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Wednesday, August 09, 2017

Imposters at Google

CG has a theory:
Mr. Damore has managed to spark the largest inflammation of Impostor Anxiety in recorded history.

Impostor Anxiety is not Impostor Syndrome as the Syndrome is associated with failure to recognize actual achievements while those suffering from IA are aware of their diminished ability relative to those around them,

They do not suffer from Dunning–Kruger though it may appear so from the outside sometimes. They are knowingly hiding behind a futile "fake it till you make it" facade that can sometimes carry them so long as resources remain flush.

Sufferers will sometimes mask over their Impostor Anxiety by trying to claim that they suffer from Imposter Syndrome. However this is self defeating as it only amplifies their anxiety due to knowing that at least some people around them know their true skill level, even others who also suffer from Impostor Anxiety and see through the charade.
It makes sense. Just as AA beneficiaries know that they do not merit their places at the universities where they find themselves intellectually overmatched, tens of thousands of the more-recent hires at Google are perfectly aware that they would not have been good enough to get a job there just a few years ago.

James Damore has unmasked them for the inferior employees that they are, which is why they are both panicked and furious.

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106 Comments:

Blogger Nate August 09, 2017 11:13 AM  

Astute.

Blogger Dexter August 09, 2017 11:16 AM  

"Feeling like a fraud" is justified when you actually are a fraud.

Anonymous Grayman August 09, 2017 11:22 AM  

A quick easy supporting illustration:

https://files.gab.ai/image/598ae5c3160e4.jpeg

Who would want to see a black or Hispanic doctor once you realize the majority can meet the standards impose don whites and asians.

Anonymous CrystalBlue August 09, 2017 11:22 AM  

"Fake it until you make it" isn't bad advice as long as you actually make it. Confidence is one of the things that keeps us going when times are tough. Self-awareness is what helps us understand when its time to try something else.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus August 09, 2017 11:23 AM  

I've been thinking for a while that women, as a rule, don't have their own bullshit detectors. They *only* find out about reality from the consensus of their social circle (incl TV, Faceberg, Cosmo) rather than observation.

So if someone points out that some women aren't qualified, even the competent ones have *no idea* whether that includes them or not.

They panic, their brains shut off, they go into an emotional tailspin. We've seen a few exceptions on Twitter, but as a rule, they can't think in terms of evidence, only consensus. Is someone whose brain works like that *actually* all that competent? Sure, you can trust them do do what they're told, if the right person tells them to do it in the right way.

This is why "open debate" is considered a masculine value.

When these girls say that they feel "unsafe", they're describing something that's real to them, but it's a cognitive deficit that makes them unable to function in a well-run organization.

Anonymous RobertL August 09, 2017 11:27 AM  

Or, in AlphaGame terms, Situational Gamma

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 09, 2017 11:28 AM  

Yeah, affirmative action is a mess that is not good for anyone. It's bad for blacks who get placed in schools where they cannot keep up. It's bad for blacks who are genuinely qualified because everyone suspects they are just affirmative action hires/admissions, and it's bad for whites and Asians who are displaced to make room for incompetent blacks.

Just one part of a large mess that makes everything worse for people who were going to have problems already.

https://youtu.be/6D6x63sylEA

Anonymous BBGKB August 09, 2017 11:36 AM  

Just as AA beneficiaries know that they do not merit their places at the universities where they find themselves intellectually overmatched

I don't believe so. The black nurse who got on a plane with a fever after treating the TX Ebola patient is obviously qualified because there was no multiple choice test question on the boards related to that specific situation.

Who would want to see a black or Hispanic doctor once you realize the majority can meet the standards impose don whites and asians.

You could have at least linked the BGKB post.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar August 09, 2017 11:38 AM  

Ppl should be meming the hell out of this.

Blogger pyrrhus August 09, 2017 11:40 AM  

"Yeah, affirmative action is a mess that is not good for anyone. It's bad for blacks who get placed in schools where they cannot keep up. It's bad for blacks who are genuinely qualified because everyone suspects they are just affirmative action hires/admissions, and it's bad for whites and Asians who are displaced to make room for incompetent blacks."

Yes, I saw this tragedy in law school. Several black AA students just couldn't keep up at a top 10 law school, and didn't graduate. Yet they weren't dummies at all, and if they had gone to a third tier school, they would have been stars...And it is much better to be a big fish in a small puddle than the reverse...

Blogger pyrrhus August 09, 2017 11:42 AM  

"Imposter Anxiety" is a phrase I will keep in mind, very well put...

Blogger Dexter August 09, 2017 11:42 AM  

"How many times have you done this operation, Dr. Ngogwe?"

"Thirty-eight... simulated."

"How many actual operations?"

"Two... including this one."

Blogger Dexter August 09, 2017 11:43 AM  

Several black AA students just couldn't keep up at a top 10 law school, and didn't graduate. Yet they weren't dummies at all, and if they had gone to a third tier school, they would have been stars.

And meanwhile ten people who could have succeeded there were denied a spot. Oh well!

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar August 09, 2017 11:44 AM  

I personally suffer from IA on these threads.

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 11:44 AM  

--So if someone points out that some women aren't qualified, even the competent ones have *no idea* whether that includes them or not. --

I can see the possibility in this, but I would like to hear from other women who comment here.

I do this in my parenting. I need a lot of affirmation to consider myself succeeding. I wonder if this is also a reason for women struggling with housewifery and motherhood - it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system.

Blogger buzzardist August 09, 2017 11:46 AM  

Most of Google as a corporate stucture probably feels this way. Google is made up of a lot of non-revenue services that (hopefully) attract users, and one big cash cow. If you aren't directly involved in Adwords at Google, you aren't making the company money. If you aren't attracting users with a service (Gmail, Google+, search, or whatever), then you aren't even indirectly supporting the revenue stream. That has to give a lot of people and departments anxiety and inferiority complexes.

Couple this with the fact that a lot of the diversity hires at Google have been in those non-revenue departments and projects, and it's no surprise that people are touchy about the implication that they may be sub-par employees.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 09, 2017 11:46 AM  

Faking it only works when incompetence only wastes excess money.

Faking it as a surgeon, an internist, ar engineer, a pilot, etc., etc., the results are obvious.

Only during this unprecedented FAD, this largest ever credit bubble (resting on flammable Pathological Trust of a social mood mania) could such unconscionable waste be tolerated.

The tolerance will plunge along with social trust, inversely with interest rates.

Blogger Kentucky Headhunter August 09, 2017 11:46 AM  

@Grayman

Whites and Asians actively discriminated against to the detriment of the public's health and safety, and with significant negative economic impact.

The Narrative is going to kill us all, if we don't kill it first.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 09, 2017 11:51 AM  

wonder if this is also a reason for women struggling with housewifery and motherhood - it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system.

The role of husbands. Wives should NOT rely on peer groups. Henhouses are filled with toxic females.

Blogger Astrosmith August 09, 2017 11:51 AM  

If men and women, or the members of different racial or ethnic groups are NOT different, then why is Diversity a "Good Thing"?

Blogger Kentucky Headhunter August 09, 2017 11:51 AM  

I wonder if this is also a reason for women struggling with housewifery and motherhood - it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system.

Is the house clean? Are the children well-behaved and thriving? Is the husband relieved to be home after a hard day or does he dread the mess that awaits whenever he enters?
The results speak for themselves.

Anonymous praetorian August 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

Related: yobtube "CEO" (((Susan Wojcicki))): "When I saw the memo that circulated last week, I felt pain."

"If that is true, how do you explain my feelings?"

Blogger dc.sunsets August 09, 2017 11:54 AM  

My daughters-in-law get affirmation from my sons, from my wife and me, and from their sisters-in-law. They're better off walling out their own parents and siblings because out of three DIL, only one has a family whose sh!t is together.

Blogger SouthRon August 09, 2017 11:57 AM  

Absolutely. Worked at a place with a couple of these Imposters. It took a ridiculous amount of data gathering and proof to get the one fired. The other was promoted by a cohort in stupidity over a very competent group because Management Track and once there laid off the best Professional Engineer, best Techwriter, and best Software Engineer, because they were a threat to him.

Blogger Desdichado August 09, 2017 11:59 AM  

Kentucky Headhunter wrote: I wonder if this is also a reason for women struggling with housewifery and motherhood - it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system.

Is the house clean? Are the children well-behaved and thriving? Is the husband relieved to be home after a hard day or does he dread the mess that awaits whenever he enters?

The results speak for themselves.

What part of 'they can't process observation, only consensus feedback" did you not understand?

Blogger tweell August 09, 2017 12:01 PM  

Time to update that classic:

"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, Googlians! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!"

Blogger RobertT August 09, 2017 12:03 PM  

Imposter Anxiety. I never heard the term, but I've certainly dealt with the disease. I dealt with it in the Board Room, I dealt with it in the C suite, I dealt with if in professionals. Always at very high levels. A lot of politicians suffer from this. Right now I'm dealing a very irritating, very expensive lawyer of one of my international clients, who continually and enthusiastically recommends courses of actions off the top of his head based entirely on inaccurate assumptions about international tax, nexus issues, etc. The problem is, if you begin to be a problem for them, they bring out the long knifes. And if the client or CEO isn't bright enough to intervene, you're going to get flayed. One of the CEOs I worked under loved to foster this kind of atmosphere. Not unlike Donald Trump. He loved to see us fighting with each other. The world's a sick place. But none of my CEOs were as sharp as Trump. I'm giving him time before passing judgment on the supposed 'turmoil'.

Blogger dh August 09, 2017 12:04 PM  

I have known my Google employees. I have found them all to be infatuated with the idea where they work, and utterly convinced they are changing the world.

It's really weird, because from where I sit, Google is just a better mousetrap than say, Yahoo was at it's peak, or Bing is now, or whatever. Gmail was an incremental improvement on Hotmail, etc.

If you ask them in what they are changing the world, they bring up the infamous Google moonshots, which of course only a tiny slice of Alphabet employees are now working on. Or they bring up the side-project of someone else that they themselves are not working on.

The last one I was pretty well friendly with did leave, I think because he was frustrated that after a few years of toil the product he had been working on was basically cancelled for being economically unfeasible. Which everyone knew the whole time. But the whole time he was convinced he was changing the world.

Anonymous Steveo August 09, 2017 12:08 PM  

this has the makings of the perfect snowflake storm...

Say, anyone know the gender of Andrea Gail, I'd hate to presume?

Blogger Eric Slate August 09, 2017 12:09 PM  

If they felt inferior, why didn't they simply ignore him?

Blogger GracieLou August 09, 2017 12:16 PM  

@15 CM

It makes sense. For example, sometimes I'll paint a painting and I'll really like it. But if someone else hates it then it's hard for me to like it as much as I did before.

I'd always attributed this tendency to either a) my obsession with trying to see reality as clearly as possible to cope with my cognitive impairments (epilepsy) sometimes giving undue credence to outside information or b) impostor syndrome and or anxiety brought on by growing up around narcissistic buttholes.

But it could be a sex difference. I'll think on it.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 09, 2017 12:17 PM  

I try to avoid Google but every alternative I know of to Google Maps is inferior. Bing still has satellite data that's around five years old in some major metro areas.

Blogger Dave August 09, 2017 12:19 PM  

I have known my Google employees.

Is this a confession dh?

Blogger Chiva August 09, 2017 12:21 PM  

If they felt inferior, why didn't they simply ignore him?

It takes strength to ignore someone.

Anonymous TS August 09, 2017 12:22 PM  

"I do this in my parenting. I need a lot of affirmation to consider myself succeeding. I wonder if this is also a reason for women struggling with housewifery and motherhood - it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system."

It doesn't help either when the whole culture is arrayed against homemaking. Judging by your concern you are doing fine.

Blogger Lovekraft August 09, 2017 12:23 PM  

The stories I could tell you about my experience with feminist/SJW HR depts and co-workers.

Why do you think I always argue for disentanglement and the tools with which to separate ourselves from their influence?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 09, 2017 12:23 PM  

Curious whether this generalizes to all progressives.

Blogger Salt August 09, 2017 12:23 PM  

Saw something on /pol/ yesterday that Damore is quite a troll and Gamergater. He may know exactly what he is doing.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 09, 2017 12:25 PM  

tweell wrote:Time to update that classic:

"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, Googlians! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!"


Hey! I didn't get a Harrumph! out of that James Guy!

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 09, 2017 12:25 PM  

Also, if you combine this theory with the Dilbert Principle...and Fred Reed's theory that the purpose of modern universities is to reduce unemployment...

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 09, 2017 12:28 PM  

Conclusion: Progressivism is an expression of imposter anxiety by the Clueless (ref. Gervais principle).

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 09, 2017 12:29 PM  

Which is to say, societies on the wrong end of the Glubb cycle become leftist because prosperity creates a surplus population of people anxious that they don't deserve their standard of living.

Blogger Aaron Swenson August 09, 2017 12:30 PM  

Ah what a time to be alive. The emotion-monkeys had their decades long rampage, and alienated everyone. Now the blowback is getting ever more intense. You lose, retarded lumps of frozen water!

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 09, 2017 12:30 PM  

Hashtag madness of the tenth generation.

Blogger Desdichado August 09, 2017 12:33 PM  

GracieLou wrote:@15It makes sense. For example, sometimes I'll paint a painting and I'll really like it. But if someone else hates it then it's hard for me to like it as much as I did before.

I'd always attributed this tendency to either a) my obsession with trying to see reality as clearly as possible to cope with my cognitive impairments (epilepsy) sometimes giving undue credence to outside information or b) impostor syndrome and or anxiety brought on by growing up around narcissistic buttholes.

But it could be a sex difference. I'll think on it.

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Sex differences aren't just a "thing" there is a cognitive background behind them, and they can be explained in finer detail than "because woman." Also, sex differences cluster around a mean, the same as with any population. You always have to be wary about applying mean values to individuals, because they may vary considerably.

On the other hand, the "what about me?" focus of this post certainly is par for mean women behavior.

Blogger dvdivx August 09, 2017 12:35 PM  

I don't know how much of this is true vs far too many middle managers. Its like a gat person profile instead of what should be a pyramid profile. I work for one of the biggest if not the biggest communication company on earth. There are far too many middle managers so they spend a lot of time and effort to justify their job. Creating fiefdoms out of core areas of the company, useless or worse implementation of policies, even stupid uniform ideas. Its not incompetence per se although that might play a part its that the company could and should fire 50% at least of the middle management and have the bean counters take a hard look at various focus groups. It will never happen though as long as the cash rolls in.

Blogger dvdivx August 09, 2017 12:36 PM  

Fat not gat

Blogger GracieLou August 09, 2017 12:44 PM  

@Desdick. It was not an example of a "what about me" post but rather specific answers using personal examples to answer a question asked by another poster who had also used personal examples.

Anonymous BBGKB August 09, 2017 12:47 PM  

I've been thinking for a while that women, as a rule, don't have their own bullshit detectors

I was the only person paid mileage for rotating out to cover an outpatient clinic because everyone else fell for the "it's not worth filling out the paperwork"

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 09, 2017 12:54 PM  

Too many people at Google are wearing knock offs of the Emperor's new clothes, and now they are anxious that they might actually just be walking around naked? What a shame.

Anonymous Winston Smith in Room 101 August 09, 2017 12:59 PM  

You're mistaken. Everyone at Google is a certified genius and diversity is our biggest strength. Damore was perpetuating white male patriarchal stereotypes and must be purged from technology.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 09, 2017 1:02 PM  

It would appear that Google also hires a lot of people whose job is to ensure "diversity" and spearhead various programs meant to increase it. Since those peoples jobs require buying into the SJW narrative, they are going to react violently towards anyone questioning it. That's why we can't have a reasoned discussion on diversity. Diversity is a way of redirecting resources to minorities and women. Stealth reparations.

Anonymous fop August 09, 2017 1:07 PM  

Google "american inventors".

Anonymous BluePony August 09, 2017 1:11 PM  

As an occasional sufferer of Imposter Syndrome, I can attest that the Googflakes are not in the same group.

and utterly convinced they are changing the world.

Well, Google in general *is* changing the world... into one ruled by the real world equivalent of HYDRA. I don't have the link handy, but I read a long analysis a while back about just how much influence Google has over commerce now with their ad platform, over public opinion with biased and filtered search results, their buttbuddy relations with the intelligence community, etc. It really is like something out of the Marvel universe. Lex Luthor over at DC would be looking on with envy.

GOOG's diversity manager worked for the Clinton campaign. Do you think for a moment Google would not have become just another arm of her Administration had she won?

I just wish we could wake more people to it, but I get glazed eyes when I try to explain it, even if I stick to rhetoric. Most people really are not going to wake up until their familes are being raped in front of them and the knife is opening their throat.

Almost makes me wonder of the West deserves to die if its self preservation instinct is this poor. Just convert now and get my four wives.

Blogger Feather Blade August 09, 2017 1:15 PM  

@15

It helps to have a prioritized, objective standard to measure against.

For example: First priority is "Is everyone alive?" If yes, then "success!"
Second priority is "Is everyone uninjured?" If yes, then "Success!". If no, then "Has injury been appropriately attended to?". If yes, then "Success!", if no then "Take action to get injury appropriately attended to." Etc. etc.

In order of priority (assuming the presence of proper shelter and absence of husband because he's out at work) it would be:
Children: Alive, uninjured, fed, clean, dressed, occupied.
House: clean, well-ordered (enlist children of the appropriate age to accomplish this).

Or so I am told, at least as concerns children and housekeeping.

It does work with remodeling projects, with the priority being "structurally sound, securely plumbed, properly electrified, smoothly mudded, well painted"

The part that takes the most mental effort is ignoring the "But So-and-so does it better!(So I should just stop trying...)" voice.
The usual answer to that is "Yes and So-and-so does it professionally and/or has umpteen years of experience/practice. When you've been doing it that long it will look similarly perfect and effortless. Just keep improving your skills, ask for tips from the long-timers, and don't worry about other people's end results."

Tell yourself that for long enough, and other people's feedback can be taken or left.

Blogger jeffro August 09, 2017 1:16 PM  

Gresham's law.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 09, 2017 1:24 PM  

"15. Blogger CM August 09, 2017 11:44 AM
--So if someone points out that some women aren't qualified, even the competent ones have *no idea* whether that includes them or not. --

I can see the possibility in this, but I would like to hear from other women who comment here.

I do this in my parenting. I need a lot of affirmation to consider myself succeeding. I wonder if this is also a reason for women struggling with housewifery and motherhood - it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system.
"



Everything is personal to women because they experience reality through their emotions. In fact they are highly prone to mistake their emotions for reality.

If some women are accused of being incompetent then all women that hear about it will feel it, then they will worry about it. Those trained in self-entitlement will absolutely scream bloody murder to divert attention away from their incompetence. Those trained in acceptance of consequences and having a mechanism to assuage their feelings will not freak out.

If your husband or father tell you to stop worrying about it then stop worrying about it. Those not gifted with a father or husband are shit out of luck.

Blogger Desdichado August 09, 2017 1:29 PM  

GracieLou wrote:@Desdick. It was not an example of a "what about me" post but rather specific answers using personal examples to answer a question asked by another poster who had also used personal examples.
You need to read the post you're responding to again. Try really hard to turn off your "what about me" filter. It was a general question. And your answer deliberately didn't answer anything except to say, "I don't know because my situation is special and unique and different."

Which is hardly helpful. But again; you got to talk about yourself, so I guess that's a win.

Anonymous TheSmokingMan#3424 August 09, 2017 1:30 PM  

BluePony The Supreme Dark Lord already decreed that we do not council despair on His blog. No, we ought not surrender and get 4 wives. Grow a spine.

we only need 12
and we have 500+

Blogger Philip Gose August 09, 2017 1:31 PM  

Could part of the problem with Western society right now be as simple as mass imposter anxiety?

Anonymous TheSmokingMan#3424 August 09, 2017 1:35 PM  

Philip Gose wrote:Could part of the problem with Western society right now be as simple as mass imposter anxiety?

that's an interesting idea. Could this explain why men who are physically strong tend to lean Right? They are strong therefore feel not-inferior?

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 1:41 PM  

--For example: First priority is "Is everyone alive?" If yes, then "success!"
Second priority is "Is everyone uninjured?" If yes, then "Success!". If no, then "Has injury been appropriately attended to?". If yes, then "Success!", if no then "Take action to get injury appropriately attended to." Etc. etc.--

Thanks for the advice! It wasn't so much about my personal struggle as it was a general observation. Typically what is accomplished in the home is quickly and efficiently undone simply by proper living. It may actually be good for women NOT to rely on evidence of accomplishment in this field! (I kid... a little). I liked the original comment and gives some insight.

--Which is hardly helpful. But again; you got to talk about yourself, so I guess that's a win.--

I appreciated the feedback from another woman. I'm curious if Stickwick or Avalanche have similar experiences. They may not.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 09, 2017 1:54 PM  

Most of the State of California acts like it has Impostor Anxiety , fake it to you make it but there ain't no make it there.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 09, 2017 1:56 PM  

CM wrote:So if someone points out that some women aren't qualified, even the competent ones have *no idea* whether that includes them or not.

I can see the possibility in this, but I would like to hear from other women who comment here.

I see what you did there. Even if it was unintentional.

Anonymous a_peraspera August 09, 2017 2:01 PM  

"If they felt inferior, why didn't they simply ignore him?"

These women don't feel inferior. They feel smugly superior to men. They feel the outrage of a nobleman who falls off his horse, then sees a nearby peasant laughing at him. Hence the "off with his head!" result.

They believe they are born naturally superior to men, because they've been told it all their lives.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 09, 2017 2:02 PM  

Philip Gose wrote:Could part of the problem with Western society right now be as simple as mass imposter anxiety?

Something like that to some degree yes.

from a Western social point of view the last few decades have been incredibly stressful.

Our societies didn't adjust all that well to industrialism or to prosperity or to the drift away from traditional religion

Throw in specter of Armageddon (there were several occasions in which only quick thinking and ethics stop the annihilation of the West either by choice or accident) computers and the malign influence of Leftism and you have a recipe for a nervous breakdown

Hell our societies can't cope with the pill and its been out for half a century or wide spread automation which started nearly a hundred years ago.

Our technology, smart phones in particular might be causing many juveniles to become mentally ill.

We simply painted ourselves into a corner with a huge range of disparate , incompatible beliefs systems and stopped functioning like some old movie robot shorting out while yelling Non Sequitur Non Sequitur


Anonymous Grayman August 09, 2017 2:03 PM  

BBGKB

Credit where credit is due!!! I was lazy with the link!

Blogger GracieLou August 09, 2017 2:09 PM  

Look, I'm sorry for what I said about you and your kind. You're not buttholes. I'm sure you're wonderful people in your own special way.

Blogger GracieLou August 09, 2017 2:23 PM  

I meant the butthole comment for "D"

Sorry in advance for any confusion.

Blogger Geoarrge August 09, 2017 2:27 PM  

Rabbits feel mortally threatened by meritocracy. If any clear hierarchy of ability is allowed to be revealed, those at the bottom are in trouble when winter comes. They're not ashamed of their inferiority so much as actually terrified that if they are exposed, they will be thrown out on the streets to literally starve.

Anonymous TS August 09, 2017 2:28 PM  

"Most of the State of California acts like it has Impostor Anxiety , fake it to you make it but there ain't no make it there."

It's a core behavior of leftardism e.g., Scalzi, Jemisin, Microsoft etc...

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 2:32 PM  

@Snidely

It was on purpose ;)

Blogger tuberman August 09, 2017 2:38 PM  

I've given it some thought, but not much, so here it is: Globalist/Leftist thinking makes one stupid, no mater how high the IQ, so therefore also severe IA symptoms.

Blogger Desdichado August 09, 2017 2:44 PM  

It would be kind of funny if I found out that I actually did grow up with you and was literally one of those "buttholes" as opposed to just somebody calling you out more or less at random. But; what are the odds?

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 2:47 PM  

--Globalist/Leftist thinking makes one stupid--

It isn't "globalist/leftist".

Perhaps at one time, truly intelligent people thought a certain direction would be beneficial and good. Its the fact that reality has proven that that (at the very least, extreme) position has negative consequences.

Rather than continue to observe reality and adjust theories, beliefs, and policies accordingly, they have doubled down and rejected reality.

It is the rejection of reality that makes them stupid. Anyone can be stupid.

Blogger SQT August 09, 2017 2:53 PM  

My daughters-in-law get affirmation from my sons, from my wife and me, and from their sisters-in-law. They're better off walling out their own parents and siblings because out of three DIL, only one has a family whose sh!t is together.

Unfortunately not all of us are so lucky to have such a solid structure around us. Women are encouraged to get on the career track and frequently treated as odd if we prioritize family. There are women who will tell us, in private, that they wish they could have stayed home but that's the only affirmation we tend to get. Seeing my kids flourish has been the best reward but I now have to deal with my mother-in-law pushing the career track on my daughter- who only wants to be a wife and mom. I even have a hard time getting my husband to lay off on that pressure.

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 3:01 PM  

SQT August 09, 2017 2:53 PM
My daughters-in-law get affirmation from my sons, from my wife and me, and from their sisters-in-law. They're better off walling out their own parents and siblings because out of three DIL, only one has a family whose sh!t is together.

Unfortunately not all of us are so lucky to have such a solid structure around us. Women are encouraged to get on the career track and frequently treated as odd if we prioritize family. There are women who will tell us, in private, that they wish they could have stayed home but that's the only affirmation we tend to get. Seeing my kids flourish has been the best reward but I now have to deal with my mother-in-law pushing the career track on my daughter- who only wants to be a wife and mom. I even have a hard time getting my husband to lay off on that pressure.


Yes. This is an issue. My aunt and father did this to me. While my husband is supportive, he isn't good at affirmation.

My mother is very supportive - as is my career oriented sister, surprisingly enough. Both are very encouraging.

I do have a small network of supportive people who are trusted and give affirmation, but its only about 3-4 people.

Generally, I concur with a previous commentor that getting that out of other women is a lesson in self-defeat as women tend to tear down in order to build themselves up.

Blogger papabear August 09, 2017 3:02 PM  

"it isn't well known for its affirmative feedback system."

That affirmative feedback system would be sex. But if the wives are deliberately holding out...

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 09, 2017 3:11 PM  

BluePony wrote:Almost makes me wonder of the West deserves to die if its self preservation instinct is this poor. Just convert now and get my four wives.

Of course it deserves to die. We all deserve death, Bible says so all clear like. You don't feed your kids because they deserve it, you do it because Jesus loved you first.

Blogger Basil Makedon August 09, 2017 3:18 PM  

I wonder if one could put a successful fund together after collecting the HR:non-HR employee ratio together for publicly traded companies and only investing in those with lower than sector average HR:non-HR ratios.

Blogger Avalanche August 09, 2017 3:33 PM  

@15 "So if someone points out that some women aren't qualified, even the competent ones have *no idea* whether that includes them or not. --
I can see the possibility in this, but I would like to hear from other women who comment here."

Okay, dirty little secret here: I TRY to make only cogent appropriate remarks on the Dark Lord's Dark Streams... but when one of MY comments is on screen with some others, and he growls and reaches for the ban hammer... my FIRST reaction is: "OMG, it's ME! I've written something TRULY stupid, and he's lost patience!"

I REALIZE intellectually that's not likely to happen -- but my first emotional kneejerk is: "I can't keep up with Vox's many smart commenters." {shrug} (I can. I believe I do.) But my FIRST reaction is ... well ... shouldn't women be silent in church?

Blogger Avalanche August 09, 2017 3:37 PM  

@16 " If you aren't attracting users with a service (Gmail, Google+, search, or whatever),"

Google Project Fi -- I'll BET they're losing money refunding unused cell minutes (I 'pay' $10 a month for 1GB/mo of cell service, and am usually refunded about $9.50!) (LOVE Google Fi! No cell reception at home; free wifi most everywhere... smooth auto-switching between (VPN-protected) public wifi and cell service away from home. I can drop (and am dropping) Google where I can -- but whew. Really cheap phone service that I CAN use at home is hard to give up!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 09, 2017 3:45 PM  

CM wrote:

It was on purpose ;)

Then t'was artfully done.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 09, 2017 4:17 PM  

@70  Which brings up an interesting question:  how much of the Commiefornia housing shortage is due to the employment of so many deadweight SJWs in tech companies?  Ditto the Puget Sound area.

Dis-employing them and making them move to where there are jobs within their capabilities would have salutary effects on the area in general, both in affordability and in politics.  The question is, how big?

Blogger SQT August 09, 2017 4:27 PM  

Generally, I concur with a previous commentor that getting that out of other women is a lesson in self-defeat as women tend to tear down in order to build themselves up.

I learned a long time ago not to expect much from other women. I have maybe 1 close female friend and a couple other casual ones. They are the only women I know, at 47 years old, who won't gossip behind my back. I'm very glad to be married and not have to rely of female companionship on a regular basis.

Blogger Sheila4g August 09, 2017 4:28 PM  

@81 Avalanche: ". . . but my first emotional kneejerk is: "I can't keep up with Vox's many smart commenters.". . . But my FIRST reaction is ... well ... shouldn't women be silent in church?"

First the personal affirmation: I generally love your comments, Avalanche. And as a woman and one who's learned quite a bit of humility here, I share your concern!

Second, the female solipsistic one: Because I am a very special snowflake, I find I really don't need a lot of affirmation. Sure, it's nice to get, but I generally do what I believe is right based on experience, innate ability/intelligence, and Christian morality, and then damn the torpedoes. There are times I feel taken for granted, but then I realize that in itself is an affirmation - my husband simply assumes I am capable and handling things, so sees no need to pat my head and tell me I'm doing a good job. All that said, an unsought/unexpected bit of pithy praise from my late father-in-law is something I treasure to this day.

General female emoting: Thanks to all Vox and all the commenters here. I've learned so much and so often there's no need to comment; it's all already been said far better than I could have done.

Anonymous BBGKB August 09, 2017 4:33 PM  

as women tend to tear down in order to build themselves up.

The crab basket effect is real. http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-crab-basket-effect.html

Blogger Feather Blade August 09, 2017 4:42 PM  

Avalanche wrote:But my FIRST reaction is ... well ... shouldn't women be silent in church?

Well... it's not church, first of all, but there is something to be said for leaving the gents to their whiskey and cigars after dinner.

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 4:43 PM  

--There are times I feel taken for granted, but then I realize that in itself is an affirmation - my husband simply assumes I am capable and handling things, so sees no need to pat my head and tell me I'm doing a good job. --

I like this observation as something I could take to heart. I frequently wish my husband would notice the small things I accomplish in the day, but then my 8 year old tells me "good job, mom!" and I feel embarrassed because if HE noticed, I must be really bad at doing this one small thing!

--General female emoting: Thanks to all Vox and all the commenters here. I've learned so much and so often there's no need to comment; it's all already been said far better than I could have done.--

I agree.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 09, 2017 5:06 PM  

Astrosmith wrote:If men and women, or the members of different racial or ethnic groups are NOT different, then why is Diversity a "Good Thing"?

Oh they're OK with the idea that there are differences, as long as they are all in favor of women, and that men are obviously terribly flawed.

And don't you DARE suggest that there might be some trait that is anything but wonderful in women (or blacks, trannies, etc.).

They're quite open-minded, don't ya know.

Blogger joek August 09, 2017 5:36 PM  

dc; what books or authors would you recommend to someone wanting to learn more about social mood, bonds, etc?

Anonymous BluePony August 09, 2017 5:54 PM  

BluePony The Supreme Dark Lord already decreed that we do not council despair on His blog. No, we ought not surrender and get 4 wives. Grow a spine.

I know, I know... it's hard some days.

The evil can be so relentless as I vainly try to red pill people who just care more about utter trivial bull---- than whether their children and grandchildren will become serfs who curse their fforebears' names with every breath.

It's not that they don't believe the evil is there- they still don't accept that it's even possible, or it's still just outliers to be ignored like the rambling homeless guy in the park.

They'll say something like "Heh heh... those snowflakes will learn once they hit the real world." But they don't hit the real world. They go in to government, or a think tank, or an activist organization, or, yes, a well known internet search company that has wormed its way into nearly everything unless you active measures to prevent it.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot August 09, 2017 6:21 PM  

Well, you know, I'm not really a crackpot ...

WAIT ... who the hell am I trying to fool? :-)

Blogger JCclimber August 09, 2017 6:55 PM  

I have to deal with a number of people suffering from IA. Often in positions of authority within the corporate structure. Part of the fun of my job is that I get to set up management reporting structures that are excellent at exposing incompetence.

The result has been several Imposters resigning their positions to take their incompetent butts somewhere else.

The key is to get them, with their bosses help, to set up their own business metrics to track and improve, and regularly be held accountable.

And the second part of that key is to make sure you deftly deflect EVERY attempt on their part to trick you into helping them or allowing them to cover up. By deftly, I mean do it so that they don't even realize that you are deliberately deflecting their sword thrusts. And previous high priority commitments keep you from being in the neighborhood to pull their butts out of the quicksand.

Anonymous krymneth August 09, 2017 7:44 PM  

Google Fi replacement: Republic Wireless. Been doing it longer than Google.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop August 09, 2017 7:51 PM  

Here an irl item that has needed a name:

http://usurpthis.iwarp.com/tr010505.htm
MR. BISHOP: That's just not quite sinking in for me.
THE COURT: That's okay. I know, it's hard because I'm asking you to trust me, right?
MR. BISHOP: Mark Chow, and you have an oath of office on file?
THE COURT: Yeah, okay. Go ahead and trust me or don't trust me.
MR. BISHOP: You're a real live judge?
THE COURT: You don't have to sign it. Yeah, I'm a real live judge.
MR. BISHOP: Honest?
THE COURT: Yeah, 14 years.
MR. BISHOP: All right, I'll sign it. Fourteen years?
THE COURT: Yeah. I was even born in Seattle. I was, south end. Can't you tell?
MR. BISHOP: So we're having the motions the same date of trial?
THE COURT: Yeah. Why have everybody come twice?


Notice I didn’t answer Chow’s ”Can’t you tell”? Both his name and his appearance suggest that he’s actually from China, not Seattle. There was a moment of stunned silence while I contemplated this show of nervousness and weakness (one of several he exhibited) - then I switched out to the motions bit.

Years later I learned that Judge Mark Chow is Ruby Chow’s https://infogalactic.com/info/Ruby_Chow son and was Bruce Lee’s best friend. So he’s at least 3nd generation Chinese-in-America, upper stratum, and he still has a case of something related to Imposter Anxiety. It's not incompetence, so the definition above isn't quite right.

Blogger tuberman August 09, 2017 11:35 PM  

CM wrote:--Globalist/Leftist thinking makes one stupid--

It isn't "globalist/leftist".

Perhaps at one time, truly intelligent people thought a certain direction would be beneficial and good. Its the fact that reality has proven that that (at the very least, extreme) position has negative consequences.

Rather than continue to observe reality and adjust theories, beliefs, and policies accordingly, they have doubled down and rejected reality.

It is the rejection of reality that makes them stupid. Anyone can be stupid.


I did not say that only globalist/leftist thinking makes people stupid, as many things make people stupid. But, "the narrative" is created as a flip side to reality,or propaganda, and it is promoted on purpose.The "narrative' is intentionally anti-reality.

Please give me an example of one person globalist/leftist or third wave feminist victim card player or any of the narrative people, who is not lying. First Rule: SJWs Always Lie.

Their narrative is a lie, that lie is stupid. I.DO.NOT.CARE.IF.THERE.ARE.OTHER.STUPIDITIES. I was talking about the stupid lies of the SJW narrative.

Please, give me examples of people of this ilk that do not tell stupid narrative lies?

Blogger CM August 09, 2017 11:43 PM  

Please, give me examples of people of this ilk that do not tell stupid narrative lies?

My intent wasn't to challenge you in such a way. And my assertion that at one time, they may have been intelligent, I'm reaching back 100+ years before the results of globalization had been fully explored.

Perhaps I was being pedantic.

Blogger tuberman August 10, 2017 12:05 AM  

98.CM

Yep, even today their are many "idealists" who believe they are angels while wearing masks and throwing bottles and trying to ambush Trump supporters.

John Stuart Mills in the 1850's defined SJWs and knew exactly what he was doing, as he intended much of this. These idealists are sometimes really idealists, but usually fanatics.

GB Shaw is an interesting example of this with his high favian socialism ideals, that allowed him to praise Stalin until long after the proof was obvious of what he really was the whole time.

There is absolutely no solid grounding for any of these kinds of ideals anymore in the present. The failures have been massive.

It's gotten to the point where third wave feminists are silent, and even defend the Paki Muslims in Rotherham over the Rapes, violence done, and turning out to prostitution of 11 to 16 year old White schoolgirls. This is where we are at, and this is where the "idealistic" angels have taken Western Civilization.

I don't care about their beginning ideals!

Blogger tuberman August 10, 2017 12:13 AM  

CM, BTW, These are not meant to be attacks just info for you to check out.

Anonymous Anonymous August 10, 2017 2:25 AM  

Imposter syndrome is a transparent ploy to comfort affirmative action beneficiaries and convince them that they really are qualified. Google does other thing to artificially inflate the skills of women. For example they made communications and the number of meetings a factor in promotions (and attending diversity seminars). And they are constantly bullshiting about how important social skills are im engineering to build up women who have poor technical skills. All of which sucks for the women who have real technical skills.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 10, 2017 3:18 AM  

"Couple this with the fact that a lot of the diversity hires at Google have been in those non-revenue departments and projects, and it's no surprise that people are touchy about the implication that they may be sub-par employees."

With their 2.5 GPAs and inability to complete the ridiculously simple Foo-Bar-Bazz programming test, why would they be put anywhere BUT irrelevent, non-revenue producing, non-revenue attracting projects.

Blogger Bodo Staron August 10, 2017 9:29 AM  

Damore is great at chess. I suspect this means something. He did not go on some national TV station, not even Fox.
He talked to Stefan. He talked to Jordan Peterson.

Blogger Kristian Nevantausta August 10, 2017 9:54 AM  

Bodo Staron: I noticed the same thing. He has not talked to the media as far as I know. Vox's wisdom seems to be spreading.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 10, 2017 12:55 PM  

Maybe that's because the media doesn't want to take ANY chance of the guy getting sympathy or becoming a martyr.

Which he already is anyway, but they're in bury-the-story mode.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 10, 2017 5:15 PM  

Forrest Bishop wrote:Here an irl item ...

What's the rest of the story? Inquiring minds want to know.

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