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Monday, June 05, 2017

The vanishing male college student

Pretty soon there will be no one left to claim fake-raped 4 out of 5 college women:
Whatever the reason, enrollment data show men are becoming less of a presence on college campuses both in Colorado and across the United States.

A higher percentage of Colorado’s female high school graduates than male graduates were enrolled in college from 2009 through 2015, according to state records. In 2015, 61.2 percent of Colorado’s recent female high school graduates attended college in the fall, compared to 51.8 percent of male graduates, according to the Colorado Department of Higher Education.

A similar trend is occurring nationally. Although more people than ever are attending college, the ratio of male to female students is nearly 1:2. Compare that to 1960, when there were 1.6 males for every female graduating from a U.S. four-year college and 1.55 males for every female undergraduate, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Today, women hold almost 60 percent of all bachelor degrees, and women now account for almost half of students in law, medical and business graduate programs.
This is socially disastrous and societally dysgenic, as it not only demonstrates the declining value of a college degree, but due to hypergamy, functionally sentences half of the USA's most intelligent women to barren celibacy. Women always tend to drive men out of previously male occupations, and education is no exception.

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Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 05, 2017 4:39 PM  

Women go where the men are, and then they drive the men away.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 05, 2017 4:41 PM  

"Tell them there's a club they can't be a part of, and they'll beat the door down trying to get in."

Frank Sinatra

Anonymous JAG June 05, 2017 4:41 PM  

Young men are Going Galt. "A Day Without _____" is going to get a real test if things don't change, and not just for a day, or even a year. This will be for a generation.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 05, 2017 4:42 PM  

Curious if anyone is going to bother to do a study on how much of this has to do with those gender and race boxes on the application.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the white males who are both qualified and interested in going to college are purposely not being selected to make room for women and racial minorities that otherwise would not be academically qualified. I do not think that accounts for all of the disparity but it certainly is a significant contributing factor.

Blogger tublecane June 05, 2017 4:43 PM  

"Whatever the reason"

The reason: college is chickified. Except for careers where the academic track basically is the career track, it's not worth the money. Those lines of work for which college is most important are chickified. As far as college relates to higher culture, or what passes for high culture, high culture has been chickified.

There's a sexual Gresham's law. Despite the existence if exceptionally excellent females, most women are very mediocre. As a funny book I once read put it, we live in a Mediocracy. Especially in higher education, social conformity is strict, and women are much, much better at working that than men.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 05, 2017 4:44 PM  

Rape will still be a Very Serious Problem. Chicago and NYC still blame guns for their crime problems.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 05, 2017 4:45 PM  

@4 The correct thing to do is to say you're African-American. "Straight Outta Olduvai Gorge, Mutha****a!"

Blogger Salt June 05, 2017 4:47 PM  

Hopefully the men are hitting the trade schools. When the crash comes it'll be the men who do what needs be done. The Universities can suck women's studies wind.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 05, 2017 4:49 PM  

Trade schools need to be looking into engineering programs.

Blogger Matt June 05, 2017 4:49 PM  

By shit testing every man there. Unfortunately, todays universities are run by beta boy bitchlibs.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 05, 2017 4:52 PM  

When it is common knowledge and broadcast by every part of the media, that white heterosexual males are unwelcome, undesirable, deplorable, politically incorrect, and unlikely to get past the first interview....I am actually surprised that ANY bother or make an effort. The fact that there are still white male heterosexuals who still try to get into higher education and graduate, without an athletic scholarship, is either proof that there are no jobs open to them or they will try in spite of the odds.
Want to know what is really stupid? A white heterosexual male trying to go to school in a technical field.....engineering, sciences, math, or computer science. They MUST know, they are already locked out of these fields in the workplace by foreign grads and women and minorities. Pointless.

Anonymous User June 05, 2017 4:58 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:When it is common knowledge and broadcast by every part of the media, that white heterosexual males are unwelcome, undesirable, deplorable, politically incorrect, and unlikely to get past the first interview....I am actually surprised that ANY bother or make an effort. The fact that there are still white male heterosexuals who still try to get into higher education and graduate, without an athletic scholarship, is either proof that there are no jobs open to them or they will try in spite of the odds.

Want to know what is really stupid? A white heterosexual male trying to go to school in a technical field.....engineering, sciences, math, or computer science. They MUST know, they are already locked out of these fields in the workplace by foreign grads and women and minorities. Pointless.


Not entirely true. While only about 10-20% of the work force in your average large corporation does any real work, the majority of those that do are delta white males. The diversity hires get the sinecures.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 05, 2017 5:02 PM  

Truth be told, it has always been hard to keep young men in school. Girls by nature are far more attracted to institutional learning, and the hierarchal social nature of these things. Now the problem is even worse as every institution has become quite feminized and even more off-putting to the boys.

Every avenue meant to "make a man out of ya", from scouting to men's colleges to the armed forces, is turning off the males. The War On Boys is very real.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 05, 2017 5:02 PM  

Women have not made it into most engineering areas yet.

In 30 some years of working I have never met a competent female hardware engineer. They just do not seem to show any interest, if the females I have known are any indication.

I suspect for the most part Engineering will remain a male bastion.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 05, 2017 5:04 PM  

Just as pure wild speculation, wouldn't driving men out likely accelerate the impending college bubble collapse ?

Blogger Gary Eden June 05, 2017 5:05 PM  

It is quite possible this will spell the end of credation as a credible indicator of high value marriage material.

Women go where the guys are. If men, especially desirable men, cease going to college women will start looking elsewhere.

How much longer before college student is seen as a DLV in men?

Anonymous Orville June 05, 2017 5:06 PM  

Yeah, the gal's relentless long years in the lab, and fanatical singleminded pursuit for the cure for cancer or whatever is a sure thing. Just ask Elizabeth Holmes of Theranus.

Blogger S. Misanthrope June 05, 2017 5:07 PM  

And what percentage of the males who are left are gay or otherwise ineligible as mates? (Foreign, etc.)

Educational collapse may come much sooner than I'd hoped.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 05, 2017 5:10 PM  

Elizabeth Holmes says some blindingly stupid shit that people on LinkedIn eat up because she's a LinkedIn influencer and wears black turtlenecks.

Anonymous Clueless Cuckservative June 05, 2017 5:11 PM  

But...but...but...muh strong, educated, independent women!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 05, 2017 5:12 PM  

I am now encouraging the younger people I know to avoid college if they're not pursuing a degree that leads directly to a license or certification.

One girl I know who just graduated is interested in game design, and I'm telling her she should self-study C++, Unreal, and Unity and get some successful, real-world game design experience even if it's unpaid. But she's made up her mind to go for the degree in game design, where she probably won't even use a game design engine for at least a few years.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 05, 2017 5:13 PM  

Gary Eden wrote:It is quite possible this will spell the end of credation as a credible indicator of high value marriage material.

Women go where the guys are. If men, especially desirable men, cease going to college women will start looking elsewhere.


I very seriously doubt that. What will happen is that girls on the whole will continue to accrue degrees and "improve themselves." And then they'll refuse to marry down below their station. They'll do carousel and career into spinsterhood rather than trade down. Complaining every step of the way about how there aren't any suitable men for them. That's what they're already doing.

Vox is dead-on 100%. It's highly, highly dysgenic.

Anonymous Orville June 05, 2017 5:13 PM  

Group-think 403 and the post-grad thesis on "Feelz in Gender Normative Accounting".

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 05, 2017 5:15 PM  

I can't help but wonder if the numbers have been massaged slightly.

Okay, I know the raw data is accurate but how much of today's female student body wouldn't have been going to college at all thirty to forty years ago?

When I was going to college, you couldn't get a student loan unless you were authentically poor as a church mouse OR you could prove that you had lived on your own for four years.

When Bill Clinton rescinded those restrictions universities introduced programs for illiterate students.

I suspect (but don't know for certain) that it is these stupid female students that are accounting for this increase in raw numbers.

Certainly when I was in Marine Corps Recruiting Command, I saw the college recruiters going out of their way to attract them.

It was almost like watching a pimp trying to turn a girl out. Baby, baby, I takes good good care yo' cause yo' extra special ta me. Yo' want nice room? I give you extra nice room! Yo' want travel? Shi-i-i-i-t I make that happen for yo' no problem. Yo' just come work for me. I take yo' fer life.

Does this working for you thing involve student loan debt? Because I heard that was undischargable.

Bitch! Yo' breath about that to 'nother bitch, I kick yo' ass so hard it break yo' jaw!!!

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2017 5:16 PM  

tublecane wrote:Except for careers where the academic track basically is the career track, it's not worth the money.

I'd say the paychecks in academia don't really cover the student debt you'll have by the time you get your PhD.

``Pretty soon there will be no one left to claim fake-raped 4 out of 5 college women:

As the Complementarians say, women will be forced to step up and do what weak, cowardly men won't.

Weak men spoil feminism.

Anonymous BBGKB June 05, 2017 5:16 PM  

interested in going to college are purposely not being selected to make room for women and racial minorities that otherwise would not be academically qualified

The Asian lawsuit against Harvard showed that if you went to an all white high school at least half of your class could get a free ride to Harvard if they claimed to have a vagina of color.

Girls by nature are far more attracted to institutional learning, and the hierarchal social nature of these things

More like they would love to sit in endless meetings without doing any real work.

Anonymous Orville June 05, 2017 5:16 PM  

@22 plenty of room for the tradesman cad to add gigolo to his list of services. Needs will find ways to be met.

Anonymous Scott June 05, 2017 5:18 PM  

@19. That's funny.

It's like she's taking Steve Job's mock turtlenecks to the next level.

Blogger Azimus June 05, 2017 5:23 PM  

3. JAG June 05, 2017 4:41 PM
Young men are Going Galt. "A Day Without _____" is going to get a real test if things don't change, and not just for a day, or even a year. This will be for a generation.


While on the surface, the feelgoodz of "that'll show 'em!" might make it tempting, we already have a real-world example of what this looks like: Africa.

Blogger KBuff June 05, 2017 5:25 PM  

All four of my kids (two male, two female) have either graduated or are attending the University of Colorado, three of them being engineering majors. After attending several university-level and department-level ceremonies, I've come to the conclusion that the College of Engineering is one of the most converged organizations on campus. From thinly veiled negative references to Trump, to unsupported assertions that a diverse team is more productive than a highly qualified one, no wonder you see fewer white males attending school there.

Blogger Alexandros June 05, 2017 5:25 PM  

I would argue that college isn't currently designed to appeal to intelligent people, even intelligent women. I just graduated; the level of sheer idiocy is well beyond even the most humorous stories you may have heard about SJW's. We are talking Darlene from Confederacy of Dunces levels of airhead. To put this into perspective The sjw types are often the 'smart' examples.

Let that sink in.

Blogger Jew613 June 05, 2017 5:26 PM  

I think men are looking at college and making a rational choice. $80,000 to be unemployable is a bad deal, you can do that for free.

Even trade schools cost money. Apprenticeships through a union are the way to go. Getting paid while your learning seems like a good deal to me.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 05, 2017 5:27 PM  

Scott,

She reminds me of the ancient master in the Ben Stiller superhero movie. "You must master your fears, or your fears will become your master".

One of the dumbest things I ever heard her say was " If you have a backup plan you're already admitting to failure".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 05, 2017 5:30 PM  

@30
University of Colorado ... converged

That's the uni in Boulder, right?
Boulder "Berkeley of the Rockies" Colorado?

Blogger Alexandros June 05, 2017 5:31 PM  

Jew613 wrote:I think men are looking at college and making a rational choice. $80,000 to be unemployable is a bad deal, you can do that for free.

Even trade schools cost money. Apprenticeships through a union are the way to go. Getting paid while your learning seems like a good deal to me.


The problem is that parents and kids who pay their own way aren't informed that these are even an option. Parents are actually very receptive if they hear the message, but not enough people who have audiences are willing to tell the truth on it.

Stupid kids like me who pay their own way will ignore it because we're more easily susceptible to the pressures of culture, but it doesn't help that we don't hear the message until it's far too late.

Blogger August June 05, 2017 5:36 PM  

They ought to pay me to go back. I guess the larger institutions just see their huge endowments and imagine it will let them skate through anything, but if your alumni aren't having children, then they won't be sending their children to college...

Anonymous Looking Glass June 05, 2017 5:37 PM  

Before we go too far, while I haven't checked the numbers in a few years, generally speaking, the roughly same percentage of Men are going to college as have since the early 90s. There isn't necessarily a downtick in male college attendance, but a massive upswing in female attendance.

Would need to check recent data to see if it still holds, but I highly doubt it's dropped much, if at all. This is really about flooding schools with Women that can't do the work.

Blogger KBuff June 05, 2017 5:38 PM  

Yep. That's the one. Things have changed a bit since I went to school there. We had a few crazy engineering professors back in the day, but that mindset is now official college policy.

Blogger LonestarWhacko June 05, 2017 5:38 PM  

Essential trades are the way to go. Electrician, Plumber, A/C. Something that isn't easily roboticized. Handyman....thing is, you want t a trade people HAVE to pay.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 05, 2017 5:46 PM  

"This is socially disastrous and societally dysgenic, as it not only demonstrates the declining value of a college degree, but due to hypergamy, functionally sentences half of the USA's most intelligent women to barren celibacy. Women always tend to drive men out of previously male occupations, and education is no exception."

Possibly... but amusingly enough, and for whatever reasons, it appears that the dumber races are more likely to have women graduate college. Black females get over 60% of the degrees awarded to blacks. Hispanic females also get higher than the female average, despite the fact that Hispanic males outnumber females significantly.

On the downside, this means lots and lots of crabby, barren NAM women manning the Democrat Party in the decades ahead.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2017 5:46 PM  

August wrote:They ought to pay me to go back. I guess the larger institutions just see their huge endowments and imagine it will let them skate through anything, but if your alumni aren't having children, then they won't be sending their children to college...

If you have fewer students, you can spend more of that huge endowment on administration. Alumni not having children may be a feature rather than a bug.

Anonymous JAG June 05, 2017 5:47 PM  

Azimus wrote:3. JAG June 05, 2017 4:41 PM

Young men are Going Galt. "A Day Without _____" is going to get a real test if things don't change, and not just for a day, or even a year. This will be for a generation.


While on the surface, the feelgoodz of "that'll show 'em!" might make it tempting, we already have a real-world example of what this looks like: Africa.


I wasn't advocating for it, just calling it like I see it.

Also, it won't be Africa because the inherent IQ average will be far higher. It won't be a picnic, but it won't be Africa either.

Blogger Quadko June 05, 2017 5:47 PM  

Men make the best home chefs. I don't know why women even try, they need to stay out of the kitchen and let a man work his unique excellence in peace.

Blogger tuberman June 05, 2017 5:48 PM  

22.

"I very seriously doubt that. What will happen is that girls on the whole will continue to accrue degrees and "improve themselves." And then they'll refuse to marry down below their station. They'll do carousel and career into spinsterhood rather than trade down. Complaining every step of the way about how there aren't any suitable men for them. That's what they're already doing."

Yep, already heavily going on. They will also be miserable script pill addicts and/or drunks by middle age.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti June 05, 2017 5:49 PM  

Vox made an oblique reference to this, but the idea that 60% of any segment of the general population (except maybe 60% of people with IQs over 115) belong in the university system is absolute insanity. Just totally bonkers.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti June 05, 2017 5:50 PM  

On the downside, this means lots and lots of crabby, barren NAM women manning the Democrat Party in the decades ahead.

How is this a bad thing? It's accelerationist catnip.

Anonymous Faceless June 05, 2017 5:52 PM  

This is all for female spiteful envy of those men who returned with broken bones and PTSD, and so got college paid for by Uncle Sam in exchange for their spent youth, right? WWII, Korea, Vietnam - huge spike in male college enrollment - so the girls want all the privileges with none of the costs. For this they upended our education system from the bottom up: they spent the 1980s rewriting all "he" to "she" and trying to replace every hero with a cargo cult heroine; they spent the 1990s turning everything quantitative into a qualitative expository writing course; and then they spent the noughts making everything a sexual inquisition. It's not worth it worrying about the women who will be hardest hit when this crashes, but it should make a man of granite cry to contemplate how much knowledge has been cast aside for feelz.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs June 05, 2017 6:00 PM  

Question: are fewer men actually attending college? Or is the number of women attending increasing? For example, are the numbers of STEM students (largely men) changing? I presume that not too many men would study the useless twaddle taught in arts colleges.

Anonymous Scott June 05, 2017 6:01 PM  

Stg58,

I was thinking like Demi Moore from "A Few Good Men" - attractive, but knowing something from the land of galatically stupid is coming out of her mouth.

Anonymous Rikko June 05, 2017 6:02 PM  

The spirit of Eve it seems is alive and well.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 05, 2017 6:03 PM  

But guess what folks... ITs still more important to educate males than females and males are going to be as always the vital and dynamic element in an advancing workforce.

So neglect them all you want, society will pay for this foolishness.

Blogger RobertT June 05, 2017 6:05 PM  

Haven't you heard? Google commoditized knowledge and education when they put all the world's knowledge on your phone, just a click away. The Susskinds (two of them anyway) explored this topic in their book "Future of Professions." Just as well, most professionals aren't worth the paper their credentials are printed on. The big separater has always been that kind of grey haired experience it takes decades to develop.

Blogger Otto Lamp June 05, 2017 6:05 PM  

Government pushing credentialism makes not having a piece of paper harder.

If a company hires a white male without a degree over a minority with a degree, it is considered evidence of discrimination.

It doesn't matter what the degree is in, or how much experience either has. A person with a college degree is considered (according to the government) to be a superior job candidate.

Anonymous Steveo June 05, 2017 6:09 PM  

That's why I'm designing cat doors & nooks into my tiny homes, taupe-lavender-seafoam paint, cute kitchen, big bathroom & a queen murphy bed (memory foam so it never forgets the faceless overnighters)...

oh and window boxes on the small porch. My marketing guy wants me to use gay carpenters, but I won't do that. Potential names: Havitall Tiny Homes, Peace Tiny Homes, Big Life Tiny Homes.

The carpenters want "Bitches be crazy".

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2017 6:09 PM  

Otto Lamp wrote:A person with a college degree is considered (according to the government) to be a superior job candidate.

Or overqualified. I've been over-qualified out of some pretty good industrial jobs.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 05, 2017 6:09 PM  

Girls by nature are far more attracted to institutional learning, and the hierarchal social nature of these things

More like they would love to sit in endless meetings without doing any real work.

Okay, when did you stop being gay?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2017 6:14 PM  

Steveo wrote:That's why I'm designing cat doors & nooks into my tiny homes ... Potential names: Havitall Tiny Homes, Peace Tiny Homes, Big Life Tiny Homes.

Didn't tiny homes used to be called park trailers? Didn't the places that made room for them used to be called trailer parks? Are you saying that Cat Ladies are the new trailer trash?

Steveo wrote:My marketing guy wants me to use gay carpenters, but I won't do that.
...
The carpenters want "Bitches be crazy".


Should have gone with the marketing guy's suggestion.

Blogger LonestarWhacko June 05, 2017 6:15 PM  

Going Galt, MGTOW.....same thing. Hard truth is that women here in the States divorce a lot. Lots of young men see that, and decide they'll pass.

Going into a trade, serving in an apprenticeship, you'll come out way ahead. Here's the thing, though.....you have to be humble, and put up with a lot. Work at something fairly nasty.....fewer women.

Anonymous Rikko June 05, 2017 6:17 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Girls by nature are far more attracted to institutional learning, and the hierarchal social nature of these things

More like they would love to sit in endless meetings without doing any real work.

Okay, when did you stop being gay?


Women seek the comfort of consensus and find themselves drawn towards the loudest voice in the room whereas men on average prefer the anarchy of an open forum of ideas. The feminization of our learning institutions is doing immense damage to the intellectual capital of our societies.

Anonymous Steveo June 05, 2017 6:20 PM  

@57 Not trailer parks, co-ops baby. That's where the money is, it's a community of uppities who are allowed to vote out the cowgirl. But yeah, the cats are happy.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 05, 2017 6:20 PM  

Even in the early 90's, college had become the thing everybody does after high school, rather than a means to achieve any definitive goal. Sure, everybody was sold the "college grads make more money" line (without any reference to the value of any specific degree), but mostly it became a social phenomenon, and we all know how much more social the ladies are!


On the downside, this means lots and lots of crabby, barren NAM women manning the Democrat Party in the decades ahead.

So no change there.


Just ask Elizabeth Holmes of Theranus.

Has she started on her second chance yet? She could do a double act with Kathy Griffin called "Don't Let An Utter Lack of Ability Keep You From Achieving Your Dreams!".

Blogger Weouro June 05, 2017 6:24 PM  

A lot of it because women are getting more degrees in underwater basket weaving. When i look back, i got an english degree from a public university with relatively little debt and it was useless in terms of being productive. Spending a year starting my own trucking operation has been way more stressful, rewarding and educational. If i had gone into debt in my early 20s for a business I know I would be way better off now. The most important part is to have skin in the game.

Blogger bosscauser June 05, 2017 6:29 PM  

Well.... what's wrong with better educated secretaries?

Want a good living. No diploma? Drive a truck.
Hell, get a truck driving wife and make over hundred grand a year..

And, live on the truck buy a house with cash...
I did!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous A Professor June 05, 2017 6:29 PM  

University professor here, about to get out of academia after many years. I've been asked to give advice this summer to a group of young Christians who want to go to university. The counselor told me, "Please avoid platitudes. Tell them the truth."

The truth is, most of them should probably avoid university. Many of them won't have what it takes to be academically successful. The rest may have what it takes, but what are they going to get out of a university education? Unless they go into engineering or the hard sciences, all they’ll get is mandatory progressive groupthink propaganda and the joy of life squashed out of them. They won’t avoid that in STEM, but at least they’ll get marketable skills along with the brainwashing and despair.

I don’t know who gets the worst of it, men or women. Women will almost certainly lose their virtue, if they had it to begin with, and get advanced training in becoming bitter and blaming everyone else for their imagined problems. Men will be told they are the source of all great evil in the world while risking accusations of rape, abuse, and harassment. Most students can’t afford to pay for this on their own, so they’ll either go into ruinous debt or get their parents to pour tens of thousands of dollars out of their inheritance to facilitate it. (University used to be somewhat affordable. Now it's not, because those extra tuition dollars are paying for a bloated bureaucracy that doesn't improve student outcomes one bit.)

Twenty years ago, I would've told these hopeful young people to go for it, with gusto. What will I tell them this summer? I don't know. I'm still very much in favor of education, but can a person get one in university anymore? I suppose, if he chooses his school and major carefully. And for some lines of work, a formal degree is still necessary.

I will probably tell them to think long and hard about what their goals in life are. If they are on a concrete career trajectory that requires a degree and it will be financially worthwhile, then do it, I guess, but be prepared for the mandatory nonsense that goes with it. If not, avoid it.

Blogger Out of Nod June 05, 2017 6:30 PM  

It probably doesn't help that the school departments offer more financial aid to women.

Example, I recently visited my alma matter in an effort to gain some letters of recommendation for a graduates degree program. My former advisor asked if I would give money to the scholarship fund. After digging for more information I found out that this scholarship was only for women. On top of that, this was for the Computer Science department.

They won't receive a penny...

Blogger No White Guilt June 05, 2017 6:41 PM  

Thank you for broaching this topic, Vox.
A few of my thoughts—men are foregoing college because:
Prior to college, authorities in high schoolers’ lives encourage girls and nonwhites to pursue higher education, whereas white boys are not encouraged. White boys interrupt the disparity as discouragement at worst and indifference at best on the part of their authorities.
Women’s speech and behavior controls, both of which dominate colleges, are too oppressive for most men.
Women’s obsessive concern for feelings over facts at college baffles and enrages most men.
White men are inhibited, unable to share their thoughts, concerns, needs, etc., at college.
In general, college has been made comfortable for women and nonwhites and uncomfortable for white males.
College has become dangerous for white men as many women conspire (with the authority of the university, city and state governments, and media) to destroy them, assassinating their reputations, etc.
White men realize that they can be legally and illegally discriminated against on the basis of their race in admittance to university, grant and loan allowances, employment, promotion, etc. So why bother incur the debt?
Finally, college education is blatantly antiwhite. White males are the scapegoat and the source of unifying ire for the multiracial student body. What sane white male would subject himself to that?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2017 6:45 PM  

Steveo wrote:@57 Not trailer parks, co-ops baby. That's where the money is ...

Yuppie trailer parks! I like it. I wonder if the target demographic is dense enough in my neck of the woods yet. I'm guessing it's something like single, 60 and income below median family? It sounds to be as if this would be a relatively inexpensive way to develop some property.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 05, 2017 6:49 PM  

What percentage of college attendees are white versus non-white?

What percentage of the 51.8% graduating high-schoolers that go to college are white?

What overall percentage of highschool populations are white?

Of the overall population of college students, what percentage are directly out of high school? What percentage are non-traditionals?

What types of "college" make up the total sample? Are we talking about U of Phoenix types and other for-profits that nomnomnom on older "job re-training" students?

While I agree that the sex skew happens, I would need to see the stats behind the study before panic.

Blogger Days of Broken Arrows June 05, 2017 6:56 PM  

Beyond the male-female implications (which we all discussed on Alpha Game), there's also the fact that we're now going to have to deal with more and more female "professionals." Part of the reason my marriage ended was my wife's insistence on going to a female "doctor" who led her down the path of disaster and disability. And that's just one example out of about 10.

Anonymous BluePony June 05, 2017 7:03 PM  

"In 30 some years of working I have never met a competent female hardware engineer. They just do not seem to show any interest, if the females I have known are any indication."

Hard to say with just anecdotes. I work with three women engineers. Two are excellent hardware designers (FPGA work especially, which is at its root hardware design) for satcom projects. The third codes up enormous Java applications in Linux for testing avionics systems, and is in high demand at all times.

All three are Asian, BTW. Cute, too.

Anonymous BBGKB June 05, 2017 7:04 PM  

If you have a black/brown vagina with a 90IQ Harvard will give you a free ride but share a meme and they will revoke admission

"Harvard Revokes Admissions From Students Who Shared Insensitive Memes"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-revokes-admissions-students-insensitive-104427003.html

More like they would love to sit in endless meetings without doing any real work.

Okay, when did you stop being gay?


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Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2017 7:10 PM  

bosscauser wrote:Want a good living. No diploma? Drive a truck.
Not any more. Friend of mine just quit the trucking business after 3 million miles. Got tired of the trucking companies getting bought out by incipient monopolies, the government driving down wages with subsidized training programs for women, immigrants and didnus, and no increase in income in the last 10 years.

Blogger Peter Jackson June 05, 2017 7:11 PM  

College admissions should be based solely on anonymized data of standard test scores and high school class rank.

As it is now, it's nothing more than a smoke and mirrors process meant to ensure your white male kid doesn't get in.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project (still on kindle!) June 05, 2017 7:23 PM  

RobertT: "Haven't you heard? Google commoditized knowledge and education when they put all the world's knowledge on your phone, just a click away."

I've somehow never forgotten this comment from the generalized print vs. ebook debate a while ago (April 30th):

"This stuns me. Take a deep breath and everything will soon be back to normal. It'll be cold day in hell when I willingly give up my ability to buy any ebook that exists from Amazon and have it in 15 seconds. This is a big deal. Horse & buggy were fine in their day, but I don't yearn to give them a try today."

I find something offensive in the glib insinuation that people should 'hold their breath' until the desire to read print is somehow extirpated from our spine-cracking souls. I mean, people still shop for CANDLES. You go knock yourself out with your kindle, but you can take my Everyman's Library hardback Divine Comedy--OR my Penguin Classics Dhammapada-- when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

But this unbidden googleolatry above confirms my suspicions. RobertT, you are the teenybopper of technophilia.

Blogger pyrrhus June 05, 2017 7:30 PM  

@73 "As it is now, it's nothing more than a smoke and mirrors process meant to ensure your white male kid doesn't get in."
Of course, and this is seriously decreasing the intellectual caliber of the student bodies in elite colleges, because women are much less likely to have +3 sigma IQs, and are much worse at Math.
Women are also much more conformist, so free speech suffers....

OpenID doktorjeep June 05, 2017 7:31 PM  

Dysgenic? Certainly. But that has already been the case.

Let's face it, men are more logical and logic dictates that degrees are not worth much and going into a decade or two of debt to end up in a cubicle is a raw deal. Women are the biggest suckers (which is why their voting is killing our civilization) so naturally the huge drumbeat towards college would attract them more.

So to me, this at least shows that men are thinking and anybody who is thinking realizes that you don't just go to college or a 4 year degree just for the sake of going to college.


So the dysgenics is entirely across the board, or full spectrum. That is, it's not that more women go to college that's the problem. The problem has multiple facets. The same system (Cathedral) running the colleges are the same systems that beat the idea of the need for college into the heads of the women. It's also the same system that unmotivated men since it's hard to get divorced raped and baby-jailed for 22 years AND still have student loan debts to pay off.

And besides, why even bother? Go to college for what? A higher paying job? Then what? Oh end up married? Then divorced, then paying child support out the wazoo in stark fear of losing your job. And that last part is highly likely when we already saw (in gen X mainly) entire careers get outsourced or H1B'ed away. It happened to me twice.

Perhaps a generational difference: in Gen X we still had the carrot on the stick, and a few NAWALT unicorns to feed that fantasy too. Women waited until later to get fat. So naturally we were hooked on "Go to college, study hard, get a degree, get a high paying job, use income from said job to get a high quality woman, get married, have kids, be a dad and husband, work till you retire, retire then croak". Or something like that.

Late millennials and early gen Z? Hah!

The carrot is gone and they are being beaten with the stick. Fat and young girls with ugly leg tattoos are queens of the dating apps and masters of the "MySpace angle" in their portraits, and those are the few who are not screeching blue-hairs. Boomers have no qualms about letting in the cheap labor and H1B hoards that (they hope) will pay for their retirements. And all around them, thanks to the internet, swirl stories of men who "did everything right" (went to college, worked hard, etc.) and still ended up broke and broken.

I think only true science and engineering types will go to college because STEM still resists convergence... but that will change and the "smart" will be too smart for college and college will continue to become a joke. But also admissions will get in on the act: Oh you are "a f**king whiiiite maaaaaaaaale!!!!" you don't get to go to college.

And from that will spawn must dystopic wonder as true hardcore science and engineering types can go right on to development and invention of their ideas instead of having to put up with 4 years of college first then get funneled into "some job somewhere".

Another big difference is that it's not only college that's total BS today. A lot of the "real work" does not make much sense either. Can anybody else feel it? I can feel it: most of the crap being done in offices today can be done by an AI.

We will see a day when Human Resources will resist automation with AIs "because people" when it will become apparent that the only way to prevent a bias suit is to use an AI, and all those HR SJWs will be out on the street.
And the people behind the AIs are exactly the kind of nerds that these SJW HR types find "creepy" and clamor for expulsion and suspicion against. It will be their ultimate revenge.

Blogger pyrrhus June 05, 2017 7:33 PM  

The positive development is that companies are starting to realize that a college degree means nothing in many jobs, and they need to find people who can (and will) do the work...

Blogger dc.sunsets June 05, 2017 7:35 PM  

Stg58 Trade schools need to be looking into engineering programs.

If I'm correct, STEM degree programs are still the same sausage-fests as 40 years ago. Universities learned to offer fluff to get the marks to line up for the con.

I classify the humanities in the same bucket as Taj Majal rec centers & other inducements. They get stupid people to pony up for status seeking, useless degree.

Blogger pyrrhus June 05, 2017 7:38 PM  

But there is no reason why all college couldn't be online, with instructors available for consultation and maybe to proctor exams...No reason except that the gravy train would come to a screeching halt, and all those diversity administrators would become redundant...

Blogger dc.sunsets June 05, 2017 7:39 PM  

Just as pure wild speculation, wouldn't driving men out likely accelerate the impending college bubble collapse ?

Accelerate or simply offer another sign that universities, like most other institutions, are well past the point of salvageable?

I think it is a matter of POV.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 05, 2017 7:42 PM  

China had its 1 child policy, which I'd expect resulted in a whole lot of celibate young men.

Feminism is the West's mechanism for producing the same thing.

A large cohort of unmarried and unattached young men is not a harbinger of peace and harmony.

Anonymous Wooly Covfefe June 05, 2017 7:45 PM  

OT

Is anyone else having problems typing in WordPress fields, or the address bar, with input lag? It's not doing it here. Only in WP and the address bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIsSysnpBqo

This only started in the last two weeks. It's maddening. I folded my Ipad Mini in half, calmly, and then in quarters, and tossed it into the dumpster because of input lag. If I type the letter "a" and the computer with a Core I5 and 24GB of DDR5, the compy shouldn't have to say "Hmm. He typed a letter. What letter did he type? It was an "a". What should I do? I think I should put that letter on the screen. But wait! Was it a capital "A"? No. It wasn't. I'll put a lowercase "a" on the screen. After I take a smoke break."

My Commodore 64 was faster than Brave is now.

Did they get infested with SJWs? Is that what happened?

Because I'm about to switch back to a browser that reacts when I type.

Anonymous Crew June 05, 2017 7:46 PM  

I heard that Cory Doctorow and Scalzi did a presentation at the GooglePlex and lots of SJWs were really happy ...

and damn Amazon keeps telling me that I should purchase the Collapsing Empire.

Anonymous krbu June 05, 2017 7:48 PM  

One of my students told me just yesterday that he was going to attend a university he believes has a strong online program (Colorado State University) because he can't risk being falsely accused of rape or some sort of abuse. I told him to be very, very careful of what he wrote in online discussion forums, which are a waste of time, but required.

He was shocked.

It's tragic, really. And yes, I'm female.

Anonymous Wooly Covfefe June 05, 2017 7:53 PM  

Whoops, I meant,

"Is anyone else having problems...with input lag..."

Using Brave?

I like this browser a lot. Right now, like my late Ipad Mini, it is almost unusable.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 05, 2017 7:53 PM  

I expect the Big Argument is going to come when the big collapse occurs....and it will at some point. On that day, the wheels on the gravy train will come completely off and what once passed for skills and ability drops back to that dimension we call reality.

When that happens, the white heterosexual males will emerge again, owing nothing to anyone, completely guilt free, pragmatic and free of all the nonsense that has dominated social attention for decades. With very few exceptions, the Preppers are all white hetero males, that I have ever met or ever heard of. These will be the people with the supplies and the tools and the skills to maintain a modern existence.

Unless there is a takeover by major corporations, which is unlikely in the extreme....many of the overbearing wimmin, and Negroes, and Hispanics are going to find themselves on the outside looking in. And the ones they treated with total disdain will have the best deal going....food, shelter, and security. Do not let them in. In no time flat, they will vote you out and take over your digs. Keep them well out of range until the elements even the score. They have nothing to offer.

Anonymous Wooly Covfefe June 05, 2017 8:03 PM  

#84

There are many companies with SJW HR departments that won't hire anyone who doesn't have a presence on Facebook or Twitter.

I guess their mentality is "You're not on FB? What are you hiding?"

If you decline to talk politics and religion, even in real life, you are suspect. Because you are supposed to, and avidly, and Correctly. Praise the Party, always. Work for the Cause, always.

"You don't have any message bumper stickers on your car. How come? Don't you support the Cause?"

Don't even dare say "What cause?". Then you're made.

And you'd better "Harumph!" when Trump is named in conversation, and you should probably include some cuss words.

They showed this with GG, with the need for the Puppies. They want everything. They can't be satisfied with taking all of Government, all of Labor, all of Academia.

They want your quilting magazine to push their message. Even if they're not into quilting. (Hi, Zoey!)

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 05, 2017 8:06 PM  

My Commodore 64 was faster than Brave is now.

Works fine on my PC. No lag at all.

Anonymous roughcoat June 05, 2017 8:07 PM  

@ 82

I don't use Brave much on my laptop, but I just tested it and I have no perceivable input lag with version 0.15.310. I checked for updates, updated to 0.15.314, and it's also fine. I'm using a 2013 Thinkpad T430, so not exactly a powerhouse.

I have to switch browsers regularly (every 3-6 months) depending on which behaves the best the way I use it. I'm mostly using Firefox right now on my laptop, but I've used them all over the last several years. There's no consistently good browser anymore. The general state of software development is pretty abysmal and it's only getting worse from what I can tell. It's sad. And really fucking irritating.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 05, 2017 8:10 PM  

On that day, the wheels on the gravy train will come completely off and what once passed for skills and ability drops back to that dimension we call reality.

When that happens, the white heterosexual males will emerge again, owing nothing to anyone, completely guilt free, pragmatic and free of all the nonsense that has dominated social attention for decades. With very few exceptions, the Preppers are all white hetero males, that I have ever met or ever heard of. These will be the people with the supplies and the tools and the skills to maintain a modern existence.


"And seven women shall take hold of one man in that day, saying, 'We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach.' "

(Apologies to Rabbi B for misusing Isaiah ...)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2017 8:11 PM  

roughcoat wrote:There's no consistently good browser anymore. The general state of software development is pretty abysmal and it's only getting worse from what I can tell. It's sad. And really fucking irritating.
Welcome to the world of agile development. "We'll fix it on the next release."

Blogger Cail Corishev June 05, 2017 8:12 PM  

Trends like this seem to have a way of hitting a critical mass and then leaping forward to a saturation point in a hurry. Several years ago, it was noticeable how companies were sticking more diversity into their advertising, especially with mixed-race families and people in unexpected occupations like black IT specialists. Then suddenly that was the norm, and you almost never see an all-white family with a father who's not a fat idiot now. It leapt from "sprinkled diversity" to "all diverse all the time" in a hurry.

So if 60% of the college graduates are girls now, I wouldn't be surprised if that leaps to 80% in a decade, assuming there's not an economic or social collapse that sends them scrambling for husbands. White men are just starting to realize college is a bad deal for them, and there's still a lot of inertia behind the "you need a degree to get a good job" narrative. That could all go away in a single generation, and then college will be as much of a woman thing as HR departments.

Anonymous Wooly Covfefe June 05, 2017 8:25 PM  

The general state of software development is pretty abysmal and it's only getting worse from what I can tell. It's sad. And really fucking irritating.

It's the HR departments. The people making our games and operating systems are a diverse group of people. That's what's important. Not necessarily good at making games and operating systems, though.

At least they all have multiple piercings, neon hair, and like to dress up as bunnies and puppies.

That is, to HR today, more important than making stuff that works.

Anonymous Simplytimothy June 05, 2017 8:28 PM  

This an Opportunity for Big Fork : Education. And, yes, I am doing what I can to make it happen.

John C Wright recently lamented the link as of his alma-mater and it's curriculum. However the resources exist to recreate that (and others) without the fat of sjws, administrators and 'required' courses unelated to the curriculum.


In aviation, we use a standards model to advance to the next level. Or, think "The Theoretical Minimum". The idea is that proven, recent, demonstration of skillets opens up new opportunities

The same model applies on the teaching side.

Furthermore, a financial model that puts money in the pocket of teachers should attract talent.

Lord willing, He will give me the time to get this done, but it is achievable.

Anonymous Carbon blob June 05, 2017 8:35 PM  

@9

"Trade schools need to be looking into engineering programs"

They will. Code academies are popping up, some of which teach serious computer science material as well.

Blogger JACIII June 05, 2017 8:48 PM  

More female college grads just means there are more single females for me and my buddies in the trades to write huge invoices to.
A/C not working? You need a new, more efficient unit, Ma'am. That $6500 ( for $1500 worth of machinery) will pay for itself in reduced electricity bills. And, by the way, we recommend this yearly service contract. You don't want to be without heat in a blizzard this winter, do you?

Car won't start? $300.00 diagnostic fee? Yes, Ma'am that's what it cost for me to hook up this ($250.00) machine to your car for 5 minutes, Ma'am. I know $2300 is a lot of money. These are the going rates. Much cheaper than the dealer.

ad infinitum

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 05, 2017 8:58 PM  

Future is looking bright for tradesmen. If the borders and laws are enforced these people will need to pay market value instead of importing slaves and calling them citizens. Their ventures will fail at a high rate and their collective coin will diminish. And Joe Plumber will rise again.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright June 05, 2017 8:59 PM  

@4 "Curious if anyone is going to bother to do a study on how much of this has to do with those gender and race boxes on the application."

That is a really interesting point. Are less men being admitted?

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright June 05, 2017 9:02 PM  

I would love to know:

1) Where are the boys going?

2) How does the percentage of boys going to college compare with the percentage of boys going to college 10, 20, 40, and 70 years ago.

The situation more boys are going to college than before but many, many more girls are going is different from less boys are going than used to go. I'm curious which is the case.

Anonymous Texas exile June 05, 2017 9:16 PM  

@97

"Future is looking bright for tradesmen. If the borders and laws are enforced these people will need to pay market value instead of importing slaves and calling them citizens."

From my consumer acquaintance with tradesmen in a border state, experienced tradesmen in a few fields, electricians and plumbers, are making a killing diagnosing and repairing problems caused by unskilled, untrained, Mexican laborers. Other trades like carpentry aren't that fortunate. Immigration is also destroying the entry rungs for legal citizens as I've heard a lot of them get paid tax free under the table.

Just an anecdotal report. I'm sure someone who was in the industry in a border state can give a more accurate picture.

Blogger JACIII June 05, 2017 9:17 PM  

I used to feel sorry for the women guys took to the cleaners. Not anymore. The run their little paper mafia within a corporation and regularly screw their way ahead of the men doing the work. Same goes for the pink shirted idiot guys.

The Rule: Don't write a bill that doesn't draw blood.

Anonymous andon June 05, 2017 9:18 PM  

But Wilkins, who has a 17-year-old son, is sympathetic to the fears many young men face in an ever-changing world.

“I think friends of my son’s age are more afraid of economic instability that they let on,” she said. “They talk a big game about going out and doing things on their own, but I don’t think they believe it deep down inside.”


see, the problem is young men are cowards

Blogger Stilicho June 05, 2017 9:22 PM  

"Look at the degrees on that chick"...said no man ever.

Blogger VD June 05, 2017 9:25 PM  

One girl I know who just graduated is interested in game design, and I'm telling her she should self-study C++, Unreal, and Unity and get some successful, real-world game design experience even if it's unpaid. But she's made up her mind to go for the degree in game design, where she probably won't even use a game design engine for at least a few years.

(laughs) She'll never design anything.

Anonymous Daniel H June 05, 2017 9:29 PM  

An excellent college education is free for the taking on Coursera and Edx. It will be a trivial manner to establish some sort of proctored exam process and the traditional higher education model should be dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.

The the educrats will resist tooth and nail to protect their very lucrative BUSINESS.

Just take a collection of courses on Coursera. Report your SAT/ACT and that is all that should be necessary.

Yes, of course we will still need some manner to conduct lab classes, but that will be a trivial obstacle to overcome.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 05, 2017 9:49 PM  

When I graduated HS quite a few friends went into construction. One guy offered me $20/hr to start in his father's company just for hanging drywall. Went into the military instead, back when they offered advanced electronics for a 6-year hitch. Got out and found work pretty easily, despite the recession. My neighbor at that time was making about $20 packing meat.
Take a look at those jobs today. It is depressing what uncontrolled immigration has done to the job opportunities our kids should have had available to them.
No one should be ashamed to say they work in landscaping. One of my friends went to technical school, as I did, but took horticulture with the aim of starting his own landscaping business. Illegal immigration destroyed his dream and I watched as it happened. It was very sad. Nice guy. Married. Kids.
Changing this dynamic is what I think of when I hear "Make America Great Again".

Anonymous Anonymous June 05, 2017 9:50 PM  

@Doktor Jeep,

"Women waited until later to get fat"

Loved that. You say so much there in only 7 words. I agree with your overall post. Gen X was at least efficiently fooled. Now the utter and total lack of incentive to lead the 'normal' life is just so glaring. There is no incentive that anyway can identify. At this point, males are only choosing a normal life to avoid shaming. But avoiding shame is not a valid incentive. There is no longer even an attempt to fool guys with illusory incentives. Even the illusions are gone.

Anonymous polarbearballs June 05, 2017 9:50 PM  

Well, beware the coming "debt forgiveness", like every other area of life in Western society, if it effects women, or is negative to/about them (perceived), or gives them a bad day--some state or federal program will be enacted to bring them justice. (see: Family Law).

The old saw about "if men could get pregnant, abortion would be legal" was correct in it's inverse: If women are the primary beneficiaries, expect the change. Once men dip below 15 percent or so, we will see a ramping up of the "oh gosh, just make it free-college should be free", which will of course lead to "just give debt forgiveness"--which will somehow be rigged ALSO to primarily benefit women (like making it only for arts, humanities and social sciences).

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Blogger Ransom Smith June 05, 2017 10:01 PM  

Accelerate or simply offer another sign that universities, like most other institutions, are well past the point of salvageable?

@dc.sunsets

I think the two are related. Pushing out men accelerates the collapse, pushing people away from universities. Do trade schools for programming and networking sprout? Same for engineering?

Call it my youthful ignorance, but if I was a university board/dean, I'd be scared and desperately trying to burn every useless department to the ground.

Anonymous Grayman June 05, 2017 10:06 PM  

VD

What would be a historical example of a society becoming this dysgenic???

Blogger rumpole5 June 05, 2017 10:11 PM  

Is this partially a function of tech? If you have a smart phone, you have the St. Johns college great books reading list in your damn hand. Why go to college? Men are motivated by substantive achievement and merit. Women are satisfied with checking off the boxes.

Anonymous roughcoat June 05, 2017 10:15 PM  

Wooly Covfefe wrote:It's the HR departments. The people making our games and operating systems are a diverse group of people. That's what's important. Not necessarily good at making games and operating systems, though.

At least they all have multiple piercings, neon hair, and like to dress up as bunnies and puppies.

That is, to HR today, more important than making stuff that works.


Diversity isn't helping I'm sure, but it's deeper than that. I don't consider myself any sort of expert on the world of software development but after a few years spent programming, I've come to realize that most developers have a strong herd instinct and little inclination to ask *why* they're doing the things they're doing. They just have faith that following "best practices" leads to good results, even if those best practices are total nonsense that just add unnecessary abstraction and overhead.

And of course, the most popular tools--popular because they're easy to learn up to the point of basic proficiency without requiring significant knowledge of hardware or CS fundamentals, and easy to use to glue an MVP together quickly--come with absolute buckets of inefficiency tacked on, as well as a great deal less control over what the computer is actually doing. And the trend is continuing in that direction. The common call is for programmers to outsource "hard" problems to the "real professionals" and "experts". Nevermind the obvious problems with that approach.

Perhaps the above problems can be explained by the truly astounding degree of convergence in tech, though. Hard to say.

Anonymous Avalanche June 05, 2017 10:23 PM  

@21 "One girl I know who just graduated is interested in game design, and I'm telling her she should self-study C++, Unreal, and Unity and get some successful, real-world game design experience even if it's unpaid. But she's made up her mind to go for the degree in game design, where she probably won't even use a game design engine for at least a few years."

Identical to my nephew (the gamer,of course) when I asked if he was using the built-in game editors to develop his own levels, so he could show his skills and build a portfolio. Nope, cause it's not the program/language they use at college, so he'd wait and just PLAY games now ("now" being at age 17!) I pointed out to his mom (my sister) that if *I* were a hiring manager, and he came in with his college degree and the 'portfolio' he had made there, as against the kid who started at age 11 designing and refining levels just because he really wanted to... she shrugged and said, "well, if he finishes college and there are no jobs for him, he'll always have a place to stay." (And her 'worked to get Bernie elected' husband agrees.)

Blogger Cail Corishev June 05, 2017 10:25 PM  

If you have a smart phone, you have the St. Johns college great books reading list in your damn hand. Why go to college?

3. If you're a typical kid, most people you know, including your parents and high school guidance counselors, are telling you you need a college degree to get a decent job. Most people still believe that, even now. I even see people arguing that a degree is more necessary than ever before.

2. Many people aren't self-driven enough to learn as much on their own as they would in school with at least a schedule and someone expecting them to show up for tests. They go to college so someone will tell them what to study and when, and hold your hand a little. Otherwise, they figure they'd download those great books and then forget about them and play games instead.

1. Slutty college girls. This may actually be the only reason.

Anonymous Jewel June 05, 2017 10:34 PM  

They saunter in by Title IX, where men once strived to prove their minds.

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2017 10:41 PM  

roughcoat wrote:Perhaps the above problems can be explained by the truly astounding degree of convergence in tech, though. Hard to say.
not just convergence, although certainly has its share of blame. it's the attempt by the big players to reduce programming to coding, and coding to a methodology rather than an art. It's the only way to succeed when you bring a bunch of 90 IQ Hindi and hire Mary Sues and Dindus to do all your programming. If it's hard, they won't be able to do it.
So you offload the real tough stuff to a bunch of middle-aged White guys, and everybody else uses generic frameworks and tools and make the same shitty program for everyone.

Anonymous Avalanche June 05, 2017 10:49 PM  

@101 "The Rule: Don't write a bill that doesn't draw blood."

Didn't realize (((what you are))). Thought so after your earlier comment; this one clinches it.

Blogger BunE22 June 05, 2017 10:50 PM  

Related to Avalanche's and Cail Corishev's posts:

The parents are the bigger problem because they believe the college myth and offer safety nets to their children. My oldest daughter went to SVA. I expressed my doubts about an art degree because my daughter didn't have a passion for art. We made her pay for her own education, and of course I was a bad parent for questioning her career choice, but I had seen students at the tour that carried blank books to draw in because it was their life and that wasn't my kid.

She landed a good job, doing graphics for Mad Money, but they hired her as "freelance" for 2 years before she was actually made an employee.

After another year she quit and bought a coffee shop in a tiny rural town. She'd have been better off skipping the "education." She makes great signs for her shop but it wasn't worth the setback to her life that college cost her in time and money.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 05, 2017 11:00 PM  

What Snidely said. It wasn't really about diversity at first; it was about trying to make programming easier and more by-the-numbers so more people could handle it and you could train people faster, so you didn't need as much of it done by genius coders. Once they thought they'd succeeded in that (mostly due to the buzz around Java) that convinced companies they could hire third-world newbies with a few weeks of training, at which point making it easy and fungible became necessary, and it turned into a vicious circle.

There are still white guys who actually understand how things work and can do more than drag-and-drop objects into a framework. They do the critical work and anything innovative, and fix what the others break if it's important enough for someone to pay twice for it. You probably won't find them at college, though.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 05, 2017 11:22 PM  

Stilicho wrote:"Look at the degrees on that chick"...said no man ever.
Can confirm.  I dropped any idea of romantic overtures to a chick when I found out she was carrying five figures of student loan debt.

She was pushing 30 and still couldn't afford her own place.  That said everything.  I was not going to be the one to pay for her bad decisions.  I'm sure she's a childless cat lady now.

Ransom Smith wrote:if I was a university board/dean, I'd be scared and desperately trying to burn every useless department to the ground.
That ought to have made the news if anyone was doing it.  They all still seem to be purity-spiralling.  All indications point to institutions being replaced, not reformed.

Anonymous CoolHand June 05, 2017 11:24 PM  

You can laugh at me if you like (I probably deserve it), but IMO you can get at least as good an education from YouTube as any run of the mill college in the US, if you're tenacious and patient enough to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I have a degree in engineering, but I'm self employed as a machinist.

I have learned more about my trade in the last five years, from YouTube, FOR FREE, than most people come out of a two year trade school with.

Now, I had to buy my own machines, and pay for all the shit I broke while I was learning over the last 15 years, but at the end of it all I've still got those machines to make money with now.

There has never been a better time in the history of man to be an autodidact. It still requires the same metal discipline and drive as it ever has, but so much more information is at your fingertips, if you're willing to seek it out.

I'm still a big fan of dead tree books, but you can't deny that the easy access to knowledge has been an unqualified good for those with the sense to make use of it.

Anonymous Carbon blob June 05, 2017 11:33 PM  

@103

"'Look at the degrees on that chick'...said no man ever"

When I die buddy, you know what's going to keep me warm? That's right, those degrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMK2cbL0iw4

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 05, 2017 11:54 PM  

Who's going to be fake raping those college students? We can always find illegal aliens to do the jobs Americans won't do.

Anonymous Ray June 06, 2017 12:02 AM  

Have to agree with you- early 30s female and in the majority of couples I know- especially the happy ones- the woman out-credentials the man (masters level nurses, a few lawyers, some random MAs) but the men actually do real things: electricians, carpenters, contractors, fishermen, shipwrights. And earn more money. Some have a BA, but got their useful skills through apprenticeship programs.
For the over-educated female set in my (admittedly extremely) rural area, degrees fall under "something I'm perfectly capable of" and are therefore "not hot." I wouldn't go so far as to say DLV, but pushing irrelevant. Chainsawing firewood, subsistence hunting, commercial fishing, rebuilding a broken boat, in contrast, are "things I can't do well, even with a lot of practice" and are very attractive.

Anonymous roughcoat June 06, 2017 12:38 AM  

@ 118, 121

Makes sense. I've heard similar explanations before, especially re: Java.

I've been programming for about three years, ignoring the couple years when I first learned to program in high school computer science, but 99% of my work has been for solo projects. All the nonsense I see in the software world makes applying to regular programming jobs very unappealing, even though that's the quick way to start making good money again, and I wonder if I've actually made myself halfway unemployable as a developer. Not because I can't do the job--far from it--but because I just can't stomach the retarded stuff most shops seem to do, now that I realize how much better software can be. I got my fill of bullshit and being forced to keep my mouth shut in the army.

That may be a moot point though. Fucking cis white male American veteran, who doesn't have any SJW credentials at all, and certainly no ritual white guilt self-flagellation displayed online? Steep hill to climb in the tech world.

Anonymous Anonymous June 06, 2017 12:56 AM  

@Polar Bear Balls,

University debt forgiveness is sitting up on a tee for the democrats right now. They could make 'debt forgiveness' their 'build a wall' rallying point. I think Hillary was so overconfident that she didn't even think that she had to go there.But student debt forgiveness is low hanging fruit right now.

It's all lined up; it would benefit women far more than men (as you pointed out), the 'pay gap' myth is entrenched as truth, so, you know, women are kind of owed that anyway. There is a growing cultural awareness that humanities degrees are useless. Even libs are coming around on that. So STEM is actually the new university degree. A STEM degree is what a university degree used to mean; money, skills, guaranteed career etc. And as everyone knows, STEM discriminates against women. So they have been kept out of STEM by the patriarchy so it's kind of unfair that they should have to pay off their 80k when the STEM profs wouldn't allow females to take their classes, or something. There are so many elements lining up for debt forgiveness to become reality. It's all about dutiful betas paying for female folly. The song remains the same. All the "I'm not a beta" betas who so cleverly ran off to be plumbers will be left footing the bill...again. It's coming. The girls got to read stories and write intensely narcissistic, personal, emotional, navel gazing reactions to Sylvia Plath where they just got to play with their own minds and be 'talented' and the beta plumbers and HVAC guys will pay for it. It's coming. The money shift from tradesmen (males) to female ceramics majors will be very smooth.

Anonymous Dave June 06, 2017 1:12 AM  

"If a company hires a white male without a degree over a minority with a degree, it is considered evidence of discrimination."

That's easy, just say that the degreed dindu is "overqualified". Or let the smart white guy present a fake degree from a diploma-mill.

Companies that do government projects have to load up on affirmative-action hires. That's why the Obamacare website didn't work until a "tech surge" of white and Asian men was brought in to fix it.

Blogger tublecane June 06, 2017 1:44 AM  

@108-I always hated that saying. If men could get pregnant, they'd be women. (Unless they were seahorses.) They'd probably act like women. Which means they'd enforce in law whatever's dominant in the culture, because women are conformists.

I have no doubt whatsoever in Saudia Arabia women are behind forcing girls to wear masks and enjoy beatings.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky June 06, 2017 1:47 AM  

roughcoat wrote:All the nonsense I see in the software world makes applying to regular programming jobs very unappealing, even though that's the quick way to start making good money again, and I wonder if I've actually made myself halfway unemployable as a developer.

Are you the same Roughcoat that used to post here about ten years ago? That guy was a stellar historian. Maybe you are not the same guy? If you are, I'm saddened that you moved to programming over your strong and agile thrusts at history.

But, on the software front when trying to land that "regular programming job", understand that the typically the first wave of people you encounter have absolutely no idea about anything they are asking you about. They are utterly useless to anybody, counter-productive buffer agents. Getting hip on buzzwords is maybe the best policy, but even better is to know somebody and skip that whole kabuki dance.

You gotta make it past them for the actual interviews with the technical staff. And at that point you gotta know your stuff.

Blogger wreckage June 06, 2017 2:02 AM  

Women with half a brain already know a tradie is where it's at.

I suggest that the stats are as much to do with degrees being entirely worthless to a man with any kind of ambition. Plumbers make more - much more - once they become independent contractors - than most graduates ever will; and as independent contractors working via tender they are strongly anti-fragile to diversity hires, HR departments, and prettymuch everything else.

It's been shown repeatedly that a man of ability and ambition is hampered, not enhanced, by these "midwit" social "teacher's favourite" stickers called business degrees, which by the way, the entry and pass conditions for are essentially to have a pulse.

Men have seen the incentives and changed behaviour. Women are still conforming to expectation, all the while blaming their innate, and female-only-social-heirarchy enforced, self-destructive drive for conformity, on "the patriarchy".

Meanwhile, men avoid education and allied health not because college is hostile, but because their career is utterly defenceless against accusations of sexual impropriety.

Anonymous I learned everything at 1200 baud. June 06, 2017 2:28 AM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:I would love to know:

1) Where are the boys going?

2) How does the percentage of boys going to college compare with the percentage of boys going to college 10, 20, 40, and 70 years ago.

The situation more boys are going to college than before but many, many more girls are going is different from less boys are going than used to go. I'm curious which is the case.


Nobody knows the answer. Everybody has opinions. But no answer.

Here's my opinion.

College education is synonymous with a better life, and anybody who doesn't go to college is lesser either in fact or de rigueur.

This attitude correlates quite nicely with the explosive growth of high-end automobile labels. When I was a kid, a Mercedes badge meant you were either wealthy, or you were a handy diesel mechanic. When I was a teenager, it meant you were wealthy, or you knew a guy who knew a guy who could get parts. When I was in college, it meant you had exceptional credit.

At some point after I had born children, I witnessed people circling the Wal-Mart parking lot with windows down to let the cigarette smoke out of their brand new Mercs.

(This is the bad part for J.C. Wright's wife, if this wasn't a clever troll:)

Women are very good at hitching their wagon to trends, but they're very bad at making new trends. Women nurture. Men destroy. This is why fashion is full of gay men, and the maternity wards are 100% women.

Blogger Annie DiPiombo June 06, 2017 2:41 AM  

@123

I watch the Turn Wright Machine Works videos in lieu of smoking weed. I think that guy probably saved my marriage.

Blogger Silly but True June 06, 2017 3:17 AM  

Returned to alma mater in March for an event and got to see its new STEM "creation space" - "a practical laboratory" comprised of no less than five 3-d printers, a pretty complete woodshop, and a controlled-access metal shop including welders, drill press, line saw, and press break.

After I noted that I made my dad a wooden desk organizer in shop class as h.s. freshman and was required to strike an arc and pool a bead of weld to pass sophomore shop, the faculty administrator advised that kids are seeing for the first time now at 19 and 20 what my generation experienced no later than 9th or 10th grade. He showed off some notable things that students made and was happy to highlight a 3-d printed resin Groot made from a coordinate file the student simply downloaded from the internet.

Progress.

Blogger szopen June 06, 2017 3:20 AM  

Well...
(1) Patterns of voting of married women are different from single women
(a) There are plenty of anecdotes of women who changed their political views/outlook on world after marrying man
(b) There are logical reasons of why women can change her view when finally meeting someone with different views and when she will understand that most she had learned about men/patriarchy is BS
(2) Less men in colleges, less chances for women to marry
(1)+(2) = (3) Less men in colleges might be a bad thing for the Right.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 06, 2017 3:26 AM  

A college degree became an employment requirement when the EEOC got rolling hammering companies for "discrimination." Since companies weren't allowed to make value judgements any more, they started relying on colleges to do the filtering for them. Dindus who got a college degree were from the far right-hand side of the Dindu Bell Curve, so were probably an acceptable hiring risk. A degree was an indication that the person holding it was at least responsible enough to show up most days for four years and comprehend what they were told well enough to regurgitate it back.

But that of course just pushed the problem upstream, and the SJWs started going after the colleges. So now a degree is no guarantee of any responsibility or intelligence. In fact, given the runaway cost, it's potentially a negative indicator. So college degrees will cease being filtering criteria for any but the already converged and dying corporations. So long as the G-E hadn't had the entire EEOC staff impaled along the Mall, companies will have to look for a new vetting method. I'm guessing independent certifications and personal referrals, but who really knows.

In any event, women will quickly realize college has become a finishing school and - given the thoroughly unappealing gamma males they will have as classmates - the hypergamy problem will fix itself in short order.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 06, 2017 3:36 AM  

(1)+(2) = (3) Less men in colleges might be a bad thing for the Right.

No, not really. I disagree with Vox about the hypergamy problem. Women have a habit of being attracted to institutions with attractive (i.e. Alpha) men, and by force of habit start throwing out fitness tests to the men in those institutions. If the men fail the test and let women overrun the place, it ceases to be attractive to women, who then start looking around for where all the hot guys have gone.

A generic college degree is rapidly loosing it's SMV status for men. Women tingle a lot harder for an actual rapist then for some sackless wonder who meekly accepts being called a potential rapist by a Cuck-and-Landwhale kangaroo court.

Anonymous Turns out, university calculus is the same as high school calculus June 06, 2017 3:37 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:A college degree became an employment requirement when the EEOC got rolling hammering companies for "discrimination." Since companies weren't allowed to make value judgements any more, they started relying on colleges to do the filtering for them. Dindus who got a college degree were from the far right-hand side of the Dindu Bell Curve, so were probably an acceptable hiring risk. A degree was an indication that the person holding it was at least responsible enough to show up most days for four years and comprehend what they were told well enough to regurgitate it back.

But that of course just pushed the problem upstream, and the SJWs started going after the colleges. So now a degree is no guarantee of any responsibility or intelligence. In fact, given the runaway cost, it's potentially a negative indicator. So college degrees will cease being filtering criteria for any but the already converged and dying corporations. So long as the G-E hadn't had the entire EEOC staff impaled along the Mall, companies will have to look for a new vetting method. I'm guessing independent certifications and personal referrals, but who really knows.

In any event, women will quickly realize college has become a finishing school and - given the thoroughly unappealing gamma males they will have as classmates - the hypergamy problem will fix itself in short order.


In the end, men went to college to acquire women.

Blogger tublecane June 06, 2017 3:39 AM  

@136-Voting patterns are different between married and single men, too. It's called the Marriage Gap. I don't know whether women change more than men, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Blogger wreckage June 06, 2017 3:40 AM  

@137, most affirmative action crap can simply be ignored if you fire your HR department. Preferably for contractors.

Blogger tublecane June 06, 2017 3:43 AM  

@138-Actual rapists tend to be lower on the sexual value scale. Women respond to sexual aggression, but if it's an attractive guy doing it, then it's not rape because they'll give in.*

*Using the actual definition of rape, not the definition that allows a girl to have second thoughts after the guy ignores her the following weekend.

Blogger szopen June 06, 2017 3:44 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:(1)+(2) = (3) Less men in colleges might be a bad thing for the Right.

No, not really. I disagree with Vox about the hypergamy problem. Women have a habit of being attracted to institutions with attractive (i.e. Alpha) men, and by force of habit start throwing out fitness tests to the men in those institutions. If the men fail the test and let women overrun the place, it ceases to be attractive to women, who then start looking around for where all the hot guys have gone.

A generic college degree is rapidly loosing it's SMV status for men. Women tingle a lot harder for an actual rapist then for some sackless wonder who meekly accepts being called a potential rapist by a Cuck-and-Landwhale kangaroo court.

In the long term, maybe. I don't know abotu USA, but here the propaganda is that women has to be independent and strong, and strong and independent women means she has to go to university. To realise that university has no value and, in addition, no valuable man are there, the following should happened:
EITHER
(1) in media universities are shown as with onl bunch of weak males and overhelmingly female
(2) women has to go to the college andfind out the truth on her own
If (2), then realisation than college is useless may come too late - women will already spent forming years of her life surrounded by other women.

Anonymous roughcoat June 06, 2017 3:45 AM  

@ 131

Nope, different person. I didn't start using this handle until 2013 or so and have only been around these parts since about 2014.

Anonymous Bz June 06, 2017 5:15 AM  

"1. Slutty college girls. This may actually be the only reason."

They're not slutty, they're being raped by white male students. (And so we return to the top of this page.)

Anonymous Bz June 06, 2017 5:23 AM  

Sorry if you thought STEM was some sort of haven immune to the general decline. After you have read the article below, from a blog published by the American Mathematical Society, I recommend that you read the author's PhD thesis (Math at Princeton). Just to rub it in.

"Get Out The Way

Not to alarm you, but I probably want you to quit your job, or at least take a demotion. Statistically speaking, you are probably taking up room that should go to someone else. If you are a white cis man (meaning you identify as male and you were assigned male at birth) you almost certainly should resign from your position of power. That’s right, please quit. Too difficult? Well, as a first step, at least get off your hiring committee, your curriculum committee, and make sure you’re replaced by a woman of color or trans person. Don’t have any in your department? HOW SHOCKING."

http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2017/05/11/get-out-the-way/

Blogger weka June 06, 2017 5:35 AM  

@146.
I may be ignorant, but in my field (evidence based mental health) we call such opinions horseshit. What has myths such as cisgender got to do with mathematics?

Anonymous Bz June 06, 2017 6:18 AM  

One might reasonably think so. Eppure converge.

Here is the author's Princeton PhD by the way: https://mathbabe.org/2015/12/11/piper-harron-discusses-her-artistic-and-wonderful-math-ph-d-thesis/

ABSTRACT

A fascinating tale of mayhem, mystery, and mathematics. Attached to each degree n number field is a rank n−1 lattice called its shape. This thesis shows that the shapes of Sn-number fields (of degree n = 3, 4, or 5) become equidistributed as the absolute discriminant of the number field goes to infinity. The result for n = 3 is due to David Terr. Here, we provide a unified proof for n = 3, 4, and 5 based on the parametrizations of
low rank rings due to Bhargava and Delone–Faddeev. We do not assume any of those words make any kind of sense, though we do make certain assumptions about how much time the reader has on her hands and what kind of sense of humor she has.

(The thesis text is worse. Far worse.)

Blogger Stilicho June 06, 2017 6:47 AM  

@119 I hope his brother tries to make him wear a yarmulke at the next family gathering. The youtube video would be epic.

Anonymous Baseball Savant June 06, 2017 7:10 AM  

I think STEM is tricky unless you are going into engineering and even then I know quite a few chemical engineers that aren't the happiest bunch I've seen. I double majored in chemistry/math before going to medical school and I can safely say that path is massively CONVERGED. I'm in my late 30s so I started college 17-20 years ago and even then at midwestern school, it was difficult to get through because of how many women were already trying to get into STEM.

Med school was even worse. The medical profession is going down the toilet quick. I know for me I'm looking at every avenue to get out, and I'm by far not the only physician I know who is male that is looking for the back door.

Blogger seeingsights June 06, 2017 7:40 AM  

I saw those trends described in the article when I was a college undergrad from 1989-1993. It can be summed up as the feminization of college.

I continue to hope that the internet will shake up the education industry, like it shook up music, publishing, journalism.
Its been said that a reason people go to college is to meet a future spouse. That was one reason for me, to meet women. Now, however, meeting the opposite sex can be done online.
For profit colleges are not as good as non profit, traditional colleges. I hope that purely online education increases in quality.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 06, 2017 8:20 AM  

Well when that august authority of all things cultural Rolling Stone magazine told the world in breathless tones that womyn going to college were being raped by blond blue eyed frat dudes like forever college enrollment for girls surged.

Women are silly

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 8:41 AM  

@Quadko

The reason so many women are lousy cooks miss due to their irrepressible urge to take a perfectly good recipe and destroy it by replacing essential ingredients with incredibly stupid substitutes which degrade both taste and texture. One of the dumbest is low- or no-fat substitutes (Muh diet!), usually loaded with sugar and starch as thickeners.

Blogger John rockwell June 06, 2017 9:22 AM  

To survive the genetic shredding intelligent women would need to instead look for a worthy man as husband and marry him. Whilst avoiding college altogether.

Blogger LibertyPortraits June 06, 2017 9:45 AM  

It makes sense bc women can still get jobs with a college degree.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 06, 2017 10:17 AM  

In the long term, maybe...realisation than college is useless may come too late

Oh, certainly the overall problem will take a generation at least to work out, but the pure hypergamy problem will go away pretty quick once college women realize guys with college degrees aren't hot. They'll still have the mental health problems of being fed GrrrlPower nonsense, but that's a separate societal problem.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 10:26 AM  

"We will see a day when Human Resources will resist aWe will see a day when Human Resources will resist automation with AIs "because people" when it will become apparent that the only way to prevent a bias suit is to use an AI, and all those HR SJWs will be out on the street.
And the people behind the AIs are exactly the kind of nerds that these SJW HR types find "creepy" and clamor for expulsion and suspicion against. It will be their ultimate revenge. utomation with AIs "because people" when it will become apparent that the only way to prevent a bias suit is to use an AI, and all those HR SJWs will be out on the street.
And the people behind the AIs are exactly the kind of nerds that these SJW HR types find "creepy" and clamor for expulsion and suspicion against. It will be their ultimate revenge. "

Beautiful. You have just given me a new goal in life.

Anonymous BBGKB June 06, 2017 10:30 AM  

many of the overbearing wimmin, and Negroes, and Hispanics are going to find themselves on the outside looking in... Do not let them in. In no time flat, they will vote you out and take over your digs. Keep them well out of range until the elements even the score

When the collapse happens most preppers won't likely see a didndu unless it's wearing a blue helmet.

I have no doubt whatsoever in Saudia Arabia women are behind forcing girls to wear masks and enjoy beatings.

In the US the uglier the woman the less likely pointing out crime/rape of imported 3rd worlders will make them change their mind. Because they know the squatilings will attack the pretty girls for them.

Anonymous SumDood June 06, 2017 11:10 AM  

OT:

Any update on the Collapsing vs. Corroding kerfluffle, and the impact at Amazon?

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 11:14 AM  

Agile development...

What is called agile development today is almost completely unlike what the coders at Chrysler were doing when they came up with a name for it.

Reminds me of this rather ghetto temp I had to work with. Loves to spout lines like "Teamwork makes the dream work," and yet vigorously refused to cooperate with anybody. Yeah, we canned her.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 11:28 AM  

Regardless of whether fewer men are attending college, or just more girls, the 60:40 f:m ratio has produced across the board destruction of the academic value of various curricula, departments (especially English) , and in some cases, entire colleges and universities.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 12:03 PM  

@rumpole5

Even with the great books immediately available via internet, most people can't be bothered enough to read them without a passing grade being required to get their degree

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 12:23 PM  

Tumblecane

The resurgence of the hijab, etc. as mandatory wear for Moslem women was started by college girls in Egypt.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2017 12:33 PM  

@Silly but True

So essentially the high school shop class is teaching everyone how to be the next Clockboy.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 06, 2017 2:47 PM  

there is a development of tiny houses on an island next to washington state. it's in one of the small is beautiful house books, by the woman who wrote about not- having dining rooms in houses. sorry, half a cup of coffee in.

The houses had very nice wooden walls from salvage wood, and a steep ladder up to a loft for sleeping. That's the only non-friendly to elderly people detail- ladders require muscle mass. The book also profiled a large rectangular room house set up for a female tech executive with a motor neuron disease. A neighbor two houses down seems to have a house like that. I haven't enquired.

There's also a rather large article online about a trailer-home community in ?California? Arizona? set up for old people in retirement. The developer focused on broad, smooth tarmac roads so that frail old people could walk without fear of tripping on cracks in concrete. The community manager would visit people as if they were in a nursing home, checking up on them. I've seen people get really excited about this, when I talk about it in general.

To be fair, some gentrified neighborhoods these days meet these tiny house/ high mobility thresholds, and are mostly stocked with elderly upper-middle people.

So, if you have a packet of land, it's a really good idea, since the wave of the Baby Boom crashing into old age is just hitting now.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 06, 2017 2:54 PM  

Stilicho @149: "I hope his brother tries to make him wear a yarmulke at the next family gathering. The youtube video would be epic."

I hope his brother's recuperated enough to even be there. I heard they had to transport him by ambulance to the hospital after reading that comment; he was laughing so hard he couldn't catch his breath and passed out.

Blogger DeploraBard June 06, 2017 9:39 PM  

Can verify the disdain in medicine. I HATE it (Christian virtue)
I'm done. Retire next May and walk away. Made enough in rental real estate the last 4 years to replace my income. You do not ever need to step foot in college to be successful.

Blogger DeploraBard June 06, 2017 9:40 PM  

Can verify the disdain in medicine. I HATE it (Christian virtue)
I'm done. Retire next May and walk away. Made enough in rental real estate the last 4 years to replace my income. You do not ever need to step foot in college to be successful.

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