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Wednesday, July 26, 2017

College graduates are stupid

It's not your imagination. The Audacious Epigone explains:
The mean IQ scores, converted from GSS wordsum results, assuming a national average of 98 and a standard deviation of 15, of those who attended college for at least four years by the decade they graduated in* (n = 5,124, though n for 2010s is only 49 and should be seen as merely suggestive--the trend is clear regardless):

Graduated IQ
1960s 112.3
1970s 109.1
1980s 106.0
1990s 103.9
2000s 102.9
2010s 100.0

The change in the intelligence of the average college graduate over the last fifty years approaches the IQ gap separating whites and blacks.
College for everyone has been an unmitigated intellectual, academic, cultural, and economic disaster.

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107 Comments:

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2017 11:04 AM  

When you will issue a diploma to anyone with four years' tuition, standards are bound to decline.

Blogger Akulkis July 26, 2017 11:07 AM  

... 4 years tuition provided by the government.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 26, 2017 11:07 AM  

It's a whole standard deviation by 2020.

Blogger TheMaleRei July 26, 2017 11:07 AM  

As Mr. Molyneux has said many times... [paraphrased]:
"Smart people going to college does not mean that college will make dumb people smart, anymore than tall people playing in the NBA will make a short person tall."

Blogger Sillon Bono July 26, 2017 11:08 AM  

And thus holding a degree now means nothing, and to remedy this situation (((we))) need to bring all the bright browns from 3rd world countries.

Come on guys you know there is no alternative.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 26, 2017 11:09 AM  

Yeah, Molyneux covers this pretty well talking about the push to send everyone to college. College graduates used to do better than non-graduates because they were smarter, and smart people do better with or without college. But idiots who can't tell cause from effect thought that if we jammed stupid people through college, they'll do better too. They haven't helped those people, but they have destroyed the useful purpose colleges once served.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 26, 2017 11:10 AM  

IF we take it as a given that college is for the intellectually strong then unless the total population average goes lower than 100 by at least a standard deviation college becomes meaningless.

Anonymous two sentries July 26, 2017 11:21 AM  

When I was a kid, you got your college-level education in high school, then spent your college years specializing. Now you get a high school level education in college, that is if you get any education at all, besides (((indoctrination))) and, if you're white, constant group humiliation.

Anonymous Faceless July 26, 2017 11:24 AM  

It took me forever to understand how the progressive hive mind accomplished this goal of enslaving people as a ticket to a job:

First, they sued every big company for employment discrimination in the 1970s and 1980s. The solution was to write an objective job description, and, by objective, they meant that it required a certification or degree from some outside non-profit. Since certifications are pretty rare outside specialty fields, that meant a college degree.

Newly emboldened with their power over for-profit industry, the colleges and universities did what they do - they jacked up the prices.

Middle class America, seeing they wanted to get their children jobs, especially the girls, because they drunk heavily of the feminism that it's conservative to make sure your daughter don't need no man, found the money. Mostly, they started borrowing.

Middle class America squealed like stuck pigs to the government and demanded middle-class welfare a/k/a student loans.

The government was more than happy to oblige and enlarge the trap for keeping middle class sons and daughters working forever as slaves - producing taxes and paying into the government-run scheme without relief of bankruptcy. Christian feminist moralists were more than happy to add cover of the one-two punch of "don't you care about your daughters, too?" and "it's a mortal sin to not pay your taxes or to go bankrupt." The Protestant church rediscovered the doctrine of mortal sin!

Then, with Bill Clinton as salesman, they tried to reach down to the working class. Remember when Bill Clinton said that everyone should go to college? He didn't mean it as an opportunity; he meant it as a threat.

There's a reason those people are working class; lots of them are a whole lot simpler than the classic university population. So, you have the phenomenon that accelerates to this day - drop math requirements, destroy language and composition, make all the classes about politics. Somebody would still pay - the imprimatur of a North South Eastern University B.A. was still required to get a job. So, hollowed out of value for edification or erudition, it still had a value as the gatekeeper to employment.

And that's the whole play on fear, right? You want to be middle class, right? That means having a respectable job. To have a respectable job, you have to have a college degree. It doesn't really matter outside of the institutions of power at the very top where you get a degree - once out of the rarified air of the top clubs, East West Northern University or Central Valley River Mountain State are interchangeable credentials.

So, they enslaved the middle class because of their fear of falling out of the respectable middle, they ensnared the working class with the promise of moving up, they made the loans unbankruptable and put them on the backs of the taxpayer, they hollowed out the curriculums and made them places where they could simply use all this money to fund their politic pet projects and larvals.

The sum total is: We are ruled via the false god Democracy by idiots who believe themselves smart because they've been given a piece of paper from a directional school that teaches a curriculum less rigorous and shallower than the average high school a hundred years ago - and they're indignant about any suggestion that they aren't just as good as the product of America's universities a hundred years ago.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 26, 2017 11:24 AM  

My ex-school was tarded. She's a pilot program now.

Blogger Rabbi B July 26, 2017 11:28 AM  

Akulkis wrote:... 4 years tuition provided by the government.

College loan is the new mortgage.

Anonymous Faceless July 26, 2017 11:28 AM  

And by making them convinced that, for each little part, they were righteous - why, you're bringing up the people below 100 in IQ! you're giving them a great privilege! Never mind they're going to fail out after six years with $100k in debt they won't be able to escape - they animate the whole hive by hormones and emotions so that the limbs don't know they are working in concert.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 26, 2017 11:29 AM  

A degree went from being a token of accomplishment (and a signal of quality) to a means of legally hiring smarter people (once anything remotely like a prehire IQ test was outlawed) to now largely meaningless.

It's just another case of white flight. Every time minorities pike into a previously white (mainly Anglo-Saxon Protestant) venue, the value of that "real estate" craters.

Scale is killing the West. Only in small polities will the Status-seeking lunatics be properly muzzled & marginalized.

PS: pick a hobby, a university somewhere offers degree programs in ot.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. July 26, 2017 11:30 AM  

It's a problem tertiary to the IQ problem but one near and dear to my heart: 'We' look down on people -- at least in America -- that work with their hands so 'we' don't steer our children in that direction.

This needs to stop.

Blogger tz July 26, 2017 11:37 AM  

Degree = 6 figure Participation Trophy.

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 26, 2017 11:40 AM  

Universities should only be for the very top students. The rest would head to trade schools and vocational training. Foreign students would be strictly limited. I see no reason why we should train the elites of our competitors.

Anonymous TreeHuggerSaw July 26, 2017 11:42 AM  

More black women in college now.

Blogger Off The Wall July 26, 2017 11:43 AM  

Prime example of stupid college grad ...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/justin-trudeau-canadian-prime-minister-free-worlds-best-hope-w494098#

Rolling Stone says you guys want him - please take him.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 26, 2017 11:44 AM  

A nice study documented that graduates of the Harvard MBA program did about the same in their occupation as did those accepted to the program but who didn’t attend.

"g" and conscientiousness are key, we all know that. The left's studious denial of objective reality (because racism, sexism, etc.) is rarely more prominent.

Too bad about college. It used to be that a nice, intelligent girl could go to college & leave with an MRS degree, assortive mating at its best.

The protestant churches are moribund and college is now saturated with scum.

Where are bright young adults to go to court similarly bright, culturally compatible members of the opposite sex?

PS: our (((betters))) still have the synagogue and the 0.1% still have their exclusive clubs, summer camps and five-star vacation spots.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise July 26, 2017 11:45 AM  

This from USA Today:

In 1998, the number of high-school graduates with A averages was 38%.

In 2016, the number had risen to 47%. That's nearly half of all graduates.

Curiously, SAT scores over the same period fell 24 points.

Blogger Student in Blue July 26, 2017 11:46 AM  

Lots of good information in the blogpost and comment section that was linked. Led me to a number of other also very good sites that I'll have to start reading.

Blogger tuberman July 26, 2017 11:48 AM  

Pushing all minorities through even if they cannot read at an 8th grade level. I'm probably optimistic here as that Somali cop somehow got a degree, and an 8th grade reading level is probably a stretch.

Anonymous Ain July 26, 2017 11:49 AM  

Of all the things I was indoctrinated in as a youth, the virtues and necessity of college was the hardest one to break. Most of the rest never took hold.

The goal is to have everybody automatically in debt as they enter adult-hood. Rabbi B's referral to it as the new mortgage is very apt. But this time, people don't have anything to show for it -- not a house, not even a job in many cases.

If they could have it their way, we wouldn't own our cars, phones, computers and TV's either. Software licensing was a pilot program to see what people will put up with and get them used to the idea of not owning their property.

Anonymous Azimus July 26, 2017 11:59 AM  

I agree it waters down the implied value of the degree. I'd love to see the pie chart of degrees by type for the same sample though - I'm sure the number of Fine Arts and "College of Letters and Science" degrees exploded, and at least in relative terms, the number of science and engineering degrees decline.

Anonymous RJ July 26, 2017 12:00 PM  

Johnny Mayonnaise wrote:This from USA Today:

In 1998, the number of high-school graduates with A averages was 38%.

In 2016, the number had risen to 47%. That's nearly half of all graduates.

Curiously, SAT scores over the same period fell 24 points.
Johnny Mayonnaise wrote:This from USA Today:

In 1998, the number of high-school graduates with A averages was 38%.

In 2016, the number had risen to 47%. That's nearly half of all graduates.

Curiously, SAT scores over the same period fell 24 points.


And don't forget that they dumbed down the SATs a few years ago.

Blogger RobertT July 26, 2017 12:02 PM  

This comes as no surprise. The only reason for even getting a college degree instead of private scholarship is the laws of the land require a degree to be a doctor, lawyer, cpa, etc. But it's been my experience with the latter two of those, education does not guarantee competence. This weighs heavily on my mind when it comes to my doctor.

Anonymous Viking July 26, 2017 12:04 PM  

Not to worry, this is nothing that "redefining what smart is" can't fix.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 26, 2017 12:07 PM  

I see Faceless has figured out the college racket. All of edumacayshun is actually part of the same. A massive debt-slavery racket where the enslaved idiots chirp and cheer about their freedumbs as they rattle their chains. I remember as a kid one of my elders telling me that a college degree was basically a "work card". That was my first inkling that the edumacayshun being run by NEA and the Marxist professorate might not be about actually learning anything of value.

Blogger Sillon Bono July 26, 2017 12:10 PM  

Ain wrote:If they could have it their way, we wouldn't own our cars, phones, computers and TV's either. Software licensing was a pilot program to see what people will put up with and get them used to the idea of not owning their property.

As long as it is "convenient" and saves average or lower than average IQ people from thinking, they can get away with anything.

Blogger Ingot9455 July 26, 2017 12:14 PM  

He dindu nuffin! He was a good boy! He was gwan to cowledge!

Anonymous Uncle John's Band July 26, 2017 12:18 PM  

This confirms anecdotal experience. People used to say that snowflakes and vibrancy will get their wake-up call in the real world, but creeping "anti-discrimination" has gone from having to let them in, to not flunking them out, to graduating them, to letting them into grad and pro schools, to diversity in the workplace. The massive "public" economy is what provides employment for these credentialed frauds while keeping them safe from the tyranny of measurable outputs.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 26, 2017 12:21 PM  

9. Faceless July 26, 2017 11:24 AM
It took me forever to understand how the progressive hive mind accomplished this goal of enslaving people as a ticket to a job:



infections of the mind can cause amazingly complex behavior:

https://2m2l2d2d.blogspot.com/2017/04/extrapolate-this-to-human-society.html


question:
what do you suppose the moneylenders told themselves about what they were doing ... the day before Jesus threw them out of the temple?

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis July 26, 2017 12:21 PM  

There are ways to game this system. For example, go to a local community college "in district" and pay $2,500 per semester. Do that for 2 years and pick up an AA degree and simultaneously several technical certificates. Then transfer your credits to a good online university (see for example Western Governors University with costs ranging from $3K to $4K per term).

After 4 years you have a bachelors degree and a bunch of technical certifications for a total expenditure of $25K, which cost you can easily cover by working part time during that period. You have avoided all the SJW crap by following this method, and you have zero debt.

Blogger Doug Cranmer July 26, 2017 12:25 PM  

In the Canadian heartland his viewed with absolute contempt. We'd vote for a Trump equivalent if one came along.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 26, 2017 12:26 PM  

tz wrote:
Degree = 6 figure Participation Trophy.

Excellent meme. A college degree is indeed nothing more than a 6-figure Participation Trophy that is paid for by the recipients via borrowed vaporous fake money over years with sweat-stained fake money doled out for their labor.

Anonymous Jonathan July 26, 2017 12:26 PM  

@8

Very true. My father went to high school in the late 50's. He studied Latin, Greek mythology, read and understands classic literature, and learned to communicate verbally and in writing.

And this was in a Chicago public school.

OpenID doktorjeep July 26, 2017 12:29 PM  

I knew there was a problem back in the 1990s when even the lowest cubicle rat had a college degree.

And it was not even for what they were doing. Lots of "communications" degrees or something like that.

Anonymous Ain July 26, 2017 12:37 PM  

"This weighs heavily on my mind when it comes to my doctor."

The indoctrination of doctors is especially insidious. They actually come out of there believing (or paying lip service to, as to not lose everything) that pumping the body up with toxins is the solution to every problem.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 26, 2017 12:39 PM  

As others have observed in the past, it's just a cargo cult.

And of course it's based on the blank slate view of mankind. Therefore it was bound to fail.

Combine that with postmodern nonsense and it's no wonder we've gotten collectively more stupid.

There's a lot damage to be repaired.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2017 12:41 PM  

OT: TRUMP BANS TRANNIES FROM MILITARY

MELTDOWN IN PROGRESS

Anonymous Tipsy July 26, 2017 12:41 PM  

Mike Rowe has been taking heat for suggesting that not everyone benefits from college and would be better of learning valuable trades. His foundation provides scholarships and training for these types of jobs, which few are applying for (welder, aircraft mechanic, oil worker, etc.).

"You're anti-education" SJWs shout.

It's almost as if universities are left wing brain washing centers and SJWs are mandating that everyone partake in the indoctrination.

Blogger praetorian July 26, 2017 12:49 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:OT: TRUMP BANS TRANNIES FROM MILITARY

MELTDOWN IN PROGRESS


I was wondering why my covfefe tasted a little better than usual this morning...

Anonymous GregMan July 26, 2017 12:49 PM  

There is a known correlation between the increase in NAM participation and falling SAT scores. It's been known for a while that if you subtract NAM scores from the SAT's, Americans do just as well as the Japanese or Europeans, or very close to it. I suspect much of the decline in IQ in college students may simply be reflecting the same change in population.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2017 12:51 PM  

WHATCHA GONNA DO BROTHER WHEN THE GOD EMPEROR GOES WILD ON YOU

Blogger seeingsights July 26, 2017 12:51 PM  

I have a different interpretation. It's just that colleges have lowered their admission standards. In the early 90s I was an undergrad at a second tier school. About two years ago an undergrad from this same school was an accomplice in a drive by shooting--she was the driver, others in the car did the shooting. That is shocking-that kind of ghetto behavior was unthinkable from students at my school 25 years ago. There are people in our colleges who should not be there.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 26, 2017 12:53 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:He dindu nuffin! He was a good boy! He was gwan to cowledge!

Heh. That reminds me of the Michael Brown incident where the family and media trumpeted the notion that he was "going to go to college"; which was mendacious crap. He was planning to go to a tech school. The fact that people refer to this as "college" these days is telling too.

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 12:56 PM  

Hurray for "Vibrant Diversity"!!!

It would be more interesting if there was a break down by race and sex. I'd guess that white males have dropped but not by a standard deviation, while the performance of the other groups is exactly what one would expect based on know IQ differences.


@14 It's a problem tertiary to the IQ problem but one near and dear to my heart: 'We' look down on people -- at least in America -- that work with their hands so 'we' don't steer our children in that direction.

The more I look around the more obvious it is that even an ethno-state should have breeding standards. In a mixed ethnic state, not having some sort of breeding standard is functionally the equivalent of executing your best, brightest, "beautiful" people, only in slow motion. Worse yet, any liberal welfare type program that doesn't prohibit breeding of those using it is functionally breeding the least accomplished & least capable members of society while dis-incentivizing their accomplished population!

@35 A college degree is indeed nothing more than a 6-figure Participation Trophy that is paid for by the recipients via borrowed vaporous fake money

As someone who has to hire people n a technical field, degrees are almost worthless thanks to "diversity" and a lack of real standards. A 20 minute conversation is more effective at determining capability then a 15 page C.V.

@38 The indoctrination of doctors is especially insidious.

Having to work with them, it is clear to me they are more often dangerous to your health then they are helpful. Setting a broken bone, stitching up a wound, taking an x-ray, those are things they are OK at. The average Dr knows to parrot the propaganda of the AMA and the proper fad protocols. Few have any concept of half the drugs the hand out....
The funny thing is that doctors are ripe to be replace by AI. In recent field trials AI agents were vastly better at diagnosing conditions and treatments.

Anonymous Tipsy July 26, 2017 12:56 PM  

Speaking of low IQ college students. Google "Confessions of an essay writer", and out pops multiple articles showing what a big industry academic ghost writing is. Couple this with the fact that for many "soft" programs (education, administration), grades from essays comprise the greatest part of the grade from any given class. Add to that for many jobs in government and education pay grade is coupled with credentials, and the incentive for stupid people to cheat is enormous. Remember too, that IQ tests have been outlawed as a means of screening employment candidates.

I'm sure BBGKB can provide us with a few horror stories of overpaid, credentialed-but-brain-dead health care administrators are in the hospitals he's worked at who probably got their degree on the back of some anonymous essay writer.

Blogger seeingsights July 26, 2017 12:58 PM  

To give another example of my previous comment, a co worker told me that his sister applied to the University of Illinois in Champaign Urbana back in the 1980s, and though she was an A student in high school and got 28 on the ACT, she was denied admittance, while someone with a 19 on the ACT got in because he could play basketball.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 26, 2017 12:58 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:OT: TRUMP BANS TRANNIES FROM MILITARY

MELTDOWN IN PROGRESS


Excellent. First step of stopping the progression of idiocy is done. Now to roll back some of the other social engineering crap that had infected the military (hopefully all, but I'm not holding my breath). Just imagine rolling back women in combat roles. I can hear the reeeeeee-ing already.

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 1:02 PM  

@43 Gregman

A bit dated but backed by data:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

http://www.vdare.com/articles/pisa-and-bad-students-american-schools-add-value-but-demography-is-still-destiny

I'd imagine you'd see the expected massive performance gaps in college in you could break it down my race sex AND political leaning

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 26, 2017 1:03 PM  

47. Grayman July 26, 2017 12:56 PM
In recent field trials AI agents were vastly better at diagnosing conditions and treatments.



hell, a lot of people achieve better results with the internet and some diligent searching.

not being at risk of contracting MRSA ( which practically every hospital is rife with ) is a major bonus to your Survival stat.



50. Duke Norfolk July 26, 2017 12:58 PM
Excellent. First step of stopping the progression of idiocy is done.



wuuuuuuuuuut?

don't you know that public faggotry is a Founding Principle of our Democracy?

what you speak is Treason to America and every military commander should refuse to follow these orders from Imposter in Chief Trump!

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. July 26, 2017 1:06 PM  

The more I look around the more obvious it is that even an ethno-state should have breeding standards. In a mixed ethnic state, not having some sort of breeding standard is functionally the equivalent of executing your best, brightest, "beautiful" people, only in slow motion. Worse yet, any liberal welfare type program that doesn't prohibit breeding of those using it is functionally breeding the least accomplished & least capable members of society while dis-incentivizing their accomplished population!

Hitler only did a few things wrong.

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 1:08 PM  

@48 Tipsy

I'm sure BBGKB can provide us with a few horror stories of overpaid, credentialed-but-brain-dead health care administrators are in the hospitals he's worked at who probably got their degree on the back of some anonymous essay writer.

Got a better one for you. Do you have any idea how many drugs are formulated by Indians who paid 15,000 USD for a PhD from an Indian university they never went to? You can get a Bachelors for about 5K.
Even the Indians (Dot not casino) that did actually complete a legitimate education program engage in such systemic cheating that their degrees are meaningless for the most part.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2017 1:08 PM  

Duke Norfolk, Mattis just pulled a General Al Gray and announced that the mandatory training shit us going away.

Out: Sexual Harassment bullshit training
In: Fighting

Blogger tz July 26, 2017 1:10 PM  

A 20 minute conversation is more effective at determining capability then a 15 page C.V.

The 15 page CV is part of the modernism death of literature. It is meant to be skimmed by an HR SJW.

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 1:12 PM  

@55

Out: Sexual Harassment bullshit training
In: Fighting


We are bringing dueling back?!?!?!?!? SWEET! 5 paces then face off with garrotes. Its got to be personal :)

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2017 1:13 PM  

Institutional inertia is awe-inspiring in its banal immensity.

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 1:15 PM  

@56 TZ

The 15 page CV is part of the modernism death of literature. It is meant to be skimmed by an HR SJW.

And in the past I have had to fight HR to hire the 1 page CV who was a shit-hot brainiac over the 15 page CV paper tiger who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 26, 2017 1:29 PM  

" 59. Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 1:15 PM
@56 TZ

The 15 page CV is part of the modernism death of literature. It is meant to be skimmed by an HR SJW.

And in the past I have had to fight HR to hire the 1 page CV who was a shit-hot brainiac over the 15 page CV paper tiger who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
"



And here I was told having anything over two pages was an almost immediate disqualifier because anything longer than that wouldn't even be looked at much less read or believed.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 26, 2017 1:42 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Duke Norfolk, Mattis just pulled a General Al Gray and announced that the mandatory training shit us going away.

Out: Sexual Harassment bullshit training

In: Fighting


Man, am I glad to hear that. I can't even imagine what it's been like over the last 8 years. It was bad enough before that. (ret'd '08, USAF)

Blogger Midnight Avenue J July 26, 2017 1:48 PM  

Ah yeas the long CV. I edited one constantly for a former boss. 15-17 pp depending on to whom we were submitting it. Endless bio revisions too.

After a certain point and in the closed circles in which academics operate, people are known. The CV is a formality and at 15 pp, hell, at 3 pp, straight up vanity and establishing status.

Anonymous Iron Spartan July 26, 2017 1:56 PM  

If you need a degree because some dumbass in HR say so, go buy one from a non accredited school for a couple of hundred bucks. Unless the job is in the hard sciences, engineering or medicine, no one is going to check.

Blogger Dedd Sirius July 26, 2017 1:59 PM  

Muh Liberal Arts degree!

Blogger Nick S July 26, 2017 2:25 PM  

Thank you, Affirmative Action.

Blogger tublecane July 26, 2017 2:27 PM  

@48-I wouldn't be surprised if instructors look the other way on ghostwriting simply to avoid reading some of the dreck their students hand in. I remember "peer reviewing" my classmates' essays in some courses, and 95% of them were barely literate. Probably cranked papers out in 15 minutes the night before while drunk and itching to go out and get laid, music blaring in their ears and the tv on. But still, they should at least manage Rob sound like a native English speaker.

On the flip side, I used to get inordinate praise for my writing. Which was really too much, because I would scan what I hacked out before handing it in, and I know what level I was writing at. It wasn't impressive. That's a difference right there, though: I know for a certainty without actually knowing that my classmates didn't bother to proofread themselves, and just got it over with as soon as possible. Which allowed me to get straight A's my last couple of years without trying too hard, so why am I complaining?

Oh yeah, the fate of Western Civilization.

Blogger pyrrhus July 26, 2017 2:44 PM  

Audacious Epigone ascribes this decline to the lower quality of college students, which is undoubtedly a major factor. But as I have pointed out before, the rapid decline in SAT scores also indicates that the American population, even at the top levels, is getting dumber at a significant rate, 1-2 IQ points per decade...

Anonymous Leo July 26, 2017 2:45 PM  

Hopefully, by 2030, this can be a reality!
https://cdn.relaymedia.com/amp/s/www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 26, 2017 2:50 PM  

Tipsy wrote:
It's almost as if universities are left wing brain washing centers and SJWs are mandating that everyone partake in the indoctrination.


Leftist indoctrination is the gateway ticket to employment in any institution.

Anonymous ethnostatist July 26, 2017 3:17 PM  

31. Uncle John's Band:

The so-called "black middle class" is a complete creation of state and federal government jobs that either required no degree for initial entry (thus the older generation of black female 100 thousandaires) or required any degree from any university, so saturated with PC culture and easy admissions and low barriers to graduation.

If you have ever had the unfortunate experience of working around, particularly, black females (since they are more prevalent than their male counterparts)--you will NEVER--EVER see a better example of the Dunning–Kruger effect. We're talking straight up near-retarded levels of intelligence and understanding, which creates CONSTANT conflict and misunderstanding with higher IQ folks, both internally and externally. But the kicker is, they think they are so "strong, independent, sexy and smart"...it's a running joke with those who are red pilled that if you hire one, you are going to have to deal with all that--and a complete lack of awareness.

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 3:26 PM  

2015 PISA results:

http://imgur.com/a/idADj

compared to 2012 (By Steve Sailer):
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

The US has a diversity problem, not an education problem. Its rather amazing how well whites perform in the US given the progressive agenda driven government education that throws every roadblock it can in front of people actually wanting to educate themselves.
Consider the performance of white Americans compared to blacks and Hispanics when billions of dollars and are funneled into government mandated discrimination programs to raise up blacks and Hispanics. Yet they are not even close to competing.

Whites have been socially and educationally hogtied in order to show "equal" performance amongst the races. Yet even when the system is gamed against whites and rigged for NAM's they aren't even close.

They have to go, all of them. They are not of the west!

Anonymous Grayman July 26, 2017 3:33 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:Audacious Epigone ascribes this decline to the lower quality of college students, which is undoubtedly a major factor. But as I have pointed out before, the rapid decline in SAT scores also indicates that the American population, even at the top levels, is getting dumber at a significant rate, 1-2 IQ points per decade...

Even if we imagine that the US was suddenly a pure ethno-state we still need a breeding program. Psuedo-random breeding is no guarantee of “improvement” in a population. It doesn’t have to be some dystopian horror show either. Welfare is functionally a breeding program for the least capable & least successful in society. You could essentially invert welfare and have a basic breeding program. Hell we should put at least as much effort into breeding ourselves as we do breeding our dogs.
We breed our dogs for hardiness, lack of disease, desirable traits etc. It would be trivial to do the same for humans and execute it using basic social programs that reward positive breeding and simply offer no support to undesirable breeding. Include the psychological messaging that is currently utilized in modern advertising and you would see the west rocket beyond anyone except perhaps the Asians. In 10 to 15 generations we would functionally be speciated from blacks and Hispanics.

Blogger Geir Balderson July 26, 2017 3:44 PM  

Basically, Universities and Colleges are Welfare Ghettos for Instructors. Look up how much Lizzy Borden...Oops I mean Lizzy Warren was paid for 'teaching' a handful of courses.
The sad part of all of this mess, is that the students will make less then their instructors over their lifetime! And, graduates perform real work compared to their so-called teachers. Oh, and the students riot and act up for lower tuition and forgiveness of student debt and yet, the elephants in the room, are those tenured instructor asshats slurping off of the gravy train! Burp!!!

Anonymous Prionyx July 26, 2017 4:18 PM  

The animistic thinking of the progressive simpletons is amazing. From the observation that "people with college degrees earn more money" they somehow completely ignore the possibility that people with degrees are smarter and yet still had to work for it. Rather, they immediately jump to "everyone should go to college and get a degree, no matter how much we have to dumb it down".
Obviously, it must be the sheepskin that the degree is printed on that causes money to rain down upon its owner, so all we have to do is give out more degrees.

Anonymous Thinkingard July 26, 2017 4:33 PM  

Doesn't surprise me since something was always fishy to me about society worshipping education. I remember thinking in HS what a sham it all seemed and then in college the feeling was something like "I thought this was supposed to be challenging?".

One of my professors noted that Christian students from the 90s knew their bibles and could identify almost any character or reference but Christian students of today can barely quote you anything and have clearly not read it.

Blogger weka July 26, 2017 5:18 PM  

The real test of a high IQ now is being a college dropout: the brighter of my two sons did that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2017 5:49 PM  

Grayman wrote:Psuedo-random breeding is no guarantee of “improvement” in a population.
Because centralized control of a self-organizing system always leads to better outcomes, right?
Lord you're a moron. Please don't breed.

Anonymous DirkH July 26, 2017 6:51 PM  

My new default assumption about any stranger around me is NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
That's why the Western world will collapse very very slowly.
Berlin is currently drowning in endless rain. Their canalisation is a 150 years old and overflowing. The city is broke because of welfare for imported Arabs. So. They were able to build themselves canalisation, now they aren't.
Will become a new LAGOS or Karachi as time passes.

Anonymous DirkH July 26, 2017 6:54 PM  

72. Grayman July 26, 2017 3:33 PM
" Even if we imagine that the US was suddenly a pure ethno-state we still need a breeding program."

Sell quality zygotes to the rich.

Anonymous RedJack July 26, 2017 7:16 PM  

I graduated from a decent engineering school. The last two interns I had from that school (dot not feather Indians) were so bad I called an old classmate still teaching there.

They are told to let the foreign kids go through without any standards. None. One kid I had didn't do a single paper himself, his parents paid for them to be written.

Think of this in a few years when bridges start falling down.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 26, 2017 7:48 PM  

RedJack wrote:They are told to let the foreign kids go through without any standards.

Foreign kids are cash customers, can't run off the paying customers.

Anonymous grayman July 26, 2017 8:12 PM  

Snidley,

Way too late.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 26, 2017 8:27 PM  

@Faceless
"It took me forever to understand how the progressive hive mind accomplished this goal of enslaving people as a ticket to a job:

First, they sued every big company for employment discrimination in the 1970s and 1980s."

Solid post overall, but I would add an earlier step:
https://infogalactic.com/info/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

Griggs v. Duke Power Co. banned the use of IQ testing by employers. A college degree is only partly a meaningless credential. It's also an incredibly expensive, lengthy, and inefficient IQ test.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 26, 2017 9:01 PM  

"infections of the mind can cause amazingly complex behavior"

Yes, they can. See toxoplasmosis as well, of coyrse. And relatively simple, instinctive behaviors on the part of microscopic organisms can give rise to remarkably complex, large-scale results.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Coral_reef

As a side note to your linked video of parasitic wasps: metamorphosis is kind of a weird concept when you think about it, especially complete metamorphosis. In a sense, the adult is already present as a sort of embryonic "parasite" in stasis within the tissues of the larva, that transforms into an active state during pupation, and eats the degenerating tissues of the larva to feed its own growth.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Imaginal_disc

Anonymous grayman July 26, 2017 9:48 PM  

@83 Francis

The courts reasoning was and is fundamentally flawed:

Basic intelligence must have the means of articulation to manifest itself fairly in a testing process. Because they are Negroes, petitioners have long received inferior education in segregated schools, and this Court expressly recognized these differences in Gaston County v. United States, 395 U.S. 285 (1969). There, because of the inferior education received by Negroes in North Carolina, this Court barred the institution of a literacy test for voter registration on the ground that the test would abridge the right to vote indirectly on account of race.

The courts assumption is that basic capacity and performance differentials between blacks and whites ate due to substandard education for blacks. The courts assume "blank slate" which is clearly false. IANAL. But logically these decisions are blatantly incorrect because of that false base assumption.

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Anonymous Raker Tooth July 26, 2017 10:40 PM  

@47 The best intentions can lead to the most unpleasant destinations. IIRC, public education started as a means of insuring that every one could read the Bible. I started in a life of crime at age 13; if anyone would be disqualified from parenthood, it would have been me. I became a Christian which has led to some good parenting decisions, which has led to amazing children.
I'm just -really- leery of government run anything. If government got out entirely, then a natural meritocracy would prevail, quickly. Women would marry their guy instead of the government. Schools would teach, not indoctrinate. Hell the idea of Lincoln's 50 state monster presiding over that affair is frightening. "Oh! It says here that you did community service through Antifa? PERFECT! you can be on our board of directors!"
@45 I thought the same thing initially, about lower standards, but it may be as much effect as cause. They want that government money. I made the mistake of clicking on an ad that touted unusual college grants. Figuring that I was sufficiently different from others. You know, grants for left handed identical twins born in a leap year, we might have a grant for you.
What a scam. They gave my info to college recruiters, I got calls for 2 years, seriously. These guys were over the top assertive. One got into a heated political argument with me because I didn't want to be involved in government funding. That came about because every one of them could care less about any private grant I got, they wanted me to get a government student loan, then I could use the private money to pay off the loan. Get the money, get the money, it was obvious what motivated them. Again, get the government out, and see what happens.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2017 10:43 PM  

Whiplashing Snidely wrote:The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America - non abridged E Book
What has this to do with me? It's not like I'm going to download your stupid book. I have a hard enough time dealing with idiots a hundred words at a time. The very thought of reading your NON-ABRIDGED e-book gives me the gibblies.

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 26, 2017 10:45 PM  

@45 meant to say: it reminds me of lowering loan qualifications during the run up to the mortgage backed securities debacle of the last decade.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 26, 2017 10:50 PM  

IIRC, public education started as a means of insuring that every one could read the Bible.

Nope. People were reading their bibles just fine. It was started as a way to indoctrinate people into being obedient, interchangable cogs in the centrally planned society progressives had in mind.

"The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone would be interdependent."
- John Dewey, late-1800s education reformer

"We who are engaged in the sacred cause of education are entitled to look upon all parents as having given hostages to our cause."
- Horace Mann, considered the father of public education in America

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 26, 2017 11:09 PM  

@90 maybe it was a sales pitch at the time...The Patriot Act; Operation Iraqi Freedom, that sort of thing. I definitely remember hearing it, maybe a radio broadcast, an audio book. I listen while working.

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 26, 2017 11:16 PM  

Second paragraph
https://www.home-school.com/Articles/the-history-of-public-education.php
.
But yeah, I have no arguments about what it has become, or the motives thereof.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 26, 2017 11:25 PM  

Second paragraph

Oh, you were talking about the common schools that many towns set up in early New England. Yes, those had better motives. I was talking about the latter half of the 1850s, which is when they began to establish universal public schooling and compulsory attendance laws.

Blogger tz July 26, 2017 11:41 PM  

@60 - my CV is two pages only because I've done contracting so had many employers. The first page usually suffices since it is concise.

Blogger tz July 26, 2017 11:43 PM  

@59 - Remember SJWs like credentials. Both quantity and quality.

(a strange libertarian example is Thomas Woods celebrating his Harvard degree while he and Bob Murphy weekly attack Paul Krugman at contrakrugman.com - which is interesting and enjoyable, but again, Woods arguing credentials? How did anything he learned at Harvard make him successful?)

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 27, 2017 12:49 AM  

87. Raker Tooth July 26, 2017 10:40 PM
IIRC, public education started as a means of insuring that every one could read the Bible.



you could not be more wrong.

Americans learned reading and writing in large part to study the Bible for themselves, this is true.

BUT.

that FAR predates the public schooling mania which didn't kick off until the late 1800s and didn't completely sweep the country until the early 1900s.

prior to universal public schooling, literacy was well north of 95% in the US, many of whom had also learned to read Greek and Latin so that they could study the Bible in the old texts. we are now sending ~20 year olds to college who require remedial language courses. in English.

this is by design.

https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

Blogger justaguy July 27, 2017 1:10 AM  

If one looks at the liberal Harvard Law Review around Duke v Griggs which forced the college degree requirement for hiring (easy requirement when tests not allowed), one see the view of "Group Justice" as a basis for the quotas the laws were requiring. Massive wasted college degrees are simply some of the unexpected consequences of letting liberals have so much sway over society. Just like the push for universal college with a myriad of ways to get the government to pick up the tab/assume the debt.

Anonymous Killua July 27, 2017 2:00 AM  

Is there a way to increase your IQ, and does this bring any benefits to your ability to live well, or does your IQ peak at some point?

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Anonymous Luke July 27, 2017 4:02 AM  

Snidely, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" is a legitimate book of long standing by antiliberal Charlotte Iserbyt. IMO it should be on any list of the top ten books to read about how American education REALLY works. Peter Brimelow, Chester Finn, Jaime Escalante, Allan Bloom, John Taylor Gatto, Christina Hoff Sommers and Ayn Rand [her apt hit piece essay "The Modern Comprachios" comes to mind] would be others I would recommend.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 27, 2017 8:11 AM  

weka wrote:The real test of a high IQ now is being a college dropout: the brighter of my two sons did that.

Or not having gone at all. I think that already many people are looking at the decision not to go to college as a good indicator that that person is of stronger character, independent, wise beyond their years, and probably quite intelligent.

Of course that has to be confirmed by some interaction, but that's nothing new, really.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 27, 2017 8:19 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Nope. People were reading their bibles just fine. It was started as a way to indoctrinate people into being obedient, interchangable cogs in the centrally planned society progressives had in mind.

Yep, those guys give me the serious heeby jeebies.

Anonymous c matt July 27, 2017 9:16 AM  

To be fair, there are probably just as many college grads now as before with a 112 IQ, it's just that there are so many more college grads period that the average numbers would inevitably go down. Hey, at least it keeps most of them off the streets.

Blogger Flair1239 July 27, 2017 11:07 AM  

I agree with this. We celebrate welfare recipients, and allow those who work at McDonalds to be ridiculed.

I always tell my daughter that there is dignity in work. Any work is better than accepting handouts.

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Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 27, 2017 2:09 PM  

@Cail Corishev

"People were reading their bibles just fine. It was started as a way to indoctrinate people into being obedient, interchangable cogs in the centrally planned society progressives had in mind."

Yep. Looking even further back, to the "Enlightenment":

"as the reason of each man is not left to be the sole arbiter of his duties, government ought the less indiscriminately to abandon to the intelligence and prejudices of fathers the education of their children, as that education is of still greater importance to the State than to the fathers"

Jean-Jacques Rousseau, thought by many to have written the most important book on education since Plato's Republic. To put his pronouncements on education (and fatherhood) in perspective, he failed at every teaching/ tutoring job that he ever had, and placed all 5 of his children in orphanages shortly after they were born.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 27, 2017 2:19 PM  

@grayman

"The courts reasoning was and is fundamentally flawed"

Of course. But it accomplished its intended purpose, unfortunately.

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