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Sunday, July 16, 2017

Bitchslapping the neocons

Tucker Carlson brings the pain to Ralph Peters and Max Boot. First, Peters, who has never gotten over the Cold War:
Peters leaps into overstatement, as is his wont: “We can’t have an alliance with terrorists, and the Russians are terrorists. They’re not Islamists, but they are terrorists.” He then alleges that the Russians aren’t really fighting ISIS, but instead are bombing hospitals, children, and “our allies” (i.e. the radical Islamist Syrian rebels trained and funded by the CIA and allied with al-Qaeda and al-Nusra). The Russians “hate the United States,” and “we have nothing in common with the Russians” –nothing!” The Russians, says Peters, are paving the way for the Iranians – the real evil in the region – to “build up an empire from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean.” Ah yes, the “Shia crescent” which the Israelis and their amen corner in the US have been warning against since before the Iraq war. Yet Tucker points out that over 3,000 Americans have been killed by terrorists in the US, and “none of them are Shi’ites: all of have been Sunni extremists who are supported by the Saudis, who are supposed to be our allies.” And while we’re on the subject: “Why,” asks Tucker, “if we’re so afraid of Iran did we kill Saddam Hussein, thereby empowering Iran?”

“Because we were stupid,” says Peters.

Oh boy! Peters was one of the most militant advocates of the Iraq war: we were “stupid,” I suppose, to listen to him. Yet Tucker lets this ride momentarily, saving his big guns for the moment when he takes out Peters completely. And Peters walks right into it when Tucker wonders why we can’t cooperate with Russia, since both countries are under assault from Sunni terrorists:

“PETERS: You sound like Charles Lindbergh in 1938 saying Hitler hasn’t attacked us.

“TUCKER: I beg your pardon? You cannot compare me to somebody who makes apologies for Hitler. And I don’t think Putin is comparable.

“PETERS: I think Putin is.

“TUCKER: I think it is a grotesque overstatement actually. I think it’s insane.
Wait, I thought Assad was Hitler today? Or is it Milo Yiannopoulos? It would be helpful if there was some sort of Hitler du jour mailing list to which we could all subscribe and thereby be assured of remaining up to date on the current Hitler. But Peters was merely the appetizer for the meal Tucker made of the hapless Max Boot:
Perhaps the neocons, having been trounced in round one, thought Boot could do better: they were mistaken. Tucker took him apart simply by letting him talk: Boot didn’t answer a single question put to him, and, in the course of it all, as Boot resorted to the typical ad hominems, Tucker made a cogent point:

“[T]o dismiss people who disagree with you as immoral – which is your habit – isn’t a useful form of debate, it’s a kind of moral preening, and it’s little odd coming from you, who really has been consistently wrong in the most flagrant and flamboyant way for over a decade. And so, you have to sort of wonder, like –

”BOOT: What have I been wrong about, Tucker? What have I been wrong about?

”CARLSON: Well, having watch you carefully and known you for a long time, I recall vividly when you said that if we were to topple the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, the region will be much safer and the people who took their place would help us in the global war on terror. Of course it didn’t happen –“

Boot starts to completely melt down at this point

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Blogger Gimli July 16, 2017 8:06 AM  

i saw this yesterday on youtube. well worth looking up.

Blogger Koanic July 16, 2017 8:14 AM  

Neocon arrogance and Wall Street arrogance are one, the corrupting influence of the One Ring, the Federal Reserve, burning on the fist that wields the USSA's worldhammer.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 16, 2017 8:14 AM  

One thing we should probably remember about the Controlled Opposition aspect of DC is that it applies for the Democrats as well. Their NatSec policy is normally so insane that anyone that's not bat-s*** crazy on the topic sounds like they're putting forward a solid idea. But, now that we have Trump and some logical & strategic thinkers around, the NeoCons are suddenly just Imperalist Warmongers that want to blow up everything.

As for Iraq, I can still defend the *Invasion* on Strategic grounds. As for the Occupation, well, we really should hang a few people for that catastrophic failure that was. (Iraq was a mess we got ourselves into and had fairly bad options for extracting out of.)

Blogger traderdoc July 16, 2017 8:16 AM  

Ralph Peters = Elmer Fudd

Blogger JACIII July 16, 2017 8:19 AM  

Neocons foaming at the mouth because no one will buy their evil Russian bullshit. Glorious.

"They're enemies because we say so!"

The whole "Russian enemy" thing is a little like the temporal double vision of Trump election deniers or sufferers from Trump derangement syndrome in that the world has changed but thier vision of it hasn't.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 16, 2017 8:30 AM  

This nonsense is why the 1488 crowd goes overboard defending Hitler. WW2 matters because it is still used on neocons and liberal interventionists to justify constant war. We must learn to accept that US involvement in WWI was foolish, if not shameful, and led to WW2 and that US involvement in WW2 was foolish, if not shameful, and basically involved hundreds of thousands of dead Americans so that Eastern Europeans could be ethnically cleansed and spend decades living in slavery. Not to mention they violated centuries old principles about staying out of Europe's balance of power conflicts. How many more decades do we have to wait for the 1940s propaganda to die?

Blogger traderdoc July 16, 2017 8:30 AM  

Max Boot = Gamma (((Hitler)))

Anonymous Causal Lurker July 16, 2017 8:31 AM  

Peters, the inglorious bastard, didn't bother to consult his own book, "Fighting for the Future." Look at his list of the seven signs of a failed state. I used the list and reasons to good effect, in a couple of personal involvements. Obviouslt he hadn't applied it to the Middle East. Every intervention, police action, military operation erased the regime du jour and put in a new bunch, then added more signs. One look at the region tells you that Chaos (house) keeps winning with a roll of seven.

Russia has always been our rival; the Soviets were an enemy. Big difference in those meanings. We'll always have friction and skirmishes with a rival. But seriously - supporting Iran? Russia acting as Rome 2.5 has two main enemies: Islam (spiritual) and Persia (temporal). Both threaten the Rodina. Both stand in the way of acquiring warm water ports and in stabilizing the southern borders of the empire.

Pull out Thucydides, and step back to the beginning. Determine what the powers and player each see as their interests, fers, and prestigious values.

Blogger Mike Wallens July 16, 2017 8:44 AM  

Iraq was a disaster the minute we invaded. The argument that we didn't conduct the post invasion occupation properly is slightly less absurd than the belief that the removal of a secular Arab leader who hated Iran, was a good idea. US forces could have done things differently, such as not disbanding the Iraqi military but once they slaughtered a mess of Sunnis in Fallujah two months after the invasion, then it was hosed.

Tucker Carlson is great now. I just wish he had been this way in February of 2003.

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 16, 2017 8:45 AM  

Ralph peters wrote a great book about ww3. It looks like he has since lost his mind.

Blogger Salt July 16, 2017 8:51 AM  

I notice Ollie North has not been on with Tucker. He used to be pulled out of mothballs on a regular basis.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise July 16, 2017 8:51 AM  

When I was in high school, a friend of mine who had spent time in a juvenile detention facility asked a popular girl for a date. She rebuked him, owing to his questionable character. He then spent the next two weeks spreading vicious lies about her.

Witness the sore losers of the criminal Left, and their incessant prattle about "Russia."

Anonymous Opus July 16, 2017 8:55 AM  

Hitler simply cannot have been as bad as, my whole life, I have been led to believe; if he were then I would have been told that he was even worse than I had been told. I now know that he was a lot better, though invading France was not good - unlike Austria, Czech or Prussia it was not in any sense German; but why we the British had to get involved (I lost two relatives) and why the matter was not settled in 1940 I cannot understand.

My parents loved the war and that scoundrel Churchill and never ceased talking about it though I am greatly puzzled as to why in his twelve volume History of the thing Mr Churchill failed to so much as once mention Auschwich or Bergen-Belson. Hmmm.

Blogger VD July 16, 2017 8:57 AM  

This nonsense is why the 1488 crowd goes overboard defending Hitler. WW2 matters because it is still used on neocons and liberal interventionists to justify constant war.

That is NOT the right way to go about it. It shows a stunning ignorance of the rules of rhetoric.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 16, 2017 8:59 AM  

Fred Reed seems to have a special hatred for Lil Ralphie. He has written a couple of columns over the years bitch slapping him. But Reed's site is down this morning, so I can't link them.

Boot was the brave (((Russian))) who said this:
"This is not a war being won with American blood and guts. It is being won with the blood and guts of the Northern Alliance, helped by copious quantities of American ordnance and a handful of American advisers. After Sept. 11, President Bush promised that this would not be another bloodless, push-button war, but that is precisely what it has been." http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j111901.html


Of course he just wanted rednecks and trailer trash to die in his wars, can't have any of his fellow (((Russians))) getting killed.

Blogger APL July 16, 2017 9:03 AM  

Mike Wallens: "the post invasion occupation properly is slightly less absurd than the belief that the removal of a secular Arab leader who hated Iran, was a good idea."

And as if Iraq wasn't a sufficiently salutary lesson, Clinton ( while Secretary of State ) destroys the Gaddafi regime too.

Reports have it, that they Moslems are conducting slave markets in Tripoli now.

Then there is the nexus of Islamic contributions to the Clinton foundation, followed by US destruction of Libya, and destabilisation of Syria ( both secular Arab regimes ), Coincidence?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 16, 2017 9:09 AM  

Basically I think chaos is the operant strategy to reach global government over a bunch of brown raceless eaters. so Justin is correct to call them evil.

Blogger Charles Martel July 16, 2017 9:10 AM  

Peters is owned body and soul by Israelis--the Chabad Lubavitch cult, to be precise. Everything is downhill from there.

Anonymous Avalanche July 16, 2017 9:12 AM  

@6 'How many more decades do we have to wait for the 1940s propaganda to die?"

Get the jews out of media control (and govt control, and "just-us" control, and academe control...!) and the propaganda will die down (maybe, at least in its effectiveness). "Never forget" is burned into them at the neuronal level, so they try (and alas, too often succeed!) to burn it into the neuronal level in the goy!

This, I find (thank you, Dark Lord), is where the Alt Reich falls down. YES they are right -- it doesn't matter (talk about being hung up on the dialectical level)! YES, they are right -- and it matters not the tiniest whit!

I see so many correspondences between the "noble losers" that are the conservative right and the "but dammnit it's the TRUTH!!" of the Alt Reich.

TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER! (Alas-and-alack!) Success does! If the "weapon" of "Hitler was right, dammnit!" is not helping (and is actually harming our side) -- then set that weapon down!! Pick up (a lying rhetorical) one that hurts your enemy!

WINNING, not losing with the truth!

OpenID tonsplace July 16, 2017 9:14 AM  

Success in iraq depends on how you view things

At the time we were worried about terror attacks in the usa. Invading iraq created a conveniently located hajji kill box. The easy logistics made it a magnet for jihadist and we killed them by the truck load. Plus a lot of hajji on hajji action and its always good when the hajjis are killing each other. It was such an effective draw that hajj recruiters were literally begging for men to not go to iraq so they could launch operations inside the usa. That's a major success story. Much better to have hajjis playing lead tag with the 82nd in baghdad vs here in the rural South with school kids.

Now bush etc all being liberals wasted that success with different dumb shit ideas to numerous to count but that's a different series of topics

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 16, 2017 9:16 AM  

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 16, 2017 9:17 AM  

Run on Sentence Alert:

Assuming that America's entry into World War I was not justified, and assuming that entry into World War I set in motion a dynamic that caused World War II (the European theater), then it is fair to entertain the idea that America has been involved in conflicts of its own creation for an entire century.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 16, 2017 9:19 AM  

tonsplace wrote:Much better to have hajjis playing lead tag with the 82nd in baghdad vs here in the rural South with school kids.

Closing our own borders would have been cheaper and more effective. The whole "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" was just cover for doing the bidding of Tel Aviv.

Blogger YIH July 16, 2017 9:24 AM  

Gimli wrote:i saw this yesterday on youtube. well worth looking up.
I can do better than that: Ralph Peters and (((Max Boot))).
After seeing them I wonder why Tucker didn't ask both of them ''How much is Hillary paying you?'' and ''How much is the DNC paying you?'' over their hyperventilating over Russia.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 16, 2017 9:25 AM  

22. Al From Bay Shore July 16, 2017 9:17 AM
Assuming that America's entry into World War I was not justified, and assuming that entry into World War I set in motion a dynamic that caused World War II (the European theater), then it is fair to entertain the idea that America has been involved in conflicts of its own creation for an entire century.



and, once you realize that pretty much all of Lincoln's actions in the 1860s were anti-Constitutional
...
we're coming up on two centuries.

Anonymous Goy July 16, 2017 9:30 AM  

One goy bitchslapping a toygoy and his handler. Quite a site.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 16, 2017 9:32 AM  

@25 You're absolutely correct. Of course I get the slavery "thingy" but to understand the Civil War, you cannot begin with the mid-nineteenth century. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the writings of the Anti-Federalists, especially their predictions of consolidation, should be the starting point of any meaningful analysis of the causes of the Civil War. Of course, in these times, such a proposition will be met with "muh slavery". There's much more to it than that.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2017 9:32 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Closing our own borders would have been cheaper and more effective. The whole "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" was just cover for doing the bidding of Tel Aviv.

The whole ``fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here'' thing might have worked, if we hadn't started importing them in large numbers. Now we're fighting them here and there.

The cause of ``fighting them here'' isn't messing up the occupation. The cause of ``fighting them here'' is importing them so they can fight us here.

If we were to fight them, over there was the place to do it. The mohammedans have always been at war with us and always will be, so fighting them is just and reasonable.

Importing mohammedans is simply insane, whether we fight them there or not. Our misleaders, like McCain, Pelosi, Ryan, Reid, Romney and Schumer, hate us and want us dead.

Blogger Sam July 16, 2017 9:35 AM  

@13
"I now know that he was a lot better, though invading France was not good - unlike Austria, Czech or Prussia it was not in any sense German; but why we the British had to get involved (I lost two relatives) and why the matter was not settled in 1940 I cannot understand. "

He was at war with France and he needed to invade otherwise the German economy would fall apart. Unlike World War 1 Germany had a trading partner (USSR) with the raw materials it needed but also unlike World War 1 Hitler had put the country heavily into debt that without new sources of plunder it would collapse.

Now it might have been possible to scale back military spending, but for obvious reasons it would have been insanely stupid to do that during the middle of the war.

As for why the matter wasn't settled after the fall of France; it came very close. Lord Halifax attempted that but was stopped by Churchill. The reason was twofold- 1) Hitler was untrustworthy and 2) Peace would allow Hitler to dominate the continent and put him in a stronger position if he decided to wage war again.

Anonymous Goy July 16, 2017 9:36 AM  

The ancestral hate for Russia runs deep in Max Boot's blood.
The book "Our 200 years together" explains his hangups well.

Anonymous Didas Kalos July 16, 2017 9:37 AM  

@tonsplace; did you copy and paste your comments from some blog in 2003?

Anonymous two sentries July 16, 2017 9:38 AM  

"Reports have it, that they Moslems are conducting slave markets in Tripoli now."

Far better that the Moslems sell African would-be migrants in Tripoli, than Africans conducting slave markets (viz pimping out White girls) in Europe.

The neocohens are really, on a subconscious level, frothing about Russia because it is (((their))) enemy: it is one of the last White, non-converged, resurgent Christian nations, and it is powerful, and so, (((delelenda est))) and all that.

Look up "snow bathing" on Youtube to see what the noses are so worried about.


Blogger Chris Mallory July 16, 2017 9:43 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:The mohammedans have always been at war with us and always will be, so fighting them is just and reasonable.

If they are an ocean away and our borders are closed, there is no need to spend American blood and gold fighting them at all. Closing our borders was the only solution that made any sense.

It is not our responsibility to defend Europe or Israel.

Anonymous BBGKB July 16, 2017 9:44 AM  

Peters leaps into overstatement, as is his wont: “We can’t have an alliance with terrorists, and the Russians are terrorists.

Doesn't he know the jewish Bolsheviks are not in control of Russia anymore?

Max Boot = Gamma (((Hitler))) Max Boot = Gamma (((bootlicker)))

though invading France was not good - unlike Austria, Czech or Prussia it was not in any sense German

He said France would be overrun with Africans in 50 years if no one did anything.

The whole "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" was just cover for doing the bidding of Tel Aviv.

To be fair the plan was "fight them over there so American jews can be enriched by putting them on welfare & section 8 here" along with depopulating the regions Israel wants to expand into.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 16, 2017 9:48 AM  

I've learned a lot from Ralph Peters over the years, starting with his articles in Parameters back when Clinton was in the White House. The world is multipolar today in a way it never was when Peters adapted his Cold War worldview to account for the so-called "unipolar moment." Whatever we do, let's not push Russia and China closer together.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2017 9:50 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:If they are an ocean away and our borders are closed, there is no need to spend American blood and gold fighting them at all. Closing our borders was the only solution that made any sense.

It is not our responsibility to defend Europe or Israel.


All true. Still, the mohammedans are, and will always be, at war with us. Killing them is always right and proper.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 16, 2017 9:54 AM  

Look up "snow bathing" on Youtube to see what the noses are so worried about.

Maybe I'm slow today, but I don't get it. (Not that I mind watching chicks in bikinis in the snow, on a day when it's going to be 95 degrees here.) Do they think the Russians are going to make everyone do that?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 16, 2017 9:59 AM  

Tucker is following a tactic which seemed anti-conventional intellectualism and that he forced his clown adversaries to "Say it louder."

If you try an reason with a madman you work to make a madman sound reasonable.

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 10:00 AM  

Peters' voice gets higher when he gets nervous

also for some reason he felt the need to state that none of his friends get money from foreign countries

Anonymous Rocklea July 16, 2017 10:03 AM  

Max Boot; are these comic book character names? I mean really? What's his best friends name, Das Kapital? Anyway, Max Boot seems to have internalized the "Democrats are the real Racists" argument style and managers to demonstrate it effectiveness on more than one occasion.
To paraphrase:
Tucker: You're a poopyhead
Boot: No, you're a poopyhead
Almost as brilliant as the "I know you are but what am I?" strategy. It wouldn't be so bad if CFR stood for Condoms For Refugees, or Cars For Retirees, but alas, it's The Council on Foreign Relations.
Putin: America, lets work together and take out Isis.
Boot: You're evil, nah nah, I win.

Anonymous Grayman July 16, 2017 10:03 AM  

OT, but want to comment on yesterday's MAILBOX Re poverty....

Perhaps I'm behind the curve given the depth of the pool here, but the debate really struck me. Going back to a Christian society instead of neoliberal, killing usary, is a game changer.
We have had our local social networks destroyed intentionally so that we are mobile, fungible economic units and little else. Having a Christian society you have the local social networks to maintain social standards, to help those in need LOCALLY, many of the great social debates cease to exist as relativism dies and there is a clear moral compass!
While perhaps a trivial observation, it was a mini epiphany for me seeing it put into context of the debate on the mobility of the poor.
Going to a primarily ethno'state Christian nation, Christina as king,would catapult the US (or whatever comes out of the breakup) into a golden age beyond any other nation. The challenge would be to lock down the borders and maintain the Christian ethnostate.

Anonymous Grayman July 16, 2017 10:12 AM  

Perhaps one day I'll spellcheck my post....

Blogger Johnny July 16, 2017 10:17 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:If you try an reason with a madman you work to make a madman sound reasonable.

Mark Twain said it nicely. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Blogger Johnny July 16, 2017 10:20 AM  

@41

Christian or otherwise, we would be much better off if our social paternalism were local instead of national.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 16, 2017 10:21 AM  

@41 Grayman

Part of the rise of Civic Nationalism really was down to the fact that the country is so spread apart that you just have to assume the people on the other side of the country aren't trying to destroy you. This has, however, resulted in the country being a de facto In-land Empire since 1792. 1865 just solidified a de facto Emperor, just replaced every 4 years. (It's actually pretty terrible to be King, until the corruption set in.)

What happened when we entered the Progressive Era is that the government threw so much money at any "aid" situation that no amount of charity could "compete". It created the "dole" and we've been stuck there ever since. It's also why the "dole" is so shameful. The shameless would much rather just take the money and run, while those that understand what they're getting isn't charity feel trapped with regards to it.

Part of the disaster between 1960 and now is the tax rate. It's amazingly higher comparatively, which robs the Up & Comer of building wealth while sending it to the leech. It's a rough situation.

Blogger Charles Martel July 16, 2017 10:26 AM  

@19 "TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER! (Alas-and-alack!) Success does! If the "weapon" of "Hitler was right, dammnit!" is not helping (and is actually harming our side) -- then set that weapon down!!"

Nah. Hitler's mistake was to make everything about HIM and the "master race," i.e., Germans. His occasional bone tossing to Christ notwithstanding, he was not interested in having Christ involved in the Reich. Truth DOES matter. Without it you're toast.

Blogger John S July 16, 2017 10:28 AM  

Lol at the part when Tucker asked Boot if, with his terrible performance at his job; "maybe you should look into something else, like insurance sales or roofing?"

Hahahaha

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 16, 2017 10:31 AM  

We don't hear much about Eurabia anymore. Wonder why?

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2017 10:36 AM  

I don't care which one (or more) of 47 genders you (or is that xou?) are. "Bitchslapping neocons" is tingle-inducing.

Anonymous View July 16, 2017 10:42 AM  

there does seem to be an effort by various in my view -dishonest forces- to portray Russia .white Christian Russia. as the bad guy. Russia can help its own cause by disassociating with Muslim countries and breaking off any alliances with Muslim countries if its true that they have any.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 16, 2017 10:56 AM  

The more I hear folks talking about taking Russia out, the more I think it's setting off the programming in all of the various Soviet agents still active over here (not trying to sound conspiratorial; I've no doubt that there are those that still remain active over the past 26 years). The problem is that said agents weren't expecting the collapse of the Soviet Union as quickly as it happened, if at all. So now they're all overcompensating for a perceived power structure that's no longer there, and, based on the actions Putin's government, most likely won't be coming back.

Should we be skeptical of Russia? Of course. That's just good practice of OPSEC. But it shouldn't be used as a basis to enter into any sort of armed conflict against them. Do we not remember Mutually Assured Destruction? Do we not remember the total clusterf---s that were the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, or any of those other proxy conflicts we got involved in over the years? How well did THOSE end up working out for us?

Anonymous Aphelion July 16, 2017 11:02 AM  

Remarkable, I quite enjoyed this episode...proof of the stupidity of some though, a senior at the Pentagon was telling me how Peters had won this argument. Yes the building remains infected by hapless neocon idiots brought in by Bush & elevated by Obama.

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 11:04 AM  

50. Anonymous View July 16, 2017 10:42 AM
there does seem to be an effort by various in my view -dishonest forces- to portray Russia .white Christian Russia. as the bad guy.


yes, wouldnt it be (((convenient))) if the mostly white U.S. went to war with the mostly white Russia?

OpenID tonsplace July 16, 2017 11:14 AM  

I was in iraq for most of 2003. No Monday morning quarterback'ing for me

Yup closing the boarders would have been a good move; close the boarders and deporting the hajjis state side would have been better. Killing them there coupled with closed boarders and forced deportation would be best of all, though none of those combinations were an option at the time given the political reality on the ground

Blogger DonReynolds July 16, 2017 11:17 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Run on Sentence Alert:

Assuming that America's entry into World War I was not justified, and assuming that entry into World War I set in motion a dynamic that caused World War II (the European theater), then it is fair to entertain the idea that America has been involved in conflicts of its own creation for an entire century.


Keep reading American history and you may find that the Spanish-American War was certainly a "war of our own creation". Before that, you will find the American Civil War, which was a "war of our own creation". And before that, you will find the Mexican War....again, most certainly a "war of our own creation". Even the disaster we call the War of 1812, was certainly a "war of our own creation". And finally, the American Revolution itself, was certainly a "war of our own creation", which would have failed completely had it not been for considerable assistance from France. Gosh....WE seem to create our own wars in this country. I am not for sure why that would be an achievement or why they are better because someone else did not cause them instead.

Blogger Elizabeth July 16, 2017 11:20 AM  

Twenty years ago, Slobodan Milošević, president of Serbia, was compared to Hitler and the Serbs were compared to the Nazis. Yeah, right, Serbians were going to march down the Champs-Élysées in Paris.

Blogger Dexter July 16, 2017 11:23 AM  

US involvement in WW2 was foolish, if not shameful, and basically involved hundreds of thousands of dead Americans so that Eastern Europeans could be ethnically cleansed and spend decades living in slavery.

Nope. It was necessary. Eastern Europeans were going to be cleansed and killed no matter who won (Hitler or Stalin). What US involvement did was prevent WESTERN Europe from experiencing enslavement or extermination at Soviet hands.

Russia has always been our rival;

Nope. Not until 1945. In fact, in the 1700s and 1800s Russia was a de facto friend.

He was at war with France and he needed to invade otherwise the German economy would fall apart.

He mainly needed to conquer France in order to eliminate a threat to his rear before he attacked the Soviets, who were planning to attack him.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar July 16, 2017 11:25 AM  

I am happy to observe that Tucker has recovered nicely from the whole bow tie thing.

Blogger Robert What? July 16, 2017 11:27 AM  

I look at WW2 now very differently now than when I was younger. Today I see it as a tragic and wasteful White on White fratricide where the (((rabbits))) got the wolves to fight and exhaust each other so the rabbits could have free reign. There is no question that the ultimate winners of WW2 were the (((rabbits))). Hopefully if and when WW3 comes the Wolves won't be as gullible as they were in WW2.

Blogger Dexter July 16, 2017 11:27 AM  

Slobodan Milošević, president of Serbia, was compared to Hitler and the Serbs were compared to the Nazis.

Heh. EVERY SINGLE enemy leader since 1945 has been compared to Hitler; Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Qaddafi, Noriega, Saddam, Milosevic, the list goes on and on.

Blogger Dexter July 16, 2017 11:28 AM  

There is no question that the ultimate winners of WW2 were the (((rabbits))).

At least it wasn't cost-free for them. =D

Blogger Elizabeth July 16, 2017 11:29 AM  

Johnny wrote:@41

Christian or otherwise, we would be much better off if our social paternalism were local instead of national.


It's an ancient principle called "subsidiarity." There was a growing trend in the early 20th century towards providing welfare by state (e.g., a mother's pension) and the New Deal killed it off.

Anonymous two sentries July 16, 2017 11:30 AM  

"Maybe I'm slow today, but I don't get it."

Probably I was just not too specific, for reasons you'll understand if you watch the video. Maybe "Russia snow bathing" would get you the right one, I can't link directly to it. It is about the practice of snow bathing for small children as a means of building up strength and stamina. It's quite cute, in its way. But the very sight of so many young, healthy, hearty White children all playing happily in the snow, proving their stamina, must make (((somebody's))) head explode.

This --and resurgent Orthodox Christianity-- is why the noses believe RUSSIA IS TEH REAL ENEMY!!!11!! and "Russia delenda est". It has absolutely nothing to do with elections, Syria, or anything else.

Anonymous Rocklea July 16, 2017 11:42 AM  

Russia's had its collapse, the West's is yet to come. Putin has no control or responsibility for it. He didn't make us invade the middle east. He didn't make us support the destabilization of secular dictators. He didn't force us to open our borders to hostile and disparate peoples. What Russia is doing is kicking out the NGO's, letting the church do it's thing and allowing more autonomy in it's various constituent nations. Who would oppose that?

Blogger DonReynolds July 16, 2017 11:45 AM  

@45 Looking Glass
"The shameless would much rather just take the money and run, while those that understand what they're getting isn't charity feel trapped with regards to it."

Welfare in this country was for decades "child welfare". It was never intended to create successful individuals or families. It was to enable them to survive dire want. Those with ability would find a way to do well and the rest would simply exist to create the next generation. Some would rise above their humble origins and the rest would not. It was not a prescription for creating success stories and still isn't.

"Part of the disaster between 1960 and now is the tax rate. It's amazingly higher comparatively, which robs the Up & Comer of building wealth while sending it to the leech. It's a rough situation."

That is simply untrue.
In 1960, the highest tax bracket was 70 percent! Part of the JFK prosperity was in seriously reducing the Federal income tax....after 1960. But remember, this was at a time when welfare as we know it did not exist. (Defense was half the Federal budget.) It was LBJ (and Nixon) that created the Welfare State....with Medicare in 1964 and Medicaid in 1965....both of which took 5 to 6 years to actually be implemented at the human level. Medicaid did not kick in until 1970.

Blogger kurt9 July 16, 2017 12:13 PM  

Peters wrote some good novels in the 90's and wrote several good books on terrorism in the early oughts. He seemed to go off the deep end sometime around '06-07, becoming a lot more emotional with lots of ranting and raving in his interviews. I stopped reading his stuff around this time, prior to which his books were very good, very insightful.

I'm wondering if Peters had some kind of medical event in 2006 or 2007 that changed his personality and perspective. The change was really quite abrupt and profound.

Blogger DonReynolds July 16, 2017 12:15 PM  

Oh yeah....the Food Stamp Act was passed in 1964 and the program did not become a national program until 1974. Before that, the Food Stamp program targeted the counties having the greatest poverty.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 16, 2017 12:28 PM  

The shocker is FOX allows Tucker to savage neo-conservatives. Frequent guests such as Mark Steyn, who was on Carlson's show just before Boot (which pissed Mr. Iraq off), devastate the neo-cons with witty mockery and raw facts. Much was made about Murdoch's left-leaning children taking the helm, but at least on the foreign policy front they appear somewhat ready to challenge their father's neo-con/liberal interventionist philosophy.

All cucks are neo-con friendly although all and perhaps most neo-cons aren't cucks as much as Israel lobbyists and/or war criminals. It is refreshing to see right-leaning hosts and guests on a major network pounce on neo-cons and liberal interventionists from time to time. More, please.

Blogger kurt9 July 16, 2017 12:31 PM  

I just watched the video with Paters in it. Its like he's not even the same guy who used to be on Fox News around 2002 or so. Its actually painful to watch him, his emotionalism and what not. Something, I don't know if its medical or maybe some kind of family tragedy, clearly happened to Peters in the mid to late oughts that profoundly changed this man. I can tell you he is not the same guy he used to be. The Max Boot video appears to be deleted.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 16, 2017 12:38 PM  

And as if Iraq wasn't a sufficiently salutary lesson, Clinton ( while Secretary of State ) destroys the Gaddafi regime too.

Wonder where Gaddafi's 135 tons of gold went to? His plan was to launch the Libyan gold dinar as an alternative oil-denomination currency. The first thing the Soros rent-a-mob did when the took over Bengazi was to set up a central bank for the (((usual suspects))). Supposedly, one of Gaddafi's sons escaped wtih a portion of the gold into the south (Chad, etc.), where there are places to hide.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 16, 2017 12:48 PM  

Sure, let's start a massive, civilization-killing war based on the advice of people who have been consistently, horrifically wrong and refuse to learn anything from their mistakes.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 16, 2017 12:51 PM  

It just occurred to me - Hitler supposedly killed himself. I wonder what he knew about Hillary.

Blogger Elder Son July 16, 2017 12:56 PM  

American and NATO globalists are just creating a NWO/Globalist regional Arab/Persia apocalyptic Sunni Caliphate for world peace. Israel is in for a real surprise when that is accomplished.

By the way, let's not forget all those fantastic deals Churchill made with Stalin.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 16, 2017 12:57 PM  

What US involvement did was prevent WESTERN Europe from experiencing enslavement or extermination at Soviet hands.

Wrong. As VD mentioned a few weeks ago, Eastern Europe fared better in terms of retaining their distinctive identity and culture than the allegedly "free" West did, despite being under the boot of the Soviet Empire and the economic slavery of classic Marxist dogma. There was no extermination. The error is in thinking that Western Europe was somehow not under an empire when in fact it was under a far more poisonous and evil one - the Banana Empire of the USSA, whose goal is nothing less than total genocide (Kalergi Plan). Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic are all far better off than "free" Britain, France and Sweden - for now. One note of caution about all the recent chest thumping for Poland, et al is to take note that they have not left the tender clutches of either the EUSSR or its muscle - NATO. Nor has Trump made any move to dismantle the absurd Banana Empire network of military bases in Europe - still there a full quarter century after the Red Army went back to Russia. Trump, despite being the nominal commander in chief, apparently has no real control over the military. Foreigners like (((Max Boot))) apparently still do.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 16, 2017 1:07 PM  

Tucker is a very sharp kid.

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 1:15 PM  

Wonder where Gaddafi's 135 tons of gold went to?

a few years ago Germany said they wanted their gold back, which had been sent to the U.S. for "safekeeping" - for some reason they were told no.

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 1:19 PM  

That's a major success story. Much better to have hajjis playing lead tag with the 82nd in baghdad vs here in the rural South with school kids.

much better to keep hajis out of your country

Blogger YIH July 16, 2017 1:30 PM  

kurt9 wrote:The Max Boot video appears to be deleted.
Yep, got pulled. Found a mirror for (((Boot))).

Blogger DonReynolds July 16, 2017 1:40 PM  

andon wrote:Wonder where Gaddafi's 135 tons of gold went to?

a few years ago Germany said they wanted their gold back, which had been sent to the U.S. for "safekeeping" - for some reason they were told no.


At the start of the Spanish Civil War in 1936, the Leftist government transferred 560 tons of fine gold, held by the Spanish Central Bank to the USSR on four ships, bound for Odessa. A significant amount of that gold was in the form of gold coin, mostly American gold coin.

Despite decades of requests from the Spanish government, that gold was never returned. In Wikipedia, the search would be for "Moscow Gold".

Anonymous funkybunk July 16, 2017 1:42 PM  

Boot "has been consistently wrong in the most flagrant and flamboyant way".

He may have been wrong but he was 'right' to make that argument: the "make the US safer by doing what we want" rhetoric worked. Will it work now? What are the real motives?

Blogger Dexter July 16, 2017 1:57 PM  

Wrong. As VD mentioned a few weeks ago, Eastern Europe fared better in terms of retaining their distinctive identity and culture than the allegedly "free" West did, despite being under the boot of the Soviet Empire and the economic slavery of classic Marxist dogma.

Wrong. Eastern Europe inarguably experienced Soviet enslavement. If you think Western Europe and the USA would have been "better off" if the Red Army had reached the Atlantic in 1945, then you are a complete moron.

There was no extermination.

Mass killings for political repression occurred in EVERY Soviet-occupied country after 1945.

The error is in thinking that Western Europe was somehow not under an empire

Your error is asserting that I said Western Europe was not under an empire, which I did not.

If you believe the American empire of 1945-1990 was as poisonous and evil as the USA today, or as poisonous and evil as the Soviet empire 1945-1990, you are seriously deluded.

Nor has Trump made any move to dismantle the absurd Banana Empire network of military bases in Europe

In point of fact, Clinton, Bush, and Obama significantly reduced that empire after 1991. American military power in Europe today is little more than the Cheshire cat's smile.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 16, 2017 2:06 PM  

81. Dexter

If you think Western Europe and the USA would have been "better off" if the Red Army had reached the Atlantic in 1945

Is France better off than Poland?

Is Sweden better off than Hungary?

The nations of the former Eastern Bloc are willing to fight and defend their culture and their people while the western states are selling their own people out as fast as they can.

I don't like it any better than you do, but reality doesn't much care what we like.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 16, 2017 2:07 PM  

He may have been wrong but he was 'right' to make that argument: the "make the US safer by doing what we want" rhetoric worked. Will it work now? What are the real motives?

Your question was answered 11/8/16. The wailing and gnashing of teeth from Peters, Boot, the communists/left-wing, and Republican regulars is because the gig is up.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 16, 2017 2:12 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Oh yeah....the Food Stamp Act was passed in 1964 and the program did not become a national program until 1974. Before that, the Food Stamp program targeted the counties having the greatest poverty.



Federal food aid programs, including an early version of food stamps date back to the 1930's.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 16, 2017 2:17 PM  

@76 Germany has repatriated over 500 tons of gold from the US and France since 2013. Meanwhile the Bundesbank has been a net seller of gold.

Anonymous 11b July 16, 2017 2:24 PM  

I look at WW2 now very differently now than when I was younger. Today I see it as a tragic and wasteful White on White fratricide...

Go back and reexamine WW1 and you will probably feel the same.

Anonymous funkybunk July 16, 2017 2:32 PM  

The EU fell for the 'open borders' rhetoric and they will eventually have to expel the Muslims. When they do Israel will start expelling Muslims.

If the EU does not expel Muslims they will be considerably weaker. Either way it's a win.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 16, 2017 2:37 PM  

Having muslims in Europe is only a win for the enemies of Western Civilization. As we've seen from the Soviet example, nations can survive destructive governments. They don't survive uncontrolled immigration.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 16, 2017 2:42 PM  

Ralph Peters in 2006 on Eurabia, makes predictions:

http://nypost.com/2006/11/26/the-eurabia-myth-muslims-take-over-europe-sorry-theres-no-chance/

Nice fantasy here:

I have no difficulty imagining a scenario in which U.S. Navy ships are at anchor and U.S. Marines have gone ashore at Brest, Bremerhaven or Bari to guarantee the safe evacuation of Europe’s Muslims. After all, we were the only ones to do anything about the slaughter of Muslims in the Balkans. And even though we botched it, our effort in Iraq was meant to give the Middle East’s Muslims a last chance to escape their self-inflicted misery.

Includes civic nationalist junk:

AND we’re lucky. The United States attracts the quality. American Muslims have a higher income level than our national average. We hear about the handful of rabble-rousers, but more of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslims are doctors, professors and entrepreneurs.

Again, how come we don't hear about Eurabia anymore?

Anonymous funkybunk July 16, 2017 2:50 PM  

Is Israel an enemy of Western Civilization? What about neocons?

Blogger Michael Maier July 16, 2017 2:58 PM  

The US better not even lift a finger when the EU slaughters the Muslims. Just let them take out the damned trash.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 16, 2017 3:13 PM  

@81. Nobody here is stating that the Soviet empire was good, or denying that they executed many in the countries occupied. One of Stalin's more barbarous stunts was putting (((usual suspects))) in charge of Soviet Poland, where they proceeded to execute many thousands of Polish Catholics who actively fought the Nazis in extermination camps. Yes they were murderous and it was a form of enslavement. It's also worth noting that sectors of Banana Empire occupied France controlled by (((communists))) carried out similar programs of executions of thousands of French Catholics and Potestants who resisted Nazis as alleged "collaborators".

At the end of the day, VD's take is correct. Bad as it was, it was not as genocidally poisonous as the Fake Banana Empire, whose plan for extermination of whites was established along with the UN, the Rockefellers, the CFR and the NWO in general in ther period following the WW II. Which country is worse off - Poland or France? The communist regimes were bad, but the "free-market" (actually rigged-markets powered by debt-racketeering) places are even more poisonous. Solzhenitzyn noticed this shortly after his arrival here after being kicked out of the USSR - hence the speech at Haaavaaard that fell on such deaf ears.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 16, 2017 3:19 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:
The US better not even lift a finger when the EU slaughters the Muslims. Just let them take out the damned trash.

You can be absolutely certain that the instant such a reconquista begins, the NATO army - primarily staffed with legions of the Fake Banana Empire - will promptly be issued orders by their real command - folks like (((Max Boot))) - to crush the attempt and side with the Musloids. The pattern was already established in the balkans. If countries like Poland and Hungary are serious about saving themselves from extermination, they need to leave both the EUSSR and NATO.

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 3:22 PM  

The EU fell for the 'open borders' rhetoric

sounds like you're assuming they're innocent

i doubt they "fell" for anything

Blogger Nick S July 16, 2017 3:30 PM  

After some consideration it's obvious all questions to the Trump camp could be adequately answered by limiting responses to the following:

1) So what?
2) Yes.
3) No.
4) That's irrelevant.
5) That's logically incoherent/inconsistent.
6) We don't care.
7) Thank you.

Explain only when it's absolutely essential and only while pointing out how idiotic the necessity is.

Anonymous funkybunk July 16, 2017 3:33 PM  

Certainly the majority of voters who support open borders did. How many idiot idealists are in leadership? I don't know. I suspect there are many pliable EU leaders capable of being led by the nose to their own destruction.

Not EU, but take Trudeau for example. He strikes me as a good example of an idiot idealist.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 16, 2017 3:33 PM  

Again, how come we don't hear about Eurabia anymore?

We aren't to the point where it's a fait accompli, which almost is the case in Sweden, or Europeans fight back as has happened to a degree in the UK, the Netherlands and France. In the former context "Eurabia" will be used to sound a note of triumphalism, in the latter context the term will be used for purposes of rhetorical derision.

You left out my favorite passage from Peters in your pull quote, though. This is rich, unintentional parody:

And the American dream is still alive and well, thanks: Even the newest taxi driver stumbling over his English grammar knows he can truly become an American...
But European Muslims can’t become French or Dutch or Italian or German.


A tour of Minneapolis or Dearborn wouldn't change the colonel's analysis a whit. Peters, Boot and all of that ilk always has been unhinged, but events caught up with them rather quickly.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 16, 2017 3:43 PM  

@93:

Absolutely. The NATO-Bootlickers more or less directed the genocide of Orthodox Kosovars. Russia won't forget that outrage, ever, and it is fresh on the minds of the East Europeans.

The EU has long-term plans to establish its own military force, and the Banana Empire doesn't care much for that idea. The upside is the friction over the issue shows who is the top in NATO's master/servant relationship.

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 16, 2017 3:48 PM  

" The Russians, says Peters, are paving the way for the Iranians – the real evil in the region – to “build up an empire from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean.” "

That was pretty clearly the Obama administration's policy.

"“[T]o dismiss people who disagree with you as immoral – which is your habit – isn’t a useful form of debate, it’s a kind of moral preening"

What Tucker is noticing is how the AntiTrump right (the Washington Generals) aren't much different than the SJW Left.

Same moral preening. Same globalism. Same contempt for the peasants. And same pants shitting hysteria over Trump. The Neocons were first, but I'm starting to see a lot of lunatic Anti Trump hysteria on Fox as well.

So much winning for Trump corresponds to so much losing for them. Again, much like the SJWs, the Washington Generals are starting to see that the Trump era is ending their reign, even if their gig is just as the perennial loser opposition to the Left.

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 16, 2017 3:53 PM  

Causal Lurker wrote:
Russia has always been our rival; the Soviets were an enemy.


Nice encapusalation. I'm stealing that one.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 16, 2017 3:56 PM  

Charles Martel wrote:Nah. Hitler's mistake was to make everything about HIM and the "master race," i.e., Germans. His occasional bone tossing to Christ notwithstanding, he was not interested in having Christ involved in the Reich. Truth DOES matter. Without it you're toast.
The "master Race" rehtoric was necessary. Germany had been a mess of squabbling principalities within living memory. The German national anthem Deutschland Uber Alles (Germany Above All) was an 18th century plea to unite the German tribes so they could defend themselves and build a modern nation-state. There was, even in the 1920s, a problem with national vs tribal sentiment.
Hitler's real problem was his economic program, which was essentially "borrow, and then borrow some more. When the credit runs out, start stealing." When the Germans had nothing left to steal, he set out to steal from everybody else.
And any mention Hitler made to Christ was purely a rhetorical flourish, intended to gull the Christian Germans. He was a known Theosophist.

funkybunk wrote:Is Israel an enemy of Western Civilization? What about neocons?
Obviously. To ask the question is to answer it.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 16, 2017 4:06 PM  

@97
We aren't to the point where it's a fait accompli, which almost is the case in Sweden, or Europeans fight back as has happened to a degree in the UK, the Netherlands and France. In the former context "Eurabia" will be used to sound a note of triumphalism, in the latter context the term will be used for purposes of rhetorical derision.

I understand why the usual suspects won't discuss it. But I do not understand why the alt Right has dropped it. Eurabia is rhetoric that accurately describes what's happening, and it used to give fits to the likes of Peters. What's not to like?

Blogger DonReynolds July 16, 2017 4:06 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:DonReynolds wrote:Oh yeah....the Food Stamp Act was passed in 1964 and the program did not become a national program until 1974. Before that, the Food Stamp program targeted the counties having the greatest poverty.



Federal food aid programs, including an early version of food stamps date back to the 1930's.


Correction.....The Food Stamp program started in the 1930s was a Depression Era solution to Agricultural Overproduction and low prices. It was a Farm Program. And when the agricultural surpluses ended in 1943, so did the Food Stamp program, and it did not re-appear again until the 1960s.....first as a pilot program and then with the 1964 Food Stamp Act targeting poverty counties.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 16, 2017 4:57 PM  

As Max Boot demonstrates, the neo-cons have lost the moral component of war.


In the video, Boot constantly tries to assert his moral superiority (makes by the pseudo dialectic over policy choices)

The "I am your moral better, you will do as I say" approach is dead.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 16, 2017 5:40 PM  

Well said simpletimothy

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 5:44 PM  

96. Anonymous funkybunk July 16, 2017 3:33 PM
Certainly the majority of voters who support open borders did. How many idiot idealists are in leadership? I don't know. I suspect there are many pliable EU leaders capable of being led by the nose to their own destruction.

Not EU, but take Trudeau for example. He strikes me as a good example of an idiot idealist.


i suspect most of the politicians are bought and or threatened. For the civilians i doubt they ever had 50% support for these policies in most of these countries and certainly not now, which is why they have to step on Free Speech. The politicians dont want to hear and be reminded of what the actual citizens think of their treasonous policies.

For Trudeau, i wouldnt be surprised if there's $$$omething in it for him behind his smiling face

Anonymous andon July 16, 2017 5:50 PM  

Peters: "And the American dream is still alive and well, thanks: Even the newest taxi driver stumbling over his English grammar knows he can truly become an American..."

except he doesnt want to become an American. he's only here for the $$$$

Anonymous Looking Glass July 16, 2017 5:50 PM  

On the topic of NeoCons, McCain had a 2 inch piece of his brain removed. Not a joke. They're calling it a "blood clot", but it's either an infarction or his skin cancer migrated. If the Lord is really blessed us today, Sen. McCain will spend the rest of his days drooling into a cup.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 16, 2017 5:55 PM  

@101 Snidely Whiplash

The Nazi party took specific steps to infiltrate and co-opt the German Lutheran church. They knew it would be a problem if they didn't split up the power base first. They were generally fairly effective at it. The Confessing Church, which split off, never quite understood the problem they faced. Rhetoric + Power vs Dialectic? Where have I heard that one?

Blogger Xellos July 16, 2017 6:01 PM  

REKT

Anonymous Gardner July 16, 2017 6:29 PM  

Ukraine's gold has also mysteriously disappeared....

Anonymous BBGKB July 16, 2017 6:30 PM  

The US better not even lift a finger when the EU slaughters the Muslims. Just let them take out the damned trash.

The sad thing is that there are faggots who think US soldiers should protect moslems in Europe.

Anonymous Gardner July 16, 2017 6:32 PM  

(((They))) have been stockpiling gold for decades. They have enough gold to manipulate any gold backed currency. This is why I view preppers storing gold for when shtf as pointless.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 16, 2017 6:43 PM  

I do not watch tv, but I saw a clip from a couple of days ago of Fox News' Chris Stirewalt & Chris Hayes full on bashing Trump, in complete Neo-Con mode. I noticed there also was a clip of Shep Smith throwing a fit calling Trump a liar, making the rounds. Evidently, Fox spends the vast majority of its day bashing Trump & bathing in NeoConnery, but allows Carlson and maybe Hannity to occasionally veer from that path.

Anonymous AB.Prosper July 16, 2017 6:52 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Chris Mallory wrote:DonReynolds wrote:Oh yeah....the Food Stamp Act was passed in 1964 and the program did not become a national program until 1974. Before that, the Food Stamp program targeted the counties having the greatest poverty.



Federal food aid programs, including an early version of food stamps date back to the 1930's.


Correction.....The Food Stamp program started in the 1930s was a Depression Era solution to Agricultural Overproduction and low prices. It was a Farm Program. And when the agricultural surpluses ended in 1943, so did the Food Stamp program, and it did not re-appear again until the 1960s.....first as a pilot program and then with the 1964 Food Stamp Act targeting poverty counties.


Yeah. The thing is we didn't need it nearly as much in 1960 or even into the 80's as there were a great many jobs at a tolerable pay for a great many temperaments and skill sets

These days automation and computers and of course the ease of global trade have gutted the job market

Take Craigslist for example, it employs 35 people all in all but basically destroyed the entire newspaper classified industry which employed a lot of people, things like Expedia did the same for travel planning and you are seeing the start of it in food service and on the horizon automated trucks , MP3 you name it

Hell watch "How its made" some time and even the smaller factories have far fewer workers than a factory a few decades ago.

This has resulted in wages measured as percent GDP being half what they were and labor force participation being the lowest level in US History

Hell the decline in birth rates charts nicely with the economy as well , it dropped fastest during the 70s' recession and staid at that low level since for most folks wages don't improve

And yes changes in culture and abortion had some do with it , assuming we could have high fertility rates with a bad economy is laughable. If this was the case highly religious Poland wouldn't be at doomsday levels whereas Sweden is at slow decline.

The net effect of this going to be an increasingly crisis driven bloated state, hell its the reason that the Republicans can't act like actual Conservatives and simply repeal Obama care is the affordable care act is that a lot of them have actual constituents who vote and who want the thing as bad as it is. well that and the looting but that's another issue.

I always put it this way, putting in automation is pretty much identical to voting for Bernie or someone to the Left of him. If a lot of people are not doing well they'll turn to the state to help and like it or not, it is in fact what governments do and always have done. welfare dates back to the first cities

The funny thing is if the US hadn't been inundated with race bullcrap in the 2Oth century and later Cultural Marxism and immigration , we'd be discussing how much the national welfare system should pay out and how high taxes should go.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 16, 2017 7:13 PM  

@114 Zeroh Tollrants
Evidently, Fox spends the vast majority of its day bashing Trump & bathing in NeoConnery, but allows Carlson and maybe Hannity to occasionally veer from that path.
---

Pretty much the only parts of Fix News that escape from your description is Fox and Friends, Hannity, and Tucker.

Who can stomach the 5 when you have to watch such retards are Juan Williams, might as well turn to CNN.

Fix Business is better but they are heavy on the Civ Nat. Lou Dobbs is maybe the best of the bunch of both channels.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 16, 2017 7:23 PM  

@102:

It is effective rhetoric. The Peters crowd may have convinced people it is OTT. Maybe we can help reintroduce it.

Blogger Charles Martel July 16, 2017 7:56 PM  

@55 "[T]he American Revolution itself, was certainly a "war of our own creation", which would have failed completely had it not been for considerable assistance from France."

And from the Masonic Lodges.

Blogger praetorian July 16, 2017 7:59 PM  

That's a major success story. Much better to have hajjis playing lead tag with the 82nd in baghdad vs here in the rural South with school kids.


I can't believe they are still trotting this out.

How many southerners have died or lost limbs in these complete wastes of time and money? How many southern kids lost their father? How much money could we have spent monitoring and removing muslims?

The people who wanted these wars don't give a rats about any southern kids, except as cannon fodder.

OpenID tonsplace July 16, 2017 8:10 PM  

Legit praetorian but I said Southern because I don't care what happens to yankees

Blogger Elder Son July 16, 2017 8:14 PM  

Wrong. Eastern Europe inarguably experienced Soviet enslavement. If you think Western Europe and the USA would have been "better off" if the Red Army had reached the Atlantic in 1945, then you are a complete moron.

Eastern Europe experienced Soviet enslavement, because USA got involved in WWII. Plus, the Percentages agreement.

Anonymous MongoJimmy July 16, 2017 8:31 PM  

...the "master race," i.e., Germans.

Is Herrenvolk what is normally translated as "master race"? Would "Gentlemen Folk" or something be just as accurate? Are the Chosenites projecting?

Blogger Fr. Frank July 16, 2017 9:46 PM  

Ralph Peters = Barney Fife

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 16, 2017 10:25 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:
On the topic of NeoCons, McCain had a 2 inch piece of his brain removed. Not a joke. They're calling it a "blood clot", but it's either an infarction or his skin cancer migrated. If the Lord is really blessed us today, Sen. McCain will spend the rest of his days drooling into a cup.

... and how would that be any different than what he does already? Perhaps the screetching will stop?? It couldn't drop his IQ anymore, he's already a drooling idiot. The man obviously is in need of some of that special Epstein's Haitian pizza the Gay Old Pedos are so very fond of. Needs to give John Pedosta a call... Keep the old zombie lurching along for another campaign to the AZ (Alzheimer's) electorate for yet another 6 years of pizza parties.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 16, 2017 10:44 PM  

@Causal Lurker

"Peters, the inglorious bastard, didn't bother to consult his own book, "Fighting for the Future." Look at his list of the seven signs of a failed state. I used the list and reasons to good effect, in a couple of personal involvements. Obviouslt he hadn't applied it to the Middle East. Every intervention, police action, military operation erased the regime du jour and put in a new bunch, then added more signs. One look at the region tells you that Chaos (house) keeps winning with a roll of seven."

Or perhaps the aim is, in fact, to reduce these countries to failed states? A review of the Yinon Plan and "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" (position paper written by dual citizens for Netanyahu in the 90s) might be in order here.

Blogger Billy July 16, 2017 10:58 PM  

If Tuck keeps exposing people, I fear soon his show will be off the air.

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 16, 2017 11:46 PM  

“We can’t have an alliance with terrorists, and the Russians are terrorists."
When spoken by an American, this is riotous comedy in Russia. Must delay reading remainder of article until laughter subsides!
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Этот человек должен быть комедией исполнитель!

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 17, 2017 12:34 AM  

@Bobby Farr
"We must learn to accept that US involvement in WWI was foolish, if not shameful, and led to WW2 and that US involvement in WW2 was foolish, if not shameful, and basically involved hundreds of thousands of dead Americans so that Eastern Europeans could be ethnically cleansed and spend decades living in slavery."

Obligatory plug for Pat Buchanan's "Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War."

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 17, 2017 12:38 AM  

"What US involvement did was prevent WESTERN Europe from experiencing enslavement or extermination at Soviet hands."

Actually, Hitler prevented that.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2017 12:47 AM  

When spoken by an American, this is riotous comedy in Russia.

It sounds pretty funny to Americans with any sense, too. Even when the Russians were the Soviets and the Evil Empire, they were never "terrorists." We worried about them dropping a thousand nukes on us, not hijacking planes or suicide bombing public places. This guy just makes himself sound like a manipulative moron, grasping hopelessly at whatever word he thinks will trigger the response he wants.

Anonymous Carlos Danger July 17, 2017 2:35 AM  

@122 Herr means Lord so Herrenrasse is a Lord race.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 17, 2017 3:14 AM  

labor force participation being the lowest level in US History
This is pretty much due to 20% of the population of Mexico being in the US.

Blogger Dexter July 17, 2017 9:20 AM  

Even when the Russians were the Soviets and the Evil Empire, they were never "terrorists."

Yes they outsourced that function to the ragheads.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/how-the-soviet-union-transformed-terrorism/250433/

General Alexander Sakharovsky, head of the KGB's First Chief Directorate, famously said in 1971, "Airplane hijacking is my own invention," referring to the Palestinian Liberation Organization's hijackings.

Blogger Dexter July 17, 2017 9:24 AM  

Eastern Europe experienced Soviet enslavement, because USA got involved in WWII.

Nope. Eastern Europe was going to be enslaved by the Soviets whether or not the US got involved. Hitler failed to defeat the USSR and the Soviets were going to enslave Eastern Europe on their way to Berlin.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 17, 2017 10:11 AM  

Dexter wrote:Hitler failed to defeat the USSR

Mostly because the FDR White House, lousy with Soviet loving Homo-Globo-Marxists, built up Soviet infrastructure all through the 30's and gave them tens of billions of dollars worth of war materials once the war broke out. This included the materials and plans to build atomic bomb FACTORIES.

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/fdr-scandal-page/lend.html

https://archive.org/stream/FromMajorJordansDiaries-TheTruthAboutTheUsAndUssr/FromMajorJordansDiaries-TheTruthAboutTheUsAndUssr_djvu.txt

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 17, 2017 10:52 AM  

Opus wrote:though invading France was not good

France and England had a 2 million man army ready to invade the Ruhr, the industrial heart land of Germany. Germany's preemptive invasion of France and the Low Countries was an act of national defense. And why was France and England going to invade Germany? Ostensibly it was over Poland. What was England's and France's response to Poland when they complained about the Soviet Union invasion of their country? "Drop Dead!" in so many words. Similar responses were given to Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia when the blood soaked Communists took over those nations.

Anonymous Daniel H July 17, 2017 5:35 PM  

@13
>>Hitler simply cannot have been as bad as, my whole life, I have been led to believe;

Hitler was worse than you have been led to believe. Not only did he slaughter several million Jewish civilians but he, and his Wehrmacht, deliberately starved hundreds of thousands of Russian civilians in the siege of St. Petersburg. And if he had triumphed, the civilian body count would have risen much more.

Hitler was an evil man who attracted a coterie of evil men around him. In light of Hitler's destruction Stalin's and his successors' seizure of and occupation of Eastern Europe is understandable.

If your awareness of Hitler's evil is waning a bit, read Martin Van Creveld's Hitler in Hell. A good book. Tries to enter the mind of Hitler (truly an impossibility) to understand what made hims tick. Anyway, a good social/political history of Hitler's life and deeds.

Blogger kurt9 July 18, 2017 12:22 AM  

I found the Max Boot video on Youtube. Its even more painful to watch than the Ralph Peters one. The ne0-con advocates of the interventionist foreign policy are clearly running on fumes. Neither Peters nor Boot offer any arguments of substance in support of their positions. It is only "Putin is evil! Putin is evil! repeated over and over again. This is not rational debate at all. These guys have clearly lost it.

Blogger Unknown July 18, 2017 6:45 AM  

Peters leaps into overstatement, as is his wont: “We can't have an alliance with terrorists, and the Russians are terrorists. They're not Islamists, ...

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Anonymous view July 18, 2017 10:30 AM  

I noticed that u rarely or possibly never see Jesse Waters or Charles Krauthammer appear with Hannity. Back in the late Oreilly era it always seemed like those two were volleying - large viewing audience- Oreilly's mind back and forth keeping it where they wanted it. Hannity whose mind is different and what i would call -more sophisticated- than Oreillys head did visit Israel and appear with Netanyahu. ....I have respect for Jewish people.one thing that they are not are fools. but i dont like when they try to make fools of non Jews. I guess i come on the internet to counter what i see as attempts to make fools of gentiles.

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