither the media nor the populace are such a judge.

Also, if you have a list of acts or omissions that you would rather surrender than do, if you hope to ever be able to win, that list must be short, physically difficult for your enemies to invoke, and preferably secret. Don't assume, for example, that if your list of verboten things includes "putting children in danger", your enemies will baulk at using their own children as human shields in a battle against you. And certainly, a refusal to engage in mere disorderly conduct will be taken advantage of to the full by your opponents.

Blogger bobby June 30, 2017 3:07 AM  

"A feinting couch? What, they'll try to lie down and it won't really be there?"

Serious threads with lots of wisdom and experience need breaks that allow us to relax and laugh. We can think more clearly when we do this regularly.

That's just one of the reasons why this was so good.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 30, 2017 4:32 AM  

@70

Yes, James is doing great work.

The republicans are people who *crave* the respect of their enemies. It's a debilitating illness because it is impossible to ever satisfy this craving.

The media and the democrats are running scared precisely *because* the new right do not share this craving. We actively revel in their contempt. We welcome it. We seek it. Not only do we consider it necessary and a badge of honour, we spurn those who do not merit it.

They have no answer to this; they've never had to face it before.

Anonymous JAG June 30, 2017 5:02 AM  

Sam Lively wrote:Conservatism is dividing along fight/flight reflexes.

Good point. Although Conservatism Inc. has been perfectly happy with flight mode for the last century half a century at least. Times are changing. The basketball version of the Washington Generals is no more. I'd like to see the conservative/rino version disappear right along with it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 30, 2017 8:12 AM  

Do you like winning? You may also like the Alt-Right.

Anonymous MPC June 30, 2017 8:28 AM  

Schlichter's an interesting case study. In one year he's gone from edgy boomer conservadad Cruz supporter to all but volunteering to serve in the Trumpenbrigades in the upcoming civil war. His column space that isn't devoted to insulting liberals is used to rip on cucks. He uses his own neologisms to describe them (Fredocons, conservagimps), but it's obvious to whom he's referring. He spends all day on twitter blasting shitlibs as viciously as any alt-right account, but if anybody insults Jews, Israel, or a particular Jew it's like a switch flips and he goes into neocon mode for a few hours.

It's like his body is still processing the red pill.

Blogger Cloudbuster June 30, 2017 11:18 AM  

Tom Terrific wrote:"If we use their tactics we become them"

That didn't disappear after the 70s. It's alive and well in most TV shows I see. It infuriates me. One of the few shows that didn't succumb to it was Firefly -- which spawned an in-joke between my oldest and me. We call them "'Kick 'em through the engine intake' moments."

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2017 11:23 AM  

This is why I don't bash the alt-lite too much. Most of them are in a progression of being redpilled. You don't take the whole bottle of pills at one time (well, most don't). Let logic continue working within them and they will eventually make their way through to the other side.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2017 11:25 AM  

Here is another. 19 yr old who became redpilled over the election.
http://redpilledworld.blogspot.com/2017/04/why-i-became-conservative-overnight.html

Blogger Kauf Buch June 30, 2017 3:50 PM  

Please name ONE THING in Schlichter's article that you consider "alt-lite."

Blogger tz June 30, 2017 4:40 PM  

Meanwhile Politico traces the history of the antifa and its epicenter to lily white Portland, Oregon

And the rose city antifa is apparently going to fight an alt-right gathering friday afternoon.

Blogger TechyWorker July 01, 2017 9:22 PM  

I can recall exchanging tweets directly with Kurt and frankly had forgotten about him. I never would have expected him to come along this far. Need to check into his stuff again.

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