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Friday, July 14, 2017

Expel your SJWs

Any organization that does not actively work to keep out SJWs will eventually be converged by them, be it a church or a corporation. The Z-Man understands this, as he summarizes the decline of the mainline Protestant denominations in the USA:
Young people tend not to be attracted to the faith, even if their parents regularly attend services. As people get older, have families and begin to sink roots, they get more involved in their faith and attend services regularly. That’s the trouble with the mainline Protestant religions. The young are not coming back once they start having families. That means their children are not raised in the faith. As a result, these churches are now in a death spiral.

The story is familiar to anyone who has been paying attention. These churches made the decision to chase the latest social fads in the 70’s and 80’s, hoping to make themselves more appealing to the young. The only thing they did was make themselves less attractive to people interested in being part of a traditional Christian sect. It was not just in the pews, but in the clergy as well. Those feeling the call found that the church in which they were raised was not interested in defending and maintaining the faith.

The result is the clergy slowly radicalized. First came the women and then the feminist women. Soon they invited in the homosexuals and the clergy started looking like the faculty of a liberal arts college. That’s when the pews started to empty out. Why bother going to church, when you can get the same liberal lecture from television? That’s what started the decline in church attendance. Instead of offering a shelter from the storm, they decided to chase an over-served market – radical Progressives.

Talking to my friend, he tells me that there are elements within the Episcopal Church that know what must be done to save the church. The trouble is they are outgunned and out maneuvered by the radicals. That’s the thing. The conservatives make it a priority to serve the church and serve God, while the radicals are always scheming to advance the radical agenda. The conservatives are constantly outmaneuvered because they are not playing the political games. They end up getting marginalized, despite having numbers....

It’s another reminder that Progressives must be treated like rage zombies or highly contagious disease carriers. Once you let one into your organization, it will set about bringing in more of its kind.
SJWs always converge. That is their purpose. That is their jihad. People often ask me, "what can I do?" The answer is straightforward: actively work to deconverge every organization to which you belong. If you can't, then leave it and find another one. And if you can't find another one, create it yourself.

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164 Comments:

Blogger Ben Cohen July 14, 2017 8:24 AM  

Is the same thing happening in other religions?

Anonymous TS July 14, 2017 8:27 AM  

Haven't been to church in awhile. Last time I was there the pastor and more than a few church members were making snide comments about DT before he was elected.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 14, 2017 8:31 AM  

I refuse to attend a church that allows women pastors.
Burning heretics needs to make a comeback.

Blogger Chris Lutz July 14, 2017 8:33 AM  

@1 I only have one piece of anecdotal evidence. I happened to hear one of the established mosques (big and here since the early 80's) in the area complain about attendance in the same manner you hear from churches.

No one likes lukewarm religion.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 8:42 AM  

I'm still trying to figure out what to do about my faith, Catholic but the Church is converged. There are good priests and Catholics though so maybe it's worth staying and fighting the battle instead of surrendering.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 8:44 AM  

@6 If you believe the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Faith to be true, then you must stay and fight. If you do not believe it to be true, why are you Catholic?

Praise be to Him, the Way, the Truth, the Life.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 14, 2017 8:46 AM  

Mainline Protestant churches were converged, mostly, in by 1900. Yes, over 100 years ago. That's how deep the rot goes. Their death knell started in the 1970s when they put Women on Deacon boards. Once that was done, they were lost, and simply need to be burned to the ground for the dens of heresy that they are.

After the RCC fixes itself, it normally takes 300 years for too many problems to pop back. It's hard to converge a structured church, but it's doable. The Devil never sleeps.

Side point: VD's love of the Vikings is so great, even the spam bots are trolling him. haha

Blogger Silly but True July 14, 2017 8:51 AM  

@1
While it's now some 18 years old now, I still remember this rare show of any pushback by a church:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-03-26/news/9903300001_1_church-service-rev-gregory-dell-methodist-minister

However, it did not last: https://thinkprogress.org/united-methodist-church-takes-historic-action-toward-lgbt-equality-60d42b7f71fa

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 14, 2017 8:54 AM  

Ben Cohen wrote:Is the same thing happening in other religions?

Judaism in the United States has the same problem. Jews stick together socially but few of them regularly attend temple services. This shouldn't surprise anyone because their religion has been converged since before Christ.

Most moslem mosques do not have this problem because they strictly enforce their faith. The ones that try to go luke warm suffer for it as @4 has cited but most of them don't go that route because there tends to be severe penalties for apostates and heretics.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:05 AM  

bring back the inquisition

Anonymous Coal Fired Brisket July 14, 2017 9:08 AM  

For those looking for a good non converged church look into eastern orthodoxy. It's catholicism without the pope, child molestation, gay priests and cuckoldry. I would be happy to answer any question about the church.

Blogger Dexter July 14, 2017 9:09 AM  

Current Pope is such a tool. Muslim-hugging commie imbecile.

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 14, 2017 9:10 AM  

There is another option. If you are in a position of power, and you cannot deconverge an org you should accelerate its convergence and magnify the ideology. Social justice destroys all, and if an org is converging then it makes sense to make it converge harder and faster. The key is to target the moderate liberals..purge them then let the blue hairs do their thing.

That way it crashes and burns in a more spectacular way.

Blogger modsquad July 14, 2017 9:10 AM  

The key is not to have an organization who's hierarchy can be converged and controlled. You can believe in God without a church. Whether religion, politics or whatever, if people had less need for a middleman we'd be a lot further along.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:10 AM  

I'm considering going orthodox

Anonymous patrick kelly July 14, 2017 9:12 AM  

In the US Eastern Orthodox churches are growing mainly by convert from other Christian groups with the occasional non believer direct to Orthodoxy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 14, 2017 9:14 AM  



The Episcopal "Church" has moved so far away from the teaching of Christ that it's not even a corrupt version of Christianity.  Not when the American Presiding Arch Bishop uses the phrase...and I am not making this up..."Mother Jesus" in her sermons.

“On July 8, 2012, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori preached her brand of post-Christian religion while masquerading as a Christian bishop,” reported convention attendee Dr. Sarah Frances Ives.

“She mocked most of the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, including the God of creation, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. She accomplishes this through her demeaning use of rhetoric. She taunts the Lord by the use of the name ‘Big Man’ and then points her finger at everyone listening and tells them that they have ‘missed the boat.’

“Jefferts Schori then proclaims that she has the answer for this. We all need the ‘act of crossing boundaries’ to become God after which our hands become a ‘sacrament of mission.’


This is beyond heresy. This is actual paganism Christian clothes. They aren't even proper "dhimmis". A Muslim fanatic would be correct in viewing them as not being "a people of the book".

Anonymous Luca Brayson July 14, 2017 9:16 AM  

@6 Michael Neal

I second what @7 Conor Foran said. The Catholic Church has two fairly unique properties: It claims to be the Church that Christ founded and has a publicly available, universal doctrine (most of it free online). Either the Church is who she says she is or she isn't.

If you're like most Catholics (myself included) you were horribly catechized - you were never given the real teachings and traditions of the Church. I recommend you get the story straight from the horse's mouth and judge who the Church is for yourself. Start with Catholicism for Dummies if you need a primer (no offense intended it's a good book). Then read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If the Catholic Church is wrong about who she is, then you must leave and go find the truth. If the Church is legit despite all the sins of her members, then to whom shall we turn?
Jump into the breach and join the fight.

Anonymous Mike July 14, 2017 9:26 AM  

Remember the good old days at Vox Day dot com when it was Protestant vs. Catholic in the comments all the time? This was before Pope Poz and the NeverTrumper faggotry from pretty much all churchians (including protestants). That said, the recent gay pedophile orgies are a pretty bad look for the Papists, as is this:

2 Of Pope’s Closest Associates Label Christian Trump Supporters ‘Fundamentalist Radicals’ http://trib.al/AwKzCpF

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:29 AM  

I was catechized very well by a very good traditional priest but I have my doubts that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. I believe it is in schism with the Orthodox Church honestly.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:30 AM  

I believe they are both in schism with their separation

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:34 AM  

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Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:35 AM  

The schism is what let the devil inside to attack both churches as we saw in Russia and in the west with the Catholics, especially today in the latter case

Blogger CM July 14, 2017 9:35 AM  

--Haven't been to church in awhile. Last time I was there the pastor and more than a few church members were making snide comments about DT before he was elected.--

My daughter's godfather was one of these (and assc rector of our church).

I haven't been back since. Its heartbreaking. They stopped singing hymns (the latinos don't know the songs and rather than teach them how to be episcopal, they teach the rest of us their music), and my estranged friend has been quite prominent in anti-racist lectures for the diocese, local black lives matter, and social justice screeds in the diocesan newsletter.

We used to have a wonderful bishop who fought back this nonsense, but our current bishop is sj-lite. Just conservative enough to have been elected, but liberal enough to make snide comments about other church leaders during the Trayvon Martin protests.

And our retired bishop's name is now being dragged through the mud, churches who embrace maintaining anglo worship and catering to their white congregations are "racist" and derided.

We have a couple strongholds left, but my place isn't at the war front, is it?

Blogger sysadmn July 14, 2017 9:36 AM  

@Cataline - that's not the only scandal:
A few years ago, the annual national Episcopal convention overwhelmingly refused even to consider a resolution affirming that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Upon returning home from that meeting, Bishop Peter H. Beckwith, leader of the Springfield, Illinois, diocese, wrote in a pastoral letter that the Episcopal church was “in meltdown.”

Beckwith has joined bishops in the dioceses of Central Florida, Dallas, Fort Worth, Pittsburgh, California, and South Carolina in asking their church’s top official, the Archbishop of Canterbury in England, for permission to pull out.

Beckwith says the failure of the resolution introduced by conservatives to declare the church’s “unchanging commitment to Jesus Christ as the son of God, the only name by which any person may be saved” was extremely disturbing.

“When a Christian church cannot bring itself to endorse a bedrock Christian theological statement repeatedly found in the New Testament, it is not a serious Christian church,” wrote Allen.



Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/home-page-news-and-views/why-is-the-episcopal-church-near-collapse.aspx?p=2#Xwg5yYpjxUh1KDjB.99

Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 9:39 AM  

The result is the clergy slowly radicalized. First came the women and then the feminist women. Soon they invited in the homosexuals and the clergy started looking like the faculty of a liberal arts college. That’s when the pews started to empty out.

what i saw was this:

1) the (((media))) in the 1970's starts portraying Christians as uncool - rigid, uneducated etc
2) with declining attendance the church decides it needs to be more accomodating to different ideas, less judgemental, more welcoming etc
3) parishioners notice the church doesnt really stand for anything any more except "be nice to everyone - even bad people" and most decide to stop going

when i was a kid growing up in the 1970's the priest was still a highly respected member of the community fwiw

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 14, 2017 9:42 AM  

A major part of the problem is an insidious form of laziness. Not the guys you see at the convenience store at 10 am with a 12 pack of beer. Rather, the people that work, pay their bills, wash the car, keep things in order, but don't know the levers of Keynesian economics, how many stable countries the US has overthrown, and, the doctrines of the Bible they claim to follow. "Leave that to the pros" is their mantra,I've earned my a-musement.
As for churches, I also think people get too much invested. A glorious building is a trap for creeping apostasy. Members are zealous about the construction fund drive, once accomplished, it's that much more difficult to walk away.
We're born in a war zone, and I wonder if a church should have a practice of continually moving from rented building to rented building, with regular updates of clergy also. Sure, reelect the good ones, but do_not_ go_into auto pilot. I wonder too about the American Dream...I got my own house, best not rock the boat, yada yada.

Blogger VD July 14, 2017 9:44 AM  

We have a couple strongholds left, but my place isn't at the war front, is it?

Why not?

Blogger ZhukovG July 14, 2017 9:44 AM  

While I believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the direct successor of the church founded by the original Apostles. I do not believe that the 'catholic' church is limited to the RCC. I have witnessed the Holy Spirit at work in both Protestant and Orthodox congregations and so must conclude that they are also 'The Church'.

What is needed is a new fundamentalism that unites 'orthodox' believers from within all traditions. If we have to give the middle finger to Rome, Moscow and Southwestern Seminary(or is Liberty University the Baptist Vatican now?); so be it.

Anonymous Mike July 14, 2017 9:45 AM  

Someone read SJWAL:

https://www.dailystormer.com/michigan-official-refuses-to-cuck-after-calling-for-killing-every-last-moslem/

Anonymous Grayman July 14, 2017 9:49 AM  

In short SJW's must be treated like muslim jihadis, there is really very little difference between the 2.

So the minorities have a choice of woodchipper or go back. The SJW's get the same choice, go back with your beloved diverity or get mulched.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 9:58 AM  

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Blogger David July 14, 2017 10:03 AM  

It infests everything. They have abandoned hymns for modern "praise music" which inevitably is led by a emasculated guy squinting his eyes while repeating the same verse over and over again. Then the bouncing girl will approach the microphone and "pray" in a hushed voice about feelings which is a launch pad for another 50x repeat of a verse. Meanwhile, Jesus would overturn the band equipment and kick them out.

Anonymous Clownworld July 14, 2017 10:10 AM  

lol... yeah it's the music. That's the problem lol. Not the (((theology))) or politics at all or homosexuality.

Anonymous Grayman July 14, 2017 10:11 AM  

@30 mike

The offending facebook post could have been lifted from this site or any other alt-right any day of the week.

https://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/19400284_10213954968767235_3919086442640407515_o.jpg

Its hillarious that he did not saying anything inaccurate in his post and all the SJW's can do is creach is emotional outrage. Perhaps if the local SJW's scarificed some of their daughters and young boys to the local muslims as sexcual playthings, they would feel better about themselves.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 10:13 AM  

@29 The problem is that if you believe in the Sacraments and the Real Presence - which I do, from history, theology, and personal experience - your only options are the Catholics and the Orthodox. Because you need Apostolic Succession.

@19 @12 Things become a lot clearer if you believe a la Barnhardt (as I do) that Jose Bergoglio is an antipope, and Benedict XVI the reigning pontiff.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 10:17 AM  

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Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 10:18 AM  

The priesthood became a refuge for homosexuals, any easy choice for a gay man to make who does not want to out himself to his family. It also is a refuge for men who struck out in love so it's infested by betas and gammas. The Orthodox were correct in keeping marriage for priests. I believe both the Catholics and Orthodox are the tru faith but unfortunately in schism.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 10:19 AM  

@37 Regardless of whether its a schism on the part of both, it is certainly a scandal, one which we as Christians have utterly failed to resolve for almost a thousand years.

Blogger Sheila4g July 14, 2017 10:21 AM  

One of the comments at the Z blog mentioned the Anglican Church of North America as an alternative to the converged Episcopal church. However, I checked it out and our former church {which we left due to women's ordination and the prominence of SJ causes} is listed as a member. We've visited some Anglo-Catholic churches but have found them far more Catholic than Angllican. The non-denominational churches we've been to have had some good preaching, but too little structure and too many 7/11 songs {and again, veered heavily into SJ causes and all colors are our brothers}. Our older son was literally raised in the church {preferred the main service to children's at age 3; started serving as an acolyte at age 8} whereas our younger son hardly remembers it. We no longer refer to ourselves as Episcopalians but rather classical Anglicans, but the church we desperately want and need no longer exists.

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 10:22 AM  

that being said, there are some really good alpha priests but they are more rare these days

Anonymous Steve July 14, 2017 10:23 AM  

It's amazing how SJW's use virtually the exact same script in every field they try to infest.

In exactly the same way they targeted religion, science fiction, videogames, etc. SJW's now want to converge astronomy.

A new study examining discrimination and harassment in the field of astronomy shows that women of color are far more likely to feel unsafe at work because of their gender and race than other groups.

Shaniqua dreams of studying the stars, but the Evil White Man is keeping her down!

The survey was initiated by two of the study's co-authors, Erica Rodgers, a research scientist at the Space Science Institute, and Christina Richey, a NASA astrophysicist who serves as chair of the American Astronomical Society's Committee on the Status of Women in Astronomy.

Let's put the African-American back in Black Holes:

"Because we refuse to engage with issues of race in the sciences and acknowledge the ways in which racism might actually be limiting women of color — and probably also men of color — we're continuing basically to see increases in the number of white women in the sciences, while not seeing improvements in any other demographic," Clancy said.

Naturally, astronomy needs a Code of Conduct. It's amazing Galileo discovered anything without one:

The paper cited multiple studies that investigate how institutions can confront this problem, including a 2013 report from the National Academy of Sciences. The steps recommended by the 2013 report include implementing a clear code of conduct for employees, and effectively sanctioning behavior that violates that code. In addition, universities and workplaces can choose to conduct "values-based, affirmative" diversity training, which calls on workplace leaders to discuss what it means to treat colleagues ethically and to create a specific code of conduct for their workplace.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 14, 2017 10:27 AM  

@5 and @6

If you understand that catholic means universal, being a Christian means accepting "One Holy Catholic Apostolic Faith" or "One Holy Universal Apostolic Faith" then you have better options.

The RCC is rigidly priestly-hierarchical. You are not an RCC priest, there is not much you will be able to do, even just locally. If you are deemed schismatic or just troublesome, you will be blackballed from any teaching or position of responsibility.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 14, 2017 10:28 AM  

This is why I have been begging for onward of two years for self-identified alt-right spiritual men to at least consider that they have a still, small voice directing them into the seminary.

Blogger Vikki Wilson July 14, 2017 10:30 AM  

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Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 10:33 AM  

A new study examining discrimination and harassment in the field of astronomy shows that women of color are far more likely to feel unsafe at work because of their gender and race than other groups.


probably because they are unqualified and incompetent

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 10:35 AM  

@43 When that is in the service of true doctrine, of Truth, that is a good thing; when it has been coopted as it has now, what can we do but pray?

But there is no place I can go but the Catholic Church, save the Orthodox Churches, where I may eat and drink the precious Body and Blood of the Lord, as he commanded, lest I lose everlasting life. Nor may I confess my sins and receive forgiveness from those to whom he said 'What you forgive, are forgiven them; what you retain, are retained,' in any other place There is no other congregation, save perhaps high church Anglican, who even makes any similar claim, much less has the fullness of His promise.

"To whom shall we go? You have the words of life everlasting." Indeed, to whom can we turn but Peter, who was given the Keys by Christ? Ave Verum Corpus.

Blogger horsewithnonick July 14, 2017 10:35 AM  

Increasingly, the front is coming to you, no matter where you are.

Anonymous JA July 14, 2017 10:36 AM  

Does "Apostolic Succession" even exist when your priests, bishops and popes are all satanic homos?

Anonymous JA July 14, 2017 10:37 AM  

" Indeed, to whom can we turn but Peter, who was given the Keys by Christ?"

Hmmmm. maybe try Christ Himself.

Blogger Whisker biscuit July 14, 2017 10:38 AM  

Modern praise music is essential the music you hear on a pop "mix" station, with the name Jesus inserted where "baby", "girl", or "boy" would have been. I'd bet a shiny nickle that modern praise music and pop music share the same producers and songwriters..

Blogger James July 14, 2017 10:40 AM  

I think that one of the problems with religion is that people don’t have the capacity to understand the Creator. Well, duh. But, there is something embedded in those that are the offspring of God that recognizes he exists. Some individuals have, for lack of terminology, divine experiences in which they experience him or his existence. But, this memory fades with time. And others never experienced anything other than a nagging realization that there is someone there. Then, as you get older, you are given more responsibilities, a job or career, a spouse, children, until the relationship with God is of secondary importance. They might go to church every week, but they do so out of a sense of responsibility, as a habit, because they want the “kids” to believe there is a God, or even out of fear. But, they get nothing more out of churchianity that they could get from the Shriners or Masons. (let’s not get into Freemasonry here, OK?) So, people go through life believing in God but seeing nothing around them except blandness, hypocrisy, human frailty, petty disputes, ritual, and social decay and collapse. In the end, many people just want to be told what God is and what they are supposed to do. Regardless of how ridiculous it is. That way, they don’t have to think about something they are incapable of understanding. It’s like mathematics. Two plus two equals four. I don’t have to prove it, even though there are mathematical proofs. I just believe it.

I have never been able to understand why a person would go to participate in a mindless ritual when the only thing they believe in is “love”. And I don’t mean Love. I mean the same meaningless word that SJW’s use to justify having no standards. Sexual perversion is not perversion; it is just a different lifestyle that you did not choose. But, it is “equal” to your choice, just “different”. As the SJW’s have infiltrated all levels of society, they have given us “religious” leaders that don’t believe in the foundation of the “religion” they belong to. Why would anyone belong to a religion that has no divine basis, or at least none that the authorities believe in? In the end, it is only the ritual and fellowship, business contacts, and social structure for the women and children that are left. Frankly, I’d rather attend First Posturepedic on Sunday than waste my time getting dressed so I can go sleep in wooden pews.

Blogger Vikki Wilson July 14, 2017 10:41 AM  

Mary Eberstadt has an interesting article on the predictive nature of Paul VI's Humanae Vitae (1968)in First Things.
She's a social science researcher who has written provocatively on the role of birth control technology in the 'great de-coupling' of sex from reproduction during the sexual revolution. It placed male-female relations in the same realm as homosexuality: its consequentiality became reduced to individual appetite plus sentiment.In these circumstances gay marriage becomes a reasonable argument.
Eberstadt also reviews the social science that associates religiosity to higher birthrates and argues that the data suggests that the more children people have the more likely they are to go to church - rather than the decline in belief fuelling demographic death spirals, as more popularly believed. (She speculates that children give a people a stake in the future and a living sense of the interconnectedness of family and community) As a more orthodox Catholic than the current pope she argues that contraception is a true evil in facilitating the hollowing out of marriage and religion.
The secular families of the last few generations are tending smaller to non-existent.
Perhaps family sizes are playing into the decline of Christianity? (along with the fact that as Churchianity it has largely become "Greenpeace at Prayer" and so, largely redundant)

Anonymous Grayman July 14, 2017 10:42 AM  

@42

The odds of a black female having the skill set to be a competent astromoner is small at abest

https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/iq-by-ethnicity-and-sweet-spot-of-crime.jpg

Biology is a bitcha nd doesnt care. There isnt enough chalk in the world to fill in that blank slate.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 10:43 AM  

@49 By the words of St. Augustine and the decree of the Fourth Lateran Council against the heresy of Donatism, yes.

@50 But how shall I obtain His Living Body (sarx) and Blood, which he commanded me to eat, to gnaw on (phago) (John 6)? The ministers with the power to loose or to bind my sins, where do they reside? (John 20)

Who besides the Catholic and Orthodox Churches even make the claim to have these today?

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 10:45 AM  

@52 That slow slide is why it is ABSOLUTELY VITAL to have, as the Protestants say, a "Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ".

You can't exactly have a personal relationship with God qua God, save perhaps maybe as a favored slave or pet. He's too much. But you can have one with Christ - and you must.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 10:52 AM  

The odds of a black female having the skill set to be a competent astromoner is small at abest

yes, but its something we should all contemplate. if just one minority ever feels uncomfortable or unwanted....

Blogger J A Baker July 14, 2017 10:52 AM  

Well it's like the second law of thermodynamics applied to social groups and institutions; if neglected the rot will set in and the institution will begin to break down and disintergrate. SJWs are that rot, that's why we need to be watchful, and vigilant and good stewards of the things God gives us. Our institutions need regular upkeep and maintenance checks, with an actual check list of symptoms of decay to look for and the ways to prevent or fix them.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 14, 2017 10:54 AM  

@46 You forgot obnoxiously aggressive for no reason whatsoever.

Anonymous yikes July 14, 2017 10:55 AM  

‘Top’ church official says gay sex within the Vatican has ‘never been worse’
https://www.queerty.com/top-church-official-says-gay-sex-within-vatican-never-worse-20170712

Anonymous johnc July 14, 2017 11:02 AM  

For all those Catholics out there who are getting the vapors because of "Pope" Bungholio and friends, you really need to step back and research Fatima. And I don't mean for an hour. You should at least be dedicating your Sundays for a month or more so you can understand the situation fully.

It explains the previous century: what happened, why it happened, where we are, why we are here, and what is to come.

To think that Our Lord would leave us orphans during this most turbulent time in Church history would be dumb. Of course He would prepare us.

Anonymous Crew July 14, 2017 11:02 AM  

Meanwhile, another #FakeAmerican rules against Trumps travel ban:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-ruling-idUSKBN19Z0A5

Blogger Vikki Wilson July 14, 2017 11:06 AM  

andon wrote:A new study examining discrimination and harassment in the field of astronomy shows that women of color are far more likely to feel unsafe at work because of their gender and race than other groups.

I wonder how the astronomers feel.

Anonymous BBGKB July 14, 2017 11:07 AM  

A new study examining discrimination and harassment in the field of astronomy shows that women of color are far more likely to feel unsafe at work because of their gender and race than other groups.

Actions speak louder than blacks in a theatre, I would hate to hear how loud they would be in a typical astronomy work environment. You need people who don't need people(around) for a job like that

Blogger Cail Corishev July 14, 2017 11:08 AM  

I'm still trying to figure out what to do about my faith, Catholic

If you're Catholic, you believe that the Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Apostolic Church named in the Creed and founded by Jesus Christ. So of course you stay. However, you don't have to believe that every building with "Catholic" on the sign out front, or every man wearing a collar (or not) and having a clerical title, belongs to it. Our faith doesn't depend on how many people agree with us.

Staying in the Church means continuing to hold to the eternal teachings of the Church. It doesn't mean pledging allegiance to a particular set of men who claim to be your leaders despite not holding to the same teachings. Fighting for the Church means passing her teachings on to your children and others, and refusing to support those who would tear down those teachings. It doesn't necessarily mean attending a converged parish where heresies are preached weekly, in hopes that you'll drag them back to the faith somehow. That's something you have to decide for yourself, but it's not required.

When the Communists took over in China, they expelled or imprisoned all the Christian missionaries, and appointed their own bishops to operate under a state-run church claiming to be Catholic. Chinese Catholics had no religious obligation to follow these fake bishops or attend their worship services (in fact, they had an obligation not to, if they understood what happened). They worshipped clandestinely as best they could, attending Mass if a hidden priest came around, or praying, reading scripture, and doing other devotions when one wasn't.

Things are bad today, but maybe not so bad.

Blogger Masters Champ July 14, 2017 11:08 AM  

Vox Day followers want a genocide in America against all non-english lol....yeah that's realistic.....english-americans need to worry about kicking out polaks and krauts...yeah....'realistic' I understand your viewpoint, but the time to attempt that was over one hundred years ago

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 14, 2017 11:12 AM  

@30  There's a column in the regional libtard free weekly full of pearl-clutching over that guy.

I'm hoping that this turns into an own-goal on the part of the libtards, as they expose more normies to these ideas from outside the lib orthodoxy and instead of turning against them, the normies nod and think "Yup, sounds about right.  When do we start?"

David wrote:They have abandoned hymns for modern "praise music" which inevitably is led by a emasculated guy squinting his eyes while repeating the same verse over and over again.
It was the mind-numbing nature of those things that I hated the most.  It was like attempted brainwashing and made me want to be anywhere but there.  Have they gotten worse since the 70's?

Blogger Vikki Wilson July 14, 2017 11:12 AM  

Whisker biscuit wrote:Modern praise music is essential the music you hear on a pop "mix" station, with the name Jesus inserted where "baby", "girl", or "boy" would have been. I'd bet a shiny nickle that modern praise music and pop music share the same producers and songwriters..


Pope Benedict has written extensively on church music, classical music and the inappropriateness of rock/pop for worship as it's rhythms, structure and context all derive from the body and the sex drive.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 11:13 AM  

@64 Quite true. We must continue to pray. If the Catholic Church is indeed the true Church, no matter appearances in the end the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Rock.

@65 ...You would think they would at least bother to read what they're trolling. The lack of wit offends me more than the content.

Anonymous Luca Brayson July 14, 2017 11:16 AM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:If you are deemed schismatic or just troublesome, you will be blackballed from any teaching or position of responsibility.

I wish. Please tell me where you found a Catholic parish like this so I can join it. I've moved around and helped to several parishes. My typical experience is that most people are sheep - they go to church because that's what they've always done, they don't even know what they don't know -
and the priests see themselves not as fathers but mothers just trying to keep the sheep all pacified and happy. The problem is that the schismatics and troublemakers aren't being ostracized.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 14, 2017 11:17 AM  

‘Top’ church official says gay sex within the Vatican has ‘never been worse’

Of course it is. They defrocked or sidelined hundreds of low-level parish priests when the homo molester scandals broke, but very few bishops or priests higher up in the hierarchy were touched. Now, what do you think are the odds that all those priests were perverts, but the men who covered up their crimes weren't? The Lavender Mafia remains alive and well; it just had to become more circumspect.

Now they've had four years of Pope Frank, who's so gay-friendly he was the Advocate's Person of the Year. They didn't give that to him out of wishful thinking or some misconception of who he was; it was based on real things he had said and done, and the people he associates with and promotes. So the circumspection has been slipping. That they're running wild in the Vatican is the least surprising thing ever.

Anonymous Crew July 14, 2017 11:20 AM  

Once you let one into your organization, it will set about bringing in more of its kind.

Like what happened here?

http://jinfo.org/Royal_Society_1901-Present.html

Anonymous c matt July 14, 2017 11:21 AM  

If we have to give the middle finger to Rome, Moscow and Southwestern Seminary(or is Liberty University the Baptist Vatican now?); so be it.

Wait a second - if you believe the RCC is the church founded by Christ and the apostles, why let an idiot like Bergoglio have it? How is that different from simply giving over the West to its enemies, whether from without or within? What exactly, then, is the point of an Alt-right?

Which, by the way, you cannot both believe the RCC is the church founded by Christ and the apostles, and then also be willing to walk away from it at the sign of trouble. I would think you would want to emulate John at the foot of the cross, and not the others that scattered.

Anonymous Crew July 14, 2017 11:23 AM  

Vox Day followers want a genocide in America against all non-english lol....yeah that's realistic.....english-americans need to worry about kicking out polaks and krauts...yeah....'realistic' I understand your viewpoint, but the time to attempt that was over one hundred years ago

You don't understand history very well do you?

For example, what happened just after WWII in Europe? How large were the population transfers?

Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 11:23 AM  

Pope Benedict has written extensively on church music, classical music and the inappropriateness of rock/pop for worship as it's rhythms, structure and context all derive from the body and the sex drive.

i agree with this.

also the last time i attended church they had everyone hold hands for an excruciatingly long period of time (10 minutes?), which i object to as well. im an individual, i dont want to hold hands with people i dont know, pretending we're all friends. 30 years ago we used to shake hands for about 10 seconds with the people near us, that was good enough

Anonymous CarpeOro July 14, 2017 11:23 AM  

"We have a couple strongholds left, but my place isn't at the war front, is it?"

This is 4G war - you either surrender or your on the warfront. There is no safe-space just as there is no place for "moderates". Christ does not accept the luke warm.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 14, 2017 11:26 AM  

Whisker biscuit wrote:
Modern praise music is essential the music you hear on a pop "mix" station, with the name Jesus inserted where "baby", "girl", or "boy" would have been. I'd bet a shiny nickle that modern praise music and pop music share the same producers and songwriters..


Pope Benedict has written extensively on church music, classical music and the inappropriateness of rock/pop for worship as it's rhythms, structure and context all derive from the body and the sex drive.


If you have to ask yourself is the song about God, or girlfriend, it isn't actually worshiping of God himself.

Catholics say what you will, but Protestants wrote all the good hymns. Between Wesley and Luther.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 11:30 AM  

Vox Day followers want a genocide in America against all non-english lol

actually no, i just want them gone. starting with all the illegal aliens and refugees and visa overstayers. maybe we need to go past that, im not sure yet, but probably we do

Blogger Michael Neal July 14, 2017 11:33 AM  

Fair enough, it is an internal struggle but I can fight for what is good in the Church, I have several Catholic saints as my direct ancestors.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 11:38 AM  

@77 Gregorian Chant. Polyphony. Baroque and Classical and Romantic Mass settings.

And for Hymns: Ave Verum. Tantum Ergo. O Salutaris Hostia. O Sacrament Most Holy. To Jesus Christ Our Sovereign King (by my own hometown's Monsignor Hellriegel at the advent of WWII). Etc, Etc.

I will admit that all of the best, modern (20c+), English language church music composers have come from the Anglicans - like Rutter.

Blogger ZhukovG July 14, 2017 11:40 AM  

@c matt: I do not propose abandoning our denominations. I propose alliances to win them back, with or without official approval.

Instead of screaming Heretic! and Papist! at each other we help each other to fight back. Which can simply mean prayer for one another or sharing strategies that have worked to fix an issue with a local congregation.

One of the earliest Christian confessions of faith was simply 'Jesus is Lord'. I think we can agree on that and it gives us the greatest of foundations to move forward.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 11:45 AM  

@81 Amen. If these SJWs are good for anything, at least they give us an external enemy to unite against. "The prospect of hanging" and all that.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 14, 2017 11:53 AM  

"47. Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 10:35 AM
@43 When that is in the service of true doctrine, of Truth, that is a good thing; when it has been coopted as it has now, what can we do but pray?

But there is no place I can go but the Catholic Church, save the Orthodox Churches, where I may eat and drink the precious Body and Blood of the Lord, as he commanded, lest I lose everlasting life. Nor may I confess my sins and receive forgiveness from those to whom he said 'What you forgive, are forgiven them; what you retain, are retained,' in any other place There is no other congregation, save perhaps high church Anglican, who even makes any similar claim, much less has the fullness of His promise.

"To whom shall we go? You have the words of life everlasting." Indeed, to whom can we turn but Peter, who was given the Keys by Christ? Ave Verum Corpus.
"



When I see comments like this it makes me sad. It also makes it blatantly obvious that many nominal Catholics do not and have not read a Bible. I say 'a Bible' because I'm not convinced that many of them even own a Bible of their own.

Get a Bible for yourself.
Read your Bible for yourself.
Pray in the name of Jesus for the wisdom to understand what God wants you to understand.
Pray in the name of Jesus for discernment.
Keep reading and praying.

Seek and your shall find.
Knock and it shall be opened.
This is between you and Jesus.
Jesus wants to be known.
The Father wants to be known.
Go meet them.

Anonymous johnc July 14, 2017 11:56 AM  

@83 When I see comments like this it makes me sad.

Would you like a Kleenex?

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 11:58 AM  

@83 I completely agree. Everyone should read their bible. Every. Single. Day.

Incidentally, one of the nicest features of the Mass and the Liturgy of the Hours, the common prayer of the Church, is that Catholics who attend the Mass and pray the Hours go through every last Psalm every four weeks, even as watered down as the modern office is, and have (usually) 2 readings from the old testament every day and one reading from the Gospels, as well as snippets from all over the bible - and a reading from the Church Fathers or the saints.

But why is it that you believe I do not read the bible?

Regardless, we are brothers in Christ, and we are facing a common enemy. So let us pray that all may be one in Christ.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey July 14, 2017 12:00 PM  

Wesley? Luther? We've got Bach. So, you lose.

Blogger James July 14, 2017 12:00 PM  

Conor Foran wrote:@52 That slow slide is why it is ABSOLUTELY VITAL to have, as the Protestants say, a "Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ".

You can't exactly have a personal relationship with God qua God, save perhaps maybe as a favored slave or pet. He's too much. But you can have one with Christ - and you must.


Isn't Christ God? And as per your personal relationship: What color eyes and hair does Christ have? Maybe "personal relationship" doesn't mean what it implies?

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 12:01 PM  

@86 I would rather have the music of both traditions. For all my personal dislike of Luther, the man wrote good hymns.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 12:04 PM  

@87 Christ is two natures, Divine and Human in one hypostatic union. One cannot directly relate to God; one requires an Intercessor, a Perfect and Eternal High Priest, Christ, to intercede between God and Man. By approaching to Christ as a Brother while still revering him as God, He may bring you to know God as well.

Indeed, Christ said, "No one comes to the Father except through Me." Even those who did not or could not know Him as a man knew him through his eternal action as the Logos, the Word of God, the Divine Reason that is Truth and the Way to the Father.

Anonymous Crusader Jim July 14, 2017 12:15 PM  

So we all agree this is the FAULT of Martin Luther, Calvin and (((Oliver Cromwell))) right?

Blogger Abdul July 14, 2017 12:15 PM  

Recently I was asked to help a trade organization for a brand new industry. When I found out that a certain person was involved, a notorious SJW whom once tried to impose "non-violent" (read: passive-aggressive) communication skills on a mailing list, I passed.

Currently I am building my own. Linus Torvalds is my role model (I already have the Stallman).

Blogger praetorian July 14, 2017 12:15 PM  

Regardless, we are brothers in Christ, and we are facing a common enemy. So let us pray that all may be one in Christ.

Amen.

No more brother wars.

Anonymous Crusader Jim July 14, 2017 12:16 PM  

"When I see comments like this it makes me sad. It also makes it blatantly obvious that many nominal Catholics do not and have not read a Bible. I say 'a Bible' because I'm not convinced that many of them even own a Bible of their own."

We invented the Bible, jerk off.

Blogger Elizabeth July 14, 2017 12:17 PM  

Michael Neal wrote:The priesthood became a refuge for homosexuals, any easy choice for a gay man to make who does not want to out himself to his family. It also is a refuge for men who struck out in love so it's infested by betas and gammas. The Orthodox were correct in keeping marriage for priests. I believe both the Catholics and Orthodox are the tru faith but unfortunately in schism.

I knew an bachelor attorney who left the firm in order to serve as an attorney in the Vatican. Sweet guy, but awkward around women.

Blogger Jew613 July 14, 2017 12:19 PM  

Why I don't understand is why the churches didn't purge the heretics. How do the different churches excommunicate heretics and why didn't it happen?

Blogger Elizabeth July 14, 2017 12:20 PM  

andon wrote:A new study examining discrimination and harassment in the field of astronomy shows that women of color are far more likely to feel unsafe at work because of their gender and race than other groups.



probably because they are unqualified and incompetent


Standards of competence be racist and sexist.

Anonymous bbgkb July 14, 2017 12:20 PM  

Vox Day followers want a genocide in America against all non-english lol

No, there is talk of allowing productive Asians to stay.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 12:20 PM  

@93 Indeed. And to your other comment,
@90 Ultimately, we must recognize the disharmony between Christians is our, individual, fault. God will Judge and justly. "Thy judgements are true and righteous altogether.

Repent.

'Who was the guilty? Who brought this upon thee?
Alas, my treason, Jesus, hath undone thee!
'Twas I, Lord Jesus, I it was denied thee;
I crucified thee.'

Anonymous Jack Amok July 14, 2017 12:21 PM  

A suggestion for evaluating a new church. Look at the congregation. What do they look more like, a SyFy convention, or a Hungarian right-wing party rally? If there are a lot of fat, slab-faced women with purple hair, nobody's preaching much worth while, because fat, slab-faced women seek out places that don't hold anyone to standards. If the church was preaching anything close to a useful doctrine, those women would have been outta there already.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 12:22 PM  

@95 The communist infiltrators defanged and effectively disassembled the Holy Office after Vatican II. If the Church had excommunicated and anathematized the heretics immediately... we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Blogger Cecil Henry July 14, 2017 12:23 PM  

@42 This is how

The Political Correctness Game (SJW Game) - Jordan B. Peterson

http://i.imgur.com/RraXG7L.png
Pass it on.


When you accept the premises of Political Correctness by accepting their language and morality,
you've already lost the battle




We just need to say, without apology, that every group needs its own space. So let 'black astronomers, or 'women astronomers' build their own institutions.

We all know they can do it. YOu go girl!! No help from government or evil White man.

Anonymous krbu July 14, 2017 12:23 PM  

86
You stole Bach. He was ours first!!

Blogger Dexter July 14, 2017 12:39 PM  

A new study examining discrimination and harassment in the field of astronomy shows that women of color are far more likely to feel unsafe at work because of their gender and race than other groups.

World's shortest books:
Blacks I have met while yachting
Blacks I have met in national parks
Black yoga instructors

And now we can add:
Black Female Astronomers

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 14, 2017 12:49 PM  

Conor Foran wrote:@49 By the words of St. Augustine and the decree of the Fourth Lateran Council against the heresy of Donatism, yes.

Go by the words of Jesus, not some council of sinners.

Conor Foran wrote:But why is it that you believe I do not read the bible?

Because you are not following its clear teaching. For example, you expect salvation from the Roman Church instead of from Jesus.

Blogger tz July 14, 2017 12:53 PM  

SJWism, like Islam is a militant religion.
Because it is a religion of the weak, they use seduction and subversion, not direct violence. Even slander ("that sounds racist").
But there's no reasoning with them, and their co-opting of the good will end badly. They are always fuzzy or go motte and bailey with things like tolerance, inclusiveness, etc.

Excommunicate with extreme prejudice.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 14, 2017 12:57 PM  

And for Hymns: Ave Verum. Tantum Ergo. O Salutaris Hostia. O Sacrament Most Holy. To Jesus Christ Our Sovereign King (by my own hometown's Monsignor Hellriegel at the advent of WWII). Etc, Etc.

I will admit that all of the best, modern (20c+), English language church music composers have come from the Anglicans - like Rutter.


Sure, Catholicism has its share. But English language hymns, Protestantism wins by a landslide.

Wesley? Luther? We've got Bach. So, you lose.

As Krbu said, Bach was Lutheran. So thanks for reminding us how great our music is.

Anonymous Savonarola July 14, 2017 12:59 PM  

I sometimes get the urge to bully those lesbian priests and bishops, quite severely. Make them suffer a bit for the nice buildings and lecterns and sinecures and money they snatched. Smash up some things in their dead churches and let the SJWs work a bit to restore them. Or perhaps they will abandon the whole thing when it turns out only the state will defend them during office hours? Who knows.

Unacceptable, you say? See it as ... a purification of their faith and souls.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 1:00 PM  

@104 Salvation and Redemption come through Christ alone, as the Sole mediator between God and Man. What is it to you if I believe that he appointed ministers and stewards as the ordinary means of grace, and you do not?

By what authority do you speak, condemning my belief?

Not the Apostles; for you believe not in the Apostolic Succession.

Not your own; for you have not the authority of your own to correct anyone, when you yourself may be in error.

Not the Bible; for I too read the bible, as do many, and find different things written there than do you.

Not the Holy Ghost; for what signs and wonders do you produce, to verify your testimony before men? Or be you like Mahomet the blasphemer, who claimed divine authority without miracle or wonder or true prophecy?

Peace, brother, and, as our host would say - shoot to the left.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 1:01 PM  

@106 But the language of the Church is not English, it is Latin - and we have 2000 years of hymns stored up and waiting. Let us have both, then, the English and the Latin, and thank God for them!

Blogger praetorian July 14, 2017 1:05 PM  

NO MORE BROTHER WARS.

Catholics and Protestants and Pagans, together.

We can autism later, after we've secured the existence of our people and a future for white children.

Blogger tz July 14, 2017 1:07 PM  

We have a couple strongholds left, but my place isn't at the war front, is it?

Why not?


I am in one of the "strongholds", but the key is:
THE WAR IS EVERYWHERE AND YOU ARE ON THE FRONT LINE TODAY.
Even your off grid ranch will be raided by greens from the EPA swamp. Your yacht will be boarded by pirates.
There is merely the high ground and low ground. You will be targeted, the only advantage is the terrain where they have to shoot upwards with the sun in their eyes.

If you don't do the minimum defense, your theoretically safe area will be overrun.

Perhaps your role is not to shoot, but fortifications need maintaining, supplies provided, wounded needing healing, and weapons forged for those who do.

That is why the alt right is a collection of uneasy alliances. The only valid criticism is when one ally attacks another, weakening the line. We have no margin for "friendly fire".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 1:11 PM  

VD wrote:We have a couple strongholds left, but my place isn't at the war front, is it?

Why not?

Pretty sure CM is a woman.
That said CM, the war is upon you, whether you would or no. And even those who do not take up the sword may still die on one.
Fight. Fight for your family, fight for your children.

Blogger tz July 14, 2017 1:17 PM  

@108 Amen.

We do not grow one micron in Holiness by trying to demonstrate others are shorter.

I did not comment on the spiritual war, but here, it is often toddlers squabbling over whose educational toys are better instead of using them to learn.

Where is the peace bringing wisdom? Where are the signs? Where are the accomplishments like an uncucked church in your city? Jesus showed Thomas his scars. Do you have more than certificates and trophies?

Whatever side, and I will include atheists, what have you accomplished?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 14, 2017 1:17 PM  

Why I don't understand is why the churches didn't purge the heretics.

Sinful people in a fallen world fail, sometimes bigly.

If you want details, I can only give you the Catholic story. Many of the "innovations" of Vatican II and the Novus Ordo had been tried now and then by various clerics, beginning during the Enlightenment and picking up speed in the 1800s, but were always slapped down by the popes. Pope St. Pius X took Modernism seriously enough to write an encyclical about it and create the Oath Against Modernism in 1910 which all clergy were required to take.

In the 20th century, some new factors entered the fray. The Communists made a serious push to infiltrate the seminaries. Modern psychology said homosexuality wasn't a bad thing anymore, so seminaries stopped rejecting them automatically. They started filling up with gay commies, to the point where some seminaries had nicknames like "the Pink Palace."

Unlike heretics of the past who tended to split off, the Modernists were determined to stay in the Church and turn it to their own purposes. By the 1950s, the hierarchy was considerably infiltrated, but the popes kept holding the line, if not always as vociferously as they could have.

At some point (opinions vary on exactly when and how; I tend to think it was shenanigans at the 1958 conclave) they got a Modernist on the papal seat. So now, instead of the papacy being the one last line of defense against heresy, it (or the appearance of it) became part of the undermining. John XXIII soon called a Council, and a group of mostly German Modernist theologians (yes, including Ratzinger/Benedict) came fully prepared with documents ready to vote on and daily talking points. They overwhelmed the orthodox clergy who didn't know what they were dealing with and assumed if the "pope" was okay with it, it must not be as bad as it looked. Even the hardline traditionalists who weren't happy about it voted for most of the documents, so a whole new set of Modernist doctrines was voted into existence, and everything that's come out of the Vatican since then has been based on them. Just listen to any Vatican-approved speaker today, and see how they quote Vatican II ten times more often than everything that was said or written before it.

Fortunately, we still have all the timeless teachings of the Church beginning with Scripture and going through the Church Fathers, Doctors, popes, and saints; so we don't have to pay any more attention to what the Modernists wrote in the 1960s than we pay to what the Cathars taught in the 13th century.

The point of all that detail: undermining and infiltration can take a long time, generations in this case, and since it happens slowly, it doesn't alert the masses. The frog simmers. But when they reach a critical mass, they move quickly to consolidate their power, while normal people are just starting to notice something's not right.

Blogger Dedd Sirius July 14, 2017 1:17 PM  

Even though I enjoy listening to contemporary Christian pop music, I don't like to hear it or try to sing it at church. At church I want to sing a traditional hymn that is easy for a group of non-professional singers to sing in unison. Not straining to sing like Mariah Carey a song that sounds terrible without all the production effects.

I pray to god every day. But I never go to church, because the music is now like a wannabe Pearl Jam concert for the wannabe musicians in the congregation, and the prayers are just breathy, vapid emotional circle jerks, and the sermons are usually just "testimony" about "I was a popular bad boy and now I found god and look at my wife isn't she hot and we are so loving the lord and please fund our mission trip to Cancun".

To me church is a waste of valuable time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 1:22 PM  

Luca Brayson wrote:Please tell me where you found a Catholic parish like this so I can join it.
Holy Rosary in Portland.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 1:22 PM  

@114 Many things happened at Vatican II that were, almost certainly, unwise at best; let us not speak further of the council itself, lest we be made heretics and anathema. But worse even than the council was the way those who had infiltrated the Church seized upon Vatican II, or 'the spirit of Vatican II', to throw out the letter of what had been agreed upon - like, for one example, the pre-eminence of Gregorian Chant as the Music of the Church, the Novus Ordo being said in Latin, with the option to occasionally say it in a different tongue, and the option to occasionally say mass facing the congregation, not ad orientem.

Instead, we got... the destruction of the Churches. And Clown Masses.

The sole unequivocally good thing that Vatican II did, at least in my opinion, was add a third reading to the High Masses. It was a clever idea and one that should have been implemented earlier.

Blogger DonReynolds July 14, 2017 1:29 PM  

During the long Viet Nam conflict, one of the ways to avoid the military draft was divinity school and we are paying the price for that policy. As anti-war activists elected to avoid the draft by going to divinity school, they ended up being ordained in every imaginable church and sect. Now we are 40 - 50 years later and these same anti-Viet Nam conflict radicals have floated to the top of Protestant and Roman Catholic alike, and dominated the Peace Corps and a number of NGOs. They are the cadre of the SJWs.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 14, 2017 1:30 PM  

@19 @12 Things become a lot clearer if you believe a la Barnhardt (as I do) that Jose Bergoglio is an antipope, and Benedict XVI the reigning pontiff.

What Barnhardt fails to comprehend is that the RCC ended in December 1965 with the ratification of apostasy - Vatican II. The most consistent position would appear to be that of the Sedevacantists, who contend that every pope who endorsed this apostasy was an anti-pope, even JP II (who kissed the Koran - which is basically no different than kissing Les 120 journées de Sodome ou l'école du libertinage). Barhardt, oddly, often refers to Vatican II as the "asteroid that hit the church" but fails to grasp even the significance of her own metaphor. Being hit by an asteroid is generally a euphamism for complete destruction.

Despite her desperate clinging, Barnhardt is smart enough to see that Bergoglio is busy amassing power constructing a shiny-new one-world religion to go along with the one-world government he endorses along with the Vatican Bathhouse in general. Bergoglio - whose record in Argentina as a sordid Marxist controlled by George Soros is well known - was created Cardinal by JP II in 2001. I suppose at this point she'd finally break ranks and become a Sedevacantist herself. She even ackowledges that the few semi-traditionalists within the hierarchy have basically given up and await Divine intervention.

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 1:36 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:She even ackowledges that the few semi-traditionalists within the hierarchy have basically given up and await Divine intervention.
There are a lot of us praying and fasting for God to intervene. There is no human solution that I can see. At this point, even sudden death and replacement of Bergoglio wouldn't really fix anything.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 1:36 PM  

@119 I respect your argument, though I do not believe it to be true.

It does not seem to me prudent to take this position when as Catholics we believe and confess that the Church was founded by Christ on Peter: "Thou art Peter (Kephas), and upon this rock I shall build my church," and he continues, most importantly to us Catholics, "AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT."

If Peter is indeed the Rock the Gates of Hell cannot prevail against, then Barnhardt's position seems at least to me to be the most convincing, as the Pope still reigns and the Gates of Hell have not prevailed against the Petrine office, and the Church on which that office was founded.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 1:38 PM  

There are a lot of us praying and fasting for God to intervene.

what if you spoke out instead, IRL?

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 1:41 PM  

@123 Is that not what we are doing? But the time for human intervention has passed. If the Roman Catholic Church is to be saved, the direct intervention of God will be necessary.

Which is why some believe that Rome will be judged, and the next Pope will be Peter the Roman, the Angelic Pope who with the Angelic Monarch will cause a period of peace to come about before the final tribulation.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable July 14, 2017 1:43 PM  

I understand your viewpoint, but the time to attempt that was over one hundred years ago

Wait until you see what we can get done now that we've put our minds and energies into it.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2017 1:46 PM  

Is that not what we are doing? But the time for human intervention has passed.

what if a thousand or ten thousand angry white men screamed I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!

the earth would shake

Blogger Chiva July 14, 2017 1:47 PM  

"There are a lot of us praying and fasting for God to intervene. There is no human solution that I can see."

Sometimes prayer and fasting is all we have. His will be done.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 14, 2017 1:58 PM  

@121 Snidely Whiplash

Prayer and fasting are always needed. The question is always: does anyone heed the call? Because sometimes that call requires creating piles of corpses.

We'll know certain sections of the RCC have gotten serious when Inquisition 2.0 gets rolling.

Blogger Jon Mollison July 14, 2017 1:59 PM  

Catholics: Catechize. If you want to push back, volunteer your time to teach RCIA or CCD. I've never been to a church that wasn't hard up for people to teach new Catholics the Catechism. If you are the teacher, you can focus on the important things (confession, Real Presence, Apostolic Succession, etc.) instead of the Churchian "niceness doctrine" most Catechists focus on.

Do not underestimate the effects of such small steps on the ear effort.

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 2:03 PM  

@129 The problem is with the parish staff, the priests, and the bishops, who have betrayed their flocks. Many, most, especially the older priests will not PERMIT the truth to be taught in their parishes. In my very own parish, Confirmation was administered to APOSTATES who DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.

The hour is too late for any human effort to win, though every bit of human effort may yet limit the ultimate damage.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 2:25 PM  

Jon Mollison wrote:Catholics: Catechize. If you want to push back, volunteer your time to teach RCIA or CCD. I've never been to a church that wasn't hard up for people to teach new Catholics the Catechism.
My local parish shut down the CCD program rather than allow orthodox Catholics to teach.

Blogger Can't wait July 14, 2017 2:36 PM  

Women allowed to perform roles God has set aside for men is the beginning of every Church downfall I've witnessed in my five decades of attendance. This is the same for other institutions I believe as well.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. July 14, 2017 3:17 PM  

Sometimes prayer and fasting is all we have.

^ Textbook example of an asceticism too far.

Blogger Unknown July 14, 2017 3:21 PM  

This post risks being too "about me" but I think the broader questions is one of general applicability, so I'll ask anyway. Just tell me/or don't answer if it is too personally specific.

Broadly, how would those of you with opinions one way or another advise choosing between traditionalist faith and white homogeneity in a place where the congregations are either white SJW or devout minorities?

More specifically, we are retuning to practicing as we raise small children (2 boys, 1 girl). My wife and I were raised Anglican and Catholic, respectively. We live on a remote island where off-island travel for anything less than a major trip is impossible. In the winter, at times, we are iced-in.

For context, the island is 80% white and 20% Native American with low crime, unlocked doors, keys left in the ignition, kids roam fairly freely from once they can shoot well (bears). Non-Native minorities are negligible within the general population: 1/3 of 1% Philipin; I can count the mexicans, blacks, and east asians on my fingers; and perhaps most importantly there are 0 muslims.

Our Church options are:

Anglican - 200 people - 100% white -100% SJW
(female baby boomer clergy)

Catholic - 200 people - 60% Phillipino - 20% SJW - 20% traditional white
(one male priest, no local pastor)

Russian Orthodox - 100 people - 50% Native American - 50% traditional white
(two male clergy)
My inclination is to stick with the Catholicism I know and fight back the small SJW contingent. I genuinely like the Phillipinos. But perhaps it would be better to join and try to grow the Orthodox congregation?

But back to the broad question - if the West was built by European Christians, how do you pick between European and Christian where non-Europeans are more traditionalist and more devout Christians?

Blogger Conor Foran July 14, 2017 3:24 PM  

@134 This will be unpopular on this site... but as the good book says, "Leave behind father and mother and brother and follow me. No one who looks back is fit for the Kingdom of God."

Jesus Saves. Can Europe do the same?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 3:31 PM  

@134
That's the burden of being a parent.
Forget the Anglicans. They are no longer a Christian Church.

The best measure of a Church? Go in and count the ratio of children to adults. A faithful congregation will have children, which is to say, they will have God's blessing.

Blogger Jon Mollison July 14, 2017 3:43 PM  

@131: "My local parish shut down the CCD program rather than allow orthodox Catholics to teach."

*jaw drop*

I've had to push back twice as hard against people objecting to my teaching the Catechism accurately, but that's just astonishing. The priests I've dealt with were either strong enough to allow me to continue or weak enough to cave to my...strenuous...arguments in favor of teaching the Catechism and not the "niceness doctrine". The weak priests will fold to the strongest pushers - you just have to push back stronger than the SJWs. It can be done. And when it can't? There are other parishes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 3:53 PM  

Jon Mollison wrote:And when it can't? There are other parishes.
Which was, ultimately, what it came to.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 3:59 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Which was, ultimately, what it came to.
The sad part is that the cabal of women finally killed the parish. It was shut down by the diocese after all the orthodox Catholics and all the families with children left. Both crashing attendance and crashing donations made it a non-viable proposition.

I spoke to one of them not long ago, and she couldn't understand what had happened. As in, she could not parse the sentence "You (and your friends) killed the parish with your intolerant and anti-Catholic manipulation."

OpenID markstoval July 14, 2017 4:39 PM  

Many interesting and enlightened comments on this thread. I spent time reading them all slowly and thinking about it.

The parish I know is run by a flaming SJW. It is amazing how blatantly anti-Christian these "priests" are really. This one priest is only interested in local politics and winning socialistic concessions out of the local politicians through and inter-faith organization. He once said in a Homely that going to the yearly meeting was enough to get you into heaven. (no, the bastard really said that)

The Bishop knows about all this and approves apparently. So, where will the RCC end up? I think it is on life-support now and there is no hope at all in the West. (without direct divine intervention)

What is the alt-right to do? I say work with those traditional Christians and churches where you can find them. I also say work with those political groups that are "right-wing" all you can. Allies will be needed to survive the coming dark ages.

I will not be of any help, as I am close to the end. But I can say that what I saw from Vietnam to now tells me that stopping the rot and decay is job one. (and I just don't know if it can be done)

Oh well.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 14, 2017 4:42 PM  

Anglican Church in America. No women officiating. The 1928 Book of Common Prayer (though sometimes our minister uses Thomas Cramner's original.) Small but devout.

https://anglicanchurchinamerica.org

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 14, 2017 5:01 PM  

The Anglican Church in America welcomes all to worship and confirmed Roman Catholics and Orthodox to receive communion with us "devoutly, kneeling."

We have several Orthodox who regularly worship with us for lack of a suitable parish of their own nearby.

OpenID zoethhowland July 14, 2017 5:31 PM  

@134 and @136

Our congregation also has a large group originally from the Philippines. Beautiful people, and very mission-minded. Bible-based. Catholicism is the way to go then in your area. Although I am theologically biased against much of the tradition within Catholicism, I know many who are true Believers and not going through the motions.

Yes, these are not the Anglicans of C.S. Lewis on your island.

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 14, 2017 5:45 PM  

" The conservatives make it a priority to serve the church and serve God, while the radicals are always scheming to advance the radical agenda. The conservatives are constantly outmaneuvered because they are not playing the political games. They end up getting marginalized, despite having numbers...."

The Left is always and only about Power. They are fundamentally parasites sucking the blood out of society.

At every turn, they defect from the purported purpose of any org to further their own power.

The fundamental mistake of the "muh principles" Cuck is to continue to cooperate while the Left defects. That's not upholding your principles, that's betraying them.

Yes, it would be a lot better not to be in continual war with the Left. But you don't achieve that by unilateral ceasefire. That only enables and rewards Leftist aggression. Peace is not an option until they want it too, or are crushed.

Tit for tat. Always.

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 14, 2017 5:51 PM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:There is another option. If you are in a position of power, and you cannot deconverge an org you should accelerate its convergence and magnify the ideology. Social justice destroys all, and if an org is converging then it makes sense to make it converge harder and faster. The key is to target the moderate liberals..purge them then let the blue hairs do their thing.

That way it crashes and burns in a more spectacular way.


Good point.

If you have to cede territory, burn everything of value to the ground, leaving the parasites nothing to feast on but themselves.

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 14, 2017 5:59 PM  

horsewithnonick wrote:Increasingly, the front is coming to you, no matter where you are.

You may not be interested in Power, but Power is interested in you.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger July 14, 2017 6:35 PM  

Vox Day followers want a genocide in America against all non-english lol

No, there is talk of allowing productive Asians to stay.


Hah! Everyone knows that we Germans make the best Americans!

Anonymous Avalanche July 14, 2017 7:53 PM  

@17 @Cataline Sergius

A friend of mine responded to this:

http://reactionarytimes.blogspot.com/2017/07/episcopal-paganism.html
The Episcopal "Church" has moved so far away from the teaching of Christ that it's not even a corrupt version of Christianity. Not when the American Presiding Arch Bishop uses the phrase...and I am not making this up..."Mother Jesus" in her sermons.

=============

A distant cousin of mine (now deceased) who embarrassed our family by apostacizing from the True Church of Scotland to the False Church of England referred to this woman as "the Arch-Pythoness."

This was because she gave a sermon in which she condemned the Apostle Paul for intolerance, sexism, eurocentrism, etc. because he rebuked a sorceress who conducted her rites accompanied by a python.

She said that unlike Paul she was "open" to "new ideas" and "other people's beliefs."

Paul should never have been judgmental toward the sorceress and her snake. (I'm not making this up.)

She's better than the Apostle Paul.

In fact, like others of her ilk, she is better than God himself because she is more moral and kindlier.

Unlike Job, the Archpythoness is able to sit in judgment on her Creator.

There are ways one can detect "Christians" like the Arch-Pythoness."

One certain give-away is that they like to ooh and aah about God's alleged
"unconditional love."

There is nothing in the Bible or in Christian theology - you won't find a scrap even in the libraries full of the heresies of the Orthodox, the Roman Catholics and others - that supports in any way the idea of God's love being unconditional.

God's love - like any sensible human's love - is very much conditional.

The minute you hear one peep from someone about "unconditional love" just write him off as either a charlatan or a moron.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 8:25 PM  

Unamused Flyover Resident wrote:The Anglican Church in America welcomes all to worship and confirmed Roman Catholics and Orthodox to receive communion with us "devoutly, kneeling."
That's because Anglicans have rejected Christ's own words on the matter.

Anonymous CitizenOutkast July 14, 2017 8:29 PM  

Michael Neal wrote:bring back the inquisition

No one will be expecting that!

Blogger Daniel July 14, 2017 8:40 PM  

Dude, links!

Blogger tz July 14, 2017 9:12 PM  

Breitbart has the broken link to the article (as does Matt Shea), but zero for the offertory basket until this is denounced.

EVANGELICAL FUNDAMENTALISM AND CATHOLIC INTEGRALISM IN THE USA: A SURPRISING ECUMENISM

(the title in the original was allcaps).
I'm ashamed to be associated with a church that would print this, and this is an official publication (though not authoritative, but do you let muddy dogs into your living room?).

Blogger Beau July 14, 2017 9:14 PM  

A smashing success today! Preached to over 300 people outdoors in Jackson, Michigan. The text was John 10:10, Jesus speaking, "The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I have come that you may have life abundantly." Did this at a church that made the decision to take the gospel outdoors, "We've never done anything like this before!" One older lady said, "This is one of the best days of my life!" Jesus was magnified today.




Blogger Abyssus Invocat July 14, 2017 9:57 PM  

Find a parish where the priests are from Society of St.Pius the Xth. (SSPX). If there isn't one near you, look for one with Traditional Form Mass. If there's neither, contact SSPX and ask for help. Ephesians 6. Good luck and God bless.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat July 14, 2017 9:58 PM  

Does anyone know of an example anywhere of successful de-convergence?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 14, 2017 10:45 PM  

Abyssus Invocat wrote:Does anyone know of an example anywhere of successful de-convergence?

St Francis, believe it or not

The pattern in the Catholic church is not for individual organizations to deconverge, but for them to die and be replaced by stricter observance. The movement started by Francis, going unshod, preaching Christ without a penny to one's name, inspired tens of thousands of men and women into radical discipleship. You can see it among the women's order today. The LEadership conference of Women Religious represents dozens of orders that are dying out, some with an average age of over 70.
Those orders are being replaced by new orders, which belong to the Council of Majors Superior of Women Religious. Some of the orders, which are unable to accept new postulants because they simply have no more capacity, have an average age under 30. Two particular growing orders are the Sisters Mater Eucharistae and the Nashville Dominican Sisters.
A similar dynamic is underway among men, but monasteries tend to be less into service and mroe into prayer, so you don't hear much about them.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 14, 2017 10:52 PM  

Still working on it. We got our primary mission statement "Free Speech" and (hah!) it triggered one of the SocJus staff, but it's still an uphill battle.

I know I carp at Vox Day betimes for what he gets wrong, but he's helping us in the fight for truth, justice, and the American Way, and I'm grateful.

Anonymous Deplorable me July 15, 2017 12:22 AM  

Lots of thoughtful comments today, thanks.

I'm RCC and I'm currently church shopping. The three RCC churches can't even be considered. Yes they're familiar, no I'm not going to a church where I'm simply going through the motions. If I had a history with one of those parishes, then I'd have more of a stake in fighting. But, as a newcomer, I'm not looking for a fight, just a spiritual home.

Tried Greek Orthodox: quite foreign to an RCC, and the (small) parish is quite old.
Liked Anglo-Catholic (85% similarity to RCC), but this parish is also quite small.

Last week, tried LCMS, and that may be the winner. Hymns (7) are old and reverent; the pastor laid down the law before beginning to distribute Communion at the rail (glad to have visitors, but if you're not of our doctrine, then sit quietly). Sermon wasn't quite fire & brimstone, but he was very strict about doctrine and dealing with the real world. Approximately 100 people were there, with a nice mix of ages.

Middling RCC that I am, I'm less concerned about following RCC doctrine to the letter than finding a church that follows basic Christian doctrine. A good thing about my search is that I've got a largish stack of theology books to read ... Augustine, Aquinas, Book of Concord ... at least I'll end up better informed than when I began.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 15, 2017 4:03 AM  

@Vikki Wilson

"Mary Eberstadt has an interesting article on the predictive nature of Paul VI's Humanae Vitae (1968)in First Things.
She's a social science researcher who has written provocatively on the role of birth control technology in the 'great de-coupling' of sex from reproduction during the sexual revolution. It placed male-female relations in the same realm as homosexuality: its consequentiality became reduced to individual appetite plus sentiment.In these circumstances gay marriage becomes a reasonable argument."

Exactly. Interesting point on the fertility-religiosity direction of causation, too. Never thought of that possibility.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 15, 2017 4:04 AM  

@Grayman
"There isnt enough chalk in the world to fill in that blank slate."

Noice. Gonna have to steal that one, if you don't mind.

Anonymous Jim July 15, 2017 4:45 AM  

Libertarians.

There is a story in the US Libertarian party they got wind 30 commies were going to infiltrate a key NY meeting back in 1971.

They broke the jaws or arms of every one of them. Friendly cops carted them away.

Probably a myth. But maybe the right idea. LP meetings are pretty SJW free. In sum, don't give them a foothold.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke July 15, 2017 8:19 AM  

Will your next SJW book have strategies and tactics of disconvergence? If not, then maybe that could be book 3... :-)

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 15, 2017 2:54 PM  

I vote we genocide anyone who cannot leave a comment in competent English.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable July 15, 2017 9:04 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Luca Brayson wrote:Please tell me where you found a Catholic parish like this so I can join it.

Holy Rosary in Portland.


Thanks, I'll check it out.

Unknown wrote:Broadly, how would those of you with opinions one way or another advise choosing between traditionalist faith and white homogeneity in a place where the congregations are either white SJW or devout minorities?

Neither and both.

Take the kids to the zero-SJW Russian Orthodox. And make a Beer & Bible Study (or something like that) with one good white man from whichever.

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