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Tuesday, August 15, 2017

Mailvox: the Pope of the Alt-Right

WS complained about my detached and contemplative approach.
Maybe Vox figures he's the Pope Benedict of the Alt-Right: the one who leads a contemplative life and assures us of his thoughts and prayers as we're getting the snot beaten out of us.
I found it mildly amusing that she thought I was thinking about them at all. There is a reason why I didn't know who Jason Kessler was until yesterday. It was because I paid absolutely no attention to the rally in Charlottesville, despite apparently having been invited to speak there, until it made the news.

Neither Clausewitz nor van Creveld ever commanded in the field. Karl Marx was considerably more influential as an author than as a labor organizer. And it seems unlikely that Alexander the Great's astonishing military success was entirely unrelated to the fact that he happened to have the greatest thinker in Man's history as his personal tutor.

In light of the surprising discovery that the front man for the so-called "Unite the Right" rally was a left-wing Obama voter, I've been giving some thought to the assertions of some of the petty self-proclaimed national socialists that they are too of the right. In this vein, I thought it would be profitable to consult Leon Trotsky on the matter. His thoughts, expressed in the dramatically titled, but perceptive essay "The Fascist Danger Looms in Germany" are thought-provoking, if less useful than one might have assumed.
In order that the social crisis may bring about the proletarian revolution, it is necessary that, besides other conditions, a decisive shift of the petty bourgeois classes occurs in the direction of the proletariat. This gives the proletariat a chance to put itself at the head of the nation as its leader.

The last election revealed -- and this is where its principle symptomatic significance lies -- a shift in the opposite direction. Under the blow of the crisis, the petty bourgeoisie swung, not in the direction of the proletarian revolution, but in the direction of the most extreme imperialist reaction, pulling behind it considerable sections of the proletariat.

The gigantic growth of National Socialism is an expression of two factors: a deep social crisis, throwing the petty bourgeois masses off balance, and the lack of a revolutionary party that would be regarded by the masses of the people as an acknowledged revolutionary leader. If the communist Party is the party of revolutionary hope, then fascism, as a mass movement, is the party of counter-revolutionary despair. When revolutionary hope embraces the whole proletarian mass, it inevitably pulls behind it on the road of revolution considerable and growing sections of the petty bourgeoisie. Precisely in this sphere the election revealed the opposite picture: counter-revolutionary despair embraced the petty bourgeois mass with such a force that it drew behind it many sections of the proletariat....

Fascism in Germany has become a real danger, as an acute expression of the helpless position of the bourgeois regime, the conservative role of the social democracy in this regime, and the accumulated powerlessness of the Communist Party to abolish it. Whoever denies this is either blind or a braggart....

The danger acquires particular acuteness in connection with the question of the tempo of development, which does not depend upon us alone. The malarial character of the political curve revealed by the election speaks for the fact that the tempo of development of the national crisis may turn out to be very speedy. In other words, the course of events in the very near future may resurrect in Germany, on a new historical plane, the old tragic contradiction between the maturity of a revolutionary situation, on the one hand, and the weakness and strategical impotence of the revolutionary party, on the other.
Now, there is without question a social crisis across the West. A severe social crisis of historic proportions, arguably more serious than the one of the previous century. But in every case, the big bourgeoisie is allied with government bureaucracies and the ur-communists in revolutionary hope while both the petty bourgeoisie and the proletariat are increasingly inclined towards counter-revolutionary despair. Moreover, the class metric is largely irrelevant, because the dividing lines are far more clearly identified on identity grounds than on class grounds.

In other words, from the Trotskyite perspective, we're in new territory here, and more sophisticated philosophical tools are required for useful analysis and prediction. But it is already clear that neither simple identity metrics nor conventional ideological metrics will alone suffice.

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196 Comments:

Anonymous Looking Glass August 15, 2017 6:03 AM  

Interaction with the metaphysical understandings of Communist/Marxist/any "Revolutionary" thought, I'm reminded of why it's so seductive to many people. It's like catnip to the midwit while being "free stuff" to the unintelligent.

As to the title point, doesn't that presume you're far more forgiving than you are?

Blogger Aaron Swenson August 15, 2017 6:06 AM  

Guess the Stormer is (((shut down)))?

Anonymous Killua August 15, 2017 6:13 AM  

I live in Germany and regarding the entire refugee situation, I would say that, while I definitely agree refugees should be helped, I personally would not want them as neighbors, based on my experience so far.

Anonymous Jeff August 15, 2017 6:14 AM  

The Alt-Reich retards are petty bourgeoisie?

I like it.

Blogger SteelPalm August 15, 2017 6:22 AM  

Trotsky was not a foolish man, even if Stalin completely out-maneuvered him, causing first his exile from Russia, and then his assassination in Mexico.

That is indeed a good description, although writing it in 1930, Trotsky couldn't realize (nor might he have been honest about it even if he had) how similar Hitler's regime by the mid 30's would be to Stalin's.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 15, 2017 6:24 AM  

@2 Aaron Swenson

No clue! But this entire set of events has been instructive. The Alt-Reichtard factions were never actually prepared for anything, being very fragile in all of their online presences. It highlights the need for Alt-Tech in general, but most especially as, while being utterly stupid in their optics, they are being attacked after being setup to be killed by local authorities.

The clear next play for the MSM & Deep State is to reuse this tactic on everyone on the Right. To the point that anyone Right of the NYT is a target.

Blogger Greg Thomas August 15, 2017 6:33 AM  

So speed of evolution of the crisis plays a role in weather hope (communism) or despair (reactionary imperialism) wins.

Seeing this formula laid out really makes one feel like a dancing monkey.

The question is then, what do the puppet masters have in mind? Are they cheering on a specific type of change? Or is it as simple Fabians vs Rhodes Society? I wonder where the Crown sits on this?

British Empire vs Germany best of 3?

Blogger Ron August 15, 2017 6:34 AM  

In other words, from the Trotskyite perspective, we're in new territory here, and more sophisticated philosophical tools are required for useful analysis and prediction. But it is already clear that neither simple identity metrics nor conventional ideological metrics will alone suffice.

In other words what we need is גאולה, or the english word: "redemption".

Blogger exfarmkid August 15, 2017 6:48 AM  

WS complained about my detached and contemplative approach.

That is what makes the place interesting.

Never thought Trotsky would be relevant to discussing U.S. politics.

OpenID aew51183 August 15, 2017 6:55 AM  

@2 @6

The Alt-retard went to the same google that has been in the news after their executives preached social justice and fired a Ph.D. biologist for daring to speak "hatefacts".

The left didn't kill their platform, they darwined it themselves.


Anonymous Icicle August 15, 2017 6:58 AM  

I think Leon Trotsky literally invented the word "racism."

Someone confirm that.

I also always liked the fact that Leon boned Frida Kahlo while in Mexico.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 15, 2017 6:58 AM  

@10 aew51183

For being "Nazi", they sure weren't tall enough for the Ride. So much for being Ubermensch.

Blogger Greg Thomas August 15, 2017 7:00 AM  

@ 8 Ron
Redemption sounds like salvation, which is Christian concept. But Roman Christianity seems to be conspiring to go through a corporate restructuring right at the moment...

Rome's recent ecumenical fetish shows them gearing up for shifting towards a (NWO) world religion with a new messiah sometime in the next 20 years. If that is their plan, then any efforts for redemption would be squashed to delay that until after the great unveiling of the great new phase of the Roman Empire which is still in business today.

So are the rag heads wolves sent into the village to toughen up the village (nation) peasants, or gladiatorial contestants to see who gets to be the proletariat of the upcoming neo Feudalism?

Either way I smell something bad coming. But as demographic change cannot be easily reversed without nastiness and swiftness before they feel too much at home...

...so are we maybe better off with 1984 (if its temporary) than we are with Brave New World retard nation of rape babies.

Taoists notice that the times are very interesting.

Anonymous grayman August 15, 2017 7:00 AM  

In the 1930's. Western cultures were still intact and had their "deep memories". They were cohesive as a culture even if in political flux.

Now we have little intact culture and have lost much of our cultural "deep memory". There is no anchor, no common thread to define ones self by except skin or victim status.
Without the cultural anchors of the past things should devolve to the only a anchors left and be a fight for the carcass of the west like hyenas and lions fighting for the elephant carcass.
The loser of this fight ceases to exist, the winner inherits the ashes of the west and task of rebuilding.

So choose your status, victim or white. Even if you aren't white, but refuse victim status you by default joined team white, there is little to no middle ground.

Anonymous Paradox August 15, 2017 7:01 AM  

Paul Gottfried has a great discussion with Tom Woods about fascism. Fascism: The Career of a Concept

Blogger Stilicho August 15, 2017 7:02 AM  

While it isn't yet an all-against-all disaster, it could very well end there. As you note, the big bourgeoisie are allied with govt bureaucrat/media mandarins (who control the apparatus of the courts and police). I would generally add the black/brown masses to that side of the equation. One the other side are the (mostly white) petty bourgeoisie and proletariat. There are fringe groups being used by others or pursuing their own monomanias, but thay aren't moving events per se although they can polarize the previously noted factions (e.g. BLM antics won't generally cause a white liberal to switch sides, but they will often cause joe sixpack to move from being apolitical to actively opposing the globohomo narrative).

The wild card is the ultimate action of the police and military. Traditionally made up of mostly petty bourgeoisie and proles, but recently more subject to diversity hires at all levels. Add in political control by the left (govt mandarins) and a tradition of non-involvement in "political" matters and they are potentially neutralized by the left or actively employed against the right (Berkley, Charlottesville).

The dynamic is similar to the American Revolution with the addition of the black/brown masses (which could be analogized to the Indians used by the Crown to attack/distract/freeze the frontiersmen and limit their participation in the war, although I'm not sure the relative numbers/strength support the analogy).

Anonymous grayman August 15, 2017 7:07 AM  

Let me clarify, I'm not going alt-white..... local conditions will deterimened the subset of western white, the regional ethno-nationalism, but from the conflict analysis perspective, team victim only sees white western oppressor not the specific cultural identity that they want eradicated. They hate french culture as much as German or Italian or any other white western culture.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2017 7:10 AM  

We seem to be somewhere in point 7 of Polybius' sequence of anacyclosis which he lists as 1. monarchy, 2. kingship, 3. tyranny, 4. aristocracy, 5. oligarchy, 6. democracy, and 7. ochlocracy. Ochlocracy is mob rule and we are in the midst of competition between demagogues for influence over the mob. This always ends with paralysis of the state until a new monarchy of sorts is established.

Understanding the nature of the demagogic factions (whether ideologically or in terms of identity) is less important than realizing that they are factions and that the situation is unlikely to resolve itself until we either reach total paralysis or the God Emperor or a similar equivalent seizes the throne. (I assume that would be in an Augustan fashion which includes continuing to pay lip service to the forms of the republic while in reality reigning as sovereign.)

That assumes that the state survives at all which it may not do. If it does not survive then the identity of the factions becomes the primary locus of tension rather than ideology. In inter-national competition identity trumps ideology. In fact, the ideological conflicts of the 20th century were almost always reduced, ultimately, to national conflicts. The Cold War was an ideological conflict but was mostly a competition between the Anglosphere and the Russians (with large contingents of other Slavs) for primacy. Obviously other nations were drawn into the conflict for ideological reasons but is reducible to questions of national supremacy. WWII, another ideological conflict came down to the same thing Germans vs. Russians. Anglosphere vs. Germans. Anglosphere vs. Japanese. etc. And the ideology of Germans and Japanese was explicitly of identitarian in nature.

Blogger SteelPalm August 15, 2017 7:11 AM  

@11 Icicle

I think Leon Trotsky literally invented the word "racism."

Someone confirm that.


Why don't YOU try to confirm it by spending 5 seconds investigating the question in a search engine, lazy idiot? That way, you could avoid repeating stupid bullshit that doesn't even sound likely to begin with.

From https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racism#Origin_of_the_term_.22racism.22;

An urban legend has developed in certain quarters that the term "racism" was coined by Leon Trotsky, which proves that talking about racism is a Communist strategy to destroy America and freedom. This is based on the fact that, in 1930, Trotsky used the word "rasisti" in his text The History of the Russian Revolution,[16] and the term "racism" appears to have cropped up in English some time later in the same decade.[17]

However, what this claim ignores is the existence of the roughly equivalent term "racialism", which was in use as early as 1907[18] and the word "racism" itself was used in English in 1902.[19] It should also go without saying that the abstract concepts of racial hatred and racial prejudice were recognized even further beforehand.[20]


That earlier 1902 use of the term "racism" by American soldier Richard Henry Pratt is mentioned multiple times through various sources.

Anonymous Icicle August 15, 2017 7:20 AM  

Why don't YOU try to confirm it by spending 5 seconds investigating the question in a search engine, lazy idiot?

So you did all the work for me then posted it?

This is based on the fact that, in 1930, Trotsky used the word "rasisti" in his text The History of the Russian Revolution

...Then you contradicted yourself by saying it "sounds unlikely?"

Who was the idiot again?

Sad!

Anonymous Sigmund Freud August 15, 2017 7:24 AM  

Leon boned Frida Kahlo while in Mexico

She had a moustache to rival Stalin. Clearly Trotsky was transposing his desire to fuck Stalin onto Kahlo.

Blogger SteelPalm August 15, 2017 7:25 AM  

@20

...Then you contradicted yourself by saying it "sounds unlikely?"

Are you really this fucking stupid? Using a word in a different language a good 30 years after Pratt first used it in English means Trotsky did not "invent" anything.

Nice job doubling down on your idiocy, though. That's one thing even a lazy moron can accomplish.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 7:25 AM  

Who was the idiot again?

You. Next time, do your own work.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2017 7:34 AM  

We're definitely in new territory. But to these eyes it rhymes with the circumstances that lead to the French Revolution far more than those that precipitated World War 2.

Imagine "Let us institute Terror as the order of the day" writ global.

Pray it never comes to that. That's not a prediction. I'm not saying that is going to happen. I'm saying people are angry. Very very angry. in Wave terms... Where we are today could theoretically take us there.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 7:36 AM  

I'm saying people are angry. Very very angry.

They are. But not angry enough to act, at least not yet. Instead, like Icicle, everyone is hoping someone else will Google it for them.

Blogger Jack Ward August 15, 2017 7:41 AM  

@VD 'to the fact that he happened to have the greatest thinker in Man's history as his personal tutor.'
Alexander also had handed to him the magnificent Macedonian army of top of the line hoplites. Arguably the best army in the world at the time. And, they were blooded, too, before seeing their first Persian. Though, A the great may have added to the effectiveness of cavalry already there.
Is Spencer the latest version of Hitler? I have no idea. I could get my head wrapped around the idea of Vox as a modern Aristotle who is waiting to instruct the next Alexander.We have the advantage over the Greeks. I don't believe they had popcorn.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2017 7:42 AM  

I think everyone is hoping that someone else will "Google it for them" because it is obvious that if the fires get stoked enough for people to start acting on their own things are going to get ugly. I agree with Nate on that. What we are seeing in terms of Antifa vs. Alt-White, Lite Right, Reich, etc. is an indication of that trend. I do not remember a similar incident where large numbers of white citizen started street fights with each other in the recent past. That seems a new development to me.

Blogger Phillip George August 15, 2017 7:45 AM  

Steve Martin in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels delivered one of the all time classic lines with "I've got culture coming out of my ass".

To wit, Alex Jones, Diamond and Silk are going to class action Google.

Get that. The people you are complaining to are the people you are complaining about. A Google-Swamp-Judge will hear a complaint by a Google-Swamp-Denizen about the Google-Swamp-System.

You know Mark Steyn has been suing Michael Mann forever over tweet sized review.

I jest Vox. We all want you to succeed. As Patton, Marx and Alexander. But they're all dead. Isn't there one single living success story on earth? I'll rush through the answer to that.

I'm still thinking Noah. Get out now. Get the f.... out while you still can. As the T shirt reads, Jesus is Coming, and boy, is He pissed.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 15, 2017 7:45 AM  

Many people who are angry enough still have too much to lose (jobs, customers, social status, etc.). Of course that's changing, little by little.

And the biggest prop of all, the fire hose of fiat money, is still alive. We'll float here with crosscurrents strengthening until that flow of "money" starts to really ebb.

Anonymous NH August 15, 2017 7:45 AM  

I see the culture split pretty heavily where I'm at between Baby Boomers and 80% of Millennials and Gen-X and the other 20% of Millennials.

You can usually guess who's on which side based on their relationship to bureaucratic systems and govt handouts. Even if they pine conservative ideals.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 7:46 AM  

Alexander also had handed to him the magnificent Macedonian army of top of the line hoplites.

And yet, he accomplished incomparably more than the Spartans, the Thebans, or other similarly excellent armies.

Blogger SouthRon August 15, 2017 7:47 AM  

Instead, like Icicle, everyone is hoping someone else will Google it for them.

And then when you do try to instruct them they don't want to hear it and attack you instead. Kinda like last night's Darkstream.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 15, 2017 7:48 AM  

Neither Clausewitz nor van Creveld ever commanded in the field. Karl Marx was considerably more influential as an author than as a labor organizer. And it seems unlikely that Alexander the Great's astonishing military success was entirely unrelated to the fact that he happened to have the greatest thinker in Man's history as his personal tutor.

That's a great point. Who are you going to tutor? If one of them is American, I'd recommend Pax.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 15, 2017 7:49 AM  

I'll vouch for his high intelligence, flexible thinking style, and character.

Anonymous Anchorman August 15, 2017 7:50 AM  

I don't know. Seems more like Ben Shapiro's role in the lead up to the Iraq War.

Blogger exfarmkid August 15, 2017 7:50 AM  

We're definitely in new territory.

Yeah. With no need to have gone there.

Just think how many problems could still be resolved or simply lived with if the concept of "federalism" came back in vogue. Which simplistically comes down to "mind your own business".

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 15, 2017 7:51 AM  

Vox is an Indian living in Italy. I don't see how American nationalism is his fight. Obviously, the various national movements within the Alt Right should be allies and can contribute to each other's intellectual foundations. Still, no one who calls himself Alt Right or a nationalist should be clamoring for foreign leadership. Would you consider it a god sign if a right wing group/party in Japan were begging a foreigner to take a leadership role?

It is like the people who want Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court. Either his background alone should, in the absence of exceptional circumstances, disqualify him, you believe in magic dirt or you are a multiculturalist.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2017 7:54 AM  

As soon as I have time I will post precisely on this very point on MOTW.
You are not wrong that we are in new territory. But I think the solution(s) are relatively simple if quite revolting to most.
And while the underlying philosophy is complex, the actions required are not.

It's interesting to see how we both come at this problems from slightly different angles.

Blogger Quilp August 15, 2017 7:55 AM  

I prefer someone like Vox remaining aloof, to say, Steve Hayes or Ben Shapiro making common cause with ANTIFA against Trump. In their lust to win back what they feel was stolen from them, they have made a choice, picked a side. They chose the violent arm of the very fringe of the far left. In doing so, they don't, as they seem to think, lend credibility to themselves with the left. No, they give whatever credence they had left to ANTIFA. When the History of this era is written, ANTIFA becoming normalized to Americans, brought about by the treachery of the cuckservatives deserves a separate chapter.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 7:56 AM  

I don't know. Seems more like Ben Shapiro's role in the lead up to the Iraq War.

Really? Am I an 18-year-old telling you that your absolute highest priority is to take up arms and take Charlottesville away from the mayor?

Your rhetoric is not merely toothless, it is retarded.

Should Aristotle have marched on Persia instead of Alexander? Would the results achieved have been better?

Blogger SouthRon August 15, 2017 7:56 AM  

I do not remember a similar incident where large numbers of white citizen started street fights with each other in the recent past.

The enemy has done his job. If you can turn a people against itself you don't have to build an army to conquer them.

I could get my head wrapped around the idea of Vox as a modern Aristotle who is waiting to instruct the next Alexander.

Maybe he should instruct Nate. He's Greek and he's been waiting to kick the crap out of somebody.

Since text doesn't carry tone, I'm only half joking.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 15, 2017 8:01 AM  

@25 VD

From a 4th Gen Warfare point of view, people can get a lot more angry before things break. The "Right", generally, is the party of Order over Emotion, so making angry the ones that control their emotions better has long be an easy "out" for the Left. The Right won't kill the Left... until you get to Pinochet. (Or you finally wake the Saxon.)

But, Trump has a unique position to push off the confrontation by several decades. Getting Trade fixed will flood the middle with money because production will shift back to the States. Remove Illegals is more jobs for Americans. That'll tamp down a lot. However, it's the response to the future lynchings by Antifa that's going to be the key point.

Those on the Right have much more to lose, so there's a Risk:Reward analysis at play. Once Antifa murders someone in a way that can't be hide, how Trump responds will dictate everything that comes next. If he unleashes the Feds on the entire network in a very public way, serious civil unrest is abated for a while. Hillary in the same situation? Everyone grabs their guns and it's open season on politics. (Thank the Lord every day that he put Trump in office.)

Things are going to still escalate because the Left only does escalation, but realize it has a good chance to be a repeat of the 1968 DNC fiasco for the Left. That event knocked them out of power for about 30 years at the Presidential level.

Anonymous Icicle August 15, 2017 8:02 AM  

Clearly Trotsky was transposing his desire to fuck Stalin onto Kahlo.

Quite possibly. Also the fact she was pissed at Diego Rivera at the time about his own cheating. Who's to say about that one, really.

Are you really this fucking stupid? Using a word in a different language a good 30 years after Pratt first used it in English means Trotsky did not "invent" anything.

Quite aware of that fact. Read what I wrote... AGAIN. But you can see why people speaking English would think that train of logic "sounds likely," not being versed in Russian making it "more likely" from their point of view. Especially compared to Pratt who is basically a nobody compared to Trotsky. Think fast: why is it called a Bunsen burner?

Nice job doubling down on your idiocy, though. That's one thing even a lazy moron can accomplish.

I think a lazy moron would actually lack the effort to double down, since that would require actual effort. Good try there though, but such small portions!

You. Next time, do your own work.

Interesting thought process there Vox. How dumb was that James Watt guy? "Damn that industrial revolution! Don't use the steam engine idiot, do your own work!" QED.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2017 8:05 AM  

"Should Aristotle have marched on Persia instead of Alexander? Would the results achieved have been better?"

it occurs to me that you've learned from the mistakes of another thinker who fancied himself a master of military things... until his notion was actually tested in the real world through military drill.

Anonymous Jeff August 15, 2017 8:06 AM  

Who are you going to tutor?

He is tutoring all of us daily, here and on the Darkstream.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2017 8:08 AM  

Icicle...

drop it. Jesus. Tripling and quadrupling down is not gaining you anything here but contempt.

Just stop talking and let it go. and learn from it. Next time something like this happens just admit you were wrong and roll on. Have a sense of humor about it. It happens to everyone including Vox.

We're all wrong from time to time. we all screw up from time to time. How we react to those times largely determines how much respect we get.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 15, 2017 8:08 AM  

The Left whether calling itself Occupy or Antifa has this great fantasy that the Soros paid for mob will bring about their Utopian Revolution. Mob rule doesn't end well. The French got Robespierre and Bonaparte, the Russians got Lenin and Stalin, the Chinese got Mao, and the Spanish got Franco.

Anonymous Rocklea August 15, 2017 8:13 AM  

One things for certain, I don't see a King Zuckerberg in any possible timeline.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2017 8:25 AM  

The problem with the Left is they do not understand that no matter how long something seems capable of continuing it is going to have an eventual end. The Left think they can push the Right forever and there will be no reaction because as has been said above the Right is less likely to do something hasty. The Right are basically Ents. They are slow to anger. They want cool heads to prevail. But if they are finally pushed into open conflict then the Left should be aware of what that will mean.

Provoking to wrath the patient man who just wants to live his life and be left alone is very foolish. Because if you have pushed him to the point where he is coming for you then you can rest assured he is going to destroy you utterly.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 15, 2017 8:36 AM  

grayman wrote:Let me clarify, I'm not going alt-white..... local conditions will deterimened the subset of western white, the regional ethno-nationalism, but from the conflict analysis perspective, team victim only sees white western oppressor not the specific cultural identity that they want eradicated. They hate french culture as much as German or Italian or any other white western culture.

That actually hate ALL culture.

Their ultimate objective is Year Zero. A blank slate where all history is binned and all society can literally be designed from the ground up. The west is merely the first to go because that is where the their power is. Once they have achieved their aims here, they intend to use the wealth and power of the west to try and impose their vision everywhere.

Their goal is a society of rootless, interchangeable and atomised consumers. Parents will be nothing more than highly regulated custodians of future economic assets. Culture will be created in marketing boardrooms, subjected to endless changes and revisions to suit whatever fads are popular. Identity will be just another product to be sampled, consumed and tossed away.

As some guy on frogtwitter put it..their ideal society is a mulatto underclass spending their days clicking sponsored content, ruled over by an autistic Asian-Jewish elite where Soylent is the only legal food.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 15, 2017 8:36 AM  

I do not remember a similar incident where large numbers of white citizen started street fights with each other in the recent past. That seems a new development to me.

You would have found similar albeit less widespread and deadly white on white violence before World War I and to a lesser extent during the Great Depression. The newest wrinkle would seem to be the federal government's intervention on behalf of anarchists and revolutionaries to benefit what Vox termed "Big Bourgeoisie," capitalism mine (funny and useful term, as an aside). It's a very dangerous turn and more or less an open declaration of war on the white majority, or the petty bourgeoisie, with special dispensation for the oligarchs and their Congresswhores.

The enemy has done his job. If you can turn a people against itself you don't have to build an army to conquer them.

That's the pessimistic take. The more realistic analysis would seem to be the enemy has awakened a sleeping army. It will take a catalyst, likely a catastrophic economic downturn or military loss (the latter is the historical default, of course) to bring this to a complete head, but numerically I like our prospects for a decade or two. The Soros-paid communist goons defacing historical monuments while the police grin like jackasses is waking folks up. Will it be quickly enough?

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 8:38 AM  

But if they are finally pushed into open conflict then the Left should be aware of what that will mean.

The Right has been issuing dire warnings about this since the 1960s. The Left, quite reasonably, has reached the conclusion that the Right is full of shit and has no intention of ever getting its fat ass off the couch.

There was a time when the American Indians could have prevented the French-English-Spanish conquest of North America. Once that nexus passed, it was too late. It would certainly be ironic, and perhaps even fitting, if the descendants of the conquerers make the same mistake we did.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 15, 2017 8:40 AM  

@49 Sherwood family

I think it's important to remember that most hardcore Leftists won't understand their mistake until they've met the devil face to face in Hell. It's part of what makes them very dangerous.

Blogger Matthew August 15, 2017 8:41 AM  

Icicle wrote:Why don't YOU try to confirm it by spending 5 seconds investigating the question in a search engine, lazy idiot?

So you did all the work for me then posted it?


That was delightful.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 15, 2017 8:48 AM  

@52 VD

Considering more guns & bullets keep getting purchased with each passing crisis, I think the Left just hasn't realized the Right has spent decades massively arming itself. The rise of Open & "Shall Issue" CC has actually been impressive. Which is why I also don't think we're in line for "open" warfare.

Doesn't mean the major cities won't burn to the ground, but army on army action is unlikely to happen in the way people think about it. The "lines" aren't wholly geographic in the way Civil War 1.0 was.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 15, 2017 8:50 AM  

Sessions is supposedly moving against antifa and some hosting company for their website and chat boards, we'll see.

We will see if the "Big boogwaa" comes to its rescue.

Blogger Michael Neal August 15, 2017 8:55 AM  

Very reminiscent of the Burning of the Reichstag

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 8:55 AM  

@17 "I'm not going alt-white..... ... team victim only sees white western oppressor ... They hate french culture as much as German or Italian or any other white western culture."

Why the hell not?! Do you think there is any chance on this planet for ANY White person to be found acceptable to "Team Victim"? Do you see any chance in hell that your skin will NOT immediately throw you into the "White western oppressor" as far as the enemy is concerned?

What are you waiting for? Do you, personally, have to be attacked and beaten, or your family attacked and raped before you finally agree that: yup, turns out that you ARE on Team White Western!

Try telling your enemy, focused on your destruction, that you are not their enemy -- and just see how far that protects you! You don't get a vote in who the enemy wishes dead -- you only get to be dead! Wake up! JOIN your side -- and you have no choice in which side it is, if you are a White Western/Euro-derived human -- you are not EVER going to be on Team Victim!

And they are not going allow for "neutrals" (and, in the end, neither are we!) -- tee up or get off the course.

Blogger dienw August 15, 2017 8:56 AM  

Re the use of the origin/use of the word racism:

Many years ago I came across an article stating that Trotsky was the originator of the term and that he weaponized it to label those opposed to Judeo-Bolshevism; he did the same with the term anti-Semite.

This fellow Pratt may have invented the word; but, Trotsky beat him to the patent office.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 15, 2017 9:00 AM  

It's a very dangerous turn and more or less an open declaration of war on the white majority

Including mainstream media mouthpieces openly helping to dox people.

Had to laugh this morning: the media/left/cucks pushed President Trump into specifically condemning right-wing violence yesterday -- and then immediately switched to beating him up for not doing it quickly enough. So last night he retweeted Jack Posobiec on the Chicago crime rate and the lack of outrage about that. Now they're all squealing: "Hey, we made him say what we wanted, no fair balancing it out later by pointing to the much higher rate of violence on our side!"

Soon they'll tire of tearing down Confederate statues (or the remaining ones will have armed guards), so they're already starting to eye other white-man statues. What was the play Hamilton, if not a dress rehearsal for the real thing? Antifa are flying their flag over cities they control while burning American ones. Things seem to be proceeding right along.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 15, 2017 9:01 AM  

"Vox is an Indian living in Italy. I don't see how American nationalism is his fight."
What do you think will happen to the Native American tribes whose reservations get repossessed by New Aztlan? Better off, worse off, about the same?

Anonymous Icicle August 15, 2017 9:06 AM  

How we react to those times largely determines how much respect we get.
* * *
That was delightful.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY

Blogger Michael Neal August 15, 2017 9:06 AM  

Stop using the term "google it" use "Duck Duck go"

Anonymous Rocklea August 15, 2017 9:12 AM  

"Stop using the term "google it" use "Duck Duck go""

Sounds more preppy too.

Anonymous Mr. H. Wyte August 15, 2017 9:14 AM  

I certainly agree that questions of identity and ideology are both important for the long term survival of our Civilization, but it is also clear to me that without first solving the problem of identity, ideology doesn't matter. Dividing ourselves over questions of economics and democracy without first solving the problem of identity only serves our enemies and ensures our ultimate defeat.

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 9:19 AM  

@52 Vox: "There was a time when the American Indians could have prevented the French-English-Spanish conquest of North America."

Prevented? Or merely held it off for a while? (And not a very long while.) I believe, even had the Indian nations joined together, they could not have held off White/Euro weapons long enough to develop their own versions.

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 9:20 AM  

@55 "Considering more guns & bullets keep getting purchased with each passing crisis,"

So don't stop! Arm up, ammo up (and lift)!

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 9:21 AM  

Prevented? Or merely held it off for a while? (And not a very long while.) I believe, even had the Indian nations joined together, they could not have held off White/Euro weapons long enough to develop their own versions.

If they had slaughtered every single European every time a ship landed, eventually the Europeans would have stopped sending ships.

Anonymous Rocklea August 15, 2017 9:22 AM  

Nations are more complex than tribes, that's why the west needs Christendom. It enlarges Identity and keeps ideology in check. Point 4 is vital.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 9:23 AM  

Prevented? Or merely held it off for a while?

Prevented. Several early colonies were wiped out. They clearly should have continued the practice, but unfortunately for them, gentler minds prevailed.

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 15, 2017 9:25 AM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:Prevented? Or merely held it off for a while? (And not a very long while.) I believe, even had the Indian nations joined together, they could not have held off White/Euro weapons long enough to develop their own versions.

If they had slaughtered every single European every time a ship landed, eventually the Europeans would have stopped sending ships.


And it took a great deal of cajoling to get the money for most of those expeditions to the Americas. Might have convinced the Europeans (for a time) that the world had an edge if all those voyages failed to return.

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 9:30 AM  

Josh: "If they had slaughtered every single European every time a ship landed, eventually the Europeans would have stopped sending ships."
Vox: "Prevented. Several early colonies were wiped out."

Gentlemen, surely you're not suggesting the 'invaders' would continue land mostly unarmed and unprotected! After the first couple of Euro settlements were wiped out, the newly arriving settlements would be preceded and/or accompanied by armies.

The Indians still only had non-metal weapons -- and even if they managed to take all the metal weapons of the few (not that well-armed) settlements -- they'd run out of gun powder and bullets right-quick! (Not very effective clubs, those muskets...) And when the next boatload, loaded for bear, showed up ... ?

I don't see any 'prevent' possible. Hold-off for as while, sure. Stop? No: the law of conquest still applies: metal distance weapons outweigh wood-and-sinew weapons. Nothing about the right, morality, or quality of the bearers, everything about the effectiveness of the weapons.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2017 9:33 AM  

Heheheh never trust a wordy wop

Blogger Robert Divinity August 15, 2017 9:34 AM  

Soon they'll tire of tearing down Confederate statues (or the remaining ones will have armed guards), so they're already starting to eye other white-man statues. What was the play Hamilton, if not a dress rehearsal for the real thing? Antifa are flying their flag over cities they control while burning American ones. Things seem to be proceeding right along.

Location, location, location. Antifa and the half-assed revolutionary vanguard it represents has occupied territory and proceeded to demolish monuments and history within those borders. Will it dare venture out from, say, Durham to Asheville? When vandals in non-occupied areas destroy an MLK or other civil rights monument, will the federal government treat the matter differently? These are two issues about to reach a head. What happened in Durham last night was as significant as the Danish cartoon riots, which marked Islam's successful erosion of Western democratic traditions. There was a moment after the cartoon riots that Westerners could have banded together to uphold their ancient liberties and they flinched. That moment came to Durham last night in a different context, and whether the communist goons were successful or not will be determined when they fan out into hostile territory to enforce, as you wrote, their vision of "Hamilton," the debasement of its namesake.

Blogger DonReynolds August 15, 2017 9:35 AM  

The reason Trotsky's analysis seems strange to us today is because of Orwellian limitations we have accepted on our language of ideas. The missing word is "reactionary", which for Trotsky would fit the counter-revolutionary role exactly.
The ideological battle is what causes the civil war, not the other way around. Without the ideological conflict, there would be no war. It is the ideological division that makes civil war necessary.

The election of Donald Trump was not a revolutionary act, but a reactionary one. His election was a counter-revolution to the revolution by Obama Leftists. The Obama revolution failed to convince the proletariat and the kulaks that his racist policies were in their best interests (because they weren't). The Obama revolution was little more than a palace revolt and was deliberately undemocratic, which is what created the opportunity for reactionary elements. The fact that the revolution targeted ethnic minorities ONLY and made a mockery of the mores of the people... created the opening for the reactionaries, who promised to restore what was stolen and the moral (and legal) order that the proletariat feels was broken. The Obama negative impact on the kulaks (and the proletariat) is beyond dispute.

The Leninist nature of the Obama revolution was obscured by its obvious racism. They captured the "commanding heights" in the universities, corporations, and churches. But too many of the white proletariat were left out of the revolution, so it appeared to them that a gang of foreign and ethnic bandits had taken over the government and proceeded to rape and pillage the white countryside. Even if this had been constitutional, the biased and self-serving looters would have offended the mores of the people and demonstrated gross hypocrisy. They simply lied, even when the truth would have served them better.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 9:35 AM  

The Native Americans had the world's finest light infantry. If they had been unified in racist solidarity, as their genetic interest dictated, they could've exterminated clueless whites instead of permitting them to relearn the ancient way of war. With the forest as their bulwark, they could've persisted into modernity as a 90 IQ collection of nations.

Racism is life.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 9:41 AM  

After the first couple of Euro settlements were wiped out, the newly arriving settlements would be preceded and/or accompanied by armies.

After the Roanoke colony disappeared in 1590, the English didn't establish another colony for 17 years.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 15, 2017 9:42 AM  

Robert Divinity wrote:Location, location, location. Antifa and the half-assed revolutionary vanguard it represents has occupied territory and proceeded to demolish monuments and history within those borders. Will it dare venture out from, say, Durham to Asheville

The larger problem is that these groups are neither half-assed or a vanguard at this point. They have been adopted by the mainstream left. Witness the mainstream media, CEOs and senior cuck Republicans frothing at the mouth simply because Trump dared to condemn their continued violence (and he didn't even call them out by name). They will have media support everywhere and police support in every red, purple or cuck blue jurisdiction. The conflict is quickly becoming militarized and the Right should prepare accordingly.

Blogger Lazarus August 15, 2017 9:42 AM  

Michael Neal wrote:Stop using the term "google it" use "Duck Duck go"

Get Quacking?

Blogger Johnny August 15, 2017 9:46 AM  

I believe what has happened is that he moneyed interests have figured out that the alleged proletarian revolution can easily be easily corrupted into something that serves the interest of wealth. Thus we have a current merger of big money, big business, and the various poor and race (or ethnic) groups they use as allies. What is going wrong is that aside from the "rape and pillage the white countryside," they govern badly. Not satisfied with their current gains they are attempting to double down in ways that are damaging to society generally.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 15, 2017 9:46 AM  

Ezekiel Cassandros wrote:"Vox is an Indian living in Italy. I don't see how American nationalism is his fight."

What do you think will happen to the Native American tribes whose reservations get repossessed by New Aztlan? Better off, worse off, about the same?


Probably about the same. The government handouts would dry up and casino revenues would suffer. Increased poverty would be counterbalanced by the need to work to live.

Anonymous Grayman August 15, 2017 9:54 AM  

@nate 24

The left would just love to re-enact the Vendee!!! And once again its urban Vs rural. Given the modern reliance on infrastructure I wonder if a Vendee type purge could actually be successful in the US. Guerrilla attacks on supply chain and infrastructure could hobble the purging forces in a way that could not be done to the french forces of time given their lower tech.

Blogger rondolf August 15, 2017 9:55 AM  

It is interesting to me how Aoeli Pera continues to assume Vox is on the side of white people in the US, when it is manifestly obvious by these and other statements that he is not.
"It would certainly be ironic, and perhaps even fitting, if the descendants of the conquerers make the same mistake we did."
I don't think he considers us very essential to the preservation of western civilization, which given the results of what we've done to this continent, is not an unreasonable conclusion.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 15, 2017 9:55 AM  

@78:

We'll see when the Red Guard enters enemy territory. You may be right and they could be further entrenched that I think. We'll know soon enough. The point about media is certainly valid, and law enforcement increasingly so.

Samuel Huntington is popular around here. His vision seems eerily accurate superimposed on the United States and the flashpoints are known. We'll know soon enough.

Anonymous TS August 15, 2017 9:57 AM  

"The Native Americans had the world's finest light infantry."

Strange that the left overlooks the plight of indians and just focuses on blacks, mexicans, muslims etc...

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 10:04 AM  

> It is interesting to me how Aoeli Pera continues to assume Vox is on the side of white people in the US, when it is manifestly obvious by these and other statements that he is not.

That's because highly intelligent people have a dark sense of humor, and we like to use it for POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT!

:)

Anonymous fop August 15, 2017 10:04 AM  

But to these eyes it rhymes with the circumstances that lead to the French Revolution far more than those that precipitated World War 2.

Meh. You're still thinking ideologically. Most people don't know who Lee or Forrest were and couldn't care less about their statues.

The thing that will stir this pot will likely be financial in nature. When people can't get food for their families they get angry.

Blogger Johnny August 15, 2017 10:05 AM  

Koanic wrote:The Native Americans had the world's finest light infantry. If they had been unified in racist solidarity, as their genetic interest dictated, they could've exterminated clueless whites instead of permitting them to relearn the ancient way of war. With the forest as their bulwark, they could've persisted into modernity as a 90 IQ collection of nations.

Racism is life.


Perhaps you are not using military terminology carefully. As light infantry the Indians sucked and were often easily beaten by the better armed and better organized European groups, and that was often even when the Europeans were greatly outnumbered.

What the Indian tribal people were good at was what we now call terrorism. They would spontaneously form small cells (warrior bands) and attack targets of opportunity.

When the European army would show up, often the Indians would form "light infantry." They were commonly driven off with ease, but before they accepted significant casualties, thus largely negating the value of the European army's victory.

The Europeans beat the Indians in a variety of ways. One was to become terrorists themselves, which was copying Indian methods. A second workable method was to form up a European army, drive off the Indian "light infantry," and then make the victory real by burning out their encampment. Or even better yet from a victory standpoint was to catch the Indians in a winter encampment and murder everybody (Wounded Knee).

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 10:05 AM  

It is interesting to me how Aoeli Pera continues to assume Vox is on the side of white people in the US, when it is manifestly obvious by these and other statements that he is not.
"It would certainly be ironic, and perhaps even fitting, if the descendants of the conquerers make the same mistake we did."
I don't think he considers us very essential to the preservation of western civilization, which given the results of what we've done to this continent, is not an unreasonable conclusion.


You're retarded. If you've read anything vox has written about western civilization or the alt right, your conclusion is unreasonable. FFS your 14 words is in his 16 points.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 10:08 AM  

The thing that will stir this pot will likely be financial in nature. When people can't get food for their families they get angry.

If that's the only thing that will set it off, we would be most fortunate. Absent apocalyptic disasters, we won't run out of food.

Anonymous Grayman August 15, 2017 10:12 AM  

@58. Avalanche

You misunderstand me. I believe an ethno-state may be the only stable solution. But as has been discussed here many times before, WHITE is not the defining quality. Its a combination of white & culture. Hence a Frenchman doesn't walk around talking about "save white France"! He doesn't identify as white, he identifies as FRENCH. Yes, white is an unspoken part of that, but the core underlying culture is the key defining characteristic. White-nationalism implies a Frenchman is a German is a Englishman is an American. That is false.
America has a greater challenge than Europe in that American culture has been more or less fully deconstructed over the last 50 years and must be redefined as we progress through this conflict.

Anyone who watches the MSM or the twitter streams should be well aware that white nonbelievers (alt-right and the like) who dont bow down to the god of diversity are being rapidly redefined as (other than human), i.e. nazi, racists etc. The ethnic cleansing is trivial to initiate once you have sufficiently redefined the target population as something other than human (see On killing by Dave Grossman)

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 10:12 AM  

> Perhaps you are not using military terminology carefully.

"terrorism"

lol

Anonymous Grayman August 15, 2017 10:18 AM  

@83 rondolf

I don't think he considers us very essential to the preservation of western civilization, which given the results of what we've done to this continent, is not an unreasonable conclusion.

Vox has actually stated the opposite on his darkstreams. He has stated that in his opinion the masses end up dominated by the west or by the Asians and that he believes rule by the west is much kinder then rule by the east. - (paraphrased)

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 10:19 AM  

The problem with all the theorizing about how long the Amerind tribes might have held out of they were united is that the United States mainland was a secondary point of contact. The Spanish were well-established long before it even became relevant... and unlike the British, they came as conquerors.

No, the only outcome would have been armed conquest, eventually.

Anonymous fop August 15, 2017 10:22 AM  

Absent apocalyptic disasters, we won't run out of food.

And that, strangely, is the worst case scenario imho. The slow grind to godless serfdom, the endless wars, the proverbial boot on the face for eternity.

Anonymous BBGKB August 15, 2017 10:27 AM  

Considering more guns & bullets keep getting purchased with each passing crisis,

Plant some fruit/nut trees and put a 5 gallon bucket of rice or beans into storage.

and bullets right-quick! (Not very effective clubs, those muskets...) And when the next boatload, loaded for bear, showed up ... ?

Sounds like someone never calculated the amount of food a family needs for 1 year. Even if they could have showed up with a concrete fort quantity has a quality of its own. That said Indians were sparsely populated needing multiple square miles per person for foraging.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 10:28 AM  

After the first couple of Euro settlements were wiped out, the newly arriving settlements would be preceded and/or accompanied by armies.

Not possible. Far too few ships and the armies - and navies - were mostly occupied the time. Stop opining on matters of which you clearly know nothing.

The Japanese were never going to invade the West Coast either, for much the same reason.

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 10:30 AM  

I don't think he considers us very essential to the preservation of western civilization

That is incorrect. Instead of erroneously intepreting my words that are unrelated to the subject, why don't you simply read what I have written regarding it?

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2017 10:31 AM  

I must say that the Media's ability to get away with lying about every aspect of what happened in Charlottesville makes me very pessimistic about the wisdom of holding such events in areas that are not clearly friendly. Which is not always clear in advance.

Blogger rondolf August 15, 2017 10:32 AM  

"Vox has actually stated the opposite on his darkstreams. He has stated that in his opinion the masses end up dominated by the west or by the Asians and that he believes rule by the west is much kinder then rule by the east."

I am talking about t he white people on this continent specifically. I am pretty sure if Europe decides to get its act together they will not need us to carry on western traditions and act as a suitable counter weight to China and India.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 10:38 AM  

The Japanese were never going to invade the West Coast either, for much the same reason.

It turns out that the gulf coast was their actual target

Anonymous BBGKB August 15, 2017 10:39 AM  

to assume Vox is on the side of white people in the US, when it is manifestly obvious by these and other statements that he is not

I am siding with white people over the Folsom crowd that thinks getting AIDS so you can live on social security disability & eat $60,000 worth of pills a year is a good idea. I know where I don't want to be when the music stops.

Absent apocalyptic disasters, we won't run out of food.

There is only about 3 days worth of food in grocery stores, Just In Time deliveries rely on a lot of civilizational infrastructure. The US emergency grain reserves are less than 1/2 loaf of bread per citizen. Cut off the power to a DieVerse City would have the free stuff army rising against those who feed it, it only takes an accident to shut down many cities for most of a day

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 10:40 AM  

The Spanish were well-established long before it even became relevant... and unlike the British, they came as conquerors.

They only conquered the Aztecs because they had Indian allies.

Blogger DonReynolds August 15, 2017 10:40 AM  

@90 Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:The thing that will stir this pot will likely be financial in nature. When people can't get food for their families they get angry.

If that's the only thing that will set it off, we would be most fortunate. Absent apocalyptic disasters, we won't run out of food.


I agree, and this is not mere speculation or wishful thinking. We can actually revisit the Great Depression of the 1930s. Poverty does not trigger civil war nor does famine. Aside from the military suppression of the Bonus Marchers in 1932, there were no major uprisings.

The supply chain is vulnerable to disruption, much of the food moves by trucks on major highways, leaving the major cities very exposed. In such a situation, millions of people could experience food shortages in major cities...without recourse....even though food is plentiful.

Of course, interruption of the electric power would be much more immediate and cause more distress than stopping food deliveries. Almost none of the major cities have their own power plants.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2017 10:57 AM  

"They are. But not angry enough to act, at least not yet. Instead, like Icicle, everyone is hoping someone else will Google it for them."

Antifa is clearly angry enough to act. so is BLM. And it is those acts that galvanize the Right.

I agree the right is not angry enough to act.

It IS angry enough to react.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2017 10:57 AM  

"It turns out that the gulf coast was their actual target"

Roll Tide.

Anonymous Grayman August 15, 2017 11:00 AM  

@102 BBGKB @104 DonReynolds

Take a look, ignore the EMP aspect just read it for the implications of those portions of infrastructure going down, for whatever reason.

http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2473-EMP_Commission-7MB.pdf


Food supply and water supply are critical and the both are directly dependent on electrical infrastructure. A smart determined person could set off an unfortunate cascade failure.

Blogger Christopher Chantrill August 15, 2017 11:02 AM  

I think that the lesson of the 1930s is that nationalism is the answer to cultural despair. When things are going wrong, because the ruling class is screwing up as usual, you can and you should rally the despairing and the divided to the national flag.

As in "Make _______ Great Again."

Anonymous fop August 15, 2017 11:16 AM  

"I agree the right is not angry enough to act.
It IS angry enough to react."


Then why didn't they?

Blogger DonReynolds August 15, 2017 11:19 AM  

@88 Johnny
"Perhaps you are not using military terminology carefully. As light infantry the Indians sucked and were often easily beaten by the better armed and better organized European groups, and that was often even when the Europeans were greatly outnumbered."

Three centuries of Indian Wars in America are difficult to summarize. The Europeans had their own military philosophy and the Indians had theirs.

The first two centuries of the Indian Wars were unique. The Euros were badly outnumbered and Indian wars and uprisings frequently pushed BACK the frontier, wiping out entire white settlements and towns. This entire era was characterized by the "trembling defense" of forts and blockhouses, which were built as places of refuge for local settlers. This did not always work well. In Tennessee, white settlements were a fort or blockhouse every 9 miles because that was the most a horse with rider could gallop through Indian territory.

The last century (really less) of the Indian Wars was characterized by mobile Euro armies that could move quickly (cavalry) or were irresistible (infantry with light artillery).

The Indians did not suffer from a technological disadvantage (they quickly adopted the firearm and mastered the horse) so much as a matter of social organization and logistics. The Euro armies were better supplied, much larger, and could campaign through the winter months. A war party of 10,000 Indians...like Custer faced...was unusual because it was difficult to sustain such a force by living off the land, particularly in the more remote high plains, and even that ability was seasonal and very weather sensitive. The Indian formations did not have the ability or the resources to campaign for years at a time, while the Euro armies could.

Blogger Rabbi B August 15, 2017 11:29 AM  

@37 Bobby Farr

I don't see how American nationalism is his fight.

Because the preservation of Western civilization should be everyone's fight.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 11:29 AM  

"They only conquered the Aztecs because they had Indian allies."

The same thing could be said of pretty much every conquering force in human history prior to the 19th century. The use of local allies is a functional necessity in pre-modern campaigns.

Anonymous BBGKB August 15, 2017 11:30 AM  

Take a look, ignore the EMP aspect just read it for the implications

I am well aware a 80-90% die off is possible, I have even had stuff posted on survivalblog.com

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 15, 2017 11:36 AM  

Indian diversity was what prevented a Continental resistance. The Seminoles held their territory for centuries, but the Lakota were too interested in moving the Shoshone out of the Dakotas to care that the Iroquois had designs on the Northeast.

Nothing like Compton, New York, on Somalia junior of today.

Thank goodness there's not a unified large ethnic group with designs for a fragmented mulricultural US territory...

Blogger LES August 15, 2017 11:36 AM  

This is what I posted on FB yesterday. No one commented. Did I get it right?

"The word ‘nation’ comes from the Latin ‘natio’ from which we get the words natal and nativity. It means a group of people who share the same genes of race or ethnicity, language and culture.
Some countries, political states, are based on race and ethnicity such as Japan, Korea, China although they are considered Asian as a group. Sub-Saharan Africa has its various tribes that have different languages and cultures even though they are of the same race. Europe is divided into countries with different languages and cultures yet are considered caucasian. The United States has been predominately caucasian.
(If you are caucasian, no matter how long you live in China you will never become Chinese.)
Often these groups experience conflict with war between countries or a struggle for one group to dominate another within a country.
Tribalism is not the same as racism. A person can identify with his tribe, race or ethnicity without hating people from other tribes. Preference for your own tribe does not mean a person hates people of other tribes. I am an Oregon Duck fan; I don’t hate Beaver fans. I am a caucasian man; I do not hate people from other races.
So what is the problem today? I will tell you plainly. The culture war today is a war on Christendom. Western civilization is based on Christianity. Western civilization was created by caucasians. Today Christianity is considered not only false, but evil. Therefore, Western Civilization is bad and so are the white people who created it and sustain it.
The globalists who would rule the world are deliberately flooding Europe and the United States with people from non-white races for the purpose of destroying Christianity by defeating Western Civilization and marginalizing white caucasians.
They may succeed but conflict is likely. White people are beginning to resent being blamed for all the ills of society and paying for sins they did not commit. No one objects to Black Lives Matter or La Raza (the Race) but white people are condemned for any sign of white people defending their identity.
There are extremists on the fringes of white identity. Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists do not represent ordinary white people but they get all the media attention. The attempt to associate the white extremists with any white person who refuses to apologize for being white will fail. The Alt-Right is not an organization or even a movement. It is simply white people waking up to the fact that they are hated for being white, for Western Civilization and for Christianity.
Unfortunately, I believe much more strife and conflict lie in the future."

Blogger The Morrigan August 15, 2017 11:36 AM  

Most of my mission online is to be the institutional memory. In fact about 90% of my posts in /pol/ are in this vein.

Icicle: unibrow is hawt.

Blogger DonReynolds August 15, 2017 11:42 AM  

@109 fop wrote:"I agree the right is not angry enough to act.

It IS angry enough to react."


Then why didn't they?


Whites are not going to do anything until they are convinced that the threat is credible. That is why a race war is unlikely because 12 percent of the population is not a credible threat.

When you convince them that Hillary voters, roughly half the population, are attacking...then you will have a credible threat and they will react to violence (and possibly the threat of violence). This is the danger when half the country is trying to depose the president. If they realize that, it could start a violent reaction.

Blogger The Morrigan August 15, 2017 11:44 AM  

The people you are complaining to are the people you are complaining about.

Indeed. Which is why The Anderson Tapes is such an illustrative movie.

Let's take a hypothetical situation: a mass murder at a pig farm where politicians are involved. You're not going to complain to the cops who are in on it, you go to the IC who have been crawling all over the area for years, and you go to a foreign government whose citizen was a victim.

Blogger Jesse Jackson August 15, 2017 11:45 AM  

An observation from someone who doesn't pick a side until victory is more than likely. This alt-right movement would be better off staying strictly with online media. Forming mobs to compete with other mobs in the street will get you no where since msm and most of the political class will never show you sympathy anyway. Our social systems will continue to push everyone to a side. The left of liberal democrats and antifa posers, or the right(alt-right). Anyone worth having will find you and agree with the ideas and principles, ideas will win in the end. Democrat liberals have nothing but juvenile fantasies. Also get rid of the Nazi gear and confederate flags, that's a loser no doubt.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2017 11:59 AM  

People are seriously grousing that people who are typified by high intelligence and low time preference are not risking their incomes and their lives yet?
White Americans will act when it is clear that they must, and they don't see any reasonable way to to avoid it. I expect Antifa to burn out in the next couple of days, and a dozen strategic arrests would shut it down. There's no need to start the festivities yet.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 12:02 PM  

Snidely, you gotta remember that Vox's Injun side is spoiling for a fight.

But seriously, it's called restraint. The danger isn't in impulsive dumbasses doing impulsive, dumbass things. The danger is when men of restraint set it aside for implacable resolve.

Blogger ZhukovG August 15, 2017 12:06 PM  

@LES: Not bad. However in my experience you should try to distill your message down to around three to five sentences. That seems to be about the average attention span these days.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 12:10 PM  

Americans are gutless homosexuals for not torching abortion clinics.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 15, 2017 12:21 PM  

People are seriously grousing that people who are typified by high intelligence and low time preference are not risking their incomes and their lives yet?

That sums it up pretty well. People like that don't see it in terms of hopping on a bus and going to "punch Nazis" for a weekend, then going back to school on Monday. It's a lot more apocalyptic, an "If I do this, there's no going back to normal, so I'd better make arrangements for my family just in case" kind of thing. It will take a higher tipping point.

I expect Antifa to burn out in the next couple of days

I'm not sure about that. I do think some arrests would do it, but will there be any? If they continue to be allowed to riot, destroy monuments, and fly their flags over city halls, it could go on for quite a while.

I didn't understand at first that Antifa isn't just another group of dumb college kids being organized on Soros's dime. There is a serious core of Communists there who intend to destroy America and bring the good old Revolution, and they seem to think this is the big chance they've been working towards for decades. They don't care much about optics (and they get media cover), just attacking. They may not run out of energy for a while if they aren't discouraged.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 12:24 PM  

"Americans are gutless homosexuals for not torching abortion clinics."

The early Christians were gutless homosexuals for not torching pagan temples!

You talk a big game, but you offer no example for people to follow. How about you try that, then get back to us.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 12:30 PM  

Cail - What we'll see with antifa is more riots in blue cities that put up with their crap. It'll get nowhere in the rest of the country.

Blogger tz August 15, 2017 12:32 PM  

And it is official, the Losertarian Party is fully converged.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 15, 2017 12:33 PM  

The danger is when men of restraint set it aside for implacable resolve.

Unfortunately, people don't believe that until they see it. They like to think there are nice people over here and violent people over there, so if they've only seen you be nice and restrained, telling them about the alternative sounds like empty boasting to them.

Then when you're finally bouncing some guy's head off the pavement, they forget about all the warnings and actually get offended: "Well, gosh, you didn't seem like you were that upset about it. You should have said something."

There doesn't seem to be any getting through on that. People will continue to expect white men to do nothing until white men do something, and then they'll claim we didn't warn them.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 15, 2017 12:35 PM  

@126 S1AL: Agreed. They have plenty of blue cities to work with; no need to go outside their home field yet. So I don't see much down-side in a week of Antifa destruction.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 12:38 PM  

Yup. It's like with Charlie Gard. We freaking warned people that socialized medicine would lead to death panels. And then that happens, and the squishy center-left is aghast and shocked...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2017 12:45 PM  

S1AL wrote:You talk a big game, but you offer no example for people to follow.
So, ironic overstatement isn't a thing your your planet then?

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 12:46 PM  

> You talk a big game, but you offer no example for people to follow.

AKA "not getting caught"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2017 12:49 PM  

tz wrote:And it is official, the Losertarian Party is fully converged.
Wow, Stefan laid the smack down there.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 15, 2017 12:51 PM  

"rondolf wrote:It is interesting to me how Aoeli Pera continues to assume Vox is on the side of white people in the US, when it is manifestly obvious by these and other statements that he is not.

"It would certainly be ironic, and perhaps even fitting, if the descendants of the conquerers make the same mistake we did."

I don't think he considers us very essential to the preservation of western civilization, which given the results of what we've done to this continent, is not an unreasonable conclusion.
"

Dude, you're severely harshing my mellow man.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 12:54 PM  

"So, ironic overstatement isn't a thing your your planet then?"

From the Nazi-loving, Christian-hating, perpetually-defeatist source? No. Ironic overstatement is for people who share a baseline agreement on the issues.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 15, 2017 12:57 PM  

I must say that the Media's ability to get away with lying about every aspect of what happened in Charlottesville makes me very pessimistic about the wisdom of holding such events in areas that are not clearly friendly. Which is not always clear in advance.

The rallies could be held on planet White, in Cracker County, smack in the center of Honkeysville and the MSM would lie about them. It's simply not in their interests to tell the truth.

The When and Where of the rallies is ultimately incidental.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 15, 2017 12:58 PM  

SouthRon wrote:....

The enemy has done his job. If you can turn a people against itself you don't have to build an army to conquer them.

I could get my head wrapped around the idea of Vox as a modern Aristotle who is waiting to instruct the next Alexander.

Maybe he should instruct Nate. He's Greek and he's been waiting to kick the crap out of somebody.

Since text doesn't carry tone, I'm only half joking.


Heh, Sometimes the truth is funny.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 15, 2017 1:04 PM  

I believe what has happened is that he moneyed interests have figured out that the alleged proletarian revolution can easily be easily corrupted into something that serves the interest of wealth. Thus we have a current merger of big money, big business, and the various poor and race (or ethnic) groups they use as allies. What is going wrong is that aside from the "rape and pillage the white countryside," they govern badly. Not satisfied with their current gains they are attempting to double down in ways that are damaging to society generally.

As VD noted, Karl Marx was nothing more than the author of a book (one that didn't even sell very well in his own lifetime). In 1870, some idiots in Paris tried-out his ideas and it collapsed in a couple of months. Though Marx's economic theory was a joke, the parasitical type of oligarchs saw its potential and started to promote it. By 1914, its widespread embrace by "intellectuals" marked the end of the promo campaign. The intended beneficiaries of Marx's idea - the proles - weren't terribly interested in the notion, especially in western countries. In the collapsed Russian economy of 1917 most proles and soldiers were out of work with no means of support - thus a perfect "free-shit army" wiling to kill and pillage for a share of the loot. The big-box looters, realizing their potential to expand their strip-mining activity to a new area, pounced. That's why you have strange things like the (((Warburgs))), and their fellow parasites funding Lenin and (((Trotsky))) to overthrow the Kerensky government which took charge in Russia after the Tsar's abdication. Once the Bolsheviks were in charge, looting was carried out on a massive scale. Marxism is essentially the racket you describe: an alliance of the strip-mining elite and low-IQ criminal types who serve their interests in return for promises of a share of the loot. Remember the Occupy movement? They bitched endlessly about the "rich" as they took their pay from (((Soros))) and (((Bllomberg))), who somehow didn't qualify as rich. Thus we have the mega-rich parasites, their paid shills in (((gaslight media))) and academia, and the violent criminal dindus and assorted diversity welfare parasites poised to loot and pillage their targets - most of whom remain (((gaslighted))) to one degree or another.

Blogger Y S August 15, 2017 1:11 PM  

"And it seems unlikely that Alexander the Great's astonishing military success was entirely unrelated to the fact that he happened to have the greatest thinker in Man's history as his personal tutor." Very Hegelian of you. Bertrand Russel downplays Aristotle's influence on Alexander's empire building.

Blogger Elder Son August 15, 2017 1:13 PM  

@66 - Mind you, many of the Indian Nations also took one side or another with their various European oppressors.

The whole of the Indian Nations were fractured.

Note the end result.

Note the familiarity.

Blogger Elder Son August 15, 2017 1:17 PM  

You talk a big game, but you offer no example for people to follow. How about you try that, then get back to us.

And if he did, would you then follow?

Abortion mills and Pagan temples have been torched, yet no one followed.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 1:22 PM  

"And if he did, would you then follow?

Abortion mills and Pagan temples have been torched, yet no one followed."

It didn't work because it's stupid, ineffective, and contrary to the Gospel. The same notion that leads to burning down abortion centers leads to killing abortion doctors... or Nazis, Communists, prostitutes, pagans, atheists... It never ends.

Blogger Gary Eden August 15, 2017 1:23 PM  

Avoiding meat space means we loose.

Blogger Al August 15, 2017 1:24 PM  

What? Thomas Aquinas didn't teach Alexander the Great. Oh, you meant Aristotle. ;-)

Anonymous Grayman August 15, 2017 1:25 PM  

@142

The same notion that leads to burning down abortion centers leads to killing abortion doctors... or Nazis, Communists, prostitutes, pagans, atheists... It never ends.

Now just hold on one second buster!!! the Nazis, Communists, pagans, and atheists are fine, no need to get excessive!

Blogger Elder Son August 15, 2017 1:25 PM  

It didn't work because it's stupid, ineffective, and contrary to the Gospel. The same notion that leads to burning down abortion centers leads to killing abortion doctors... or Nazis, Communists, prostitutes, pagans, atheists... It never ends.

Remember that when they come for you.

Anonymous Grayman August 15, 2017 1:30 PM  

Any group that tries to set up a rally or other gathering and doesn’t have a battle plan including LP/OP, egress plans, defensive response teams and medical response teams, isn’t serious and should probably be avoided.
It should be crystal clear now that you are guaranteed 1 hostile opponent whenever you step onto the field, in antifa, and the police will be ambivalent at best and may be a second active opponent.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 1:30 PM  

I think you've mistaken my tu quoque argument for an endorsement of... something.

Blogger rondolf August 15, 2017 1:46 PM  

Patrick kelly "Dude, you're severely harshing my mellow man."

Our forefathers built a great and powerful nation and in the space of 50 years through a combination of being fat, stupid and lazy we gave it away to foreigners. And demonstrations like Charlottesville are just going to make things worse because the one thing we have going for us is Trump, and this just makes his job harder. The alt-white needs to take vox's advice about 4GW, but there is no sign of them taking anybody's advice on anything. So my mellow is also harshed.

Anonymous BBGKB August 15, 2017 1:57 PM  

This alt-right movement would be better off staying strictly with online media. Forming mobs to compete with other mobs in the street

Oy vey and boy cots are something only the left should touch.

You talk a big game, but you offer no example for people to follow

Move to a community that would just shoot misbehaving didndus, shovel, and forget. Why that sounds like a good idea, I will get on that by 2013

Media's ability to get away with lying about every aspect of what happened in Charlottesville makes

Cops released same day video of Gentle Mike Brown beating up an Asian liquor store clerk & all the hands up witnesses robbing a liquor store 10 min before he was shot. (((FAKE NEWS))) was still saying he was going from grandmas-church a week later. That was one of the biggest breaks in FAKE NEW. The video of the Cville inne cent black who was actually swinging a bat making threats for 5 min before he chimpped and attacked someone from behind 5 seconds before the FAKE NEWS version of his beat down can do the same. Video was linked by me on gab yesterday

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 2:06 PM  

> From the Nazi-loving, Christian-hating, perpetually-defeatist source?

If I had a higher opinion of your perspicacity, I'd say you were lying.

> The same notion that leads to burning down abortion centers leads to killing abortion doctors... or Nazis, Communists, prostitutes, pagans, atheists... It never ends.

Actually it does, when you finish killing them all. Then your son Solomon builds the Temple.

Are abortionists now living under grace? Surely our translations differ. Mine contains no mention of babies in the sheet lowered from Heaven, during Peter's dream in which God commanded him to "Rise, kill and eat!"

Blogger Elder Son August 15, 2017 2:12 PM  

tu quoque - Ah. A double whammy on both of you then.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 15, 2017 3:02 PM  

rondolf wrote:demonstrations like Charlottesville are just going to make things worse because the one thing we have going for us is Trump, and this just makes his job harder.
Harder?  We now have proof of Virginia state collusion with the felonies committed by Antifa.  This can take down entire Demorat-run STATES, not just cities.

If the rumor that Sessions has subpoena'd the contents of the Antifa web servers is true, this process is already under way.  Wait for subpoenas of communications within the VSP, Charlottesville PD and the mayor/gov.  That's when the axe will fall.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 3:20 PM  

"Actually it does, when you finish killing them all. Then your son Solomon builds the Temple."

Are you a Jew? Do you live in Israel? No? Then don't take the pretense that the Christian task is a physical kingdom. We've seen how far the misuse of the sword extends when that heresy is held.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 3:37 PM  

> Then don't take the pretense that the Christian task is a physical kingdom.

Sssssnake!

Every people should comport its nation in a manner pleasing to God.

And God has been very specific about what pleases Him.

Repent of your false idol the Constitution, before God burns it down just to make a point.

(Haha, too late.)

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 3:49 PM  

Says the guy who calls Dylann Roof a hero. Somehow I don't find your view of things persuasive.

Anonymous Kryst August 15, 2017 3:59 PM  

dude...(((teddy))) you need to stop calling yourself an indian. you are a fat balding middle aged white guy now living in europe. a mutt at best. you can't keep sidestepping and putting shit off. if you came to my town and called yourself la raza- which you have in past- they would fucking laugh at you and stomp your face in you dumb white man. indian? dude i'm related to the first white men that rode in tucson, az. i can regale you of stories of how while on horseback, the grass was up to the middle of his boots. ya they fucking battled apache. ya they fucking hated mexicants. ya indians would rape white women and steal children. ya my family had 5 brothers killed while working on a mill by indians. ya they got the rest of the fam and town and rolled out and massacred the indians. yaaaaaaa. all that wild west shit is real. it's in my DNA like quintus fabius vibulanus is. ya we got a crypt in the catacombs. ya we got a lot more too. ya you love italy. what is also real is the fact geronimo fucking hated mexicants. moreso than all you fucking jew cucks on here. ya we teamed up with apache/yacqui and hunted mexicants. i got some of that indian blood in me, somewhere. when i put my ear to the ground and let, i can feel the future. i'm not kidding. but i don't identify as indian so why the fuck do you? drop that shit. you are a bald middle aged guy from minnesota. you are better than that. i've realized i don't really hate stupid people, just pity them. ok ok maybe i hate them too. but i really hate people with capacity for high intel but waste it- or worse yet- twist things the wrong way for self-gain. don't be that guy. i know you don't consider yourself. and are fantasizing about being some exiled marx-like book writer in a far off land. you are better than that. don't be a fucking bitch. stand up for me. stand up for us. i already stand up for you knowing full well you are a pussy cuck that identifies with shitskins. you won't be spared quarter and you know it. you've spent too much time in europe. pull your head out.

how is that (((new right))) bullshit working out for you, mikey, and loomer? you are better than all those shitstains...stand on your own if you are a man like me.

whatever. this shit is all going to crash hard in 2019. til next time, bros.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 3:59 PM  

In the land of the eunuchs, the one-balled man is king.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2017 4:09 PM  

Shut up Obvious.

Anonymous Kryst August 15, 2017 4:11 PM  

shiiieet. phone posting gets hard with my big thick...long...italian..........fingers

sorry for typos i be busy as you all should be.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2017 4:41 PM  

I found a picture of your ... fingers.

I suppose they seem big compared to other parts...

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 15, 2017 4:43 PM  

Are abortionists now living under grace? Surely our translations differ. Mine contains no mention of babies in the sheet lowered from Heaven, during Peter's dream in which God commanded him to "Rise, kill and eat!"

That may be true, but surely Judeo-Christ threw a pizza from the roof of some spirit-cookhouse during St. Podesta's dream in which he uttered the command of "Rise, rape and consume!". Seems to be common vision of all who hold high office.

Anonymous Kryst August 15, 2017 4:58 PM  

wow bro why you got such a tiny jew boner for me? i would tell you to go stick your head in the canadian tundra like a good pussy...but you already got that covered.

look old man- I know it's hard for you to grasp the concept and fact that i fawking ripped the baton out of your boomer faggot hands and have it...but it's the truth. you are old, obsolete, slow, and ruining our team. so i ran backwards and ripped the baton from you old boomer fucks. ya. what.

telling me to shut up is not an argument and is something a 10 year old says when he has nothing to say. or a baby. which you seem to project onto others.

no i ain't obvious, that is obvious to anymore with a triple digit american iq...so you are SOL. he's a better man than me. i am a bad man, i swear.

get off my nuts and porch. you must have been the beatings obsessed nerd in school ya?

next

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2017 5:11 PM  

So, when does 3rd grade start? Any week now, isn't it?

I'm sure you'll pass it this time! Thrid time's the charm!

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett August 15, 2017 5:12 PM  

Sounds like women.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 15, 2017 5:23 PM  

Abortion mills and Pagan temples have been torched, yet no one followed."

It didn't work because it's stupid, ineffective, and contrary to the Gospel. The same notion that leads to burning down abortion centers leads to killing abortion doctors... or Nazis, Communists, prostitutes, pagans, atheists... It never ends.

I'm not seeing this, In a lot of areas with a strong determined religious Right , there are no abortion centers yet there are Nazis, Communists. Prostitutes , Pagans (the Midwest is full of heathens actually) and Atheist as well.

Unlike the Left, the Right knows how to stop.

To paraphrase BBKGB here "Then most of the problem were gone and they stopped coming" is a thing

At this time it might be ineffectual and depending on context, illegal but that is a separate thing.

S1AL wrote:Yup. It's like with Charlie Gard. We freaking warned people that socialized medicine would lead to death panels. And then that happens, and the squishy center-left is aghast and shocked...

My understanding is that the child has less than a 10% of living anyway, resources can be limited and triage either of those who won't live or whose quality of life in nil is moral at times . That said anyone stopping someone from using private resources is a monster

The Gard case kind of displays a bigger problem, American White people are mostly incapable of collective action or even cooperating in groups. They need to learn how to do this, stat without the military or police structures to hand hold for them.

This is part of why they don't revolt, the love of order, fear, laziness and no concept of any kind of order larger than a family at most. They don't even know what they want.

Its also why there was a real effort to attack Unite The Right, we do that and we will be a much stronger faction.

Its also why the .Alt Right is under an attack, its a way out of the dystopia

IMO we should learn from the collectivists. We used to be very good at that before the Red scare somehow convinced everyone that being organized was wrong

And yes I am fully aware of the lawfare and the bad law, very aware. Its a reason but its not an excuse.

On that note I watched a bit of OAN (One American Network) if you haven't seen it, its what Fox pretends to be.Civil Nationalist all they way. Its actually decent for second tier legacy media

There was coverage of some kind of any racism rally, it was staged, put together I think by some Jewish organization (I saw a ton of yarmulkes)

I was thinking to myself, why can't Whites, .the .Alt Right and company learn to cooperate like that ?

That's some highly orderly, efficient and smart operation right there.

we used to be good at that sort of thing. Maybe we should find a way to act that way again, be organized, operate for collective goals rather than waiting on an apocalypse

Blogger Dan Kurt August 15, 2017 5:34 PM  

@ Phillip George: "You know Mark Steyn has been suing Michael Mann forever over tweet sized review."

You have it backwards as Mann started it by sued Steyn. A Black Judge in DC has slowed down proceedings so not even discovery has occurred. Steyn writes about the travesty occasionally and has already published a book on the suit: A Disgrace to the Profession, Vol. 1.

One development is that Mann sued Professor Ball in Canada (B.C.) and failed to produce documents so has been declared in Contempt of Court. That was in January, 2017 and nothing has happened since but Mann should be the big loser here.

Dan Kurt

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 5:46 PM  

"I'm not seeing this, In a lot of areas with a strong determined religious Right , there are no abortion centers yet there are Nazis, Communists. Prostitutes , Pagans (the Midwest is full of heathens actually) and Atheist as well."

There's a difference between "getting them closed down" or "not allowing them" and "burning them down". The problem is that the people who want to burn things/kill people for violating moral law never take things to their logical conclusion. Or they're just interested in mass bloodshed. And they incessantly twist Scripture until they get the result they want, usually at the point where they're violating a whole bunch of other Scripture.

And Charlie Gard was British, not American, which is why it got to the stage it did.

Blogger Thucydides August 15, 2017 5:48 PM  

Circling back to the "Left/Right" thing, I can't help but notice the most complete example of what a future "Progressive" enclave would look like is California, and they are moving to a model of Feudalism scaled for an industrial age culture. Instead of Left/Right we might be better off looking at "Top/Bottom".

As an aside, a book I read many years ago become more preceptive now: "The Coming of the French Revolution" by Georges Lefebvre. The essential part of his thesis is the French Revolution was caused not by the Aristocracy or the poor, but by the Middle Class, who were fearful of their wealth and political rights being stripped from them by the Aristocrats (indeed , many laws were being passed prior to the Revolution to do just that), and also afraid of uprisings by the poor who would physically disposes them of their wealth and property. While many commentators have noted that we haven't seen the signs of the uprising or counter revolution yet, I suspect it is because despite everything, the threat to the middle class is still minimal and local in nature. You are in danger inside a "Blue" city for certain, but outside the threat is more diffuse and theoretical.

The Charlottesville riots are interesting because they are totally opposite to what the media is reporting (but we knew that already), rather they resemble the street battles between the Nazis and Communists leading up to the 1933 elections which brought Hitler to power. Once again there is no direct analogy here (this isn't going to materially help the Democrats in the short to medium term), but might be a glimpse of underlying power struggles within the various factions of the Progressive movement. The eventual winners get to go head to head with BLM, La Raza, the Islamists and so on, since the White Progressives are probably just as opposed to letting minorities take over as Alt Right/Alt- West supporters of Western civilization are. An army of Antifa or Sturmabteilung is probably the Progressive leadership's idea of long term insurance.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 15, 2017 6:06 PM  

"His thoughts, expressed in the dramatically titled, but perceptive essay "The Fascist Danger Looms in Germany" are thought-provoking, if less useful than one might have assumed."

Hardly surprising that a rootless cosmopolitan like Bronstein would be worried about fascism, or about any other hard core nationalist movement in one of the host countries.

On the "racism" thing-- rant incoming. Yeah, the glib attribution of the term to Bronstein is an oversimplification/ folk etymology. But there's a kernel of truth there.

There does seem to be some excessively black-and-white thinking here. There's really more than one question. When was the absolute first documented use of the word "racism" in English? Likely by Pratt in 1902, in the world-famous, vastly influential publication "Proceedings of the 20th Annual Meeting of the Lake Mohonk Conference Friends of the Indian" of that year (as Steel Palm noted). When did it enter into something approaching common written usage? Not until the late 30s. Google Ngram for "racism" vs. time:

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=racism&year_start=1800&year_end=2014&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cracism%3B%2Cc0

Next question-- was the older term "racialism" really a synonym for "racism" in the sense that the word is used today? The answer to this, at least in terms of connotation (not just denotation) is clearly "no." "Racialism" was a fairly neutral descriptive term back then, simply indicating the view that racial differences were more nature than nurture. It was not a pejorative. See WEB Dubois on racialism, for example.

When Pratt and other early adopters of the word "racist" used it, were they really using it in the modern, Frankfurt School sense, or just as a (non-pejorative) synonym for "racialism?" If you look at the original sources, it's pretty clearly the latter.

So Trotsky was at least one of the earliest to use the term in a way that implied that the target was some sort of evil counter revolutionary wrecker... but he used it in Russian. Who cares? (Though his "The History of the Russian Revolution" was translated into English in 1932, it does not seem to have led to any significant spread in usage of the term at the time).

A slightly later use of "racism" seems to correlate better with the start of its general usage. The notorious Magnus Hirschfeld, of "Institute of Sexual Science" fame, an early "sexologist" and promoter of homosexuality, transexualism, etc., wrote a book in 1934, which was published in English in 1938. That book was entitled "Racism." That's right, he literally wrote the book on racism, in which he attacked those who believed that there are significant genetic differences between races as not just wrong, but evil.

So Hirschfeld appears to be the likely source for the generalized usage of "racism" in the modern sense. There were sporadic uses of the word for decades prior to that, but it never caught on, and most of those uses were more as a synonym for "racialism" than in the modern sense of "evil hater, enemy of the state, and opponent of progress."

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 6:15 PM  

@77 "After the Roanoke colony disappeared in 1590, the English didn't establish another colony for 17 years."

And therefore the Indians would have retained control of this continent secula seculorum? Uh. No.

Anonymous lel August 15, 2017 6:20 PM  

You aren't a leader or commander of anything. The only reason most people know of you is because you're sometimes a guest on Stefan Molyneux's show.

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 6:25 PM  

@91 "America has a greater challenge than Europe in that American culture has been more or less fully deconstructed over the last 50 years and must be redefined as we progress through this conflict."

I believe the Euro nations have a harder time, because they ARE "countries" more than nations; and they (falsely -- or is it stupidly?) believed their colonies were actually part of (and therefore interchangeable with) ACTUAL French people and France.

America has some of the "nation" identification -- even though different (White) groups still have some loyalty to the 'auld sod.' But -- the swamping by non-Whites IS creating a "White" nationality in the U.S. It matters not that you self-ID AS this-or-that Euro derivation; it matters that the animals trying to break into your house or rape your daughter SEE (and decry) you AS White! (Thus, everyone will come to the Alt Right!)

SELF-preception will mean no more in the race war, than "self-identification" as "otherkin." Your skin IS your uniform; and you will fight WITH the (American) Whites, or die as one alone -- but you can't stay out of it.

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 6:29 PM  

@95 "Absent apocalyptic disasters, we won't run out of food."

And the apocalyptic disaster IS coming (and by weird coincidence) around the same time as Vox's timetable. The DEPTH of the oncoming/already begun ICE AGE is predicted to be around 2030 or 2031 (depending on whose math you use). Warming in not the problem the liars make it out ot be; COLD will kill millions. All those 'breadbaskets' -- all the millions who can no longer plant and harvest food for themselves or others? (An estimate is for Chicago weather in Atlanta: try to envision those 'golden fields of wheat' in the center of this country, UNDER ICE AGAIN!)

A little research and you'll be laying in food and blankets! And arms and ammo!

Blogger NeoNietzsche: August 15, 2017 6:42 PM  

@107 "directly dependent on electrical infrastructure. A smart determined person could set off an unfortunate cascade failure."

Matt Bracken, on Hagman & Hagman podcast described / discussed how ridiculously easy -- and already shown as proof-of-concept -- it is to shut down the grid.
"The Metcalf power station incidents in California last year seem to have been a dry run or proof of concept drill. A dozen teams of riflemen could put our grid at danger with a coordinated attack."

From https://blog.knowbe4.com/bid/378617/U-S-Risks-National-Blackout-From-Small-Scale-Attack:
"...quoting the WSJ: "The U.S. could suffer a coast-to-coast blackout if saboteurs knocked out just nine (!) of the country's 55,000 electric-transmission substations on a scorching summer day, according to a previously unreported federal analysis.

"The study by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission concluded that coordinated attacks in each of the nation's three separate electric systems could cause the entire power network to collapse, people familiar with the research said."

Anonymous Avalanche August 15, 2017 6:52 PM  

@123 "for not torching abortion clinics."

Abortion clinics are MOSTLY killing off the larval stage of our ENEMIES! Think of it as a necessary public service to help return the White civilization to one where there is little NEED for abortion!

You're willing to kill our enemies when they're adults -- WHY are you letting them even GET there! Do you only kill adults rats invading your house and leave the babies to grow up?

Don't interfere when your enemy is making a mistake!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 15, 2017 7:02 PM  

@170
The notorious Magnus Hirschfeld, of "Institute of Sexual Science" fame, an early "sexologist" and promoter of homosexuality, transexualism, etc., wrote a book in 1934, which was published in English in 1938. That book was entitled "Racism."

That's (((Magnus Hirschfeld))), by the way. Every time?

https://infogalactic.com/info/Magnus_Hirschfeld

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2017 7:44 PM  

Abortion clinics are MOSTLY killing off the larval stage of our ENEMIES! Think of it as a necessary public service to help return the White civilization to one where there is little NEED for abortion!

You are a disgusting satanic whore

Blogger VD August 15, 2017 8:41 PM  

You aren't a leader or commander of anything. The only reason most people know of you is because you're sometimes a guest on Stefan Molyneux's show.

I am, without question, the leader of the Evil Legion of Evil.

Anonymous Walter Oleg August 15, 2017 8:52 PM  

The Pope of the Alt-Right is Jordan Peterson. The Keys were given to Peter and now have been passed to "Peter's Son."

Blogger Cail Corishev August 15, 2017 8:59 PM  

Unlike the Left, the Right knows how to stop.

It's also that we don't have institutions to back us up as the left does. If a leftist bombs a courthouse to protest police brutality, high-powered attorneys will beat a path to his door to represent him. Money will flow in from all over to make him comfortable for the rest of his life. If he's at least literate, he may get a nice sinecure as a professor or a judge. There's not a lot of downside as long as he doesn't get shot in the process.

On the right, we have friends and other individuals who will stand by us, but we don't have that kind of massive institutional backing that we can count on. If we bomb an abortion clinic, we're just going to rot in prison. That makes it a very different calculation.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2017 9:09 PM  

@Thuclyides -

Yeah, I noticed the same thing when I was looking at voting trends. It is increasingly becoming a pattern of the self-reliant middle against the feudal rich/poor. This is why I'm willing to bet that Trump pull huge gains with Asians (well, male Asians, at least) in the next election. Some polls are indicating that shift has already started.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 15, 2017 9:45 PM  

rondolf wrote:It is interesting to me how Aoeli Pera continues to assume Vox is on the side of white people in the US, when it is manifestly obvious by these and other statements that he is not.

That's because I'm a genius, and you aren't. If you can handle that MIND-BLOWING idea, you may ask a question or two to clarify things.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 15, 2017 9:47 PM  

Walter Oleg wrote:The Pope of the Alt-Right is Jordan Peterson. The Keys were given to Peter and now have been passed to "Peter's Son."

It's unfortunate that this may be true.

Blogger DonReynolds August 15, 2017 10:03 PM  

@175 NeoNietzsche
"From https://blog.knowbe4.com/bid/378617/U-S-Risks-National-Blackout-From-Small-Scale-Attack:
"...quoting the WSJ: "The U.S. could suffer a coast-to-coast blackout if saboteurs knocked out just nine (!) of the country's 55,000 electric-transmission substations on a scorching summer day, according to a previously unreported federal analysis."

I worked for a few years for Memphis Light, Gas and Water, the largest three-service municipal utility in the country. The utility was unionized and they had labor strikes in the past. The electrical workers knew that a length of log chain, tossed over the fence at an electrical substation can create an awful lot of damage. Log chain is actually pretty cheap (and legal), and much better than guns or explosives for blowing an electrical system.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2017 11:15 PM  

> There's a difference between "getting them closed down" or "not allowing them" and "burning them down". The problem is that the people who want to burn things/kill people for violating moral law never take things to their logical conclusion. Or they're just interested in mass bloodshed. And they incessantly twist Scripture until they get the result they want, usually at the point where they're violating a whole bunch of other Scripture.

Oh shut up, Captain Cuck. Europe will stay European while America will not precisely because Europeans have the balls to burn down their refugee centers. Your vapors about property damage make you literally more cowardly than Gideon.

Why would God ever bother telling you to do anything when he has so many real men ready to act on initiative without waiting to have their hands held?

> Abortion clinics are MOSTLY killing off the larval stage of our ENEMIES!

Oh please. Welfare guarantees a healthy birthrate. Abortion is just gratuitous loosh for America's ruling principality. And you wonder why God doesn't speak to us? How is an angel supposed to get through a demonic guard roided out on baby juice?

Blogger Warty August 15, 2017 11:36 PM  

When the time is right a suitable leader will arise, but what is more important is the development of an effective conservative narrative able to counter the apparent appeal of the identity stuff that drives AnitFa and BLM and their shoe licking sycophants. I prefer to read my stuff, but there is plenty on Roger Scruton, Mark Steyn, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson (to list a few) on Youtube. These guys are inspirational. And get your own ideas out there. Your own writing is important and it helps consolidate and refine your ideas by testing them in a wider forum. The flak doesn't matter.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 16, 2017 12:16 AM  

Warty wrote:When the time is right a suitable leader will arise, but what is more important is the development of an effective conservative narrative able to counter the apparent appeal of the identity stuff that drives AnitFa and BLM and their shoe licking sycophants.
You poor, naive fool.
When the time comes, you'll be screaming "Gas the Kikes!"

Blogger S1AL August 16, 2017 12:27 AM  

"Why would God ever bother telling you to do anything when he has so many real men ready to act on initiative without waiting to have their hands held?"

Secret Hand of God may actually be worse than Secret King. Nice.

Anonymous Koanic August 16, 2017 12:28 AM  

> When the time comes, you'll be screaming "Gas the Kikes!"

It's not quite as catchy as "Crucify him!"

I don't see why they're complaining. The Book of Esther establishes that turnabout is fair play. Let Christians prove they are Abraham's true heirs, by taking the moral high ground, and not laying their hands on the spoils of righteous genocide, against the wicked Semitic heirs of Haman.

Anonymous Koanic August 16, 2017 12:41 AM  

> Secret Hand of God may actually be worse than Secret King. Nice.

You are my favorite training bag!

God did not tell Abraham to rescue Lot, nor Moses to kill the Egyptian, nor Phineas to skewer the miscegenators, nor David to challenge Goliath. He just made eternal covenants with them afterwards.

Blogger Vikki Wilson August 16, 2017 4:38 AM  

RE Spencer's endorsement of a form of EU -

Oswald Mosley wrote favourably about an EU-style entity. Which is amusing as Spencer's "optics" increasingly remind me of him.

Blogger Kek's SS Guard August 16, 2017 8:25 AM  

Vox, I do not believe you are an equal to Aristotle or Alexander. You are intelligent, but not enlightening

Blogger S1AL August 16, 2017 9:29 AM  

"God did not tell Abraham to rescue Lot, nor Moses to kill the Egyptian, nor Phineas to skewer the miscegenators, nor David to challenge Goliath. He just made eternal covenants with them afterwards."

Before, long after, didn't happen, before. You can't even get basic biblical knowledge correct, which is typical of delusional zealot-wannabes. The predictability is tiresome.

Anonymous Koanic August 17, 2017 1:18 AM  

What was the last rebuke Vox gave you, S1AL? Dishonest non-thinker?

The Abrahamic covenant of Genesis 15 was not identical to the one of Genesis 12. Therefore both count as "making an eternal covenant". And since Genesis 15 is after Genesis 14, as you can tell by its opening words "After these things", "afterwards" is an accurate description.

Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Neither can you cease being a dishonest non-thinker.

Anonymous Koanic August 17, 2017 1:37 AM  

Also, it's ridiculous to quibble about whether the covenant was new or merely reaffirmed. Earning an audience with God is a Big Deal regardless. When Balaam sacrificed, God answered. When Solomon sacrificed, God answered. When Abraham sacriced to God after his victory, God answered. You're just resisting pattern recognition out of dogmatic density. Like a Leftist determinedly mystified as to the race-crime connection. God obviously prizes humble military initiative. The centurion was his favorite guy! And Peter the ear-chopper was his first pope!

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