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Saturday, August 12, 2017

Riot police called out in Charlottesville

#Charlottesville city officials have declared a local emergency.

Per Pax:

Antifa attacked the rally and the police declared it an unlawful assembly and ordered us to disperse. #UnitetheRight /1

We were prepared to engage in civil disobedience and be arrested. I was on a line with Baked Alaska, Spencer, Damigo, and a few others. /2

The state police refused to arrest us. They assaulted us, knocked our guys down, and pepper sprayed us. /3

The police pushed us into a hostile crowd of antifa. They wanted to create a violent situation. /4

We had to battle our way out, I saw people bleeding and a lot of pepper spray casualties. /5

I think we might have done too much winning last night and they decided we couldn't be allowed to speak today. I await comment from ACLU. /6

I don't understand why the lesson of Berkeley with regards to the police didn't register, but regardless, it should be eminently clear that peaceful protest by the Right will not be permitted.

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Anonymous Philipp August 12, 2017 1:02 PM  

Looks like the U.S. has moved closer to its second civil war.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 12, 2017 1:07 PM  

Just out of curiosity, have the Oafcuckers done anything about the dindu board-member who issued violent treats?? Or is it another typical case of the badge-gang covering for their fellow criminals who operate under the color of law?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 12, 2017 1:07 PM  

1765 Stamp Act
1770 Boston Massacre
1773 Boston Tea Party
1774 Intolerable Acts
1775 ...

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 12, 2017 1:11 PM  

It's up to the folks of 4chan/pol/ to unmasks some of these Antifas like they did with Moldylocks and Eric Clanton last Spring in Berkeley.

Blogger Sambuca Ford August 12, 2017 1:11 PM  

Speaker Ryan has waxed eloquent. All is well. #recruitingday #montihellno

OpenID aew51183 August 12, 2017 1:14 PM  

This just means part C of the xanatos gambit goes into effect:

A federal court injunction has been violated here.

This isn't 1960 or even 1980 anymore, video cameras are everywhere.

They have a federal case for punitive damages for violation of civil rights in the same court which has already ruled in their favor, and I suspect there are political penalties in store for anyone responsible for the orders to police.

It will take time to compile the footage and lodge the cases, but leftist tax money is going to flow in the millions into alt-right coffers at the very least.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 1:30 PM  

6. aew51183

They have a federal case for punitive damages for violation of civil rights in the same court which has already ruled in their favor, and I suspect there are political penalties in store for anyone responsible for the orders to police.

Naivete can be very endearing...in children.

Anonymous Anonymous August 12, 2017 1:30 PM  

I think people on the right have, for too long, instinctively supported law enforcement.

Police serve the state power structure, not its citizens. They don't care about you rights. They do as their civilian masters command. We have seen, over and over again, police abandon the streets to Antifa, but put pressure on rightists. The support we give is a one way street.

It's time conservatives as a whole, and the Alt-Right in particular, start seriously questioning our support for law enforcement.

Anonymous Whitey August 12, 2017 1:32 PM  

Heh, heh, heh.....The Alt Right gets an ass kicking. It happens all too often, either physically or rhetorically.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 1:33 PM  

It's up to the folks of 4chan/pol/ to unmasks some of these Antifas

Heavy, heavy shilling over there today, so it must have gone well overall. Last night's reports sounded like the Unite the Right crowd was larger than expected and Antifa basically didn't show, so they probably decided the cops would have to balance things out.

I've never understood the fantasy that the cops would be on our side. See Waco. See Ruby Ridge. They'll follow orders. Maybe after a complete breakdown it would be different, but as long as there are city/state governments and intact chains of command to tell them what to do, they'll do it. If necessary, the authorities will invent crimes for them to punish, like when they said the Branch Davidians were making drugs. But mostly that's not necessary.

If you want to know what the cops will do, look at who's giving them their orders.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 12, 2017 1:35 PM  

@6.

Maybe. But this strikes me as more ghost-dancing. It also reveals the the police and military, whether Oafcuckers or not, are converged. The rank and file are trained to obey orders, regardless of the lawlessness of said orders. It appears the they openly sided with Antifa here, which means that orders were issued to do so by the city government (already proven to be completely converged). It also strikes me that Spencer & Co. are nowhere near tall enough for this ride. They're basically attempting to engage the enemy on a battlefield which the enemy already controls.

In VD's Darkstreams, he notes that the enemy needs to be attacked from directions they are not expecting. They were quite ready for Spencer & Co. in Charlottesville, even keeping their presence down last night so the event organizers would be overconfident. As for injunctions, laws, etc. - there are entire states and numerous cities openly and willfully refusing to enforce Federal laws. Not one official has even been charged. Counting on a completely corrupted and converged court and legal system to address the issue is more ghost-dancing. It's not reformable.

Triggering the SJW enemy to put the petal to the metal seems the best strategy as it will destroy the system faster and more completely when it finally slams into the stone-cold wall of reality which remains invisible to most.

Anonymous Whitey August 12, 2017 1:37 PM  

Plus...Trump condemns the Hate of the right. Long day for the P(Alt)ry Right.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 1:38 PM  

9. Whitey August 12, 2017 1:32 PM

Heh, heh, heh.....The Alt Right gets an ass kicking. It happens all too often

It will happen a lot more too.

Some people still believe there is some point to talking to leftist filth. Seeing you folks in action alongside the authorities helping to make it happen is an amazing wake up call.

Best recruiting campaigners for the Alt-Right are leftists.

Blogger Sheila4g August 12, 2017 1:39 PM  

@10 Cail Corishev: "If you want to know what the cops will do, look at who's giving them their orders."

And who's paying them, and their general personality profiles. As others have said repeatedly, they are not on our side. I've been reading a tolerably well-written series on a future collapse/conflict, but the whole thing is seriously flawed by both its color-blind civic nationalism and made laughable by its portrayal of honorable oath cuckers who form the backbone of the resistance. Un, no.

Anonymous Piiohpii August 12, 2017 1:40 PM  

10. Cail

I watched last night's rally live. They expected a couple hundred to show up, and I estimated the crowd to be between 700 to 1000 people, all chanting "You will not replace us," and "Blood and Soil" while marching with torches. Around 20 Antifa members counter-protested around a statue and were physically removed by the rally-goers. Last night went really well, as you can see with the MSM's excessive shilling today.

Blogger Michael Maier August 12, 2017 1:41 PM  

Sounds like the next time there needs to be better planning. Pigs supporting the Antifas needs to be the assumed default.

What's next?

The next logical result for the next rally would seem to be a plan like this:

The pigs push you towards the Antifas? Okay, the Antifas need to be counter-attacked and smeared into the pavement.

And the pigs? Well... I'm sure no one wants to discuss that on a public forum.

But the patience of the right will not endure forever.

The men of Lexington in April 1775 felt pushed into a corner, too.

And they kicked the ass of the most powerful military on the planet.

Anonymous Hsolo August 12, 2017 1:43 PM  

I agree. The alt-right is done after this. It will blowback on Drumph leading to impeachment. Most conservatives are turned off by white nationalism and anti-semitism.

Blogger Michael Maier August 12, 2017 1:44 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:Just out of curiosity, have the Oafcuckers done anything about the dindu board-member who issued violent treats?? Or is it another typical case of the badge-gang covering for their fellow criminals who operate under the color of law?

I'll second that inquiry. Anyone heard anything?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2017 1:44 PM  

Cops are "in it" for the cushy pensions. Assuming the particular cop isn't "in it" for the Power Trip.

People will Do What They're Told until the pension promises detonate, or unilaterally busting heads becomes too much of a liability.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 1:45 PM  

Let's recall the order of events.

The City Council is a racist, anti-white council and the vice mayor is a black, openly avowed racist.

They granted the permit for the rally. The rally organizers got the word out and signed up a crowd.

At the last moment the permit is revoked. At the same time the City Council gave two separate permits for rallies, one for Antifa and another for BLM. Antifa was organizing heavily for the event.

The media had a coordinated narrative already prepared.

Democratic governor declares a state of emergency just as the rally begins.

Cops and antifa immediately attack the rally-goers and drive them out.

Now, you don't have to be a super-IQ genius to understand what's going on here.

This was an own goal inasmuch as the right decided to play by the left's rule book.

Blogger Michael Maier August 12, 2017 1:47 PM  

Hsolo wrote:I agree. The alt-right is done after this. It will blowback on Drumph leading to impeachment. Most conservatives are turned off by white nationalism and anti-semitism.

Hsolo wrote:I agree. The alt-right is done after this. It will blowback on Drumph leading to impeachment. Most conservatives are turned off by white nationalism and anti-semitism.

No one here cares about "conservatives". They and you are pathetic cucks.

You morons better pray for a peaceful solution to your evil that satisfies us.

Otherwise, the Alt-Right is going to prevail and you little bitches will be crying, begging for mercy.

It will not be forthcoming.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2017 1:47 PM  

Nothing that happens in a place to become "history" will matter for quite some time.

That which is visible now is irrelevant. The change that matters, the change that affects popular consent, is largely invisible.

It's happening, however. The symptoms are everywhere.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 12, 2017 1:47 PM  

It's sad to see the police of The Commonwealth become toys of the state.

Though that city has long been converged. Hence why we natives sometimes call it "The People's Republic of Charlottesville"

To the more mature and astute people , what would you suggest in the future? I have no thoughts and am curious about other opinions.

Blogger Michael Maier August 12, 2017 1:50 PM  

johnc wrote:Let's recall the order of events.

The City Council is a racist, anti-white council and the vice mayor is a black, openly avowed racist.

They granted the permit for the rally. The rally organizers got the word out and signed up a crowd.

At the last moment the permit is revoked. At the same time the City Council gave two separate permits for rallies, one for Antifa and another for BLM. Antifa was organizing heavily for the event.

The media had a coordinated narrative already prepared.

Democratic governor declares a state of emergency just as the rally begins.

Cops and antifa immediately attack the rally-goers and drive them out.

Now, you don't have to be a super-IQ genius to understand what's going on here.

This was an own goal inasmuch as the right decided to play by the left's rule book.



If that's all accurate, sounds like the various administrators involved need to be... spoken to.

Blogger Quilp August 12, 2017 1:51 PM  

I don't understand how they couldn't foresee Terry McAuliffe trying to make a name for himself for 2020 as the man who had the Klan beat down by his State Police. How else could a white man stand any chance at all at being nominated by the DNC. What a gift to the Governor.

Anonymous Whitey August 12, 2017 1:54 PM  

"Otherwise, the Alt-Right is going to prevail and you little bitches will be crying, begging for mercy."

The P(Alt)ry Right can't even keep their hands on a rally permit. It's looking rather pathetic for the asshats. There will be no prevailing. The moral center always wins.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 1:54 PM  

A lot of people really, REALLY not understanding 4G warfare.
The goal is not to win a battle. That is at this point impossible. The goal is to capture the moral high ground, and to recruit support and members.
This is difficult in this case, because the media is 100% in the pockets of the Left. Fortunately, the Internet gives us a way to get round it.
You will note that the State Police refused to arrest the protest organizers when they refused to leave. They know the game they are playing. Instead they punished them physically, both on their own and through the efforts of the "approved" antifa and BLM thugs.

Depending of if the Right can get out the videos and stories fast enough, and Baked Alaska and Spencer back it up with a big lawsuit (which they don't even have to win, provided the violence and collusion are blatant enough), this is probably a HUGE win.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 1:55 PM  

Whitey wrote:The moral center always wins.
REALLY don't get 4G warfare.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 12, 2017 1:55 PM  

aew51183 wrote:
A federal court injunction has been violated here.
[…]
They have a federal case for punitive damages for violation of civil rights in the same court which has already ruled in their favor, and I suspect there are political penalties in store for anyone responsible for the orders to police.

You're forgetting one thing: the courts are not interested in Justice, nor in Logic, nor even in consistency.

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the right have, for too long, instinctively supported law enforcement.
[…]
The support we give is a one way street.
[…]
It's time conservatives as a whole, and the Alt-Right in particular, start seriously questioning our support for law enforcement.

I've done so for years, especially when it became apparent to me they had no intention of upholding their oath to the Constitution via acceptance and enforcement of "laws" contrary to the Constitution.

Cail Corishev wrote:I've never understood the fantasy that the cops would be on our side. See Waco. See Ruby Ridge. They'll follow orders. Maybe after a complete breakdown it would be different, but as long as there are city/state governments and intact chains of command to tell them what to do, they'll do it. If necessary, the authorities will invent crimes for them to punish, like when they said the Branch Davidians were making drugs. But mostly that's not necessary.

If you want to know what the cops will do, look at who's giving them their orders.

Exactly; that's why the brochure Stop, Drop, and Cower is my most popular.

Michael Maier wrote:Sounds like the next time there needs to be better planning. Pigs supporting the Antifas needs to be the assumed default.
[…]
And the pigs? Well... I'm sure no one wants to discuss that on a public forum.

What can be said in a public forum is that the police do NOT have unlimited immunity -- and self-defense against unlawful armed assault [or threat thereof] is… valid.

Blogger roughcoat August 12, 2017 1:56 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:I've never understood the fantasy that the cops would be on our side. See Waco. See Ruby Ridge. They'll follow orders. Maybe after a complete breakdown it would be different, but as long as there are city/state governments and intact chains of command to tell them what to do, they'll do it. If necessary, the authorities will invent crimes for them to punish, like when they said the Branch Davidians were making drugs. But mostly that's not necessary.

If you want to know what the cops will do, look at who's giving them their orders.


The aspect few people ever seem to think about is the cops/military will only know what they're told, at least at first. All their command structure has to do is lie to get the more moral types to attack people they might normally sympathize with.

Have them attacking people away from their own homes, put them on a comms blackout for "opsec", feed them a pack of lies about how the "enemy" is a bunch of bad dudes who need to be taken down, and there's no reason to think they won't just follow orders for days or weeks.

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2017 1:56 PM  

> I await comment from ACLU.

And wait, and wait, and wait....

> It's sad to see the police of The Commonwealth become toys of the state.

Why? They're employees of said state. They follow orders. You have to go after the head of the snake, not its tail.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 1:56 PM  

On one of the feeds it looks like someone got seriously messed up. A car plowed into the crowd and hurt somebody bad. I think it was a leftist protester that got hurt but not sure yet.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 1:56 PM  

And Charlottesville was the perfect location, because this reaction was guaranteed.

Blogger Michael Maier August 12, 2017 1:58 PM  

"Nazi sympathizers throwing bottles etc at police & clergy."

Some douche on Twitter.

Yeah... I'm sure.

Blogger roughcoat August 12, 2017 1:58 PM  

Whitey wrote:The P(Alt)ry Right can't even keep their hands on a rally permit. It's looking rather pathetic for the asshats. There will be no prevailing. The moral center always wins.

Shut the fuck up, GoBot.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 1:59 PM  

Frankly, I'm surprised that the alt-White is handling this as well as they are.

This is Spencer's Beer Hall Putsch.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 2:02 PM  

The way to win is to convince increasing numbers of people that we on the Alt-Right are correct about leftists and their moderate watercarriers.

Street violence and attacks on our rallies help us do that. Winning the street battle can be nice but isn't a requirement to achieve a win for our side.

One of ours dead in the morgue would also help, and it will happen sooner or later.

Winning a fistfight isn't the point.

If the police opened fire and killed 50 or ours that would be a massive victory for our side.

This is a recruiting campaign before things get really serious. Overreactions and injustices on the part of the authorities benefit us.

Blogger Avalanche August 12, 2017 2:02 PM  

@29 "the police do NOT have unlimited immunity -- and self-defense against unlawful armed assault [or threat thereof] is… valid."

And you hope to get JUSTICE in the "just-us" system, do you? You think violating the converged "blue-line" will somehow be found legal?

"unlimited immunity" REQUIRES an actual legal system. We ain't got one!

Unless you're gonna try to go 'bike-lock-fag' on the cops (SO not recommended -- the cops WILL protect their own!): strike and fade back into the crowd -- and HOPE the cops don't unholster! -- you've got no chance in hell (oh, sorry, spelled hat wrong, not chance in COURT) to try to 'limiting their immunity!

Anonymous Constitutional Warrior Scholar August 12, 2017 2:05 PM  

Now the alt-retards are running people down with their cars. I should've voted Cruz or McMullin. I am literally ashamed.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 12, 2017 2:05 PM  

My grandfather was a detective in the LAPD for 20 of his 30 years. I've known enough cops to know one simple fact. The vast majority are in it for the pension. They're a mercenary force, bought and paid for.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 2:06 PM  

According to the Occidental Dissent report last night went fairly well.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 12, 2017 2:07 PM  

@Snidely,

Yes I did consider this point. Tactical defeats can be turned into strategic victories. Johnc gave a good sequence of events above. If more flock to our side because they see the truth about the badge-gang and the governor and the city junta (whose vice-mayor is an open Black supremacist), it could be a plus even if a lawsuit goes down in flames. That in itself could be used for advantage to display the utter corruption and worthlessness of the justice system (who are no better than the fake-news at the and of the day).

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 2:10 PM  

alt-right needs to extensively film and document their events from multiple angles. When shit goes down they have the footage to make a point, sue, meme, etc.
Alt Right needs to organize "observation teams" for these events that do nothing but record everything

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 12, 2017 2:11 PM  

This is a great thing overall. With the Google thing, libertarian minded cuckservatives could rationalize that as Google's right. But, seeing liberals cheer on the armed actors of the State initiating violence for having the wrong opinions should wake a lot more of them up. And, it is another lesson learned for the protestors on what to be prepared for, next time.

BTW, if you want to see an orgy of leftist leftism, check out Spencer's twitter page.

OpenID aew51183 August 12, 2017 2:13 PM  

More evidence of the political motivation of the "state of emergency":

antifa being allowed to roam as they please.

https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/896426434683699202

edit:
Apparently the antifa crowd was run over by a car of peace.. CPR being administered.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:14 PM  

I presume this was not a surprise to anyone? Ah, I'll sperg a little, it's just copypasta from elsewhere:

Great optics with the torches. Very clear threat of violence specifically toward TPTB, and the "Other" in general (e.g. Dracula, Frankenstein). I want to know who organized the logistics of that.

I didn't understand the point of marches and demonstrations until I understood that politics comes down to ethnic self-advocacy, threatening TPTB until they gibbs you policies that favor your bloc. The imagery here is clearly meant to communicate "pogrom".

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 2:17 PM  

This is mind boggling. Maybe I am oversimplifying this but the Charlottesville's government had just one job, keep the violent "protestors" away. Instead, they chose a series of actions that only increased the amount of work they have to do.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:21 PM  

aew51183 wrote:This just means part C of the xanatos gambit goes into effect:

A federal court injunction has been violated here.

This isn't 1960 or even 1980 anymore, video cameras are everywhere.

They have a federal case for punitive damages for violation of civil rights in the same court which has already ruled in their favor, and I suspect there are political penalties in store for anyone responsible for the orders to police.

It will take time to compile the footage and lodge the cases, but leftist tax money is going to flow in the millions into alt-right coffers at the very least.


You are failing to comprehend the situation. The alt-right would lose an outright legal battle, with massive lines drawn up like Greeks and Persians, and that would be very moralizing to our opponents (how many of their favorite movies end with court scenes?). This is not a country of laws anymore, it's a country of judges. There can only be legal operations at most, guerrilla-style, e.g. James Damore.

This event was a victory because 4GW is fought with PR and victim narratives, and the alt-right got both.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 2:22 PM  

47. Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 2:17 PM

This is mind boggling. Maybe I am oversimplifying this but the Charlottesville's government had just one job, keep the violent "protestors" away. Instead, they chose a series of actions that only increased the amount of work they have to do.

Why do you assume that Antifa (violent protesters) and the state government are two separate factions?

Does it look that way to you?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 2:22 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:Now the alt-retards are running people down with their cars. I should've voted Cruz or McMullin. I am literally ashamed.
Yeah, writing in Leon Trotsky was probably the wrong move. But I'm sure it felt good at the time!

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Maybe I am oversimplifying this but the Charlottesville's government had just one job, keep the violent "protestors" away.
The local government disagrees with you about their job description. They believe it reads "get these useless, fat Commie fucks re-elected, or replaced with even fatter, more useless, mor Communist fucks."

Blogger VD August 12, 2017 2:23 PM  

The alt-right is done after this.

Yeah, because "Gamers are dead" worked so well last time. You need a new playbook.

Now the alt-retards are running people down with their cars. I should've voted Cruz or McMullin. I am literally ashamed.

Instead of Hillary, one presumes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

Is it not the main tactic with 4GW to discredit then demoralize the establishment?

I don't think this went all that bad, Antifa is now the establishment and antifa is crazy and getting crazier.

And to think we have just now begun to jettison the old losing tactics. I actually seen a GOPe cuck on FOX daring to put a Democratic pol on the defensive.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:This is mind boggling. Maybe I am oversimplifying this but the Charlottesville's government had just one job, keep the violent "protestors" away. Instead, they chose a series of actions that only increased the amount of work they have to do.

Your premise is incorrect, and that's why your prediction fails. Charlottesville's government has the job of enforcing a particular status quo, and maintaining order is less important than preventing whites from organizing politically.

Anonymous Lester August 12, 2017 2:25 PM  

They have to make sure they record its so they can sue ? Are you kidding me !, What sort of anarchist relies on the courts or the police to protect them.. whatd next, get their names so we can call thier mommies. .. if your going to drive change from the bottom up in the streets you will need to be ready to stand on your own two feet..

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:28 PM  

Lester wrote:They have to make sure they record its so they can sue ? Are you kidding me !, What sort of anarchist relies on the courts or the police to protect them.. whatd next, get their names so we can call thier mommies. .. if your going to drive change from the bottom up in the streets you will need to be ready to stand on your own two feet..

The alt-right are not anarchists, please update your programming.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:30 PM  

So much nonsense to correct, so little time...best get to it I guess.

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 2:32 PM  

Lester

Sueing is about lawfare and imposing costs on your opponent. Not about expecting "justice".

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

Philipp wrote:Looks like the U.S. has moved closer to its second civil war.

The culture war began in earnest during Obama's first campaign.

Hrw-500 wrote:It's up to the folks of 4chan/pol/ to unmasks some of these Antifas like they did with Moldylocks and Eric Clanton last Spring in Berkeley.

Why is it always the job of Omegas and autistics to haul normie asses out of the fire?

Anonymous wrote:It's time conservatives as a whole, and the Alt-Right in particular, start seriously questioning our support for law enforcement.

Supporting police is a good policy because police are normies, and they will change with the wind.

Blogger lowercaseb August 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

I never thought I would see the day. The left is making us anti-fragile. Can't they see this is going to make us stronger and more determined?

All I know is that I have never been in this good shape...even when I was young and thin. And at this point I don't care what type of salutes the fellow next to me is making. When the house is on fire I don't refuse to work the bucket line until the guy next to me takes off his "offensive" shirt.

Blogger owlish August 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

So, if a significant number of cops are in it for the pension, what happens when pensions vanish? Or at least are drastically cut back?

Blogger OldFan August 12, 2017 2:35 PM  

The value of a protest is directly proportional to the degree to which the ruling elite shares the openly-stated values of the protesters.

They share NONE of our values, so protests can only be viewed as opportunities for direct action - of one kind or another. The goal must be to either:
1) Force the opposition into a bad political move
2) Hurt the opposition directly, diminishing their effectiveness

I wonder how long it will take . . .

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:36 PM  

Whitey wrote:Heh, heh, heh.....The Alt Right gets an ass kicking. It happens all too often, either physically or rhetorically.

You may want to start using Tor, we're making lists after all.

Whitey wrote:Plus...Trump condemns the Hate of the right. Long day for the P(Alt)ry Right.

I hear he's trailing Hillary by 12 points.

Anonymous RT August 12, 2017 2:36 PM  

Fox News is going full SJW/Dems R Real Racist over #Charlottesville.

Guess how much that will help them get acceptance from the left.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 12, 2017 2:37 PM  

Interesting:

After an analysis of the written MSM coverage of the event thus far, the moniker "Alt-Right" is virtually nowhere to be found; "White Supremacist(s)" is, of course, ubiquitous.

My initial thoughts are that "White Supremacist(s)" elicits blinks and nods, whereas "Alt-Right" results in Google searches. Can't have that.

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 2:38 PM  

Owlish,

What happens when police pensions go bust??? See Dallas TX police/fire pension crisis currently underway. The police in geberal,have no loyalty except to their paycheck

Blogger Metric August 12, 2017 2:39 PM  

This type of thing is probably more useful when it happens in CA, driving the CA secession movement from both political sides -- an effect that is +EV on nearly every dimension I can imagine (unless you happen to live in CA and are committed to remaining there no-matter-what-happens).

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:40 PM  

owlish wrote:So, if a significant number of cops are in it for the pension, what happens when pensions vanish? Or at least are drastically cut back?

Won't happen in our lifetimes.

OldFan wrote:The value of a protest is directly proportional to the degree to which the ruling elite shares the openly-stated values of the protesters.

Incorrect. The value of organizing a mob is 1) symbolic of massive demographic support, and 2) the direct threat of a large number of angry people losing their shit.

Blogger lowercaseb August 12, 2017 2:40 PM  

Whitey wrote:The moral center always wins.

OK...that gave me a good long belly laugh. Thank you keyboard warrior.

Blogger Elder Son August 12, 2017 2:40 PM  

The goal is to capture the moral high ground...

Anyone notice what "the moral high ground" looks like in AmuriKa today from the majority of, well, "Americans"? From the left, right, white, black, brown, and etc.?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:41 PM  

grayman wrote:Owlish,

What happens when police pensions go bust??? See Dallas TX police/fire pension crisis currently underway. The police in geberal,have no loyalty except to their paycheck


They are typically loyal to each other and the police as an institution, in addition to the paycheck.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 12, 2017 2:41 PM  

Video of the rektoning. Happens at about 7:30

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lDxLkeLygzJm

Dodge Charger is probably the blackest car there is besides a Chrsyler 300 and '64 Impala. Probably thought all the anti-fa crackers were alt-right.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 2:41 PM  

"White supremacist" has been effective rhetoric but its over played these days, when used it should be openly mocked, easily done.

Blogger Achilles August 12, 2017 2:44 PM  

After today it couldn't be clearer that they are just soldiers of a government that wants us exterminated. As long as they get home safe with their pensions intact at the end of the day they'll gladly kill your dog, your kids, your spouse, and you. If they stand in our way the are fair game. Fuck the blue line.

Blogger Alexandros August 12, 2017 2:45 PM  

Every time you clueless idiots lamely attempt to virture signal about how deplorable these racists are and how ashamed you are, people get ticked off, pushed over the edge, and new literal nazis awaken. "If they're going to call me nazis anyway, why not go all the way?"

You're on track for a sterling recreation of 1933 at this rate.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 2:45 PM  

I assume those who think this was a disaster for the Alt-Right also think Kent State was a massive disaster for the Left.

I'm not going to second-guess people who risked themselves on the front lines, but I do think people need to be aware of the possibilities as things escalate, and ask themselves in advance what they're willing to do. If you go in assuming that the worst thing the police will do is arrest you, and it turns out the authorities don't want you waxing eloquent in court so they tell the cops you're Nazi terrorists and send them to bust your head, what do you do? Might be a good idea to know in advance. If you don't have a good answer for that question, you might hold your rally in a Republican-led city or state, where the authorities may not be on your side, but their goal will be to have the cops play fair.

Because if you think we're a long ways from the possibility of a governor like McAuliffe -- who used to run the DNC and may have as much to lose in Current_Year as anyone -- calling out the National Guard, things getting sideways intentionally or otherwise, a few dozen people dying, and the whole thing being justified with claims of, "We discovered that they had bombs (which we expect to locate any moment now) and were planning a terrorist attack on the capitol building (and also they were Nazis so who cares, are you a Nazi?)," you might think again.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:45 PM  

Hsolo wrote:I agree. The alt-right is done after this. It will blowback on Drumph leading to impeachment. Most conservatives are turned off by white nationalism and anti-semitism.

Lol, you can't even name a conservative white man anymore. There are none left.

johnc wrote:This was an own goal inasmuch as the right decided to play by the left's rule book.


Incorrect. This was a bold move and a massive victory.

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 2:46 PM  

Lowercase @59

Bingo! I'm in the best shape of my life, training harder then ever and MOTIVATED. Thank you leftist dopes!

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:47 PM  

Whitey Whiteman III wrote:
Dodge Charger is probably the blackest car there is besides a Chrsyler 300 and '64 Impala. Probably thought all the anti-fa crackers were alt-right.


Anti-black racism already? Don't admit you're Jewish so quickly, we like to play with our food here.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 2:48 PM  

If you're wondering whether the shills are right, if this is bad for the Alt-Right, ask yourself this: Due to this, am I more determined, or less, to show up at the next rally that happens close enough to me?

That should settle that question.

Anonymous Whitey August 12, 2017 2:48 PM  

Let's see...The P(Alt)Ryan Right can't beat leftists and moderates, lose the media war, run down pedestrians...and they are so happy. Things are going great!' Stay happy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:49 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Nothing that happens in a place to become "history" will matter for quite some time.

That which is visible now is irrelevant.


Brush up on your 4GW.

Blogger Mercy August 12, 2017 2:49 PM  

Car was completely tinted? Hmm...

OpenID aew51183 August 12, 2017 2:50 PM  

Do we have a source to confirm the antifa ran themselves over?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:50 PM  

Whitey wrote:Let's see...The P(Alt)Ryan Right can't beat leftists and moderates, lose the media war, run down pedestrians...and they are so happy. Things are going great!' Stay happy.

We prefer anger. Happy people are useless to the alt-right.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 2:50 PM  

Looking at another video of the wreck, there's little doubt in my mind that it was intentional.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 2:51 PM  

77 I have to agree, old conservative clown culture is fading away.

I'll proclaim old con clown culture on life support when I see college and pro football come under a bit of scrutiny, not dead just scrutiny as fap bait for soft white men.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 2:51 PM  

The P(Alt)Ryan Right

You can tell it's really good rhetoric when the user has to keep tweaking it to try to find a version that stings.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 12, 2017 2:51 PM  

DPD is losing people left and right. They are mercenaries. Pensions go away, so do the police.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:53 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:It's sad to see the police of The Commonwealth become toys of the state.

Though that city has long been converged. Hence why we natives sometimes call it "The People's Republic of Charlottesville"

To the more mature and astute people , what would you suggest in the future? I have no thoughts and am curious about other opinions.


Be more specific. If you mean with respect to future protests...you really can't improve on this outcome. As far as I know, no important alt-right figures were arrested. We'll know soon enough if they were. And a few bumps never hurt anybody.

Anonymous Battlefrog August 12, 2017 2:54 PM  

I could be missing something important about these kinds of rallies, but they seem counterproductive.

Platform building, online organization, and discreet physical meetings seem like a far more potent strategy until MSM narrative control is practically nonexistent.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:56 PM  

Whitey wrote:The P(Alt)ry Right

That's the #1 worst insult I've ever seen. You'd do better with "butthead". Ah, but I see you've chosen "asshat"...

OpenID aew51183 August 12, 2017 2:57 PM  

> until MSM narrative control is practically nonexistent
> until

You've apparently not been keeping up with the latest moves by google and youtube.

The normie spaces on social media are pretty much 100% 1984-tier memory holes now. Merkel did NOT like Cologne getting out.

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 2:58 PM  

If the alt-right is going g to end up confronting the police they need to read up on the "melt away" approach the afghans us ed against the US military.
Escalating a confrontat ion with the police is a losing proposition unless you are talking civil war. Never give them a solid mass to engage. If they engage. You quickly melt away as individuals to preplanned rally point ts where you reform the group.
You can harass the police by using smaller "melt away" cells that pop up on the police flanks and rear to keep them preoccupied. The goal is to not engage. Be leaves in the wind such that they never have a solid group to make contact with.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 2:59 PM  

Battlefrog wrote:I could be missing something important about these kinds of rallies, but they seem counterproductive.

Platform building, online organization, and discreet physical meetings seem like a far more potent strategy until MSM narrative control is practically nonexistent.


See @46, @48, and @67. And brush up on your 4GW.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 12, 2017 2:59 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:It's sad to see the police of The Commonwealth become toys of the state.



The cops got their start as tools of the state.

Blogger tz August 12, 2017 3:00 PM  

Breitbart is reporting it in their live stream as

where hundreds of neoNazis, Ku Klux Klans members and other white nationalists

They need to fire whomever wrote this.

Anonymous gxg August 12, 2017 3:00 PM  

If comments on Yahoo articles are any indicator, support for white-identity movements is growing. People, presumably many of them normies, are asking (and upvoting) variations of this question: "If rallying/marching/organizing is okay for every other group, why not whites?"

Lots of people also commenting on the biased reporting, especially compared to articles about BLM marches, gay pride events, etc.

People are waking up.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 3:01 PM  

90. Battlefrog

Platform building, online organization, and discreet physical meetings seem like a far more potent strategy until MSM narrative control is practically nonexistent.

The state controlled media isn't going away even if it changes to Facebook, Google, and Twitter as they seem to be doing.

Timid hidden meetings aren't going to recruit anyone.

They are platform building by carrying out these marches. People are noticing and paying attention courtesy of the hostile media.

You don't win by hiding, writing impressive position papers, or grand plans that no one will ever see.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:01 PM  

grayman wrote:If the alt-right is going g to end up confronting the police they need to read up on the "melt away" approach the afghans us ed against the US military.

This is bad advice and you should stop it. This is not Afghanistan, the police are not racially foreign occupiers, and following your advice would radicalize the police against us.

Anonymous Grinder August 12, 2017 3:01 PM  

Will Trump make a public statement that in any way, however small, backs the right to alt-righters or whatever the MSM calls them to gather in public demonstrations to speak? Is it too much to ask for a denouncement of violence perpetrated by so-called 'counter-demonstrators' designed to prevent nationalists from speaking? Trump remarks are expected shortly. It is now 3pm Eastern Time.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:02 PM  

Good God, would you idiots shut up about the police? They work for the state, WE GET IT.

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 3:03 PM  

Battlefront

Projection of power...... it's a form of posturing demonstrating your ability to engage.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 12, 2017 3:03 PM  


Be more specific. If you mean with respect to future protests...you really can't improve on this outcome. As far as I know, no important alt-right figures were arrested. We'll know soon enough if they were. And a few bumps never hurt anybody.


Specifically I'm wondering about future gatherings. Obviously Spencer once again walked into the line of fire. I go to Charlottesville semi regularly and could have told him he wouldn't get any support from police and or the city government. He and the other leadership clearly thought otherwise.

What I'm wondering is how to gather in the future. Where is an acceptable place and how are the optics supposed to go.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:05 PM  

If you want to win against the police, here's how you do it:

1) Radicalize the normies.
2) Make the police unsure that they're on the winning side.
3) Offer them better pensions than the current powers that be.

That's it! Instant allies.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 3:05 PM  

@53 How about this: The only thing that the Charlottesville gov't had to do was to deny the request for the permit when the request was made. Certainly that would be wrong but if they had done this, everyone would be home, the rally organizers would be either forming plans to sue, finding another location for the rally, or both. In a way, it's a win-win situation for all sides.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 12, 2017 3:05 PM  

As usual, the foreign (e.g. non-USA) press has the best reporting. Go here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4783914/White-nationalists-hold-torch-lit-march-UVA-campus.html

From article which includes many excellent photos: "A car has plowed into counter protesters, injuring several, as violence continues to erupt at a rally where thousands of white nationalists were expected to gather for an alt-right event in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday...Counter-protesters flocked to the march in retaliation against the white nationalists, neo-Confederates and alt-right activists, screaming: 'We're here, we're gay, we fight the KKK!' The protest hadn't officially started but social media videos showed the rally was escalating as people were seen throwing objects, breaking out into fights and people spraying mace into the crowd...The Unite the Right rally was being held at Emancipation Park and hundreds were seen stomping through the city, wearing militia uniforms, waving flags and chanting 'Blood and Soil' as they made their way towards the event...Supporters and counter-protesters screamed, chanted, threw punches, hurled water bottles and unleashed chemical sprays on each other. Men dressed in militia uniforms were carrying shields and openly carrying guns...Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer denounced the 'cowardly parade of hatred, bigotry, racism, and intolerance march down the lawns of the architect of our Bill of Rights' and warned for residents to stay away from the rally...Arrests were made after police in riot gear attempted to clear the park and a group of protesters pushed back against them, while the battle between the two protester groups continued to rage on in the streets of the city."

*grin*

Anonymous Roundtine August 12, 2017 3:06 PM  

Reread the Wrath of the Awakened Saxon. "Till every count be proved"

We play by the rulebook, every page of it, until they've torn up all the pages. Then there is no more rulebook and they have zero moral standing.

Anonymous Godfrey August 12, 2017 3:06 PM  

So Soros sends in his paid, IQ 70, goons.

Remember, don't waste your time on the paid monkeys. Cut off the head. Stop the supply of bananas and the monkeys disappear.

Soros and his ilk are the true enemy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:06 PM  

grayman wrote:Battlefront

Projection of power...... it's a form of posturing demonstrating your ability to engage.


This protest is not a projection of power. That's what a state-sponsored antifa protest is for. Alt-right protests are projection of populism.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 12, 2017 3:07 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:This is mind boggling. Maybe I am oversimplifying this but the Charlottesville's government had just one job, keep the violent "protestors" away. Instead, they chose a series of actions that only increased the amount of work they have to do.

The police serve whoever pays their paychecks and in some nebulous sense public order. I can promise you if there were Right wingers being literally crucified in the streets in the name of public order, many cops would go along.

Don't assume the love of public order that both police and the Right and .Alt Right share makes you friends, it doesn't.

There are exceptions to te obedient cops rule but I'll remind you that police have a long habit of supporting leftists regimes like the Reds, the NDSAP and others

In any case, control of the public sphere is part and parcel of how the Cultural Marxists work, no platforming is another other aspect of this as is control if "idea" institutions like media and education

This is to prevent other ideas from forming but also to prevent a preference cascade among the normies .

My guess is the later is why this fracas is going on, a preference cascade among Whites to ethic solidarity will end this kind of regime, numbers don't count since the other groups can't maintain the system by themselves and can't cooperate for long periods They have to have White support.

And note I'm already seeing the result, Whites where I live are around 1/3 of the population, a bit more, maybe half in places. In general I'm seeing a trend to whites being more helpful and cordial to other Whites and mostly just doing their job with other groups

Its a small thing but its been growing and a kind of social segregation is already taking place. There really isn't more the Marxists can do to stop this, its organic but they'll try no matter what the cost. They have to because otherwise its game over for them

Blogger Metric August 12, 2017 3:07 PM  

>I could be missing something important about these kinds of rallies, but they seem counterproductive.
>Platform building, online organization, and discreet physical meetings seem like a far more potent strategy until MSM narrative control is practically nonexistent.

It seems that way to me too, but I haven't thought very deeply about it (and I'm not exactly alt-right, but I do like that the alt-right plays to win). Basically, these sorts of things are useful if inflamed passions on all sides is +EV for us, which isn't clear to me. As I said above, it would probably be more clearly +EV if it happened some place like CA, where the left is likely to react by wanting to isolate themselves politically from the rest of us (secession).

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 3:08 PM  

Aeoli

You missed the entire point. The point is to not engage the police. As I specifically stated that is a losing tactic.
The melt away approach is specifically intended to prevent a "superior" force from fully engaging you.
Simply prevention the police from fully engaging you would be a big win.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 12, 2017 3:08 PM  

Alexandros wrote:Every time you clueless idiots lamely attempt to virture signal about how deplorable these racists are and how ashamed you are, people get ticked off, pushed over the edge, and new literal nazis awaken. "If they're going to call me nazis anyway, why not go all the way?"

You're on track for a sterling recreation of 1933 at this rate.


As a wise man here once said "I don't want Hitler, Hitler was an idiot."

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:09 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:@53 How about this: The only thing that the Charlottesville gov't had to do was to deny the request for the permit when the request was made. Certainly that would be wrong but if they had done this, everyone would be home, the rally organizers would be either forming plans to sue, finding another location for the rally, or both. In a way, it's a win-win situation for all sides.

No one said they were smart. Maybe Quilp was right and it had something to do with Terry McAuliffe's 2020 run.

Blogger James August 12, 2017 3:09 PM  

There's a reason police are called pigs. You can't get them away from the trough and they'll devour your body if you're wounded and they are hungry. Of course, they can usually be paid off. Maybe we could crowd source their bribes.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 3:10 PM  

105. Al From Bay Shore

@53 How about this: The only thing that the Charlottesville gov't had to do was to deny the request for the permit when the request was made.

So their faction doesn't get to grandstand politically for the minority and liberal voters and their street allies forego an opportunity to attack their enemies?

Blogger VFM #7634 August 12, 2017 3:10 PM  

The shilling is strong today. We must be winning.

@74 Alexandros
Or the old saying, "Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb." This was Beer Hall Putsch stuff -- and in fact, there were about three times more alt-righters involved than Nazis in the Putsch. If McAuliffe's guardsmen had actually opened fire, it would be Beer Hall Putsch II.

Anonymous Ain August 12, 2017 3:12 PM  

"Now the alt-retards are running people down with their cars. I should've voted Cruz or McMullin. I am literally ashamed."

Be careful with this stuff. Death by crazed driver is well within false-flag territory.

Why stop at outlawing guns when you can try to outlaw cars, too?

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 3:12 PM  

Some news source reporting one fatality now.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:14 PM  

grayman wrote:Aeoli

You missed the entire point. The point is to not engage the police. As I specifically stated that is a losing tactic.

The melt away approach is specifically intended to prevent a "superior" force from fully engaging you.

Simply prevention the police from fully engaging you would be a big win.


What's the sense in talking about tactics if you can't describe the victory conditions of the operation? Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

Blogger Elder Son August 12, 2017 3:14 PM  

Will Trump make a public statement that in any way, however small, backs the right to alt-righters...

Just don't read anything into it. It is in "3D code".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4785008/Melania-Trump-condemns-violence-Charlottesville.html

They mean "them", not "us".

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 3:16 PM  

@120 Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

To be honest... I don't think it would. I think we're beyond that point. The left would celebrate, and the right would be split between "oh crap" and "good! he racis'!"

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:16 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:"Nazi sympathizers throwing bottles etc at police & clergy."

Some douche on Twitter.

Yeah... I'm sure.


Being perfectly honest...at this point in the game the clergy deserve whatever they get.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 3:16 PM  

@116 In denying the initial request, the gov't of Charlottesville gets a platform from which to grandstand. They could have issued an official statement that fulfills that purpose. But, as Aeoli Pera suggested, they are not the brightest people in the world so perhaps I am expecting too much from them.

Blogger Elder Son August 12, 2017 3:16 PM  

Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

Booboisie White AmeriKa: "THEY SHOT A NAZI! GOOD!"

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:17 PM  

johnc wrote:@120 Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

To be honest... I don't think it would. I think we're beyond that point. The left would celebrate, and the right would be split between "oh crap" and "good! he racis'!"


4GW. I'll say it as many times as I have to.

Anonymous Rfvujm August 12, 2017 3:17 PM  

I've also heard that "nazi" has been trending on Twitter, and I expect that we'll be hearing MSM reports about that. Of course, we all know that Twitter has been suppressing hashtags they don't like, so if you weren't yet sure that Twitter was an arm of the status quo establishment...

Blogger DonReynolds August 12, 2017 3:18 PM  

The Leftists and Negroes seem to think this is the end of the story....since it proves that the Right is not permitted to peacefully assemble in public.

I tend to agree with the words of Churchill (1942)...."Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:18 PM  

Elder Son wrote: Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

Booboisie White AmeriKa: "THEY SHOT A NAZI! GOOD!"


You're being retarded. Neurotypicals in America believe badthinkers should be bullied, not executed. It would be a massive violation of their expectations and recall Civil Rights propaganda.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain August 12, 2017 3:19 PM  

I was there. Seething does not begin to describe the way I'm feeling right now. They only have violence and suppression of speech. And we still won the day, bigly.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:20 PM  

Charlottesvillain wrote:I was there. Seething does not begin to describe the way I'm feeling right now. They only have violence and suppression of speech. And we still won the day, bigly.

Thank you for your service, sir.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 3:22 PM  

Possible photo of driver arrest shows white guy in tan khakis and white polo shirt... Seems like common dress from the UTR rally.

Things may be getting interesting.

Anonymous Panzer Man August 12, 2017 3:22 PM  

Charlottesvillain wrote:I was there. Seething does not begin to describe the way I'm feeling right now. They only have violence and suppression of speech. And we still won the day, bigly.

I salute you for being on the scene. I hope that next time I can be as well.

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 3:23 PM  

@34-What leftist even says "clergy?"

Maybe in the South, I suppose.

Maybe if the clergyman is a black.

Blogger Salt August 12, 2017 3:23 PM  

From ZH... pic of driver behind wheel. Looks like a dark tee shirt

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/08/08/20170812_wow3_0.jpg

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 3:24 PM  

This won't be settled by a popularity contest, nor voting.

Winning the hearts and minds of the middle isn't going to happen. Their neutrality is probably all that can be reasonably expected.

It will be war and a radicalized dedicated minority is all that is required IF the middle stays inert.

Blogger Elder Son August 12, 2017 3:24 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Elder Son wrote: Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

Booboisie White AmeriKa: "THEY SHOT A NAZI! GOOD!"


You're being retarded. Neurotypicals in America believe badthinkers should be bullied, not executed. It would be a massive violation of their expectations and recall Civil Rights propaganda.


Sure. Then White America would have a White America hissy fit. Out in the streets PROTESTING! Surely. Because... muh morals.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 3:26 PM  

Charlottesvillain wrote:

I was there.

Thank you!

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:26 PM  

Whitey Whiteman III wrote:This is a great thing overall. With the Google thing, libertarian minded cuckservatives could rationalize that as Google's right. But, seeing liberals cheer on the armed actors of the State initiating violence for having the wrong opinions should wake a lot more of them up. And, it is another lesson learned for the protestors on what to be prepared for, next time.

BTW, if you want to see an orgy of leftist leftism, check out Spencer's twitter page.


Soros is not sending his best out today. I never thought I'd miss Tad.

Blogger DonReynolds August 12, 2017 3:27 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:The shilling is strong today. We must be winning.

@74 Alexandros

Or the old saying, "Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb." This was Beer Hall Putsch stuff -- and in fact, there were about three times more alt-righters involved than Nazis in the Putsch. If McAuliffe's guardsmen had actually opened fire, it would be Beer Hall Putsch II.


There was no Beer Hall Putsch at all, since their purpose was not to overthrow the government.
This was an entirely peaceful assembly that was violently attacked by Antifa and BLM.
Yes, we do live in a Weimar Republic.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 3:28 PM  

@135 From ZH... pic of driver behind wheel. Looks like a dark tee shirt

I think that's a Photoshop of Sam Hyde. Because the window was rolled up when he was driving.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:28 PM  

Elder Son wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:Elder Son wrote: Has it occurred to you that it would be an unmitigated GOOD if the antifa had shot Spencer on video?

Booboisie White AmeriKa: "THEY SHOT A NAZI! GOOD!"


You're being retarded. Neurotypicals in America believe badthinkers should be bullied, not executed. It would be a massive violation of their expectations and recall Civil Rights propaganda.


Sure. Then White America would have a White America hissy fit. Out in the streets PROTESTING! Surely. Because... muh morals.


Stop spazzing or I will bully you back into line.

Anonymous Constitutional Warrior Scholar August 12, 2017 3:28 PM  

"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 3:31 PM  

@48-Court battles can give you good PR without winning.

Anyway, lawfare is a long-term strategy, and I don't see the harm in using it where and whenever we can. Except in some cases money will be squandered, but let the people spending worry about that.

The New Left didn't have the legal system on its side back in the Chicago Eight days, and now it does. That's thanks mostly to the Long March through the law schools. (That won't work for us. I imagine we'll have to literally burn the universities down, rather than just occupy them with violence like the New Left did at first.) But it's also because they dedicated themselves to lawfare.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:31 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Frankly, I'm surprised that the alt-White is handling this as well as they are.

This is what they live for and what they're best at. Such traits are the basis of historical cycles.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 12, 2017 3:31 PM  

>Soros is not sending his best out today. I never thought I'd miss Tad.

I hope you are not VFM detective squad, kiddo.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2017 3:31 PM  

137. Elder Son

Sure. Then White America would have a White America hissy fit. Out in the streets PROTESTING! Surely. Because... muh morals.

They don't have to do anything.

If they start pulling their support from the government that helps us when the time comes.

Governments fall when the mass of people stop seeing them as a legitimate power. None of that needs to be expressed in the streets or even overtly.

Anonymous Panzer Man August 12, 2017 3:32 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!


Work yourself up more, buddy. Maybe you'll break your keyboard pounding on the capslock key and we'll be rid of your self-righteous whining.

The poop is disappointing today.

Anonymous grayman August 12, 2017 3:32 PM  

Aeoli

Us debating strategy and tactics is pointless unless we first agree on a desirable end state objective. It'd be an intetesting debate but not easily done on a blog.



Fatality from the car ramming the crowd? CP being performed suggests it may be
Check out @polNewsForever's Tweet: https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/896429441588629506?s=09

Blogger VFM #7634 August 12, 2017 3:32 PM  

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!

@143 Constitutional Warrior Scholar
Word on de skreet is dat wuz a sista done it.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 3:33 PM  

@143 Maybe I am out of line for saying this but this probably would not have happened if the violent counter-"protestors" hadn't shown up in the first place. Just sayin'.

Blogger Salt August 12, 2017 3:33 PM  

johnc wrote:I think that's a Photoshop of Sam Hyde. Because the window was rolled up when he was driving.

ZH get trolled?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:33 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!


Literally crying right now. Tears of joy, that the world has one less communist in it. The sun is so bright right now!

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:35 PM  

Whitey Whiteman III wrote:>Soros is not sending his best out today. I never thought I'd miss Tad.

I hope you are not VFM detective squad, kiddo.


Freelance. They bring me in to extract confessions from Jews.

Blogger DonReynolds August 12, 2017 3:36 PM  

Sharrukin wrote:This won't be settled by a popularity contest, nor voting.

Winning the hearts and minds of the middle isn't going to happen. Their neutrality is probably all that can be reasonably expected.

It will be war and a radicalized dedicated minority is all that is required IF the middle stays inert.


Very good. I have been saying for decades that the Right is foolish for waiting on the Majority to show up. They will NEVER show up.

During the American Revolution, the Patriots NEVER had the support of more than 25 percent of the population and most of the time it was much less. Even more Americans at the time were Loyalists and Tories. The gross majority in the center spent the entire war trying to stay completely out of it and maybe make a buck or two along the way.

This shapes up to be no different, but keep in mind that a quarter of 340 million is 85 MILLION. That is quite a bit to deal with and the US military is much too weak to quickly suppress that many people without considerable use of firepower.

Blogger Metric August 12, 2017 3:37 PM  

>Us debating strategy and tactics is pointless unless we first agree on a desirable end state objective. It'd be an intetesting debate but not easily done on a blog.

I'm Ready for Balkanization.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 12, 2017 3:37 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@29 "the police do NOT have unlimited immunity -- and self-defense against unlawful armed assault [or threat thereof] is… valid."

And you hope to get JUSTICE in the "just-us" system, do you? You think violating the converged "blue-line" will somehow be found legal?

"unlimited immunity" REQUIRES an actual legal system. We ain't got one!

Unless you're gonna try to go 'bike-lock-fag' on the cops (SO not recommended -- the cops WILL protect their own!): strike and fade back into the crowd -- and HOPE the cops don't unholster! -- you've got no chance in hell (oh, sorry, spelled hat wrong, not chance in COURT) to try to 'limiting their immunity!

No, I am not saying that the courts themselves are (or will be) on your side — in fact, many have made it plain they care not for Law or Justice — but, at the moment, we still have juries which can return "not guilty" when the State wants guilty (remember Zimmerman?).

As I learned in my deployment overseas — “you always have the right to defend yourself” — if even the screwed up ROE there applied, how much moreso when not tied down by politicians and lawyers?

(And, in 4GW terms, how much of a blow would it be to the court/state legitimacy if they did declare that there was no right of self-defense? …especially with the cops ever becoming more willing to show how unrestrained and not-on-your-side [essentially regardless of either law, justice, or your identity-politics] they are?)

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 3:38 PM  

@54-Who are you calling an anarchist?

I would recommend calling people's mommies if it were effective. We don't do that deliberately, but it is all a Parr of public shaming, I suppose, which would be a solid tactic of we could get people to feel shame about the right things again.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:38 PM  

grayman wrote:Aeoli

Us debating strategy and tactics is pointless unless we first agree on a desirable end state objective. It'd be an intetesting debate but not easily done on a blog.


Agreed.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 12, 2017 3:39 PM  

Aeoli Peri has been right on. This is a victory on the moral 4gw front. As much as I would not want to be on the recieving end the more violence against our allies through the police and counter-protestors the more of the normies we will convert.

Blogger DeploraBard August 12, 2017 3:40 PM  

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Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 3:41 PM  

The key now is to saturate social media with imagery and memes.

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 3:44 PM  

@64-I look at the use of "white supremacist" as a very good thing. The MSM and the political class started their rhetorical assault against the alt-right in earnest a year or so ago with Hilary's historic Deplorables Speech. (A symptom of their Pepe-phobia.) By now, alt-right should mean "white supremacist," Nazi, KKK, and all bad things under the sun. They oughtn't need any other terminology.

But they do, which means the assault on alt-rightness didn't work. It's not yet dirty words. Rejoice!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 3:46 PM  

The D party attempted political street theater and were given exactly that

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 3:47 PM  

grayman wrote:Simply prevention the police from fully engaging you would be a big win.
Define the victory condition. Then you can determine the win status.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 12, 2017 3:47 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!


Its a start. Reminds me of the lawyer jokes:
+++
"What do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start."
"An utter waste is defined as a busload of lawyers going over a cliff with three empty seats"
"What’s the difference between a dead armadillo and a dead lawyer in the road?
The armadillo has skids marks in front"
"What do have when a lawyer is buried up to his neck in sand?
Not enough sand."
"How do you save five drowning lawyers?
Who cares?"
+++

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2017 3:47 PM  

Your premise is incorrect, and that's why your prediction fails. Charlottesville's government has the job of enforcing a particular status quo, and maintaining order is less important than preventing whites from organizing politically.

Politics is The LAST entity in society to change when a trend is complete.

People who think their Change Agent actions will be welcomed or supported by any political entity are unconscionably mistaken.

The last part of the cresting wave fights the early part to the bitter end.

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 12, 2017 3:48 PM  

"Bull Connor" is almost never a winning play in the visual arena.

Blogger Michael Maier August 12, 2017 3:48 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!


Your libtard tears are delicious.

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 3:51 PM  

I think of these things like turf wars. Antifa defends college campi violently because, obviously, universities are leftist territory. Blacks and browns defend their parts of cities. Everyone knows that.

In this instance, you have authorities declaring a state of emergency and cops duking it one-sidedly. Apparently the city of Charlottesville is not our turf. Possibly the entire state.

When push comes to shove, we'll find the U.S. is considered by others to their turf. But we already know that, don't we? How many know we'll have to fight to get it back?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 3:52 PM  

@167 "Politics is The LAST entity in society to change when a trend is complete."

Would it be okay if I borrowed that maxim from you? I promise to cite you as the source.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 3:52 PM  

People at the scene are saying the car slowed down, crowd started to swarm, and then he gunned it. Abandoned a few blocks away, Ohio plates, may be in custody already. /pol/ has already tracked the plates to a white businessman from Detroit, but he doesn't fit the part. The car could be stolen, who knows.

My wild guess: the driver, whichever side he was on (or neither), panicked when he thought the crowd was going to swarm the car, and then panicked again and fled on foot when he got clear and realized what he'd done.

If he was on our side, the state and media will make hay from it. But did anyone think nothing like that would ever happen -- as a false flag, if not for real? Deal with it. Here's a good post from /pol/ to consider:

"Remember when the BLM guy murdered a bunch of cops in the name of BLM? That sure killed whatever momentum they had, oh wait."

Blogger pyrrhus August 12, 2017 3:54 PM  

I had a conversation a while back with a guy who used to be police...He observed that alt-right and constitutional conservatives had been regarded as the main enemy by his department, which is located in a generally liberal state...

Blogger lowercaseb August 12, 2017 3:55 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!


What the hell have you done to help, you useless cuck?

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 12, 2017 3:55 PM  

See Dallas, Texas news

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2017 3:56 PM  

owlish wrote:So, if a significant number of cops are in it for the pension, what happens when pensions vanish? Or at least are drastically cut back?

Won't happen in our lifetimes.


Unless you've been on Medicare for a decade or more, I'll take that bet. You can print IOUs but you can't print what they buy, all you can do is move what quantity of what is produced, and government spending is crowding out the real world.

We can't all enjoy the High Life is we're all either on the dole, administering the dole or providing make-work medical services.

At this moment, unless something interesting occurs again, THE top might well have occurred last week. We won't know for months, assuming a new set of highs doesn’t occur immediately, but all the necessary boxes are checked.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 12, 2017 3:58 PM  

I liked Trump's message thanking the cops who actually caused this nonsense.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 12, 2017 4:01 PM  

"I'm in the best shape of my life, training harder then ever and MOTIVATED."

Thank you Rollo, Chateau, and the Supreme Dark Lord. The evil Trinity of evil.

Blogger Elder Son August 12, 2017 4:01 PM  

Re: 4GW.

Everyone keeps throwing that around. Because... everyone of those Unite For The White marchers where just happening to think... 4GW! "We're gonna show them some of that 4GW! Alright boys! Let's show them some 4GW!"

Maybe it's just 4GW'ing naturally. It's a living thing!

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 4:01 PM  

President Trump just said he condemns the violence and bigotry, and then with emphasis: "on many sides, on many sides."

Now, obviously we'd prefer that he took our side and said it's all the fault of the pinko Commies. But we knew he wouldn't do that, so consider how his statement plays to the mainstream left. This was quoted in a piece that said KKK and neo-Nazi groups were there on one side, and he just equated those groups with the radicals on the left. They won't miss that, and they'll be furious.

Blogger Max Saberon August 12, 2017 4:03 PM  

Fine. Let them take down the statue(s). What use will they of them. Acquire the statue(s) and resurrect it/them on private property. They would be kind of like an outdoor museum representing a composite of Southern history.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2017 4:04 PM  

Aeoli, brush up on your Etienne de la Boetie.

Discourses predates Lind by about 500 years. (Not to disparage Lind; his book is on my shelf.)

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 12, 2017 4:04 PM  

I am guessing this stupid f*** has an additional $80,000.00 wrapped up in a useless LLM degree.

Blogger pyrrhus August 12, 2017 4:04 PM  

Constitutional Warrior Scholar wrote:
"BREAKING: Charolettesville mayor says one person dead after car slams into counter-protesters of white nationalists. - ABC"

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES!!!!

Yes. Our side is finally starting to wake up to the facts of life, and Antifas are learning that violence is not risk free, no matter how much they are protected by the Establishment.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 12, 2017 4:05 PM  

/pol/ may have found the driver. If they're right he looks like some hipster burnout. Perhaps he just got surrounded, attacked, and freaked. Might not have been a premeditated incident.

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 4:05 PM  

@129-Did normal people get up in arms when cops shot Black Panthers? Heck no. Schools may teach Panthers as heroes and Chicago cops as racist pigs nowadays, but not back when.

Kids getting shot at Kent State, on the other hand, that was good PR for the New Left savages.

What does Spencer's MSM profile most resemble: supposedly peaceful college kid or black nationalist terrorist?

Anonymous Aphelion August 12, 2017 4:07 PM  

What left wing news doesn't understand. Things would be 3x worse if Hillary had been elected and accelerated her liberal vision for America.

The right would have protested her strongly.

As far as these riots go, I really can't stand neo-Nazis. Economics wrong, religious view is wrong, acceptance of Malthusian bullshit is wrong. Certainly we can support an alt-Right philosophy that tells these imbeciles to leave their Nazi shit out of it?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2017 4:08 PM  

4GW. I'll say it as many times as I have to.

Do you reliably know, in advance, how any event will be framed on the moral level?

I don't. Maybe others are just that much more prescient.

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 4:08 PM  

@149-You don't have to agree on the objective. Did Mensheviks and Bolsheviks?

There will be plenty of time to cut each others throats afterwards.

Blogger pyrrhus August 12, 2017 4:08 PM  

@176 Yes, my prediction is that the main issue in politics 15 years from now, say the election of 2032, will be the collapsing pension and healthcare situations. The retired government workers, including cops, that I know, are all aware that their pensions are not going to last forever. Generally, they expect to be dead by then....

Anonymous Battlefrog August 12, 2017 4:08 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:

See @46, @48, and @67. And brush up on your 4GW.


Good optics shouldn't have to be explained to understand that they are good optics. It's horrible optics, especially when a white guy is shown on video ramming his car into a crowd. You will never out-black blacks with "we're scared of you chimping out so we will give you what you want". Fear of the civilizational white comes from the top down.

Damore was a sneak attack from the shadows. He was a result of online organization and planning. His attack resulted in excellent optics. He is actually scarier to the sane left than these "pogrom optics". Only the paranoid mentally-ill leftist fringe gets scared by it. Most people just see it as anachronistic silliness that a small minority won't stop clinging to.

Blogger PastyWhiteBoy August 12, 2017 4:09 PM  

This is just a prequell to next summer when shtf for election season

Blogger Mister Excitement August 12, 2017 4:10 PM  

I just got back from Charlottesville about an hour ago. I live about 30 minutes away, in the next county.

Talked to several guys that drove from Pennsylvania and Raleigh, NC.

I was fashionably late to the rally, arriving approx. 1230. It was pretty much over by then.

People walking in the streets, Alt Righters and BLM white cucks and some Antifa types pretty much mixing together walking aimlessly.

I came to the parking lot that I usually park when I visit the downtown mall (across the street from Lee Park) and there were 2 white guys having a "debate" with the Antifas and BLMers at their truck.

They need to read Vox Day. There's no debating these people. Plus, these guys were surrounded by at least 30 bad guys. Not a good situation.

Then a car in the parking lot decided to leave, and the BLMers were throwing stuff at the rear windows and jumping on the car, and chased it around the block.

I think I caught the aftermath of the Dodge Charger running people down. I was about to leave, and I heard the roar of the crowd from the other block.

I looked down the street and saw the MRAP parked there with the riot cop manning the gun on top. That was my cue to get out of dodge.

Walking back to my truck, I saw at least 10 EMT vans rushing to the area.

The only violence I saw were from.....you guessed it..... Blacks.

I walked past several BLM blacks and whites and Antifas with no problem. The Antifas and the BLMers looked mostly like a bunch of dumb college kids.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 4:10 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Aeoli, brush up on your Etienne de la Boetie.

Discourses predates Lind by about 500 years.


dc, I know you're smarter than this.

Elder Son wrote:Re: 4GW.

Everyone keeps throwing that around. Because... everyone of those Unite For The White marchers where just happening to think... 4GW! "We're gonna show them some of that 4GW! Alright boys! Let's show them some 4GW!"

Maybe it's just 4GW'ing naturally. It's a living thing!


...It's like you're baiting me to bully you. Are you a masochist? It's weird for me if you're a masochist.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 12, 2017 4:11 PM  

Are images from /pol/ allowed here? I'll link to one. This is the guy I heard of on Cernovitch's podcast and this is info /pol/ has dug up.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502568440458.png

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 4:12 PM  

Elder Son wrote:Re: 4GW.

Everyone keeps throwing that around. Because... everyone of those Unite For The White marchers where just happening to think... 4GW! "We're gonna show them some of that 4GW! Alright boys! Let's show them some 4GW!"

Maybe it's just 4GW'ing naturally. It's a living thing!


And you wonder why younger people hate Boomers...

tublecane wrote:What does Spencer's MSM profile most resemble: supposedly peaceful college kid or black nationalist terrorist?
It's not the profile. That would involve reading. It's the photograph.

@Aoeli
You're a far more patient man than I am. Good work, but some, like our Boomer friend above, are almost completely hopeless.

Blogger tublecane August 12, 2017 4:12 PM  

@172-It actually did kill their momentum, and it certainly hurt Hilary.

It didn't kill the movement. But of course blacks have the most Pokemon Diversity points, and as such get the most MSM and conventional political help with their terrorism. Oops, I mean political movements.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 4:13 PM  

tublecane wrote:@129-Did normal people get up in arms when cops shot Black Panthers? Heck no. Schools may teach Panthers as heroes and Chicago cops as racist pigs nowadays, but not back when.

And if we accept that the winners write history, what must we conclude?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 12, 2017 4:13 PM  

@192 I fear we are nearing the final act of the Bleeding Kansas drama. In that moment, people didn't realize they were in a civil war until 1861.

Blogger pyrrhus August 12, 2017 4:14 PM  

I see that a Judge had ruled in favor of the Alt-right demonstration...http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/judge-allows-unite-the-right-rally-to-stay-in-emancipation/article_9965d0be-7ee6-11e7-ab0e-f342e0cf9488.html

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