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Thursday, August 03, 2017

Anything but God

Star Trek can tolerate anything, except the concept of a deity:
Star Trek: Discovery‘s producers apparently feel that the word “God” has no place on the bridge of a Federation starship. Series star Jason Isaacs was admonished for ad-libbing a line indirectly invoking a deity, which the show’s producers viewed as fundamentally against Gene Roddenberry’s utopian vision of the future.

Discovery, the long gestating Star Trek prequel TV show, is finally debuting in September, and details are beginning to emerge about the series’ story and characters. Set ten years before the events of the original Star Trek TV show, the series will follow Commander Michael Burnham (The Walking Dead‘s Sonequa Martin-Green), who is now known to be Spock’s half-sister. The show will chronicle an important event in Starfleet’s history that will heavily involve the Klingons.

Discovery has made some unexpected choices so far, regarding which traditional elements of the franchise it’s eager to embrace and which one it feels comfortable discarding. A new story from Entertainment Weekly showcases perhaps the most unexpected choice yet, as Captain Lorca (played by Harry Potter veteran Jason Isaacs) was told he couldn’t ad-lib a line including the word “god”. Here is the anecdote in question, from EW‘s report.

The director halts the action and Lorca, played by British actor Jason Isaacs of Harry Potter fame, steps off the stage. The episode’s writer, Kirsten Beyer, approaches to give a correction on his “for God’s sakes” ad lib.

“Wait, I can’t say ‘God’?” Isaacs asks, amused. “I thought I could say ‘God’ or ‘damn’ but not ‘goddamn.’ ”

Beyer explains that Star Trek is creator Gene Roddenberry’s vision of a science-driven 23rd-century future where religion basically no longer exists.

“How about ‘for f—’s sake’?” he shoots back. “Can I say that?”

“You can say that before you can say ‘God,’ ” she dryly replies.
Star Trek is a show for atheists and pedophiles. Now they're openly pandering to the former; it won't be too terribly long before they start pandering to the latter.

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187 Comments:

Anonymous DDT August 03, 2017 6:22 PM  

World of Warcraft did this too. They retconned the very idea of 'The Light' being a deity, or priests being religious. It's a secular humanist philosophy now, with some fringe esoteric people believing there may be deities at work in the world of magic and demons and world-shaping entities.

Blogger S1AL August 03, 2017 6:23 PM  

And yet Voyager had openly religious characters, including a Christian.

Well, that's that.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 03, 2017 6:23 PM  

Any room for Allah?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable August 03, 2017 6:23 PM  

You know, as much as I loved the original Star Trek series as a kid, this sucks. I won't go near it. I am starting to feel like some kind of hermit planning to hole up in his cave for the bloody apocalypse.

With a big pile of hardcover Castalia books, of course.

Anonymous Faceless August 03, 2017 6:29 PM  

They journeyed to the center of the universe to meet God some 30 years after when this new series is set. They all clearly believed in a deity then.

The Klingon and Bajoran religions were big topics throughout TNG and DS9. The Vulcan religion was mentioned as a sort of cultural Catholicism. Voyager had an American Indian, complete with the spirit visions, and the much more advanced Delta Quadrant had a lot of religion.

There were even episodes where they gave Picard introspective lines where he pondered whether had lost something with its shiny atheism.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook August 03, 2017 6:30 PM  

"World of Warcraft did this too. They retconned the very idea of 'The Light' being a deity, or priests being religious. It's a secular humanist philosophy now, with some fringe esoteric people believing there may be deities at work in the world of magic and demons and world-shaping entities."

Usually they turn the light deity into Zeus on bath salts and make the demons misunderstood anti-heroes.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 03, 2017 6:31 PM  

Why don't they just rename it Pizzaprize and the ship as Lolita. They could even have the cancerous old zombie Juan 'Forrest-fire' McStain drooling away in a guest appearance as the aged Pizza-fleet Rear-Admiral, Lower-half. In (((Hollywood))), as in the (((Al-Adalus fable))), there's always room for Allah. Just try to imagine how salty my tears would be if one of Kim-Jong Krazy's nukes happened to land on Hollywood.

Anonymous Faceless August 03, 2017 6:33 PM  

Are they going to pronounce "Michael" as "Michelle", or has the shiny, sexy Sci-Fi future accomplished the androgynic vision of a late 90s Garbage video by declaring male to be female and female to be male...in a lead up 10 years out from Kirk kissing a green woman?

Blogger Sillon Bono August 03, 2017 6:33 PM  

No one will watch that shit after the premiere.

Blogger tublecane August 03, 2017 6:33 PM  

Is there anyone interested watching a story about Spock's black sister? Including black people, who I trust aren't big Trekkies.

Anonymous Bz August 03, 2017 6:34 PM  

"Sonequa Martin-Green, who is now known to be Spock’s half-sister."

Mrs Spock, what have you done?? lol

Blogger Ingot9455 August 03, 2017 6:34 PM  

@3 I only know it from various jokes about why there are no Muslims in Star Trek - it's the future, but Islam is supposed to have been wiped out in the Eugenics Wars that Khan is one of the only survivors of.

So Trek has that going for it.

Anonymous BBGKB August 03, 2017 6:34 PM  

The Orville might be better than Star Trek STD, even with STD having a brown gay medical doctor married to the redhead from Rent.

the show’s producers viewed as fundamentally against Gene Roddenberry’s utopian vision of the future

I recall the original series had an Apollo god

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 03, 2017 6:35 PM  

Original Trek has a chapel on the ship and Uhura refereed to Jesus albeit indirectly as the Son of God in The Bread and Circuses episode

How much the show has fallen

That said CBS isn't confident enough to run this on network anyway and my impressions of it look like its typical prog revisionist swill

Blogger JACIII August 03, 2017 6:36 PM  

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Anonymous BBGKB August 03, 2017 6:37 PM  

Is there anyone interested watching a story about Spock's black sister? Including black people, who I trust aren't big Trekkies.

Maybe she pronounces it Spook

Blogger tublecane August 03, 2017 6:37 PM  

@1-The Farce Awakens similarly stripped the Force of spiritual meaning. I only got the old sense of mystery when the main character had visions after touching the lightsaber--which apparently is now a talisman for no reason. Otherwise, Star Wars is now devoid of spiritualism.

We're left with people doing stuff.

Anonymous Faceless August 03, 2017 6:37 PM  

Are these women going to be just another female villain like Riri Williams as Iron Heart or Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman, since the blood of untold numbers of humans, Klingons, and other federated species are clearly on the hands of these two spacefaring women leading the Discovery, who caused the war with the Klingons to break out? Hopefully they truly empower them by having them kill harmless Klingons who were not fighting back in the ultimate show of grrrl power to hurt the weak and defenseless. Maybe the women can cry about feeling empowered and relishing their gonadal power when the Discovery blows up a Klingon retiree cruise liner and sets off the bloody war.

Anonymous JLexworth August 03, 2017 6:39 PM  

"Original Trek has a chapel on the ship and Uhura refereed to Jesus albeit indirectly as the Son of God in The Bread and Circuses episode"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfTwGu9FpU

Blogger jaericho August 03, 2017 6:41 PM  

well something must change in the ten years between STD (hehe) and STTOS, Doesn't Bones say "My God Jim!" at least once an episode and several times a movie? Kirk too?

Blogger Rough Carrigan August 03, 2017 6:41 PM  

The original series had an episode where Kirk and Spock thought the natives of some planet were worshipping the sun when, holy homonyms, they realize at the end that they were saying, "the son" and Kirk says something to the effect of how great it would be to stick around and see this. The tone was pretty positive toward what was implicitly presented as a parallel Christianity. So this stuff about Gene Roddenberry being hardcore anti-christian doesn't quite square.

Blogger Chris McCullough August 03, 2017 6:43 PM  

I swear there was an episode of the original series where a Feddie stationed on a planet quotes a bible verse.

Blogger JRR August 03, 2017 6:44 PM  

I have absolutely no interest in "Star Trek: Diversity."

Blogger Nakota Publishing August 03, 2017 6:50 PM  

Even to a long-time atheist like myself the rule is absurd. The communist central planners in the Soviet Union used phrases like "God willing", ironically I assume.

Blogger tublecane August 03, 2017 6:50 PM  

@20-Not only that, but wasn't the entire plot of Star Trek 5, the Final Frontier, about searching for God?

What are these people even talking about?

Anonymous aegis-1080 August 03, 2017 6:52 PM  

@1

World of Warcraft basically turned God into The Force, with Paladins and Priests as Jedi. Can't even blame them, without any actual understanding of religion, they went to the closest thing available: Star Wars.

(Man that's depressing).

On topic: Not even as a cultural reference? They truly aren't shy about wanting to eliminate His Word from this planet, aren't they? Bunch of creepy, spiteful bastards.

Anonymous Stickwick August 03, 2017 6:56 PM  

...the series will follow Commander Michael Burnham (The Walking Dead‘s Sonequa Martin-Green), who is now known to be Spock’s half-sister.

I dunno about you guys, but I'm excited! Something tells me this is going to be a quality production focused on world building and story.

Anonymous Stickwick August 03, 2017 6:59 PM  

I'm a Trekkie and I don't apologize for it -- TOS and the first three movies were great -- but Trek jumped the shark a long time ago. This one's a hard pass.

Blogger Quilp August 03, 2017 7:00 PM  

Is the Lazarus poem going to replace the "strange new worlds" opening? Nothing is new out of Hollywood. These people have no imagination, no sense of humor, and no talent.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 03, 2017 7:01 PM  

Wait...

Commander Michael Burnham
Spock’s half-sister

I believe the term "nonplussed" would describe my face now.

Also, I finally (after 30+ years of reading SF and Fantasy) get to use that word in a sentence.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 03, 2017 7:01 PM  

Trek has always been semi communistic but now it's hardcore.

The thing is that not a single person cares anymore. The franchise is dead. And no new installments will be successful. The writing was on the wall with Enterprise. Now the coffin is getting lowered.

Kek

Blogger Mocheirge August 03, 2017 7:02 PM  

the series will follow Commander Michael Burnham... who is now known to be Spock’s half-sister.

I am sofa king confused. I think I will return to ignoring television.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 03, 2017 7:10 PM  

@32  I should check to see if any of mine still work.  I still haven't tested the DVD player.

Blogger tz August 03, 2017 7:14 PM  

Spock had a half sister? I don't want to know.
In the original, in the Romans-with-TV "Bread and Circuses" episode, near the end we have Uhura describing their broadcasts couldn't come up with an argument against the "son of God".

Anonymous Brick Hardslab August 03, 2017 7:17 PM  

Is ch going to do a trekish space opera? Not overly interested but it is a poorly served market.

Anonymous Aphelion August 03, 2017 7:18 PM  

Well at least they won't be using our Lord's name in vain. movies played a big roll in telling us we could swear in God's name but don't say s**t or f**k. The movie censors established an evil rule which led to nearly all major dramas teaching Americans to use God's name in vain, which is a sin. Saying s**t is not a sin. In fact, equivalent terms are used in the Bible.

While the new Star Trek is no doubt evil, and stupid, it will have one redeeming grace if they don't besmirch our God.

Blogger Nate73 August 03, 2017 7:21 PM  

The only episode of TNG I can recall which was *explicitly* anti-theist was "Who Watches the Watchers?", which featured a dramatic climax where Capt. Picard allows himself to be killed in order to prove that he isn't a divine being to some primitive villagers. Specifically there's a discussion about preventing them from falling back into "superstition" by believing in gods.

The funny thing about Gene is that he also believed women couldn't be captains in his Utopian future, and was constantly trying to get hot scantily-clad women into the scenes. He had an affair with Uhura (which was why she was casted), and was known as a pervert who ogled the female cast members on set (a "freaky-deaky dude"). And to top it all off, he couldn't work well with people and mostly only cared about adulation from fans. I get a strong gamma vibe from this NR piece on him: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439900/star-trek-gene-roddenberry-was-misogynistic-hack

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2017 7:21 PM  

From your linked HuffPo column, something the editor clearly missed:

According to Dr. Peter Mezan, a psychoanalyst in New York City, “There is an impulse that is common to perversion and to utopian thinking.

Truer words were never published in that online rag.

Blogger Thucydides August 03, 2017 7:25 PM  

Here's your answer: http://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes.html

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2017 7:26 PM  

The thing is that not a single person cares anymore. The franchise is dead. And no new installments will be successful. The writing was on the wall with Enterprise

Not so. ST may have Second Life as fodder for satire.

See the trailer for the upcoming tv series "The Orville."

Anonymous CitizenOutkast August 03, 2017 7:26 PM  

jaericho wrote:well something must change in the ten years between STD (hehe) and STTOS, Doesn't Bones say "My God Jim!" at least once an episode and several times a movie? Kirk too?

No. Kirk had no reason to say "My God, Jim!" at all. Although he really should have during the Mirror Universe episode. :)

Anonymous p-dawg August 03, 2017 7:27 PM  

@36: "God" is not the name of any deity, it is a generic term which means, simply, "deity". Therefore I fail to see how any use of it in conjunction with any other word could be using the Creator's name in vain. Since, you know, it's not the Creator's name. That name was intentionally obfuscated long ago to prevent its being used in vain.

Blogger Ilya Fisher August 03, 2017 7:33 PM  

Modern Star Treck iz Wreck

Blogger Matthew Funk August 03, 2017 7:34 PM  

Subcultures, of any kind of escapist related nature, tend towards anti-moralistic creeds and this might be just as much of a factor in attracting chomos as the content of the fiction itself. Moreover, (almost) all problems the crew faces come from external parties. As such, there is nothing in the way of investigators or investigations in the context of Star Trek, so I can see why the world lacking internal crime/crime fighters might appeal to one who always fears law enforcement.

To be safe, I'm not going to allow my children around anyone with a *strong* attachment to Star Trek. Casual fandom is fine, but any uberfans are going to be kept away from my children just to be safe.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 03, 2017 7:35 PM  


Not so. ST may have Second Life as fodder for satire.


I think CBS and NBC once sued second life to have the Trek and BSG role-playing taken down as copyright infringement. They thought Linden Dollars were U.S. Dollars.

Blogger Michael August 03, 2017 7:36 PM  

StarTrek is a sort of 60s utopian communist SJW paradise, complete with dictatorial military governal apparatuses in chargw of everything and everyone. That said, I never noticed or not much, maybe I even agreed with the ideals of eqalitiy and simply tolerated Token characters as they appeared. We all did. Why? Because we liked the SciFi elements and we were younger. America was still American. So? What's the harm.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 03, 2017 7:37 PM  

I always thought the SJW Federation has reeducation camps somewhere for those guilty of thought crime. We need a show about those.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright August 03, 2017 7:38 PM  

STD has been delayed for several months...due to negative fan reactions.

And, according to today's news: they have officially given permission to say God in the set.

Anonymous Steve August 03, 2017 7:39 PM  

who is now known to be Spock’s half-sister

So in addition to secretly fathering cut-rate Sean Connery lookalike Sybok, Sarek banged a shvartser.

No wonder New Spock is always punching people. He's living in an episode of the Jerry Springer Show.

Meanwhile, The episode’s writer, Kirsten Beyer looks like xe is the victim of a horrifying transporter beam malfunction involving Tim Kaine.

OpenID joeego August 03, 2017 7:44 PM  

We are to believe 150 to 200 years after the Current Year that religion (at least all human religion) is no longer prominent enough to be practiced or part of common experience for our vanguard to the stars. When religion in any form has existed much longer. When there are canonical examples later in the Trek timeline.

When does something derogatory about human religions slip in, knowingly or mistakenly? When do they have their "very special episode" that encounters an alien religion that is ridiculous in context with humans who have no connection to religion themselves?


@26 I'm OK with Warcraft's treatment of the Light. I don't think it had any affect or influence independent of those who wield it. Warcraft lore probably does Jedi better and more consistently than Star Wars.

Anonymous krymneth August 03, 2017 7:45 PM  

The really stupid thing is that in-universe, Star Trek is filled to the brim with lower-case-g gods, including quite a few that clearly have enough power that they could promise and deliver on an afterlife if they so chose, using any criteria they chose. In the Star Trek universe, to be a true atheist is basically to deny all science. Based on the sample we see from the series itself, I would estimate there are easily several hundred thousand entities in the Milky Way that would qualify as a "god" by any reasonable definition.

But really, Star Trek is in a lot of ways just out of date, and can't be resuscitated without becoming Not Star Trek anymore. It's difficult to claim one has a 23rd or 24th century "science fiction show" when our real-world technology has often passed what is on the show. Sure, we don't have FTL or transporters or replicators and the other Sci-Fi magic devices, but Star Trek now lives in a weird world where the Internet doesn't actually exist, nobody communicates or develops culture in new ways that couldn't be predicted in 1960, and when it comes down to it, everything and everybody is just another human in one form or another of makeup, even the aforementioned lower-case-g gods. The technology side of Star Trek is trite and played out, and they are utterly unable to integrate current technology realities on the social side.

It was good for its time and its medium, or at least rose to goodness in some of its episodes, but times have passed it by.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 03, 2017 7:45 PM  

Gene Roddenberry is the most overrated fraud in the history of Science Fiction and yes, I am including John Scalzi.

That's right sports fans, real heavy lifting on Star Trek was done by somebody else.

Roddenberry’s insecurities were apparent from the start. He fought with the studios, the network, the writers, anyone who crossed his path. “During the first year,” he says, “I wrote or rewrote everybody, even my best friends, because I had this idea in my mind of something that hadn’t been done and I wanted to be really there. Once we had enough episodes, then the writers could see where we were going, but it was really building people to write the way I wanted them to write.” But no one could do that. Roddenberry never stopped rewriting. “The problem,” says his biographer Joel Engel, “was that he basically couldn’t write well enough to carry it off.” For 25 years, a script never left Roddenberry’s hands without becoming worse.

Then along came the unsung hero, who is unsung because Roddenberry tried to write him out the picture in completely and in a world before the internet you could totally do that.

Gene L. Coon is the real creator of Star Trek. He was brought on board to be the show runner after Gene Roddenberry lost interest in the project.

Coon is the one who created every hallmark of Star Trek. The United Federation of Planets, the Klingon Empire. Starfleet Academy, Starfleet Command and of course KHAAAAAANN! He oversaw the second and truthfully only good season of the show.

Roddenberry couldn't forgive him for being more talented than he was. He eventually forced Coon off of the show and took credit for everything he did.

That didn't play well in certain quarters.


Anonymous Brick Hardslab August 03, 2017 7:45 PM  

You have to have permission to say, "God". Who's running the set, the min-true or a Madras?

Blogger SirHamster August 03, 2017 7:46 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:STD has been delayed for several months...

I had a double take before I understood what you were talking about.

Someone failed the acronym check. Or maybe they have a black knight or two ....

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 03, 2017 7:47 PM  

47. Skylark Thibedeau

I honestly thought about writing that.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable August 03, 2017 7:49 PM  

Meanwhile, The episode’s writer, Kirsten Beyer ...

Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve!

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 03, 2017 7:52 PM  

When they say it takes place ten years before the Original Series, we now have to ask the question, "which Original Series?"

There's two of them now.

This is the second reboot in ten years. They are getting into Spiderman territory.

Blogger Nate August 03, 2017 7:56 PM  

Star Trek has never not been shit

Blogger Peter Jackson August 03, 2017 7:57 PM  

The "commander" is a female mystery-meat named Michael. That's all you need to know.

Anonymous Raker Tooth August 03, 2017 7:57 PM  

I too consider "God" to be a title, but I don't think he's pleased with misuse of either. If people mean the awesome God who created the heavens and the earth, then that word should be held in reverence.
What really matters, is another definition of the term 'vain'; that is to claim to be a Christian, or Godly person, but not live like it. That's likely what the commandment in Exodus is referring to. See Proverbs 30:9
Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
In a society that's falling apart, this is more important than many realize.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 03, 2017 7:59 PM  

Actually if you want a look at an atheist's view of God take a look at Q.

I'm serious about that, Q was Gene Roddenberry(ATHEIST!)'s view of God. That isn't guess work on my part people who worked on the show have said that.

Q as God was an impersonal, petulant, narcissistic all powerful blowhard.

Not that different from the God in His Dark Materials. Which also featured skin crawling pedophilia now that I think of it.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar August 03, 2017 8:00 PM  

Star Trek envisions the triumph of benevolent socialism to people on the left.

I preferred the mish-mash religion in Firefly to this Godless mess.

It's a wonder that there is no recurring theme of mutiny every time the redshirts were ordered to join a landing party.

Blogger Ingot9455 August 03, 2017 8:02 PM  

@47 They do have reeducation camps. After they capture Harvey Mudd the first time, Kirk specifically lets him go because, "It would be a shame to waste a mind like that in a reeducation center. "

Blogger Admiral James August 03, 2017 8:18 PM  

This should seal the doom of Star Trek.
It was already going down on popularity after the initial revival from the first " reboot'
There is less and less Star Trek Merchandise as it is
They will go the way of Monzilla Firefox

Anonymous Steve August 03, 2017 8:19 PM  

I always thought the SJW Federation has reeducation camps somewhere for those guilty of thought crime. We need a show about those.

This would be so much win.

I thought FIREFLY, for all Joss Whedon's gamma shitlibbery and strong grrrl fetishism, was a pretty good take on what the Federation would actually be like.

Petty bureaucrats imposing their inane rules "for your own good", whether you like it or not... in space!

Star Trek is just the UFP's version of Pravda, making their lycra-clad goons and minions out to be heroes and geniuses. But they weren't, were they?

Picard: pompous slaphead who repeatedly got clowned on his own ship by Q, allowed himself to be captured at least twice - one of those times saw him giving vital intelligence to the Borg and lead directly to the deaths of millions of Federation citizens and servicemen.

Riker: apparently this guy was offered his own command, but turned it down. That's a huge red flag right there, but it gets worse. He stuffed himself with space doughnuts until potatohead O'Brien had to grease the Jeffries tubes, and let his dopey girlfriend cuck him with Worf. Whenever you saw Riker interact with fellow crewmen it was just awkward and unpleasant, he's a weird, insecure, unlikeable fatbeard who keeps annoying the crew with his shitty saxophone like he's Bill Clinton or something. Even his own dad hated him.

Worf: the special needs Klingon, too stupid to live. A badass in his own mind who kept losing fist fights and could be easily tricked by small children or Data's cat. No wonder the other Klingons wouldn't let poor Worfy join in any Klingon games.

Dr Crusher: if she was such a good doctor, why was her husband dead? Check and mate. Spawned Wil Wheaton and had space sex with a space ghost that had previously serviced her grandmother. I'm not sure which is more shameful.

Data: autistic RealDoll who should've been recycled as something marginally more useful, such as a vending machine selling jumbo-sized adult diapers to David Gerrold.

Geordi LaForge: handicapped sex-pest who cyberstalked the woman who designed the Enterprise and only avoided an HR investigation because he's black.

This was, mind you, the finest crew in Starfleet, which leads me to deduce the other ships were full of window-licking retards like Janeway.

Blogger John Calabro August 03, 2017 8:20 PM  

Hey Vox I spoke to Gardner Goldsmith a few years. He wrote a couple of episodes on star trek voyager, remember him telling me about there being no money in the Star Trek federation. So the Show is not only for Atheist but also for Marxist (they might be one and the same). It is a Humanist religion

From the https://atlassociety.org/commentary/commentary-blog/4746-why-is-there-no-money-in-star-trek "...he told me about Gene Roddenberry, creator of the original show, “stipulated before he died that there was to be no money in the Federation .” Roddenberry apparently believed that in the future, “mankind would have evolved past the need for money,” and that “humanism would strip mankind of the acquisitive tendencies it had shown throughout history, and that the use of money was a vice.”

Blogger Cail Corishev August 03, 2017 8:21 PM  

This is funny, because they've been talking about how they're staying away from the Roddenberry vision of an "enlightened" crew that gets along, because nowadays everything has to be gritty and characters have to be at each others' throats all the time. I guess some parts of the Roddenberry vision are still okay though, like the pushy atheism.

I don't see any way this can fail to be bad. Trek has been patting itself on the back for 50 years for the progressive move of putting a black woman on the bridge. But to stand out as progressive today, you'd have to go full-bore SJW to an extent that would alienate 90% of the audience. No way will they do that, so SJWs will be disappointed: "Oh sure, there's a black lesbian captain, but I was hoping for a transgender Muslim with three husbands of different species. This is weak." And diehard Trekkies don't sound interested either. Who else is there?

Blogger Admiral James August 03, 2017 8:26 PM  

While they are taping?

Anonymous Nathan August 03, 2017 8:29 PM  

Hmmm...

What might a fork of Trek look like? A serious one, not the Orville, Galaxy Quest, or Redshirts.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 03, 2017 8:37 PM  

The original series was good, the screenplays were written by authors who would dominate ST in the 70s and 80s. TNG...not so much. The rest I lost interest in.

As to money, that was something they could really have played with. You've got a replicator - and can produce just about anything at negligible cost. What happens? Does theft become a crime of malice rather than profit? Is bribery possible? Can the characters even emotionally GET theft? Doc Smith touched on this lightly in "Skylark DuQuesne", and did more in a page than the Star Trek franchise did in 20+ seasons.

Enterprise COULD have been good, IF they had smashed the mold. No transporter, no subspace radio, no aliens in the crew, and no STUN setting on phasers. Make the characters do it the hard way. But the producers couldn't avoid going back to the same old tripe.

Oh, well. I'm working on writing SF myself. You, too, can join the Space Guard...if you can find a recruiter. :)

Blogger Cail Corishev August 03, 2017 8:42 PM  

The Klingon and Bajoran religions were big topics throughout TNG and DS9.

Yes, alien religions were respected. But that made the absence of any human religion that much more noticeable. Trek from TNG on treated human religion the way Dawkins discovered his leftist friends treat Christianity: other religions get respect, just not that one.

So this stuff about Gene Roddenberry being hardcore anti-christian doesn't quite square.

TNG was his first chance to do the show he really wanted to do. Here's what Ron Moore said when someone pitched him a couple episodes centered around religion, and not even a human one:

"Ron's response was that something to the effect that (and this is NOT an exact quote), 'In Gene Roddenberry's universe, people will have outgrown religion and the problems it causes and live without the need for it.'"

And that's exactly how Picard talked about it on the show. Someone said he spoke ambiguously about religion a couple times, but I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't recall that. The one everyone remembers is Who Watches the Watchers. It's the favorite episode of every atheist who grew up a fan, because he gives an impassioned Picard Speech to keep a planet from falling back into religion, which he calls the dark ages of superstition and fear and says humanity has evolved beyond.

There's another one where they find a planet of primitive people who worship a god who turns out to be an advanced alien, but not more advanced than the crew. Picard finds a way to cheat the Prime Directive so he can expose the alien's true nature. Now, on other occasions, he's been willing to let entire planets die rather than bend the Prime Directive. But letting a planet worship a false god was worse.

It was a fun show with some good, even great episodes throughout the first three series. But religion wasn't its strong suit; and TNG, Roddenberry's baby, had contempt for it.

Blogger tz August 03, 2017 8:42 PM  

@66 DS9 had "gold pressed latinum" and I remember references to things like "transporter credits" so cadets could go home on holiday.

If there is scarcity, there will be an economy. Either a dictator (even some AI computer, which it wasn't sufficient), or a market. If it wasn't a market, Mises observation applies.

I wonder how much of the war debt of the UFP v.s. the Dominion is owed to the Ferengi. They probably hold the mortgages on half the planets.

Anonymous whodunnit? August 03, 2017 8:44 PM  

That am a fact.

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 03, 2017 8:44 PM  

Steve wrote:Meanwhile, The episode’s writer, Kirsten Beyer looks like xe is the victim of a horrifying transporter beam malfunction involving Tim Kaine.

Steve brings the Meme fodder.

Blogger Gordon August 03, 2017 8:47 PM  

Yeah, Roddenberry thought we would evolve into not needing money....Bob Justman and Herb Solow discovered, after TOS ended, that Roddenberry had submitted vouchers to be paid for every single rewrite he ever did. As producer, he should have done a fair amount as part of the job, not be paid for every word. Roddenberry was not only doing Uhura, he was doing Nurse Chapel (and his wife, presumably). They tell story about how one night he had managed to seduce his secretary when Majel Barrett (Chapel) was heard coming in the back door of his office, and his wife was coming in the front door.

Blogger dfordoom August 03, 2017 8:56 PM  

@37. Nate73

The funny thing about Gene is that he also believed women couldn't be captains in his Utopian future

So he wasn't completely crazy. A feminist-free future does sound pretty utopian to me.

The future portrayed in the original series wasn't entirely bad. No feminism. No homosexuals (I assume that a cure had been found). No mention of democracy. Basically Old School communism, but with religion vaguely tolerated. And with mini-skirts!

The Next Generation was awful. And it just kept getting worse.

Blogger Dane Parker August 03, 2017 9:04 PM  

Yet the Enterprise somehow ends up with a chapel. And even later Captain Sisko is joyfully impressed that his father could quote from the Bible.

Star Trek Discovery is not writing Star Trek, it is overwriting it. Berman and Braga were so egregious in doing this with the technological and previously established canonical aspects in Star Trek Enterprise that it was only the introduction to Manny Coto's fresh writing and ability to creatively reestablish continuity that the show was given two more seasons of life. Otherwise Enterprise would have been a two-season show.

Blogger Admiral James August 03, 2017 9:04 PM  

This should seal the doom of Star Trek.
It was already going down on popularity after the initial revival from the first " reboot'
There is less and less Star Trek Merchandise as it is
They will go the way of Monzilla Firefox

Blogger en_forcer August 03, 2017 9:06 PM  

Just watched the trailer. That was awful. Probably have a big opening and then rapidly declining viewership in the following episodes.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan August 03, 2017 9:10 PM  

Okay so when I read the title of the dark stream I cracked up laughing I'll admit it.

It's already getting weird. It will get weirder. Commander Burnham? Sounds to me like bun im ham or ham in bun.

If we haven't had it already I'm sure there will be a USS Farragut, which strangely sounds like USS Faggot. Guided by Helmsman Lt. Harry Felthistaint, of course.

Anonymous Mandos August 03, 2017 9:12 PM  

WoW replaced what could have been Tolkien-B tier lore with prog-pandering empty BS. It's too bad, Chris Metzen was a good guy.

Blogger Rodger James August 03, 2017 9:15 PM  

OK, I don't get the pedophile remark.

I will not watch it because it is so far from human nature it's simply not worth the time I would waste. The science of physics may evolve, but human nature appears to be fixed unless of course CRISPR changes that.

I have totally given up on TV of late. I can't even stand the converged commercials.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 03, 2017 9:17 PM  

That's too bad, because Jason Isaacs is a terrific actor, good at any role he takes on. You should see him in 'Peter Pan' (2003) - there's never been a better Captain Hook/Mr. Darling.

I never thought about the money aspect of Star Trek. What always annoyed me was the holodeck. For one thing, the damn thing seemed to malfunction more often than not, to the point where you wonder why Picard didn't simply order them to unplug it and put an 'Out Of Order' sign permanently on the door. Also, people were using it for the most unlikely things: whitewater rafting programs, Sam Spade mysteries, and other pastimes, when you just KNOW that 99% of the time they'd really be using it for porn.

Blogger The Morrigan August 03, 2017 9:19 PM  

Matthews kinda went nuts from investigating cheese pizza so I'm not sure of the PedoTrek thing.

I did have a former friend who always used to tell me about the time she was propositioned in Times Square on the way to a Trek Convention though. She was 15 and she took a little more pride in it than I cared to examine.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 03, 2017 9:23 PM  

This show will never really air anyways. Netflix has rights and is not happy with all the delays and rewrites.

It'll go under thanks to massive infighting.

Blogger gnossoss August 03, 2017 9:25 PM  

What I find most depressing is realizing -- it was always this. TOS was the same as this, it's just they couldn't get away with as much at the time. If they could have they would have.

They had to provide stories of a certain level of quality in order to slip the propaganda in. Now they control everything so they can just do the propaganda with the thinnest veneer of entertainment.

It's sad to realize it: they've always hated us. Star Trek was always this. They were against us all along. The flavor I enjoyed so much was the flavor of poisoned sweets.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 03, 2017 9:28 PM  

This show is going to be a train wreck.

Good.

Blogger dfordoom August 03, 2017 9:32 PM  

@86. gnossoss

It's sad to realize it: they've always hated us. Star Trek was always this. They were against us all along. The flavor I enjoyed so much was the flavor of poisoned sweets.

One of the downsides to becoming red-pilled is that you realise that practically all of the pop culture you used to love was filled with toxic political propaganda. Including a good deal of science fiction.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 03, 2017 9:32 PM  

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Blogger Aeoli Pera August 03, 2017 9:33 PM  

If you think anything is about anything but God, you're deluding yourself.

Blogger Timmy3 August 03, 2017 9:34 PM  

The show already features an Asian woman who can't speak. Her accent is almost impossible to decipher.

STTNG in one episode had them saying old beliefs were overcome.

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Anonymous Man of the Atom August 03, 2017 9:39 PM  

ST:D is Paul Feig.
Paul Feig is Cancer.
. . .
So, Don't get Cancer.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 03, 2017 9:40 PM  

Rodger James wrote:OK, I don't get the pedophile remark.
Police noticed many years ago a disturbing correspondence between being a serious pedophile, the kind with dozens of hundred of victims, and being a Trekkie.

Walter Breen comes to mind.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 03, 2017 9:40 PM  

This is retarded. I know for a fact that there was AT LEAST one episode that featured part of the ancient Greek Pantheon in the original show.

There were actual physical gods in more than one episode of the original Star Trek series (granted... I read the serialized novel version rather than watching the episodes... my imagination is better than SFX drawn in with what appears to be crayon and magic markers...).

This writer ought to be fired for not knowing shizz about the universe she's supposed to be writing, let alone all the other things she ought to be fired for.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 03, 2017 9:48 PM  

What I find most depressing is realizing -- it was always this.

I pointed out to someone the other day that, if we'd had the Internet and social media in the 1960s, we surely would have heard all about the "brave" choice of a black woman on the bridge until we were sick of it. Then again when they had a black/white kiss, and every other ideological point they stuck in. We have to hear SJW creators brag/threaten about everything they shove into shows now; back then we didn't hear about it until years later.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 03, 2017 9:50 PM  

Star Trek Discovery, is it? Have they settled on a subtitle yet?

I'm thinking that either "STD: the Origins of the Poz" or "STD: How the Poz Began" might do it.

Blogger Orville August 03, 2017 9:56 PM  

Good one Steve. I laughed so hard I cried.

Riker: apparently this guy was offered his own command, but turned it down. That's a huge red flag right there, but it gets worse. He stuffed himself with space doughnuts until potatohead O'Brien had to grease the Jeffries tubes, and let his dopey girlfriend cuck him with Worf. Whenever you saw Riker interact with fellow crewmen it was just awkward and unpleasant, he's a weird, insecure, unlikeable fatbeard who keeps annoying the crew with his shitty saxophone like he's Bill Clinton or something. Even his own dad hated him.

Anonymous krymneth August 03, 2017 9:56 PM  

Nathan wrote:What might a fork of Trek look like? A serious one, not the Orville, Galaxy Quest, or Redshirts.

Part of the motivation of my comment above is that while I promise nothing (and "krymneth" is a burner nym attached to nothing else anyhow so none of you could hold me to this anyway), I'm trying to write something that sort of gestated as "let's try to revive the good parts of Star Trek".

But the problem Star Trek has is that is that it's socially defunct. Think about it. I could honestly see it as a serious effort from someone to imagine a future from 1960. The someone in question is a Marxist who really has enough evidence to know better, and they've got some Sci Fi Magic in there, but, OK, sure. Who among us could really call 300 years in the future anyhow?

The 23rd century may not literally have Facebook; in fact I'd make a good case that it will on the whole have been considered a mistake, or at best, a very early iteration of its ultimate form(s). But it will certainly have something unlike what someone in 1960 could have imagined. Modern-day governance is already more strongly impacted by the capabilities of computing than the Federation seems to be, which is basically a 1960s bureaucracy writ large. And while, as I said, Gene really already had enough data to realize Marxism was unlikely to happen, does the Federation's social organization seem even remotely likely to happen anymore? An alt-right-er laughs at the idea because of all the reasons any long-time reader of this blog could fill in. A leftwinger in the 21st century should be despairing of the idea that such a society could exist without all those rotten Trumpers bringing it down. There should be virtually nobody right now who would believe in that.

(So, what are the good parts of TOS I see as worth salvaging? The tone of the original series for dealing with a universe that was still much bigger than our heros. (Note how this fades as the franchise putatively moves into the past.) The id/ego/superego McCoy/Kirk/Spock mechanism for dealing with the manifest moral conundrums that result from dealing with this new world. Being a universe that wasn't monolithically pessimistic. Basically, pretty much nothing you'd expect out of a modern Hollywood script writer, where as a doctrinaire Leftist they have all the answers and it is the universe's job to conform, and indeed, teach the remaining Deplorables about the inevitable and total black-and-white moral correctness of the leftist. Strong characters who aren't in conflict simply because "good shows have conflict, which is a lot of yelling at each other". And still often a lot of pessimism despite the triumph of leftism, an intriguing needle they manage to thread. (Subconscious recognition of the absurdity of their own belief structure, perhaps.))

Blogger Geir Balderson August 03, 2017 10:00 PM  

Diversity, the final frontier! These are the embarrassing strolls of Affirmative Action! The never ending mission to seek out homophobes, racists and conservatives everywhere! Then, phaser them to piles of ash!

Blogger Orville August 03, 2017 10:00 PM  

And speaking of the "Orville" at first I thought it might be "A Million Ways to Die in Space" horrible. But if they turn it into a parody of all the stupid shit in Star Trek then it might be good.

Anonymous krymneth August 03, 2017 10:01 PM  

Oh, and just, computers in general continue to be something that Star Trek can't handle, its origins having been in the 1960s. Augmented and Virtual Reality are both already much farther along than anything you see in the show, and they're both babies right now.

You might think the Holodeck would supercede those things, but it's treated as this separate magic thing and used in very stereotypical ways for story purposes, rather than the billion-and-one uses it would be put to for real. Or, if it's just too complicated and energetically-intensive for that, well, we're back to VR and AR; with the force field projectors Star Trek has demonstrated, every person should have constant access to "all the holodeck they personally need" because it's a trivial outgrowth of the tech we see. But it's not there, because Star Trek came of age in an era that didn't really get how computers interact with the social world.

Blogger tuberman August 03, 2017 10:04 PM  

Everything is SO openly converged on TV and in movies today, it is a full coming out party. Yuck!

I never paid much attention to Star Trek, so I never looked closely or analysed pajama suits. I enjoyed SF like Heinlein, E.E. Doc Smith, and Edgar Rice Burroughs in my youth, as they were secret escapes into fascist thoughts away from my blue collar leftist upbringing.

Blogger Orville August 03, 2017 10:04 PM  

Oh and the remake of "Death Wish" is being hailed as fascist and alt-right by all the neckbeards who don't even know what fascism is. The previews on Youtube look promising. They may have the alt-right part right though. Will have to wait and see the full movie.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 03, 2017 10:04 PM  

I know for a fact that there was AT LEAST one episode that featured part of the ancient Greek Pantheon in the original show.

Yes, but Apollo's power came from technology, and went away when the crew destroyed his temple. I always thought the implication of that episode and others like it was that the Greek gods were really Sufficiently Advanced Aliens LARPing as gods.

Trek frequently addressed the issue of gods, but usually by showing them to be nothing more than powerful aliens, like Q messing with lesser beings for sport, or the Bajoran Prophets who were really aliens living in a wormhole. Sometimes powerful enough to seem like gods, but still entirely part of the natural universe. I'm not sure Trek ever recognized anything like the Christian idea of God as truly supernatural.

Blogger tz August 03, 2017 10:07 PM  

Note how the god-emperor is happy to invoke God, have bible studies in the white house, and do the cultural and religious symbols. See the WV rally.

Compare the lefty-behind anti-christs

Blogger MJ Meyers August 03, 2017 10:08 PM  

Talk about burying the lead in the blogpost. That hyperlink connecting Star Trek to pedophiles was darkly entertaining to read. I was like, "No. Vox must be banting with a little hyperbole. *click* ... whhuuhh? I mean... I'm not entirely surprised but..."

Blogger Orville August 03, 2017 10:08 PM  

Tuberman, not to pick on you, but you just illustrated my point by saying Heinlein was an escape into fascist thoughts. That's not Heinlein at all. People are using the word fascist when the mean to say masculine, independent men who won't take shit off any man, woman or bug from the sky.

Blogger Matthew August 03, 2017 10:16 PM  

The only good Star Trek is The Motion Picture. Everything else is goony garbage.

Blogger tz August 03, 2017 10:18 PM  

Star Trek forked? Orville. ... first as tragedy, then as farce.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 03, 2017 10:18 PM  

But the problem Star Trek has is that is that it's socially defunct. Think about it. I could honestly see it as a serious effort from someone to imagine a future from 1960.

Yes. In the 1960s, lots of people were smoking dope and saying things like, "Man, someday we won't use money anymore, and people will do their jobs for the love of their fellow man, and there will be peace on earth so we can travel to the stars together...." "Groovy...."

Who today can buy that we're going to "evolve" to anything like that in 300 years, if ever? We'll probably be lucky if we haven't devolved back to mud huts by then.

Also, a lot of that stuff was fine as background, to handwave away questions like, "So who's paying for all these ships and the fuel?" "It's a post-scarcity society. Just go with it and enjoy the adventure." "Okay then." But now shows have to be gritty and "realistic," so if you include something like that you're going to have to explain it, and it never made sense and can't.

Blogger tuberman August 03, 2017 10:20 PM  

108. Orville

There ya go ruining it for me, as I figured (back them), that I was rebelling against my roots. My parents, even in those days would have thought those three were fash. I also never told them about my Jap friend that I played chess and checkers with at age 10, and he told me, "I'm a fascist," but all I cared about was his game playing abilities.

I use to make up stories about Viking wars and fighting, although I had never read any Viking myths until years after making those stories up. The whole man/warlord thing seems part of genes.

Blogger Rough Carrigan August 03, 2017 10:31 PM  

Orville. Yeah, it's being called fascist by people who support overbearing big business power, overbearing authoritarian government and their coordination or the literal definition of fascism.

Is the lack of self awareness always so ironic?

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 03, 2017 10:32 PM  

Speaking of going full-retard, looks like SBC has done it.

Blogger Orville August 03, 2017 10:32 PM  

Yeah the stuff we pick up as kids! But you still liked reading about masculine, independent men who won't take shit off any man, woman or bug from the sky.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 03, 2017 10:33 PM  

Utopia. All these thousands of repetitions of the word, and still somehow 95+% of them have yet to recognize that the word itself is a pun about the very concept being quite literally impossible.

And yes, Star Trek was always set in a communist or semi-post-communist utopian (for humanity at least) universe. If you could overlook that, it did have a lot of nifty stuff. I'd actually compare it somewhat to the three Vincent van Vogt books I've read, except Vogt tended to have solitary (ish) heroes that were much more (emotionally cold) determinators (he also tended to have a twistier and somewhat scientifically "harder" plot).

"Is there anyone interested watching a story about Spock's black sister? Including black people, who I trust aren't big Trekkies. "

Stah Trek... aint tha some ol' corneh why boi shid? Shit's aincien' historee boi.

"Doesn't Bones say "My God Jim!" at least once an episode and several times a movie? Kirk too?"

McCoy definitely does. Not sure about Kirk.

"I recall the original series had an Apollo god"

As a hyper-advanced space alien indistinguishable from a physical god, but yes. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

"Commander Michael Burnham
Spock’s half-sister

I believe the term "nonplussed" would describe my face now."


And you missed the "Played by Sonequa" Part. Not only is it a tranny of some sort, but it's a black one.

"The funny thing about Gene is that he also believed women couldn't be captains in his Utopian future, and was constantly trying to get hot scantily-clad women into the scenes."

The term "Bridge Bunny." came from Star Trek. Full stop.

On that note, I don't think that's exactly a gamma. I don't know what that is. Maybe some kind of sigma with low sexual standards, or a perverted delta or beta? Who knows.

"You have to have permission to say, "God". Who's running the set, the min-true or a Madras?"

Obviously Minitru.

"This is funny, because they've been talking about how they're staying away from the Roddenberry vision of an "enlightened" crew that gets along,"

Spock vs. McCoy? Anyone? They were all but physically at each others throats (and sometimes physically too) in many, many, many episodes.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 03, 2017 10:33 PM  

"I wonder how much of the war debt of the UFP v.s. the Dominion is owed to the Ferengi"

Considering the Ferengi are quite literally Jews in space, safest bet is all of it.

"They tell story about how one night he had managed to seduce his secretary when Majel Barrett (Chapel) was heard coming in the back door of his office, and his wife was coming in the front door."

I don't know what the truck that is, but it still doesn't seem gamma to me. Some type of Alpha with heavy mental retardation maybe.

"One of the downsides to becoming red-pilled is that you realise that practically all of the pop culture you used to love was filled with toxic political propaganda. Including a good deal of science fiction."

Basically all of the science fiction I ever read, actually. I had C.S. Lewis, a single semi-ok story from one other guy I forget, and everything else was Agnostic-ish at best. Now I've got several better options since I've actually started looking.

"Police noticed many years ago a disturbing correspondence between being a serious pedophile, the kind with dozens of hundred of victims, and being a Trekkie."

This is probably tied in with utopian thinking, as someone else already pointed out. You think the world should be this fantastic, paradisical place, and then you start to grow up, and... it's not, and that resentment and longing just kind of... fester. For those who don't have Christianity pulling, and pulling hard, it doesn't surprise me in the least that they would go down the filthy perversions track. I'd be lying if I could say I hadn't seen it happen firsthand and felt the tug. If that longing isn't turned toward God, it's guaranteed to go some place nasty. Twisted desires...

That being said, from what I can tell, pretty much everyone has some of these things somewhere in their closet. Utopian thinkers just seem to have less inhibitions about letting them out.

Blogger Darwinian Arminian August 03, 2017 10:35 PM  

Heh. I always thought the part about Roddenberry believing we'd evolve out of needing money was hilarious because he had an almost legendary reputation on the show for screwing people out of both cash and credit. One of the best stories with this involves the opening credits theme song for the original series, which Roddenberry officially co-wrote. If you're surprised to learn that he had musical talent that's only because he really didn't; Alexander Courage had been hired to produce the theme, but after he'd completed it, Roddenberry went behind his back and slapped together a truly awful set of lyrics for it before it was sent to the publishers. Why? Because being listed as a co-writer would legally entitle him to 50% of any royalties the music received. One of the show's producers confronted him about it when he'd learned what happened and recalled that Roddenberry just shrugged and said, "I certainly won't be making any money off of the episodes for this show, so I've got to get it somewhere!"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 03, 2017 10:42 PM  

Rough Carrigan wrote:Is the lack of self awareness always so ironic?
Often, but not always.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 03, 2017 10:43 PM  

"Yes, but Apollo's power came from technology, and went away when the crew destroyed his temple."

That's not how I remember it. I remember them thinking that that was the solution, and it not being good enough to stop him (because he had other temples, or something, I forget) but his girlfriend (read: rape victim) managed to talk him down, appealing to his humanity, her being pregnant and all... then he basically suicided by dissipating on the wind in true mystical godly fashion.

Even then, there were many, many times the Enterprise encountered aliens so advanced and powerful that for all intents and purposes they were omnipotent gods. That they were supposedly tech-powered doesn't (as I think Vox will agree, based on his arguments in "On the Existence of gods") really enter into the discussion of whether they were, by definition, gods or not.

Blogger Ron August 03, 2017 10:43 PM  

@Steve

you permanently destroyed star trek for me.

Thank you so much!

Blogger Feather Blade August 03, 2017 10:44 PM  

Commander Michael Burnham (The Walking Dead‘s Sonequa Martin-Green), who is now known to be Spock’s half-sister.

Frigging fan-fic writers, can't even come up with an original idea.

So, still half-Vulcan, also has a human mother named Amanda, (maybe Sarek just had a thing for that particular name?) also raised on Vulcan, but with a human name.

Wasn't Spock supposed to have been bullied and slightly out-caste for his heritage?

Let me guess, half-sister is beloved by all despite her human heritage, and has color-changing eyes and hair too.

Stupid.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 03, 2017 10:53 PM  

"Wasn't Spock supposed to have been bullied and slightly out-caste for his heritage?"

He was in the new reboot movies. It wasn't really clear in the original series. He definitely felt a bit uncomfortable about it himself, but I read that off as mostly introspection.

"Let me guess, half-sister is beloved by all despite her human heritage, and has color-changing eyes and hair too." It's almost as if you've read Twilight. Or perhaps one of its somehow more damned offshoots or progenitors.

Blogger Rodger James August 03, 2017 11:04 PM  

Thanks for the clarification Whiplash. It is sad to know this.

I grew up watching Star Trek with my mom. My dad wasn't really a science fiction fan. I have mostly enjoyed the Star Trek series. Those episodes that are mostly preaching SJW shit I simply avoid.

I don't think the SJWs will get their wish for the success of this next series. People are getting fed up with the preaching, and are now so many alternatives to TV programming.

Blogger Ron August 03, 2017 11:11 PM  

ST:TOS was appealing because at the heart of it, it was about 1960's men taking on the galaxy. This was after WW2 and the Korean war, when American men were realizing their dreams of Manifest Destiny under a Pax Americana.

No series reboot after that could capture that spirit, because the Leftists who would try to reboot the series had lost much of the character qualities that made the original series interesting. As a basic example, Kirk would regularly dominate and seduce space babes. He did this as a man, and it was understood that this was how a man acted, and that women loved it. Later series you would never see this because the writers themselves had degenerated into beta/gamma faggots.

And their degeneracy with regard to sexual mores also spread to everything else they did, and so nothing in the newer series could capture that heart racing excitement and intrigue which the TOS could do.

Anonymous paradox August 03, 2017 11:15 PM  

While Star Trek STD won't mention God. The Orville will mention God in the most petulant atheist way possible. Orville after all is Seth MacFarlane's baby.

Anonymous Stickwick August 03, 2017 11:23 PM  

Matthew: The only good Star Trek is The Motion Picture. Everything else is goony garbage.

My all-time favorite movie.

Anonymous Koanic August 03, 2017 11:27 PM  

My problems with Star Trek:

1. Planets aren't defensible. Just accelerate an asteroid to relativistic speeds, then warp it in.
2. Talking meat can't fight post-Singularity Borg.
3. Hauling human bodies into interstellar flight is as absurd as launching a room-sized mechanical computer to the moon on an Apollo rocket.
4. There are no niggers in space, and there should be way more Chinese than whites.

Blogger Cloudbuster August 03, 2017 11:38 PM  

I turned away in scorn at "Sonequa."

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados August 03, 2017 11:55 PM  

I watched the trailer for this last week and it looked like garbage. I loved TOS, TNG and DS9. It's pretty clear that the people that are making this show didn't really watch the old ones, or perhaps didn't watch DS9, since DS9 did actual deal with religion at times and didn't do it in a condescending manner.

It's also kind of funny that TNG had an episode about giving in to hysteria and not using irrational fear as justification for a witch hunt or assuming people are guilty until proven innocent.

But this new show just looks like garbage through and through. It'll likely have the cringe preachiness of early TNG. I feel bad for Jason Issacs, he's a good actor, it sucks that he's going to be in a show whose writers are more interested in politics than in creating science fiction.

Blogger DonReynolds August 04, 2017 12:00 AM  

"....a deity, which the show’s producers viewed as fundamentally against Gene Roddenberry’s utopian vision of the future."

Since WHEN have the producers been at all faithful to Gene Roddenberry or the original Star Trek or his imagined utopia?

I have not seen every episode but I distinctly remember asides in the original series where Dr. McCoy described the limits of his very advanced medicine as being a matter for God to decide.

Perhaps Spock can retain his spirituality, since it is not Christian. I seem to recall Spock being pulled away from his career with Star Fleet by his calling to his faith and what seriously appears to him being ORDAINED in his own faith. No, he was not just a teacher.

I also recall Captain Kirk and Mr. Scott reserving the impossible tasks for the Almighty in several urgent moments in the original series. Not being particularly religious myself, especially in those days, I am certain it was not wishful thinking on my part. It was likely very much a part of Gene Roddenberry's human experience, which the new producers want to prune away.

Personally, I lost interest in Star Trek when they decided to become politically correct. Anything less than mostly white guys in space is unrealistic. Whether they will be speaking in Russian or English , remains to be seen.

Anonymous Stickwick August 04, 2017 12:06 AM  

DonReynolds: Whether they will be speaking in Russian or English , remains to be seen.

In the Red Dwarf future universe, it's English and Esperanto. In the Firefly future universe, it's English and Chinese. Personally, my money's on Esperanto making a comeback. Mia ŝvebŝipo plenas je angiloj!

OpenID frankluke August 04, 2017 12:10 AM  

From where the sun now stands, I shall watch no new Trek forever!

Blogger rcocean August 04, 2017 12:18 AM  

Roddenberry more or less expected mankind - sorry, "Humankind" - by the 24th century to have evolved into 20 Billion Gene Roddenberry's. I.e. nice, atheist liberals, who liked to fuck, hated racial bigotry, take drugs, and wipe out anyone who didn't.

The "Bread and Circuses" episode was co-written by Gene Coon, a quasi-conservative,and done to please the audience and use the studio's Roman Empire Props.

The NBC, the 1960s audience, the critics, and the other writers, contained Roddenberry from being too weird and leftist. TNG is more true to his original vision.

Anonymous FP August 04, 2017 12:20 AM  

Its hilarious that CBS thinks that it will get enough people interested by releasing the first episode of STD on broadcast tv but all the rest will be on their online netflix like network for a fee.

Netflix apparently bought the rights to air it everywhere else in the world and is not too happy with the product/rumors going around.

Blogger rcocean August 04, 2017 12:20 AM  

The 1977 Star Trek movie with weird bald chick (that Gene Roddenberry thought was super-hot) was a bore and a box office bomb. Primarily because Roddenberry was in charge and free of constraints that kept him sane and normal in TOS.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 04, 2017 12:24 AM  

Koanic wrote:My problems with Star Trek:

1. Planets aren't defensible. Just accelerate an asteroid to relativistic speeds, then warp it in.

2. Talking meat can't fight post-Singularity Borg.

3. Hauling human bodies into interstellar flight is as absurd as launching a room-sized mechanical computer to the moon on an Apollo rocket.

4. There are no niggers in space, and there should be way more Chinese than whites.


A basically agree though the Chinese p aren't big on colonizing things not like Westerners

While there almost certainly never be a star age (unless by some miracle the new Dark age doesn't occur and the EM drive is real) a "real" one would be mostly Anglo Saxon and religious , more likely an MSEV "William Clayton" or VSCV "Deus Volt" or something
Its vaguely possible there could be Heathens and Christians and other groups as well.

Even if the tech is there somehow , the odds of a "Stellar Society" are slight. Its far easier to make asteroid defense than spaceships , space colonies cost far too much

On top of that, any society falling apart ala Firefly won't be able to do it and any society up to the task won't need to. Its not hard to get population levels stable among smart people and a future with a nice stable population of say billion 25% of it White could manage the task, it won't need to or likely want to

No matter what it won't be atheist though unless that is a fad at the time and as religious people have higher fertility rates and are more tolerant of risk , that gene is liable to be stronger

Blogger rcocean August 04, 2017 12:24 AM  

50 years after the TOS, we're still seeing new star trek shows - which is a sign that pop culture is dead. No society with a healthy culture keeps re-visiting the same crap, year after year for 50 years.

Something is definitely wrong. Or maybe we have the wrong people in charge.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados August 04, 2017 12:25 AM  

If you haven't seen Babylon 5, some of it's most powerful episodes are religious-themed, and usually in a positive manner. And the guy that made the show is an atheist (and hates academia and the media).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaSmassvv4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zly_tL5mMc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8vA0ANTUM0

It's very much worth watching, first time we really got to see realistic space travel in three dimensions as well.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 04, 2017 12:26 AM  

rcocean wrote:The 1977 Star Trek movie with weird bald chick (that Gene Roddenberry thought was super-hot) was a bore and a box office bomb. Primarily because Roddenberry was in charge and free of constraints that kept him sane and normal in TOS.

Persis Khambatta was hot though, better with hair but with refined enough features to look OK bald

Anonymous Thales August 04, 2017 12:34 AM  

youtu.be/8Efi75W5U1Q?t=37s

Blogger Elder Son August 04, 2017 1:03 AM  

What did you expect when TP'sTB, and the Pope™, plan a full demon, er alien disclosure, and proclaim them your sky-gods and universal brothers.

What is it ya'll say? They always project.

Blogger DJ|Bonky August 04, 2017 1:11 AM  

What about the gods and religion of DS9? A whole season was practically dedicated to that. And GR's original vision? C'mon. One of the most famous episodes of TOS was about a tribal people group in opposition to a Roman-esque authority. Kirk and Co. were certain this people group were Sun worshippers. It turns out they weren't talking about the Sun but instead The Son.

Progressive revisionism strikes again.

Blogger DJ|Bonky August 04, 2017 1:14 AM  

You beat me to it...lol.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 04, 2017 1:27 AM  

The good parts of TOS? The sense of adventure and the superversive notion that "we" are better than "them." Even if "we" was a hodge-podge of ethnicities, it was still pretty clear that the nation of humans was better than the nation of Klingons, or Romulans, or even Vulcans. Those other races may have had their good points, may have been worthy of respect in their own way, but TOS made it pretty clear our race was still better, even if we weren't perfect.

As to Roddenberry being a Gamma, puh-lease. Dude was a bomber pilot in the war, an airline pilot after it, and banged a seemingly endless supply of hot chicks through his life. He might have been a political moron, but he was no Gamma.

If anything, he was the Alpha who doesn't understand why it's so hard for everyone else. Why would society need rules and traditions? They just get in the way of banging hot chicks...

Blogger Shimshon August 04, 2017 1:53 AM  

And here I thought Brannon and Braga reached the pinnacle of destroying Star Trek. It turns out, the scale does go to 11 after all.

Blogger Shimshon August 04, 2017 2:22 AM  

I remember waiting with great anticipation the launch of TNG, and being pretty disappointed by the proto-SJW slant of the show. Plus...WESLEY. The characters were not very appealing. The ship itself was ugly. I stopped watching it before the first season was over. I heard it improved after that. But Riker bloating up, and turning down a command? Enough said.

Anonymous Ain August 04, 2017 2:28 AM  

"Wait...

Commander Michael Burnham
Spock’s half-sister

I believe the term "nonplussed" would describe my face now."


We've been bombarded by so much tranny-ism over the last two years that I would have been mildly surprised if they didn't give her a dude's name.

Blogger Chris Lutz August 04, 2017 2:36 AM  

@54 A homosexual was running the show and he thought the initials were hilarious. Like all homos and libertines, taking a show that can be watched by most anyone and turning into a raunchy, crude HBO-lite series is the way to go. It's amazing to see how debased virtually all Hollywood types are.

Blogger Chris Lutz August 04, 2017 2:41 AM  

@147 Rodenberry's health was failing and by season 3 he was out of running the show. The show gets better then and the B&B boys deserve credit for that. I don't think the show would have survived past a third season if the quality remained at season 1 & 2 levels.

On SJW issues, ST has always been that way to some extent. Although I always like pointing out to SJW types that the worst episodes are the most SJW ones.

Blogger Elder Son August 04, 2017 2:44 AM  

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Anonymous Stickwick August 04, 2017 2:46 AM  

rcocean: The 1977 Star Trek movie with weird bald chick (that Gene Roddenberry thought was super-hot) was a bore and a box office bomb. Primarily because Roddenberry was in charge and free of constraints that kept him sane and normal in TOS.

You're not remembering this right, my friend. Roddenberry was not free of constraints on the first movie. It was a big clusterfarge in which he continually locked horns with the studio execs and the screenwriter, and he had a lot of input from the producers and the actors. The revision war between Roddenberry and screenwriter Harold Livingston got so bad that rewrites to the script were coming to the set on an hourly basis.

Nevertheless, the movie was a hit, which is why five more original cast movies were made. Out of curiosity, I once compared the gross revenues of all the original cast movies after adjusting for inflation, and the 1979 movie was easily the most successful -- even more successful than the whale one that everyone remembers.

Blogger Shimshon August 04, 2017 2:47 AM  

@150 Chris, B&B may get credit for saving TNG. But...Enterprise (another big disappointment). And...Nemesis (not even wrong).

Blogger Shimshon August 04, 2017 2:52 AM  

@152 While Roddenberry was likely too involved in ST:TMP, I think it ages pretty well. IMHO the movie did successfully convey a sense of wonder and mystery (and conflict), with a more realistic scenario for earth being in danger than the whale movie (which was fun, but has aged terribly).

Blogger Shimshon August 04, 2017 2:56 AM  

I'd rather see a sequel to ST:TMP (eg retrace Voyager's path, and seek to contact the beings that turned it into V'ger) than any of the dreck that has come out since Enterprise, if not earlier.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 04, 2017 3:00 AM  

Only a few generations ago there was no TV, no movies, no music except for live performances and, if you were literate, you may have had access to a Bible and a handful of books. Now we have near instant access to almost every book, movie, TV show, piece of music, opera, play, etc. And with this technology and these options some people are choosing to watch 1960s TV shows remade through the lens of modern Hollywood degenerates?

Anonymous Bz August 04, 2017 3:16 AM  

"a dramatic climax where Capt. Picard allows himself to be killed in order to prove that he isn't a divine being to some primitive villagers."

It's like these geniuses didn't participate in Western Civilization at all.

Anonymous Koanic August 04, 2017 3:22 AM  

> the Chinese p aren't big on colonizing things not like Westerners

That's backwards nowadays.

Blogger Chris Lutz August 04, 2017 3:30 AM  

@153 & @154 Braga has said that Enterprise came out too soon after the run of the other series and ST really needed a breather. Actually it needed a breather and a whole new host of show runners to bring in fresh ideas. TNG movies just aren't that good because they were really extended TV episodes. They never had a cinematic feel.

ST:TMP isn't that good. The effects scenes last too long and the characters have the depth of a kiddy pool. It's the first movie with the old gang and instead we spend an inordinate amount of time on two new characters that no one cares about. The movie is a 2001: A Space Odyssey knockoff with robotic humans and industrial set design. There's a reason TWOK is the gold standard for Trek movies.

The whale movie is simply a Trek comedy film. Comedies age far differently than other genres.

Blogger Silly but True August 04, 2017 3:48 AM  

What does God need with a starship? https://youtu.be/xnxvKJAv5Ik

And for that matter... When ST was good:
https://t.co/ANV0eNcNJU?amp=1
https://t.co/767lAVvZmT?amp=1
https://t.co/XLzmagIy55?amp=1

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 04, 2017 4:26 AM  

Chris Lutz wrote:@153 & @154
ST:TMP isn't that good. The effects scenes last too long and the characters have the depth of a kiddy pool. It's the first movie with the old gang and instead we spend an inordinate amount of time on two new characters that no one cares about. The movie is a 2001: A Space Odyssey knockoff with robotic humans and industrial set design.

They spent what seemed like HOURS showing the actors faces as they gazed lovingly at the SHIP... and then hours moving the camera lovingly over the flanks of the ship. It was all about the character referred to as the Enterprise...up there...on the screen...kinda like starship porn.
As for the 2001 comparison, yeah, there's a reason people jokingly call that Trek film Star Trek: the Motion Sickness.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 04, 2017 5:43 AM  

Enterprise COULD have been good, IF they had smashed the mold. No transporter, no subspace radio, no aliens in the crew, and no STUN setting on phasers. Make the characters do it the hard way. But the producers couldn't avoid going back to the same old tripe.

That's the part that's so ridiculous about the devotion of so many to the idea that Star Trek presents some great vision of our future: most of it was pure plot contrivance (energy was cheap and virtually free until it wasn't and anything could be replicated, until it couldn't), and it had more deus ex machinas than the entire panoply of Greek drama.

They violated the "prime Directive" far more than they ever followed it, and that's because whatever great philosophical pretensions Roddy might have had, it was just entertainment and the Prime Directive meant they would never really have anything to do.

As Cataline points out above, Gene Coon is the real reason any of this exists, and it chapped Roddy's backside something fierce.

Blogger Amy August 04, 2017 6:52 AM  

(((Roddenberry)))

Duh. Cmon man.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 04, 2017 7:01 AM  

If replicators were real, everyone in the Federation would look like Star Trek coplayers at a convention so fat they could barely squeeze into their Red-Shirts from replicating Banana Splits all day.

You know one thing you rarely see at sci-fi conventions? POC who don't work for the Hotel or the studios. The genre is still primarily the domain of nerdy white males.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 04, 2017 7:24 AM  

What about the gods and religion of DS9?

We covered that. Multiple times. No one's saying Trek never included religion in plots. The point is that it (with some exceptions that slipped into TOS) portrays human religion as a thing of the past, and denigrates that past when it mentions it at all. And in general, its treatment of gods is: "Is that a real "god", a supernatural being? Nope, just a very powerful alien." Over and over.

It's generally considered polite to at least skim the previous comments before you start sperging your ignorance all over the place.

Progressive revisionism strikes again.

Indeed it does.

Blogger Mocheirge August 04, 2017 7:40 AM  

I don't know what the truck that is, but it still doesn't seem gamma to me.

Gene R. was one of the rare digammas: a gamma with a dick.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 04, 2017 7:49 AM  

The good parts of TOS? The sense of adventure and the superversive notion that "we" are better than "them."

TNG even starts with Q saying there's something special about humanity, a drive to explore and learn and better ourselves that sets us apart from other species. (Of course, all the shows repeatedly belie that, showing other species exploring and learning and advancing.)

The funny thing is that, as progressive as TNG was, you couldn't make it today. It would get blasted because the talented, enlightened humans leading a federation of aliens who are all more limited in different ways (violent Klingons, greedy Ferengi, humorless Vulcans) would be seen as obvious stand-ins for white Americans. It might even be accused of being nationalistic, like the new Bruce Willis movie.

Anonymous Ryan F August 04, 2017 7:56 AM  

This is the exact opposite of everything i was hoping for for years in a new Star Trek series.

I didn't want another origin story, just a regular meat and potatoes continuation of the DS9 timeline.

No religion? Lol someone better tell the Bajoran Vedics.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 04, 2017 9:05 AM  

LMAO
"Spook"
Now that's comedy

Blogger Kentucky Headhunter August 04, 2017 9:22 AM  

Jason Isaacs is always fun to watch, though I won't be watching him in this. Hopefully he'll get something worthwhile lined up soon.

Anonymous Jeb August 04, 2017 10:06 AM  

I'm amazed at the commenters seeing STAR TREK as some Marxist or left-progressive vision. It was libertarian showing a multi-cultural loose federation, and worked with senior Libertarians to inject concepts and technologies so people would start working on them and thus we have many of them today (e.g. cell phones)... Commenters probably think anything outside they're upbringing must be far-left.


It's also for this reason Roddenberry would have a fit over what they've been doing. Hollywood SJW's do it to every movie e.g. Ghostbusters, Ben Hur, etc. and so are trying to turn Star Trek into some galactic government of far-Left MONO-cultural totalitarian nitwits...all while posting smear articles and slanders on a great man.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 04, 2017 10:57 AM  

Quilp wrote:
Is the Lazarus poem going to replace the "strange new worlds" opening? Nothing is new out of Hollywood. These people have no imagination, no sense of humor, and no talent.

Nolo contendere. That said, given the fact that they managed to rake in billions over the decades from the general public in the Banana Empire, what does it say about the ability of the voters in Murika to discern imagination, sense of humor, and talent - or their overall intelligence as they willing paid for decades of drek from (((Hollywood)))?

Anonymous c matt August 04, 2017 11:11 AM  

But letting a planet worship a false god was worse..

Not sure I completely disagree.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 04, 2017 11:16 AM  

Jeb wrote:nd worked with senior Libertarians to inject concepts and technologies so people would start working on them and thus we have many of them today (e.g. cell phones)...
This is flat ignorant. Just Ignorant. Every single character in the original series is a naval officer, and under orders. There is no less Libertarian society than Star Fleet, a military hierarchy without money.

BTW, cell phones predate ST.

Blogger flyingtiger August 04, 2017 11:17 AM  

In the original series,we saw the chapel on the Enterprise once. Kirk officiated at a wedding. In the entire series, I never saw a chaplain. This was a look at a godless society.
I never understand why the pedos loved this show. Then again, I am not a pedo. I don't understand them.

Blogger Reno Chris August 04, 2017 11:41 AM  

If you had any doubt on the quality of the stories to be told in ST:Discovery - Issacs himself has already set the record straight:

“It’s very different from other Star Trek shows; there’s a lot more emotional and personal interaction than plot,” Isaacs said.

Who needs a plot anyway? We can just get a bunch of poorly matched misfits together, coop them up on a starship and give them a bunch of nasty, snarky dialogue. That's entertainment isn't it?
Just another steaming pile of Pink SF.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab August 04, 2017 11:49 AM  

@164 The replicator problem is 'solved' by the transporter. It literally kills you every time it transports you and can reshape your body our mind. So you put on ten pounds? Waddle down to the transporter for a new you.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 04, 2017 11:59 AM  

I never understand why the pedos loved this show.

I'm not certain either, but I have some ideas. It's not for the obvious reason, because kids barely appear in Trek. I think one attraction is the Prime Directive: the idea that a future humanity would respect all cultures and be completely hands-off with them, no matter how weird or offensive to us. So anything goes, in your own neighborhood. It's not too hard to see why perverts would be attracted to that idea.

For normal people, on the other hand, the Prime Directive is a plot device that you're always hoping the crew will violate.

The Prime Directive was most enforced on TNG, and VOY to a somewhat lesser extent. I would bet money that if you could drill down to the favorite series of pedophiles, you'd get TNG #1, VOY #2, and the rest far behind.

Blogger Chris Lutz August 04, 2017 1:28 PM  

@175 That describes the BSG reboot perfectly. That show was a pile of garbage that had no plot. It just jumped from one shock moment to the next to generate the feels.

Jeb, go back to wherever you appeared from. Your comment shows you don't understand anything about Star Trek.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 04, 2017 1:51 PM  

@178, I always wonder at comments like that. Was he lurking here for a long time, never commenting, and then this was the topic he felt compelled to speak up about? Or are they summoned from afar, as if a Bat Signal goes out: Someone on a blog somewhere is criticizing something I like! To the rescue!

Blogger tublecane August 04, 2017 1:57 PM  

@178-I don't know how much of it was on purpose, but the new Battlestar Gallactica had a sort of unity of plot the first couple of seasons, thanks to the villain, Baltar. He managed they get himself elected president and put humanity in a position to be caught with its pants down colonizing a planet. Then the bomb he hoarded and his robot girlfriend allowed the robots to find humanity and enslave them.

Why the robots didn't just wipe them out, I don't know. That's not really explained. But anyway, it was a compelling turn of events. From there, the show didn't know what to do with itself. The low point was when they found Earth, it was a wasteland, and Starbuck ended up being a ghost or something. Honestly I don't know.

Eventually they found Earth again, way in the prehistoric past, threw away their technology for no reason, and presumably interbred with cavemen. It was the Ancient Aliens idea, with the twist that humans have robot blood in their heritage.

There was absolutely no excuse for finding Earth twice. There wasn't really any excuse for making Starbuck a girl, either, except they wanted her to have sex with Apollo. The way they built up the religions--humans were polytheists whereas robots were monotheists who literally had resurrection--amounted to nothing. The entire premise whereby an Admiral on the run with the last 50,000 or whatever humans let a secretary of education dictate to him was stupid.

Blogger Karl August 04, 2017 2:39 PM  

Series star Jason Isaacs was admonished for ad-libbing a line indirectly invoking a deity, which the show’s producers viewed as fundamentally against Gene Roddenberry’s utopian vision of the future.

So much for Kirk declining to worship the Greek gods, saying "the one will do."

Blogger SirHamster August 04, 2017 2:49 PM  

dfordoom wrote:One of the downsides to becoming red-pilled is that you realise that practically all of the pop culture you used to love was filled with toxic political propaganda. Including a good deal of science fiction.

Truth is sweet to the mouth and bitter to the stomach.

But one measure of value is its cost, and there is no costlier thing than the Truth.

Blogger koi seo August 04, 2017 5:43 PM  

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

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Blogger Chris Lutz August 05, 2017 2:52 AM  

@180 Moore admitted near the end of the series that he had no story arc and was just making it up as he went along. The problem was the stories tended not to fit the circumstances. You're down to 50K people. Unless it is a dire emergency, you aren't putting any female into a combat position. The show alluded to it once but it ended there. Them getting captured on the planet was where the show really went off the rails. The stupidity burned.

Anonymous Paradox August 05, 2017 8:15 AM  

I don't see anything wrong with a 15 year old for the time period. My maternal great grandmother and my wife's maternal grandmother both married at 14 years old. What's gross is the 11 year old girl. But what do you expect from George Lucas a male mud shark.

Blogger Buybuydandavis August 06, 2017 3:16 AM  

The Q were a transparent God replacement, all powerful and watching to judge humanity. Christianity in Space.

A show for "atheists" as cryptotheists (hence SJWs), but hardly a show for atheists.

Watching Star Trek Beyond, damned but if the SJW propaganda wasn't flowing, and updated for the latest fads.

Lots of "diversity is our strength" message, and for no apparent reason. Just tossed in there again and again as ideological chit chat with the bad guys. There's never a bad time to proselytize for progressive puritanism.

And then a clear dig at ethno nationalism and even parenthood. Pretty funny, actually.

For those unaware, Vulcan got destroyed in the new timeline. Spock plans to quit StarFleet and lead New Vulcan - "go make Vulcan babies", as the Doctor would have it. Too bad some Alt-Right infiltrator didn't put it to the 14 words for Vulcans, because that's exactly what it was.

So of course Spock abandons the 14 words before the movie is done. The thrust of all the propaganda is that your family is made up of all your government coworkers, and children barely exist but to show that a gay couple can have a family too. Spock turns from the 14 words, turns from Vulcans, and toward the childless life of imperial cosmopolitan government do gooder.

He'd make a model EU apparatchik.

And what a bad movie. Can anyone actually write a story that isn't "just so" in a million ways, and doesn't require idiot balls in all hands to keep the story alive?

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