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Thursday, June 15, 2017

The SBC virtue-signals

The Southern Baptist Convention decided not to go full cuck, and instead passed a watered-down version of their attack on nationalism, limiting it to a condemnation of "racism" and "alt-right white supremacy". Of course, the virtue-signalers are too ignorant and too dishonest to even address the Alt-Right directly, but contented themselves with the usual anti-racist posturing.

Joe Carter, who knows better because he specifically references me, tries to limit the Alt-Right to "white identity", which is obviously false because the Alt-Right harbors significant appeal to every race and nation that wishes to survive the onslaught of multiculturalism and globalism.
What is the alt-right?

The alt-right—short for “alternative right”—is an umbrella term for a host of disparate nationalist and populist groups associated with the white identity cause/movement. The term brings together white supremacists (e.g., neo-Nazis), religious racialists (e.g., Kinists), neo-pagans (e.g., Heathenry), internet trolls (e.g., 4chan’s /pol/), and others enamored with white identity and racialism.
Given that he openly refers to me as "an alt-right leader", it's a little strange to claim that a Red Indian who argues that there is no such thing as a "white nation" should lead a "movement" that is "white identity". Granted, the term "associated" provides broad leeway in a dialectical regard, but the rhetorical thrust is clear: "the alt-right is bad white racists".

And, of course, they can't even understand why we harbor such disdain for them, even as they spew falsehoods about us:
Why does the alt-right hate conservative Christians?

As many conservative Christians on social media can attest, the alt-right seems to have a particular disdain for gospel-centered Christianity. (For examples see here, here, here, and here.) Some on the alt-right (such as Vox Day) claim that Christianity is a “foundational pillar” of the movement. But what they mean by Christianity is often a heretical form (Day rejects the Trinity) a racialized version of the faith (e.g., the Kinist movement), or “religion as culture” (Spencer says he is both an atheist and a “culture Christian.”). The true religion of the alt-right is white identitarianism, which is why the SBC accurately considers it an “anti-gospel” movement.
We don't hate conservative Christians, we simply reject them as potential allies because they are useless failures inclined to do more harm than good to the nations. Their Christianity is cucked, and therefore dying; it won't be long before they embrace female pastors and honoring loving relationships between consenting adults of any of the 57 genders. Their conservatism hasn't even conserved the tradition of using the toilet. And their globalism makes them anti-American, anti-Western, and therefore our enemy.

We're not choosing America, the West, and the white race over Jesus Christ, we're choosing them over the churchians and their dubious claim to speak for Jesus Christ.

The Southern Baptist Convention and conservative Christians are making the same fundamental error that the progressives do: they believe that Jesus Christ's kingdom is of this world and must be established by them. But at least the progressives are sufficiently self-aware to recognize that they are anti-American and anti-white. It's going to be hilarious to see the SBC cucks tripping over themselves to denounce their own anti-semitism once they realize that their anti-white, anti-American denunciation applies equally well to Zionism and the Jewish self-concept of being a Chosen People.

The SBC is about to learn what Hillary Clinton did last year. The Alt-Right is inevitable and the Alt-Right is true. And I'm glad to be able to say that I am no longer associated in any way with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Damien Michael has written a more substantive rebuttal here:
This is why it’s impossible to follow Christ and be a white nationalist: How can we claim to be sons and daughters of Jesus while separating ourselves from our brothers and sisters?

Because, again, God did so at the Tower of Babel. Additionally, the New Testament assumes the existence of different tribes and nations. Furthermore, all of Christianity for the past two thousand years thought it perfectly sensible to separate themselves into different ethnic, cultural, and racial groups, and the Christians of yesteryear were no less Christian than we are. Perhaps we should learn from their example, instead of thinking ourselves to be superior. Finally, this above point also fails analogically. After all, when I go to my house after Church, I separate myself from my fellow Christians, and yet I am no less Christian for it. By the same token, ethnic groups can have their own figurative homes in their own countries, and yet be unified in the greater idea of Christendom. And there is nothing anti-Christian about such an idea.

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Anonymous JAG June 15, 2017 5:16 AM  

For a bunch of so called Christians they sure do need their boogeymen, and two minutes hate. That's ok, though. I prefer to play against the Washington Generals than on their team. Time for the elastic on the ball, and bucket of confetti to make them look like the fools they are.

Blogger Samuel Nock June 15, 2017 5:21 AM  

There's a specter haunting Europe, the specter of Kinism...

Blogger kh123 June 15, 2017 5:34 AM  

Do they remember when the term "anti" was zealously applied by the media to their stance on abortion every night on the news? You know, to rhetorically paint Christians as just a bunch of pent up Footloose prudes who couldn't hang with freedom of choice, and had to be against women for whatever imagined and ignorant outmoded reasons.

It'd be a shame if those upstanding good losers for the JC were to adopt rhetorical tactics used by the godless Left for decades. I guess Egypt was just too tempting to resist.

Blogger JACIII June 15, 2017 5:39 AM  

Disgusting cucks.

You can sum up the article with, "I went to colllege and learned, without question, everything I was told. See how well I can regurgitate it? Look at the pretty colors!"
Joe Carter - A liar's liar - Adjunct Prof. of Journalism

Blogger Chris McCullough June 15, 2017 5:39 AM  

I hope my church doesn't ally with these losers any more.

Blogger Sam June 15, 2017 5:43 AM  

The best part is the examples of the Alt-Right having a disdain for "gospel-centered Christianity." You'd think they'd be talking about the pagans, the atheists, the 'religious functionalism' crowd. Nope, it is Christians calling them cucks- their complaint is members of the alt-right say mean things about them.

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"it won't be long before they embrace female pastors and honoring loving relationships between consenting adults of any of the 57 genders. "

https://www.rt.com/viral/392304-three-men-marry-colombia/

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 15, 2017 5:44 AM  

Again: this is the kind of thing that makes me lose such empathy for the enemy that I have no quarrel, intellectual, with destroying them in every way possible to the point Vlad Tepes would look like a saint in comparison.

Anonymous Rocklea June 15, 2017 5:47 AM  

Give Joe Carter his props, he links directly to the 16 points.

Blogger Lovekraft June 15, 2017 5:52 AM  

So tired of the African, native, LGBT and feminism-focused outreach. It's become a pathological obsession with leftists with the recent added overt anti-white male messaging.

OT but found this on gateway pundit via reddit (re leftist media flipflopping):

https://imgur.com/a/c1RnG#yxrAzJr

Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 5:56 AM  

Congratulations to the Southern Baptist Convention! You've made the list!

Proverbs 6:16-19New International Version (NIV)

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 15, 2017 5:56 AM  

@6

Against my better judgement, I read the comment section for a bit. The responses gave me hope in humnanity for a split second... until I read this stock, libertardian BS almost as bad as trite and cliche 'innocent people in Iraq getting bombed,' or 'fighting them over there so we don't have to over here.'

"Here's an idea. If you don't think a man should marry a man... then don't marry a man."

"Since this made me so angry, the only response I could come up with immediately was: How in the hell are you so stupid that you don't realize yet how this affects not just him, but you, me, and other people by this point? The slippery slope isn't just real, it's the size of olympus mons by now, and the bigger reality is, this only going to end in the horrible slaughter of lots of stupid, misguided people, you yourself included."

However, since this libertardian pissant probably thinks himself smart by being so terse with his response, I think this needs a more pithy, to the punch kind of response, don't you?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 15, 2017 6:02 AM  

"humnanity"

Well, my spelling certainly given me any hope in me.

Blogger John XR June 15, 2017 6:07 AM  

Vox - I think I haven't been to church in a decade. I would show up if you were pastor at church of Kek though. Maybe some online sermons from you and then hopefully copycats will get the idea and I could see one of them live.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 15, 2017 6:09 AM  

@13

Hasn't! My spelling certainly HASN'T given me any hope in me!

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 15, 2017 6:10 AM  

@13

Why get a copycat when we have the real thing right in Milan?

Anonymous VFM0265 June 15, 2017 6:10 AM  

I have been lurking here for years, and occasionally commenting, but in all that time, I have NEVER heard Vox Day denounce, nay-say, or in any way deny the Holy Trinity of God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit. Vox is not a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, like most who attempt to deny the Trinity. These people are a special kind of wolf in sheep's clothing.

Blogger Desiderius June 15, 2017 6:12 AM  

JAG wrote:For a bunch of so called Christians they sure do need their boogeymen, and two minutes hate. That's ok, though. I prefer to play against the Washington Generals than on their team. Time for the elastic on the ball, and bucket of confetti to make them look like the fools they are.

"...At a prewar diplomatic conference, the Nazi Foreign Minister Ribbentrop 'sniffed' to Eden and Churchill that if there was another war, the Italians would be on Germany's side!
To which Churchill supposedly replied: 'that seems only fair, we had them last time!'..."

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2017 6:19 AM  

the Pope recently said we have to accept science's big bang and evolution. We cannot believe in a Magical God.

That's should be enough for every Catholic to slam the door behind them.

Any Baptist that advances a multi cultic approach to God, should also see your back side receding at a rapid and accelerating pace.

Vox, these churchians in league with MSM, CNN, BBC, etc will one day sooner than later be remembered along the same lines as Vichy collaborators..

Blood at the London Bridge. It's on their hands as well.

Blogger Nathan June 15, 2017 6:26 AM  

Is he right about your position on the Trinity?

Blogger Wild Ape June 15, 2017 6:29 AM  

Those steering the SBC have no idea what hell they have made for their followers and they won't feel responsible for the souls they have just handed over to Lucifer.

I was a Lutheran in the Evangelical Synod years ago when it was a growing and thriving community before it was cucked. They had these same changes that the SBC are beginning because it always starts with diversity with Christians. Diversity is the gap in the armor because it commands the knee jerk response of Christian kindness. The SBC will twist the words of the Bible into a beat stick that bludgeons their followers into submission and accept all the coming changes. For a time the Lutheran church I went to increased enrollment and gave them all the illusion that their faith in God's work was not mistaken. They had expanded from two to three services for a time but it did not last. Years later when I went by to visit old friends they could barely seat a single service. The only faces that remained were the old benefactors who grew up in the church. No children, no families, just the old folk which were slowly being bled dry. This is what awaits the SBC.

An empty church is the least of the follower's worries. Finding a new church home is never fun because your church friends will be scattered. My family had to routinely endure this because we were in the military and moved quite a bit. What Christians rarely understand, based on my experience of moving around, is that the greatest asset the church has is their community of people. God is a given. When searching for a new church home you won't find a clone of your old one before the cancer set in. As you are going about from place to place it is very easy to spot the churches that you know are not a right fit. There is always trouble when you are new at a church because you are the new blood and you may be warming a pew but that doesn't mean that you are a part of the church yet. The worst part is the isolation and that is where the SBC will lose a lot of souls. They will have done the Devil's work. Not every Christian can take isolation in this world which is constantly bombarded with division. Some places do not have a fit for every person that leaves the SBC. They will be left without the reinforcement of a community.

The reason I left the Lutheran ES was because of this same one-globalist-church who ruthlessly destroys any one they deem a heretic for speaking against their cock eyed liberalism yet quake in fear of the Muslims and demand tolerance of the barbarians. No. Destroy the SJW. Fight them as though your soul and other souls depended on it.


Blogger Stilicho June 15, 2017 6:31 AM  

I thought the SBC would reject that ridiculous piece of leftist dindu feelz outright rather than trying to push it through incrementally like this. They are further gone than I realized. The SBC is going full MLK. Never go full MLK.

Next up, SBC mudsharking: mandatory or just a rite of passage for Baptist girls? Somebody attach a turbine to Jerry Falwell and solve the energy crisis.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. June 15, 2017 6:31 AM  

I hereby condemn Nutella.

I've never eaten it, never even held an actual jar of it, by I hear it's icky.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 6:32 AM  

Is he right about your position on the Trinity?

Close enough not to quibble. I subscribe to the original Nicene Creed, not the Constantinian Creed which is often, and incorrectly, substituted for it. I'm not militant, I'm merely very dubious about the concept of the Trinity as I have noted its inconsistency with other conventional Christian theology.

And if I stand alone with Isaac Newton against a whole horde of theologians, well, I'm entirely comfortable with that. If you search the blog, you'll find my perspective.

Blogger Sam June 15, 2017 6:32 AM  

@11
Dialectic
polygamy is a big part of the reason why the Middle East is such a terrible place. Polygamy->cousin marriage->inbreeding->dumber then bricks

Rhetoric
neither is pedastry and statute of limitations are a cultural construct like marriage

Blogger Damian Michael June 15, 2017 6:32 AM  

For anyone who is interested, here is another fisking of that 'Gospel Coalition' article:

https://damianmichael.com/2017/06/15/what-christians-should-really-know-about-the-alt-right/

And here is a taste of it...

First, consider this quote from the section of the article titled “How should Christians respond to the alt-right?”:

[Quote] At the core of the alt-right movement is idolatry—the idol of “whiteness.” In building their identity on shared genetic traits the alt-right divides humanity and leads people away from the only source of true identity: Jesus Christ. [Unquote]

This is absurdity on its face. First, God Himself divided humanity at the Tower of Babel and pushed humans into different nationalities, so there is nothing “ungodly” about doing so. Second, God made certain individuals “white”; so again, there is nothing “ungodly” about recognizing this fact. Third, the alt-right does not have an idol of ‘whiteness’; rather, it recognizes the simple fact that whites, or whites of different ethnicities, have the right to exist in their own nation-states unmolested by other groups—which is precisely the same right that other groups currently enjoy around the world. Fourth, just because the alt-right builds an identity in part on one aspect of their being does not necessarily divide humanity or lead people away from Christ, just as a group of male monks who build their identity, in part, around being male, does not divide humanity or lead them away from Christ. And finally fifth, building an identity on ethnic and/or racial lines does not necessarily lead people away from Christ; for example, in Christendom, there were many people of many different ethnicities, and people build their lives around those differing ethnicities just as much as they did around Christianity itself, and yet it would be difficult to say that those people in that past where less Christian than we are today. Christianity, after all, should not engage in the fallacy of chronological snobbery.

OK, so the next quote says this:

[Quote] The alt-right is anti-gospel because to embrace white identity requires rejecting the Christian identity. The Christian belongs to a “chosen race” (1 Peter 2:9), the elect from every tribe and tongue (Rev. 7:9). [Unquote]

Again, this is horseshit. After all, because I embrace my identity as a male, does that mean that I reject my Christian identity or that I am anti-gospel. Of course not. We all have different identities, and embracing one does not necessarily cause the negation of others. Furthermore, notice how this very quote undermines what the author is saying. After all, if the elect are from every tribe and tongue, then this assumes that there are different tribes and tongues, which is exactly what the alt-rightist wants: namely, to be allowed to have his own tribe and his own tongue without interference from others. Furthermore, just because Christians are the “chosen race” does not mean that there cannot be sub-categories within the chosen race. After all, does a Polish Christian need to claim that he is identical with a German Christian merely because they are fellow Christians. Of course not! Rather, the Polish Christian and German Christian recognize their commonality in Christ, while easily understanding and maintaining the fact that one is Polish and one is German. The idea that a Christian must choose between his Christian identity and his ethnic identity is both false and deceptive; the Christian identity may be the superior one, but this does not negate the obviously existent ethnic identity. Furthermore, I somehow doubt that this whole idea would be said to Blacks, or Hispanics, or Asians. Indeed, no one would say that embracing Black identity requires rejecting one’s Christian identity. So this claim seems to be a standard that is only applied to whites. And as such, it can be rejected as a hypocritical double-standard.

More at the link...

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2017 6:34 AM  

Nathan, Trinity can vary with hyper-fine definition differentiation.

He would have thrown it in as a disingenuous curve ball. Muddy the waters, sling mud widely.

If you want to write another book explaining exactly what Trinity means, all the best with that...

I don't think the Earth can contain the volumes that can be written...

Blogger Stilicho June 15, 2017 6:41 AM  

@11 Emmanuel, the response you were searching for is "two dudes who marry each other aren't men". If the libtardian tries to reply further, tell him to "hush up, Suzy, the adults are talking".

Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 6:42 AM  

Vox's position on the Trinity is immaterial to the SBC's gradual embrace of Progressive Humanism and Globalist Idolatry.

@Phillip George: His Hippiness, Pope Francis is, like most Roman Catholics, a 'Theistic Evolutionist'. He made very clear in the statement you are poorly referencing that God is still the author of creation, 'Big Bang' and 'Evolution' included.

Pope Francis is a vile little moron, who's personal opinions on a wide variety of issues, Roman Catholics may happily ignore.

Blogger Phat Repat June 15, 2017 6:49 AM  

I think it's more apt to conclude that Whites hate Whites. No other way to describe this absolute self-loathing, this suicidal pact, that they appear to have.

Blogger Mark Jones June 15, 2017 6:52 AM  

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Anonymous Rocklea June 15, 2017 7:03 AM  

I read the post about the scout group and John Wright's son. I didn't have the time to read all the comments, though I am sure someone would have suggested creating an uncucked scout group. Convergence, then the reaction, just like alt-tech. Alt-Churches, or, real churches, will attract people in accordance with their teachings. The cucks will be very lonely in the end.

Blogger YIH June 15, 2017 7:11 AM  

VFM0265 wrote:I have been lurking here for years, and occasionally commenting, but in all that time, I have NEVER heard Vox Day denounce, nay-say, or in any way deny the Holy Trinity of God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit. Vox is not a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, like most who attempt to deny the Trinity. These people are a special kind of wolf in sheep's clothing.
From The Gospel Coalition's site (link in original):
But what they mean by Christianity is often a heretical form (Day rejects the Trinity).

Blogger Mark Jones June 15, 2017 7:13 AM  

Very little social science research has been done on the alt-right. Leftists in academia are afraid of the alt-right.

Members of the alt-right: What is your anecdotal sense of the fertility rate of the average member of the alt-right if such a statistical study were done? How about the marriage rate of the typical member of the alt-right?

How religious is a typical member of the alt-right? For example, how active are they in their religious communities? Also, what religion are typical alt-right adherents a part of since pagans for example had a much lower rate of fertility than Christianity in the Roman empire.

If the alt-right right is largely made up of irreligious, internet male activists like many in the secular left, I don't see how they can compete with the religious right over the long term. The irreligious typically have below replacement rates of fertility.

If you haven't read the paper entitled "Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?: Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First
Century" at http://www.sneps.net/RD/uploads/1-Shall%20the%20Religious%20Inherit%20the%20Earth.pdf , I would highly recommend it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 15, 2017 7:14 AM  

@Philip George

Well spoken.

I haven't been able to reconcile certain mainstream ideas about divinity, ie the trinity, with scripture, so at best I can say that some are clearly wrong.

But;

A) that's not a condemnation of people who sincerely believe them. God knows I'm wrong about things.

B) nor does it mean I can tell you which, if any, of the available human explanations are correct. I plan to ask, though, when that day comes.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 15, 2017 7:18 AM  

@Mark Jones

The mohommedans seek to grow by dual means;

1 reproduction
2 conversion

The altRight is inevitable not as a function of the fertility of the beginners (how many of the disciples had children?), but as a function of rral world experience with crusading mohommedans converting ever larger numbers to our cause.

Because our cause is none other that reality itself, ie truth, and reality has a way of imposing itself whether you will or not.

Anonymous Rocklea June 15, 2017 7:24 AM  

"Because our cause is none other that reality itself, ie truth, and reality has a way of imposing itself whether you will or not."

Well said Resident Moron, I was going to suggest he speak to the Alt-Right leader:) He's so hard to get a hold of though.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2017 7:26 AM  

Of course anti-racism is nothing but a code word for anti-white.

Millions of people are out there now just waiting to be comforted by being told of the fact that the Joe Carter's and the Russel Moores of the world are full of shit and welcome to the alt-right.

It is called the technique of Stating the Obvious, intellectuals hate it but it is effective.

Blogger RobertDWood June 15, 2017 7:26 AM  

And they always lie

Blogger tuberman June 15, 2017 7:30 AM  

Back when I was 10 years old, I made a friend of a Japanese man, who said he was a fascist, as he still identified with pre-WWII Japan. He stated, "All Christians are intuitively Socialists, whether they know it are not." I just played him checkers and chess as he was my best opponent.

It is sad to see how easily most churches are converged into Globalist/Stalinist patterns, and it would be nice to actually hear about stronger opposition to this SBC movement to full Churchianity. (and not just here).

Anonymous Alexamenos June 15, 2017 7:32 AM  

Southern Baptist theology was highly amenable to slavery when slavery was in the economic interests of the most powerful and wealthy elements of society.

Now that the most powerful and wealthy elements of want open borders and cheap imported labor, southern baptist theology is finding itself once again well aligned with the interests of the one percent.

I'm real close to disavowing my southern Baptist ethnicity.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 15, 2017 7:33 AM  

All you have to do to test their honesty is switch "white" for "black". Would they ever pass a resolution condemning the "black identity cause/movement"? Almost certainly not. Therefore, this is not about opposition to racism, as such, but a condemnation of white people.

Blogger Mark Jones June 15, 2017 7:37 AM  

@Resident Moron™

Adherents of Abrahamic religions who take their holy books seriously are very pro-natal. Why is this important as far as an ideologies/religions long term effect on a society and the world at large?

Consider this:

In 2011, the Oxford University journal Sociology of Religion published an article by Eric Kaufmann, Anne Goujon and Vegard Skirbekk entitled The End of Secularization in Europe?: A Socio-Demographic Perspective which declared:

"“Silent” demographic effects can be profound in the long term. For example, Rodney Stark shows how early Christians’ favorable fertility and mortality rates when compared with Hellenistic pagans may have helped fuel a 40 percent growth rate in the Christian population of the Roman Empire over several centuries. This helped give rise to a population increase from 40 converts in 30 AD to 6 million by the year 300 leading to a “tipping point” which helped Christianity become institutionalized within the Empire (Stark 1996)." See: https://academic.oup.com/socrel/article-abstract/73/1/69/1613974/The-End-of-Secularization-in-Europe-A-Socio

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 7:50 AM  

This is a perfect example of a well run FUD campaign.

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Those in power, and thus with much to lose, want to create fear, and uncertainty, and doubt about the Alt-Right. This is made easier for them because the MSM is complicit. and yes... one of the costs of our strategy of going around the MSM is we don't yet have the massive bullhorn to scream our message from the mountain tops. That does not make that strategy wrong of course. its just a cost of it.

Thus we have to remember that every day joe has a good chance to be mislead about the alt-right... and we should therefore handle people who think we are their enemy are actually just ignorant about the movement.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 7:52 AM  

"Southern Baptist theology was highly amenable to slavery when slavery was in the economic interests of the most powerful and wealthy elements of society. "

They viewed slavery as an evil but a natural evil that man would never rid the world of.

Given that there are more slaves today than there were in 1840 world wide... it should suffice to prove their point.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 15, 2017 7:53 AM  

Thus we have to remember that every day joe has a good chance to be mislead about the alt-right...

For example, Donald Trump

Blogger Phat Repat June 15, 2017 7:56 AM  

Until we overcome the simple fact of whites hating whites, our destruction is baked into the cake. Can we overcome this? What will be this uniting force? It can only come through pain, and that will only come through a system-wide reset. The $IMFS is NOT long for this world and many will not make it through to the other side, but hopefully, those that do, will finally unite to bring White civilization back; a society of decency and standards (and extremely limited Gov). Okay, the last is a stretch, but it's my fantasy.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 June 15, 2017 7:59 AM  

"...they believe that Jesus Christ's kingdom is of this world and must be established by them."

Nailed it! This is the fundamental problem.

Blogger Vikki Wilson June 15, 2017 8:00 AM  

Everyone is on the run and enabling convergence to occur. They understand that the Social Justice Wolves are still tirelessly going house to house, killing the survivors of the latest battle.

These kind of public statements are intended as a prophylactic: they hope they will now be left alone. Of course they won't be. There's not many of us that want to walk towards the fire, some of us will do so when there's no alternative.

Hate to say it but Christianity will do better when it is persecuted again.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2017 8:03 AM  

Well the Moores and Carters are counting on the alt-right to do the conservative thing and tail gate the debate as conservatives always tail gate the Left. The Left spews some psycho babble invective at conservatives and the cons fall into the trap of "No we are not and let me explain."

If perhaps one or two of you would like to reverse this then ask those two why they are anti-White.

Blogger Paul Sacramento June 15, 2017 8:04 AM  

The trinity is a doctrine of nature, God's nature.
As with most things God-related, it fails to address God completely because of our limited vocabulary and understanding.
And example is when people call God a "being", God is NOT "a being". God IS being, much like God doesn't exist, God IS existence.
The trinity tries to address the divine nature of Father, Son and HS.
All three must be "God" ( and God is being used almost in the same way we would use Human) if all three have the roles subscribes to them in the Bible.

To deny their divinity is to deny the HS and Christ's ability to save, for example since only God can save, and to re-interpret The Gospel of John as say a JW would.

That said, it is perfect normal for a Christian to question ANY doctrine that seems to them to be questionable.

Anonymous Avalanche June 15, 2017 8:04 AM  

@13 "Vox - ... I would show up if you were pastor at church of Kek though. Maybe some online sermons from you"

Go watch his DarkStreams -- some truly excellent Vox-sermons already online!

Anonymous Anonymous June 15, 2017 8:04 AM  

@11
How about, "If you were a man, you'd know better."

Kentucky Headhunter

Anonymous RecoveringBeta June 15, 2017 8:09 AM  

I was curious about that also

Blogger William Meisheid June 15, 2017 8:10 AM  

Even a casual perusal of the Book of Revelations shows that God still deals with humanity as nations, both in judgment and in restitution. A biblical nation was a group of related people such as the Egyptians or Philistines or Assyrians or Babylonians or Greeks or Romans or Israelites.

The legitimate question is does becoming a Christian change any of that? Some people point to 1 Peter 2:9 as an argument that becoming a Christian removes you from whatever nation you once belonged to into a new Christian nation.

"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;"

In addition, Revelation 5:9 seems to buttress that argument that when we become a Christian we are pulled out of our old allegiances into a new group that sings a "new song."

"And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,"

Added to that the arguments about citizenship could apply here. In Ephesians 2:19 Paul talks about Christians being fellow citizens.

"Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners [member of different nations], but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,"

While in Philippians 3:20 he argues we are citizens of heaven (where only Christians - those born again under the saving blood of Jesus Christ - reside).

"20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,"

This is not end all and be all of the argument but it is a biblically legitimate part of the debate.

So for me, the question is, where does my participation in my American European Ancestry Nation end and my becoming part of the Heavenly Nation begin, because I remember that Paul used his Roman and Tarsus citizenship as arguments for specific treatment during his ministry, as well as his being a Roman citizen allowing him to appeal to the Emperor when he was imprisoned in Jerusalem.

This is a thorny issue, which I believe has been poorly studied in the past, but will now, with the rise of the alt-right, hopefully get its proper due. The real issue is along what path does God's truth lie and what definitions and directions are God's and which are deceptions of the enemy of us all?

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2017 8:12 AM  

I prefer to play against the Washington Generals than on their team.

You know, that makes for a pretty good analogy. If the Left is the Globetrotters, then we're like an up-and-coming college team that's challenged them. The Generals are irrelevant; but if necessary, we'll beat them first as a warmup game.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 15, 2017 8:12 AM  

Being the pioneers of dispensationalism precludes them from any other position than neo-connery. Their (((masters))) insist.

Anonymous Bruce June 15, 2017 8:16 AM  

I have seven children and we are trying for more. We are traditional Anglican (not Episcopal Church USA).

Blogger ThirdMonkey June 15, 2017 8:18 AM  

I have a long familial and personal history with the SBC. My grandfather at one time was the president of the convention in his home state. My other grandfather was a founding member of a Baptist Church. My parents served as full-time foreign missionaries for several years. I myself an ordained deacon, and I have personally shared the Gospel on 3 continents. The SBC will no longer get a dime from me. I called my parents out of respect to let them know, as they receive a retirement from the SBC. My Dad said they were already one step ahead of me. When I return from my business trip, I will be working within my own congregation to divest the percentage our church gives to the SBC. I don't want my tithe to go to Russell Moore and the cucks at the Seminaries.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 8:21 AM  

For example, Donald Trump

Josh, for your own sake, just. give. it. up. already.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 8:22 AM  

This is not end all and be all of the argument but it is a biblically legitimate part of the debate.

Did you give up your U.S. passport and stop paying your U.S. income taxes? If not, then shut the fuck up. Because you are clearly just bullshitting.

Anonymous Bruce June 15, 2017 8:23 AM  

In the end, God will raise people from all nations. This demonstrates that it’s God’s will that there will be nations.

Anonymous Alexamenos June 15, 2017 8:23 AM  

I think it'd be more fair to say they viewed slavey as biblical. Surely opinion wasn't unanimous, but the pro-slavery position was part and parcel of the southern side of things.

Anonymous krbu June 15, 2017 8:25 AM  

Joe Carter's bio: http://www.phc.edu/faculty/jpcarter.

Carter has, to put it kindly, dubious academic creds: two-thirds of students attending his alma mater, Marymount University, are coeds; it's acceptance rate is a non-competitive 86 percent with a rolling admissions process to quickly snag every potential student. Many students at this renown university major in Interior Design and Fashion Merchandising, two of the largest departments.

And, laughably, on the above bio, he proudly displays his MBA from an ONLINE university, Excelsior?

(As an aside, the names of his wife and one child, Samantha and Misty, sound like stage names for the casting of Bewitched reruns, not typical "Christian" names.)

Blogger William Meisheid June 15, 2017 8:29 AM  

Alexamenos wrote:I think it'd be more fair to say they viewed slavey as biblical. Surely opinion wasn't unanimous, but the pro-slavery position was part and parcel of the southern side of things.

But biblical slavery was primarily individual or as a member of a conquered group, not because of your people or nation. Southern slavery was, as far as I know, exclusively black defined. If you were a black person, you were (and deserved to be) a slave. That was never biblical slavery.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 15, 2017 8:31 AM  

Josh, for your own sake, just. give. it. up. already.

I was using him as an example of someone who is probably mislead about the alt right.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2017 8:34 AM  

The best part is the examples of the Alt-Right having a disdain for "gospel-centered Christianity."

Yep. I'm sure there are examples of people who claim to be Alt-Right and hate Christianity, wanting to replace it with paganism or atheism or whatever. I don't read them because I think they're irrelevant, but I know they're out there.

But I don't even have to read this piece to know that's not what has their panties in a twist. Instead of fighting that, they want to get into esoteric theology that's beyond the knowledge of 99.9% of Christians. The horse is out of the barn and you can hear it being eaten by wolves, and they want to argue about the type of hay we've been feeding it.

The guy who claims to be my pope is running around saying things like "God cannot be God without man," but I'm supposed to reject Vox -- and the Alt-Right by extension -- because he might be wrong on the Trinity? I'll pass. We can hash that out after we beat the real enemies, if we live that long.

The modernists have kinda painted themselves into a corner on this. They've spent the last half-century or more dumbing-down Christians and pushing ecumenism, to the point where many Christians don't even think it's necessary to be Christian, let alone think that you need to be a particular kind of Christian. And then they want these same Christians to get righteous over some particular heresy like the bishops at Nicea? That's not gonna work. It'd be simpler if they stuck to: Those guys are scary meanies; stay away from them.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 8:40 AM  

"But biblical slavery was primarily individual or as a member of a conquered group, not because of your people or nation. Southern slavery was, as far as I know, exclusively black defined."

this is silly. The slaves came from africa where they had been conquered and enslaved. Also... being black did not make you a slave. Lots of freemen (free blacks) existed. in fact per capita freemen were the most likely people to own slaves.

The church was torn on slavery. In fact the whole south was not nearly as pro slavery as is depicted. The south knew slavery was dying. What the south wanted was a slow gradual controlled end. The end of slavery in Haiti, was quick and abrupt and resulted in tons of violence. That news became a huge story in the south and was foundational to the southron point of view on the matter.

In places where slavery ended gradually... like europe... it was peaceful and fine. In places where it didn't... there was bloodshed.

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2017 8:42 AM  

I want to point out a logical absurdity.
A man is expected to rule, govern, instruct, defend, nurture, protect, his family, especially his Children.

This is a God given responsibility.

Yet people come on line and say we shouldn't get our hands dirty mixing religion with politics or being any practical use to "thy kingdom come" or doing a single word of advocacy in making politics "right" in absolute moral terms.

In effect "separation of church and state" is killing you. At Waco, Ruby Ridge, USS Liberty, at Benghazi, at Seth Rich, at yes gays do die younger, drugged, depressed.

At secularism fails every time. Communism just being the most recent epic multi millions dead failure

Separation of Church and state is killing you.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 15, 2017 8:42 AM  

I have always seen the Trinity as describing three ways that men can experience God. It's the same God, whether you are experiencing the Father, Son or Holy Spirit.

How did Jesus not know everything the Father knew, and how did that leave Him still God? I'm not sure, but if God can choose to forget our sins, surely He can choose to forget other things as well, at least for a time, at least for part of His mind.

I have always assumed that Jesus was all of God that will fit into a man. Jesus depended on constant communication with the Father to supply as needed the bits that were stored remotely. God is more than we can understand. The doctrine of the Trinity is a reasonable way to say ``I don't know much.''

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 8:43 AM  

I was using him as an example of someone who is probably mislead about the alt right.

Josh, let me explain something to you. This sort of Gamma sneakiness doesn't fool anyone. We know you want to continue to take shots at Trump. We know you will take every opportunity to do so. We know that is what you are doing here.

Yes, Trump is one of many reasonable examples. But the point is that you chose him, again, as you always do whenever it is possible. We know perfectly well that you are not concerned about providing the best possible example of something that everyone already understands perfectly well, you are merely using it as an excuse to take yet another shot at the God-Emperor.

My advice to you is get over it, and above all, to understand that no one here - no one - is even remotely fooled by your rational cover.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 8:45 AM  

I will not shut up and I am not bullshitting, but you are being biblically ignorant or just cherry picking what fits your argument, which is beneath you.

Oh yes, you will. You're done here.

I wasn't even addressing you specifically, moron. I was merely pointing out the fact that anyone who makes that argument but has retained their other citizenships is posturing and making a fraudulent argument.

Blogger J A Baker June 15, 2017 8:45 AM  

If you look at this in terms of the world and history moving toward the inevitable end times described in the book of Revalations, then it is the responsibility of churches to ask the question of what is really behind this movement of open borders and to indistinguish the nations. Is this movement of Christ or of anti-Christ?

If you read Revalations then you cannot deny that history is moving toward the inevitable rise of the anti-Christ, and the idea of creating a Heaven on earth is not inline with God's plan, but falls right in line with events described in Revalations where the anti-Christ or counterfeit Christ deceives many people and ultimately becomes the ruler of a one world government.

So the church has a responsibility at all costs to oppose this inevitable movement, to remain faithful to its husband while he is away. I believe that national sovereignty is one of those political stances that the church should be behind one hundred percent, which is why it troubles me, that in this day and age when there is such an assault against the sovereignty of the US, that these churches are silent on this, but not only silent, but they seem to be subtly in favor of globalism.

Where is the SBC resolution to promote the sovereignty of individual nations especially the US which without that sovereignty Christian work world wide would take a disastrous blow. Which leads me to wonder if the fall of the United States is part of the inevitable history. US is the last stronghold of Christianity and that is why it's sovereignty is being attacked from every direction. When US is out of the way then world wide persecution of Christians can go on virtually unchecked.

I believe that communism is plays a role in the end times as well. It is backed by dark forces, how else could the political
Ideology of such a failure of a man as Karl Marx have become such a powerful and persistent force in the world, and the deadly fruits of Marxism couple with its blood lust for Christians leads me to believe that this will be the form of government the anti-Christ enslaves the world under.

I would go so far as to say, that these large corporate churches will be the first to betray Christ in the coming days leading to the end times, so if you belong to one of these such as the SBC or the UMC or the Presbies, run run run for your lives because these organizations are becoming slaughter houses fast.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2017 8:50 AM  

How long until the SBC requires interracial marriage for its young people?

Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 8:51 AM  

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Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 8:54 AM  

Thank you, Nate. My own family were slave owners (three plantations in Georgia), and papers I still have in my possession tell how they were trying to divest themselves of their slaves beginning in the mid 1850's. It was just becoming increasingly economically impractical.

The family Patriarch at the time, didn't feel it would be Christian to just free them, because he feared they would starve. In his will, which I also possess, he instructed that elderly slaves would be cared for from his estate.

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:05 AM  

"I think it's more apt to conclude that Whites hate Whites. No other way to describe this absolute self-loathing, this suicidal pact, that they appear to have."

That is absolutely true. A preponderance of whites fetishize coloreds.

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:11 AM  

I dont think the Alt-right makes sense as a group of equally recognized nations. In the SBC's perspective in America they will see it as white nationalism because America is a white nation. If anyone really believes in nationalism he can't create a list of rights and implicit duties of other nations without undermining nationalism.

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:15 AM  

So you either believe in at least a self-sorting supremacy or youre a globalist.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 9:18 AM  

"I think it's more apt to conclude that Whites hate Whites. No other way to describe this absolute self-loathing, this suicidal pact, that they appear to have."

no.

Remember... what whites say and do in public has nothing to do with what whites say and do in private.

look at where the virtue signaling liberal whites live. All in lilly white communities... and gated all white neighborhoods inside that white communities.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 9:20 AM  

"If anyone really believes in nationalism he can't create a list of rights and implicit duties of other nations without undermining nationalism. "

of course he can. let me show you.

***begin list***

1) You have a right to exist.

2) You have a right to self-determination

***End List***

see how easy that was?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2017 9:21 AM  

That's why it's called virtue signaling instead of virtue practicing.

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:23 AM  

"1) You have a right to exist.

2) You have a right to self-determination"

And now let us establish a council among the nations to protect this self-determination from unjust nations that seek to constrain the self-determination of the free and equal nations.

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:26 AM  

Denying supremacy is like denying the sociosexual hierarchy. It exists no matter what anyone says or believes and will assert itself regardless of any claims to equal self-determination. Except youre going to end up with the equivakent of codes of conduct.

Blogger Timmy3 June 15, 2017 9:27 AM  

Ethnicity finds you. So many races go to their own churches and oddly, many find white churches enticing to infiltrate, but many just segregate in their own ethnic churches. I like Baptists for being more conservative than other mainstream denominations, but they are compromised like the others. Went to non-denominational for years.

Blogger William Meisheid June 15, 2017 9:29 AM  

VD wrote:I will not shut up and I am not bullshitting, but you are being biblically ignorant or just cherry picking what fits your argument, which is beneath you.

Oh yes, you will. You're done here.

I wasn't even addressing you specifically, moron. I was merely pointing out the fact that anyone who makes that argument but has retained their other citizenships is posturing and making a fraudulent argument.


Be fair. Doesn't saying "Did you give up your U.S. passport and stop paying your U.S. income taxes? If not, then shut the fuck up. Because you are clearly just bullshitting." sound like you are addressing me specifically?

Paul made some of those statements while holding onto his citizenship. Was he a moron and making fraudulent arguments?

I am not a moron, but I will agree you are smarter than I am in some things. However, why do you short circuit to ad hominem attacks rather than deal with legitimate biblical questions? You can cut me off, you already deleted the post, but the questions still remain. You can get rid of me, but you cannot get rid of Hebrews chapter 12, which in many ways addresses what is happening.

Peace be with you brother.



Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 9:30 AM  

"
And now let us establish a council among the nations to protect this self-determination from unjust nations that seek to constrain the self-determination of the free and equal nations."

HEY! Come back here with those goal posts!!

Look mate... you're basically arguing that sense the Alt-Right doesn't establish utopia it therefore is incoherent.

That's stupid.

We don't need supremacy. We don't need to define it or even give a damn. All we need.. is to say we think the same thing that our founding fathers thought. That people have a right to govern themselves.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2017 9:32 AM  

We don't need a council to protect self determination either. Just rifles.

Anonymous c matt June 15, 2017 9:34 AM  

Why does the alt-right hate conservative Christians?

Because the vast majority of them are neither conservative, nor Christian.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 15, 2017 9:34 AM  

We don't need a council to protect self determination either. Just rifles.

It might also help to have machine guns, and artillery.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora June 15, 2017 9:35 AM  

The trinity is arbitrary anyway. No one ever talks about how the holy spirit is described as 7 spirits in revelation.

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:37 AM  

"All we need.. is to say we think the same thing that our founding fathers thought. That people have a right to govern themselves."

Thats just globalized liberalism that will lead inevitably to the United States of Earth and will follow the same path our "sovereign" States in America followed.

Anonymous c matt June 15, 2017 9:42 AM  

science's big bang = let there be light. In fact, "big bang" was coined as an insult to the theory precisely because it lined up so nicely with "Let there be light." So I don't see a particular theological problem with it. Evolution, depending on how you define it, is another issue.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 9:45 AM  

Be fair. Doesn't saying "Did you give up your U.S. passport and stop paying your U.S. income taxes? If not, then shut the fuck up. Because you are clearly just bullshitting." sound like you are addressing me specifically?

I can see how you thought that, but that was not the case. And instead of asking for confirmation, you simply launched into an unprovoked attack here. If you want to participate here, you have to learn not to engage in kneejerk reactions.

Paul made some of those statements while holding onto his citizenship. Was he a moron and making fraudulent arguments?

If he was arguing what the SBC cucks are, yes. The alternative is that his argument is different than their argument, they are interpreting his reference to spiritual citizenship incorrectly, and they are using it to make a fraudulent argument.

What do you think? Are you a citizen of the material Kingdom of God? If so, where is your passport? And what other states recognize that kingdom?

And who rules over that kingdom, if Jesus Christ is yet to come back?

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 9:45 AM  

"Thats just globalized liberalism that will lead inevitably to the United States of Earth and will follow the same path our "sovereign" States in America followed."

no nancy. It isn't. Its observing that the alt-right is not a national movement. its a movement world wide. Its brexit. its the fall of the EU.

None of that is anyone following the US lead.

And who gives a damn if some people in nation X doen't want to come along? Its their choice. if they want to choose to be slaves... so be it. That's what sovereignty actually is. Letting people decide. Even when they choose what you don't like.

Blogger praetorian June 15, 2017 9:46 AM  

Denying supremacy is like denying the sociosexual hierarchy.

Supremacy in what?

Chinese are +1SD in IQ. I have no desire to live in China.

Ashkenazi are +1SD in IQ. I have no desire to be ruled over by Ashkenazi.

Wait...

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 9:47 AM  

Because the vast majority of them are neither conservative, nor Christian.

That is incorrect. The Christian Alt-Right almost certainly now outnumbers the secular Alt-Right. And even if it doesn't yet, it will as the overall Alt-Right grows.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 15, 2017 9:48 AM  

I believe in Gospel-centered, Christ-centered, cross-focused Christianity and I’m Alt Right.

Close enough not to quibble. I subscribe to the original Nicene Creed, not the Constantinian Creed which is often, and incorrectly, substituted for it.

/sperg levels…rising

Please someone tell me…is the train fine?

Blogger Weouro June 15, 2017 9:52 AM  

"And who gives a damn if some people in nation X doen't want to come along?"

A global Abraham Lincoln figure will arise and FORCE those bastards to be free.

Blogger Phat Repat June 15, 2017 9:52 AM  

Nate wrote:"I think it's more apt to conclude that Whites hate Whites. No other way to describe this absolute self-loathing, this suicidal pact, that they appear to have."

no.

Remember... what whites say and do in public has nothing to do with what whites say and do in private.

look at where the virtue signaling liberal whites live. All in lilly white communities... and gated all white neighborhoods inside that white communities.



True, whites are fearful of speaking out; maybe they'll overcome this at some point, maybe not.

Uh, whites hating whites is evidenced throughout history (recent): CW1, WW1, WW2 (and we can go further back for even more evidence).

Without a doubt I live in an all-white community. Most of the pricks around me are more worried about how tall my grass is rather than the greater tragedy engulfing this nation. I hate that I might have to take up arms in defense of, or alongside, such dipsticks. And while I'm in the confessional, I truly hate the freaking boomers more than one can imagine. Not unlike most gen-x'ers (et al) I suppose.

Blogger Harris June 15, 2017 9:55 AM  

My father was a Baptist Preacher. But he died 30 years ago, and I stopped being Baptist a year before that. He left the Baptist church 2 years before me.

I suggest checking out AWMI.net, a Bible teacher who was formerly Baptist from my hometown of Arlington, TX, and who allows anyone to download all of his teaching for free from his website. He is still strongly against LGBT, though not Alt-right. But he is a pure Bible based teacher, and expects people to check out his teaching with what the Bible actually says.

Blogger Mr Darcy June 15, 2017 9:59 AM  

@ 20 Wild Ape:

Don't worry; God has acted:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Evangelical_Lutheran_Diocese_of_North_America

http://eldona.org/

https://www.facebook.com/Evangelical-Lutheran-Diocese-ELDoNA-113374425365493/

Anonymous Viking June 15, 2017 10:03 AM  

That is why He is called the King of kings. He didn't come to destroy the nations but to bring them all unto Himself.

Blogger James June 15, 2017 10:04 AM  

Satan is good at turning the Truth of God into a lie.

The reason God allows this to happen is because God is in the process of separating the sheep from the goats.

Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has entered in to the heart of man, what God has prepared for those who love Him. As for those who hate Him, God says they love death.


Blogger Mark Jones June 15, 2017 10:07 AM  

@VD

You wrote: "The Christian Alt-Right almost certainly now outnumbers the secular Alt-Right. And even if it doesn't yet, it will as the overall Alt-Right grows."

Do have a sense of what branches of Christianity those alt-right individuals belong to?

Anonymous b3k June 15, 2017 10:09 AM  

@Stilicho

They already went "full MLK". ERLC is hosting a conference in his honor next year for the 50th anniversary of his assasination.

Blogger Harris June 15, 2017 10:11 AM  

I also left the Republican party after the 2006 elections, when it became obvious that the Republicans weren't serious about being what I considered "conservative." Prior to that, I was a regular, though small, donor. I still have never voted for a Democrat in my life, but I also refused to vote for either McCain or Romney in 2008 and 2012.

I had reservations about Trump because of how he attacked others in the primary. Also didn't anticipate exactly how good he would be in his first 4 months in office. He's accomplished more positive movement in his short time in office than any President since Reagan's first term in office. Frankly, after being burned so often, I was hesitant to give my full support to ANY candidate. But I'm fully behind Trump now. Certainly, he still makes mistakes. But those are trifling compared to the positive direction he's taking the country.

I am still hesitant to say I'm "alt-right." I'm not sure I fully understand the entire philosophy. Instead, I'll say I'm pro-American, and pro-Christian. I've been arguing for years that allowing the Catholic Poles, Irish and Italians into the country changed the dynamic of country 150 years ago. And I agree there is no "white" culture. There are many white cultures.

I joke that I personally am the bane of all existence - a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, with ancestry that includes 7 passengers on the Mayflower, and family who emigrated to Jamestown in 1611. The direct Harris name in my family arrived in 1624 in Jamestown. In fact, one of my ancestral uncles (not named Harris) bought the first African slave in America off a Dutch trading ship in Jamestown. I never apologize for this, and refuse to pass harsh judgment on my ancestors based on modern ideals.

Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 10:11 AM  

@Phat Repat: Whites hating whites may have more to do with identity than any self loathing suicide pact. The fact is there is no unified 'White' nation. No single 'White' identity.

Even in each European country there can be multiple identities. The people of Venice are not the same identity as the people of Naples. Prussian is not the same as Bavarian, though both are German.

Southern White isn't the same as New England White.

Blogger CrackedCrazyDexer June 15, 2017 10:14 AM  

Not surprised that Hellstream evanjellybean baptists decided to virtue signal that they are against us evil wacist. Back when I was still on Facebook more than a few of my Christian friends liked to share OccupyDemocrat memes and other b.s. memes to prove they are Cool Christians not like the evil intolerant hatemongers of old. I have no doubt they and other on fire churchians will be posting their selfies on social media when they take the Mark to show how they are not like those paranoid racist Alt-Righters. Churchianism is a hell of a drug.

Anonymous Azimus June 15, 2017 10:17 AM  

VD:The Southern Baptist Convention decided not to go full cuck, and instead passed a watered-down version of their attack on nationalism, limiting it to a condemnation of "racism" and "alt-right white supremacy".

I'm not SBC so I don't know for certain, but I can't imagine this would be the first time they condemned "racism". So the SJW attack did not move the needle in this organization. The point of the SJW attack was to drive a wedge between the Alt-Right and SBC. Why let them succeed? As far as I'm concerned, this was about as good an outcome that is possible from an organization that is A) larger than 500 people and B) not composed on anonymous internet handles.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 15, 2017 10:19 AM  

Harris, have you read The 16 Points of the Alt-Right?

Blogger wrf3 June 15, 2017 10:21 AM  

VD wrote:Are you a citizen of the material Kingdom of God?
Yes. "Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
If so, where is your passport?
Assumes facts not in evidence, namely, that a passport is needed. "The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
And what other states recognize that kingdom?
Why does that matter? 'Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." It's just a matter of time. Why do you need someone else's approval until then?
And who rules over that kingdom, if Jesus Christ is yet to come back?
Jesus, certainly. In exactly the same way that Caesar ruled over Rome and yet Roman Christians affirmed that Jesus is Lord.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 10:24 AM  

It seems to me it would be at least entertaining if not effective.. to catalogue the fact that almost all of these nasty things said about the Alt-Right... are the same exact things said about the regular normal right as well.

Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 10:24 AM  

@VD: You said, "That is incorrect. The Christian Alt-Right almost certainly now outnumbers the secular Alt-Right. And even if it doesn't yet, it will as the overall Alt-Right grows".

I wonder if, even unconsciously, that is the real reason for their knee jerk hostility. They see their own children embracing the Alt-Right and it is destroying the illusion that, at least inside their church building, it's still 1957.

Anonymous Sandra June 15, 2017 10:26 AM  

By the way, Vox, Dorothy Sayer's book The Mind of the Maker lays out a case for the Trinity being how God functions as Supreme Creator: God the Father conceives the idea, Jesus the Son brings it into being, and the Holy Spirit helps us understand what it means. This is echoed in human creativity. I can't really do the book justice in a short summary.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 10:27 AM  

"A global Abraham Lincoln figure will arise and FORCE those bastards to be free. "

nah. we already learned that lesson. the next Booth will act at the beginning... not the end.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 10:28 AM  

The idea that one should be condemned as "anti-christian" for struggling with the concept of the Trinity is a bit daft... considering the church struggled with the concept for 1500 years and is arguably still struggling with it today.

OpenID dreadilkzee June 15, 2017 10:36 AM  

I honestly don't know what to say. They cherry picked one example (Richard Spenser) and basically use everything BUT Alt-right postings to say what the alt-right is.

There was hope at one point because the SBC didn't support the original resolution but then still went with vague "white nationalist" language.

I think I am going to submit the "we disavow _{ethinic_group}_ nationalist" so we an just get done with this globalist farce. No I really wish I had gone to the convention as apparently non-one not a single person stood to talk about what the alt-right is.

Blogger Mark Jones June 15, 2017 10:38 AM  

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@ 106 Harris:

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Blogger bw June 15, 2017 10:39 AM  

It's hilarious to watch preMills and postMills with hubris concerning their eschatology spew all over themselves to make the observable reality of history and current events try to fit their false muh Kingdom come - and World Govt and this Pope and wiping out the Euro is It! or it's just about to be here and has been inevitable and wiping out the Euro is gonna be It!

Blogger Loyd Jenkins June 15, 2017 10:40 AM  

Haven't read what they passed, and probably won't. The SBC has been struggling with liberals trying to take over since the '70s. The main attack had been against accepting what the Bible says. The only force in the Bible for a world government is the Anti-Christ. No wonder they want to ignore the Bible.

Anonymous Musashi5000 June 15, 2017 10:43 AM  

Does not Christ himself separate those that are his sheep, which hear his voice, from those that are not?

Does not Christ say "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

Everyone in the world is not our brother, not in the slightest.

The SBC is apostate, as is most of the Church.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 10:43 AM  

"I honestly don't know what to say. They cherry picked one example (Richard Spenser) and basically use everything BUT Alt-right postings to say what the alt-right is."

This is not a surprise. We chose the strategy of not kicking our extremists out. We did so knowing they would use our extremists to label us all... and that is exactly what they are doing.

Anonymous BBGKB June 15, 2017 10:46 AM  

Related to virtue signaling

Tranny Terror at Topless Toronto Spa

"she would only be welcome at the bathing suit-optional facility if she had undergone sex reassignment surgery."
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2017/06/15/women-only-spa-uncomfortable-with-transgendered-people-hanging-out/

Blogger bw June 15, 2017 10:52 AM  

Excellent points by Damien. This vibration is going to have to resonate harder and louder and build.
Simple critique if I may: Don't like that he used to many equivocating phrases. He stated facts but uses
"yet it would be difficult to say" No it is impossible and absurd and stupid to say

"seems to be a standard only applies to whites" No it is in point of fact a standard that....

"it could be argued that it is literally against God's plan" No, anyone that claims to believe and has reading comprehension...

"Again, this is a standard seemingly only reserved for whites" This IS in point of fact...

etc (not Earl Thomas Conley)

Blogger bw June 15, 2017 10:57 AM  

Remember the SBC in the 90s had a pow wow about Freeasonry in their Dixie midst..
the SBC lost

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 15, 2017 11:03 AM  

It won't be long until the Alt Right is more influential than the SBC (if we haven't reached that point already).

Thanks for the free publicity!

Blogger cassius dio June 15, 2017 11:06 AM  

After considering your Gen-X perspective. I also remember a hard core attempt to indoctrinate my generation with a globalist perspective. I remember, in my early 20's, spouting the globalist, UN, BS. Mea Culpa.
Now I have kids, I hear that stuff coming from them, and boy do I fight it. Do the boomers believe it more than us? I dont know.

Anonymous polarbearballs June 15, 2017 11:13 AM  

An evangelical Christians just LOVE THEM some Jews, and Jews separate themselves in every way possible from everyone else, from where they go to school (private JDS), to where they live (posh, all white, upper class), to whom they hang out with (other Jews, atheists) to where they kids go to college, to where they worship during the week and who they worship with (all "White" Ashkenazis, mostly).

I hold every Jew I know that opens their mouth, to their own standards: Open borders for Israel and vibrant "tapestry of color" for their synagogues and shuls. More diversity-open up the conversions, open the doors, except ALL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, NO MATTER WHAT.

Anonymous Tower of Bagel June 15, 2017 11:14 AM  

"The Southern Baptist Convention decided not to go full cuck, and instead passed a watered-down version of their attack on nationalism"

Any attack on Israeli nationalism is anti-Semitic.

The SBC is a Nazi group.

Attacking any Jewish interests = Holocaust.

Blogger Student in Blue June 15, 2017 11:15 AM  

@99. Phat Repat
Uh, whites hating whites is evidenced throughout history (recent): CW1, WW1, WW2 (and we can go further back for even more evidence).

That's a dumb example to use. Blacks kill blacks all the damn time. Asians kill each other all the damn time. Yes, even in just as large of a scale as the World Wars and the Civil War.

Yet from those examples do we claim that blacks hate blacks, and asians hate asians, enough to commit suicide?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 15, 2017 11:23 AM  

"I honestly don't know what to say. They cherry picked one example (Richard Spenser) and basically use everything BUT Alt-right postings to say what the alt-right is."

This is not a surprise. We chose the strategy of not kicking our extremists out. We did so knowing they would use our extremists to label us all... and that is exactly what they are doing.


The media always points to spencer as the public face of the alt right because he is constantly talking to the media.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 11:24 AM  

Yes. "Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

As usual, you get even your own argument hopelessly wrong. Not only does that not support your answer, it weakens it. If God's Will was being done on Earth as it is in Heaven, there would be no need to pray for it.

Assumes facts not in evidence, namely, that a passport is needed.

It doesn't assume anything. Stop evading and answer the question. If you are a citizen of the material Kingdom of God, you will have to provide us the evidence of it. Otherwise, you might as convincingly inform us that you are a citizen of Mordor.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 11:25 AM  

The media always points to spencer as the public face of the alt right because he is constantly talking to the media.

Not really. They always point to him because he supports their Narrative. If he stopped doing so, they'd stop referencing him.

Blogger SouthRon June 15, 2017 11:31 AM  

"But biblical slavery was primarily individual or as a member of a conquered group, not because of your people or nation. Southern slavery was, as far as I know, exclusively black defined."

To add a little to Nate's comments, while Southern Slavery was primarily black, it was not exclusively black. My family is descended from William Lawson who, among others, was sent here as a white slave by the British.

P.S. His family didn't make good slaves and we still don't. Too independent.

Blogger Nathan June 15, 2017 11:38 AM  

Vox,

Thanks for asking my earlier question about Carter's saying you don't believe in the Trinity.

You say:

"5. Being neither co-equal nor consubstantial, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not one being with the Father.

6. Therefore, God is one person, the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity is a false one."

So, do you also think that Jesus is in some sense fully divine like the Father? Or, like a step down?

Anonymous Jewish Redneck June 15, 2017 11:38 AM  

So you are saying Spencer needs to LARP as an Indios to validate the media's narrative that white identity is evil?

How is pretending to be an Aztec any less virtue signaling than having your white wife suckle her black son?

(PS: I am not a stormfag nazi but am a secular Jew Zionist. Just curious how you square your circle of being a white man who denies white identity.)

Anonymous CK June 15, 2017 11:43 AM  

From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/southern-baptist-convention-alt-right/index.html

"The debate began when Rev. Dwight McKissic, a black pastor from Arlington, Texas, called on Southern Baptists to formally condemn the movement's "retrograde ideologies, xenophobic biases, and racial bigotries" and re-affirm its opposition to racism in the aftermath of a presidential election that saw the rise of a small movement of nationalist and white supremacists that coalesced in support of President Donald Trump."

If the movement is so small why the urgency to denounce.

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2017 11:49 AM  

Holy crap. I can't tell whether some of you are autistic or teenage girls. If you disagree with VD's argument then take it apart in a rational manner and demonstrate how it is wrong. Or acknowledge that you are simply emotionally attached to your own point of view but have no way of explaining why and leave other people to their own ideas and emotional attachments.

The issue is whether a Christian can be alt-right. Some members of the SBC are trying to say that is not possible. There are logical reasons to disagree with that conclusion as well as historical reasons.

Is the SBC truly making the argument that anyone that is for a white nation is not a Bible believing Christian? Because that eliminates most Christians throughout history since most of them lived in Europe and most were for defending and supporting their own nations' continued existence.

Blogger tuberman June 15, 2017 11:49 AM  

"If the movement is so small why the urgency to denounce."

Well, because only Spencer's group is converged with (((CIA))) rednecks.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 15, 2017 11:50 AM  

The media always points to spencer as the public face of the alt right because he is constantly talking to the media.

Because he has a tendency for foot in mouth.

Spencer has his merits , but needs to learn some public speaking and when not to speak.

That and lifting. Those pictures from his visit to The People's Republic of Charlottesville were bad. Just bad.

Blogger J A Baker June 15, 2017 11:50 AM  

@CK

Exactly, yet the movement against national sovereignty is so large, public and wide spread, but the SBC and other organizations remains silent.

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2017 12:00 PM  

What one can expect when you put the races, cultures, and nations back into one earthly body: ...then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

The "city" is the focal point, as is globalism. A return to Babel. And the Babel system. A "divine" council that will presume to speak as God, but not of God. Like the EU commission (a divine council) which supersedes national sovereignty, laws, and times.

Blogger J A Baker June 15, 2017 12:01 PM  

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Blogger Desiderius June 15, 2017 12:08 PM  

Cail,

"The modernists have kinda painted themselves into a corner on this. They've spent the last half-century or more dumbing-down Christians and pushing ecumenism, to the point where many Christians don't even think it's necessary to be Christian, let alone think that you need to be a particular kind of Christian. And then they want these same Christians to get righteous over some particular heresy like the bishops at Nicea? That's not gonna work. It'd be simpler if they stuck to: Those guys are scary meanies; stay away from them."

Bingo.

The success they've had in that dumbing down is breathtaking. Even to them I imagine.

Blogger Desiderius June 15, 2017 12:10 PM  

"You know, that makes for a pretty good analogy. If the Left is the Globetrotters, then we're like an up-and-coming college team that's challenged them. The Generals are irrelevant; but if necessary, we'll beat them first as a warmup game."

Better not even to play them at all.

The Warriors and UNC don't bother playing the Globetrotters.

Blogger tuberman June 15, 2017 12:13 PM  

Spencer himself and some his other article writers have worthwhile things to say. But, and this is a huge but, about of a third of his commentors use to spend all their time whining about how Black Males get all the girls. I got literally kicked off for laughing at their true faggotry. I was telling them that I'm old and ugly, and still two or three women bring me food and gifts without me asking, all the time. I was told my critic of their manhood was not welcome, and was banned shortly after.

I've never felt the need for such amusement at anybody expense on this blog, as I also never see guys whining about losing all their females to Black Kingz. Ha!

I figure Spencer people have a large black hat (((CIA))) contingent.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2017 12:15 PM  

A conversation that will never, ever happen:

Leftist editor: Do a piece that slanders right-wing Group A by association with Horrible Person B.

Leftist journalist: Sorry, Chief, but Group A disavowed Horrible Person B months ago. It's right on top of their web site: "We reject Horrible Person B and all his works."

Leftist editor: Oh, well, never mind, can't do that then.

Blogger Student in Blue June 15, 2017 12:51 PM  

I've never felt the need for such amusement at anybody expense on this blog, as I also never see guys whining about losing all their females to Black Kingz. Ha!

Different sociosexual ranks of guys have different sociosexual concerns.

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2017 12:53 PM  

He told the BBC of a case two years ago where a female parishioner who had chosen to become male “didn’t think that God would know who he was and his new name having been baptized as a girl…”

Church of England Considers ‘Trans-Baptisms’ for Those Who Change Sex

https://heatst.com/world/church-of-england-considers-trans-baptisms-for-those-who-change-sex/

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 12:55 PM  

"A conversation that will never, ever happen"

absolutely correct. Indeed the one of the reasons for adopting the strategy was the fact that they were going to do it anyway. And as I said earlier in the thread... everything they say about spencer and us... is just repeating what they have always said about the GOP in previous years... and still say about the GOP.

I do think it is slightly more effective when there is a grain of truth to it. And there IS a grain of truth to it. We do have nazi-larpers... and we do have psycho alt-right retards.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 12:56 PM  

"Because he has a tendency for foot in mouth."

he is the strawman they don't have to bother to invent.

Anonymous Goldie Jonahburg June 15, 2017 1:06 PM  

"And there IS a grain of truth to it. We do have nazi-larpers... and we do have psycho alt-right retards."

Our only hope is remind everyone that Democrats Are The Real Nazis.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 1:25 PM  

'Our only hope is remind everyone that Democrats Are The Real Nazis.'

try to read and comprehend rather than just attempting to think of something pithy to say there Nancy. no one is saying that.

Blogger Rabbi B June 15, 2017 1:27 PM  

Quelle surprise.

What else do we expect is going to happen when more and more Christians/Churchians take their cues and insist on deriving their authority from the culture rather than the Word of God.

We find ourselves in the days of the Judges where everyone is doing what is right in their own eyes and there is a famine for the Word of the Lord. Unless we break up the fallow ground soon, it is going to be our undoing.

Blogger wrf3 June 15, 2017 1:40 PM  

VD wrote:As usual, you get even your own argument hopelessly wrong. Not only does that not support your answer, it weakens it. If God's Will was being done on Earth as it is in Heaven, there would be no need to pray for it.
Yesterday you used "guilt by association" as a response to one of my statements and today you use the beard fallacy. God's will is being done on Earth. The prayer is that it increase. An equivalent way to say the same thing is, "God, may your earthly Nation increase."
It doesn't assume anything.
Of course it does. Show me where a Christian gets a passport -- or some other physical symbol -- when they become a Christian.
Stop evading and answer the question. If you are a citizen of the material Kingdom of God, you will have to provide us the evidence of it.
What evidence would convince you? Jesus doesn't issue passports; I haven't been whipped or imprisoned for preaching the Gospel; the state hasn't yet asked me to affirm the authority of the state over Jesus. On the other hand, I've been commenting on your blog for years. If that's not enough, I'm not sure I have anything else to offer.
Otherwise, you might as convincingly inform us that you are a citizen of Mordor.
Why do I think that you would accept such a declaration without a quibble? Still, Mordor is a fictional place and Sauron a fictional leader. Heaven is not a fictional place and Jesus is not a fictional leader.

A line in the sand no more makes a nation than a building makes a holy place for God. I can understand the desire for zoning laws; one typically doesn't want strip clubs in one's neighborhood; it's nice having neighbors who don't make noise at night and keep their lawns mowed; people who don't leave cigarette burns in the pool furniture; and fine restaurants where prostitutes and tax collectors aren't allowed in.

The question is how Christians are to work toward that goal.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2017 1:43 PM  

And there IS a grain of truth to it. We do have nazi-larpers... and we do have psycho alt-right retards.

Everyone should have a pet. It's just too bad they can't be housebroken.

Blogger Phat Repat June 15, 2017 1:46 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:@Phat Repat: Whites hating whites may have more to do with identity than any self loathing suicide pact. The fact is there is no unified 'White' nation. No single 'White' identity.

Even in each European country there can be multiple identities. The people of Venice are not the same identity as the people of Naples. Prussian is not the same as Bavarian, though both are German.

Southern White isn't the same as New England White.


So you're effectively saying whites are screwed. I look at another white person and I don't ask myself where that white guy comes from. I have an expectation that this white guy will act in a civilized manner. And that is irrespective of their station in life. Should they prove otherwise, then I will deal with them accordingly. That's the point whites had better evolve to quickly or their continued existence is highly unlikely.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 1:50 PM  

Yesterday you used "guilt by association" as a response to one of my statements and today you use the beard fallacy. God's will is being done on Earth. The prayer is that it increase. An equivalent way to say the same thing is, "God, may your earthly Nation increase."

You're a ludicrously dishonest weasel. As usual.

Of course it does. Show me where a Christian gets a passport -- or some other physical symbol -- when they become a Christian.

You're still evading the question. As I said, you're a weasel.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2017 1:51 PM  

@wrf3
Stop sperging.
The original assertion (since deleted) was that, as citizens of The Kingdom of God, we were no longer citizens of Earthly nations.
That's simply, obviously, and tendentiously false. The question is not your personal citizenship in the Kingdom of God.
It's not about you.

Anonymous Didas Kalos June 15, 2017 1:53 PM  

For a church group with so many seminaries and universities the scriptural ignorance is astounding.

Anonymous Didas Kalos June 15, 2017 1:54 PM  

Elaborate?

Anonymous Didas Kalos June 15, 2017 1:57 PM  

EXACTLY

Anonymous Didas Kalos June 15, 2017 2:00 PM  

You know satan gloats over the ignorance.

Blogger Rabbi B June 15, 2017 2:02 PM  

If God's Will was being done on Earth as it is in Heaven, there would be no need to pray for it.

Vox isn't wrong. G-d's will for all of us is clearly revealed in the Scriptures, but that does not mean everyone on earth is walking lockstep in conformity with His will.

It was G-d's will to bless Abraham and Sarah with a son in their advanced age. It was not His will that they take matters into their own hands and use Hagar to bring this to pass.

The amazing mystery at work here, is that somehow G-d's will and G-d's plans prevail in spite of choices we may make that are clearly contrary to His will. We and others may suffer as a result of our poor choices, but that does not mean G-d's purposes and plans are thwarted.

Isaac was still born as G-d had promised and planned, and it was through Isaac, G-d's choice, the son of the promise, that G-d's plan for redemption was realized; whereas, the world is still reaping what Abraham sowed with Hagar, even today.

Somehow, some way, G-d has His way even though He is opposed by people who insist on rejecting His will for their lives to their own hurt.

Perhaps we could take a lesson from the pages of Job and what he learned from his ordeal:

Then Job replied to the Lord: “I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know..." (cf. Job 42)

Blogger DrAndroSF June 15, 2017 2:08 PM  

So VD is a Pelagian Arian?

Blogger Joe Doakes June 15, 2017 2:19 PM  

The Establishment Right is Mitch McConnell, a non-threatening timeserver.
The Alternative Right is Trump, who wants to drain the swamp.
Trump has cooties.
Cooties are bad.
The Southern Baptist Church condemns the Alt-Right.

Okay, ye, the conclusion logically derives from the steps; but are you sure the steps are correct?

Blogger tuberman June 15, 2017 2:26 PM  

167. Joe Doakes

"The Establishment Right is Mitch McConnell, a non-threatening timeserver."

Unfortunately, Mitch is a Globalist, and not as benign as you think, his Right Wing Globalism is just a slower growing cancer.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 15, 2017 2:31 PM  

So VD is a Pelagian Arian?

Yes, the best way forward is always to stick bloody useless little labels all over everything.

Blogger VD June 15, 2017 2:33 PM  

So VD is a Pelagian Arian?

Red Indian, actually.

Blogger ZhukovG June 15, 2017 2:40 PM  

@Phat Repat: We are not screwed and probably not in nearly as much danger as are our potential enemies. But we do have to be realistic. The various 'White' identities have throughout history fought each other at least as much as anyone else.

But they also ally with one another at times as well.

In 1870, the Hanoverians, Prussians, Bavarians, Saxons, etc. banded together to fight a common enemy, the French Empire under Emperor Louis Napoleon. After kicking French butt for a while these various identities realized they worked and played pretty well together. So they slapped a crown on Prussian King, Wilhelm I's head, called him Kaiser and the German Empire was born.

The point is just because we have different identities doesn't mean we won't work together when push comes to shove.

I believe the current American Union is doomed. But I also believe a new American Union will rise from the ashes of the old. But there's going to be a lot of very real ashes.

Blogger DrAndroSF June 15, 2017 2:59 PM  

Sorry if adjectives trigger you. You might take up the issue of "bloody useless little labels" with VD himself, since Pelagian is how he described his own position on his blog. Again, my apologies for upsetting you.

Blogger Wyndie June 15, 2017 3:00 PM  

Did you go to a Lutheran Missouri Synod or an NALC church?

Blogger tz June 15, 2017 3:01 PM  

The problem is that we've lost the definition of Christian in that the congregations are not merely all sheep, but now accept goats, wolves, bears, snakes, scorpions, spiders, and creatures described only in Revelation.

But there is a difference when a White raised Christian goes secularist or pagan - you still find them to oppose abortion and want to be left alone recreating a lesser but still a civilization. When other races return to their roots, it does something different. (I've commented on Asians that detest any improvement and innovation, I think it was the Tokogawa Shogunate that threw out the European missionaries and banned guns - which was correctly perceived to shatter the feudal caste structure).

The Alt-Right Christians demand adherence to true Christianity in common culture if not theological minutiae since they want Christendom and Western Civilization, but can tolerate if not welcome others who practice things that are eucivic.

I think that is the core that will do the new crusades, the reconquista II.

While not mentioned often, the Ozzy and Harriet, the Leave it to Beaver types went to church on Sunday and read the Bible.

There is a common vision (the Man in the High Castle ad comes to mind) of a nuclear family, hearth and home, of what the roles of mom and dad need to be. And that is not some merely white, or european, it is more specific. And you either want that end or not. The Alt-Right is more about fighting and winning that prize than about squabbling on the methods to get there.

Cuckservatism, Inc. is about the journey along the slowly descending good intention paved road to hell.

The Alt-Right seeks a different destination. And it is about the destination, not the journey.

OpenID dreadilkzee June 15, 2017 3:03 PM  

Nate wrote:"I honestly don't know what to say. They cherry picked one example (Richard Spenser) and basically use everything BUT Alt-right postings to say what the alt-right is."

This is not a surprise. We chose the strategy of not kicking our extremists out. We did so knowing they would use our extremists to label us all... and that is exactly what they are doing.



Yeah, I get it, but come one we have Jerry Falwell in the SBC. This ideas of "White Nationalism" was addressed with him in the first place as he has been advocating it for ever. He is way more polished than some members of the alt-right but he has always been race contentious. Spencer, even as our most extreme has not advocated anything as bad as the Black panthers.

I'm just very disappointed and frankly not sure what will happen with the SBC. I know of to many church members that are more aligned with Alt-right then this crap. This seems to hint at the same issues that happened in 2000 with the issue of homosexuality. I was just hoping that saner parts would speak. However it sounds as if there was no voice to counter the anti "Alt-right" narrative.

Blogger James June 15, 2017 3:13 PM  

"So VD is a Pelagian Arian?"

Why does that sound like an Arian who swims in the deep ocean waters?

Blogger tuberman June 15, 2017 3:16 PM  

My parents were lower-middle class working people from the WWII generation, and they certainly looked at themselves as somewhat Christian,yet definitely having many socialist ideals. Christianity, on an over simplistic level has socialism built into it as my fascist Japanese friend had suggested. Forget deep studies, the surface level "Good Samaritainism" has a strong socialist appeal to the surface skaters. I'm part way convinced that the Christian Church's egalitarianism in Roman times added to the fall of Roman Civilization. Giambattista Vico's "New Science of History" published in 1725, strongly suggests that egalitarianism (or 'here comes everybody') created Roman's fall. This happened as the Christian population of Rome grew.

This is not an attack on VD or his Christian belief, as I feel they are necessary to retain Western Civilization. Yet on a shallow level there is a socialist/globalist appeal that appears to many, many people to be the ideal Christianity.

In the end, the Identitarian Politics of the Left that will push those shallow ideals into a hole.

Blogger James June 15, 2017 3:23 PM  

One important limit to Christian so-called "socialism" would have to be the commandment against stealing. If Christian's can't steal it, they can't redistribute it. Ephesians 4:28 says this:
Eph 4:28 Let him that STOLE STEAL no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

It ought to be clear that the Biblical and Christian teaching is that we work honestly to produce things of value to support not only our selves but also those who are unable to do the same. And since the Lord loves a cheerful giver, there is no provision for confiscating and redistributing anyone's wealth at any time for any reason, at least not consistent with the morality of Christian leadership, which is supposed to be unlike the way the gentiles do it, and instead the greatest amongst the Christians is supposed to be the servant of all, not the confiscator and redistributor of all.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2017 3:26 PM  

"I'm just very disappointed and frankly not sure what will happen with the SBC. "

I wouldn't count the SBC out. What group has been more successful at battling the Entryists and SJWs than they have?

The fact that they lost a little ground is no reason to abandon them in the fight.

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2017 3:30 PM  

Gods omniscience does not equate to Gods will. Gods will, will be done. But not everything that is done, is Gods will.

Falling back into Babelism/Globalism is not Gods will, but Gods foreknowledge.

Blogger James Dixon June 15, 2017 3:40 PM  

> Stop sperging.

That's even more hopeless than expecting it from me. But it is the core of the problem, yes.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2017 4:01 PM  

Pelagian Arian, what's next, the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, a time of high adventure?

Blogger SouthRon June 15, 2017 4:09 PM  

Nate, thanks for your supportive comments on this.

We were right in the middle of joining a little country church with a bunch of folks we really like and it turns out it's SBC. Then, this all came out last week.

Now we'll see if they'll abide a couple that drinks. We had no idea the SBC was dry and has been for a century. Lord knows all the Southern Baptists I've known were drinkers.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing June 15, 2017 4:29 PM  

I think of the Trinity in terms of a fractal image. God the Father is the primary and largest pattern, God the Son is the secondary pattern, and God the Spirit is the tertiary pattern. Humans can only focus on one at a time. But they are all One and the same.

Blogger GK Chesterton June 15, 2017 5:01 PM  

@Cowheard,

"I have always seen the Trinity as describing three ways that men can experience God. It's the same God, whether you are experiencing the Father, Son or Holy Spirit. "

This would be considered the Modalist Heresy. The one thing I like about Vox is he has actually thought this through. And having been a former anti-Trinitarian I can appreciate his position.

@VD,

I'd actually like to see a debate between you and Joe Carter. I think Carter is a naturally nice guy trying to do what is right. And you come off as much more likable in your debates than in written form (my guess is because your laughter doesn't translate to writing well). Carter while nice is not an intellectual giant and I think he got his place at First Things mainly because he was a competent batman that got promoted after Richard Neuhaus died. I find Neuhaus towards his death much more "alt-righty" (though I'm sure he would have denied it) than Carter ever has been.

A debate with you two I think would only be good for the cause because it would show that you could be civil with a recognized nice guy and handily beat him.

Blogger James June 15, 2017 5:52 PM  

Uh, guys, the doctrine of the "Trinity" is not supposed to be "understood." The "Trinity" is a word that is used to describe the apparent phenomenon of Jesus being called the "Son" of God, and Jesus calling His Father, "Father," and taking into account the "Holy Ghost" which nobody can possibly get a handle on because He is like the wind rustling in the trees. I think it is unrealistic to suppose that our tiny little minds are going to comprehend the Godhead any better than that until we stand face to face with Them.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2017 8:07 PM  

Cuckservative christians are useless.
The alt-right is going to bring back Crusaders.

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2017 8:18 PM  

Dr. Michael Heiser: The Trinity in the Hebrew Bible

https://youtu.be/Hz8J4DTIkEg

Trinitarian Jewish Thinking Before Jesus

http://drmsh.com/trinitarian-jewish-thinking-before-jesus/

"Trinity"

http://drmsh.com/?s=trinity

It is up to you to come to your own conclusion. Note James, it is not some super-duper spiritual secret that can not be known, or found out.

Blogger Desiderius June 15, 2017 8:55 PM  

"Carter is a naturally nice guy"

Jesus isn't.

Anonymous Veritas June 15, 2017 9:18 PM  

Yawn, more inanane inconsistency from a persona non grata.

If Vox is a "Red Indian" then he's a traitor to his own race, and just proves what a joke the non-existent "white nationalist" movement is, if they'll accept mud people like him into their movement, genetics be damned, so long as they regurgitate their rhetoric.

If anything it just shows how much like the "trans rights" nonsense, how solipsistic and anti-reality the movement is - facts don't matter, you can be a mud person and still be a white nationalist if you "feel like" you're white enough, ha ha.

Reality is Vox is just an impotent little worm, who would be more likely to be taken out and shot for being a degenerate than he would be accepted in any actual cultural conservative nation - as in strong family cultures, those freaks who fantasize about brutalizing their women like the Marquis de Sade would've had to fear retribution from a father or brother, and would've been far more at risk for doing so than they would in a decadent society in which family culture is dissolved.

Trump himself openly condemend Richard Spencer and the mythical "alt right", yet Cox Gay still tongue's Trump's asshole, so it definitely appears that Vox and the handful of celler-dwellers who look up to him are indeed the cucks - Trump can fuck them at every turn, and they'll still look up to him as some type of mythical savior from their self-created ills.

The reality though is that Vox, much like the most pathetic of the SJW movement who've even stooped to declaring their own kin like Laci Green "white supremacists" for stepping out of line, is just continuing to marginalize himself into non-existence.

Anonymous Veritas June 15, 2017 9:25 PM  

For that matter, Trump's already revealed himself to be yet another member of that "globalist conspiracy" by initiating military action in Syria among other decisions, yet the fact that Trump has "cheated" on their ilk doesn't stop Vox and the other alt-right twits from coming back to him for love, proving that they indeed, are the only cucks in town.

The reality anyway is that, globalism, at least on an organic cultural scale, as opposed to globalism by fiat as fantasized by Marx and progressives, is inevitable, and the cultural shifts behind it are of course the impetus for the cultural evolution of humans from primitive tribesman into glorious states like Rome, and spread of the Christian faith.

Yes, all those wonderful little facets of "Western Civilization" that Red Man here diddles himself over were indeed globalism.

The reality is if Vox and his kind won't accept reality and roll with the tide then all they're succeed in doing is rendering themselves evolutionary dead ends and become nothing more than a passing note in a history book at best, completely forgotten at worst.

Blogger Phat Repat June 15, 2017 9:27 PM  

@ZhukovG Though we might have a different perspective, we certainly agree that there will be significant strife in the not too distant future. I also believe 'we' will come together, but I will most certainly feel disdain for some (many?) that I am forced to fight with/for.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2017 9:45 PM  

Wow, clean up on aisle Cuck.

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Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2017 10:15 PM  

@69 Ominous Cowherd
I have always seen the Trinity as describing three ways that men can experience God. It's the same God, whether you are experiencing the Father, Son or Holy Spirit.
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I have had this idea about it where it says we are made in the image of God.

So if we have a body, soul, and spirit, then maybe that is what the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are - the body, soul, and spirit of God?

I really don't know.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2017 10:21 PM  

@90 Solaire Of Astora
The trinity is arbitrary anyway. No one ever talks about how the holy spirit is described as 7 spirits in revelation.
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A rabbit hole I have dived into many times

Blogger Thucydides June 15, 2017 10:35 PM  

Push the Alt-Lite and Alt-West memes and see how much more like pretzels their "logic" becomes.

Blogger SouthRon June 15, 2017 10:44 PM  

Getting OT, but I believe the 7 Spirits before the throne in Revelation 1 align with the 7 lamps of the candlestick in Exodus 25 and are listed in Isaiah 11, "the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD".

I could go further, but that really would be diving down the rabbit hole.

Blogger James June 16, 2017 10:04 AM  

I claim not to fully understand the Trinity the same way I do not fully understand other things like Pre-destination. I don't fully understand how God balances predestining the saved whilst still requiring us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. I sort of get it, hey, just like seeing through a glass, darkly, but I do not expect to really get it until I'm standing there face to face with The Predestinator. I get the idea of the Trinity enough to accept it on faith without worrying about the complicated details. My point is really only about my annoyance with people who are too smart for their own good trying to argue about the "Substance" of the "Godhead." I'm not impressed by those discussions.

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