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Friday, July 28, 2017

Moderates are worse than useless

When the chips are down and their vote counts, they will ALWAYS find a way to take the enemy's side against their own.
A months-long effort by Senate Republicans to pass health legislation collapsed early Friday after GOP Senator John McCain joined two of his colleagues to block a stripped-down Obamacare repeal bill.

“I regret that our efforts were simply not enough, this time,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on the Senate floor after the vote. “This is clearly a disappointing moment. It’s time to move on,” he added after pulling the bill from the floor.

The decision by McCain to vote no came after weeks of brinkmanship and after his dramatic return from cancer treatment to cast the 50th vote to start debate on the bill earlier this week. The GOP’s ‘skinny’ repeal bill was defeated 49-51, falling just short of the 50 votes needed to advance it. Republicans Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski also voted against it.

It wasn’t immediately clear what the next steps would be for the Republicans. The repeal effort had appeared to collapse several times before, only to be revived. And several Republicans pleaded for their colleagues not to give up, even as President Donald Trump blasted the vote.

“3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down, As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!” he wrote on Twitter at 2:25 am Washington time.

But McConnell has struggled to find a compromise that satisfies conservatives, who have demanded a wholesale repeal of Obamacare, and moderates, who have been unnerved by predictions the bill would significantly boost the ranks of uninsured Americans.
Moderates serve one purpose and one purpose only: to prevent their own side from winning. This is why you should swiftly eject them from any activity that you wish to accomplish anything.

How do you identify the moderate? Easy. He, or as is more often the case, she, will be the one who is always talking about "reaching out" and how the other side will feel or react. Even when moderates are in their putative fire-breathing mode, they will be talking about how the other side's head will explode or some other such nonsense. They never have any interest in actual objectives or how to attain them. Believe it or not, moderates actually take pride in changing sides and preventing their team from winning, because being unreliable and treacherous somehow proves the nobility of their principles and independence of their judgment.

Just look at how Weasel John McCuck was "leading the fight to stop Obamacare" before he was voting with the Democrats to save it. Never, ever, permit a moderate to have a leadership position. And if you can't prevent it, refuse to support the organization or the effort until he is removed.


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123 Comments:

Blogger ECM July 28, 2017 4:15 AM  

Write the White House and tell them that the president needs to nuke Congress' exemption from Obamacare from orbit and also cancel the CSR that keeps the insurance co. vampires solvent, although it's likely the latter is a done deal it probably doesn't hurt to mention it.

Anonymous JAG July 28, 2017 4:25 AM  

At this point most of America simply needs to refuse to participate. Don't buy, and refuse to pay the fines. Make them have to jail 100 million or more people. All we have left is civil disobedience.

Blogger Phillip George July 28, 2017 4:40 AM  

"Uninsured" is not consistent with "in God We Trust"

funny Socialism is now the definition of "conservative"
Remember Davy Crockett didn't want Federal Money to go into Disaster Relief because "it's not your's to give".

May Sodom and Gomorrah be resurrected to judge these "conservatives". They won't have a leg to stand on.
I think Sodom would be disgusted with the DC Swamp lords. At least those Sodomites were only raping strangers; not their constituents.

Blogger tublecane July 28, 2017 4:50 AM  

Juan McCain's brain is controlled by communist mind rays beamed out from Ho Chi Minh City. They set the frequency when they broke him at the Hanoi Hilton, and have been in charge ever since.

So he's not a moderate, but a traitor.

Blogger tublecane July 28, 2017 4:54 AM  

Oh noez, they'll be uninsured! Just like before. Which didn't matter back when conservatives opposed Obamacare in the first place.

Now they care, because once a government program exists it must always exist. Otherwise...um...gibsmedat revolution?

Blogger Sam Gem July 28, 2017 4:54 AM  

I wonder how many deepstate owned Republicans will commit political Seppuku in the act of obstructing Trump.

Anonymous gxg July 28, 2017 4:58 AM  

On the upside, the Dems and moderates now own this steaming pile.

What we need now is a nice Ebola-like epidemic (preferably sexually transmitted) to crash the system and be done with it. If we're lucky, it will kill off millions of rabbits in the process. Viola! Instant premium-reduction.


Anonymous Bobby Farr July 28, 2017 5:02 AM  

Unless the mere act of calling oneself a Republican provides a right side counterweight to left wing views, I don't know under what definition McCain (or Dubya, etc) could be considered a moderate. He has been a militant proponent of liberal interventionism abroad and open borders at home, and now was willing to stand out as one of three Republicans voting to preserve a massive and unconstitutional entitlement. He is not merely a worm voting for leftism because he sees it as the path of least resistance. He is a true believer and has led the charge.

Blogger Troushers July 28, 2017 5:12 AM  

I was sorry to hear that a brain cancer was recently diagnosed with John McCain

Anonymous Ages July 28, 2017 5:26 AM  

McCuck knows he will not be facing another election, so he doesn't even pretend to care.

If Turtleface was a real leader, he would tell these three turncoats to leave the GOP and blast them publicly. That's how the Dems keep ranks.

Anonymous JAG July 28, 2017 5:38 AM  

I must admit that I am really frustrated right now even though I expected as much from the Washington Generals. There's no point in voting for either party. Guess I just vote for the Trumps and Kid Rocks from here on out. Any lawyer or career politician is an automatic no vote regardless of affiliation.

Blogger Lovekraft July 28, 2017 6:10 AM  

My demand now, after years of looking for common ground, is to require any one claiming to be part of the alt-right, to describe in detail the struggles he/she has had to overcome.

And, failing that, to require said person to undergo some sort of gruelling test to prove their merit. A test that would likely void a high majority of applicants.

Simply put, the world gives you struggle, but it's your relationship with Jesus Christ and the Almighty that determines how far one will go.

Blogger Lovekraft July 28, 2017 6:11 AM  

@11 Jag:

speaking of Kid Rock, I thought yesterday how awesome it would be if that Negan guy from Walking Dead was to run. With the other side presenting some pudgy, frumpy New York tribesman.

OpenID aew51183 July 28, 2017 6:13 AM  

I honestly still think this is a master-stroke on the God Emperor's part:

1 - He outlines who the cucks are to the base, leaving them exposed and highlighting the importance of pro-Trump candidates in primaries, 2018, and in the case of McCain, the special election when satan calls him to hell within the next 12-18 months.

2 - He defuses the ability of democrats to create any urgency around "saving healthcare" in the mid-terms, depressing turnout further.

Any republican who wants to win now has targets to openly bash and mock on the RNC side to show loyalty to Trump, and the Democrats are a non-issue as the bulk of the states up in the senate are aging democrat seats in Trump states.

Blogger Lovekraft July 28, 2017 6:16 AM  

VD: would like your take on U.S. House Oversight Committee taking on campus safespacesnowflake epidemic.

I found it telling: typical 'administrators' decrying white supremacy!, Carolla and Shapiro as voices of reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxYCe3wZ6I

OpenID aew51183 July 28, 2017 6:31 AM  

@15

That committee meeting locks why I will never vote for a minority democrat.

Blogger Stilicho July 28, 2017 6:43 AM  

Remember the bad old days of the 80s? The 90s? Even as recently as 2009? You know back when no one had health insurance, no one could get medical care, and the poor were dying in the streets from the lack?

Yeah, me too...

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2017 6:46 AM  

At least McCain is temporary problem.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 28, 2017 6:50 AM  

Wondering if there is a provision in AZ for the governor or state legislature to remove McCain for being unfit to serve due to his brain tumor. It would be entertaining to see McCain being pushed out of office through the very methods he and the Dems are attempting to use against the G-E.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 28, 2017 6:57 AM  

Ages wrote:McCuck knows he will not be facing another election, so he doesn't even pretend to care.

If Turtleface was a real leader, he would tell these three turncoats to leave the GOP and blast them publicly. That's how the Dems keep ranks.


Make no mistake, turtleface was on board with this move and likely directed those senators to vote against the bill. The Republicans know how to deal with members who buck leadership. They pull all campaign funds and support primary opponents. Notice that has never happened to Snow, Collins, and McCain despite voting against the majority of the party for years. Leadership has been using them as their secret trump cards against the base.

Anonymous McCain: NVA's top Ace July 28, 2017 7:00 AM  

That poor cancer, having to share the same body with McCain! Hang in there little buddy.

Blogger Skyler the Weird July 28, 2017 7:01 AM  

Time for the God Emperor to revive ABSCAM.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 28, 2017 7:12 AM  

If anybody ever deserved the 10th circle of Hell, it's McCain.

As for the women...Milgram's experiment settled that. Women do as they're told, even if it's just the TV doing the telling.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid July 28, 2017 7:18 AM  

Those three Republicans finally managed to conserve something: Obamacare!

In truth, this "aww, shucks, we failed by one vote" nonsense is the worst kind of kabuki. It usually means a few took the flak and gave 10 others cover to cast "repeal" votes to fool the rubes back home.

Anonymous Avalanche July 28, 2017 7:25 AM  

@24 "to fool the rubes back home."

And alas, the rubes WILL be fooled.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2017 7:29 AM  

The amazing thing thing is that Turtleman doesn't think we can recognize Failure Theater at this point.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 28, 2017 7:31 AM  

The entire process of Obamacare repeal in Congress this year has been a colossal shitshow.

Blogger Jack Ward July 28, 2017 7:34 AM  

Time to vote out ALL repugs in the primaries. Maybe some acknowledged Alt Right politicians can run? Short of extreme civil disobedience or outright armed revolt whats left?
The Founders looked to the future and made sure we knew what had to be done when governmental leadership, if you can call it leadership, runs so amok.

Anonymous DJF July 28, 2017 7:37 AM  

The problem with our moderates is that they are not moderates, they are radicals pretending to be moderates

They want to move millions and even billions to other countries

They want to turn manufacturing over to Communist China

They want to fight wars around the world to push their agendas

They want to bail out the rich while proclaiming the “Free Market”

They want to force change on society most fundamental aspects

They want a system of victim hood to rule over the people

Etc etc.

Blogger Nate July 28, 2017 7:48 AM  

"John... you're dying. Is there anything you want to do in your last few days?"


"Why yes... yes there is... I wanna feel the joy of screwing over my own people just one more time."

Anonymous simplytimothy July 28, 2017 8:14 AM  

Trump has done wonders exposing these liars. This is war.

Blogger Cloom Glue July 28, 2017 8:18 AM  

Cernovich is not a moderate in one or maybe two issues. I see how a potential moderate could have the cover of punching hard, working for the team, while doing pre-election positioning. We don't punch right, but am saying I see how they grow in our midst. Seeing them "reach out" is an identifier, except maybe not until after they get embedded and are difficult to remove.

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2017 8:25 AM  

Believe it or not, moderates actually take pride in changing sides and preventing their team from winning, because being unreliable and treacherous somehow proves the nobility of their principles and independence of their judgment.

It's completely believable. But why do they do this?

There's an explanation of active malice, of course, but personally that can't explain every moderate. For others not acting out of malice, is it out of a desire to be seen as "fair and balanced"? And if so, why?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 28, 2017 8:35 AM  

"Just look at how Weasel John McCuck was "leading the fight to stop Obamacare" before he was voting with the Democrats to save it."

It's almost as if the whole thing was a charade, or something.

"We really want to repeal Obamacare, it's just that Obama and those pesky Democrats are stopping us!"

Get control of House, Senate, and Presidency. "Well, we didn't want to repeal it it quite that way. Maybe a different way. No, not that way either. Let's think about it some more."

Not really convincing.

Blogger Stilicho July 28, 2017 8:38 AM  

@33 MPAI. MMAI. See also r/K theory (rabbits can't help themselves).

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 28, 2017 8:50 AM  

It's completely believable. But why do they do this?

Because centrist pundits praise them for it

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan July 28, 2017 8:57 AM  

"Trump has done wonders exposing these liars. This is war."

Thread win.

I have some friends on the inside of the healthcare industry. They noted that just the fact that Trump got Obamacare within a few measly votes of repeal after only days in office is a Herculean effort beyond words. Does anyone think that he's not going to eventually kill it?

This would make a good meme... a caricature of Trump paraphrasing Old Hickory...

"Obamacare is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!"

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 8:57 AM  

John McCain should have died in Hanoi.

it would have saved us a lot of trouble.

and the Communists could honor their own.

Blogger Nate July 28, 2017 8:58 AM  

John john john...

Time to go die now.

Blogger rumpole5 July 28, 2017 9:00 AM  

With the internet available it is not difficult to find out who is running against a Cuck republican in her primary and then send thatcopposing candidate a contribution. The drift toward a more and more right-ward government has been a long process, but with the development of the alt-right voices I believe that there is greater reason to hope that Western Civilization will survive than there has been in some time.

Blogger Charles Martel July 28, 2017 9:01 AM  

"Moderates serve one purpose and one purpose only: to prevent their own side from winning."

Precisely. They're showing their true colours.

Blogger Salt July 28, 2017 9:04 AM  

Cancer McCain, Arizona's Man Against the People

Anonymous EastCA July 28, 2017 9:09 AM  

Here's the problem: The leader of the Republican Party, Trump, didn't possess the political capital to push his agenda. It's that simple. And this was a function of Trump not possessing the support of enough Americans nor having the political acumen to move the bill.

However, this also goes back to the problems with candidates who make promises about policy without understanding the policy nor caring whether their promises are remotely possible alternatives.

Finally, let's face it: There simply wasn't a bill on the table that helped anyone where healthcare was concerned.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 28, 2017 9:16 AM  

Ryan and McConnell are just as culpable as the traitor McCain. A serious political party would replace both immediately. As it stands...

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2017 9:23 AM  

@35. Stilicho
MPAI. MMAI. See also r/K theory (rabbits can't help themselves).

Those are the reliable predictors, yes, but I'm asking what's the emotional reason behind why they might believe what they're doing is right -- and from that, what led them to that emotional decision?

After all, people who are idiots don't just buy lotto tickets randomly. They buy them because they think if they play long enough they're going to be a lucky winner, and being a lucky winner is addicting.

But in addition...
@36. Josh (the gayest thing here)
Because centrist pundits praise them for it

...this plus the rabbit groupthink behavior are likely the explanation. That for some reason, the moderates implicitly identify with "centrists" rather than whatever organization they purportedly are moderates of. What leads them to identify with them however? Is it because like calls to like, rabbit calls to rabbit? Or did culture instill in them first a self-identity as a "non-extremist", and after time their moderateness solidified into being rabbits?

Not all rabbits are moderates... right?

Blogger tz July 28, 2017 9:24 AM  

The RNC occasionally calls me and says Trump wants me to contribute. I say call back AFTER Obamacare is repealed.

Blogger bosscauser July 28, 2017 9:27 AM  

I suppose boycott ObamaCare is too complicated?
Lol. They can't afford to pay for it and are too chicken shit to forget about it... people are stupid sheep...

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous EastCA July 28, 2017 9:29 AM  

"Ryan and McConnell are just as culpable as the traitor McCain. A serious political party would replace both immediately. As it stands..."

McConnell more than Ryan. Ryan got a bill passed in the House that nearly every GOP member in the Senate that supported Repeal would have liked to have seen passed.

The Senate, however, is a more moderate body for obvious reasons. It was a heavier political lift. McConnell and his leadership should have been working on a sustainable Senate healthcare package a long time ago. But he didn't.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 28, 2017 9:33 AM  

We knew Murkowski was a Socialist when Alaska primaried her and she ran a write in campaign and won with Deep State (Iron Triangle) backing.

Anonymous Laz July 28, 2017 9:35 AM  

"But why do they do this?" Because they all have pizzas in the closet.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 28, 2017 9:39 AM  

McCain is a war mongering personification of evil. He cannot die soon enough.

Anonymous Han Solo July 28, 2017 9:47 AM  

They should pass their measures ONE at a time. Dare McUseless to vote against the repeal of the individual mandate. Call it the "poor people relief from harmful taxes act", and see if he can vote against that.

Do the same for each of the bills provisions, give each one a "you hate babies if you vote against it name" and pass them one at a time.

Blogger Elocutioner July 28, 2017 9:47 AM  

After saying he wouldn't, McConnell fully restored Murkowski's tenure (i.e. committee assignments) as a Republican after running her "successful" write-in campaign against the actual Republican in the general. He also moved heaven and earth to get Thad Cochran re-elected in MS versus the actual conservative McDaniel who won the first round in the primaries. Mitch is near the epicenter of the swamp.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan July 28, 2017 9:50 AM  

"And this was a function of Trump not possessing the support of enough Americans..."

This is absolutely false. What, 2/3 of Americans would drop Obamacare if they had the option?

And as far as constituents and democracy, well who do you think elects John McCuck-McCrazy? Certainly not the people of Arizona. Go down there and try and find someone... somewhere... anywhere... who has ever actually voted for the guy. My friends in the Phoenix area have done so, scientifically even, with no success. He's a political product of the CFR/Trilateral Commission/Bildergerg Group - nothing more.

Trump has failed to deal with the weasels in his own party and this has been his singular failure in the entire endeavor so far.

Blogger Elocutioner July 28, 2017 9:54 AM  

@19 aew51183 It was the predictable outcome of 7 years of politicians being bought off and lying, which is why GE has been doing the positioning he has. He sets up win-win scenarios. It would have been a better win to get the repeal but now the rot and corruption is exposed to the daylight. Now we can more weapons to expel the moderates.

It's amusing that the leftist bloggers are trying to spin this as a Trump failure.

Blogger Cecil Henry July 28, 2017 9:55 AM  

The 'moderates' know who they can take for granted: YOU.

In fact you are enemy they wish to control--- and they reach out to others to consolidate their power and offset YOUR influence.

Despicable people.

The worst enemies of the Bolsheviks was the Mensheviks!!!



It is a habit of tyrants never to like anyone who has a spirit of dignity and independence.

The tyrant claims a monopoly of such qualities for himself; he feels that anybody who asserts a rival dignity, or acts with independence, is threatening his own superiority and the despotic power of his tyranny; he hates him accordingly as a subverter of his own authority.

It is also a habit of tyrants to prefer the company of aliens to that of citizens at table and in society; citizens, they feel,
are enemies, but aliens will offer no opposition.”

Aristotle

https://i.imgur.com/LYSWBPy.jpg

Anonymous 11B July 28, 2017 9:57 AM  

I must admit that I am really frustrated right now even though I expected as much from the Washington Generals. There's no point in voting for either party. Guess I just vote for the Trumps and Kid Rocks from here on out. Any lawyer or career politician is an automatic no vote regardless of affiliation.

Don't get too down. I saw a tweet earlier today from Bill Mitchell that I like. He wrote that this vote shows we need fewer democrats and better republicans.

Wherever you live do your part by trying to get the best republicans selected in the primaries. We trumped the GOP with Trump. Now is the time to repeat that process in every congressional district and senate race.

Anonymous Azimus July 28, 2017 9:57 AM  

I guess it was not a great idea to wait til the useless neocon returned...

...also, are any democrats ever called "moderates?" It seems like they're always republicans...

Anonymous Didas Kalos July 28, 2017 10:02 AM  

I thank God that Jesus Christ was not a moderate!!

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 10:15 AM  

43. EastCA July 28, 2017 9:09 AM
Finally, let's face it: There simply wasn't a bill on the table that helped anyone where healthcare was concerned.



the Republicans passed repeal numerous times *when Obama was president* and they knew it would be veto'd.

now they refuse to pass the same bill they voted FOR last year.

because they are treasonous pieces of shit.

just like you.


YH2GB

truly embarrassing that McCain was the Republican nominee just a few cycles ago.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros July 28, 2017 10:16 AM  

From Twitter, @Pinboard

There’s a small part of John McCain that I admire, but they’re trying to kill it with radiation

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2017 10:26 AM  

also, are any democrats ever called "moderates?"

No, that's part of the moderate lie; it only works in one direction. There are Democrats who lean more conservative than others on particular issues like guns, but when it comes to big inter-party struggles where the whole party's reputation and electoral health is at stake, they all fall in line.

As I understand it, McConnell could yank any chairmanships and other perks from these three traitors. That's probably what a Democrat in his position would do. Actually, Democrats who acted like them never would have gotten leadership positions in the first place -- never would have made it to the Senate.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2017 10:34 AM  

Something to keep in mind: McCain didn't just vote against it. He also let the Republicans think he might vote for it, so they would bring it to a vote and have to eat the failure. After a long day of Republican winning and Democrats scrambling to cover their asses, he managed to end the day with one thing the Republicans could be beaten up with the next day. Now the media can shout about Obamacare instead of Pakistani spies working for the DNC.

He could have gone to the leadership and said, "Look, I don't think this bill is good, and I have two others with me, so this isn't gonna pass. You need to delay it, and maybe we can make it better so we can support it." Instead, he stuck the football out there like Lucy, let Pence and others come around trying to secure his vote, and then went over to the Democrats afterwards and said, "Man, did you see the way I burned those suckers again? They'll never learn, will they?"

McCain reminds me of Pope Frank. He doesn't just prefer the adulation of the other side; he actively hates the people whose side he's supposed to be on.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 10:42 AM  

exactly.

this is why we hate him.

Blogger Silly but True July 28, 2017 10:43 AM  

The problem was Republicans allowed both the Deep State and Democrats to win the rhetorical battle because there was no competent leader.

The OMB is supposed to rate legislation on tge fiscal impacts. WTF does it have any business on its own to speculate (wildly even) on the socio-economic and cultural outcomes of policy decisions such as individual mandate or not? It doesn't except for the fact that its filled with secret kings who want to be game-changers in the national debate.

OMB should have been very narrow scoring instructions and the "freedom law" should have been the initial choice sold.

The bottom line is this: they screwed up simply selling getting rid of the most hated provision of ACA.

Blogger Chiva July 28, 2017 10:44 AM  

McCain is showing his true colors. A vindictive little shyte.

As Cail said in comment @63 McCain truly hates the people he is supposed to stand with.

Anonymous EastCA July 28, 2017 10:45 AM  

"the Republicans passed repeal numerous times *when Obama was president* and they knew it would be veto'd."

This was a result of short term thinking and lack of leadership. In all these repeal bills they passed knowing they would not become law, they never presented an alternative healthcare policy that would satisfy what their constituents said they wanted: Lower premiums, coverage for pre existing conditions, etc. The GOP simply never prepared for what they said they wanted.

"because they are treasonous pieces of shit.

just like you."

I don't think you understand what Treasonous means.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 11:01 AM  

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/treason?s=t

Anonymous Viper 23 July 28, 2017 11:09 AM  

A good meme of the day would be this.
https://kek.gg/i/4nGFnD.png
We need to start calling it Republicare and linking the Republicans to it.

Blogger tz July 28, 2017 11:10 AM  

Survivalblog.com editors comment today was from H. L. Menken:
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

Blogger Just Mark July 28, 2017 11:10 AM  

Time to replace the Repeglicans. Just point out who they are snowballing with and ask them what various organizations are getting from the funds they are felching. That should do the trick.

Blogger centexguy July 28, 2017 11:11 AM  

Scott Adams thinks this is a good thing for Trump. He's now free to advance a totally new plan. Trump didn't bring up the Australian healthcare system for no reason a few months ago. As Scott Adams says, Trump is a systems thinker, not a goals thinker, so this failure takes healthcare out of the hands of Congress and allows Trump to take control of it.

Blogger Matthew July 28, 2017 11:13 AM  

"let's face it" is a shill tell.

EastCA is a liar, and probably also a gay.

Blogger Ingot9455 July 28, 2017 11:15 AM  

After all this, it's good to remember that Obamacare is about to enter the beginning of its critical failure stages. The slush-fund rescue money that Obama had been paying to the insurance companies has now been revealed to be illegal and not appropriated, as it was warned all along. When those payments are stopped, Anthem and the other companies will remove Obamacare plans from various locations. When those locations have no Obamacare plans available, residents will be able to buy any insurance they want without penalty.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2017 11:15 AM  

Viper 23 wrote:We need to start calling it Republicare and linking the Republicans to it.
As far as I'm concerned, it's now McCainCare.

Blogger rcocean July 28, 2017 11:23 AM  

Vox's description of a moderate describes almost every writer at National Review and the Weekly Standard. Not to mention cucks like Rod Drehner and Ross Dounut at the NYT.

Anonymous Viper 23 July 28, 2017 11:24 AM  

Best to paint all Republicans with it.
Then the ones who don't want to own it have to find a way to make others toe the line.
This is a failure of Republicans as a whole anyways.

Blogger rcocean July 28, 2017 11:24 AM  

And stop attacking "the Congress" for the betrayal - it was the SENATE.

Blogger Sheila4g July 28, 2017 11:25 AM  

@57 11B: "Don't get too down. I saw a tweet earlier today from Bill Mitchell that I like. He wrote that this vote shows we need fewer democrats and better republicans."

And even here at Vox, we see people who are convinced we can still somehow vote our way out of this. That if the people of Arizona only knew just what McCain really thought of them, they'd stop voting for him en mass. Because people are basically good, or something. Uh, no. There's an expression of Vox's that explains almost everything; perhaps you've seen it here before: MPAI. But then I repeat myself.

Anonymous johnc July 28, 2017 11:27 AM  

If MPAI -- and they are -- then democracy is a dumb idea.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2017 11:33 AM  

@79 Sheila4g
Well... we did get Trump.

11B is right. Primary out the RINOs/GOPe and toss out more Democrats. As I've said before, Republicans don't in fact have full control of the Senate with a measly margin of 2. Too many RINOs.

Once several Democrats get voted out in 2018 in Trump states, widening the R margin enough to account for the RINOs, Obamacare repeal should actually be doable.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 28, 2017 11:48 AM  

A true Conservative from the National Review.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 28, 2017 11:53 AM  

Splitter strategy conservative treehouse.

Google that and discover just how we end up with Bush, Romney, McCain, etc. Trump is our first.candidate to beat them at the game.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 12:08 PM  

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/22/tripwire-alert-evidence-now-exists-to-show-benefit-of-gope-road-mapped-splitter-strategy/


they were wrong in their prediction that Hillary would be forced out ( that's what you get for misunderestimating the power of Arkancide ) but that is a very succinct explanation of the type of games that the fags in the GOP are playing.

that certainly would explain how McAmnesty won the nomination.

Blogger Lew Rand July 28, 2017 12:10 PM  

As stated above, I know of only one person from AZ that voted for McCain.

And she is hardcore Big Government can save us Democrat. I assume quite a few voted on party lines but I'm not sure they voted for McCain.

But yes, he still kept winning.

Anonymous c matt July 28, 2017 12:20 PM  

they will be talking about how the other side's head will explode

Isn't that the goal?!?

Blogger DonReynolds July 28, 2017 12:20 PM  

Obama spent YEARS passing out thousands of exemptions to the requirements of Obamacare for his friends and would-be friends. President Trump simply needs to issue one more exemption that would exempt everyone else and most of the Obamacare teeth would be pulled. While we had all rather see a repeal of this odious Obamacare act, along with it's 22 new Federal taxes, at least Donald Trump would prevail where Republicans in Congress had failed. Yes, he would get all the credit and all the blame....but he would anyway, no matter how it happens.

Be Bold and Strike While the Iron is Hot.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 12:23 PM  

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/28/john-mccain-casts-legacy-vote-against-american-people-votes-to-continue-obamacare/#more-136397

"Additionally, it should be noted for an accurate record that Nevada Republican Senator Dean Heller delayed his own roll call vote, skipped his name when called, until he was able to see that McCain cast the vote against America.

When Heller was safe – as in: able to hide his malicious intent and vote “aye” at the conclusion of the roll- he gave the appearance of support. A very typical albeit Machiavellian maneuver, customarily subtle and historically utilized by Senator Ted Cruz with few paying attention."

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2017 12:26 PM  

I know McStain can't be a Gamma considering his marital history, but I must say this has to be the most Gamma thing he has ever done. At death's door, and rather than trying to get right with his God he decides to screw over the American people in one of the worst ways possible.

@Lew Rand

Well, Murkowski is in the Senate thanks to Democrat votes. In McStain's case, I suspect it's Democrats plus a lot of clueless oldsters still living in the 1950s and dutifully listening to the Fake News Media.

Blogger William Meisheid July 28, 2017 12:27 PM  

Interesting article on the Frontpage site (http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267410/trump-effect-mark-tapson) about a new documentary produced, directed and edited by Agustin Blazquez called The Trump Effect: Deprogramming the American Mind

“The Trump effect,” Jarvik begins, “is the deprogramming of the American mind, and Trump is the Deprogrammer-in-Chief.” Since the traumatic terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Jarvik notes, “Americans have somehow been programmed, indoctrinated, sort of fed a lot of fantasy ideology, whether it’s in schools, whether in the media, whether in politics,” and the brainwashing and fear induced by this PC totalitarianism is similar to being immersed in a cult. The process of breaking free from its grip is not unlike the process whereby a cult follower is deprogrammed.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 28, 2017 12:31 PM  

Getting rid of GOPe politicians during primaries hasn't been an effective strategy. There just aren't enough guys like Trump - rich, charismatic, famous, right wing and interested in running for office. Without all these qualities, it is almost impossible to overcome the corrupt local party machine.

The one institution that could be taken over by the right is the military. Eight years is a long enough time for Trump to purge the leadership structure, which could in turn encourage those on the far right to enter at the lower levels. Best case scenario you then get 1930s Japan where politicians who don't play ball get assassinated. At the very least, it removes most tools of violent coercion from whatever far left character next gets in office if the demographic problem isn't addressed.

Blogger Lazarus July 28, 2017 12:34 PM  


ZH headline

Gauntlet Thrown: House Judiciary Demands Special Counsel To Investigate Comey, Lynch, And Clinton

Blogger DonReynolds July 28, 2017 12:43 PM  

@79 Sheila4g
"And even here at Vox, we see people who are convinced we can still somehow vote our way out of this. That if the people of Arizona only knew just what McCain really thought of them, they'd stop voting for him en mass."

The PEOPLE of Arizona are not the problem. The native Arizonan is a lot like the native Floridian and the native Virginian. These are the three most overwhelmed states when it comes to in-migration from other states. Virginia is flooded by Yankee Liberals, moving in to be closer to Washington, DC and jobs in government, etc etc. Florida and Arizona is flooded with Yankee liberals (and Liberal California runaways), who are mostly the younger retirees. In all three states, the in-migration has tipped the scales against the natives. They have lost control of their state.

There is some hope. The natives are spread all over the state and the Yankee Liberals tend to bunch up in the urban areas, so the natives tend to keep control of their state legislatures, but the Congressional Delegation and the Governor are going to be owned by the outsiders and their Yankee (out of state) money.

My own hometown of Wilmington, North Carolina, was discovered by Yankees, who moved into the city in great numbers. When I returned in 1989, neither the mayor, or the city council, or the city planning commission had even ONE SINGLE native. Many of the natives of the city had been pushed by Yankee taxes and regulations, Yankee money bidding up the price of real estate, until many of the natives were pushed into adjacent counties and more rural communities. This is what invasion and displacement looks like on a smaller scale and it has happened in Virginia, Florida, and Arizona, to the point where it is nearly complete.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2017 1:02 PM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2017 1:03 PM  

@93 DonReynolds

Yeah. Arizona, Georgia, and Texas went for Trump by ominously smaller margins than they voted GOP in past presidential elections. I think Trump took Florida and North Carolina only because their right-wing voters made da-n sure they got out and voted. States like Virginia and Colorado are flat-out gone already.

Blogger Nakota Publishing July 28, 2017 1:07 PM  

McCain needs to ride off into the sunset and die.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros July 28, 2017 1:08 PM  

" 'they will be talking about how the other side's head will explode'

Isn't that the goal?!?"

They SHOULD be focusing on what gets their OWN side fired up.
The enemy's heads exploding is the cherry on top of getting your way.

Blogger lowercaseb July 28, 2017 1:11 PM  

...and yet, they can vote in lockstep to push us toward a new cold war with the Russians and embarrass the president.

I don't have english words that can express my disgust with my own party.

Anonymous Andy Ninepin July 28, 2017 1:12 PM  

"States like Virginia and Colorado are flat-out gone already."

You bet they are! Texas, AZ and NM are the next ones to be near guaranteed Blue States. Nevada Too.

But now, given the growing dislike of and incompetence being showed by Trump and the GOP, we can get ready to witness a blow out in the 2018 general elections for Congress. So basically, Trump has about six months before anything can get done.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 1:14 PM  

99. Andy Ninepin July 28, 2017 1:12 PM
Trump has about six months before anything can get done.



ninepin, eh?

so that's how many bowling pins McCain can put up your ass before you beg for mercy?

Blogger Silly but True July 28, 2017 1:17 PM  

"Trump has about six months before anything can get done."

You thought his ceiling was 15%, right? No way he gets above 20%.

Blogger DonReynolds July 28, 2017 1:17 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:@93 DonReynolds

Yeah. Arizona, Georgia, and Texas went for Trump by ominously smaller margins than they voted GOP in past presidential elections. I think Trump took Florida and North Carolina only because voters in the right made da-n sure they got out and voted. States like Virginia and Colorado are flat-out gone already.


Absolutely, VFM.
Virginia, Florida, and Arizona have been the hardest hit by Yankee carpetbaggers (there, I said it), but there are other states that are on that list too. You mentioned Colorado, which is really sad. Texas is almost as bad with carpetbaggers....and Tennessee, and Arkansas, and Missouri.

The Californians are flooding into certain states to get away from the Mexican tidal wave. The Yankee invaders are simply tired of the snow and ice and cold.....and the fact that the Negro migration and illegal aliens and Muslim "refugees" have turned all their major cities into hell-holes of filth and crime.

The problem is not that the Sun Belt is so nice....with very mild (or non-existent) winters and friendly people and a favorable regulatory environment. All of these things are true, but they have ALWAYS been true. What has changed to drive the Yankee migration is the abject destruction of cities in Yankee states and the West Coast by the Turd World foreigners and Negroes.

States with a relatively small population, like Colorado, Arizona, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, are rather vulnerable to in-migration, because it does not take many to tip the political scales between Liberal and Conservative. After all, the invaders do not need to create a new party to take over, they only need to cast the deciding vote in our system of government.

Anonymous Battlefrog July 28, 2017 1:36 PM  

Scott Adams gives McCain the "hero" label he craves: http://archive.is/blI31

No, it is not satire. His recent periscope makes that obvious.

Blogger Sheila4g July 28, 2017 1:45 PM  

@102 Don Reynolds: Point taken. I'm well acquainted with the disaster that mass migration within the US has been, and Texas tomorrow is the California of today. However, I would hesitate to attribute McCain and his like's repeated re-election solely to foreigners and domestic interlopers and/or boomers. As everywhere dealing with the human condition, MPAI applies.

Anonymous Pennywise July 28, 2017 1:51 PM  

centexguy...

"Scott Adams thinks this is a good thing for Trump. He's now free to advance a totally new plan."

Cail...

"He could have gone to the leadership and said, "Look, I don't think this bill is good, and I have two others with me, so this isn't gonna pass. You need to delay it, and maybe we can make it better so we can support it."

Republicans have had several years to come up with a viable alternative. Moreover, Trump is going to be dealing with other things than health care reform.

In the end, moderates are key to any revolution or movement. Lose them, and this notion that the Alt Right is inevitable blows up.

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2017 1:51 PM  

@90. William Meisheid
Since the traumatic terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001[...]

This guy clearly has no idea what the hell is going on. PC totalitarianism has been germinating ever since PC was introduced LONG before 9/11. Social Justice behavior didn't just suddenly start getting programmed after 9/11, that garbage was incubating at least since the 90s with the ""self-esteem"" movement that was going through public schools, and even before that, cultural marxism was infiltrating.

Blogger Otto Lamp July 28, 2017 2:13 PM  

I hate to give Wikipedia props, but here is a line from its entry on Turncoat:

For example, John McCain "turned" his back on the voters who put him in office, and saved that pitiful piece of legislation known as Obamacare.

Turncoat McCain--fits.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 28, 2017 2:16 PM  

Poundfoolish

Blogger Were-Puppy July 28, 2017 2:18 PM  

I just saw a meme
We don't have a cure for cancer
but cancer has a cure for John McCain

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2017 2:23 PM  

However, I would hesitate to attribute McCain and his like's repeated re-election solely to foreigners and domestic interlopers and/or boomers.

Agreed. The simple fact is that many, many conservatives/Republicans, though they may be unhappy with McCain's legislative betrayals, instinctively respect the man because "war hero." That's hard for a lot of people to get past, especially the older set. Bashing soldiers is what dirty hippies do, not us!

Blogger Lew Rand July 28, 2017 2:27 PM  

If Trump were truly mad at this, he would find a way to de-classify McCain's war record. It would be interesting reading.

And would probably cause heads to explode as everyone and their mother is praising McCain's 'heroism' right now.

Trying to fix the ACA before it exploded was always a chancy beast at best. Just like getting rid of the Fed may not save the economy and would cause the blame to fall on those that ended it, "fixing" the ACA would cause the inevitable failure to fall squarely on Trump (and maybe a little on the Republicans).

So I guess by my own logic, McStain may have saved Trump, but I doubt he did it for him.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2017 2:44 PM  

PC totalitarianism has been germinating ever since PC was introduced LONG before 9/11.

I had the same thought. But he may have a point in that, after 9/11, PC became more ubiquitous and restrictive. Conservatives had their own PC rules regarding opinions about the wars and who was in the Axis of Evil and who were our wonderful allies in the Religion of Peace. There was the Patriot Act, passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. Both sides came to agree more on the limits of acceptable thought.

So yeah, it didn't start then, but it might have reached a new level then.

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2017 2:53 PM  

@Cail Corishev
So yeah, it didn't start then, but it might have reached a new level then.

While what you said is true, the context in which he mentioned 9/11 was: Since the traumatic terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Jarvik notes, “Americans have somehow been programmed, indoctrinated, sort of fed a lot of fantasy ideology, whether it’s in schools, whether in the media, whether in politics,”

Note, programmed, indoctrinated. He did not describe it as PC "expressing itself" or "reaching a new low". After 9/11 they were being taught this, according to Jarvik, whereas before it just somehow wasn't a thing.

Also, note the SOMEHOW BEEN programmed, indoctrinated[...]. It's pretty clear to anyone with eyes how people have been inculcated with PC nonsense. He just doesn't want to follow the logical steps just yet as to where it came from.

Blogger Ceerilan July 28, 2017 3:49 PM  

Remember, John McCain was the media's favorite Republican up until the time he ran for President of the US. Then he suddenly became a violent extremist. After the election, it was found out, of course that he was a moderate all along.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 28, 2017 3:51 PM  

Scott Adams thinks this is a good thing for Trump. He's now free to advance a totally new plan. Trump didn't bring up the Australian healthcare system for no reason a few months ago. As Scott Adams says, Trump is a systems thinker, not a goals thinker, so this failure takes healthcare out of the hands of Congress and allows Trump to take control of it.

From IG:


Medicare, administered by the federal government, is the publicly funded universal health care system in Australia which was instituted in 1984. It coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 2% Medicare levy[1] (with exceptions for low-income earners), with the balance being provided by government from general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance. As well as Medicare, there is a separate Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme also funded by the federal government which considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 28, 2017 4:02 PM  

And no, I don't think Trump is going to propose an Australian style universal healthcare system.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2017 4:08 PM  

He just doesn't want to follow the logical steps just yet as to where it came from.

Yeah, you can't talk about the indoctrination very long without getting into a particular topic, or avoiding that by talking about it in the passive voice like it just happened, which is what he does. But he still has to give some kind of reason or starting point for it, so....hey, 9/11!

I started watching it, and about 10 minutes in he suggests that the emotional impact of 9/11 made people retreat from reality, without going into any details except to say that Bush and Obama ran with that. So he doesn't have to blame anyone in particular; we just all kinda did it to ourselves because we were shellshocked.

Later he mentions Bloom's Closing of the American Mind and how the universities were going PC already in the 1960s and were dominated by it by the late 1980s. So he knows it didn't start with 9/11, but he glosses over that pretty quickly. He talks about the cult mentality and how anyone who diverges from the party line is destroyed; but as far as where it came from, he says, "How those decisions are made, and who is in the center, are still a mystery to me."

So he doesn't want to look at that. It happened, and now Trump is waking us up from it, and that's as much reality as we need.

Anonymous Ages July 28, 2017 4:21 PM  

"Trump has done wonders exposing these liars. This is war."

I mean, that's great and all, but Obamacare marches on. Who cares if these people are "exposed"? Who's going to stop it? Everyone knows what kind of man McCain is, ever since he refused to fight Obama in 2008 because "muh black skin."

Face it, Krauthammar was right when he said a few months ago with resignation, "Within 10 years we are going to have a single-payer system." And really, it's been a long time coming. Perhaps it was inevitable ever since corporations started offering insurance to employees, and it became thought of as an entitlement: first for employed people, now for everyone.

Once you give the gibs, you can't take them back.

Anonymous Ages July 28, 2017 4:27 PM  

"This is what invasion and displacement looks like on a smaller scale and it has happened in Virginia, Florida, and Arizona, to the point where it is nearly complete."

The Union was a mistake. More and more I truly believe that.

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2017 5:39 PM  

@117. Cail Corishev

Agreed. And I'll have to revise my statement from "This guy clearly has no idea what the hell is going on" to "This guy almost has an idea what's going on, but he doesn't want to see all of it because it might be unpleasant to consider."

Blogger Ned July 28, 2017 10:31 PM  

Meanwhile, McCuck is getting his medical treatment from Mayo Clinic, instead of from the VA hospital he claims has been fixed.

Anonymous 0007 July 28, 2017 11:24 PM  

@121
And his bills there are being paid by the taxpayers that he despises.

Blogger Abdul July 29, 2017 12:11 AM  

@106 I read "Unpacking White Privleige" on an anarchist BBS in 1989, which oddly was just like /leftypol/ today (with less phreaking and carding) Same reaction as I have today: malarkey.

This year feels like a replay of 1994, sans hot blonde girlfriend (although the year isn't over).

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