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Monday, August 14, 2017

Neocons 2.0

When I said it's not punching right to criticize the Alt-Reichtards, I had no idea how correct I was to use the term Fake Right.
Only a year ago, white supremacist and ‘Unite the Right’ leader, Jason Kessler, was said to be a supporter of former President Obama and the Occupy movement. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Kessler revealed his political transformation around November 2016, the same month then-candidate Donald Trump won the presidential election. In November, 2016, Kessler displayed a rightward shift according to SPLC during an attack on Charlottesville vice mayor Wes Bellamy who posted racist and vulgar tweets in 2011 and 2012.
Didn't we already go through this once before? How did that turn out for the Right?

Now, I'm all in favor of people seeing the light and all, but I suggest that accepting these enthusiastic newcomers in positions of leadership is far from the wisest course of action. Especially when they have demonstrated that they are manifestly unprepared for it. I'm not saying there is no place for them on the Right, merely that one should think twice, or perhaps three times, before placing any confidence in them.

Criticizing these guys isn't punching right. There are birds in my yard that have been right-wing longer than them. They are not even to the right of the average cuckservative. This may explain why, when I had Richard Spencer on Brainstorm, we were all surprised to discover that he was to nearly everyone's left.

Identity politics are in the process of replacing ideology politics, but that means that ideology is no longer the sole metric, not that it is entirely irrelevant.

More detail in tonight's Darkstream.

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Blogger Guitar Man August 14, 2017 3:10 PM  

Vox, do you have a link to this?

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 3:13 PM  

I pretty much only know of the various ecelebs via /pol/, so I had never heard of this dude, but holy shit.

Anonymous S. Misanthrope August 14, 2017 3:13 PM  

Spencer's positions seem to shift every time he speaks to a new audience. I'm not sure he has serious beliefs outside of a limited area.

Blogger SomeAsshole August 14, 2017 3:14 PM  

Woah woah woah, Kessler is certainly not Alt-Reich.

This guy is very soft on certain topics that others are not.

Listen to some of his interviews.

I dont understand why this is the story youre going with... The media narrative is falling apart apart with Cville. The demonstrators are being vindicated.

Anonymous DenEkteNorsk August 14, 2017 3:14 PM  

Is it all that surprising that National *Socialists* are left leaning? They give it away in the party name. Hitler was a full regard to open the Eastern Front when he did... So it's not surprising to realise that his modern day disciples haven't fallen too far from the tree.

Blogger SouthRon August 14, 2017 3:15 PM  

From Vox's Twitter and linking on my phone sucks.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/last-year-when-a-unite-the-right-leader-was-an-occupier-who-voted-for-obama/

Blogger SomeAsshole August 14, 2017 3:15 PM  

@5 basic talking point tbh

Anonymous DenEkteNorsk August 14, 2017 3:15 PM  

*retard not regard. Stupid autocorrect...

Anonymous Ck August 14, 2017 3:17 PM  

More wolves in sheep's clothing than prodigal son.

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 14, 2017 3:19 PM  

Gen. Kong's post two threads back, #347 or so.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:22 PM  

I dont understand why this is the story youre going with.

Because it is true. Is that really beyond you? Do you really know so little about the history of the neocons?

Anonymous Alice De Goon August 14, 2017 3:23 PM  

Spencer's positions seem to shift every time he speaks to a new audience. I'm not sure he has serious beliefs outside of a limited area.

Richard Spencer is an attention whore who will do or say anything to get attention. He's a snake oil salesman trying to co-opt the hypermasculine attitudes and iconography of the Hitlerites to sell his brand to a bunch of gormless, edgy chads.

I respect Cuckservatives more than I respect him. At least Cuckservatives are acting out of a misguided sense of propriety. Spencer is an active threat to the reputation of the alt-right and of Donald Trump. I'm not advocating assault or murder, but if an errant, Antifa-chucked bikelock were to impact his empty skull one of these days during a rally, I wouldn't be first in line to grieve.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 3:26 PM  

Snitches get ditches.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 3:26 PM  

The_Donald thread this was sourced from:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6tme1k/jason_kessler_organizer_of_unite_the_right/

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 3:28 PM  

VD wrote:I dont understand why this is the story youre going with.

Because it is true. Is that really beyond you?


He meant "narrative", not story.

Blogger Matthew August 14, 2017 3:28 PM  

SomeAsshole wrote:Woah woah woah, Kessler is certainly not Alt-Reich.

This guy is very soft on certain topics that others are not.

Listen to some of his interviews.


You seem to think ideas matter more than associations. This is foolish.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2017 3:28 PM  

Well, that's interesting. There were some on /pol/ who were saying the whole thing was a honeypot. Unfortunately, they're always saying that because they see setups everywhere, so if you went by that you'd never do anything. But they might have had a point this time.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 3:29 PM  

But hey, I'm just this weirdo who says he reads minds.

Anonymous Wendy Weinbaum August 14, 2017 3:30 PM  

Heard on the Street: AntiFA = Anti-First Amendment

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 3:31 PM  

Also with some images on Zerohedge

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m

Anonymous User August 14, 2017 3:32 PM  

Given that the media will always predictably lie about us, any strategy that rests on changing how we present ourselves to gain their favor is stupid.

The winning strategy is to attack the media, discredit, disqualify, and if course above all make it personal. Reporters should not be permitted at these events.

Anonymous Wendy Weinbaum August 14, 2017 3:35 PM  


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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 14, 2017 3:37 PM  

what i am wondering is that you are choosing to misrepresent this guy in an attempt to smear the entire Cville rally.
It is not misrepresentation.
Full stop.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:37 PM  

Your comment was deleted for lying. I did not misrepresent Jason Kessler.

Lie about me one more time and you'll be banned and spammed.

Anonymous Wendy Weinbaum August 14, 2017 3:37 PM  

And NOW, Hussein Obama's Foreign Service officer for Africa, Brennan Gilmore, is linked to Charlottesville violence: https://imgur.com/a/d3sFx#734YblC

Blogger Ransom Smith August 14, 2017 3:38 PM  

There's a lot of that going around. How many members of the Alt Right or at least supposed members, are basically just leftists larping as right wing?

I can think of several major Twitter trolls who unironically support Stalin because he was pro Russian and and ruthless.

Blogger Phat Repat August 14, 2017 3:38 PM  

I wonder when/if Trump will stop trying to be the Populist President (After the Dats Rayciss proclamation)? So here's how we go from Trump to Bannon perhaps, if all stories are to be believed.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:39 PM  

Given that the media will always predictably lie about us, any strategy that rests on changing how we present ourselves to gain their favor is stupid.

It's not about gaining the media's favor, for the Nth time. What is stupid is your inability to understand that it is about how we present ourselves to the general public.

We cannot control what the media says. But we can control what we say and what we do.

Blogger Quilp August 14, 2017 3:39 PM  

"about the obvious trap" I don't speak for Vox, in fact I'm a newcomer here, but the obvious nature of the trap was apparent to everyone not busy ironing his brown shirt for the Weekend larping fest before the event even took place. Thinking A nazi and Klan rally in Terry McAuliffe's State is going to go off without the Governor trying to increase (by any means necessary) his progressive juice for 2020 is just blatantly ignorant.

The way I see it when Vox criticizes the reichtards its someone who cares about, and polices his own movement with the hope of future success. When it's the likes of Ben Shapiro, Bill Kristol etc. doing the criticizing, it's just outsiders attempting to take back what they think was stolen from them - relevance.

Blogger peppermint88 August 14, 2017 3:39 PM  

The biggest problem the alt-right has is leadership that takes UBI and socialized medicine seriously, as if unearned resources aren't vastly more morally degenerative towards young men than weed, porn, or today's music. How did the young Antifa men end up there? Because they had unearned resources.

Fat people in camo shorts with nazi flags are also a problem, but ultimately, they can clearly be said not to represent the alt-right because the alt-right rejects fatties.

Lots of former occutards need to join the alt-right, and they need to get jobs and earn their keep and the fat ones need to improve their diet and excercise. Fortunately, the Trump administration has already caused wages in the construction sector to rise in addition to the millions of new jobs especially in manufacturing.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 3:40 PM  

Semi-off-topic, but Discord is shutting down servers associated with the alt-right and Charlottesville.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/137443204


Blogger August August 14, 2017 3:40 PM  

A lot of people were hoping Trump was some 4D chess master during the elections, but the Syria bombings kind of put that to bed.
These guys didn't have to be very smart either. Trusting the government too much seem to be their main problem. So they paid a higher price.
But I do think it was a net win. This is happening on the right and white politicians are being shouted down on the left.
It is pushing everyone towards us.
They should be able to sue the crap out of the city and the state.

But I'll remember not to vote for this guy.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 14, 2017 3:40 PM  

@24  It would be nice if staff would spend a little more time spamming the actual spam.  There's been a fair number of spam postings on various threads lately.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 14, 2017 3:41 PM  

Terry McAuliffe's State

We get to dump him in November. The Virginia Constitution prohibits two terms. That's why he's making a fuss. He needs the name recognition.

Anonymous garrulus August 14, 2017 3:43 PM  

Trump cucked (allthough he can still talk himself out this one) after the alt right and alt reich will be vindicated over charlottesville. Cernovich betrayed us on twitter.

Anonymous Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 3:43 PM  

You dress for the job you want.

Want to be perceived as a reasonable right winger, wear jean, a MAGA cap and carry an American flag.

Want to be perceived as a right wing nut, dress like a skinhead and wave a Nazi flag.

This ain't brain surgery complicated.

Blogger SomeAsshole August 14, 2017 3:44 PM  

" Thinking A nazi and Klan rally in Terry McAuliffe's State is going to go off without the Governor trying to increase (by any means necessary) his progressive juice for 2020 is just blatantly ignorant. "

A nazi and klan rally?

Wow. Just Wow.

Blogger SomeAsshole August 14, 2017 3:45 PM  

Can someone provide me a link showing the nazi flags that were being flown at Cville?

Anonymous garrulus August 14, 2017 3:45 PM  

@31 sjws always lie https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/897170310348263426

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 14, 2017 3:45 PM  

how many times are you going to watch hardcore Leftists PRETEND to convert to the Right ... and then either instigate something ( painting swastikas or throwing the Seig Heil ) or demand leadership positions?

haven't we watched this game often enough?

Blogger Nate73 August 14, 2017 3:46 PM  

I don't understand the idea of a Civil War in america along racial lines. Is it whites vs whites? Whites vs hispanics? Both vs both? What's going to happen?

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:46 PM  

Cernovich betrayed us on twitter.

He can't betray a group of which he is not a part. Unbunch your panties.

Anonymous garrulus August 14, 2017 3:47 PM  

@SomeAsshole I only saw one nazi flag after the aborted event was over, in the second park, no biggy nazi stuff isnt that harmfull, and its very good brand recognition, they will call us nazis anyway

Blogger SomeAsshole August 14, 2017 3:47 PM  

@24

My apologies.

But still, you have nothing to say about the trap set for legally and peacefully assembled citizens?

Regardless of their political affiliations or choice of symbols?

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 14, 2017 3:48 PM  

Hmmm... a "best of all timelines" hypothetical.

1.  Civil-rights suit is won against Charlottesville.  City is bankrupted.
2.  Plaintiffs take CVs public parks as an in-kind part of the damage award.
3.  The park is deeded to a historical conservancy with the proviso that all historic statues must be retained and restored and none may be added, altered or re-labelled without the consent of the plaintiffs or their estates, and C'ville would be allowed to use them as public spaces on the proviso that it accepts all costs of maintenance.

Charlottesville would be stuck and McAuliffe would have a huge black eye.

Anonymous MPC August 14, 2017 3:48 PM  

Trump just gave a presser in response to the charlottesville rally naming neo naxis, kkk and white supremacists as the ultimate evil and the dead s**tlib as everything good in America. Top job lads. Great work with this rally, really made a positive difference.

I am going to go waaaaay out on a limb here and guess the useful idiot wn right and other 88ers are going to blame trumpbfor cucking instead of learning that maybe this isn't the right way to get their message out

Rn the easiest way to stop this seems to be to discover Spencer is a jew

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:49 PM  

Can someone provide me a link showing the nazi flags that were being flown at Cville?

Right here. Couldn't figure out how to search "nazi flag Charlottesville"?

Blogger ThirdMonkey August 14, 2017 3:50 PM  

He has to go back. The risk of taking in the "converted" this early in the game at the risk of them taking a leadership role and co-opting the movement is too high.

Anonymous Corrox August 14, 2017 3:51 PM  

At first I thought the talk of Bernie Bros converted to the alt-right were ham-fisted propaganda intended to convert or demoralize leftists. Pretty sure a lot of it was, but now I see a lot of posts by guys writing about being lefties just a year or two ago. Sometimes even less, so apparently there are a significant number of converts.

Often they act like they've now rock solid in their convictions, but I can't help but wonder how sure you really can be that you've found your final position when you've made such a huge change in such a short time.

The part about not making those guys leaders is spot on. I think actual infiltrators are quite rare, but they're neither ideologically or intellectually mature and stable. So even assuming that they are good leaders how can you be sure of their position from one day to the next?

That's probably part of why the TRS guys, and specifically Enoch, occasionally goes retarded. They aren't stable and are continously changing. So they constantly get over enthusiastic from the initial feeling of revelation. But instead of having that feeling of understanding the world in private and then getting over it they blurt it out on the air and then are trapped in that position of over certainty. It's sort of an intellectual ratchet where pride keeps you chained to positions that's actually just unconsidered bluster.

To borrow a term from SMBC, they spend quite a lot of time on Mount Stupid and almost all of it is public. That's a really bad combination with a personality where you're unable to back down from public positions that are wrong.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:52 PM  

But still, you have nothing to say about the trap set for legally and peacefully assembled citizens?

I already said my piece about that: post-Berkeley, it is utterly stupid to hold any event in a town with a Democratic mayor.

You were surprised a trap was set? I wasn't.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:53 PM  

Enough, SomeAsshole. You are not tall enough for the ride. Take your moving goalposts elsewhere.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 3:55 PM  

At first I thought the talk of Bernie Bros converted to the alt-right were ham-fisted propaganda intended to convert or demoralize leftists. Pretty sure a lot of it was, but now I see a lot of posts by guys writing about being lefties just a year or two ago. Sometimes even less, so apparently there are a significant number of converts.

Identity politics will cause more and more whites to move rightward, as I've long predicted. This doesn't mean they're going to be any smarter than they were when they were falling for the Left's lies. They're just scared and running for protection.

They cannot be permitted to lead. They are not suitable.

Blogger SomeAsshole August 14, 2017 3:55 PM  

ok, vox, have a good one

Blogger August August 14, 2017 3:57 PM  

If Sessions is going to do an honest investigation, I don't see how they aren't going to see the state's fingerprints all over this debacle. They had a permit. They were cooperating with authorities in all sorts of ways. The authorities set them up and pushed them directly into antifa.

Most of them wore white polos. That was their 'uniform.'

Blogger Out of Nod August 14, 2017 4:00 PM  

I might be with /pol on this one as well. Seems rather convenient...

Anonymous Cranston August 14, 2017 4:00 PM  

Watching the Alt Right eat its own isn't so surprising as it is hilarious.

Who is going to step up and lead this bunch of political autistics is anyone's guess. But rest assured, the amount of popcorn necessary for this show is massive.

Anonymous garrulus August 14, 2017 4:03 PM  

https://www.pscp.tv/RichardBSpencer/1eaKbmLOWdqxX Spencer live now!

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 4:04 PM  

Speaking of new converts, Laura Loomer was the one who got the alt-right discords shut down. Though, it was was maybe partially weev's fault because he was talking about trolling the funeral of the mudwhale that got smushed by the Dodge of Peace.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 14, 2017 4:06 PM  

Now, I'm all in favor of people seeing the light and all, but I suggest that accepting these enthusiastic newcomers in positions of leadership is far from the wisest course of action.

Some people just want to be where the action is, and the political philosophy is completely secondary. This guy will be alt-right until something new comes along, then he'll jump ship and explain what terrible people we are and how he felt compelled to join the CPUSA, or the DNC, or BLM or whatever.

Blogger Rabbi B August 14, 2017 4:06 PM  

@55 Cranston

Watching the Alt Right eat its own isn't so surprising as it is hilarious.

What's even more hilarious is that you don't understand what you're watching.

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 4:11 PM  

Is this guy a convert or a Deep State operative?

I'm not one to go right into Alex Jones paranoia but something is seriously off here.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 14, 2017 4:12 PM  

Identity politics will cause more and more whites to move rightward, as I've long predicted. This doesn't mean they're going to be any smarter than they were when they were falling for the Left's lies. They're just scared and running for protection.

This is true. We're in the "where is my team?" phase of identity politics. Even people who are good policy fits for the left will be going right because they're tired of being told to check their privilege and shut up.

I can't decide if Charlottesville moved the overton window rightward or gave the media a lot of footage they can use for attacks. The coming decade will be interesting, though I don't think things will really boil over until the 2030s.

Anonymous Cranston August 14, 2017 4:20 PM  

"What's even more hilarious is that you don't understand what you're watching."

Is it really funnier than Alt Righters throwing so many of their own under the bus that flat tires are the only inevitable thing?

I know what I'm seeing. I'm seeing the Alt Right discover what happens when they go beyond bubbles like this place. It's straight up hilarious.

Anonymous Wendy Weinbaum August 14, 2017 4:21 PM  

And now this summary: Brennan Gilmore was the videographer of the primary footage shown of the Charlottesville car attack.
He's also ex-State Department / CIA KONY Psy Op currently employed by a Soros-funded politician.

Coincidence?

Blogger VFM #7634 August 14, 2017 4:21 PM  

"Identity politics will cause more and more whites to move rightward, as I've long predicted. This doesn't mean they're going to be any smarter than they were when they were falling for the Left's lies. They're just scared and running for protection."

The Gammas should stay home along with their alt-Retard paraphernalia and stick to trolling progs on the Internet. The Omegas should stick to their weaponized autism. Having either of those groups out in public is counterproductive. Leave public marches to the Alpha-Beta-Delta set.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 14, 2017 4:23 PM  

"I know what I'm seeing. I'm seeing the Alt Right discover what happens when they go beyond bubbles like this place. It's straight up hilarious."

@62 Cranston
Be that as it may, and despite the Democrat setup and alt-retardery, there were still thousands of alt-righters in Charlottesville. This would not have happened even last year.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 14, 2017 4:25 PM  

To destroy an organization, they first join it.

ITs a basic SJW motto

An alt-right group must be on guard for this all the time. There are lots of questionable figures.

Anyone waving KKK and swastikas are definite suspects-- or morons.

Deliver the goods, and walk the walk, or don't give them a plank.

Blogger Cloom Glue August 14, 2017 4:27 PM  

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Blogger Cloom Glue August 14, 2017 4:28 PM  

@22 : Your video is rear view.

Perpendicular video is easier to assess speed and distance.

I am not sure if this video begins soon enough, but much of this video is perpendicular to the direction of travel, and a measurement from this camera position along the direction of travel, up to the white building across the road, would be interesting data.
Play at 1/4 speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mnywjPPDtU

Someone at the scene, measuring the length of white building, on the left, would have some interesting data to compare timing with the full rear video, too:

https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737

The few feet at the start of that video are perfectly perpendicular for gauging rate of initial speed.

Maybe three videos could be synchronized.

There is a third video here from the opposite side, RebelMedia, Faith Goldy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U8ZRUFx33k

Blogger red clock August 14, 2017 4:29 PM  

"Reporters shouldn't be permitted at these events."

You can't control that. THERE SHOULDN'T BE SUCH EVENTS.

Repeat after me - street rallies and activism are not required in the age of the internet.

Use the internet to spread the message, work for a GOP campaign (there are some good candidates now and then, at local and national levels, replace the neocons in Senate/Congress), have children, write a book, earn money to donate to the right people. Be patient.

All of that achieves more than mobs chanting rubbish on the street and fighting antifa on national TV.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2017 4:30 PM  

Trump another establishment pooosy, ban any white identity politics instead of virtue signaling that "I'm against racism, blah, blah, blah." then call me.

Racism is has one meaning and one meaning only, white identity politics.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 4:39 PM  

@69

You mentioned the most important part, too. White is about long time preferences and planning for the future.

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 4:40 PM  

Trump had little choice but to come out and make his statement.

I really don't care about it. Actions are more important than words. Especially forced words.

In other news... my read elsewhere of how the Alt-Reich is taking the results of this rally could be summed up as "short-term loss with a long-term gain". So that's the mentality I guess.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2017 4:40 PM  

Zman has written what probably should be the final words on the Cville subject.

Anonymous Koanic August 14, 2017 4:42 PM  

Let's not be insensitive to diversity of learning styles. Some are visual, others auditory, and still others kinaesthetic. Those who will not learn by dialectic or rhetoric that pigs are vicious animals must learn by tusk or truncheon instead. With all the tax dollars we spend on education, it's nice to see some actually occurring.

Anonymous Cranston August 14, 2017 4:45 PM  

"Use the internet to spread the message, work for a GOP campaign (there are some good candidates now and then, at local and national levels, replace the neocons in Senate/Congress), have children, write a book, earn money to donate to the right people. Be patient. "

But wait...that would require real work. That's not what the AR is about.

Consider, the head of this AR blog is so committed to the future of America he left the country. Meanwhile, the activists of the AR dress up in helmets, black, and carry Nazi flags in order to come to the defense of a statue of Lee, perhaps the most important defender of slavery in US history.


This is followed by the AR murdering someone. This is followed by the AR calling the media unfair.

You don't need commitment. I was wrong. You need a brain cell.

Anonymous User August 14, 2017 4:46 PM  

"It's not about gaining the media's favor, for the Nth time. What is stupid is your inability to understand that it is about how we present ourselves to the general public."

You have me mistaken. My point is the media narrative is how the general public sees us, and we could present as boyscouts and they'd still call us nazis—like they essentially did with the actual boy-scouts.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 14, 2017 4:47 PM  

63. Wendy Weinbaum August 14, 2017 4:21 PM
Coincidence?



Faith Goldy was also standing right next too where everybody got smooshed and has video of it.

i find it interesting that Fields ( and several cars in front of him ) were on a single lane alley, boxed in on all sides by Antifa and being funneled into the heart of the mob.

was he directed out that way? who was in the rest of the cars? were those other Alt-Right people also trying to leave?

remember, this is after the Right rally had broken up and would can expect most of them to be trying to leave together or at least at the same time.

IF cops were directing exiting cars into the heart of the mob ( whom they would have known full well were driven by Alt-Right )
THEN this entire thing is a setup.


of course, Fields could have just blundered into this all by himself.

one thing i will say is that a Charger is an extremely poor choice as an assault weapon, they have no ground clearance.

if this was premeditated on Fields part, he's dumber than a camel jockey.

good chance his car was being attacked though.

Anonymous roo_ster August 14, 2017 4:50 PM  

"Spencer's positions seem to shift every time he speaks to a new audience. I'm not sure he has serious beliefs outside of a limited area.

Richard Spencer is an attention whore who will do or say anything to get attention. He's a snake oil salesman trying to co-opt the hypermasculine attitudes..."

Could have written the same about Mike Cernovich.

Political/cultural movements need to be careful not to be co-opted by opportunists.

================

Regarding Jason Kessler...

"Lee Kwan Yu to the courtesy phone. Lee Kwan Yu to the white courtesy phone..."

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 4:53 PM  

>who was in the rest of the cars?

One was a black lady and her kid. I never saw who got out of the other one.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2017 4:53 PM  

@76 Your point is incorrect. Almost everyone on the right distrusts the fake news. Otherwise they wouldn't be on the right in the first place.

Anonymous Grayman August 14, 2017 4:55 PM  

@61 Bob

I can't decide if Charlottesville moved the overton window rightward or gave the media a lot of footage they can use for attacks

Watching the twitter streams the last week or so what seems to be clear is that the middle ground has been largely obliterated. This event appears to have accelerated polarization (not surprising really) such that those who try and stand in the middle face heat from both sides.
Whether it ultimately helps or hurts the alt-right i think is yet to be seen. If the nazi larpers get pushed out and the torch march energizes more young men then its a success, even if the media gets more propaganda fodder.

All in all, there are a lot of constructive lessons the alt-right can take from this event and use constructively. Time will tell if that is done.

Anonymous Talk Is Cheap August 14, 2017 4:56 PM  

Vox "as I've long predicted" Day. When a little pressure is applied, the Vox reaction is to panic and attack allies. It's a shame you chose to be a bitchy critic instead of a strong leader.

Blogger Sevron August 14, 2017 4:57 PM  

Care to link to it?

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 14, 2017 5:02 PM  

Trolls today so ... low-energy and boring. Getting sleepy.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2017 5:10 PM  

I can't decide if Charlottesville moved the overton window rightward or gave the media a lot of footage they can use for attacks

Both, though the former will take some time to become apparent. Also, the media overreach on the latter will help to drive the former.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2017 5:14 PM  

The big mistake that the GOPe made with the neoconservatives was allowing them any authority at all. Just because a person is very skilled verbally doesn't mean that they are good at anything other than talking. Letting the Kristol boys write position papers was a big mistake, they should have been sweeping the floors for a few months first, just to test out their intentions.

There's plenty of basic work to be done, and no need to let some BernieBro take on the task of organizing an event. BernieBro should be given a stack of leaflets to hand out, should have some decent memes, stuff like that.

Blogger Flair1239 August 14, 2017 5:14 PM  

I know Spencer has advocated for single payer healthcare. At the time I took that to be in the context of an Ethnostate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2017 5:14 PM  

Free speech for whites, if the nazi larpers are not going to put that front and center then they are useless.

Blogger SteelPalm August 14, 2017 5:16 PM  

There are a lot like him. Baked Alaska was a SJW journalist working for one of the main Fake News sites, Buzzfeed. He did so all the way until 2016.

He is a regular OG compared to Kessler, though; while Kessler came out as "right-wing" in November 2016, after Trump had won, Baked Alaska did so all the way back in May 2016.

Oh, and then he betrayed Milo and Cernovich in rapid succession.

But hey, he is totally legit, and definitely NOT a fifth column SJW cancer, since he posted a few gas chamber memes on Twitter! That proves him completely to the Alt-Retards!

As for Richard Spencer, I kind of feel sorry for him. He seems like a nice, well-meaning guy, and he was lucky enough to have two fantastic mentors. (first Paul Gottfried and then Jared Taylor) He is also genuinely brave.

Unfortunately, he is also a fool and a media whore, whose own ideas are either a shallower, regurgitated version of what Gottfried and Taylor wrote/said, or else abject idiocy of his own. (Being in support of the European Union, for instance)

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 5:17 PM  

The dindu who got smashed up for nuffin in that parking garage, and has over $100K in Patreon donations already, not suprisingly was part of a group of them who initiated the violence.

https://vid.me/VVIH7

Anonymous Gurpgork August 14, 2017 5:20 PM  

User wrote:"It's not about gaining the media's favor, for the Nth time. What is stupid is your inability to understand that it is about how we present ourselves to the general public."

You have me mistaken. My point is the media narrative is how the general public sees us, and we could present as boyscouts and they'd still call us nazis—like they essentially did with the actual boy-scouts.


Media calls alt right nazi's when they act like boyscouts: Media loses credibility and alt right gains it.
Media calls alt right nazi's when they act like actual nazi's: Media gains credibility and alt right loses it.

This is not a difficult concept nor choice...

Blogger Rabbi B August 14, 2017 5:20 PM  

@82 Talk is Cheap

It's a shame you chose to be a bitchy critic instead of a strong leader.


Pot, kettle. Man, the short-bus crowd is out in force today.

Anonymous Panzer Man August 14, 2017 5:21 PM  

Otto Lamp wrote:You dress for the job you want.

Want to be perceived as a reasonable right winger, wear jean, a MAGA cap and carry an American flag.

Want to be perceived as a right wing nut, dress like a skinhead and wave a Nazi flag.

This ain't brain surgery complicated.


You DO realize that the enormous majority of the thousands of people at that rally were NOT dressed as Nazis or waving swastika flags, right?

I've heard from a participant that he saw ONE guy with a swastika flag. One. There could have been others out of sight, but he didn't see them; a large amount of the participation was non-Nazi-themed. Like 99.9+% non-Nazi-themed.

You're buying the MSM narrative hook, line, and sinker. I doubt the majority of people at that rally identified as Nazis. Almost none of them were dressed as Nazis -- most were wearing everyday clothes. Even the actual Nazis on the Stormer -- not just the ironic ones -- were wearing ordinary clothes.

You've made up a fantasy here and you're parroting MSM talking points. This was NOT a uniformed Nazi rally.

So a regular blue or white or black shirt, jeans, and a baseball cap is now "dressing like a skinhead?"

Listen to yourselves, guys. Listen to yourselves. Come on.

Anonymous FP August 14, 2017 5:23 PM  

From the Gen Kong link on the Donald subreddit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppBXqO6ObQ8&feature=youtu.be

This guy claims there are links to the Ukrainian color revolution and Egghead McMullin in CVille.

Anonymous User August 14, 2017 5:25 PM  

The problem is they didn't act like nazis at all. Nazis would have been fit, clean cut, and run effective security for their group.

No need to rehash the failings of national socialism—it's an historical fact that they knew how to put on a rally.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2017 5:31 PM  

User wrote:The problem is they didn't act like nazis at all. Nazis would have been fit, clean cut

Most of the people I saw in the video coverage fit this description (at least by the standards of 2017 America).

Blogger Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 5:34 PM  

"Can someone provide me a link showing the nazi flags that were being flown at Cville?"

http://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/blogs-photo/rendered/2017/08/nazirally081217_8col.jpg

As far as I can tell, it is the same guy in every picture. In other words, one guy showed up with a Nazi flag...but that's all it takes.

In 2008 I attended a rally for the GOP candidate in the senate runoff. One guy (and only one guy) showed up with a confederate flag. What was the headline in the paper? "Confederate Battle Flag Flown at Rally". What was the picture? This one guy waving his flag. What was the TV coverage? Film of the one guy waving his confederate battle flag.

It only takes one guy doing something stupid to taint the entire group. Here he is, walking around in the middle of everyone carrying a Nazi flag, and nobody doing anything; nobody's telling him he isn't wanted here. People just ignoring him.

He could have been a plant for all I know, but if you're not going to shut him down, people are going to assume you approve of what he's doing (or are at least tolerant of it).

Blogger Elder Son August 14, 2017 5:37 PM  

It's not about gaining the media's favor, for the Nth time. What is stupid is your inability to understand that it is about how we present ourselves to the general public.

We cannot control what the media says. But we can control what we say and what we do.


Once again, what some of you thought America witnessed.

What Americans actually witnessed.

This guy claims there are links to the Ukrainian color revolution and Egghead McMullin in CVille.

Type in your search-bar: Charlottesville Witness Brennan Gilmore.

Brennan Gilmore on Twitter.

Blogger Achilles August 14, 2017 5:38 PM  

Nazi LARPers? I saw Chads in polos carrying tiki torches. South Shall Rise again types. Some militia types. And few people with Nazi flags fresh out of the package... You will get that at any public rally held by the Right.

There's blood in the streets. People are being pushed further to the Right. We are being silenced online and off. Sperging about Nazis at this moment is a bad look.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning August 14, 2017 5:38 PM  

VFM #7916 wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m

The video at 0:15-

"Get the fuck out of here you coward", said the courageous rioter as they ganged up and shut down the freedom of the press.

Blogger Jed Evnull August 14, 2017 5:39 PM  

Gainesville politicians quickly removed Confederate statue "Old Joe":

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/florida/gainesville-removes-confederate-statute

O, I'm a good old Rebel,
Now that's just what I am,
For this "Fair Land of Freedom"
I do not care a damn;

I'm glad I fit against it --
I only wish we'd won,
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I done.

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 5:41 PM  

There's two sides here: the establishment and the Alt Right. Which are you? If you're criticing UtR *in any way shape or form for any reason* as opposed to unequivocally defending them, you are objectively aiding the enemy. Please remember this. There's no room for nuance here. Either your are with the lefties or youre with the people the lefties were attacking. There is no principled middle ground. You either stand for your people, flaws and all or you cuck and watch your wife get railed by Tyrone (and be gleeful about it if you're a certain type). If you're standing in some mythic principled middle I have news for you: Tyrone is already banging your wife right now.

Anonymous Chrome Dynamo August 14, 2017 5:46 PM  

My 2 cents of copper coated zinc worth:
When someone suddenly turns from left to right without an epiphany like getting their asses kicked at a BlackLiesMatter rally because they are the wrong color skin, maybe you want to wonder they are aspiring to leadership in your group?

Blogger Timmy3 August 14, 2017 5:51 PM  

Yep, these White Nationalists are really on the same side as the Antifa and BLM so it's really a civil war. Yet another day and Antifa and BLM are excused for their violence. This is still high stakes identity politics. Racists, all of them. The failure or deliberate ignorance of their own Leftist agitation is so ridiculous. Politics has never been so idiotic.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2017 5:51 PM  

Grayman wrote:Watching the twitter streams the last week or so what seems to be clear is that the middle ground has been largely obliterated. This event appears to have accelerated polarization (not surprising really) such that those who try and stand in the middle face heat from both sides.

Whether it ultimately helps or hurts the alt-right i think is yet to be seen.


Sounds positive to me. Unless you have dreams of taking back the country through elections, which seems highly unrealistic now that Trump has exposed the extent of entrenched corruption, then the goal should be to move as quickly as possible to a situation where two loud factions make clear they won't co-exist. Then the identity issue can be solved through some combination of war and secession. And time is not on the nationalists' side unless Trump somehow reverses the relative decline of the native population, which looks increasingly unlikely. The private sector has already established control over thought and speech and government may adopt Eurostyle totalitarianism as soon as 2021.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2017 5:52 PM  

Here's a fair trade: they remove the statues, we'll remove the elected officials who support anti-white hate.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 14, 2017 5:54 PM  

"I know Spencer has advocated for single payer healthcare. At the time I took that to be in the context of an Ethnostate."

The meme that I've seen in Alt-White circles (beyond just Spencer) is that some amount of socialism would work, if it was a white country which, due to being white, would have a culture that discouraged parasitism, so it would mostly go to people who needed it for only as long as they actually needed it, because that's how whites do it, it seems to work in Sweden.

At its root is the sort of belief that modern politics has been polarized between two camps (of Jews, naturally) which both go to an unhealthy extreme; the one side pushing the welfare state which bleeds whites to feed nonwhite parasites, the other of which wishes to superstitiously avoid anything that looks like socialism to the point of ignoring the plight of even the poor whites who wouldn't abuse welfare as much because white, and if only we had a white country we could make a reasonable middle position work out.

So when you see them talk about it, that's probably what you're seeing. And, sometimes, "I'd be happy to pay for somebody else's healthcare, as long as they're our people."

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 5:57 PM  

Talk Is Cheap wrote:Vox "as I've long predicted" Day. When a little pressure is applied, the Vox reaction is to panic and attack allies. It's a shame you chose to be a bitchy critic instead of a strong leader.

Vox refuses to accept that he's a leader by definition because he doesn't want to be one. It has been supremely disappointing to watch this denial play out in his choices because I see him as an intellectual father figure. I pray he finds fulfillment in his books and I will try to become the man he chooses not to be.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 14, 2017 5:58 PM  

"Here's a fair trade: they remove the statues, we'll remove the elected officials who support anti-white hate."

Let's make it a tit-for-tat. There is literally a statue of Vladimir Lenin in Seattle. Take it down, and fire anybody who made a pilgrimage to take a selfie in front of it. After all, knowing that one of your co-workers is nostalgic about a mass-murdering genocidal psychopath could create a hostile workplace environment.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 14, 2017 6:05 PM  

108 Aeoli - Maybe Vox figures he's the Pope Benedict of the Alt-Right: the one who leads a contemplative life and assures us of his thoughts and prayers as we're getting the snot beaten out of us.

Blogger pnq8787 August 14, 2017 6:07 PM  

For any future rallies the alt-right does, they should make use of aerial drones to coordinate their movement and record the police and antifa behavior. There doesn't seem to be much drone footage on youtube of the Charlottesville rally.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 14, 2017 6:12 PM  

James Fields visits San Francisco.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMBejGqjEMM

i think he was a little nervous about the safety of his buttocks.

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 6:15 PM  

@102 Either your are with the lefties or youre with the people the lefties were attacking.

What if... what if what if what if... there were players involved that were not on the ground, and see themselves as neither left or right?

Or maybe I'll just be more blunt. What if TPTB are trying to kick off a civil war or some kind of race war as a cover to execute a coup on Trump and grab a firmer stronghold on the US? (*)

And before I hear "muh 2nd Amendment! muh based military! muh police have Trump's back!"... No. We would get crushed in a civil war, that much is apparent by now.

We need to be more cunning. TPTB are in control, not us.

BLM, Antifa, leftism, alt-right, alt-west, alt-retard -- it's all a distraction that doesn't matter. Satan is already here and ready to strike.

(*) Does anybody really believe TPTB are pushing migrants into Europe by the millions because they're just bleeding-heart liberals?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 6:16 PM  

Wanda Sherratt wrote:108 Aeoli - Maybe Vox figures he's the Pope Benedict of the Alt-Right: the one who leads a contemplative life and assures us of his thoughts and prayers as we're getting the snot beaten out of us.

He's right about the part where y'all are retarded. But...he's wrong to think a (non)leader can criticize and disavow dumbass grunts in public and have no effect on morale.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales August 14, 2017 6:22 PM  

@115

From the safety of the beautiful fields of the Nebraska of Europe, as he calls the Milan area, no less, the traitorous deserter. XD

Blogger Darwinite August 14, 2017 6:24 PM  

They are not even to the right of the average cuckservative.
Fascism and Communism are the right and left wings of the Socialist movement, they are not even to the right of Bernie Sanders.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 6:26 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:@115

From the safety of the beautiful fields of the Nebraska of Europe, as he calls the Milan area, no less, the traitorous deserter. XD


He isn't a traitor, he's a civilian. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

Anonymous Simplytimothy August 14, 2017 6:33 PM  

Neocon Jen Rubin of wapo calling for removal of our symbols. Ok, you take one of ours, we take two of yours comes to mind.

But, for the life of me...

1. What are their symbols?
2. In the hearts and minds op, is that good strategy right now?

Anonymous Cheddarman August 14, 2017 6:36 PM  

@110 Shut your whore mouth. Vox has already done more for the restoration of Westrn Civilization than you ever will.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales August 14, 2017 6:38 PM  

@119

While this is true... the odds of him personally dying are slim to none if the US goes the way of yugoslavia... for a time, at least.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales August 14, 2017 6:41 PM  

@113

Ummm... how is that apparent? These guys marched into a democratic stronghold where the governor and mayor were anti-trump dems and controlled the police there and things spiraled out of control because the police were ordered to stand down and let the other democrat controlled operatives have their way with the demonstrators. All this proves is what we already know: that the odds are stacked against people who are not left in democratic strongholds. Was this really ever in doubt?

Blogger Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 6:42 PM  

"Neocon Jen Rubin of wapo calling for removal of our symbols. Ok, you take one of ours, we take two of yours comes to mind."

What are OUR symbols?

To someone born and raised in Indiana, it's not a confederate symbol (which are regional symbols, at best).

So, what are the national OUR symbols you are talking about?

Anonymous BBGKB August 14, 2017 6:43 PM  

white supremacist and ‘Unite the Right’ leader, Jason Kessler, was said to be a supporter of former President Obama

Some white supremacists said voting for Obama would redpill everyone with how bad a black president would be, but joining is bad news.

Thinking A nazi and Klan rally in Terry McAuliffe's State is going to go off without the Governor

He allowed a KKK rally last year, its the alt-right he does fear. I posted that I was at gay locations in Cville but didn't go there I realized Terry McAuliffe would probably try to screw with it when he was finished sucking niglets off in the morning. I wonder if Antifa busted in anywhere looking for me.

Blogger Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 6:45 PM  

Richard Spencer seems to have crossed over into "fool my twice" territory.

There have been two incidents where the alt-right has been smeared as having links to Nazism, and Richard Spencer is involved in both.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 14, 2017 6:50 PM  

@119 - Kindly do not fart in the presence of a lady. And I'll wait until I see the actual "restoration of Western Civilization" before I decide on what, if any, place Vox has in that feat.

Blogger Cederq August 14, 2017 6:51 PM  

125, show us the lady...

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2017 6:53 PM  

Who bitch dis is?

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 14, 2017 6:57 PM  

It's the one who's a respectable wife and mother of 3 handicapped children. Next question?

Anonymous Simplytimothy August 14, 2017 6:57 PM  

@otto Review of the.map of the various nations that make up the u.s.

I don't know how you do things in Indiana I know how we do them down here

To clarify, what are our mutual enemy's symbols? And is it smart at this point to Target them

Blogger tz August 14, 2017 6:57 PM  

This is an important point, perhaps the key.
When we are in a world of identity politics (whether we desire to be or not), the allies will themselves all be an identity not an ideology.
It is now the antifa pole - and they have even less of an ideology - v.s. the alt-right pole.

After we extinguish the fire - I think of both Rome burning and Puddleglum v.s. the Green Witch - we can reconstruct something, and many if not most on the right want a far smaller government if not minarchy.

Bringing ideology to an identitarian fight is like bringing knife to a gunfight. Or worse, bringing a copy of the collected works of Aristotle to a gunfight.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 14, 2017 6:58 PM  

Oh, and they're all white, too. I know how much that matters to you fine examples of Western Civilization.

Blogger John Calla August 14, 2017 6:59 PM  

@121

Not to be pedantic but the police really didn't "stand down". They were actively and physically pushing the rally people into antifa. (That was VSP in full riot gear.) They weren't just standing down... they were part of it.

The problem I have with the "limited setup" scenario is that it looks quite deeper than that. The press had their talking points all set up well beforehand, so they knew what the plan was. The tech companies rushed in the day after to close down places left and right. That is also suspicious. Places all over the south are pulling down monuments now. Trump is forced to make multiple statements on the matter.

Now... I *guess* it's possible that Kessler and company had no idea this would turn out so bad. But even little old me who wasn't involved in any planning saw what was going to happen days in advance and told people they were nuts for going.

This thing stinks to high heaven.

What is the overall goal of these rallies other than to escalate violence into a full-on civil war?

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 7:04 PM  

@Johnc - thanks for coming down from your mountain compound to share that fascinating and original bit of wisdom. Forfeiture and concession are not options for some of us.

Blogger Quilp August 14, 2017 7:08 PM  

Last year was an election year. With Hillary supposedly about to crush Donald Trump. Totally different situation. I'd much rather take shots at Conservatism inc than these lonely larpers, but reichtards is appropriate. They are angry, with some justification. They find the symbolism they use upsets those who have been telling them all their lives they have it better than others, and need to apologize for their ancestors.

But this is not Skokie 1977. First came the hate crimes legislation, and legally protected classes. Now the left is doing everything it can to criminalize speech it doesn't like. It's no coincidence it uses the word "hate " so often, or labels so much discourse as Hate speech, especially when it concerns one of those protected classes. With the election of Trump ,we probably dodged that bullet, for now. However, if the left can be counted on for one thing, its preening for "justice" when it sees blood in the water. Hillary is gone, 2020 is going to be a street fight, and Terry wants in. the media is of course pushing the absolute moral justification of leftist causes, breaking those freedom of speech protections, locally, is not something a governor or Mayor etc would worry over, he would almost hope to be made a martyr, protecting the poor helpless protected class from damaging, mean, hateful speech.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 14, 2017 7:09 PM  

122. Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 6:42 PM
To someone born and raised in Indiana, it's not a confederate symbol


strange then that i see Confederate Battle Flags all over Indiana.

Blogger Cederq August 14, 2017 7:10 PM  

Hmm, imbibed drugs and alcohol during gravida para...

Blogger tz August 14, 2017 7:12 PM  

@109 - there is a statue of Margaret Sanger in the Smithsonian. Maybe we should remove it first. Literal Nazi. Wrote the racist Pivot of Civilization. Spoke to the KKK.

Then there's the person who wanted the 2nd version of the 13th amendment that would have enshrined slavery in the constitution forever:



https://infogalactic.com/info/Corwin_Amendment

We should tear down every monument to this monster first.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 14, 2017 7:13 PM  

Gurpgork wrote:User wrote:"It's not about gaining the media's favor, for the Nth time. What is stupid is your inability to understand that it is about how we present ourselves to the general public."

You have me mistaken. My point is the media narrative is how the general public sees us, and we could present as boyscouts and they'd still call us nazis—like they essentially did with the actual boy-scouts.



Media calls alt right nazi's when they act like boyscouts: Media loses credibility and alt right gains it.

Media calls alt right nazi's when they act like actual nazi's: Media gains credibility and alt right loses it.

This is not a difficult concept nor choice...


How quaint. You assume the truth matters when the mainstream media is involved. It doesn't, and it won't.

Blogger tz August 14, 2017 7:13 PM  

Text of the endorsement of Corwin (my oops)
I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service....holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2017 7:16 PM  

@137 Honest Abe Lincoln wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. He was more of a white supremacist than anyone who was in Charlottesville.

Tear down the Lincoln memorial!!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2017 7:19 PM  

That's it... we need an Alt Right anti-racism rally at the Lincoln Memorial.

Anonymous MakeSureItsGoingDown August 14, 2017 7:22 PM  

I'm all about negging...anywhere, everywhere, EVERY WHITE WOMAN should know that she has NO RIGHT to run for office (in the DNC at least) if there is a woman of color that wants that job. Just like we are seeing in Georgia right now (had to love the heckling).

Every.Single.White.Female that is not already alt-right, needs to "step aside" to give HER job, HER promotion, her...everything, to women of color and for that matter, men of color.

Also, UVa should IMMEDIATELY take down ANYTHING remotely related to Thomas Jefferson...same with any Andy Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, George Washington...well, just about anybody--Robert Byrd included (any highway or building named after him).

Complete, utter cleansing to ensure "supremacy" is extinguished.

Neg neg neg. Any article, post, blog, FB, etc. Gay men, white women...ANYONE who is on the Left who is NOT of color, should go to the back of the bus.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2017 7:24 PM  

@143 Maybe the antifas are actually Alt Right and are just a couple of steps ahead of us.

Anonymous Grinder August 14, 2017 7:25 PM  

Very convincing, Vox. I guess that retraction and apology from the ADL will arrive any day now.
These recent threads are confusing as to their intent. I consider Charlottesville a success that could have been much much better with improved planning but the gloom and blackpilling here is defeatist. I have actually been to a number of protests and demos ranging from non-racial events to the racial and luckily nothing major happened in the ones I attended but even without swastikas on display, little was accomplished by your standards. One protest I wanted to attend but could not was the anti-globalist demo at Quebec City in 2001 as it coincided with a music festival nearby. There were anti-globalists in numbers and the police responded with brutality in their suppression including copious teargas and rubber bullets fired on the protesters. Several people struck by rubber bullets were severely injured. One unlucky protester caught one in the throat that almost killed him and left him permanently injured. The longer term consequences of the peoples attempt at resistance to the globalist agenda - little or none. It was dismissed as leftists - anarchists. Globalization then was more about loss of manufacturing jobs. Now we also have the later by-product of globalization - mass importing of third worlders into white countries. The nation wrecking globalist jews already had a plan for how to deal with future resistance and demos and it is to call all whites who exhibit any nationalist tendencies or support even limiting non-white immigration as bigots or xenophobes if not outright racists and Nazis. You will not sneak real anti-globalists who truly support the right of whites to exist into power just by banning symbols and garb that the jew tube has already associated with evil gas chamber and ovens genociders who only ever existed in their own imaginations. It does not matter. I said you will all be called Nazis no matter your denials. The situation cannot improve without it getting worse first. The overlords are already scared and with their fear they will crank up their police state totalitarianism until enough normies will be driven into miserable conditions and their resolve hardened by increasingly desperate conditions and bleak futures for their children and they will then end Marxism in our countries just like the all-powerful Soviet State just evaporated. I think it is really farfetched to assign so much power to meth-using Nazi larpers that they could derail the alt-right so devastatingly. Absurd. And do all of you believe that things end at the culture war alone and that you will never have to make any sacrifice for victory and the secured existence of the white race? Maybe whites are not strong enough to survive. We wouldn't be the first civilization to be extinguished.

Blogger Kristophr August 14, 2017 7:31 PM  

tz wrote:@109 - there is a statue of Margaret Sanger in the Smithsonian. Maybe we should remove it first. Literal Nazi. Wrote the racist Pivot of Civilization. Spoke to the KKK.

Then there's the person who wanted the 2nd version of the 13th amendment that would have enshrined slavery in the constitution forever:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Corwin_Amendment

We should tear down every monument to this monster first.



Lincoln offered to resurrect the Corwin Amendment, provided the South end the rebellion. They thought they could win, so they refused.

It was offered to the states, and is still active. If enough states vote to ratify it, things would get kinda strange ...

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 7:32 PM  

The people making the argument that "they should have never gone into a Democratic stronghold looking for trouble anyway" fall into two categories: the first is making a realistic observation about the political situation in America, the consequences of which, if fully understood, should black pill the Constitution-clutching milquetoast-and-brimstone conservatives (those of you scared to death of radically rethinking your basic conceptions of the social organization and the state without shrieking "s-s-s-socialist!!!") so badly that they run off and join JohnC on his mountain compound; the second category is people groping for a rationalization to assuage their guilty consciences.

If you fall into the second category, which is probably about 90%, don't feel bad; you're only human. If you fall into the first category, no matter which way you slice it, "political concession" is a big part of your strategy. The winners of history do not concede any spaces. And I know I'll get a historical litany of references to strategic withdrawal, which only shows that these people aren't capable of separating, pace Clausewitz, politics from war. If Clausewitz was alive he would have a lot to learn from Gene Sharp, William Lind and Saul Alinsky ("@^&$%!*").

Blogger Kristophr August 14, 2017 7:40 PM  

Oh, and the NAZILarpers do need to get their gear corrected:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dLJGg12nASU/WZGNOC8PO9I/AAAAAAAAdeU/3y5IBX4LT14QvYsTnXcHxoNOL8ZB1agJACKgBGAs/s1600/Swastiki.png

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 7:42 PM  

If you're reposting the enemy's memes, you're doing it wrong.

Anonymous Grinder August 14, 2017 7:44 PM  

And what's wrong with single payer healthcare as long as it is paid for by whites and is for whites only? Most Canadians prefer our system to the 'let the poor eat cake' system USA has. The problems with both our systems will lessen as more of the tribe make Aliyah esp. lawyers.

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 7:44 PM  

Truly an awful meme Kristophr - everyone agrees (whether they acknowledge it to themselves or not) that the torch-lit march was positively enchanting.

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 7:48 PM  

Old Ez -

I don't know which of your categories I fall in or maybe it's a combination of something else altogether. We all have different life experiences that shape our perspectives, as well as what tactics we think work and don't work.

I've said before that there are no political solutions to our problems, since our problems are not political in nature. At this point I have accepted our fate. You can not hold back the arm of an angry God. Perhaps the blow may be lessened. But even now, at this late hour, whites are not interested in turning back.

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 7:54 PM  

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Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 7:55 PM  

"At this point I have accepted our fate."
And that is why you are of no use to me.
God helps those who help themselves - and sometimes that means dragging your people by their hair.

Anonymous Jack August 14, 2017 8:04 PM  

I watched one of the fake news stories on Charlottesville and they made it look like a Nuremberg rally, which wasn't difficult because there were a bunch of people walking around in formation at night carrying torches. The only thing missing was the actual swastika formation, and Leni Riefenstahl's cinematography. Bad optics indeed.

Anonymous shushedout August 14, 2017 8:05 PM  

#NoMoreWhiteCandidates2020DNC

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 8:11 PM  

@jack "there were a bunch of people walking around in formation at night carrying torches."

Horror of horrors! Don't your knuckles get sore from all that pearl clutching?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 8:13 PM  

"Do you really know so little about the history of the neocons"

A rather inexact analogy. The most important difference between neocons and sincere converts from the Far Left like Whittaker Chambers or James Burnham is, of course, not an ideological one, but one of identity.

It was never really about "Communism" back when the neocons were Trots, neoconservative foreign policy has nothing to do with US national interests or "capitalism." Neoconservatism is about identity, not ideology.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 14, 2017 8:14 PM  

If you're reposting the enemy's memes, you're doing it wrong.

Especially since the enemy has awful memes.

Anonymous Jack August 14, 2017 8:15 PM  

Jonathan Bowden spelled out the problem with the Alt Reich years ago - they don't want to accept that hierarchy is endemic in EVERYTHING, including within a race. Or if they do, they somehow regard themselves as being at the top of it without any good reason. Every injun wanna be the chief. As Vox said, leaders need to be proven.

This is one of the problems with having a pagan philosophy instead of Christian. Christianity teaches humility. If your place in the hierarchy is low, then so be it, accept it, and do your best with it. Paganism says "Muh pride! Muh pride!" (And yes, I realize the irony that Bowden himself was an anti-Christian pagan.)

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 8:26 PM  

A good short review of Charlottesville:

http://fashthenation.com/2017/08/charlottesville-government-police-conspire-with-communists-to-shut-down-peaceful-rally/

The podcast had some good coverage of the rally, too.

http://fashthenation.com/2017/08/fash-the-nation-week-83-our-moral-imperative/

Blogger Lew Rand August 14, 2017 8:29 PM  

The further down the rabbit hole of looking at this event, the more I believe that the car accident is the most important thing and is the only thing that saved the day for anti-fa.

Without that, today most of the weekend would be forgotten and both sides would be claiming hollow victories and we would be discussing North Korea or how Mueller is looking stupider.

But by chance (and I'll go Conspiracy a little that hard work makes luck happen if needed) the whole frame of the debate has taken on 'the White Supremacists are hateful killers. SEE'.

I guess all that will really come of this is more time knocked off before the probably war...

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 8:29 PM  

Boy they're on fire now.

https://twitter.com/NewtTrump/status/897245352696434690

Blogger Rough Carrigan August 14, 2017 8:30 PM  

#128. An identity point system deciding the validity of your arguments is 3 blogs over.

Blogger Kristophr August 14, 2017 8:33 PM  

Old Ez wrote:Truly an awful meme Kristophr - everyone agrees (whether they acknowledge it to themselves or not) that the torch-lit march was positively enchanting.

Come on now, it is amusing. Stole it from Peter Grant's blog.

Anonymous Godfrey August 14, 2017 8:35 PM  

VD,

How likely is it that Spencer is controlled opposition?

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 8:36 PM  

When a little pressure is applied, the Vox reaction is to panic and attack allies. It's a shame you chose to be a bitchy critic instead of a strong leader.

No pressure at all was applied to me. No socialist or Nazi is an ally of mine. I am not bitching, and in fact my criticism has been acknowledged as generally correct by people at the rally. No one improves by failing to learn from partial failure.

Vox refuses to accept that he's a leader by definition because he doesn't want to be one. It has been supremely disappointing to watch this denial play out in his choices because I see him as an intellectual father figure. I pray he finds fulfillment in his books and I will try to become the man he chooses not to be.

I have made it very clear that I am not an activist or a leader. I pray that events never require me to become a leader, because I would only do so in absolute extremis. I would much rather provide those with the ambition to lead with the intellectual tools to do so. Who contributed more, Niccolo Machiavelli or Lodrisio Visconti? Who still matters today?

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 8:37 PM  

How likely is it that Spencer is controlled opposition?

10 percent tops. Not very likely.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 8:38 PM  

A mob just took down a Civil war statue in Durham, NC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXqib9IguJM

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 8:40 PM  

My bad, you can't rewind that stream.

No sound version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-uAZa4H1vk

Blogger Kristophr August 14, 2017 8:43 PM  

Make them pay for a new statue, twice as large as the old one.

Anonymous Avalanche August 14, 2017 8:47 PM  

Vox, please allow Judeo Christ to return to posting your Periscope replays on YouTube. I know you're working towards a new/different system for having them up -- but in the meantime, until you do, having them on YouTube is very helpful in sending people to see.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot August 14, 2017 8:47 PM  

"... merely that one should think twice, or perhaps three times, before placing any confidence in them."

Let's bring back the "old testaments", shall we?

Trial by ordeal then it is.

Blogger Old Ez August 14, 2017 8:47 PM  

"Jonathan Bowden spelled out the problem with the Alt Reich years ago - they don't want to accept that hierarchy is endemic in EVERYTHING, including within a race. Or if they do, they somehow regard themselves as being at the top of it without any good reason. Every injun wanna be the chief. As Vox said, leaders need to be proven."

Glib boomer blather. These people will invent whatever false, intellectually ham-fisted rationalizations they need to justify their inertia. I'm sure you're sitting on a really nice 401(k) Jack.

Blogger VD August 14, 2017 8:49 PM  

Vox, please allow Judeo Christ to return to posting your Periscope replays on YouTube.

He's working on it. I want the quality to be better.

Blogger Lazarus August 14, 2017 8:55 PM  

Whitey Whiteman III wrote:A mob just took down a Civil war statue in Durham, NC




Looks like the Southrons are losing Round Two as well.

Anonymous Simplytimothy August 14, 2017 8:58 PM  

College towns, all.
Durham, Gainsville, Cville

Anonymous MakeSureItsGoingDown August 14, 2017 9:07 PM  

Everyone should be negging the crap out of Thomas Jefferson...EVERY SINGLE thing liberals (still, possibly) respect...anything by anyone remotely involved in slavery, anti-civil rights, etc. NEEDS TO COME DOWN, BE ERASED. UVa should be renamed after a black civil rights activist.

#EraseThomasJefferson
#EraseMargaretSanger
#EraseGeorgeWashington

Slip in a neg in every single positive (in their eyes) action. Libs need to have the tears flowing.

Why isn't the head of NOW a woman of color?
#TerryONeillStepAside

#NoMoreWarrenOnlyBlackWoman

The disposition of Stacey Evans in Georgia after being shouted down by sheeboons was PRICELESS. More of this.

Anonymous Arie C. August 14, 2017 9:08 PM  

I really hate these stupid fucks white trash. I see these bums in their trailer parks, watching the WWE and bragging about their "white supremacy" and I just cringe. Get a job you lazy sacks of shit. I see black people in government and schools working harder than your average piece of white trash. This whole weekend made me embarrassed to be a white person. It is embarrassing the Alt-Right are jobless losers who can't even feed their families. FEMA camps would be too good for them. Just OD on meth and heroin already.

Blogger Pteronarcyd August 14, 2017 9:08 PM  

Spot on! It seems that most in the Alt Reich were of a different political persuasion not long ago, and have a history of bouncing from one political faction to another. They are not rooted in Right-wing principles. They have appropriated the label, Alt Right, and are giving it a bad name. They are stupid enough to play into the Leftist wheelhouse by overtly worshipping Hitler, a position that the Left has easily and successfully excoriated for eight decades. They are unable to comprehend the magnitude of the failure Hitler imposed upon Germany -- over 8% of the nation's population killed in just six years, many the cream of Germany's genomic crop.

Anonymous Anonymous August 14, 2017 9:10 PM  

You appeared in one of Ben Shapiro podcasts. I think that his definition of the alt right is totally bias:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67zCG-KPWfQ

Anonymous Looking Glass August 14, 2017 9:11 PM  

@146 Old Ez

I think holding rallies in Blue territory is an okay idea; getting setup to take the fall is categorically on the organizers. If they had proper overwatch & recon, they'd have sniffed out the setup and canceled before the Left could get scalps. (They also should have had a backup rally location; it's hard to bus Antifa to a new location quickly.)

@167 VD

I think the chance is somewhat higher, but I also just don't think he's worth much to anyone. I'm really annoyed at Pax for getting played. He's really useful.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 14, 2017 9:13 PM  

@177 MakeSureItsGoingDown

Blackflagging the Left with #NoWhiteDemocrats is going to be valuable in the 2020 cycle. There's still a civil war on the Left going on, the MSM just hides it.

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2017 9:21 PM  

@182 Looking Glass
It seems strange they want to return to the Reconstruction Era....when white Southerners (Democrats) were not permitted to vote or run for public office....when only Negro and Carpetbaggers were allowed to participate in the political process...when the victor occupied the South militarily for 12 years and controlled virtually all law enforcement activities.
They think that is what they want?

Anonymous MakeSureItsGoingDown August 14, 2017 9:21 PM  

Every blue hair, childless, 30-something white female needs to know, she is JUST AS CULPABLE for...whatever, as her brother, father, cousin, "that funny gay guy at work". Same goes for any white woman, they are part of the "whitriarchy"

#NoMoreWhiteWomenDNC2018and20

#BlackWomanCEOGoogleNOW

#BlackNFLCommishNow

If it is a company, political office, agency head, etc..it needs POC, period.

Blogger Gary Eden August 14, 2017 9:23 PM  

#EraseThomasJefferson won't work, the left wants that too. #NoWhiteDemocrats will work.

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2017 9:27 PM  

@184 MakeSureOfSomething
"If it is a company, political office, agency head, etc..it needs POC, period."

You can hardly wait to get things started.
Maybe you will get what you want.
I hope so.
Drive out all the whites.
We will take them.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2017 9:28 PM  

A mob just took down a Civil war statue in Durham, NC

Knew we could count on the Left to blow it.

Blogger Gary Eden August 14, 2017 9:28 PM  

The AR will never succeed if it doesn't go meat space. Those advising to stay virtual should be ignored.

Why is everyone freaking out about being called NAZI racist? They always call us NAZI racist.

You all act like you didn't think this would eventually come to blood. What did you expect?

One deranged mans actions don't define us. Thats the play the left always looses. Why doesn't DJT have our back like Obama had theirs?

Of course, evidence is pointing to self defense.

Whats our version of "hands up don't shoot"?

Thats what we should be thinking about, not turning on our allies.

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 9:30 PM  

Antifa conquers Minneapolis: State / County flags taken down and burned. Antifa flag goes up.

https://twitter.com/haut3damn/status/897245193241587712

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2017 9:32 PM  

@188 Gary Eden
"Whats our version of "hands up don't shoot"?"

I live here.

Blogger Sam August 14, 2017 9:35 PM  

@159
Christianity teaches all are equal in the sight of God. That is the literal opposite of humility before other humans. Humility is a Catholic virtue, it is not inevitably part of Christianity.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 9:43 PM  

Now, they taken down and burned the Minnesota state flag and put up antifa one. Plus, burned a khakis and white collar shirt dude in effigy.

https://twitter.com/haut3damn/status/897245193241587712

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 14, 2017 9:44 PM  

johnc wrote:Antifa conquers Minneapolis: State / County flags taken down and burned. Antifa flag goes up.

https://twitter.com/haut3damn/status/897245193241587712



Heh. They can't stop destroying -- guess it's like potato chips. Antifa and the rest of the Commie Brigades burning down Civilization is what we want the normies to see.

Take plenty of video and pictures for posting, but share with friends and family foremost. Inoculate them against what they will eventually see on the Devil TV; the Prince of the Air loves him some TV.

All proceeds apace.

Anonymous Avalanche August 14, 2017 9:53 PM  

@110 "Maybe Vox ... the one who leads a contemplative life and assures us of his thoughts and prayers as we're getting the snot beaten out of us."

Wow. Petty bitchy. If you had LISTENED to Vox, and taken his well-contemplated ADVICE, you would NOT be getting the snot beaten out of you!

You do NOT waste your "Merlin" or your Darth Bannon out ON the field of battle. That's beyond stupid! You take these widely and deeply educated synthesizers of history and the current world -- and FOLLOW THEIR ADVICE! Any reasonably smart andf able 'officer' can lead the battle -- even IN 4GW (have you read the book yet? If not, shut up!) -- but wasting your high-level advisors -- especially when he already TOLD yo how to avoid getting the snot beaten out of you... well I guess you deserve it.

(So, haven't read Lind and never been in the military either. You should DEFINITELY be giving advice on battle... NOT!)

Anonymous johnc August 14, 2017 9:56 PM  

@193 Antifa and the rest of the Commie Brigades burning down Civilization is what we want the normies to see.

We threw an interception on Saturday. And now they just went and fumbled the ball.

They have no self-discipline.

Blogger lowercaseb August 14, 2017 10:02 PM  

Man of the Atom wrote:Heh. They can't stop destroying -- guess it's like potato chips. Antifa and the rest of the Commie Brigades burning down Civilization is what we want the normies to see.

yeah...this is definitely a "Hold my beer" moment for the left.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2017 10:08 PM  

Unite the Right: Watch this!
Left/Media/Cucks: Look, the Alt-Right is the worst thing ever!
Antifa: Hold my beer.....

Anonymous Icicle August 14, 2017 10:22 PM  

That was fast.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 10:25 PM  

@78 Arie C.
"I really hate these stupid fucks white"

We know. Rest assured that your anti-white hatred makes you oh, so very special. The more virulent, the better. A moral exemplar for all, even. Honest.

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