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Monday, July 17, 2017

Five questions about Russia

Charlie Martin has a few questions about the Trump-Russia "scandal":
Question One. Does agreeing to meet with any Russian constitute collusion? Does lobbying by a Russian constitute collusion?

Question Two. What criminal statute covers meeting with Russian private citizens? For that matter, what criminal statute covers accepting opposition research about a candidate?

Question Three What is the massive ethical breach involved here? Was it more unethical than these?

Question Four. Does this photograph indicate collusion with the Russians? Is it only collusion when your name is "Trump"?

Question Five. What the hell is is wrong with these people?
I can only conclude that the media never heard the tale about the boy who cried wolf. Then again, it is Russian....

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105 Comments:

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 17, 2017 6:21 AM  

This nicely sums up the insanity of the last week. No one can seem to articulate what the actual wrong doing is in this episode. Instead they just yell "Treason" or "Russians".

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable July 17, 2017 6:32 AM  

The LoUC smiles.

Blogger SteelPalm July 17, 2017 6:33 AM  

I remember when we first immigrated from Moscow to the US in the 90s, it was fashionable for leftists to smear anyone concerned about Russia as a lunatic stuck in the 80's Cold War mentality.

Hell, Bathhouse Barry mocked Mittens Romney for this very reason in the 2012 debates!

So it's doubly hilarious to see leftists so seamlessly transition into the same frothing, raving retards they claimed to scorn a few years later. Only I never expected them to be this unhinged!

As Vox says, SJWs always project!

Anonymous Cinco July 17, 2017 6:34 AM  

I have been wondering why any "donations" to the Clinton Foundation have not been brought into the light over this. I mean if simply meeting with a russion is Treason, what is taking their money?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 17, 2017 6:48 AM  

I have been wondering why any "donations" to the Clinton Foundation have not been brought into the light over this.

Because Clinton lost. Republicans in Congress like Gowdy and Charts Chaffetz had planned on spending four years investigating the Clinton foundation in the event of a Clinton victory.

Blogger tuberman July 17, 2017 6:56 AM  

The Globalists have been breaking their own Alinsky rules for quite a while now. Pushing the same theme too long is tiresome. Nothing Left.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 17, 2017 7:04 AM  

Question Four. Does this photograph indicate collusion with the Russians? Is it only collusion when your name is "Trump"?

This has to be one of the most bizarre coincidences:

The husband of the former Florida chair of the Trump campaign obtained a front-row seat to a June 2016 House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing for Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian attorney who had met with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower eight days prior.

Lanny Wiles, the husband of former Florida campaign chair Susie Wiles, saved the prominent seat for Veselnitskaya at the June 14 hearing on “U.S. Policy Toward Putin’s Russia,” ABC News has confirmed.

Anonymous Steve July 17, 2017 7:16 AM  

I have been wondering why any "donations" to the Clinton Foundation have not been brought into the light over this.

The only reason you know Clinton dishonestly obtained the debate questions ahead of time is because of Wikileaks. The US media was telling people not to read news from unapproved sources.

Hillary Clinton could get caught abusing a squid, and the media would run with the headline TRUMP REFUSES TO DISAVOW UNDERWATER RUSSIAN AGENT

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 17, 2017 7:18 AM  

Hillary Clinton could get caught abusing a squid, and the media would run with the headline TRUMP REFUSES TO DISAVOW UNDERWATER RUSSIAN AGENT

Correction, if it's a squid it's highly likely to be a Goldman banker.

Anonymous Steve July 17, 2017 7:22 AM  

Josh - (((every damn time!)))

Anonymous TS July 17, 2017 7:26 AM  

OT

A thoughtful article about nationalism

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/07/linh-dinh/american-nation-destroyed/

As pertaining to the Trump/Russian witch hunt. All the globalists and they're minions on the left got is trying to rally around fighting a boogeyman. The leftist idiots today sure aren't like the hippy peaceniks of the 60's.

Blogger traderdoc July 17, 2017 7:26 AM  

Talk about unhinged -read Maureen Dowd's article this week. It's a good example of why Trump Derangement is so dangerous to a journalist

Blogger SirGroggy July 17, 2017 7:29 AM  

I'd be more concerned about collusion of the Bush family with the Mexicans.

According to Gavin McInnes, George W. Bush speaks 'unaccented Spanish'.

And Jeb "Open Borders" Bush is married to a Mexican woman and they speak Spanish at home with eachother and the kids.

Did the media once say this is a strange thing for a US presidential candidate to be doing?

As for the Democrats, how about Hillary's close confidant being tied to the Muslim Brotherhood.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/292310-huma-abedins-ties-to-the-muslim-brotherhood

I would be much more concerned with that.

A question of my own:
Rank the following groups in terms of the amount of damage they are doing to the USA:

* Russians
* Hispanics
* Muslims

According to the media, it goes like this

1) Russians
2) Russians
3) Russians

Blogger SirGroggy July 17, 2017 7:36 AM  

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Blogger Buybuydandavis July 17, 2017 7:39 AM  

I've even seen Alan Dershowitz, not exactly a Trump fan, on multiple shows saying the Russian Collusion is a complete fishing expedition for something that wouldn't even be a crime.

Blogger Felix Bellator July 17, 2017 7:52 AM  

@8 & @9 - NASALT! No true squid would work for Goldman Sachs. But those damn cuttlefish would!

Romney did try to warn the Democrats about the Russians in 2012, but did they listen?

Blogger bosscauser July 17, 2017 7:56 AM  

MSM all gossip all the time....
It did get Clinton's gang off the hook for real crimes...
And about a dozen mysterious deaths involved with them go unreported and unsolved..

Yes, the elites have special rules!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky July 17, 2017 8:16 AM  

The irony is that if you could get rid of the Democrat Party and replace it while hog with the Russians of today, then the prospects for American nationalism would probably be improved. Democrats have been eagerly running this place into the ground my entire life.

Blogger ZhukovG July 17, 2017 8:29 AM  

The only collusion that has occurred, and has gone on for decades, is the so called Conservatives with the Globalist Left.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 17, 2017 8:29 AM  

as i've been pointing out almost since this thing fired off, the Democrats don't give a crap about cooperating with the Russians. they LOVE cooperating with the Russians ... and Chi-Coms ... and Saudis ... and Cubans ... and Nicaraguans ... and Venezuelans ... etc. they've been openly cooperating with the KGB since at least FDR ( see the Venona Papers ).

Hell, Bernie Sanders honeymooned in Soviet Russia and he almost became their Presidential candidate last cycle.

the Muh Russia story is entirely a concoction designed to buffalo cuckservatives of the "Better Dead Than Red" mentality ( from back in the 1960s and 70s when "Red" still meant Communist ) into rolling over on Trump and impeaching him.

because Articles of Impeachment can't even get proffered in the House, much less can Trump be 2/3 convicted in the Senate without Recucklican cooperation.

we already know that the lamestream has no integrity and no standards. so lack of damning evidence is never going to be an impediment to the lies they attempt to sell.

Anonymous Mark Auld July 17, 2017 8:34 AM  

Even Krauthammer joined the Russia gate goons this week, though never on the Trump train, he's now officially a cuck.

Blogger Phillip George July 17, 2017 8:39 AM  

Why Russia. Rus. Scythians???

because they aren't playing ball with Synagogue of Satan.

Saddam Hussein tried to defect. Colonel Gaddafi tried to defect.

Seth Rich tried to defect.

But Russia have nukes and our prayers and the President's.

Trump is trying to defect. So Rus and the President need our prayers.

To avoid getting bayonet f.....d. Or show trial hung.

And CNN trust Mueller to protect that Swamp.

Blogger ZhukovG July 17, 2017 8:40 AM  

I believe they may have the votes in Congress for impeachment. What they fear is what the American people will do to them if they do it.

The constant litany of Russia, Russia, RUSSIA!!!!, is to undermine President Trump's support among the voters making the treasonous Congresscritter's(or do I repeat myself) job easier.

Blogger James Dixon July 17, 2017 8:43 AM  

> Question One

Is two questions. But if you're Donald Trump the answer to both is apparently yes. They're really not going to like the new rules when we start applying them, are they?

Blogger SirGroggy July 17, 2017 8:43 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:The only collusion that has occurred, and has gone on for decades, is the so called Conservatives with the Globalist Left.

DING!!! Correct - 5 points.

The cuckservatives are perhaps more dangerous than the Democrats because at least the Dems can be voted out and replaced. But if the Republicans are cucked then there is no recourse... except...

All Praise The God-Emperor!!!

Blogger Robert What? July 17, 2017 8:44 AM  

This is nothing more than the Democrats and the Media (yes I know: redundant) trying to undo the results of the last election. With the help of the Cuckservatives of course. The big question is: will they succeed?

Blogger James Dixon July 17, 2017 8:46 AM  

> What they fear is what the American people will do to them if they do it.

As well they should. I'm almost ready to vote for my cuck's D opponent in the 2018 election if they don't pass an actual repeal of Obamacare.

Anonymous Avalanche July 17, 2017 8:48 AM  

(OT: Only just watched your last-night DarkStream over my morning coffee... "perfect" timing for them to announce a 'female Who,' because I finally cut the cable last Thursday! Forgive a wee bit of sperging: I have watched Doctor Who for decades, obsessively. (I can pretty much quote dialog along with the show; and of course I bought all the NuWho DVDs -- NuWho is the restart in 2005 of the series.)

THEN, last season, they had Peter Capaldi (the current Doctor) harassed by supposed Gallifreyan (the Doctor's planet) "soldiers" -- ALL NEGROS! (disgusting!!) and then the Doctor shot a really good WHITE MALE actor playing a planetary official which him to regenerate into a nasty typically loud and aggressive (and unpleasant) FEMALE BLACK PoS! Lost me there FOR SURE!

So, great timing on upping the 'current' "programming" from the Beeb! (And for those suggesting they try a lesbian Doctor -- this past season they had a NEGRO LESBIAN as his companion -- which meant I stopped watching! (Supposedly, she was going to be a one-season addition -- because SO many people dropped the show over their pet VERY-lesbian negro (disgusting). So, a white(-ish?) woman Doctor was their next attempt at "programming." /sperg

Blogger peter blandings July 17, 2017 8:49 AM  

at some point don't you have to ask yourself why trump keeps bending over for this bullshit. why doesn't he lift the sanctions on russia today? why didn't he do it on jan 21? stop recognizing ukraine and stop the flow of u.s. taxpayer money to that bunch of neo nazis? why did he send his sec/state to ukraine for a big smiley photo-op with poroshenko over the headline of accepting ukraine into nato? he undid all the good work he did with putin at the g20. why hasn't he withdrawn the u.s. from nato? something is very wrong at the white house.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 17, 2017 8:49 AM  

*facepalm*


http://www.dailywire.com/news/18519/5-times-democrats-tried-work-russians-swing-aaron-bandler
While this was wrong (but not illegal),
...
Again, this does not excuse Trump Jr's sleazy behavior



the Daily Wire purports to be a "Conservative" news outlet.

and look at the way these retarded dumbshits are characterizing what Junior did. even while they 'refute' the lamestream, they still stipulate to practically every characterization of the situation that the lamestream makes.

so DAMN useless.

Junior didn't do anything sleazy. opposition research isn't sleazy, ESPECIALLY on pieces of crap like the Clintons, rather it's a political necessity.

with friends like these, who needs an opposition party?

at this rate, Donald Trump could shoot down ( nominally ) Right Wing reporters in the street and the electorate would cheer.

Blogger SirGroggy July 17, 2017 8:52 AM  

Again, this does not excuse Trump Jr's sleazy behavior

If somebody offers you opposition research, you are supposed to say Never!!!

And then lose in a very noble fashion. Such is the true path of the true conservative.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 17, 2017 8:57 AM  

Mark Auld wrote:Even Krauthammer joined the Russia gate goons this week, though never on the Trump train, he's now officially a cuck.

Krauthammer isn't a "cuck". He is the cuckoo. Krauthammer has always been the enemy of America.

Anonymous Sgt July 17, 2017 9:04 AM  

It's unethical and bordering on treason to work with foreign powers who are spying on your country to work to get you elected.

Put another way, would anyone have any problem with the Trump team working with Isis or North Korea to obtain information to harm the reputation of a political opponent?

Additionally, working with an enemy to obtain a step up on your political opponent makes it much more likely you would be compromised by that enemy.

Finally, if the Trump team didn't think there was any problem with doing these sorts of team, why have they continually lied about or hid their contact with Russians and their agents?

Blogger Vikki Wilson July 17, 2017 9:07 AM  

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Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 17, 2017 9:17 AM  

33. Sgt July 17, 2017 9:04 AM
It's unethical and bordering on treason to work with foreign powers who are spying on your country to work to get you elected.



what's that? i could have sworn i just heard you say that every single member of AIPAC should be shoveled into an oven.

Blogger Vikki Wilson July 17, 2017 9:24 AM  

I agree with CNN's producer -given the deluge of serious leaks, if there was anything damning it would surely be out 'n proud by now.

They are left waving their increasingly hysterical figments.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2017 9:28 AM  

@15, Dershowitz is a pretty smart guy. It must be depressing for him, watching his team turn into the Keystone Cops.

I repeat myself, but this Russia stuff is just bizarre. Back when the Russians, as the Soviets, were a real threat, most of these same people were doing everything they could to surrender to them. Now they've traded their tie-dyed nuke disarmament t-shirts for Cold Warrior uniforms, and we're not supposed to notice something's different.

It's as if they selected a scandal by throwing darts at 50-year-old newspapers, and they're going to stick with it no matter what.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 17, 2017 9:35 AM  

Sgt,

What does AIPAC stand for?

Anonymous BBGKB July 17, 2017 9:44 AM  

question 6 does it matter if its a jewess instead of an ethnic Russian?

And Jeb "Open Borders" Bush is married to a Mexican woman and they speak Spanish at home

Jeb could have afforded a telenova wife but he picked a dumpy housekeeper.

off, the Democrats don't give a crap about cooperating with the Russians.

I am pretty sure one of jews greatest fears is German creativity working side by side with Russian natural recourses!

would anyone have any problem with the Trump team working with Isis or North Korea to obtain information to harm the reputation of a political opponent?

You have pictures of Crooked Eye Clinton face down in 5yo Haitian cheese, & Anderson Cooper+ Joe Biden double teaming a Bacha Bazi boy? Well I am too noble to sully my hands with such things.

what's that? i could have sworn i just heard you say that every single member of AIPAC should be shoveled into an oven.

That's what it sounded like

Blogger Charles Martel July 17, 2017 9:54 AM  

"What the hell is is wrong with these people?"

Uh, could it be that they have a psychotic obsession to enslave us?

Blogger Charles Martel July 17, 2017 9:59 AM  

@21 "Even Krauthammer joined the Russia gate goons this week..."

Yes, dual US/Israeli citizen Charles Krauthammer was, until this week, firmly in the camp of the alt-right. His defection to the (((other side))) is a watershed event.

Blogger SirGroggy July 17, 2017 10:10 AM  

Additionally, working with an enemy to obtain a step up on your political opponent makes it much more likely you would be compromised by that enemy.

She was not a Russian government representative.

Also I am horrified to learn that the US is at war with Russia.

Just remember: repeat after me, do not march on Moscow, do not march on Moscow...

Blogger SirGroggy July 17, 2017 10:15 AM  

To the suckers who are believing the narrative...

The real story is that it was some Russian broad in charge of adoption of Russian babies or something, she was really tasked with sorting out some issue which stops Americans adopting Russian orphans or some such.

But she wouldn't get a meeting with Trump Jr (let alone Trump) unless she put something in the meeting request to make his ears prick up so he would grant the meeting.

So she said that she had some dirt on Hillary. So Trump Jr accepted the meeting and then found out she didn't have any dirt on Hillary and she just wanted to talk about this adoption thing.

Why in the fuck is this even a story?

Blogger NO GOOGLES July 17, 2017 10:23 AM  

@33
So we need to arrest Hillary Clinton for meeting with Ukranian government officials and actually taking oppo research on Trump from them? She literally did everything that Trump Jr is accused of her, and the reason almost no one has heard of it is because FAKE. NEWS.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 17, 2017 10:26 AM  

33. Sgt July 17, 2017 9:04 AM
It's unethical and bordering on treason to work with foreign powers who are spying on your country to work to get you elected.



since we have been told MANY times now that interfering in a 'democratic election' is an Act of War, i'll offer you an olive branch:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/12/ngo-connected-to-obamas-2008-campaign-used-u-s-tax-dollars-trying-to-oust-netanyahu/?utm_term=.7e12e07ab255

*i* will let *you* shovel every member of AIPAC into the ovens

IF

*you* will let *me* warm the ovens up with Obama and John Kerry for interfering in Israel's democratic election and trying to get Netanyahu's opponent elected.

it's a deal, yeah?

see, i KNEW there was room for compromise between Left and Right, provided everyone was willing to deal honestly and forthrightly with the negotiations.

Blogger peter blandings July 17, 2017 10:26 AM  

Why in the fuck is this even a story?
because trump continues to allow it to be, and his comm team is shit ON shit.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 17, 2017 10:27 AM  

Sgt wrote:Put another way, would anyone have any problem with the Trump team working with Isis or North Korea to obtain information to harm the reputation of a political opponent?

Should a candidate collude with his opponent to cover up bad information about the opponent? Or should the candidate try to bring the truth to light by talking to those who know the truth?

For a related example, it is likely that 0bammy worked with ISIS, and ISIS likely has some evidence of treason by 0bammy. Should we not prosecute and hang 0bammy, because the evidence comes from ISIS?

Anonymous Reenay July 17, 2017 10:45 AM  

It's unethical and bordering on treason
I'm sorry? Well then, gentlemen! We need to give the US back to Britain - we did take it from them with the help of foreign elements like France - that was awfully unethical and bordering on treason of us! Our mistake, fellow subjects of the Queen, we did not mean to be so uncouth as to commit borderline treason and act so unethically. Why, that's a fate worse than death!

Anonymous Sgt July 17, 2017 11:21 AM  

Anti Americans will make any and all excuses for the Trump team's attempt to collude with a country that is known to have attacked our elections.

The big question is what does Russia have on Trump? What did Trump promise Russia for their aid?

How in debt is Trump to Russia and their govt. Controlled banks?

The quickly increasing cache of evidence against the Trump team is too big to ignore.

We all await to see what the the official investigation will yield. Hopefully, it will carefully answer why the Trump team has continually lied about it's contacts with Russian Spies and govt. Repressentatives.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 17, 2017 11:29 AM  

Shut up Obvious.

Blogger Basil Makedon July 17, 2017 11:34 AM  

I do have to hand it to the Left sometimes. Their choice of the word "collusion" as a verbal anchor was inspired.

"Collusion" sounds to laymen like a legal term, but I'm unaware of it actually having any legal significance outside of the realm of Antitrust law. My quick searching of 18 USC does not turn up any crime of "collusion" or involving "collusion" but your millage may very. My legal experience is not in crim law.

Using this word they imply "conspiracy" but of course they can avoid using the word "conspiracy" which has obviously bad and completely apt connection to the phrase "conspiracy theory." We don't have the English phrase "collusion theory."

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents July 17, 2017 11:34 AM  

Globalists will tell as many lies as necessary in order to attack Western civilization.

The big question is what does Soros have on the Clintons? What did the Clintons promise to Soros for his aid?

How in debt are the Clintons to Soros and his banks?

The huge iceberg of information against the Clintons and Soros has been too big to ignore for years.

We all await to see if the swampstream media will ever dare to speak the truth. In the meantime, Soros funded trolls will continue to desperately attempt to divert attention away from their employer.

Blogger Dexter July 17, 2017 11:34 AM  

It's unethical and bordering on treason to work with foreign powers who are spying on your country to work to get you elected.

Are we talking about Israel, China, and the Democrats now?

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2017 11:42 AM  

Let's see, interjector is completely ignoring points asked of him and continuing to beat the drum?

Obvious troll.

Anonymous Sgt July 17, 2017 11:43 AM  

I've yet to hear anyone supporting and defending the Trump team give a decent explanation as to why Trump Jr. chose to lie about the meeting he had with the Russian lawyer and Russian Intelligence operative.

Blogger praetorian July 17, 2017 11:46 AM  

A simple tests for journalists: if you substitute the word 'israel' for 'russia' in your article, would you still write it?

Blogger VFM #7634 July 17, 2017 11:48 AM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 July 17, 2017 11:49 AM  

@55 Sgt
He just flat-out forgot because there was NOTHING THERE.

But you SJWs always lie, so you always project too. Unsurprising.

Look, kid, this isn't Discworld. The earth isn't flat, you can't wish a situation you want into existence by convincing enough idiots it's real, and Spirit Cooking doesn't work.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2017 11:58 AM  

Everyone recognizes Sgt as Attrn from a couple days ago, and other names before that, right? Does it have to wave a big flag?

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2017 12:06 PM  

@56. praetorian

Considering how "Pro-Palestine" a growing number of them are, this may not be the best smell test.

Anonymous Sgt July 17, 2017 12:15 PM  

"He just flat-out forgot because there was NOTHING THERE"

Not true. There was something there. There was a Russian lawyer who was offering dirt on hillary. There was a former Russian Intelligence Agent, there was a british publicist that set up the deal that promised dirt on hillary. And there is the email trail that seems to confirm that he was really excited about the meeting.

When he first told us about it, it was all about "Adoption." Not quite true.

So, why did he lie?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 17, 2017 12:22 PM  

Obvious troll

Obvious troll is Obvious.

Literally. As in the former commenter who called himself Obvious, who was banned for incessant lying and sockpuppetting.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 17, 2017 12:35 PM  

peter blandings wrote:
at some point don't you have to ask yourself why trump keeps bending over for this bullshit. why doesn't he lift the sanctions on russia today? why didn't he do it on jan 21? stop recognizing ukraine and stop the flow of u.s. taxpayer money to that bunch of neo nazis? why did he send his sec/state to ukraine for a big smiley photo-op with poroshenko over the headline of accepting ukraine into nato? he undid all the good work he did with putin at the g20. why hasn't he withdrawn the u.s. from nato? something is very wrong at the white house.

Trump apparently has little control. The State Dept. has resettled more rapefugees in the early months of the Trump admin than in the last several of Housenigga Hussein's. Theoretically, Trump could have fired the entire Dept. of State. The resulting chaos would be nothing coild get done - including rapefugee resettlement. The military is not under his control either. Note the ongoing adventures of Fake Banana Empire legions in Trashcanistan, Ukraine (unofficially) and Iraq.

All this being as it is, he's nevertheless accomplished more than any previous allegedly "conservative" president, even Ronald Reagan - who was neutralized by the George W. Bush CIA shortly into his first term. The Repukes have to be completely destroyed - from the Kentucky Undertaker to worthless cucks like Paul Ryan. Pence is a globalist cuck so the pizza-eaters are gunning for Trump's forced step-down under the 25th amendment - egged on by (((fake news))).

Blogger tuberman July 17, 2017 12:52 PM  

63. Gen. Kong

Peter, of course, knows everything you said, but for some reason he needs to protect the RNCe pedos.

Anonymous andon July 17, 2017 1:07 PM  

55. Anonymous Sgt July 17, 2017 11:43 AM
I've yet to hear anyone supporting and defending the Trump team give a decent explanation as to why Trump Jr. chose to lie about the meeting he had with the Russian lawyer and Russian Intelligence operative.


why did obongo lie about the YouTube fella?

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 17, 2017 1:13 PM  

praetorian wrote:
A simple tests for journalists: if you substitute the word 'israel' for 'russia' in your article, would you still write it?

Not a chance. They'd be looking for a job at Wal-Mart if they did, with less chance of a job in "professional journalism" than Darren Wilson would have of working in a police force. This gets back to another point made by Barnhardt over the last months. The reason (((fake news))) never goes belly up is because of all the morons who continue to buy cable subscriptions. It literally does not matter if there is no audience. As CNN et al are on the cable provider's list of channels they get paid a percentile of subscriptions. There are simple steps anyone can take to make war on the enemy: a) terminate all cable subscriptions; b) remove any kids from public schul - as VD as noted for at least 15 years it's child abuse; c) stop borrowing money - the entire system is based on debt-racketeering. If you borrow money you're putting more into Soros' pocket.

Blogger Ceasar July 17, 2017 1:17 PM  

You can always figure out what the libs are up to by what they are accusing you of...Caught a lib "strategy" commentator on Fox saying that bringing up the Hillary-Ukraine collusion is just the Trump team trying to use the excuse "Everyone does it" as a defense. BINGO!

My guess is that Hillary/Obama team learned damaging info is about to come out through ongoing investigations. Could be related to Ukraine or other under table deals made. They float the Trump Jr story and media rides it like a Tijuana whore so when their stuff is brought to light they can say Trump releasing to distract from "White House Troubles". Also, just a coincidence that John McCain is out of commission due to medical issues? Nah, he is just staying out of light after having to admit being part of the Ukraine/Pee Pee dossier.

Blogger Elder Son July 17, 2017 1:27 PM  

Courtesy of the same people who gave us: Trump in a Russian hotel and given golden showers by prostitutes.

Anonymous andon July 17, 2017 1:40 PM  

The reason (((fake news))) never goes belly up is because of all the morons who continue to buy cable subscriptions. It literally does not matter if there is no audience. As CNN et al are on the cable provider's list of channels they get paid a percentile of subscriptions.

sounds like the scam the BBC has going

Anonymous andon July 17, 2017 1:45 PM  

from twitter:

Gov. Mike Huckabee‏Verified account
@GovMikeHuckabee

Politico this morning had 18 stories on Russia; 1 on Health Care. Sure, that's pretty balanced, right? MSM wonders why we don't trust them.

12:45 PM - 12 Jul 2017

5,750 Retweets
12,261 Likes

Anonymous Reenay July 17, 2017 1:48 PM  

Based on the trolling, how afraid do you think they are that we're not buying these pathetic attempts to "shame" us?

Leftists delenda est.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2017 2:05 PM  

At this point, they have to be figuring that Trump and TrumpCo have been doing business overseas for enough years that if they keep digging, they're bound to find something that A) involves Russia in some way, and B) is illegal or highly embarrassing. It's classic projection, of course: they know they couldn't have had dealings in shady foreign places for decades without taking advantage of the local opportunities, so no one else could either. So surely they'll find something, anything, and then they can crow triumphantly, "See, we told you so!" Doesn't even matter that much if it's related to the campaign at all at this point; they just need something to justify all the months of pointing and shrieking.

Also, it's all they've got left. They abandoned all the other scandals they pushed during the campaign to focus on this one, so no one's going to buy it if they suddenly decide it's really important to care about Trump University or rough locker-room talk again. It's Russia or bust. So they'll bust.

Anonymous Memer July 17, 2017 2:23 PM  

Any idiot who takes the Russia issue lightly and assume it has no legs are likely to find yourself asking how the hell DJT found himself without any options but to work with Dems, give in to the Left agenda, and abandon his own agenda.

True or not, the Russia thing hurts trump. It slows his agenda, it gives GOP lawmakers cover to oppose the agenda. And, most important, it moves Trump swing voters back to the Dems.

This leads to a bigger than usual defeat for the right in 2018 and control by the Left.

Trump better find a way to put this to bed fast!!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 17, 2017 2:27 PM  

While the fake news continues to drone on about Russian phantoms, NATO is fighting itself.

Anonymous Rather, Not July 17, 2017 2:44 PM  

Are there any ethnic Russian Democrats in the House that the God Emperor could throw into the same cell Hillary locked the Benghazi video guy? You know, just to prove he's not in bed with Russians. Maybe grab a few Russian Dem fundraisers too. Make the democrat operatives in the media scream that the GE is being too hard on the Russians.

Blogger tuberman July 17, 2017 2:45 PM  

73. Memer

Idiots are a standard d higher than imbeciles like you.

His supporters will not be affected by this at all, he will, overall, pick up more support. We all know what is going on, and that he cannot win by negotiation with GOP owned by Globalist billionaires or being blackmailed for past behavior. Some targeted GOP establishment will primared by electable pro-Trump people next year. Also, a few more DNC people will lose their jobs.

Lessons will be taught to the Republican Globalists.

Blogger tuberman July 17, 2017 2:52 PM  

According to the latest poll, PDJT, is at 50% in areas that Trump won last year, and no doubt this poll had the usual telephone and other biases, so he is likely at high 50s to 60% in those areas.

Anonymous andon July 17, 2017 2:57 PM  

True or not, the Russia thing hurts trump. It slows his agenda, it gives GOP lawmakers cover to oppose the agenda.

this is the effect of all these democrat and (((media))) lies - it slowed the momentum from his win in November and he hasnt been able to get his agenda implemented so far to much degree

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 17, 2017 3:04 PM  

"Trump better find a way to put this to bed fast!!"

Time to send in the Khmer Rouge.

Anonymous Memer July 17, 2017 3:49 PM  

"His supporters will not be affected by this at all, he will, overall, pick up more support."

Do you think DJT's election supporters all voted FOR HIM instead of AGAINST Hillary?? Please tell me you don't believe this.

"We all know what is going on, and that he cannot win by negotiation with GOP owned by Globalist billionaires or being blackmailed for past behavior."

How do you account for the fact that even after the election, when his support ought to be strongest, he can't move anything of his legislative agenda. One reason is that he's bogged down by "scandal" and he doesn't enjoy the kind of wider support other first time presidents have enjoyed.

"Also, a few more DNC people will lose their jobs. "

Who cares if DNC people lose their jobs. They aren't elected anyway.

You are willing to ignore a lot.

1. GOP won by margins that were much smaller than they ever have been in traditional right wing congressional districts that had special elections.

2. Trump is polling in the high 30s to mid 40s...historically low

3. Trump has failed to push through confirmations the kind of team he needs to mount a legislative attack

4. The Left has demonstrated far more motivation than Trump or the Right.

5. Moderate GOP are more afraid of their constituents than of Trump of the RNC.

6. The Healthcare legislative effort has pushed back legislative efforts (Tax Reform and infrastructure) that could have given Trump an the Right momentum.

7. The GOP/White House press effort has done nothing to stop the media from pursuing stories that should have been shut down months ago.

Blogger tublecane July 17, 2017 3:51 PM  

@68-It was stupider than that. Trump allegedly had the prostitutes pee on a bed once inhabited by Obama. Because revenge?

Sexual excitation connected with being peed on is perverse. Paying prostitutes to revenge-pee, whether or not you derive pleasure from the act (I assume that was the implication), is just dumb.

Anonymous Memer July 17, 2017 3:53 PM  

"this is the effect of all these democrat and (((media))) lies - it slowed the momentum from his win in November and he hasnt been able to get his agenda implemented so far to much degree"

No Shit!
Yet, the Right wants to blame the Media rather than blaming the itself and DJT for not knowing how to fight back.

Where's the legislation for the Wall? Sorry no time yet.
Where's Tax Reform? Sorry no time yet
Where's Infrastructure? Sorry no time yet
Where's healthcare? Sorry, "healthcare is hard...Who knew?"
Where's the NAFTA renegotiation? Sorry...not there yet

But, we have time to for the Russia story because the Right and DJT hasn't figured out how to overcome it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 17, 2017 3:58 PM  

Why are you so emotionally invested in discouraging us?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 17, 2017 4:01 PM  

Concern troll Memer
Where's the legislation for the Wall? S

Thanks for asking, troll. https://fcw.com/articles/2017/07/14/dhs-approps-house-wall.aspx?admgarea=TC_Policy

Now run along, you're not having any effect here.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 17, 2017 4:05 PM  

@81 tubalcane

Well, you-know-who always projects. When I read the prosti-pee story I laughed out loud, because it's the kind of stupid stuff I could see Hillary Rodan Robot ordering her Secret Service detail to pay for, but only in cash.

Blogger Elocutioner July 17, 2017 4:08 PM  

The real action will be in the 2018 primaries where a number of the foot dragging GOPe bastards will be replaced. Dems will lose more seats in Congress. Their propaganda outlets have self-immolated, their power is broken.

Blogger Elder Son July 17, 2017 4:15 PM  

@76 - @73 does have a valid point. It's called voter fatigue.

"Us", meaning Vox's entourage, may not become fatigued, but fickle voters may, and will.

Frankly, that is what this whole Russian thing is about. An attempt to wear down the weak Trump voters.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 17, 2017 4:35 PM  

Donald Trump will never...

Run for president
Do well in the primary debates
Win any primaries
Win the nomination
Do well in the general election debates
Beat Hillary in the general election
Survive recount challenges
Keep his promises to the American people
Nominate a right-wing SC justice
Marginalize the leftist media (YOU ARE HERE)
Build the wall
Help remove the cucks and traitors from office
Shave Angela Merkel's head on live TV
Send them back

Anonymous andon July 17, 2017 4:43 PM  

Yet, the Right wants to blame the Media rather than blaming the itself and DJT for not knowing how to fight back.

what should they do?

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 17, 2017 4:50 PM  

No. The question is, "Is this attempt at the.pracy of one's definitions followed by questions.vased on that asserted definition an example of pilpul in action?"

Blogger Elocutioner July 17, 2017 5:14 PM  

Yes, the right should blame itself for being marks for the Uniparty and get smart. In 2018 it's time to Kick The Cucks and choose our own candidates, no more low energy shills. TGE has shown us the way.

Anonymous Memer July 17, 2017 5:57 PM  

Yet, the Right wants to blame the Media rather than blaming the itself and DJT for not knowing how to fight back.

what should they do?"

LOL. How about starting by putting an F'ing team on the field? You need a JamesBaker/Raum Emmanuel-like chief of staff. You need a staffed up legislative depr that has deep experience on the Hill. DJT was at the Women's USOpen this weekend instead of Arizona, WV and other swing states where GOP senators are wavering. What the F is that about? Lazy or stupid??

Blogger VFM #7634 July 17, 2017 6:10 PM  

@82 Memer

You do realize that the Dumbocreeps have 48 Senate votes, with enough RINOs to block important things that Dumbocreeps hate (Murkowski, Collins, McCain, Graham, Sasse), right? Or do you even?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 17, 2017 6:20 PM  

Memer is freaking out because TGE isn't playing by the standard crisis management rulebook. Instead an army of meme warriors are devouring CNN while the entire fake news apparatus circles the drain because everyone on the right simply ignores them now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 17, 2017 6:25 PM  

Lazy or stupid?
It seems you're both.
Very low-energy, ineffective troll. 4/10, would not troll agian.

Blogger Elocutioner July 17, 2017 6:47 PM  

Let me spell it out. He's the President. He summoned them to the White House where he laid it all out for them. Getting this bill passed is, literally, Mitch McConnell's job. Why the hell isn't Mitch McConnell traveling to those states? Either Mitch delivers or he's gone. The base has already had enough of Ryan and McConnell, but Trump is patient and thorough. He gave them the rope to hang themselves, we're watching them tie the knots. And if McConnell is expendable as Leader (he is) then ALL of them are. Including Ryan and Ryan's bestest bud Reince. They all hang together.

Or he could be a beta bitch and go to each of the waffling senators and grovel to them and promise them stuff and reward bad behavior rather than use the power of the office because That's Not Who He Is.

Anonymous Memer July 17, 2017 7:13 PM  

"Getting this bill passed is, literally, Mitch McConnell's job"

And there's your problem. Until the president makes it his problem to the bill passed it ain't gonna pass and down goes a major campaign promise. More important, while McConnell may get the blame inside he caucus, it's gonna be Trump who takes the blame in the media and in Middle America: "Trump too week to get bill passed"

The senators that won't vote with their president clearly aren't afraid of or indebted to their president. You think they'll be more indebted AFTER they win on Healthcare??

McConnell and Ryan both Devastated their opponents in their last election. Take a poll in Maine or West Virginia or Nevada or Arizona....Trump isn't exactly blowing off the doors there.

Trump is thorough??? Thorough. He can't even keep his son and son in law out of trouble, let alone get ANY legislation passed with the House and Senate in his hands.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 17, 2017 7:15 PM  

Concern Troll
Trump is thorough??? Thorough

Teh lulz.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: July 17, 2017 8:06 PM  

@81 "Sexual excitation connected with being peed on is perverse. Paying prostitutes to revenge-pee, whether or not you derive pleasure from the act (I assume that was the implication), is just dumb."

Except, if it didn't excite the leftie-libs who dreamed it up, would they have dreamed it up?

Project much?!

Anonymous Urban II July 17, 2017 8:38 PM  

The left distorts everything it touches. It has hijacked "diversity", "love", "hate", and "social justice" and when the left uses these terms it always means the opposite of what it's supposed to. God warned us about this:

How terrible it will be for those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute what is bitter for what is sweet and what is sweet for what is bitter!

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 17, 2017 10:10 PM  

How much are (((Zuckerberg))) and (((Soros))) paying for the turds that are dropped in here these days? Very inferior quality. (((They))) will of course always tell the goyim that the droppings are nuggets of pure gold of course.

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2017 10:34 PM  

Much sadder is the troll who does it for free.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 17, 2017 10:54 PM  

It's like prostitutes vs. sluts. At least the prostitute is getting paid.

Blogger Elocutioner July 17, 2017 11:53 PM  

They're very low quality either way.

Blogger Unknown July 18, 2017 6:42 AM  

Question Four. Does this photograph indicate collusion with the Russians? Is it only collusion when your name is "Trump"? Question Five.

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