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Thursday, July 06, 2017

The "Judeo-Christian" fraud

Needless to say, Diasporans like the Littlest Chickenhawk push it every chance they get, because they are shameless liars.
Tariq Nasheed@tariqnasheed
Trump did a speech in Poland and spoke about Western values. Now we all know what "Western" is a code word for, don't we?

Ben Shapiro‏@benshapir
Yes, "Judeo-Christian." You know, the civilization that protects your freedoms.

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
"Judeo-Christian" civilization does not exist. There is only Christian civilization, you cowardly fraud. "Judeo-Christian" is anti-semitic.
If you happen doubt my observation that "Judeo-Christian values" is a complete 20th century fraud, have a look at the Google NGram below. There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christianity" or "Judeo-Christian civilization" or "Judeo-Christian values". You can make a far better case for Islamo-Christian civilization despite the exaggerations that surround the medieval paradise of al-Andalus. Judeo-Christianity does not exist. It never existed. It does not "bless Israel" and it is nothing more than post-Holocaust propaganda directed against Americans. And you will find absolutely ZERO historical references to it in the Western civilization known as Christendom.


Want to see what decades of relentless propaganda looks like? Look at the graph of "Christendom" vs "Judeo-Christian" since 1940. Or, better yet, "Christian civilization" vs "Judeo-Christian civilization" and "Muslim civilization".

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185 Comments:

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 2:32 PM  

should point out the arrogance of 2% of the population attempting to insinuate itself into the history of the U.S. this way, with word games. Imagine if mooslims tried to claim this was an Islamo-Christian country? they'd be laughed out of town

Blogger VD July 06, 2017 2:35 PM  

The Muslims have a better case.

Blogger Jew613 July 06, 2017 2:39 PM  

Judeo-Christianity is insulting to both religions. Combining two religions as if Judaism & Christianity didn't have their own unique identities.

Blogger Salt July 06, 2017 2:42 PM  

"Rome persecuted the Judeo-Christians" said no historian of Roman antiquity ever.

Blogger Whisker biscuit July 06, 2017 2:51 PM  

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Anonymous Mike July 06, 2017 2:53 PM  

VD,

Please explain what you mean when you say the muslims have a better case.

The first time you said it, I thought it was hyperbole but you have said it twice now.

Mike

Blogger SouthRon July 06, 2017 3:05 PM  

It ain't that hard. 10-15% of slaves brought to America were Muslim. That's about 40-60,000 of them. Compared to much lower Jewish numbers.

Blogger Mats July 06, 2017 3:06 PM  

I wonder how often jews in Israel us "judeo-Christian" when talking about the West.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 06, 2017 3:08 PM  

Both retconning history & gaslighting those who object should be offenses punished by expulsion by helicopter ride if required.

My immune system is well-activated to notice when some con artist is selling me a bridge while his hand gropes for my wallet. Their false narrative no longer sells.

Anonymous TLM July 06, 2017 3:10 PM  

It's a close call as to which Bible verse is least understood.

Gen 12:3

or

"God helps those that help themselves". (This one is certainly more amusing since it's not even in the Scripture)

But considering the Judeo-Christian topic of today, it's definitely Gen 12:3

Blogger Edwin Boyette July 06, 2017 3:10 PM  

It's code for the Civilization founded and maintained by Europeans. From the Greeks through the Romans, and in the case of the U.S., the philosophies, values, and ideas of primarily Christian Englishmen.

What is confusing about any of this?

Anonymous View July 06, 2017 3:12 PM  

You know who I would call Judeo Christian ...Michael Landon. Father on Little House on the Prairie (1974-1983) He was Judeo Christian. Jewish dad Christian mom.

Blogger praetorian July 06, 2017 3:13 PM  

I still dimly remember when this would have shocked me.

tfw

Blogger Feather Blade July 06, 2017 3:14 PM  

Mike wrote:explain what you mean when you say the muslims have a better case.

Mohammed cribbed from both Jewish and Christian scholarship when he was "receiving visions" out in the wastelands.

He may have ...appropriated... more from the Christians, I guess.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 06, 2017 3:16 PM  

If the natives described in The Missionaries were baptized Presbyterian, would their cannibalism be nothing more that fervent belief in transubstantiation of wine and bread?

The religion of the Ashkenazim is of the Ashkenazim, as the religion of non-Askenazi ancestral European stock is Christianity. Conflating the two religions is no more honest than is positing Presbyterian cannibalism.

Genes matter.

Anonymous BBGKB July 06, 2017 3:16 PM  

Imagine if mooslims tried to claim this was an Islamo-Christian country? they'd be laughed out of town

Obama did make that claim but it was the moslems who marines wore leather collars to protect themselves from beheadings. Moslem was changed to muslim to disconnect 1400 years of history, just like searching for whatever leftists call illegal aliens will not get you to the history of fake Americans having citizenship striped during Operation Wetback.

10-15% of slaves brought to America were Muslim. That's about 40-60,000 of them. Compared to much lower Jewish numbers.

Lets not forget jews owned the slave boats and ran the auctions that brought blacks to the US.

Both retconning history & gaslighting those who object should be offenses punished by expulsion by helicopter ride if required.

Google is financing a "documentary" on the stonewall "riot". I hear they hired Tiny Tim & his son

Blogger NO GOOGLES July 06, 2017 3:28 PM  

@6
"better case" does not mean "good case". The Jews have a nonexistent claim to the US and its founding, while the Muslims have a slightly-better-than-nonexistent claim.

Blogger Shimshon July 06, 2017 3:30 PM  

Did little Ben block you? I don't see your response to him.

Shimshon‏ @GreatGrayTowers
Replying to @benshapiro
No Ben, it's just Christian. You're a guest in their land. Deal with it.

Blogger S. Thermite July 06, 2017 3:30 PM  

@praetorian

Amen. I used to be a pretty staunch Israel-firster, but daily visits here have a way of red-pilling even the most Judeo-Christian of us.

Blogger Melampus the Seer July 06, 2017 3:31 PM  

Christianity is end and fulfillment of what was Judaism. All of the promises made to Zion are for Christians. The modern form of Judaism is only a pharisaical remnant. All they have left are their lawyers and legal tradition in highly modified form. They have no priests!

There is no Judeo-Christian West. There is no Judaism left that isn't Christian.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora July 06, 2017 3:32 PM  

Muslims have a better case because they've actually controlled parts of Europe and for better or worse had an impact. Jews have just lived in their ghettos and what not over the centuries.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 06, 2017 3:33 PM  

Judeo-Christian values: welfare/police states, endless wars, feminism, unaccountable central banks, drugs, open borders.

No thanks.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar July 06, 2017 3:35 PM  

@16
I have found very little online. Can you share any scholarly resources where I may examine the data? Safe links, please- I am being watched.

Blogger Lovekraft July 06, 2017 3:35 PM  

What Ben Shapiro needs to do is counter VD's argument by displaying how, in practice, Jewish actions are in line with Christ's message. And I would argue that Ben doesn't get to dismiss the millions of westerners cast adrift by certain group manipulation as lost sheep or something. Nor can he dump the responsibility on Christians like we ever really contributed to the problem.

Anonymous Alexamenos July 06, 2017 3:35 PM  

I thought it'd be interesting to plot "western civilization" and "judeo-christian" on the same plot.

Interesting that western civ usage starts to fall off just as judeo Christian starts to rise.

Blogger tz July 06, 2017 3:36 PM  

An even better case for Graeco-Roman-Christian. It was the confluence of the Old Testament and the Pagan Civilization philosophy. But Jesus is "my Lord and my God" and changed everything.

The Enlightenment was an attempt to discard Christian from the Graeco-Roman reasoning. It ended in the reign of Terror in the French Revolution.

Only in America, under the Constitution, did the flowering of reason and God's providence produce a fruit. But we've neglected the tree of liberty.

One can simply look - HONESTLY - at modern day Israel and the Judaeo- part. It is being propped up but is on a perhaps more shallow glide path, but not unlike Venezuela. The IDF and weapons can kill, but can't keep alive the body or spirit when their irrational and evil running of the country catches up.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora July 06, 2017 3:41 PM  

In good old Dario's book he describes how the Jews worked to exterminate the Karaites who dared undermine the power of the rabbis by essentially going sola scriptura on the Old Testament. Jews have elected to distance themselves, by force when needed, from the Old Testament and have chosen to follow their rabbinic traditions. Obviously so long as Christianity and Christendom aren't informed by rabbinic teachings, Judaeo-Christianity is a farce.

Anonymous Goy July 06, 2017 3:42 PM  

Brother Nathaniel videos are hilarious. An ex-Jew turned goy calling out Jewish racism etc.
https://youtu.be/N4xnZDP07N8

Blogger Legion of Logic July 06, 2017 3:44 PM  

Calling Shapiro a coward is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time that didn't come from CNN. You can disagree with him and call him all the childish names you can come up with, but it is demonstrably false that he is a coward by any rational definition.

I assume he's a fraud because he's not a white guy? I don't get that one either.

Blogger Rabbi B July 06, 2017 3:46 PM  

I don't get that one either.

Of course you don't. 'Cuz You're a nitwit.

Blogger BassmanCO July 06, 2017 3:46 PM  

@28 Legion Of Logic, Maybe peruse the site and see previous comments about the Chickenhawk before spouting off about something you disagree with. Vox has provided ample proof of both Shapiro's cowardess and fradulent activity.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 06, 2017 3:49 PM  

Legion of Logic wrote:Calling Shapiro a coward...

Shapiro earned the title of Littlest Chickenhawk fair and square. Don't try to deprive him of it.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 06, 2017 3:51 PM  

@28 LOL

There is a history with Ben here. Search the archives for his name and it will become clear to you. Or not.

Mostly he bravely turns and runs away from public debate with Vox.

Blogger tuberman July 06, 2017 3:52 PM  

I have to admit, I was taken in by the Judeo-Christian myth until late in the 1990's, when I extended my Paleoconservative range and started to hear it was false. About four years ago while following European Alt-Right people I found the full truth behind the myth. This journey has been a long process, and I likely have more to learn.

Blogger VD July 06, 2017 3:55 PM  

Please explain what you mean when you say the muslims have a better case.

Muslim slaves in early America. Al-Andalus in Europe.

Calling Shapiro a coward is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time that didn't come from CNN. You can disagree with him and call him all the childish names you can come up with, but it is demonstrably false that he is a coward by any rational definition.

You're a moron. Ben Shapiro is a gutless moral and physical coward and always has been. There is a reason I have called him the Littlest Chickenhawk for years. When he was in his late teens and early 20s, he was safely at university while declaring that war in the Middle East was America's most sacred and solemn duty.

Not long ago, he ran from a suggested debate with me on free trade. Only a few weeks ago, when one of his fans asked me if I'd be willing to debate him, and I answered in the affirmative, he ran away again.

He is a coward and a fraud. Obviously, you were one of those who was suckered by him.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 06, 2017 3:56 PM  

I used Judeo-Christian as was commonly expressed around me without really examining it. Now I reject it as describing anything to do with my Christian faith or the civilization I support.

Blogger tuberman July 06, 2017 3:56 PM  

Ben is certainly a disgusting poser. Complete paid globalist Jew pretending to represent the Right.

Anonymous Sertorius July 06, 2017 3:59 PM  

As I mentioned in another thread, the whole "Muslims in America" thing is propaganda. Black slaves from the Gambia were indeed highly prized, but jihad had not yet reached West Africa during the most of the 18th Century. On the other hand, you can make a case that a non-trivial percentage of slaves were practicing Catholics from Portuguese Angola. Civil wars and a related religious movement (a messianic cult centered around a woman who called herself "Little Anthony," i.e. a reincarnation of St. James) fed a lot of souls into the Middle Passage.

As for Jews in America, they were relatively rare, but hardly unusual, especially in port cities like New York, Charleston, and Savannah. Oglethorpe, for instance, had no compunction against settling a whole shipload of Jews there in Frederica at first opportunity. Nor did the Jews seem handicapped into their entry in any rank of society--Abram Mordecai, for instance, was a noted trader to the Creeks. (The fact he had a black wife might be worth more contemplation, though.)

Blogger YIH July 06, 2017 4:02 PM  

@16 BBGKB:
Moslem was changed to muslim to disconnect 1400 years of history,
In a way, yes, but the term ''muslim'' started appearing in the 60's with Muhammad Ali and the ''black muslim'' movement - most likely because by tradition Islam considers all black Africans slaves by default. Just like ''judeo-christian'' and Israel worship (don't believe me, look at John Hagee or Sarah Palin) was post WWII propaganda.

Anonymous Mike July 06, 2017 4:03 PM  

VD,

You seem to imply that the "values" are similar or have something in common.

I understand the populations overlapped. Are you saying that genes mixed? That values mixed? I still don't see the connection.

Mike

Blogger Dexter July 06, 2017 4:03 PM  

10-15% of slaves brought to America were Muslim. That's about 40-60,000 of them.

Assuming this is true (and I am skeptical)... so what? Were these slaves actually allowed to practice Islam? It is hard to see the massa on the plantation allowing them to do so. Can't see the massa catering to the dietary restrictions; "here's your fatback and chitlins, boy!"

In short, accepting that some slaves were Muslims, what possible "Muslim influence" could they have exerted on American culture?

Blogger Whisker biscuit July 06, 2017 4:04 PM  

Only thing Shapiro did worthwhile is Primetime Propaganda.

Blogger Random July 06, 2017 4:05 PM  

Melampus the Seer wrote:Christianity is end and fulfillment of what was Judaism. All of the promises made to Zion are for Christians.

I keep telling my VERY evangelically protestant Dad that Israel in scripture != Israel the nation-state.

He refuses to accept that WE (the church) are the Israel of God.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 06, 2017 4:06 PM  

Tossing rhetoric before the spergs.
Hilarity ensues.
I luv this blog.

Blogger Ron July 06, 2017 4:06 PM  

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Blogger Aquila Aquilonis July 06, 2017 4:07 PM  

What is this? A graph for ants?

Blogger SamuraiJack July 06, 2017 4:12 PM  

I remember when I was in the Judeo-Christian trance as well. Vox and others like Ramz Paul helped me see through that BS. I think the Goys are waking up to this farce and it has them panicked. SHUT IT DOWN!

Blogger Lovekraft July 06, 2017 4:15 PM  

@38: "the term ''muslim'' started appearing in the 60's "

Schopenhauer used the term "Mohammedans" in his "The World as Will and Representation"

Blogger Dexter July 06, 2017 4:18 PM  

"Judeo-Christian" was always the cuck GOP way to virtue signal "we wuuuuv Israel, we're not anti-Semites like the mean ole Liberty Lobby"

Blogger Sheila4g July 06, 2017 4:22 PM  

Denver rabbi William Friedman, as reported in the Denver Post on 28 Dec 1907, strongly disagreed with Vox:

"The Jew has earned his title to citizenship in America by services as eminent and distinguished as any. He enabled Columbus to equip his fleet . . . Haym Solomon loaned $300,000 to the government in time of its direst need, which has not been repaid . . . "
" . . . We are constantly told this is a Christian nation. While gladly recognizing the invaluable services Christianity has rendered, this cannot be called a Christian nation except in the conventional sense of the word . . . American ideals are not the product of Christianity. Justice and righteousness, love and brotherhood are the never ceasing demands of the old Hebrew legislators and prophets. The insignia emblazoned on the Liberty Bell 'proclaiming liberty throughout the land and unto all the inhabitants thereof' is a part of the old Hebrew code of law. The Pilgrims breathed deeply of this spirit, and transplanted it to America. They endeavored to restore old Jewish ideals. Our Thanksgiving is a copy of the Jewish feast of tabernacles. The fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man is voiced by all the prophets."
"The Lord's prayer, the Sermon on the Mount, the golden rule, the Christmas carol of 'Peace and Good Will' owe their origin to rabbinic sources, as every student knows. Jesus heard them from the lips of the rabbis. He was born a Jew, lived a Jew, and died a Jew. The great body of Jews heard him gladly and welcomed him with hosannas and palm branches."

So you see, we cannot really call America a Christian nation. We copied it all from Jews. They were the first real Americans. It's straight from the horse's mouth.

Blogger Kauf Buch July 06, 2017 4:27 PM  

NOT trolling, honestly requesting clarification:

Please refer to documents which confirm the claim that there is in effect no relation between Judaism and Christianity. THAT, or clarify your claim that there is no "Judeo Christianity" (please don't nitpick...it DOES sound like you're promoting the former)

From my old fashioned understanding, the Old Testament is from Judaism, whereas the New Testament is Christian, Jesus being a Jew etc etc.

Again, please no snark, just clarification. Thank you.

Blogger Ceasar July 06, 2017 4:27 PM  

@49

Well if a rabbi said it....

Blogger VD July 06, 2017 4:32 PM  

From my old fashioned understanding, the Old Testament is from Judaism, whereas the New Testament is Christian, Jesus being a Jew etc etc.

No. The New Testament is considered authoritative by Christians. Judaism considers the Talmud to be authoritative.

From Infogalactic: Karaite Judaism or Karaism is a Jewish movement characterized by the recognition of the Tanakh alone as its supreme legal authority in Halakha (Jewish religious law) and theology. It is distinct from mainstream Rabbinic Judaism, which considers the Oral Torah, as codified in the Talmud and subsequent works, to be authoritative interpretations of the Torah.

The Talmudic Jews murdered the Karaite Jews in Spain after the Muslim invasion and nearly wiped them out entirely. Only 50,000 remain today.

Blogger Joshua_D July 06, 2017 4:33 PM  

Aquila Aquilonis wrote:What is this? A graph for ants?

L.O.L.

An interesting comparison is to look up "Christendom" on Google NGram.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Christendom&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CChristendom%3B%2Cc0

Blogger Ceasar July 06, 2017 4:36 PM  

@50

Chew on this...https://infogalactic.com/info/Origins_of_Judaism

Going by the "Judaism helped create Christianity" logic. We should all be giving credit to Sumerians for creating western culture and settling America.

Blogger Rabbi B July 06, 2017 4:39 PM  

More Jews just need to shut up and be the blessing they were called to be wherever we may find ourselves.

We were called to serve G-d first, and then our fellowman. And true service does give a rat's ass about how we are treated or mistreated.

What if the Son of man, Who was not treated well had taken that attitude? Where would we all be? The Son of man came not to be served but to serve. He set the greatest example and we are admonished to follow it.

Jews know better. It's called avodas Hashem (service of G-d), and that is all we are supposed to be, no more and no less. Avodas Hashem is most important, and it matters not whether those we serve recognize and commend our service or not. Treat us well or malign us.

We need to get out of ourselves and get over ourselves if we are ever going to hear those words I, for one, long to hear: Well done, good and faithful servant.

We are servants of Hashem and half of (((us))) are guests in someone else's country. It's high time to start acting like it instead of like we own the place, while thumping our chests and telling the host and everyone who will listen how grateful they should be for our presence.

A servant loves his service when he understands how great service is, and how much greater the One Whom he is supposed to be serving really is.

Anonymous Azimus July 06, 2017 4:39 PM  

Arguing "Judeo-Christian" on the merits of its historicity would probably make a great book, but it's fair to say it is a position of weakness in the twitter/sound-byte driven world of the moral landscape/battlefield. You don't have enough bandwidth to explain your viewpoint, so you end up calling down the airstrike of anti-semitism/white supremacy on you. If your only purpose is to get attention then it is hugely effective. But tactic does not open the hearts and minds for intelligent discussion and conversion.

Anonymous FreightTrain July 06, 2017 4:41 PM  

Dennis Prager uses "Judeo-Christian" all the time. I caught the tail end of a conversation this am where he was talking about Trumps speech in Poland. I was only half paying attention and I think it was about how you can not be secular and be a conservative. There was some back and forth on religion and Prager stated that if you believe in the god who gave the 10 commandments you believe in the same god and America is a judeo Christian nation etc. etc. I was thinking what he would say if asked: Do you believe in the god that sent his only begotten son for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven; he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father?

Generally I like his show and will listen in if I am on the road at that time. He seems to me to be the most rational and conservative of all the yakkers on that Salem network. His pushing this new think is irritating.

Anonymous BBGKB July 06, 2017 4:43 PM  

Calling Shapiro a coward is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time that didn't come from CNN.

He stood up to the hairy tranny Zoe Tur. Benji is willing to fight for Israel's interests to the last Christian soldier

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 06, 2017 4:46 PM  

I sneer at white supremacy, but it's amazing how many people won't answer when asked if they are for or against white preservation.

After all, if white rhinos are worth preserving ...

Anonymous Mike Rock July 06, 2017 4:46 PM  

Which of the Founders, or early writers in the colonies thought that Jews should be sent to and confined to one colony, one of the Carolina's I believe??? This is an early but very strong memory I want to either confirm or eliminate.

GOD bless.

And GOD sure has blessed the USA with the TRUMP!!!

Blogger Cail Corishev July 06, 2017 4:49 PM  

"The Pilgrims breathed deeply of this spirit, and transplanted it to America. They endeavored to restore old Jewish ideals." - Rabbi William Friedman

Yes, we're becoming aware of the Talmudic influence on some Christian groups, especially the Puritans.

Shapiro shoots left at certain targets, and hopes we'll forget how hard he worked to keep Trump out of office, thereby allowing Hillary in. He promised he would never, ever, ever support Donald Trump. I take him at his word, and assume "never ever" includes 2018 and 2020, when it will be critical to support President Trump and his congressional picks if we don't want the Trump Train to stall. By Shapiro's own vow, he will be shooting from the other side in that battle, or playing at neutrality at best. So why would I ever consider him an ally? Sounds like a "fool me twice, shame on me" situation.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 06, 2017 4:51 PM  

Speaking of Dennis Prager;

http://shoebat.com/2017/06/23/dennis-prager-supports-and-defends-pedophilia-and-declares-that-the-bible-teaches-that-men-can-be-happy-sodomizing-boys-and-says-that-he-is-interested-in-gay-romance-stories/

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 06, 2017 4:52 PM  

I was skeptical, btw, until I clicked thru to the video.

Unholy crap!

Anonymous patrick kelly July 06, 2017 4:57 PM  

@62 UFR

I'm not particularly fond of DP, but that was an obvious splice job. That guys page smells bad.

Anonymous FreightTrain July 06, 2017 5:02 PM  

@ #62.

Damn. Nice tip. I will hunt down that Rubin interview to listen to the whole thing.
I did not know Rubin was a fag.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 06, 2017 5:03 PM  

It's good enough rhetoric to turn loads of gentiles into blubbering virtue signaling goofs who are mocked without remorse by most Jews

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 06, 2017 5:03 PM  

Thanks! As a non-media watcher I'm such a rube when it comes to these things.

It was always the ex's domain before he decided to trade me in for a bouncy New Age-er.

Much appreciated.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 06, 2017 5:05 PM  

If the mod would be so kind as to delete my shame ...

Or not. There may be other rubes lurking.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 06, 2017 5:07 PM  

Freight Train, please see patrick kelly at #64.

Splice job. Oh, my red face!

Anonymous Big Ben July 06, 2017 5:07 PM  

Not defending Ben S here, but maybe the reason he didn't want to debate you is because you are not famous enough.

All kinds of people want to debate people more famous than they are, but the more famous person doesn't have the time to boost the profile of the less famous person.

Anonymous FreightTrain July 06, 2017 5:16 PM  

#69 Unamused Flyover Resident

Copy. I am going to listen to the original interview.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 06, 2017 5:20 PM  

Big Ben,
You know who else runs from debates with VD?

PZ Myers.

Who?

Exactly.

Anonymous White Guy July 06, 2017 5:23 PM  

#70.
Cluck, Cluck, Cluck, goes the chicken-hawk.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 06, 2017 5:23 PM  

BBGKB wrote:Moslem was changed to muslim to disconnect 1400 years of history ...

I favor mohammedan over moslem or muslim. I've heard that it upsets them to be called mohammedans.

Big Ben wrote:All kinds of people want to debate people more famous than they are, but the more famous person doesn't have the time to boost the profile of the less famous person.

More to the point in this case, nobody wants to debate someone who will surely make him look like a dimwitted fool.

Anonymous Perv July 06, 2017 5:33 PM  

VD "Not long ago, he ran from a suggested debate with me on free trade... he ran away again.

Is paying no mind to, the same as running?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2017 5:34 PM  

SouthRon wrote:It ain't that hard. 10-15% of slaves brought to America were Muslim. That's about 40-60,000 of them. Compared to much lower Jewish numbers.
This is a lie produced and spread by the Islamic Apologist SJW types. It relies on the point of embarkation for the slaves, saying that if 5000 slaves embarked from Cote d'Ivoire and Cd'I was 50% muslim, then 50% of the slaves would be Muslim.
Problem is, Islam explicitly requires that Muslims cannot enslave other Muslims. If a slave recites the shahada, he's supposed to be released from service. Of course, that's always subject to abuse, but will have a serious effect on the numbers involved. It is certain that Muslim slave traders would mostly deal in non-Muslims, and that the religious demographics of the port of embarkation have almost nothing to do with the demographics of the slaves brought from the interior.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 06, 2017 5:35 PM  

Unamused Flyover Resident wrote:Freight Train, please see patrick kelly at #64.

Splice job. Oh, my red face!


Don't be too hard on yourself, I tend to be highly skeptical of videos no matter who it's from.

I could be wrong, maybe the splice was a good job of summarizing the content and presented fairly within context, but at this point I doubt it and don't care about DP enough to investigate further. Call me a paranoid, lazy, media skeptic, heh.

Blogger dienw July 06, 2017 5:37 PM  

@ Melampus the Seer
Christianity is end and fulfillment of what was Judaism.

Absolutely not: Judaism is Talmudism, is Pharsaism, is "the tradition of the elders," which was and remains at enmity with Jesus Christ. Christianity is the fulfillment of Hebraism: the Law and the Prophets.

Stop calling yourself "the Seer" until you learn these basic truths.

Anonymous Big Ben July 06, 2017 5:37 PM  

You're missing the point.

Ben S may (or may not) look like a fool debating VD, but even if he made VD look like a moron, there is no benefit for Ben S. It would only benefit VD who has a fraction of the audience. Ben S probably thinks he is a genius compared to VD.

Someone else might not want to debate VD for different reasons. (They may think he is a nut and it might destroy their own credibility by engaging with his odd quasi-historical theories)

There are many reasons not to engage with VD, and cowardice isn't in the top 25 for most people.

Anonymous Mike Rock July 06, 2017 5:38 PM  

Meyers? VD would crucify him!!

BBG... I had a lot of my dad's old books when I was growing up. Cowboys and stuff. In one from 1917 there were train robbing Mohammadens out west....and they shouted Allah.. Akbar when attacking the engineer and fireman to stop the train carrying gold specie.. (look up specie).. funny.

Blogger J A Baker July 06, 2017 5:38 PM  

With the many traditions that are observed during Christmas (Christmas Trees, Mistletoe )and Easter (Easter Eggs andHunts and Bunnies) as well as the way Halloween is observed and celebrated in US pagan-Christian may be a more accurate label.

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 5:41 PM  

Haym Solomon loaned $300,000 to the government in time of its direst need, which has not been repaid . . . "

shameful but still doesnt make us a non-Christian country

i wonder if that rabbi ever mentioned the jew role in the slave trade or did he conveniently forget?

Blogger Ransom Smith July 06, 2017 5:43 PM  

Not defending Ben S here, but maybe the reason he didn't want to debate you is because you are not famous enough.

Ben won't debate Milo either. And whatever you might think about Milo, his audience makes Ben's look tiny.

Blogger BassmanCO July 06, 2017 5:45 PM  

Big Ben wrote:You're missing the point.

Ben S may (or may not) look like a fool debating VD, but even if he made VD look like a moron, there is no benefit for Ben S. It would only benefit VD who has a fraction of the audience. Ben S probably thinks he is a genius compared to VD.

Someone else might not want to debate VD for different reasons. (They may think he is a nut and it might destroy their own credibility by engaging with his odd quasi-historical theories)

There are many reasons not to engage with VD, and cowardice isn't in the top 25 for most people.


Um, guessing you missed the part where Benji engaged VD, agreed to debate, then ran away. He didn't ignore him loftily as you are projecting into the situation. Try again.

Anonymous Big Ben July 06, 2017 5:45 PM  

@83

Well, that is a good point.
I assume that in Milo's case Ben thinks he is just a wacky performance artist and Ben wants to be taken seriously as an intellectual.

He may feel the same way about VD.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 06, 2017 5:48 PM  

Or he may just be a big pussy.

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 5:50 PM  

I sneer at white supremacy

who needs the burden of proving yourself "supreme"?

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 06, 2017 5:54 PM  

"Whites declaring their supremacy is so racist."
---(((The Chosen People)))

Blogger The Kurgan July 06, 2017 5:54 PM  

Not if you accept (((crypto))) Judaism as instrumental in making the USA Israel's bitch for the last 100 years or so (yes I know Israel didn't exist as a country then).

Blogger Ransom Smith July 06, 2017 5:55 PM  

@BigBen

Except Milo is wicked fast on his feet. His whit is some of the sharpest of the major names. If you ever watch the BBC big questions stuff he participates in, he's biting retorts are genius.

Ben doesn't think that fast.

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 5:55 PM  

79. Anonymous Big Ben July 06, 2017 5:37 PM

It would only benefit VD who has a fraction of the audience


why do you think that is?

have you heard of Michael Medved on Salem Radio? do you think he would have that job if he werent a jew? he's terrible

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 06, 2017 5:58 PM  

Huh.
Didn't expect a Gay Mustachio reference in this thread.
VP is always so unpredictable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2017 5:58 PM  

Big Ben wrote:I assume that in Milo's case Ben thinks he is just a wacky performance artist and Ben wants to be taken seriously as an intellectual.

He may feel the same way about VD.

Or your may be rationalizing your inaccurate assesment of Ben Shapiro's character, for emotional reasons.
No, I'm sure that's not it...

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 6:03 PM  

79. Anonymous Big Ben

Ben S probably thinks he is a genius compared to VD.


no doubt, "Big Ben" prob does too

Blogger SomeAsshole July 06, 2017 6:06 PM  

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Blogger SomeAsshole July 06, 2017 6:07 PM  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/06/virgil-the-emerging-trump-doctrine-the-defense-of-the-west-and-judeo-christian-civilization/

You know what to do, gents.

Blogger Lovekraft July 06, 2017 6:23 PM  

Breitbart just weighed in:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/06/virgil-the-emerging-trump-doctrine-the-defense-of-the-west-and-judeo-christian-civilization/

I scanned the article that's full of Trump's speech and he didn't mention these values. It is the BreitBRAT author that makes this connection.

Anonymous Rambam July 06, 2017 6:23 PM  

I just find it interesting that Israel is back on "most" maps after two thousand years. Will they get dispersed again or be in the land at the end of all things?

Blogger Lovekraft July 06, 2017 6:24 PM  

Sorry SA, didn't see your post.

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind July 06, 2017 6:41 PM  

He advocated for war but wasn't willing to fight himself.

Anonymous Sam Gamgee July 06, 2017 6:42 PM  

I prefer to think of Judeo-Christianity as "The West" in Middle Earth. We average Christians are mere men (or are we hobbits?) Muslims are the orcs, Asians are the dwarves, etc. The Jews are like the Elves, the Chosen People and the light of the world. The Wise among the Jews (rabbis, etc.) are like the Istari (the Wizards), eldest in the faith and closest to God. As we are mere men or hobbits, we must trust the counsel of the Wise over our own tiny vision of the world. I say this as a church-going Christian for 39 years and a proud Reagan conservative.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 06, 2017 6:46 PM  

I think the progtards having kittens over this speech is more interesting than what Jews or Jew skeptics think

Blogger tuberman July 06, 2017 6:51 PM  

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Blogger Random July 06, 2017 6:52 PM  

I would need to write a book to fully explain how wrong your interpretation of Tolkien is, S.G.

No, just, no.

Blogger tuberman July 06, 2017 6:56 PM  

101. Sam Gamgee

I see you as the tinniest of trolls and not a Hobbit at all. Such as you has not the tallness to see over a hobbits shoulders. No vision, and no sense.

OpenID aew51183 July 06, 2017 7:02 PM  

@101

I sincerely hope this is poe's law.
As a jew I'm aghast at the political action of the bulk of my "community leaders".
They remind me forcefully of the vortex residents from Zardoz.
Well, just because their existence has been gutted by post-modernism doesn't mean they should be dragging me down into muslim hell with them.

Blogger VD July 06, 2017 7:12 PM  

Ben S probably thinks he is a genius compared to VD.

He doesn't. He knows I'm smarter than he is. I have the emails from him asking my advice to prove it. Ben doesn't debate me because he knows he has absolutely no chance against me.

Some of you clearly don't realize that we've known each other since he was a little kid parroting Republican dogma for WND.

Blogger VD July 06, 2017 7:13 PM  

I say this as a church-going Christian for 39 years and a proud Reagan conservative.

You're a fucking moron. Repent of your falsehood.

Blogger Feather Blade July 06, 2017 7:18 PM  

J A Baker wrote:With the many traditions that are observed during Christmas (Christmas Trees, Mistletoe )and Easter (Easter Eggs andHunts and Bunnies) as well as the way Halloween is observed and celebrated in US pagan-Christian may be a more accurate label.

Think of it as Christianity redeeming the symbols and celebrations from their daemonic thrall.

... which doesn't make me any more pleased to see children's coloring pictures with eggs nestled in the grass at the foot of the Cross... but I may be a curmudgeon.

Blogger SomeAsshole July 06, 2017 7:22 PM  

@101

Jews are the dead kings of men. There are very few of them and they are absolute evil.

Anonymous johnc July 06, 2017 7:26 PM  

Judeo-Christian is wildly inaccurate. For today's West is just plain "Judeo" values: pornography, divorce, feminism, fornication, abortion, sodomy, usury, war, coarseness, libertinism and freemasonry.

Thanks for ruining the nations of our ancestors!

Anonymous Brown Jenkin July 06, 2017 7:38 PM  

@74A. Since they say Allah is unknowable, Mohammad by default is their `god`. Thus mohammedan is correct.

Blogger Allen Skeens July 06, 2017 7:43 PM  

Same here thermite.

Blogger James July 06, 2017 7:43 PM  

As far as the jews, there were no jews in Jesus' time and Jesus was not a jew. How is that possible? Everybody, even the jews, says he was. But, the modern English word "Jew" is the 18th century contraction and corruption of the 4th century Latin "Iudaeus" found in St. Jerome's Vulgate Edition and derived from the Greek word "Ioudaios." These two words meant inhabitants of Judea. Judea was Yahuda in Hebrew, Ioudaía in Greek, and Iūdaea in Latin. The evolution of the word "jew" can easily be seen in the extant manuscripts from the 4th century to the 18th century, which illustrate not only the origin of the word "Jew" found in the Latin word "Iudaeus" but also its current use in the English language. There are manuscripts which contain many earlier English equivalents of the word between the 4th and the 18th century. Thus, from the Latin "Iudaeus" to the English "Jew" the evolution of these English forms is: "Gyu," "Giu," "Iu," "Iuu," "Iuw," "Ieuu," "Ieuy," "Iwe," "Iow," "Iewe," "Ieue," "Iue," "Ive," "Iew," and then, finally, the 18th century, "Jew." Similarly, the evolution of the English equivalents for "Jews" is: "Giwis," "Giws," "Gyues," "Gywes," "Giwes," "Geus," "Iuys," "Iows," "Iouis," "Iews," and then, finally, in the 18th century, "Jews." This also about the time that the letter "J" became more commonly used in English and in printing presses.

Now, before you think this is just straining at gnats, I want to point out that the religion called Judaism, whose practitioners are commonly referred to as jews, did also not exist at the time of Christ. What religion did the "jews" practice, then? It was called Phariseeism. Who were Christ's killers? The Pharisees. Who did he constantly denounce, even calling them Sons of Satan? The Pharisees. What is the linear progression from Phariseeism to Judaism? According to Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, "Phariseeism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became modern Rabbinism", and modern Rabbinism became Judaism. In fact, the Messiah wasn't even a Judean. He was a Galilean. Galilee was an area that was derived from Northern Israel when the kingdom split into Israel and Judea.

There is no connection with between Christianity and Judaism. Judaism rests on the Talmud, which says that Christ was an illegitimate child of a Roman soldier and a whore and is in hell boiling in semen for eternity (Talmud, Gittin 57a) Christians in hell are punished by "boiling hot excrement" which is the punishment for all who mock "at the words of the sages" (i.e. the Talmud). Jesus "committed bestiality," "corrupted the people," is "turned into hell." (Talmud Sanhedrin 105a). Jesus "limped on one foot" and "was blind in one eye," "he practiced enchantment by means of his membrum," and "he committed bestiality with his ass" (Talmud, Sanhedrin 105a-105b) Jesus attempts to seduce women, is excommunicated by a rabbi and then worships a brick, was a seducer of Israel, and practiced magic. (Talmud, Sanhedrin l07b), also the Jewish Encyclopedia (See Exhibit 277).

So, yeah Judeo and Christianity have a lot in common. Not!

Blogger SomeAsshole July 06, 2017 7:47 PM  

@114

I am in no way trolling.

You are a very wise man and are of those who are referred to as "wheat."

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 7:47 PM  

Tariq Nasheed@tariqnasheed
Trump did a speech in Poland and spoke about Western values. Now we all know what "Western" is a code word for, don't we?


this guy got away scot-free

Anonymous arathorn July 06, 2017 7:48 PM  

The question when debating the new rhetorical world is how could one ever win? no matter what the other side declares victory.

There is simply no way to debate with VD and win... there is no truth anymore. in the rhetorical world a victory is '2+2 = 5 because the emperor says so you cuck'

Blogger Allen Skeens July 06, 2017 7:50 PM  

That thing reproduced?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 06, 2017 7:55 PM  

I'm wrong about the kittens the progtards are trying to pass whales over the speech

The progs should declare war

Blogger Melampus the Seer July 06, 2017 8:07 PM  

dienw wrote, Christ. Christianity is the fulfillment of Hebraism: the Law and the Prophets.

Hebraism accepts only the Books of Moses. It therefore rejects the Prophets and Rabbinic texts. You're wrong and excessively strident.

I remain the Seer.

Anonymous Rusty Fife July 06, 2017 8:14 PM  

@82

"Haym Solomon loaned $300,000 to the government in time of its direst need, which has not been repaid . . . "

There are rumors that Columbus was a converso that conveniently skipped town 3 months after the
https://infogalactic.com/info/Alhambra_Decree that booted all Jews out of Spain.

Blogger Lazarus July 06, 2017 8:16 PM  

Melampus the Seer wrote:I remain the Seer.

Whatchu talkin' bout' Willis?

haphtara, Hebrew: הפטרה; "parting," "taking leave", plural haftarot or haftoros—despite resemblances it is not related to the word Torah) is a series of selections from the books of Nevi'im ("Prophets") of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) that is publicly read in synagogue as part of Jewish religious practice.

They even have passages from the prophets that correspond to the various parsha readings from the Torah.

You are just Melampus

Anonymous CloseHauled July 06, 2017 8:25 PM  

"Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22

We've had a lot of lies coming from the tribe.

Blogger Melampus the Seer July 06, 2017 8:28 PM  

Lazarus wrote, They even have passages frim the prophets that correspond to the various parsha readings from the Torah

You have lost dienw's original distinction. I suspect you lack the acumen to know that, even after you've been told. You're still dead, Lazarus, and dumb.

I am still The Seer.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 06, 2017 8:29 PM  

I prefer to think of Judeo-Christianity as "The West" in Middle Earth. We average Christians are mere men (or are we hobbits?) Muslims are the orcs, Asians are the dwarves, etc. The Jews are like the Elves, the Chosen People and the light of the world. The Wise among the Jews (rabbis, etc.) are like the Istari (the Wizards), eldest in the faith and closest to God. As we are mere men or hobbits, we must trust the counsel of the Wise over our own tiny vision of the world. I say this as a church-going Christian for 39 years and a proud Reagan conservative.

@101 Sam Gamgee
Facepalm. Judeo-Christ may approve of your simile, but I sure don't.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 06, 2017 8:38 PM  

Moslem, Muslim...

The Iraqi doctors I knew pronounced it (Moo' slim.)

Try spelling that phonetically for sh-ts and giggles. (Grin)

Anonymous Ginny July 06, 2017 8:42 PM  

Civilization restarted when the libertarians of the day got the adoption of the Bill of Rights in 1798. The US Founders were quite clear they were the new Republican Rome, set out a milestone in DC so people wouldn't forget, and have been expanding ever since. The Christian culture had its good points but these were derived from the Romans.

Yeah, we have up and downs. The US system is expanding, though, and we're winning. It is the only civilization, and the UN is its kindergarten.

Building a wall with Mexico is a cop-out. The American men of previous generations wanted to build a wall all right, one in the Urals, the other at Darien gap.

OpenID aew51183 July 06, 2017 8:47 PM  

*"Building a wall with Mexico is a cop-out."*

It's a necessary fortification.
It's been necessary since Pancho Villa began raiding our border towns, just as the cartels are today.

Mexico is a failed state and we have no business leaving a border with a failed state unfortified.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 06, 2017 8:49 PM  

Asians are the dwarves

Teutonic rage intensifies.

The dwarves are germanic. Their language, culture and description is clearly germanic.

I curse you into the black for dare besmirching my ancestors and kin with such foul comparisons.

Anonymous Urban II July 06, 2017 8:55 PM  

There is obviously overlap in Christian and Jewish values, considering the Christian Bible includes the Torah and the Ten Commandments. The same cannot be said of Islam. In Islam the Bible is completely replaced by the Koran. The Bible is fundamentaly flawed in Islamic theology. The most charitable understanding is that "Judeo Christian values" is redundant - any overlapping values being already covered by Christianity. Nevertheless there is no Judeo Christian civilization or Judeo Christian theology.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan July 06, 2017 9:02 PM  

"Dennis Prager uses "Judeo-Christian" all the time. I caught the tail end of a conversation this am where he was talking about Trumps speech in Poland."

Why I stopped frequenting Arab Joe's WND many years ago... Mr. Judeo-christian himself, the all wise Arab Christian that needs to tell we the stupid white folk over here in murica how it's done.

Anonymous Sertorius July 06, 2017 9:11 PM  

@126 Ginny

Ha, well said. The Founders were expansionists to the core and needed (like their fathers' generation) as many warm (white) bodies as they could find. It's not a coincidence that so many of them were surveyors and land speculators--nor should it be a surprise that the Proclamation Line of 1763 was a major catalyst for the Revolution itself. You can also look at the career of Burr--his quixotic attempt to break up the Western states and create a proto-Texas in what was Spanish America doesn't quite support the idea that these men sought only to create a Hobbiton for there genetic "posterity."

Secondly, you have to realize that while the Revolution is often characterized as "conservative," there was also a strain of Enlightenment optimism that connects with the French Revolution. Paine of course is the obvious example, but many of the "young guns"--John Laurens, Hamilton's great friend, for example--held distinctly radical views.

Anonymous crushlimbraw July 06, 2017 9:21 PM  

If the term Judeo-Christian is a fraud - so is pre-millennialism.
As a recovering pre-millennialist (which I explain at my website) - I now ask the question: "Do Jews and Christians worship the same God?"
If we say yes, we are calling Jesus a liar - John 8:44 - "You are of your father - the father of lies!"
The concept of pre-millennialism relies on the physical restoration of Israel as part of the process. It ended in 70 AD.
My point - it doesn't add up logically!

Anonymous Jerry July 06, 2017 9:36 PM  

"Judeo-Christian values" is a phrase used in the US to dignify "medical" circumcision of Christian newborns--something traditionally prohibited by Christianity (and specifically prohibited in Catholicism)--and introduced to the US in the 1890s. It makes Jewish children feel better about being mutilated, and Christian children (and their impressionable parents) more prone ignore or rationalize away Galatians 5-6. It's absolutely diabolical. Of course, the concept has been extended to other "values" like the unconditional political support of Israel. It's a subtle sell. And it worked.

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 9:41 PM  

i thought the dwarves were jews. always concerned about gold and jewels

elves are the Nords

Anonymous andon July 06, 2017 9:46 PM  

The US system is expanding, though, and we're winning. It is the only civilization, and the UN is its kindergarten.

seems like you have things reversed. we're losing and dont be surprised if, under a demorat, the U.N. will soon be calling the shots. apparently they are the ones behind this refugee scam as far as the U.S. goes anyway

Blogger Achilles July 06, 2017 9:46 PM  

I'd love to see a comic book villain called the Judeo-Christian. He'd look like Two-Face. One half looks like an orthodox Jew with the hat, dark clothing, and lock of hair. The other side looks like Joel Osteen.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 06, 2017 9:51 PM  

i thought the dwarves were jews. always concerned about gold and jewels

elves are the Nords


That's what people would have you believe, but no. Wasn't what Tolkien had in mind.
From (((the people))) http://www.timesofisrael.com/are-tolkiens-dwarves-an-allegory-for-the-jews/

The language bears some similarities to Yiddish. Which itself is a hybrid of German and Hebrew. The armor, physical appearances, weapons, etc, are very Germanic.

Blogger Nakota Publishing July 06, 2017 10:31 PM  

Technically, Vox is correct, unless you consider the fact that Jews financed Christian Europe due to the Church's unrealistic prohibition on charging interest. Seriously, though, I think that "Judeo-" was added due to Christian guilt after the Holocaust. Not being either, I couldn't care less about these semantic distinctions.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2017 10:32 PM  

More specifically, the Dwarves of Tolkein are the Dwarves of Norse and Germanic myth. Which, I will hasten to point out, developed long before the Germans and Norse had any contact with Judaism.
Some commenters believe they are based on contact with Aryans in Central Asia, or Greeks in the Balkans, while the tribes were moving to their eventual homes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2017 10:39 PM  

Nakota Publishing wrote:Technically, Vox is correct, unless you consider the fact that Jews financed Christian Europe due to the Church's unrealistic prohibition on charging interest.
It's so unrealistic to expect people to refrain from extracting rent, and so nice of the Jews to extract virtually every possible penny from the White working class of America.

I wonder why the Church would outlaw usury?

Blogger dienw July 06, 2017 10:49 PM  

Melampus the Blind. You're lying. Hebraism is the Law and the Prophets; it does not include the Rabbinical text; the latter are of the elders and Jesus condemned those.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta July 06, 2017 10:50 PM  

Francis Schaeffer popularized the term "Judeo-Christian" among evangelicals in the 1970s.

Blogger Cecil Henry July 06, 2017 11:23 PM  

Whenever I hear someone spouting off about 'Judeo-Christian' instead of Christian civilization, I automatically think:

'This is a cuck speaking'

Anonymous Lolly Furth July 06, 2017 11:38 PM  

It's comic how upset the Jew haters get when the hear the phrase "Judeo-Christian". It's like they lose their minds.

The normal people watch, chuckle, shake their heads and move on until the screams of "I hate Jews" just fade away.

Anonymous Didas Kalos July 06, 2017 11:59 PM  

Don't forget about the Saducees who were in charge also in Jerusalem during Jesus' time. I wonder how many Ashkenazi were in Judea 2000 years ago?

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Blogger Melampus the Seer July 07, 2017 12:12 AM  

dienw wrote, You're lying. Hebraism is the Law and the Prophets; it does not include the Rabbinical text; the latter are of the elders and Jesus condemned those.

Trying to take you seriously, one more time. I'm just trying to work with what you've said. I don't think you've accurately taxonomized the sects. You are looking for a group that (1) accepts the Pentateuch and (2) the Prophets, and (3) rejects the Rabbinical teachings.

It seems to me we have three choices: the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes. The Pharisees accepted the oral traditions that would later be called the Talmud. They cannot be the hebraists of which you speak, because they accepted Rabbinical teachings. The Sadducees accepted only the Torah. They cannot be the hebraists of which you speak, because they did not accept the prophets going so far as to deny any resurrection. The Essenes, we know very little about except that they practiced the asceticism we later see in Christ, Paul, and the early Christians.

Normally, the Pharisees are accounted as hebraists. The Sadducees as hellenists. The Essenes as separatists. I don't see any way to reconcile your view on this account.

The only people we find with (1), (2) , and (3) are Christians.

The people we normally call hebraists, the Pharisees, were denounced by Christ in stark terms. So were the hellenist Sadducees. What you're saying doesn't make sense, unless you're using the word 'hebraism' in some unfamiliar (although not necessarily invalid) way.

I am the Seer, still.

Anonymous andon July 07, 2017 12:32 AM  

144. Anonymous Lolly Furth July 06, 2017 11:38 PM
It's comic how upset the Jew haters get when the hear the phrase "Judeo-Christian". It's like they lose their minds.


would it be funny if there were 2% Christians in israel (prob there are idk) and the Christians went around calling israel a Christo-Judaic country?

do you like to steal the credit for what others have built?
then you might be a jew

Anonymous andon July 07, 2017 12:37 AM  

The normal people watch, chuckle, shake their heads and move on until the screams of "I hate Jews" just fade away.

its not fading away. its getting LOUDER AND LOUDER AND LOUDER

Blogger J A Baker July 07, 2017 1:20 AM  

@136. Acilles,"I'd love to see a comic book villain called the Judeo-Christian. He'd look like Two-Face. One half looks like an orthodox Jew with the hat, dark clothing, and lock of hair. The other side looks like Joel Osteen."

His super power would be the ability to always turn the other cheek.

Blogger S. Thermite July 07, 2017 2:53 AM  

@Acilles and J A Baker

Combo thread-winner.

Bonus points if you can integrate something about a purpose-driven life in a shack and always being willing to walk the extra mile across borders in Xer ("there is no male or female") Samaritan shoes.


Blogger S. Thermite July 07, 2017 3:07 AM  

@andon

As a teenager I was so pro-Israeli that I dreamed of serving in the IDF. I knew they would never accept a white Christian like me as an immigrant, but figured that since I wanted to be soldier there was no better underdog to defend and joining the U.S. military might just put me in another Vietnam.

Fast-forward 20+ years to last weekend when I told two of my much younger, Millennial siblings that I thought the Holocaust has been played-out. They said they agreed but I should never speak such publicly...

Anonymous Die Fledermaus July 07, 2017 4:17 AM  

These threads are always so much fun re: previously mentioned horseshoe theory which in this case is actually applicable. When it comes to Jews and Israel Alt-righters and SJW's start to sound the same.

Anyhow, I would like to confirm that to an Israeli Jew, "Judeo-Christian" is cringe worthy, and to an ultra-orthodox Jew it probably sounds about the same as saying "Kosher Pork", it just doesn't add up. I've never heard it said in Hebrew, only English, and it's generally uttered only by diaspora Jews and occasionally by one of our politicians abroad.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable July 07, 2017 4:22 AM  

Edwin Boyette wrote:It's code for the Civilization founded and maintained by Europeans. From the Greeks through the Romans, and in the case of the U.S., the philosophies, values, and ideas of primarily Christian Englishmen.

What is confusing about any of this?


The "Judeo-" part. The Old Testament was replaced by the New. There is no prefix unless you're a cuckoo bird or a heretic.

I bet you don't even identify as Native European.

Blogger Tuatha July 07, 2017 6:05 AM  

"Judeo-christian" is a code-word for high-level freemason illuminist bent on reduction and total submission of the world to non-scientific materialism and conformist humanism.

Blogger James July 07, 2017 8:54 AM  

Jerry wrote:"Judeo-Christian values" is a phrase used in the US to dignify "medical" circumcision of Christian newborns--something traditionally prohibited by Christianity (and specifically prohibited in Catholicism)--and introduced to the US in the 1890s. It makes Jewish children feel better about being mutilated, and Christian children (and their impressionable parents) more prone ignore or rationalize away Galatians 5-6. It's absolutely diabolical. Of course, the concept has been extended to other "values" like the unconditional political support of Israel. It's a subtle sell. And it worked.

I still wonder if universal circumcision in White America wasn't implemented because the jews were ready to "insert" themselves in the women of White America who might notice that their schwantzes looked different than their brothers'.

Blogger James July 07, 2017 9:26 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Nakota Publishing wrote:Technically, Vox is correct, unless you consider the fact that Jews financed Christian Europe due to the Church's unrealistic prohibition on charging interest.

It's so unrealistic to expect people to refrain from extracting rent, and so nice of the Jews to extract virtually every possible penny from the White working class of America.

I wonder why the Church would outlaw usury?


Maybe to prevent the parasite from extracting every possible penny from the White working class? I imagine your question is rhetorical but

The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender. Proverbs 22:7.

Among other prohibitions in the OT. Jews have wanted to make Christ's parable of the talents appear to approve collecting interest. From Luke 19:21-23:

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere (harsh, cruel) man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

Here we have the servant that buried his talent and did not attempt to increase it for his master. His master represents God/Christ. The servant calls his master cruel and a thief. "Your reap what you do not sow". Is God/Christ cruel and a thief? So the master asks "Why didn't you just put the money to interest?" knowing that this is forbidden by the Law. Since the master is responsible for the actions of their servants, this would make him a usurer, along with being cruel and a thief.

Blogger Elocutioner July 07, 2017 11:24 AM  

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/chants-of-fk-cnn-break-out-at-milo-book-party/

"Another highlight of the party was dancing midgets wearing yarmulkes and Ben Shapiro nameteags."

I'm guessing Ben will never debate Milo after this. Sad.

Anonymous andon July 07, 2017 11:44 AM  

@ #152 S. Thermite

i bought into that underdog stuff too

Anonymous c matt July 07, 2017 11:48 AM  

As I understand it, usury is charging interest on a loan secured against the person, not just some property. In other words, interest on recourse debt (collectible against the borrower, not just against property secured by the loan). Based upon the description in line 23, can't really tell if it would be usury. Assuming the interest would be collectible against the bank's assets, but not against the banker personally, it might not be.

Anonymous c matt July 07, 2017 11:52 AM  

The Old Testament was replaced by the New.

I would say "fulfilled", but the difference for your point is probably not material. Contra Ghandi, you cannot be a Christian, and a Jew [and a Muslim] (if the 1980's film accurately quotes him). They are mutually exclusive categories.

Anonymous CloseHauled July 07, 2017 12:13 PM  

I'm going to start correcting the family cucks I know when they say "Judeo-Christian values" with "you mean our Pharisee-Christian values, and yes Judeo Christ approves of these values".

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 07, 2017 12:48 PM  

Curious that Christianity gets bumps during wartime, whereas Judeo-Christian gets bumps during debt-fueled expansions.

Anonymous The Rebbe July 07, 2017 2:43 PM  

"Judeo-Christian Civlization".....was pushed by Billy Graham, the most successful Christian advocate in 100+ years.

The point for the silly Goyim who are too busy reading anti-Semitic twitter memes than study their faith, or mine, is that there is a *very large* overlap in the underlying values of the faiths. Namely: turn the other cheek, Golden Rule, 10 Commandments. All are "Judeo Christian". You can argue semantics, but the differences in the 613 Commandments and the values of Christianity (odd Kosher rules aside), are pretty slim.

Now, stupid Goyim, drop the anti-Semitic crack pipe for a moment.....

What has been going on for the last 100 years... Old Testament values have been attacked and you've been accused of Anti-Semitism. So, brilliant Mr. Graham, who appears to have actually intuitively understood the Abrahamic faiths, repackages "Old Testament" as "Judeo Christian" and thereby saves the USA from Europes's atheistic/degeneracy hell hole. Ignorant AltRighters, coked up on anti-Semitic nonsense, of course, lack the subtle insight to understand Graham's stunning success or insight.

You can autistically sceech now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 07, 2017 2:50 PM  

The Rebbe wrote:is that there is a *very large* overlap in the underlying values of the faiths. Namely: turn the other cheek, Golden Rule, 10 Commandments. All are "Judeo Christian".
Divorce
Abortion
Fornication
Adultery
Porn
Usury

Jesus

Christianity has more overlap with Buddhist values than Jewish.

Blogger Matamoros July 07, 2017 2:52 PM  

Actually since Mohammed was a blood Jew there is far more case for Judeo-Islamism than for Judeo-Christianity.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 07, 2017 2:57 PM  

J A Baker wrote:His super power would be the ability to always turn the other cheek. Turn somebody else's other cheek, you mean.

James wrote:So the master asks "Why didn't you just put the money to interest?" knowing that this is forbidden by the Law.

I always took this as something along the lines of ``You think I'm a crook? You think you're working for a crook and you won't even steal for him?''

Work in your boss' interests. Don't work for a crook.

Blogger Matamoros July 07, 2017 2:57 PM  

If the Jews really regarded Christ as a Jew, the Jews would officially "bless Jesus", but they don't because they hate him as much today as in 33 A.D.; as witness the Talmud.

Anonymous the Rebbe July 07, 2017 3:01 PM  

Usury..... CONGRATULATIONS!! The other's are nowhere in the Torah or Talmud. They are Frankist innovations.

But, funny, you people do that nowadays, too. And so did the Templar Knights. So, Usury isn't really "Jewish" except in your pretensions.

Go home Goy, and read your holy books instead of posting nonsense and exposing your ignorance.

Anonymous the Rebbe July 07, 2017 3:05 PM  

If the Jews really regarded Christ as a Jew, the Jews would officially "bless Jesus", but they don't because they hate him as much today as in 33 A.D.; as witness the Talmud.

oy vey!
Again, I reiterate, YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE NEVER STUDIED JUDAISM OTHER THAN TWITTER MEMES.

Our greatest sage, Rambam praises Jesus, and so does Emden, who "double flatters him". Google "Rabbi Emden and Christianity".
You see, the dumb Goyim were barbarians and debaucherous Romans until Jesus made you civilized. Since Jesus saved the world from barbarism, serious Jews find him praiseworthy. Now, you're back to non-Christian nutcases again who are utterly ignorant of religion.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 07, 2017 3:26 PM  

the Rebbe wrote:Our greatest sage, Rambam praises Jesus ...

Does he acknowledge Jesus as the promised Messiah? The only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh? If he does, he's a Christian.

If he doesn't, merely saying that Jesus was a great teacher or a prophet is denying the divinity of the Messiah, and rejecting the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Blogger James July 07, 2017 6:02 PM  

the Rebbe wrote:
oy vey!

Our greatest sage, Rambam.....


Is this a yiddish joke? Your greatest sage is named Rambam? Is that like Rambam thank you mam?

"You see, the dumb Goyim were barbarians and debaucherous Romans until Jesus made you civilized. Since Jesus saved the world from barbarism, serious Jews find him praiseworthy. Now, you're back to non-Christian nutcases again who are utterly ignorant of religion.

You mean those noble, and stoic "debaucherous" Romans of the Republic? Its funny how different races use barbarian to describe those of another race or culture. Like the Greeks referring to non-Greeks as barbarians. Or the Chinese referring to non-Chinese as barbarians. Or ancient Hebrews (not jews) referring to the "beasts of the field".

So, jews find Jesus praiseworthy for saving the world from "barbarism". Not for saving the world from sin, though. Does the Talmud find him praiseworthy for being the bastard son of a Roman soldier and a whore? I mean, that is what the Talmud says about him, right? Among other scatological and sexual insults.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 07, 2017 6:06 PM  

James wrote:Is this a yiddish joke?
It's a troll. Likely a Nazi LARPer wannabe.

Blogger James July 07, 2017 7:16 PM  

The Rebbe wrote:"Judeo-Christian Civlization".....was pushed by Billy Graham, the most successful Christian advocate in 100+ years.


You mean THE Billy Graham that was recorded talking to Richard Nixon about the pernicious effect of the jews? From the Chicago Tribune in 2002.

Rev. Billy Graham openly voiced a belief that Jews control the American media, calling it a "stranglehold" during a 1972 conversation with President Richard Nixon, according to a tape of the Oval Office meeting released Thursday by the National Archives.
"This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain," the nation's best-known preacher declared as he agreed with a stream of bigoted Nixon comments about Jews and their perceived influence in American life.
"You believe that?" Nixon says after the "stranglehold" comment.
"Yes, sir," Graham says.
"Oh, boy," replies Nixon. "So do I. I can't ever say that but I believe it."
"No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something," Graham replies.
Later, Graham mentions that he has friends in the media who are Jewish, saying they "swarm around me and are friendly to me." But, he confides to Nixon, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."

Haldeman's diaries noted the conversation. He wrote that there was discussion "of the terrible problem arising from the total Jewish domination of the media, and agreement that this was something that would have to be dealt with."
He continues, "Graham has the strong feeling that the Bible says there are satanic Jews and there's where our problem arises."
Nixon then broaches a subject about which "we can't talk about it publicly," namely Jewish influence in Hollywood and the media. He cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who is executive producer of the NBC hit, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," as telling him that "11 of the 12 writers are Jewish."
"That right?" says Graham, prompting Nixon to claim that Life magazine, Newsweek, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, are "totally dominated by the Jews." He calls network TV anchors Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite "front men who may not be of that persuasion," but that their writers are "95 percent Jewish."
Nixon demurs that this does not mean "that all the Jews are bad" but that most are left-wing radicals who want "peace at any price except where support for Israel is concerned. The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews."
"That's right," agrees Graham, who later concurs with a Nixon assertion that a "powerful bloc" of Jews confronts Nixon in the media. "And they're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff," Graham adds.
Nixon contends that "every Democratic candidate will owe his election to Jewish people," but he won't.
Graham was recorded as saying “A lot of the Jews are great friends of mine. They swarm around me and are friendly to me. Because they know I am friendly to Israel and so forth. They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."
Nixon says, "You must not let them know."

The conversation turns to religious magazines, postal rates and Nixon's uncharitable thoughts on certain Cabinet members. Graham then leaves and, a few minutes later, Nixon tells Haldeman, "You know it was good we got this point about the Jews across."





Blogger Koanic July 07, 2017 7:25 PM  

Sam Gamgee wrote:I prefer to think of Judeo-Christianity as "The West" in Middle Earth. We average Christians are mere men (or are we hobbits?) Muslims are the orcs, Asians are the dwarves, etc. The Jews are like the Elves, the Chosen People and the light of the world. The Wise among the Jews (rabbis, etc.) are like the Istari (the Wizards), eldest in the faith and closest to God. As we are mere men or hobbits, we must trust the counsel of the Wise over our own tiny vision of the world. I say this as a church-going Christian for 39 years and a proud Reagan conservative.

The Platonic cuckservative!

Anonymous andon July 07, 2017 7:42 PM  

169. Anonymous the Rebbe July 07, 2017 3:01 PM

But, funny, you people....


tsk, tsk

Anonymous andon July 07, 2017 7:46 PM  

He cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who is executive producer of the NBC hit, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," as telling him that "11 of the 12 writers are Jewish."

pure coincidence goy

Blogger VD July 07, 2017 9:04 PM  

Pls, bro, no stupid Talmud quotes. When you read all 38 volumes and can put in context, get back to me.

Don't be ridiculous. You're not fooling anyone here with that "oh, you can't possibly understand what raping a child means without understanding the holistic context" nonsense. Do try to remember that we are smarter and better educated than you are. And if you grasped statistics, you would understand that.


Now, stupid Goyim, drop the anti-Semitic crack pipe for a moment.....

You're lying, and are now banned and spammed for it.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 07, 2017 9:16 PM  

You can tell someone's new here, when he thinks he's going to run the standard Talmud obfuscation games on us.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 07, 2017 9:38 PM  

This sounds like a hellscape nightmare...what kind of church do you attend?!?

Anonymous andon July 07, 2017 9:57 PM  

Again, I reiterate, YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE NEVER STUDIED JUDAISM OTHER THAN TWITTER MEMES.

what i do know is that i dont like you and you should be more concerned about that than whether i know anything about judaism or the bible

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 07, 2017 10:55 PM  

Actually, "Judeo-Islamic" would make more sense. Not just pork and circumcision; they're considerably closer in both ritual and doctrine than Judaism and Christianity are.

http://www.judaism-islam.com/similarities-between-judaism-and-islam/

Anonymous Verita July 08, 2017 2:23 AM  

Christianity is a multi-cultural import to the West which worships a Jew, it's about as "Western" as Chinese restaurants.

"Western Civilization" is just a solipsistic myth with no basis in reality, and European cultures and nations have spent more time warring with one another than anyone else. Plus the mythical notion of "Western civilization" is by definition just a globalist Utopian fantasy, since it advocates that ethenicities and cultures such as Irish, German, French should have their local cultures disbanded and forcibly "unified" under some big, transnational label, much as the EU is doing.

If anything, the "West" is possibly on its way out anyway, due to their failing economies caused by their own greedy and unproductive citizens rather than foreigners, and China and Russia are on the rise and more likely going to supplant the "West" as the dominant world powers, for better or worse.

For that matter, one could even argue that the "West" has always been backward and decadent, as in the case of barbaric, pagan Rome, and that the only "good things" about the "West" are its Eastern imports such as Christianity, which helped to eliminate Western pagan myths and relativism and replace it with universalist understandings of the cosmos which brought us modern science, tying in far more with Eastern thought such as Buddhism and Zoroastrianism than any silly "Western" contrivance such as Zeus and Thor.

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