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Sunday, August 27, 2017

"Police have disappeared"

From Twitter:

"Police have completely disappeared from #Berkeley. People getting beaten up. Red flags being waved in the air."

This is a surprise? Again? Really?

What part of "when seconds count, the police are 20 minutes away" failed to register with gun-owning conservatives?

Observations:
  1. The police have ZERO responsibility to protect you. None. This is settled case law. Never, ever, count on police protection from anything.
  2. The police work for the local mayor. The local mayor's political allegiances dictate how the police will be utilized.
  3. This marks the third time - at least - that police protection has been proffered and then withdrawn.
  4. Street rallies serve no positive purpose, although they can be effectively used to demonstrate a) the politicization of the police as well as b) the violent lawlessness of the Alt-Left.

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192 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 27, 2017 6:44 PM  

No police presence?

Now is your time to beat some Commie faces in.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 27, 2017 6:48 PM  

No police visible does NOT mean every angle is not under constant surveillance & video recording.

Getting railroaded into Dindu Alley (prison) at this point strikes me as remarkably self-destructive.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 27, 2017 6:50 PM  

One must ask, "does every successful revolution require early martyrs?"

I know my view, but it is unpopular when people's blood is boiling.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 27, 2017 6:51 PM  

Then you shouldn't show up to a rally in Berkeley in the first place.

That's like running down Main St in Vidor Texas yelling "Where the white women at?"

Blogger Dos Voltz August 27, 2017 6:52 PM  

Vidor Texas, you say?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 27, 2017 6:54 PM  

If you're black, don't do what I just mentioned.

Anonymous Welch August 27, 2017 7:03 PM  

Shut up Jay.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat August 27, 2017 7:08 PM  

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Blogger Abyssus Invocat August 27, 2017 7:11 PM  

CORRECTED: The police and the political administration of sinkholes like Berkeley are desperate to provoke a violent, preferably kinetic, réponse from the AltRight. That's why the cops disappear. Every street rally is an opportunity for the AltLeft to run a false flag operation. Defend yourselves, defend your homes and your neighbourhoods with all the tools at your disposal but do NOT get sucked into street fights with idiots. The state will only ever crack down on one side and that side is not the AltLeft

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 27, 2017 7:12 PM  

You must be very proud of yourself, Welch. You clicked on my screen name and read my profile. So edgy. Very trolling.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 7:14 PM  

8. Abyssus Invocat

Every street rally is an opportunity for the AltLeft to run a false flag operation. Defend yourselves, defend your homes and your neighbourhoods with all the tools at your disposal but do NOT get sucked into street fights with idiots. The state will only ever crack down on one side and that side is not ours.

So...let the leftists have the run of the country and just fortify your own rabbit-hole?

Blogger VD August 27, 2017 7:18 PM  

So...let the leftists have the run of the country and just fortify your own rabbit-hole?

Let them? What are you going to do to stop them? Cry?

Anonymous Battlefrog August 27, 2017 7:19 PM  

After Charlottesville, /pol/ suggested organizing fake rallies to bait Antifa into rioting. I believe that is what is happening here.

It's a good strategy, except for the unwanted side effect of the more naive Trump supporters showing up in small numbers and getting mobbed.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2017 7:20 PM  

I read one report where some Antifa bragged that they surrounded a white man in a MAGA hat and dogpiled him until the cops dragged them off. Maybe that was before the cops disappeared altogether. Sounds like the cops did the same as last time, letting Antifa keep their masks and bring in baseball bats. They also arrested Based Stickman a couple days ago, for....having a stick? That maybe should have been a sign.

If any of our friends like lowercaseb are there, I hope they're okay. Other than that, it sounds like the Alt-Left beat up on some Alt-Lite types who trusted the police (again) and didn't want to be associated with the icky Alt-Right. I think the Alt-Left also attacked some media. Sounds like a win.

Blogger Lazarus August 27, 2017 7:20 PM  

4G warfare requires an ambush mentality, as in, you are the one doing the ambushing, not the one being ambushed (just so no one misconstrues my meaning).

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 7:24 PM  

12. VD August 27, 2017 7:18 PM

Let them? What are you going to do to stop them?

We could organize a counter demonstration, but that would run the risk of someone calling us a mean name and some Nazis might show up and embarrass us.

Better to hide I suppose.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 7:25 PM  

Sorta live coverage at the SF Chronic:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-coverage-violence-at-berkeley-rally-escalates-police-make-arrests/ar-AAqNjtQ


Free speech rallies are a magnet for belligerent Commies now.

Blogger lowercaseb August 27, 2017 7:25 PM  

OMG...I can't believe those idiots continued with the rally. They were telling us yesterday...Berkeley rally is canceled. Don't show up...

Here's the thing.When you tell people not to show, we tend to take you at your word.

Yesterday was a clusterfuck. We knew it was going to be, I had no idea why the organizers were pushing it forward. Then I saw them running the police, pols and Antifa around like the keystone cops with all the canceling and resetting new rally points. I thought that was a strategy...and a damn fine one. Announce a rally without a permit, get them to lose their shit and rally all the defenders and then not show up and let bored antifa do what bored antifa does best.

...but nope. They tell the rank and file to stay away, then show up anyway to pick a fight they can't win, and give antifa the win they are desperately want. Berkeley managed to paint Kyle as the alt-right Eric Clanton and got him a legal ban from attending rallies until the trial.

Well, the battle is done. Hopefully we can be smarter next time.

Blogger modsquad August 27, 2017 7:27 PM  

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents August 27, 2017 7:30 PM  

@19

LOL @ Boomertards.

Blogger Rhett August 27, 2017 7:32 PM  

To provide the context for 4., 5., 6. above - On a billboard on the main roads into and out of Vidor, Tx - circa 1970 -"Ngga, don't let the sun go down on you in Vidor, Texas"

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 27, 2017 7:33 PM  

the only problem i have with the term "Alt Left" is that there is no "Alt" about it.

these are bog standard Leftists.

this is what Leftists always do.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 7:33 PM  

@18 lowercaseb

Thanks.

I thought that was a strategy...and a damn fine one. Announce a rally without a permit, get them to lose their shit and rally all the defenders and then not show up and let bored antifa do what bored antifa does best.

That would be a good plan. It would work several times, too, since free speech rallies are now magnets for belligerent Commies. Then when they decide to stop showing up, time for a flash rally that disperses quickly.

The 1st gen tactics aren't working anymore. Time for something else.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents August 27, 2017 7:35 PM  

@21 Rhett
On a billboard on the main roads into and out of Vidor, Tx - circa 1970

LOL @Boomertards and their nostalgia.
Nobody else cares.

Blogger Dos Voltz August 27, 2017 7:35 PM  

I'm just your average white guy who keeps moving further out into the sticks. No matter where I go though it seems that Somalis and other dindus keep getting bused in. I hear it's the chicken processors. Just wondering where the last bastion of free association for folks of Saxon descent might be - any chicken processing near Vidor? Cuz then I gotta cross it off my list.

OpenID aew51183 August 27, 2017 7:38 PM  

re: Point 4
That seems to be what is being done here.

A skeleton crew of the lest offensive (read: minority, women, immigrant, LGBT) trump sopporters shows up as "bait", antifa swallows whole, and their optics are smeared across social media.

If the news skews or blacks out coverage, the news gets a black-eye too.

They're following up on the #PunchANazi memetic campaign by baiting out the actual behavior to reinforce it.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 7:40 PM  

I agree wholeheartedly with point 4.

Normie right wingers are getting very woken up by images of Trump fans and "based black guys" getting attacked in the streets by masked communists while the media and police openly cover for them.

The idiots waving sawstikas with David Duke at Cville almost derailed this ongoing awakening, but fortunately leftists never learn.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 27, 2017 7:42 PM  

@11:

You don't give in. YOu practice practical politics.


Attacking the state or its proxies is exactly what they want. They have 'laws' to attack you for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AACPkYx4NZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7Phkm1_3I

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 7:42 PM  

And when Spencer, Enoch and their merry band of idiots stay home it works.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 27, 2017 7:43 PM  

The next rally should be a webinar on "building social media platforms".

Blogger Guitar Man August 27, 2017 7:49 PM  

Oh well. Play with fire. Idiots.

Blogger seeingsights August 27, 2017 7:50 PM  

Folks,

Street protests are not effective. Peaceful street protests very seldom persuade minds. Also, the street protests can degenerate into obnoxiousness and violence, which hurts the cause of the very people protesting.

I recently reread news reports about the protests in Charlotte in 2016--where looting and property damage occurred.

That was very bad public relations for the Left. I think a fair case can be made that that riot contributed to the victory of Donald Trump.

Do not make the mistakes that the Left has made.

Let the god-emperor do what Richard Nixon did: pursue actions that riled up the Left, which got the rest the America against the Left.

Blogger Rhett August 27, 2017 7:51 PM  

24.

LOL.

Blogger Johnny August 27, 2017 7:52 PM  

What comes to mind for me is that if they are going to do these demonstrations they should also do a better job of documenting what happens. That would be a lot of cameras so that a photographic record remains behind. That would be necessary because talk would be disbelieved. Then you do a documentary of the events as they occur. In effect, become a reporter of the event.

Blogger lowercaseb August 27, 2017 7:53 PM  

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Blogger lowercaseb August 27, 2017 7:56 PM  

I will admit I am furious and ashamed that I listened to them, didn't show up and found out like this. Not that I think I could help much. I'd just be another one of those guys underneath a pile of black masked thugs, but damnit...this is my home.

Time to get the emotions under control and be smart. This Saxon has begun to hate.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents August 27, 2017 7:56 PM  

@35 lowercaseb

Maybe the best way to show up is in "grey" mode where nobody notices you, then you can video everything safely. Zombietime style.

Blogger DeploraBard August 27, 2017 7:56 PM  

What part of "when seconds count, the police are 20 minutes away" failed to register with gun-owning conservatives?

Observations:

The police have ZERO responsibility to protect you. None. This is settled case law. Never, ever, count on police protection from anything.
The police work for the local mayor. The local mayor's political allegiances dictate how the police will be utilized.
This marks the third time - at least - that police protection has been proffered and then withdrawn.
Street rallies serve no positive purpose, although they can be effectively used to demonstrate a) the politicization of the police as well as b) the violent lawlessness of the Alt-Left.

To be fair, most people don't know or understand this. Actually, they believe strongly in the complete opposite. It will take a little more for it to reach mainstream.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents August 27, 2017 7:58 PM  

@38 DeploraBard
To be fair, most people don't know or understand this.

MPAI

Blogger DeploraBard August 27, 2017 7:59 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:@38 DeploraBard

To be fair, most people don't know or understand this.

MPAI

Agreed. That is why I am learning to suffer them gladly

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 8:00 PM  

32. seeingsights

Let the god-emperor do what Richard Nixon did: pursue actions that riled up the Left, which got the rest the America against the Left.

And how have things worked out since Nixon and 1974?

How did that genius plan improve anything?

Are things better now than they were in 1974?

Nixon and the right have lost in just about every way possible since 1974.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 8:03 PM  

@11 Sharrukin
@8 Abyssus Invocat

"Every street rally is an opportunity for the AltLeft to run a false flag operation. Defend yourselves, defend your homes and your neighbourhoods with all the tools at your disposal but do NOT get sucked into street fights with idiots. The state will only ever crack down on one side and that side is not ours."

"So...let the leftists have the run of the country and just fortify your own rabbit-hole?"

This might be a good time to note (again) the ongoing massive Shut It Down campaign directed at the alt right, including ADL-directed YT censorship, financial, DDoS, hacking, and other attacks directed at various alt right websites, and, of course, the theft of the DS domain name and unpersoning of Anglin. WN 1.0 site (and leftist bogeyman) Stormfront had their domain stolen as well recently. Interestingly, the media approach was almost opposite to the DS shutdown-- instead of promoting a "We must stop these ebil not-sees!" narrative, the shutdown was largely ignored by the legacy media.

The recent ramping up of physical attacks by the Far Left, and the all-out campaign to shut down alternative media, are not likely to be independent events. It seems that they intend to provoke a physical response from the Right, so that they can characterize it as "hate" and "terrorism," while shouting down/ suppressing any alternative narrative. Just look what they did with Charlottesville.

Also note what happened to Cantwell. He turned himself in on an extremely weak assault charge (clear self-defense, not to mention that the complainant was not actually involved in the altercation), and is being held without bail. This is not common in simple assault cases that result in no significant injury, needless to say.

The truth doesn't matter unless you can get your story out to the public. Can you?

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:05 PM  

Street rallies can serve a purpose. Particularly in regards to building or solidifying your own movement.

If you show up and have hundreds or thousands of people around you that agree with you it's a morale boost and helps keep activists motivated and fighting hard.

Even if you get confronted it's a way to sharpen the animosity your group feels towards those opposed to your ideas.

Street protests don't work when you're badly outnumbered or if you have elements with you that alienate the mainstream of your audience.

That's where the left have the advantage. Beating people up and breaking things doesn't actually alienate the middle class white college educated liberal audience they are shooting for.

That's where control of the education system, and by extension the worldview of most journalists, really starts to bite.

There are ways for the right to win with street protests. In general just look at Cville as a guide of what not to do.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 8:06 PM  

"they can be effectively used to demonstrate a) the politicization of the police as well as b) the violent lawlessness of the Alt-Left"

They've successfully accomplished more than that.

They've conclusively proved that "Is it good for the Jews?" trumps the constitution, the laws, all morality, all professional ethics and all common decency.

I already knew this is an ethnic war, being waged by Jews against real Americans. Now I know the full extent of just how nasty the Jewish side is.

Antifa is the ADL with baseball bats. The ADL is Antifa without baseball bats. It is that simple.

Know yourself, know your enemy, in a thousand battles a thousand victories. But if you stick your head in the sand and pretend the enemy is "the left" or "globalists" or "blacks" or "Islam", prepare to be defeated. The sad remnants of leftism, and even globalism itself, are mere means to an end. The real enemy is Jewish hyper-ethnocentrism, "Is it good for the Jews?".

Successful resistance is an absolute necessity. The Jews will just keep getting nastier and nastier as their power increases with changing demographics, the concentration of wealth, and the erosion American's old fashioned morality and patriotism.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:09 PM  

That is some weapons grade monomania you've got going on there.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 8:11 PM  

"waving swastikas with David Duke at Cville"

David Duke did not wave a swastika.

Blogger seeingsights August 27, 2017 8:14 PM  

@41

Um, Nixon was re-elected in 1972 with about 60 percent of the vote and won 49 out of 50 states.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 8:15 PM  

@45 JAMES
Missed that "Goy, Bye!" headline, did we?

Blogger seeingsights August 27, 2017 8:16 PM  

@43
'Street rallies can serve a purpose. Particularly in regards to building or solidifying your own movement.'

Care to give any examples? I can't think of any.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:17 PM  

David Duke doesn't need to.

Ever listened to his podcast? The man is an embarrassing loser who poisons everything he has touched over the course of decades.

Asking him nicely not to come really shouldn't have been hard.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 8:18 PM  

47. seeingsights

Um, Nixon was re-elected in 1972 with about 60 percent of the vote and won 49 out of 50 states.

And a Republican getting elected in 1972 meant what in the long term?

How on earth do you see this as a victory when it resulted in less than nothing?

Is that the point of all this to you?

Getting Republicans elected?

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:19 PM  

Yup you sure showed me.

We'd better spend the next three decades ranting about Jews controlling everything and how Hitler did nothing wrong.

Finally a recipe for success!

How could I have been so blind!

Anonymous Bad Attitude August 27, 2017 8:22 PM  

Think of street rallies as political theater designed to attract the attention of the media, and maybe local politicians. If the media doesn't show up, the rally might as well have not happened. If the communist thugs show up, the media will show up to report that the right are the provocateurs.

Different strategies are required. We aren't going to free-speech or vote our way out of it.


Blogger seeingsights August 27, 2017 8:22 PM  

Now I think I understand Vox Day's frustration (correct word?) with Alt Retards. Alt Retards get themselves into trouble and hurt the populist/nationalist cause.

Alt Retards also don't get it. Some of them support the European Union! My God, opposition to supra-national government is a core tenet of the Alt Right.

Blogger tz August 27, 2017 8:23 PM  

But if you defend yourself, you will be charged with a felony. Some thug with a flamethrower is praised. In an ACLU tweet, they seem blind to the flamethrower, but not to the guy that shot a gun at the ground when the napalm guy was trying to attack people - both are clear on the video they released, but the left sees only what it wants.

Have lawyers available if you are going to try it. And bail arranged for.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 8:23 PM  

49. seeingsights

Care to give any examples? I can't think of any.

1917 Russia. Mass demonstrations led to the overthrow of the Russian Czar.

There are others.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:24 PM  

EDL in the UK plus numerous other examples from around Europe.

Reclaim Australia did well raising awareness here in Australia and arguably led to a cultural shift in how Islam could be talked about.

You have to be organised though and that is hard.

In the english speaking world you also have to have the will to tell larpers to go to leave or lose teeth.

Blogger Owen August 27, 2017 8:24 PM  

I call BS on this. There was no such sign in 1970 or probably any other time.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 8:27 PM  

@47 seeingsights

"Um, Nixon was re-elected in 1972 with about 60 percent of the vote and won 49 out of 50 states"

Um, what happened in 1973-74? With the enthusiastic backing of the (((media))) and the deep state? Elections aren't always the final word.

Blogger Owen August 27, 2017 8:29 PM  

Montana, N or S Dakota, Idaho, Oregon, Maine, Utah, n Mexico, Washington. Forget any southern state if you don't want dindus around.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:31 PM  

Civil rights movement in the south As well.

It's not that street demos have no useful purpose, it's just that the purpose isn't always what it appears.

A big part of why so many larpers went to Cville was to promote and also try and normalise Nazi imagery and anti-jew monomania.

From that perspective it could be seen as a qualified success. They've made such symbols and views more prominent than before. That was the biggest pro-nazi gathering since Hammerfest DC over a decade ago.

For everyone else on the right it was a disaster that helped to legitimise leftist violence.

Hence the confusion and childish whining about betrayal feom TRS.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 8:32 PM  

"ranting about Jews controlling everything"

They obviously don't control everything, but they do control a lot, and "Is it good for the Jews?" is the only standard of right and wrong which dictates how they use their influence.

"and how Hitler did nothing wrong"

Hitler did plenty wrong. Like the Jews, the Nazis were hyper-ethnocentric. The Nazis had as much respect for the well being of Poles as Jews have for the well being of Americans.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 8:33 PM  

Nixon's dead. So are a lot of his voters.
LOL

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 8:35 PM  

@50 JAMES
"David Duke doesn't need to"

So you admit that you were lying? Or mistaken? That's progress, I guess.

@55 tz
"But if you defend yourself, you will be charged with a felony. Some thug with a flamethrower is praised"

Note also that both flamethrower man, and his BLM comrade, are wearing masks. Doing so in public (even without wielding a flamethrower) is a class 6 felony in Virginia. How many antifags were arrested for violating this law again?

"1917 Russia. Mass demonstrations led to the overthrow of the Russian Czar"

Are you referring to the initial revolution, or to the Bolshevik coup?

Anonymous Panzer Man August 27, 2017 8:37 PM  

JAMES wrote:Civil rights movement in the south As well.

It's not that street demos have no useful purpose, it's just that the purpose isn't always what it appears.

A big part of why so many larpers went to Cville was to promote and also try and normalise Nazi imagery and anti-jew monomania.

From that perspective it could be seen as a qualified success. They've made such symbols and views more prominent than before. That was the biggest pro-nazi gathering since Hammerfest DC over a decade ago.

For everyone else on the right it was a disaster that helped to legitimise leftist violence.

Hence the confusion and childish whining about betrayal feom TRS.



Where are these fantasy Larpers you're talking about? You're imagining this as a uniformed SA rally. It wasn't. There were extremely few people in Nazi rig there, possibly as few as one.

What, are you believing the MSM shrieking over actual photographs and videos now?

Anonymous Panzer Man August 27, 2017 8:39 PM  

Addendum: I don't think that rallies do anything, either, other than give the other side fuel. But the idea that this was a uniformed Brownshirt rally with Swastika flags all over is simply so bizarre that it's hallucinatory.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2017 8:39 PM  

In other news, apparently the Juggalos want into the Alt-Left so they can get some of that sweet Nazi-punching action. I'm not sure what a Juggalo is; something to do with love of clowns and fear of magnets, I think. (Or maybe fear of clowns and love of magnets? No wait, that's me.) Anyway, they want a piece, and now the channers are trying to decide whether it's worth infiltrating or screwing with them.

This timeline just keeps getting better.

Anonymous Avalanche August 27, 2017 8:41 PM  

@58 I call BS on this. There was no such sign in 1970 or probably any other time.

Forsyth County, GA -- and just WHERE do you think the term "sundown country" CAME from!?

"Forsyth County, Georgia, January 24th, 1987: The day we marched for freedom and won"
https://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2017/01/24/forsyth-georgia-january-24th-1987-the-day-we-marched-for-freedom-and-won/
...
Thirty years ago today about 20,000 people marched on the tiny town of Cumming, Georgia and changed the world in an afternoon.
...
Forsyth County is just outside of Atlanta, and like many places across the country (including here in Oregon) was known to have a "sundown laws." Sundown laws were informal but strictly adhered to. Everyone knew what they meant: if you were not white you needed to be out of the county before sundown or risk your life.

Video of Oprah IN Forsyth county about it.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 8:42 PM  

64. Francis Parker Yockey

Are you referring to the initial revolution, or to the Bolshevik coup?

The initial overthrow of the Czar in March (Feb old calendar), not Kerensky's government.

Anonymous Korbin Ransley August 27, 2017 8:42 PM  

@4 @6 Noted. 8^)

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 8:43 PM  

"EDL in the UK plus numerous other examples from around Europe."

The EDL marching around with Israeli flags is just as non-nonsensical as Unite the Right attendees carrying swatika flags.

In each case, alleged nationalists are brandishing the hyper-ethnocentric symbols of someone else's nation! In each case, they fail to be nationalist, while successfully being evil!

In the case of Unite the Right, they at least have the excuse that some of those brandishing Nazi symbols may have been provocateurs.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:45 PM  

My lying eyes?

One guy with a flag and David Duke is enough. That's literally all they need to convince the mass of the population.

The larpers are the Stormer fans, the guys who showed up with really subtle "bundles of sticks" on their shields, the ten or so young guys on camera at the torch rally enthusiastically Sig Heiling, the idiots like Azmador who apparently started the "jews will not replace us" chant, the idiot who showed up with a Hitler quote t-shirt etc etc...

Plus the fact that nobody in the rest of the crowd objected to any of this as far as I can see. Everyone sagely whispering to each other about "not punching right" as you marched over the cliff of idiocy.

Anonymous johnc August 27, 2017 8:46 PM  

This pretty much sums up the Two Americas in one pic:

https://i.redd.it/1soju9qcfdiz.png

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 8:48 PM  

@65 Panzer Man
"Where are these fantasy Larpers you're talking about? You're imagining this as a uniformed SA rally. It wasn't"

Of course. But for some reason, James feels compelled to support the (((media))) narrative by hysterically screeching about "muh ebil not-sees!"

And strangely enough, he shares the same complete lack of curiosity about brand new swastika flag man's identity that the legacy media and antifags have demonstrated. I mean here was an honest-to-goodness, real-life, flag-waving not-see, who was obviously an alt right leader. Yet somehow, while many others were doxxed as a result of their participation in the rally, no one seems to care who the Head Not-see was. That's... interesting.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:49 PM  

EDL for all its faults helped to radicalise a lot of working class white males on the issue of Islam. Also showed that outside of London the activist left can be outnumbered, outorganised and defeated on streets they always assumed were theirs by right.

If that's all that came out of it it's still a positive.

Anonymous Avalanche August 27, 2017 8:50 PM  

@65 I posted a pic of the "nazi" at CVille -- at TWO leftie gatherings...

https://gab.ai/Avalanche

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 8:52 PM  

@67 Cail Corishev
In other news, apparently the Juggalos want into the Alt-Left so they can get some of that sweet Nazi-punching action. I'm not sure what a Juggalo is; something to do with love of clowns and fear of magnets, I think.

Is this it?
https://infogalactic.com/info/Juggalo


Because Sept. 16 should be an interesting day in Washington, DC.

The National Park Service is preparing for one of its busiest days of the year in the nation’s capital next month — a fall day when more than 30 events are expected to coincide, including a pro-Trump rally and a demonstration of Insane Clown Posse fans who have dubbed themselves Juggalos.

Blogger Quilp August 27, 2017 8:53 PM  

I'm so very tired of seeing these people bloodied, beaten, and surprised by it as well. They aren't Gandhi, and their Constitution wont stop ANTIFA. You aren't a martyr to anyone, or any cause. They are walking into enemy territory and expecting to be treated with all the courtesy they would treat other Americans. And that's exactly why I don't feel sorry for them, they still don't understand the left will offer them no quarter. All their blood is good for is a recruiting tool for ANTIFA. State sanctioned violence against those They've been taught to hate. The best part is they parade right like ducks in a shooting arcade, and the cops go have a crawler and coffee while you lay the boots to them.

Anonymous Antifag August 27, 2017 8:54 PM  

Barely any pro-Trump people showed up, most thought the event had been canceled.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:54 PM  

Brand new swastika man looks one hell of a lot like a plant.

But none of you did anything to confront him did you?

TDS even reported that David Duke thought it was a bad look, but no-one confronted him did they?

I want to say that if you guys want to keep losing be my guest, but being such a culturally dominant nation your shit really does leak out to the rest of us English speakers. Statues of whites are now being vandalised in Sydney because of your tone deaf blatant stupidity.

Then again you're supporting inviting David Duke to an event, so maybe I shouldn't expect too much from you.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 8:55 PM  

74. Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 8:48 PM

no one seems to care who the Head Not-see was.

Their lack of curiosity is indeed interesting, but when all is said and done, it really doesn't matter because they can repeat that at will. They sent fake Nazis into Tea Party rallies, and they will do the same thing with any Alt-Right demonstration, or they will simply manufacture the evidence.

We can't stop them from doing this.

"We don't care" is the best policy. I heard that somewhere.

Anonymous johnc August 27, 2017 8:56 PM  

Ok now... this is actually pretty hilarious:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-told-john-kelly-to-bring-me-some-tariffs-report/article/2632708

Blogger Salt August 27, 2017 8:59 PM  

Unconfirmed report Antifa has surrounded the Berkley PD station in large numbers.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 8:59 PM  

Getting beat up worked for Ghandi and MLK because they had sympathetic media to report it.

The optics of black masked scum attacking American flags is a good tactic, but I still can't believe people complaining that the police aren't protecting political dissidents from the privileged children of the establishment.

Hopefully a few more events like this helps to shake off a bit of that attitude.

Blogger Shiro Akatsuki August 27, 2017 9:00 PM  

Anonymous 71 "The EDL marching around with Israeli flags is just as non-nonsensical as Unite the Right attendees carrying swatika flags."

The EDL was an anti-islamist single issue movement. Supporting Israel in comparison to genocidal anti-Jewish Islamists was reasonable in my opinion.


In a somewhat unrelated note anyone attempting to do a better job running an Alt Right rally would be wise to follow Tommy Robinson's leadership of the EDL as an example. It was incredibly good optics for Tommy to threaten to assault his own rally attendees for doing a nazi salute. Nazi symbols and gestures do not belong in British or American nationalistic movements. If Richard Spencer wants to rehabilitate himself a bit, having a rally where he openly takes a hard stance against Alt-Retard types would be a smart decision.

Blogger Lazarus August 27, 2017 9:00 PM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:It seems that they intend to provoke a physical response from the Right, so that they can characterize it as "hate" and "terrorism," while shouting down/ suppressing any alternative narrative.

Funny, that does not seem to intimidate the Muslims from going apeshit.

And they seem to be doing ok.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 9:04 PM  

@72 JAMES
"The larpers are the Stormer fans, the guys who showed up with really subtle "bundles of sticks" on their shields"

Better knock down the Lincoln Memorial, then, if you're so rabidly "anti-fasces." What are his hands resting on again?

https://tfetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lincoln-memorial-826990_960_720.jpg

@73 johnc
"This pretty much sums up the Two Americas in one pic"

You mean one America protects their own first, cooperating to attack any members of other groups, while the other America engages in unthinking altruism toward members of other groups, treating them the same, if not better than, members of their own group? Gosh, I wonder how that would work out if you modeled it in some sort of simulation, with large numbers of these groups living in close proximity to one another?

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 9:08 PM  

Exactly. The EDL had a purpose, mobilised a base and while not changing the ball game at least achieved some of its objectives.

"But Israeli flags! Muh jewish conspiracy!" Means many people will remain oblivious to this.

EDL also never complained like little bitches when beaten up or treated unfairly by the police. Being made up of actual working class males with a core from football firms as opposed to spergy computer nerds helped there.

As for Spencer denouncing larpers, he can't he doesn't have the balls and is afraid he'd lose half his base.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 9:10 PM  

Here's more info on the sudden flurry of filings by the Podesta group.

The Podesta Group belatedly filed several new disclosures with the Justice Department on Aug. 17 related to work the firm completed between 2012 and 2014 on behalf of a pro-Russia Ukrainian think tank.

Mueller flipping over some flat rocks ?

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 9:12 PM  

89. JAMES

As for Spencer denouncing larpers, he can't he doesn't have the balls

What is it with conservatives who just drool at the idea of denouncing someone when the left snaps its fingers?

It takes a lot more courage to NOT join in the dogpile.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 9:23 PM  

Tommy Robinson may have been wise to shutdown Nazi symbolism at his rallies, but he was an explicit anti-nationalist who opposed English nationalism. He was in favor of unlimited non-Muslim immigration into Britain, and he furiously attacked the BNP, which is essentially the only British Party which continues the legacy of Enoch Powell by advocating for immigration restriction and a non-interventionist foreign policy. The BNP are the British equivalent of Pat Buchanan and Tommy Robinson, who is the British equivalent of the neocons, relentlessly attacked them.

If you want an example of how to do a rally right, look at the League of the South. They successfully kept away the provocateurs at their rallies by banning non-authorized political symbols.

Blogger Shiro Akatsuki August 27, 2017 9:23 PM  

Spencer doesn't have to denounce the larpers. He just has to keep them from dressing up in KKK outfits or bringing Nazi flags to his rallies. Larping as a Clansman or Nazi is the equivalent of showing up in a chicken suit. Telling the Alt-Retards not to dance in front of cameras like idiots is not punching right.

Blogger Salt August 27, 2017 9:25 PM  

"No Trump, no wall, no USA at all" - Antifa chant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ech9BYFE4k4

Anonymous johnc August 27, 2017 9:26 PM  

I'm interested in people's opinions:

In the past year, would you say that Antifa / Black Bloc has gotten stronger or weaker?

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 9:31 PM  

95. johnc

In the past year, would you say that Antifa / Black Bloc has gotten stronger or weaker?

Stronger as a street presence and better financed obviously, but I think they have alienated a lot of Americans watching. Not sure what how they are tracking with minorities in particular, but my impression is that they are more supported now by minorities as they show a stronger street presence.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2017 9:31 PM  

"No Trump, no wall, no USA at all" - Antifa chant

When your enemies are shooting themselves in the foot that effectively, stay out of their way.

Mueller flipping over some flat rocks ?

Maybe Mueller, maybe the FBI going through Awan's data. In any case, this is why Podesta advised the campaign to push the Trump-Russia narrative in the first place: to try to get ahead of their own Russian corruption. It's also why the MSM started backing away from the Russia narrative a few weeks ago, which happened well before the Nazi narrative replaced it.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 9:31 PM  

In America? Stronger.

It's interesting that so many of its members now seem to be basic bitch college students who actually get a bit confused if you point out that they're waving a flag with Communist symbology on it.

"No it's not a Communist flag! It's an antifa flag" is a depressingly common online refrain.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 9:34 PM  

"The BNP are the British equivalent of Pat Buchanan"

That's hilarious.

Nick Griffin got one shot to make it big when they let him on Question Time. He used it to try and justify his past holocaust denial (poorly).

Jew-obsessives are the reason we fail.

And they never seem to realise it.

Blogger Phat Repat August 27, 2017 9:35 PM  

Police -- Overrated

It's the $IMFS stupid. A system on life support, and the cord is taut. Guess it's going to be Trump to accidentally trip over the cord. If so, he would far exceed my expectations. And his title as GE would be well deserved indeed.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 9:36 PM  

"They sent fake Nazis into Tea Party rallies, and they will do the same thing with any Alt-Right demonstration, or they will simply manufacture the evidence.

We can't stop them from doing this.

"We don't care" is the best policy. I heard that somewhere"

Exactly. But the virtue-signaling instinct is too strong in some, apparently.

@76 Avalanche
"@65 I posted a pic of the "nazi" at CVille -- at TWO leftie gatherings"

Interesting. From a /pol/thread?

"The EDL marching around with Israeli flags is just as non-nonsensical as Unite the Right attendees carrying swatika flags.

In each case, alleged nationalists are brandishing the hyper-ethnocentric symbols of someone else's nation!"

Great analogy. "Muh Greatest Ally!" signaling is one of the marks of the cuck-- or of controlled opposition.

"Funny, that does not seem to intimidate the Muslims from going apeshit.

And they seem to be doing ok"

Perhaps because the media, and the criminal justice system, treat ethnically-conscious non-White groups, including Muslims, in a vastly different manner from the way in which any sort of White group that is even implicitly identititarian is treated? Ever heard of Rotherham? Have you ever seen the term "anti-White hatred" appear in the legacy media? How about "racism," or "xenophobia," or "Islamophobia?" How about "his motive is not clear," or "mentally ill," or "workplace violence?" Is anyone in the (((media))) concerned about "backlash" against Whites in the wake of C-ville? Why not?

@82 johnc
"Ok now... this is actually pretty hilarious"

Hilarious, indeed. But heartwarming, too.

"The optics of black masked scum attacking American flags is a good tactic"

This is one of the best pieces of visual propaganda I've ever seen. The story is meh. But the photos...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4349390/Violence-breaks-pro-Trump-rally-California.html

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable August 27, 2017 9:42 PM  

One of my pet peeves of our current Law & Disorder is how publicly employed law enforcement officers with total authority aren't legally responsible for protecting the public, but unarmed private security officers with zero authority actually are.

Case out of a Florida mall that went to the SCOTUS, about a young pregnant couple that wasn't warned about the possibility of gang fights, and a miscarriage was caused.

So very clever of our masters to use our love of life to trick us into turning the screws on the working class, while the municipal socialist cops we hired to protect criminals from our much harsher justice, just protect them from any justice at all.

Blogger Lazarus August 27, 2017 9:44 PM  

What I want to know is, how does Colin Kaepernick feel about all this?

Blogger Nate August 27, 2017 9:44 PM  

there is a media blackout on this riot... but infogalactic news is covering the hell out of it.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 9:47 PM  

104. Nate August 27, 2017 9:44 PM

there is a media blackout on this riot...

Maybe we should have sent someone with a Nazi flag and guarantee it being covered?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 9:47 PM  

"Nick Griffin got one shot to make it big when they let him on Question Time. He used it to try and justify his past holocaust denial (poorly)"

Most unfortunate. How could he fail to realize that all goyim must worship the lampshades and the soap in the current year? Heresy, indeed. Apostasy, even.

Anonymous JAMES August 27, 2017 9:51 PM  

Mate look up the footage. He fucked it.

Jew-obsessives seem convinced that If they can just open the sheeples eyes to the nefarious nature of the Juden all the other dominoes will fall in place.

It's pathetic really.

Blogger Lazarus August 27, 2017 9:55 PM  

"No Trump, No Wall, No USA at all!"

Excellent chant that can be embraced by Antifa as a prescription, and by The Alt-Right as a warning to the normies.

Thanks, morons.

Blogger lowercaseb August 27, 2017 9:56 PM  

these motherfuckers. I apologize for the language but I have no polite words that describe this. this is one of the worst fears a father or a son can face.

https://twitter.com/realTEN_GOP/status/901929194711592960

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 27, 2017 9:57 PM  

@107 JAMES

Perhaps if he had waved an Israeli flag while groveling, and swearing eternal fealty to the Tribe? That might have convinced the cucks.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 9:58 PM  

If you ignore reality, any victories you win will be fruitless or counter-productive.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 27, 2017 10:08 PM  

For all the praises of the EDL in the UK-Okrug of the EUSSR (they still are not out of the giant open-air gulag for YT) around here, they accomplished exactly what??

Musloids are still raping and prostituting white children with the aid of government, police and (((media))). Musloids still being imported daily. They accomplished almost as much as the Gay Old Pedos did in the Fake Banana Empire.

Blogger Owen August 27, 2017 10:18 PM  

I'm aware of what sundown laws were. Most in the Midwest not the south. you presented no evidence of the apocryphal sign; you are bullshitting.

Blogger Buybuydandavis August 27, 2017 10:18 PM  

Stand down order by Mayor could arguably be prosecuted under surviving provisions of the Klu Klux Klan Acts

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983

42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights

Anonymous Occasional interlocuter August 27, 2017 10:19 PM  

Just read some of Hunter Wallace's tweets after C'ville. League of the South was there, and I don't think it was to their credit. They also had Duke to speak at one of their events which struck me as rather ridiculous. Unfortunately they aren't able or willing to dismiss the fuhrer fetishists from their ranks.

I had rather high hopes for the league when I first encountered them, but said hopes have rapidly dwindled since then.

Blogger Buybuydandavis August 27, 2017 10:22 PM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) wrote:the only problem i have with the term "Alt Left" is that there is no "Alt" about it.


That's why I prefer Ctrl-Left

Anonymous Sharrukin August 27, 2017 10:26 PM  

115. Occasional interlocuter

League of the South was there, and I don't think it was to their credit.

So is there anyone who is pure enough to meet your standards?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents August 27, 2017 10:28 PM  

Another report on Berkeley from FoxNews.com

The group of more than 100 hooded protesters, with shields emblazoned with the words “no hate” and waving a flag identifying themselves as anarchists, busted through police lines, avoiding security checks by officers to take away possible weapons.

Berkeley police chief Andrew Greenwood defended how police handled the protest, saying they made a strategic decision to let the anarchists enter to avoid more violence.

Greenwood said to The Associated Press: “the potential use of force became very problematic” given the thousands of peaceful protesters in the park. Once anarchists arrived, it was clear there would not be dueling protests between left and right so he ordered his officers out of the park and allowed the anarchists to march in.

There was “no need for a confrontation over a grass patch,” Greenwood said


Free speech rallies have become magnetic to belligerent Commies. Adjust accordingly.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 27, 2017 10:29 PM  

@73 - Hate to burst your bubble, but dread man was actually covering that guy to protect him from the masked fags who were beating on him.

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/901935287521050624

The police have ZERO responsibility to protect you. None. This is settled case law. Never, ever, count on police protection from anything.

Every time I've pointed this out, I get "But that's their JOB!" To the credit of most, a quick link to Warren v. District of Columbia usually removes the scales from their eyes (though their hearts may not be disabused of some silly notions about their local monopoly of force).

Blogger Lazarus August 27, 2017 10:34 PM  

Where are the Soccer Moms for Trump when you need them?

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 27, 2017 10:44 PM  

johnc wrote:I'm interested in people's opinions:

In the past year, would you say that Antifa / Black Bloc has gotten stronger or weaker?


Stronger. The left enjoys a huge advantage in the streets, and that advantage will grow for some time.

That being said, these guys have the same pathologies you find in the Nazis..marginal personalities, informants, drug addicts etc etc. They are just better funded and enjoy the patronage of the institutions. They will do plenty of damage to their own case. We need to continue waging an unrelenting meme war against them and slowly rebuild our own street capacity.

Blogger Lazarus August 27, 2017 10:52 PM  

Where are the organizing points for Antifa? Why can they not be ambushed BEFORE they get to the demonstration?

Anonymous Frank Brady August 27, 2017 10:55 PM  

Perhaps it's time to stop bringing peaceful street demonstrations to a violent Communist revolution.

Blogger Rodger James August 27, 2017 11:03 PM  

VD "Let them? What are you going to do to stop them? Cry."

So your idea is now hopelessness or am I reading you wrong? I guess from a Christian perspective there is no need for a fight because this has all been foretold.

Post 97 "When your enemies are shooting themselves in the foot that effectively, stay out of their way."

When the media is on their side they can't shoot themselves in the foot. The media distorts the narrative to their liking.

Blogger Thucydides August 27, 2017 11:04 PM  

Some possible ideas to turn the narrative around.

1. Start making replicas of the various monuments in concrete (or even Plaster of Paris) and raise them in the middle of the night. "Flash statutes", especially if there are hundreds of them all over the place will rapidly cause lefties to have an stroke.

2. Surround known hotbeds of anti Americanism with hundreds of American flags. At University gates place large "Checkpoint Charlie" type signs stating "You are now leaving the American Zone". This will be effective if done the night before parents start bringing their kids to University (that WTF? moment)

3. Social media is converged, and even using social media can backfire. The Egyptian police used this technique against Muslim Brotherhood rioters protesting the overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood government: they would infiltrate a social media group and "suggest" a safe route to the demonstrations. Guess who was waiting along the way? If you are going to use "flashmob" techniques. be aware of this tactic.

4. Calling fake flashmob and demonstrations can be effective, since the communist Antifa mobs will show up and begin destroying things anyway. Media either has to cover this, or try to hide it (and people will be passing the information on by word of mouth, so it won't be hidden). Anita's backers and organizers may be flushed out this way, as angry people demand restitution (make sure you do this in heavily Democrat areas), or at least be forced to scale back support to Antifa as they waste resources on "cry wolf" non demonstrations.

I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas out there....

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 27, 2017 11:15 PM  

32. seeingsights August 27, 2017 7:50 PM
Let the god-emperor do what Richard Nixon did: pursue actions that riled up the Left, which got the rest the America against the Left.



Nixon imposed wage and price controls, took the US off of the last vestige of the gold standard and is the one who off shored US manufacturing to China.

why do you think having an (R) after your name means you're Right?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 27, 2017 11:19 PM  

We have some great videos of Antifa shouting explicitly anti-American slogans and attacking innocent people. There's more immediate gratification in a win at the physical level, but this is a moral victory. We needed this.

Blogger Frank Brady August 27, 2017 11:24 PM  

Do you good folks really not understand that these thugs intend to take everything you have, kill you, and enslave your children? It's time to take the bastards out.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 27, 2017 11:28 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Where are the organizing points for Antifa? Why can they not be ambushed BEFORE they get to the demonstration?

You arent going to beat the left in the streets. Its not because antifa is so tough..they arent. They have the support of a very wealthy and highly experienced actovist network and they enjoy the patronage of the powerful. As such, the public is tolerant of their violence and they pay no real social price for for it.

Our rallies need to be carefully planned in areas where we can be assured of the proper protection, and we need to be prepared to defend them. But taking the offense is not an option that will work for us.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 11:32 PM  

@128 Frank Brady

Do you good folks really not understand that these thugs intend to take everything you have, kill you, and enslave your children? It's time to take the bastards out.

What do you suggest ?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 27, 2017 11:34 PM  

@130 Starbucks? Maybe some vegan ice cream?

Blogger ZhukovG August 27, 2017 11:36 PM  

It appears that Berkeley will be a moral win for the American Nationalists. Even Rod 'Cuck of all Cucks' Dreher is saying The Left hurt themselves.

It helps when Nazi symbolism, like torch parades and anti-Jewish chants are conspicuous by their absence.

It would still be better to hold rallies in friendlier territory, we don't want anyone on our side getting hurt if it can be helped.

Blogger Robert Browning August 27, 2017 11:46 PM  

I don't see how the continued antifa attacks and lack of police response in Democrat places does not help Trump come November. The Democrats are going to get punished for antifa's misconduct.

Anonymous Ages August 27, 2017 11:46 PM  

That's the key. European nationalists do not tolerate Nazi symbols or flags of any country but their own. The Alt Right needs to start punching Nazis if there is any hope for the movement. Zero tolerance. It does no good.

Anonymous Korbin Ransley August 27, 2017 11:46 PM  

@72 Look at some of the stuff the lefties, their scholars, and their base say and do. Look at the beliefs that would cause scorn and derision if they were articulated by someone who was K Selected. The double standards in the U.S. have been apparent, noted, and a little irksome have they not?

Larpers, Agents, or whatever they might be. The lack of response to them you describe reminds me of lefties and R types spouting off any kind of thing without criticism or comment.

The Overton Window is being pushed and whites are behaving more and more like an identity group. Like a tribe. And they appear to be increasingly treated as such. Some of Jared Taylors interviews and videos come to mind.

I hope westerners around the world secure freedom, and prosperity in homogeneous, sovereign nations for themselves, and their posterity.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2017 11:48 PM  

The normie being beaten by the Antifa crowd was rescued by a deadlocked Black guy.

I've noticed something. Blacks have honer. Muslims have honer.

Jews, on the other hand, hide behind black masks, only attack when they have a 20:1 numerical advantage, kick you when you are down, and routinely hurl their own shit and piss at gentiles. Israeli Jews seem to be more civilized. They only spit on Christians in Jerusalem, they don't throw shit and piss on them.

Blogger Frank Brady August 27, 2017 11:53 PM  

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Anonymous Frank Brady August 27, 2017 11:57 PM  

30. A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2017 11:32 PM
"@128 Frank Brady

"Do you good folks really not understand that these thugs intend to take everything you have, kill you, and enslave your children? It's time to take the bastards out.

"What do you suggest ?"

This isn't hard. Execute the treasonous bastards, starting with the leadership. The penalty for treason is still death.

Anonymous Ages August 27, 2017 11:58 PM  

Because Nazi imagery is universally considered toxic. It is not part of our ideology, anyway.

When you have tons of people open to an Alt Right message, why would you alienate them by throwing swastikas around?

I have many people at my work and in my family who could easily join the AR as Vox describes it, but they will not accept Nazism. And why should they? It has nothing to do with the AR.

Being edgy is not worth losing.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 28, 2017 12:01 AM  

134. Ages

The Alt Right needs to start punching Nazis if there is any hope for the movement.

White nationalism is the point. If you position yourself on the left and attack those fighting for whites you might as well as join Antifa. White nationalism is the Nazi movement for the media and nothing you do is going to change that.

People are going to support those who fight for the white community. If that isn't you then they will find someone else.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 28, 2017 12:01 AM  

@ 138 "Frank Brady"
This isn't hard. Execute the treasonous bastards, starting with the leadership. The penalty for treason is still death.

You're asking people to conspire with you to commit a crime of violence?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 28, 2017 12:02 AM  

We need to offer people hope and a compelling vision of the future. Nazi flags, the battle flag, and probably even Old Glory aren't going to cut it. Too much history of failure associated with each one.

Blogger ZhukovG August 28, 2017 12:07 AM  

@Frank Brady: Frank, why are you talking like a not very skilled FBI agent?

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 12:09 AM  

@ 141 said, "You're asking people to conspire with you to commit a crime of violence?"

No, I"m asking people to wake up, organize themselves, and exercise their constitutional right to self defense. That is NOT a crime of violence.

As a first step, to observe the requisite legal niceties, the people must demand the current authorities do their duty and prosecute the Coup plotters for treason and subject them to the most severe penalties available by law. Should that petition fail, is it not clear that the only difference between war and a massacre is that in war the intended victims fight back?

Blogger ZhukovG August 28, 2017 12:15 AM  

@Noah B The Savage Gardener: Old Glory is OK, she just needs help. Have other supporting flags with her. The Gadsden flag. The New England flag, where appropriate. Anything that supports American Nationalism. For Southerners use your state flag(Georgia's is particularly good).

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 12:17 AM  

@ 143. ZhukovG August 28, 2017 12:07 AM said, "Frank Brady: Frank, why are you talking like a not very skilled FBI agent?"

I don't know how FBI agents talk (skilled or unskilled). I do know that while the good people of America are trying to decide if they are in danger, the people who intend to do them harm are locked and loaded. The time for political theorizing is over. We either act or die.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2017 12:18 AM  

Frank Brady wrote:This isn't hard. Execute the treasonous the bastards, starting with the leadership. The penalty for treason is still death.
Odd of retard vs agent provocateur?
I'd say 90% chance this guys a retard, 10% he's a government plant.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 28, 2017 12:21 AM  

98% drunk retard. Most of us have probably been there.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 28, 2017 12:26 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Odd of retard vs agent provocateur?
I'd say 90% chance this guys a retard, 10% he's a government plant.

He's been an anti-Trump concern troll for the past year, and a dishonest one too (Cail caught him lying about his past statements a week or so ago). FB isn't a retard.

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 12:26 AM  

@147 @148.

OK boys, I tried. By all means, just keep wallowing in your own brilliance. Hope you survive the camps.

Frank

Anonymous johnc August 28, 2017 12:28 AM  

@119 Hate to burst your bubble, but dread man was actually covering that guy to protect him from the masked fags who were beating on him.

The text beside the arrow clearly points that out. Maybe the meme was a little bit too jumbled but I think the gist is that in one part of America people were helping each other out regardless of politics, and at the same time in another part of America people were beating the hell out of others because of their political beliefs.

There are, in a sense, two Americas. We are either going to have a divorce, a civil war, or one side is going to come to see things the way the other side does and we'll have unity again. But right now the chasm is very deep.

Anonymous johnc August 28, 2017 12:34 AM  

I think that normies will be put off by Antifa tactics but don't forget that you don't need majority support for a revolution.

When push really comes to shove, people will side with the strong group just for their own sake.

All of these "free speech rallies" have only made Antifa stronger. So stop doing them.

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 12:35 AM  

@149 LurkingPuppy You're a pathetic damned liar and not a very good one. I haven't lied about anything and you certainly didn't catch me lying. If anyone cares to check out my numerous posts supporting Trump since the very beginning of his campaign at http://gatetoliberty.blogspot.com (including the current one), nothing more need be said.

Vox does a great job of promoting discussion here. I do believe he is a bit generous in his continued unqualified support for the President, but I understand his view and hope he is correct.

Anonymous Mike Rock August 28, 2017 12:38 AM  

2. Surround known hotbeds of anti Americanism with hundreds of American flags. At University gates place large "Checkpoint Charlie" type signs stating "You are now leaving the American Zone". This will be effective if done the night before parents start bringing their kids to University (that WTF? moment)


Damn!!! Bust a gut moment there...... wonderful idea, esp. here at the Univ. of Wis, Madison.... known as Berkeley East during the VN war.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 28, 2017 12:38 AM  

@152 If Antifa violently revolts, they will hand us a perfect confluence of physical and moral victory.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2017 12:44 AM  

Frank Brady wrote:I haven't lied about anything and you certainly didn't catch me lying.
Yes, yes he did. I was there, sweetcheeks. You were lying, we all knew you were lying, and Puppy actually went to the trouble of looking up your previous comments.
We don't care what lies you were telling on another site. You were here, lying your retard ass off.

Blogger Frank Brady August 28, 2017 12:49 AM  

@156. Snidely Whiplash: Well Snidely, you're aptly named but I see you haven't gotten any smarter since our last exchange. Put aside your grade-school banter and identify my "lie".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2017 12:54 AM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2017 12:56 AM  

"I've been a Trump supporter forever, but after {insert current anti-Trump news item}, I'm giving up on him!"
Repeated several times over the campaign and early months of the administration.
That is an assertion you can only make once, not 4 times.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 28, 2017 1:07 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Yes, yes he did. I was there, sweetcheeks. You were lying, we all knew you were lying, and Puppy actually went to the trouble of looking up your previous comments.
No. As I said, Cail Corishev is the one who caught him lying.

Blogger BunE22 August 28, 2017 1:07 AM  

I don't know if these upcoming Antifa events are real, I saw the links on /pol/

https://archive.is/joQhp

https://m.imgur.com/t/current_events/CRKbW (top pic)

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 1:13 AM  

My apologies to the rest of you. I mistook Snidely and his posse for grown ups. It won't happen again.

The fact of the matter is that I have supported the President from the beginning of his campaign. Like many who voted for him, I've been disappointed in some of his actions that were the opposite of his campaign promises and said so. I never said I was "giving up on him", not four times or even once. I don't know and frankly don't care why these folks reacted so extremely to my comments. I'm done with them.

Anonymous JAMES August 28, 2017 1:32 AM  

No!

They should have invited David Duke and waved nazi flags.

Otherwise people might think they're not serious.

After all if people don't Sig Heil in the middle of their lounge rooms in front of grandma and her bridge club they're clearly cucks.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2017 1:36 AM  

Because you're a freaking failure, Nancy.

Take your discouragement porn and pester someone else with it, there's no market for it here. Every time you second-guess the God Emperor, the stench of your heresy rises to obliterate whatever good qualities you might once have had.
No-one likes you, no-one believes you, no-one gives a scintilla of a damn what you "think", no-one thinks you're clever, smart or moral when you come over here and start with your pre-pubescent effeminate whining about how disappoint you are in the best damn president we've had since Andy Jackson.
You're a useless pathetic loser, and we're tired of you. Go fap where nobody has to watch.

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 1:36 AM  

Does Podesta's disclosure of dealings with Russia mean that "Russia-Gate" is going away? See https://tinyurl.com/y99jgthc.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2017 1:38 AM  

On the other hand, despite being brewed by Miller-Coors, Henry Weinhard's Blue Boar ale is a damn fine beer.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2017 1:53 AM  

@165-Russia-gate has been on the backburner for a while. It probably will pop its head out of the whole in various forms, but if it never returns that won't have anything to do with Pizzaboy. The world already had enough information on Hillary's dealings with the Bear to render Trump's six degrees of separation moot.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2017 2:10 AM  

@42-The left needs to awaken the ghost of Oklahoma City every once in a while. Clinton hilariously went after talk radio in the immediate aftermath. If that happened today, they might have pulled licenses and instituted SJW loyalty oaths.

The MSM assumes every single terror attack/mass murderer, directly related to politics or not, is a rightist until proven otherwise. (Or, if they're the gay nightclub shooter, a man possessed by the spirit of the right.) They're hunting for the Great White Terrorist, like a district attorney's Great White Defendant. Looking for one big "told ya so."

This Told Ya So is intended not merely to win the next election and shut the Trump Train down. Hopefully, it'll put them over the top on shutting down our speech and sending us to the reeducation centers. McCarthyize us, only moreso. (Of course, the left back then McCarthied anyone they could generate away with painting as fascists, or merely antiwar rightists, more than the right McCarthied commies. Though admittedly we were never technically at war with communism as such. I'm just using the common terminology.)

The left can't be violent as it wants to be. Witness BLMp. But it has miles and miles of slack. The right's slack is as thin as a razor's edge. Remember the congressional softball shooter? (Me neither.) One week MSM story at most. If that had been a white nationalist...whew. We might still have martial law.

Blogger szopen August 28, 2017 3:02 AM  

Re: alt-left: You do know that alt-left actually was a name devised by left-wing race-realist like RObert Lindsay some two years ago? In total something like 10k people seem to visit their web pages...

Anonymous Nick August 28, 2017 3:42 AM  

The first time I ever hear about these new "leaders" on the right is when they organize an event that gets smashed up by the left. Organizing a rally doesn't make you a leader, especially if you look like an inept loser doing it! Donald Trump won, no need to ape the left. The next stage is removing pseudo-Republican congressmen in elections. Save the street theatre as a last resort.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 28, 2017 3:50 AM  

The pseudo-Republicans are about a dozen guys in the House who solidly back Trump and Rand Paul.

It's the actual Republicans who are the problem.

Anonymous Panzer Man August 28, 2017 3:57 AM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:We need to offer people hope and a compelling vision of the future. Nazi flags, the battle flag, and probably even Old Glory aren't going to cut it. Too much history of failure associated with each one.

1. Nazi flag: agreed. But nobody shows up with those anyway, unless you count one or two guys.

2. Battle flag: I don't think anyone really cares. That's also its weak point, though. Normies don't have a reflexive aversion to it in most cases, it's too familiar and American, but they also don't have any emotional resonance with it.

3. Old Glory: I disagree with you there. The enemy knows it's a European nationalist symbol; they usually wouldn't be caught dead with it, preferring Soviet flags, Mexican flags, etc. Additionally, it's got a powerful momentum of history and legend behind it. You throw it away, you're throwing away the most potent national talisman your countrymen still have in favor of some made-up thing that nobody will care about.

Let Old Glory wave from every alt-right hand, I say.

Anonymous Nergol August 28, 2017 3:58 AM  

I made a conscious choice not to go to Berkeley during today's protests even though I literally drove right past it (as I do every Sunday on the way to and from church). Once again, the conservatives were "surprised" that the police in a deep-blue town in a blue state promised to protect them, and instead pushed them straight into the arms of antifa to get their skulls cracked. How many times has this happened exactly the same way? At least three or four. No matter how many times Lucy pulls away the football, these Charlie Browns keep making runs at it.

I know it's deeply ingrained in the conservative mindset to trust the authorities, especially the police. But I left conservatism because it wouldn't stop being "the stupid party". Stupid, and now crazy, under Einstein's definition of that term (doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result each time). So, yeah - you guys can go ahead and get some sense beaten into you the hard way if that's your thing, but I'd rather learn my lessons some easier way.

Anonymous Ages August 28, 2017 6:22 AM  

Sharrukin

Maybe they will when the white population is down to 25%, but no, most whites are not going to support Nazi larpers now, or for a long time.

They will support nationalists who march under the American flag. Nazism has nothing for most Americans.

Your argument is that the media is going to call us Nazis regardless, so we may as well be Nazis. That's stupid.

The Swastika is toxic and should never be seen. It is pointless and has nothing to do with our goals. White people are open to our message of nationalism, but not to Nazism. Why can't you parse the difference?

It's rather austistic to insist on symbolism that is not related to our movement and hurts our cause. That's why many of us suspect you Nazi supporters are shills.

Blogger Duh-ave August 28, 2017 7:05 AM  

Perhaps the Right could set up "No Bus Zones" to keep the goons away. The Toyota pick-up had much success in Africa. Just dreamin'.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2017 7:26 AM  

Street rallies serve no positive purpose, although they can be effectively used to demonstrate a) the politicization of the police as well as b) the violent lawlessness of the Alt-Left.

Xanatos gambit. The left doesn't do controlled responses.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2017 7:27 AM  

Any word of swastikas at this rally? This is the first I've heard about it and I want to know if the organizers learned.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2017 7:28 AM  

Also, is there more and better video than last time?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2017 7:30 AM  

johnc wrote:I'm interested in people's opinions:

In the past year, would you say that Antifa / Black Bloc has gotten stronger or weaker?



I expect a shorter attendance list, but more fanatical. "Strong" depends on what you're trying to do.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2017 7:31 AM  

Correction: longer attendance list, shorter mailing list. Moderates BTFO.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 28, 2017 8:10 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Any word of swastikas at this rally? This is the first I've heard about it and I want to know if the organizers learned.
The Commies were punching guys with cameras (see the Daily Mail article), so I would guess that they knew (((their masters))) weren't sending any (((Nazis))) to photobomb this rally.

Anonymous SanityClause August 28, 2017 8:39 AM  

One thing that can be done about this sort of thing, where police are called away from the action by the mayor is simple, place the mayor under citizens arrest for aiding and abetting, one charge for each crime committed after the order to not enforce the law, a violation of their oath of office, is given. They have committed a crime, let them do the time.

This can then be used in lawfare where you sue the mayor for all the damage done to businesses, people, cars, etc. Drive the liberal cities into bankruptcy until thee are none anymore.

Meanwhile, the liberals who have been hurt by the actions of other liberals are a fertile recruiting ground to become non-liberals.

Anonymous SanityClause August 28, 2017 9:03 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/27/anti-racist-protesters-claim-victory-cancellation-japanese-americans-sf-free-speech-rally/

Another tactic to use against Antifa, schedule a rally in a liberal area, publicize it, Antifa will want to show up, cancel at the last minute, Antifa will show up anyway, blame the city and Antifa for being against speech (quite true), sit back and watch the fun as Anifa attacks cops and destroys liberals property, now go and recruit those cops and former liberals to your side. Keep this up until cops everywhere, and many liberals, notice who is actually hurting them, at the very least, you will remove support for Antifa

Have you noticed what is really going on here? "The Resistance", the side that is against Confederate statues, is violating the laws and peace of the US and attacking free speech and democracy. In short, they claim to hate the Confederacy (excuse me, what Confederacy, do you know what year it is?), yet they ARE the Confederacy. Note also that the anti-fascists are on the left, the side of socialism, like the German nationals Socialists, dress all the same, use violence on their supposed "enemies", and fight against free speech (book burning anyone?), and in all ways act exactly like Nazi Brownshirts.

"Always accuse the other side of what you are doing."

Blogger Chris Mallory August 28, 2017 9:14 AM  

SanityClause wrote:yet they ARE the Confederacy.

No, they aren't.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2017 9:23 AM  

SanityClause wrote:One thing that can be done about this sort of thing, where police are called away from the action by the mayor is simple, place the mayor under citizens arrest for aiding and abetting, one charge for each crime committed after the order to not enforce the law, a violation of their oath of office, is given. They have committed a crime, let them do the time.

Don't do this or you'll learn a nasty lesson about how laws work.

Anonymous BBGKB August 28, 2017 10:00 AM  

Just out of curiosity how long would it take for cops to come back if a relatively "quite" rifle started making antifa fall down? Especially if cops were given orders not to arrest anyone. I guess we would be able to tell if it was a false flag by if they used a manufactured silencer (feds) or one made of auto parts(smarter than a govt worker).

A skeleton crew of the lest offensive (read: minority, women, immigrant, LGBT) trump sopporters shows up as "bait", antifa swallows whole, and their optics are smeared across social media.

Bitch please FAKE NEWS all ran with the video feed of 5 seconds after a niglet attacked a white guy from behind with a bat as proof on mean Nazis.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/charlottesville-victim-of-racist-beating-wasnt-victim-at-all/

and 5 sec before the car crash killed the cat lady video showed antifa hitting his car with poles and breaking a window strangely not included.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/narrative-collapse-is-charlottesvilles-james-alex-fields-the-next-george-zimmerman

Remember cops released same day video of Gentle Mike Brown beating up an Asian liquor store clerk & all the "hands up witnesses" being part of the robbery 10 min before he was shot, but for over a week FAKE NEWS still said he was at CHURCH at the time. FAKE NEWS only showed an edited version that made the high def non stop video look like a stop gap video never showing Mike touching him.

Blogger Geir Balderson August 28, 2017 12:34 PM  

The People's Republic of Berkeley, has been and will always be a putrified encrusted pimple of a place for Commmies to call home. It is an awful cesspool with the worst kind of scum and villainy. The Mos Eisley with the perfect climate.
The cops of Berkeley attend art classes in order to learn how to draw the most sensitive chalk outline around the murder victims.
Peace and Love? I don't think so.

Would be wonderful to place a tall wall around it and let the idiots in but not out!

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 28, 2017 1:19 PM  

Frank Brady wrote:
Do you good folks really not understand that these thugs intend to take everything you have, kill you, and enslave your children? It's time to take the bastards out.

Way too early still. Most of the whites in Murika remain utterly clueless about reality - addicted to Niggaball and other TV idiocy as they gulp down Rev. Jones' grape-drank and chew away at the turd-tacos. Most have zero understanding of debt or the slavery it represents. In other words, still in the good-times drunken stupor mentioned here many times by d.c. sunsets, whose insights into social mood are always worth a read. Most haven't even a clue about the ongoing six-decades of extremely violent and savage dirty war of murder and rape being waged upon them by dindus on behalf of the ruling oligarchy. They remain gaslighted into a false reality by (((fake news))), who have facilitated the dirty war along with the government, the legal system and the police. The majority of those in the ranks of all (((media))), legal and police organizations fully deserve to be rotting at the end of ropes for all the slaughter and misery they've enabled.

VD and others have been preaching some simple steps for many years:

*Remove your kids from public school. It's actual child-abuse not to do so.
*Turn off the damned television and stop paying cable racketeers - who keep CNN and the like afloat.
*Stop borrowing money - especially to send any offspring to the Marxoid indoctrination campuses who fraudulently purvey "advanced education".
*Leave "churches" who are importing the Dindu-Musloid invasion force.

How many whites of the total are even aware of the very minimal information provided above? Ten percent?? This isn't even getting into the problem with the deep-state and the enemy's control of police and military - who will obey any order given by those who hold their "precious" (pensions).

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 28, 2017 1:43 PM  

>And strangely enough, he shares the same complete lack of curiosity about brand new swastika flag man's identity that the legacy media and antifags have demonstrated.


Indeed. I mentioned this several days ago, but /pol/ found this same dude in the middle of the Boston anti-free speech rally.

Blogger Matthew Funk August 28, 2017 2:36 PM  

Regarding point 4, it also demonstrates their propensity to use a bazooka against a house fly (dispatching thousands vs. dozens) and consumes a lot of their resources. We could make them waste even more of their resources by announcing rallies and withdrawing at the last second.

Anonymous Frank Brady August 28, 2017 3:01 PM  

Have you seen http://tinyurl.com/yaoxjn7s? I'm sure that CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, etc., etc., will be giving this top billing in their news coverage just about any time now.

Blogger David Power August 28, 2017 4:22 PM  

Bottom Line:

Nothing terrifies the tribe that controls your country more than Whites becoming self aware.

Law or no law, it will not be tolerated.

Blogger TM Lutas August 29, 2017 8:35 AM  

@191 Ruling elites, no matter where they come from, seem allergic to this facet of the information revolution, the awakening of the broad middle to the shenanigans of the elite. In the current century, pulling off scams is likely to become much harder than it was in the previous one.

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