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Sunday, August 20, 2017

Setbacks are not defeat

Never confuse a tactical defeat, like the ambush rally in Charlottesville, with a strategic one. Look at the poll numbers on the issue of historical heritage:
President Donald Trump’s widely criticized response to white supremacist violence in Virginia has left Democrats in a quandary: how to seize the moral high ground without getting sucked into a politically perilous culture war.

Democrats have denounced Trump for blaming “both sides” for deadly protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, and, more recently, for defending Confederate monuments.

But the party faces a complex task: While addressing race and history in ways that reflect the party’s values, Democrats also need to focus on issues like jobs and the economy that resonate with a wider range of voters, including white independents, ahead of the 2018 midterm election.

The party has been looking to answer Trump’s populism by crafting its own middle-class brand, yet Democratic leaders across multiple states now are pushing to take down Old South monuments like the one that ostensibly sparked the events in Charlottesville, and three rank-and-file House Democrats want to pursue a congressional censure of the president.

In interviews this week before his resignation was announced Friday, White House strategist Steve Bannon gleefully suggested Democrats are falling into a trap.

“I want them to talk about racism every day,” Bannon told The American Prospect, a liberal magazine. “If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”

Trump himself has called Confederate memorials, most of them actually erected decades after the Civil War, “beautiful statues” that reflect “our nation’s history and culture.”

Polls taken after last weekend’s violence offer some evidence backing Bannon’s and Trump’s view. While polls found widespread disgust with white supremacists, a Marist Poll for NPR and PBS found that just 27 percent of adults queried believe Confederate monuments “should be removed because they are offensive.” About two out of three white and Latino respondents said they should remain, as did 44 percent of black respondents.
No wonder Bannon is slavering to get back into action. I still believe Trump needs to BUILD THE WALL to ensure his reelection, but Defend American History is clearly a massively winning issue for him, both in the 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential campaign.

Especially when idiot Republican establishment figures are scurrying to line up in defense of antifa. Sometimes a tactical defeat is more strategically useful than a victory, which in this case is a little ironic, considering that the Democrats were planning the precise opposite for Charlottesville.

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Blogger Resident Moron™ August 20, 2017 5:47 AM  

What's your assessment of the chances of Republican anti-GOPe candidates standing in the mid-terms?

I'd say that they'd stand a good chance of getting elected, if they can wrest control of the filtering process away from the corporate scum.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan August 20, 2017 5:55 AM  

Pardoning Sheriff Joe would send his poll numbers to nearly 100% approval rating.

We'll see if he goes for it.

Anonymous Mike Rock August 20, 2017 5:57 AM  

Vox,
I just sent you a link to this day old conference. These folks are serious, they breed and they vote more than once, even after death.

https://refusefascism.org/this-fascist-regime-must-be-driven-out-you-are-needed-ways-to-act/regional-meetings-august-19/

Anonymous Looking Glass August 20, 2017 6:02 AM  

I've commented other places that on a purely "position" analysis of the GOP Primary, even for, what, 16 official candidates, their positions were really tightly together. This let Trump run to both the Right & the Left at the exact same time. (A better analysis is that Trump rejected the premises, which made his positions look highly contrasted.) Hillary let Trump run to the middle because she was Hard-Left on a lot of positions.

I *never* thought we'd see a repeat of the GOP Primary. A bunch of the GOPe just ran to defend & support the Alt-Left. Trump feasted on the fact he could sit, comfortably, in a position that 60-70% of the US population approved of. The GOPe just did the exact same thing as the primary. The. Exact. Same.

As I mentioned to Andrew Torba on Gab, may the Lord bless all of us with such incompetent Enemies. (Or at least self-destructive ones.)

As to the Rout of Cville, I think a trip down history lane is appropriate for most folks. https://infogalactic.com/info/Pyrrhus_of_Epirus mostly won his campaign against Rome. Did it matter? Cville was a good tactical victory for the Globalists, but that's only at the local level. They've exposed their influence networks, which in an InfoWar & TechWar scenario might be an outright loss.

Realistically, we should view Cville in the same mind as the https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_Taranto . The game has changed; it's time to change with it.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable August 20, 2017 6:16 AM  

@1: A more interesting question is whether the anti-American Republicans will be defeated in the primaries or the general. I'm inclined to wish that it would be the former, and expect that it would be the latter.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 20, 2017 6:24 AM  

Aye, that's a good point.

Either way thi, the ball of crap these fools are pushing uphill is visibly growing larger and slowing down.

When it reverses (if, per Trump, it hasn't already) it's going to accelerate fast

Anonymous Neobali August 20, 2017 6:32 AM  

After Cville,
The Right began purging the Nazi LARPing retards.
The Left embraced and endorsed Alt-Left violence.

This is a good position for us to be in. Right now, it seems bad. But in a few months, we'll see an escalation in left-wing violence, while right-wing violence remains low. The Alt-Left is also going full SJW. SJW/ANTIFA is pure cancer to normies. And it'll reach terminal status just in time for the 2018 elections.

Blogger American Spartan August 20, 2017 6:51 AM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:What's your assessment of the chances of Republican anti-GOPe candidates standing in the mid-terms?

I'd say that they'd stand a good chance of getting elected, if they can wrest control of the filtering process away from the corporate scum.


Trump is already backing a replacement to Flake, Trump is cleaning house of the backstabbers, traitors, and cucks.

Trump thought he could work with them, but they proven the deep state was out to destroy him/us.

He will not make that mistake again, he is clearing house, the primaries will get the cucks out and serve to warn the rest of the following "I HAVE YOUR NAMES! I HAVE YOUR ASSES! YOU WILL NOT WHINE, YOU WILL NOT CUCK, YOU WILL LEARN BY THE NUMBERS, I WILL LEAD YOU, AND EVERY WORD OUT OF YOUR DICK HOLSTERS WILL BE "YES GOD EMPEROR!".

Those that fail to fall in line will be primaries out in 2020.

With the primaries purging the cucks and the main election giving us 61 plus seats, you will see MASSIVE gains made in very short time.

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 20, 2017 6:54 AM  

I agree with the wall being the most important thing the GE needs to get done in order to win reelection. It will secure Texas, Arizona and the Rust Belt for Trump. But just the wall will not be enough. If he wants to get anything done he needs to defend the suburbs filled with white collar workers that prefer the Mitt Romney republicans over him.

Midterms are going to be interesting. With congress and senate being beyond unpopular, Trump and Bannon could realistically unseat the Paul Ryans. If the Paul Nehlens succeed it should also help Trump to get the RINOs in line.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 20, 2017 7:03 AM  

@7 Neobali

It actually goes beyond just the LARPers. The process will purge those that actually aren't on the "Right" politically, while also building an immunity to them showing up. The "ironic Nazism" is an internet Meme, but there are people that really want to believe it. They want the power that goes with being Evil. (Remember, to cultural understanding, Nazi = Evil; the last Evil you can mention.) It'll force more "Ironic Genghis Khan" stuff or the like.

It'll also let us flush out any of the Imperialists. A supremacist is always just one step from wanting to start an Empire. Much in the same way that the NeoCons were just anti-Communist Imperialists, while still being clearly Socialist in bent.

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 20, 2017 7:04 AM  

You know, I guess I'm still just naive but I honestly thought the total abandonment of the "muh Russia" narrative would be noted a lot more than it has. Not in the media, obviously - but these assholes were literally calling a sitting President a traitor and working to impeach him based on what was basically just a DNC fanfiction that the media decided to push.

Has anything like that ever happened before? If anyone still believed the media when they were pushing the Russia narrative they should be aware of just how dishonest, vindictive, and utterly immoral they are. Most people already knew, but it still honestly kind of shocks me how blatantly they just turn on a dime after ~9 months of constant lying. They just completely dropped it to whine about how Trump isn't endorsing violent communists.

Anonymous Simplytimothy August 20, 2017 7:16 AM  

It's very disorienting having a winner in the White House.

Blogger Stilicho August 20, 2017 7:17 AM  

If Trump doesn't build the wall he probably won't be re-elected. His opponents will make sure the airwaves are filled with that particular failure while never endorsing a wall themselves. The wall is the symbol of ALL of Trump's patriotic populist positions and symbols do matter.

Dude, where's my wall?

Blogger JACIII August 20, 2017 7:18 AM  

Build. The. Wall.
Let them work at tearing that down. It's damned hot on the border and those black clothes will not be pleasant.

Downside: The unbathed antifa will stink even worse.

Blogger Matthew Funk August 20, 2017 7:21 AM  

Consider how much resources they wasted in Boston today. Killing a housefly with a bazooka isn't smart, it's retarded beyond belief.

Anonymous DissidentRight August 20, 2017 7:22 AM  

Cville had the POTENTIAL to be a disaster, but that doesn't account for the fact that Left and the traitor GOP cannot stop itself from engaging in strategic suicide.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 20, 2017 7:24 AM  

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Blogger JACIII August 20, 2017 7:25 AM  

You would think there was a massacre in Charlottesville from the way the media engaged the narrative. I wonder if incitement of a massacre was not what was planned and the one death was enough to start the media assault. Sounds crazy, I know, but commies do not shy away from sacrificing their comrades. There is an undiscovered Journo-list out there somewhere.

Blogger American Spartan August 20, 2017 7:34 AM  

qualitycontrol wrote:I agree with the wall being the most important thing the GE needs to get done in order to win reelection. It will secure Texas, Arizona and the Rust Belt for Trump. But just the wall will not be enough. If he wants to get anything done he needs to defend the suburbs filled with white collar workers that prefer the Mitt Romney republicans over him.

Midterms are going to be interesting. With congress and senate being beyond unpopular, Trump and Bannon could realistically unseat the Paul Ryans. If the Paul Nehlens succeed it should also help Trump to get the RINOs in line.


This, Attack section 8/neuter "Fair Housing" laws. Do that along with "Secure the vote" (ID, purge rolls, limit early voting, cops at the polls, etc) and he will be a God among men.

Anonymous LemonGrass August 20, 2017 7:35 AM  

What Charlottesville did is show us how many hate us, it mobilized those that disliked us. It seems to have swelled their ranks. But think of the bigger picture, how many people who liked the alt right turned to the left, VS how many people who disliked it it turned to the right. Both are small percentages, but the second small percentage was probably larger then the first.

Every time some posted something about Charlottesville people like reminded them what the left is doing in universities, we showed them images of pro trump families being spat upon, the Spanish and finish terrorist did the rest for us. It highlighted how much worse Islamic killings were then those committed were then those of the right.

And finally we got to point out that the right wouldn't be a problem if fundamentally brown people did not prefer to live in white countries then amongst their own people.

Charlottesville will temporarily silence our allies but it will create more.

Anonymous Causal Lurker August 20, 2017 7:42 AM  

If heard phonetically, Alt-Left can quickly morph into "the violent All Left!" Say it quickly or with a slight slur, and the Ls blend together. The people will hear ALL left are violent. Add memes of the black flaggers trashing what looks like their town or their office, and the herd gets uneasy and drifts rightward.

That damaged bust of Lincoln can make a better meme than anticipated. What's next, replacing the Washington Monument with a Colossus of the anarchist striking with a bike lock, or a club?

Alt Left: they don't want a voice. They want to erase you next.

As more details emerge, it appears that the Left spent a lot of resources to build a set-piece battle at 10 to 1 odds, with friendly media and government support, and the cucks exposing their idiot selves, for a "not lose" result. Thank you for acting with this much lead time before the primaries.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 7:51 AM  

"Democrats have denounced Trump for blaming “both sides” for deadly protests in Charlottesville,"

And they keep repeating this lie, that he blamed both sides for that death -- therefore blaming the victim. He didn't, of course. He said there are good and bad people on all sides. Which, as I said at the time, is only what normal Americans say around their dinner tables every day. That's the default position of Americans who aren't heavily into politics, even the moderates: each side has a lot of good people and a few extremists, and the good people could get along, but the extremists cause all the problems. (They're wrong about that, but it's what they believe.) And the media, Democrats, and GOPe all said believing that makes them Nazis who deserve to be killed by communists who claim to be fighting racism.

And then they're surprised when polls show Americans disagree with them. They get more out-of-touch every day.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 20, 2017 7:54 AM  

JACIII wrote:Downside: The unbathed antifa will stink even worse.
You'll like them even less after they've been bloating in the sun for a while, but the buzzards and ants will take care of that if you just wait a while.

Blogger mark auld August 20, 2017 7:59 AM  

There is more and more talk of cville being a left wing set up.If this proves true and gets publicised, it could shift opinion dramatically right.

Blogger rumpole5 August 20, 2017 8:00 AM  

This Trump/Charlottesville event is the from the same template, producing the same finished product, that I saw over and over in the campaign, Viz:

1. Trump reacts to an issue or event in much the same way that most Americans (65% of whites and 30-45% of blacks) do.

2. Trump has the courage to speak out.

3. Fake News pedos & spineless RINO/Cucks go nuts condemning Trump (which 65% of USA whites & 40% of USA blacks infer as condemning THEM.)

4. Trump doubles down and repeats his opinion in even clearer language.

5. Next Trump rally draws even greater numbers of devoted Trump fans.

This is the biggest rope a dope senario since Cassius Clay trounced Sonny Liston! To paraphrase Clay, Trump is the greatest! (And as the ilk will recall, I liked Cruz, not Trump leading up to the election).

Blogger Lucas Evans August 20, 2017 8:01 AM  

Yikes, I can't believe how much "Nazis" trigger people here. If the wannabes bother you, just ignore them. That's it. It does no good to signal against them. The Left doesn't care. Nazi = White Conservative, period. You can tell Antifa all day how much you hate Nazis and how much you love blacks and it won't matter. It just makes you look confused and weak. Ignore the "Nazis" the same way the Left ignores their commies.

The alt-right needs to adopt Fabian tactics. Make a big hoot about a big "Nazi-KKK" event. Get the left all worked up and mobilized, then don't show up. Antifa will end up picking a fight with cops out of frustration. Our events must be spontaneous and passionate, like the tiki-torch march. We can't directly engage the Left, or it will end up like Charlottesville.

Blogger Vikki Wilson August 20, 2017 8:15 AM  

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Blogger Bob Ramar August 20, 2017 8:16 AM  

Lukas, that just about happened yesterday in Boston.

Personally, I think we have gamed. The 'right' let its biases convince it that Trump would 'do something'. He did ,,, he got himself elected President of the United States.

Donald Trump is (until very recently) a lifelong Democrat in the New York sense. His remaining staffers including family (Kushner) are Democrats. Many Obama holdovers still work in senior positions of authority in the Executive Branch and Cabinet. You would think there would have been a major house-cleaning by nowv ... but that has not happened.

When you eliminate all of the possibilities, whatever remains however unlikely that may seem, has got to be the truth. We have been gamed.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-19/love-fest-boston-trump-shows-support-antifa-shutting-down-free-speech-rally
For more information, here is a good article.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales August 20, 2017 8:22 AM  

@28

Again... I now understand why Mao had to kill defeatists within his ranks.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 20, 2017 8:25 AM  

Elevate dirtnapninja's post to a discussion.

The alt-right for whatever it is is a culture insurgent, but Spencer and that crew of morons thought they are political warriors.

Mass politics should never violate Alinsky's rule of never going beyond the mental capacity of your voters.

Cultural insurgency is damn near Katy bar the doors, even up to including the morons who love Nazi regalia (but let them do their usual shtick of collecting a dozen people sieg heiling in front of a 1000 commies on their own)

Anonymous Walter Oleg August 20, 2017 8:25 AM  

If you love something set it free.

There’s no reason why any group can’t have their own spaces and institutions.

If towns want to take down White statues that’s OK, other towns will have these statues and remove the people who object to them.

Exclusion, discrimination and niche is the way of nature.

Any identity group can have their own spaces and institutions if people freely decide to take part. Anything from race, religion, culture, values, even sexual preference or any mix thereof can form the bases for organization.

If lesbians want their own city state, they can do that if enough lesbians want to take part.

Any group that objects to this is against God. Is against the Logos. Is against freedom. Is against diversity. Is against choice. Is against love.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 8:26 AM  

You know, I guess I'm still just naive but I honestly thought the total abandonment of the "muh Russia" narrative would be noted a lot more than it has.

Well, people have been a little distracted. They'll be reminded when the other shoe drops and Russia comes back into the foreground, in terms of Democrat corruption. That's why the MSM leaders have suddenly decided it's not important, but it's too late for that.

Here's a chilling thought for the day: how would Hillary have used Charlottesville? Maybe not for a gun grab, since there were no shootings. But martial law over the area, or over any city threatening to hold a right-wing rally? Declaring the Alt-Right officially a domestic terror organization? A roundup of Alt-Right leaders? Federal funds yanked from states refusing to tear down their statues? Or how differently would events have gone in that park, if McAuliffe had know his friend Hillary had his back?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales August 20, 2017 8:28 AM  

@31

Yeah... and you wonder why Libertardians are Libertardians.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 20, 2017 8:28 AM  

And there will be NO rightward political movement till the Left's rhetorical kill words such as "sexist, racist and phobic" are neutered.

Sorry intellectuals and various spergatoids of the Essays or Death crowd, you are part of the problem.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 20, 2017 8:28 AM  

Worth note, I happen to know that a bunch of other countries and localities are stepping up to take any Confederate monuments that are taken down.

Appomattox wants the Robert E. Lee monument.

So while the converged cities are still messed up, the train is still fine.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 8:37 AM  

I wonder if incitement of a massacre was not what was planned and the one death was enough to start the media assault.

I've wondered that too. What else could be the intention behind waiting until everyone was in the park and then cancelling the event, refusing to arrest those who wouldn't leave, and squeezing them between a police line and their enemies waiting for them in the street? They could have cancelled it sooner, let the people leave by the other exits, or cleared Antifa out of the street first, but they did none of those things. At each step, the authorities took the action most likely to cause an explosion.

Blogger tuberman August 20, 2017 8:42 AM  

Walter Oleg wrote:If you love something set it free.

There’s no reason why any group can’t have their own spaces and institutions.

If towns want to take down White statues that’s OK, other towns will have these statues and remove the people who object to them.

Exclusion, discrimination and niche is the way of nature.

Any identity group can have their own spaces and institutions if people freely decide to take part. Anything from race, religion, culture, values, even sexual preference or any mix thereof can form the bases for organization.

If lesbians want their own city state, they can do that if enough lesbians want to take part.

Any group that objects to this is against God. Is against the Logos. Is against freedom. Is against diversity. Is against choice. Is against love.



NAW, Africa is a huge continent, so send the lesbians there, and the Trans-whatever...plenty of room.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 20, 2017 8:43 AM  

Yup.

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Blogger tuberman August 20, 2017 8:48 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:
I wonder if incitement of a massacre was not what was planned and the one death was enough to start the media assault.

I've wondered that too. What else could be the intention behind waiting until everyone was in the park and then cancelling the event, refusing to arrest those who wouldn't leave, and squeezing them between a police line and their enemies waiting for them in the street? They could have cancelled it sooner, let the people leave by the other exits, or cleared Antifa out of the street first, but they did none of those things. At each step, the authorities took the action most likely to cause an explosion.


No smoking gun, but lots of circumstantial evidence, I'd convict.

On second thought, the "Stand Down Order" was pretty close to a smoking gun.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable August 20, 2017 8:52 AM  

Yikes, I can't believe how much "Nazis" trigger people here. If the wannabes bother you, just ignore them.

You miss the point. This is not about signaling against them. We don't care what Dems and Antifa think - they hate us anyway. This is about getting the Nazis to drop the cosplay and the drama, or else go do their own thing elsewhere.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable August 20, 2017 8:54 AM  

Again... I now understand why Mao had to kill defeatists within his ranks.

He's not within our ranks, but I don't object in principle.

Blogger mark auld August 20, 2017 8:55 AM  

I'm telling you the whole thing was a set up.A cville cop says it included the mayor all the way to the governor.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 20, 2017 9:06 AM  

@18 JACIII

Militia was "supposed" to open fire and kill Antifa. Media was prepped to respond to that. I believe one idiot Dem Gov even tossed out the need for Gun Control. (They were floating that one quickly; that's one of the reasons I quickly zeroed onto the Trap aspect. Pax's breakdown proved the Trap.) It was a setup. Rally organizer is a Leftist; on Blue Territory; Mayor is Antifa; Govenor is Alt-Left supporter. The fact only one person died at the scene is sort of amazing.


@32 Cail Corishev

Cvill doesn't happen under a Hillary Admin. They'd have used a Christian group for their PsyOps. All of the systems they've activated were designed to wipe Christians out of the public sphere. There's a reason the WBC has vanished. They were Deep State funded.

It probably wouldn't have been a rally, but they'd have found someone to setup to shoot up an Abortion Clinic or something like that. Cville is the culmination of a lot of preplanning, but the specific event was, mostly, unimportant.

Actually, this is pretty much a replay of Sandy Hook, though the locals for Sandy Hook completely f'd up the situation. They had to slather that situation with as much bad information as possible, because there's one question no one wants to answer: by the official timeline, most of those children should have still been alive, so who left 10 children to bleed to death in a classroom?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 20, 2017 9:07 AM  

"Defend American History is clearly a massively winning issue for him"

"Defend American Heritage" might be more triggering to the media, while meaning basically the same thing to the average American.

"You would think there was a massacre in Charlottesville from the way the media engaged the narrative. I wonder if incitement of a massacre was not what was planned and the one death was enough to start the media assault. Sounds crazy, I know"

They were probably hoping for some serious injuries/ deaths, at any rate. The initial attack by the police was staged in such a way as to maximize conflict. They pushed the nationalists out of Lee Park to the south-- into a street that was packed with Communists, rather than to the north, into an empty, police-controlled street.

"You know, I guess I'm still just naive but I honestly thought the total abandonment of the "muh Russia" narrative would be noted a lot more than it has. Not in the media, obviously - but these assholes were literally calling a sitting President a traitor and working to impeach him based on what was basically just a DNC fanfiction that the media decided to push."

What happens with any hoax crime ever, when the narrative falls apart? The media just stop talking about it. Into the memory hole it goes, and they move on to the next one. The Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for example. Also, they did the same thing for a period of about 5 weeks after the Syria "gas baby" cruise missile attack. Just stopped talking about the Russia conspiracy theory completely. Then they picked it up again as if nothing had happened.

"That damaged bust of Lincoln can make a better meme than anticipated."

Yeah. Incidentally, the Lincoln statue was attacked by the Workers World Party. Communists. Kind of a Maoist/ Trot hybrid. Founded by (((Sam Ballan))), aka "Sam Marcy," back in 1959. They split with the Socialist Workers Party because, among other issues, they felt that the SWP had not been enthusiastic enough in supporting the Soviet invasion of Hungary. Like the Spartacus League/ ICL, they tend to specialize in street demonstrations an similar activities.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Workers_World_Party

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 20, 2017 9:09 AM  

Slightly off-topic, looks like the alt-left might see a split or a schism from what I saw on this Youtube clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5FR6fJyks

Blogger Timmy3 August 20, 2017 9:11 AM  

Trump seems to be further isolated. His withdrawal from the Kennedy awards is one such retreat that had bad implications. Will Trump have to further "recuse" himself from common Presidential ceremonies that Obama exploited to elevate his standing? Trump still has a bully pulpit and he'll use it.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 20, 2017 9:12 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:At each step, the authorities took the action most likely to cause an explosion.

Indeed. I'm sure they were certain, just CERTAIN, that there would be gunfire from the right. And that would be just what they wanted (their lefty victims having played their part as useful idiots). Thus displaying that they don't understand us at all; yet again.

Blogger Cary August 20, 2017 9:13 AM  

What seemed strategically smart to me in Trump's response was not just defending the confederate monuments as much as suggesting the idea of Washington and Jefferson next. This was bait to the SJWs to double down and expand their attacks, which they have promptly done.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 20, 2017 9:16 AM  

@36 Cail Corishev

Per Pax's diagram, they setup an explicit Pincer maneuver. This is why the complete lack of Overwatch lead to such problems. They blocked them from the North & East, driving them South & West, into two waiting packs of Alt-Left Goons.

Related, the car driver will probably plead to some manslaughter charge with institutional assignment. VA has a "temporary insanity" defense, and the man was booted from the military for mental issues.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 20, 2017 9:18 AM  

@45 Francis Parker Yockey

That should be "Spartacist League."

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 20, 2017 9:20 AM  

I just love seeing (some of) the remaining whites in the Dem party trying desperately to change the tack of the party back towards Econ to try to retain the white working class. To no avail of course, as they've unleashed a monster that is out of control.

Of course they'll somehow blame the right for this. They will never learn.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 9:33 AM  

Militia was "supposed" to open fire and kill Antifa.

Or even better, on the cops who inexplicably refused to arrest them for nonviolent refusal to follow orders, and were pushing them into an ambush. In that situation, I'd think your mind would have to flash to places like Kent State and Tiananmen Square, and you'd start wondering if you're going to have to shoot your way out.

There's no question at all that it was a setup. But was it a setup just to make the Alt-Right look bad, or were they going for the whole enchilada?

(NB: I know Kent State wasn't the straightforward massacre of innocents we've been taught; just saying it's a well-known example that would come to mind.)

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2017 9:39 AM  

"...Republican establishment figures are scurrying to line up in defense of antifa."


Why wouldn't they? They're both fake and both clearly controlled by the Globalist establishment.

Remember how the Republican establishment was concerned about the dangerous Tea Party? No such concerns about antifa is there? Whoever the media attacks is usually a sign of a legitimately independent organization.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 9:53 AM  

suggesting the idea of Washington and Jefferson next.

Yes, especially since it's not even a rhetorical question. They have been calling for the destruction of icons like those for years, for the same reason they burned the statue of Lincoln in Chicago and defaced the statue of St. Junipero Serra, who baptized thousands of American Indians. They'll probably tear down the statue of Mark Twain in Hannibal, Missouri, one of these days because Huckleberry Finn. It's not about the Confederacy or slavery or racism; that was just an easy starting target because the mostly-white Antifa could get blacks out in front doing the PR. Ultimately, every icon of Western civilization has to be destroyed.

Blogger Robert What? August 20, 2017 9:55 AM  

Does it really matter whether the Republicans win the mid term elections or not? The congressional Republicans seem to just do whatever the Democrats want.

Blogger Robert What? August 20, 2017 9:59 AM  

People here who insist on disavowing Nazis are missing the point. In the eyes of the Left we are all Nazis. Disavow to your hearts content. It won't make a damn bit of difference.

Blogger SouthRon August 20, 2017 10:03 AM  

This is about getting the Nazis to drop the cosplay and the drama, or else go do their own thing elsewhere.

It's about more than that and it's about exactly what Lucas missed. Lucas still lumped the Nazis in with the Right.

It's not about our getting our non-swastika panties in a wad over swastika panties.

It's about showing to all and sundry that Nazis and other National Socialists have always been creatures of the Left and ejecting them from even playing at being part of The Right, much less the Alt Right.

Just like Vox pointing out the falsity of the Religious War narrative has utterly defanged that as an attack vector, pointing out that Nazi's are leftists will shortly defang that as an attack vector on the Right.

Charlottesville was red-on-red action attempting appear as red-on-blue and to paint the Right into a corner. Except for the brain-damaged and leftist cities, it has backfired and no amount of black pilling will deter us.

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 20, 2017 10:03 AM  

@26. Lucas Evans
It isn't about sending signals to the left. It's about cleaning house. Swastika Flags, Nazi Salutes and "Blood and Soil" chants are bad and outdated optics. The Sweden Democrats or LePen stopped being fringe wierdos when they stopped turning off the center right voters with bad optics. Activism organisations like Generation Identity do this remarkably well because Nazi insults are irrelevant and fail to stick without the presence of swastika flags. LRAPing as Nazi or posting Kekistan flags is fun on 4chan and twitter but fails to translate to victories in the real world.

I think the Fabian tactics you mention are a good idea. The Antifa presence in Hamburg at G20 summit was a massive victory for the german right. As were all the BLM race riots in the USA. But, this is not the only way. Since most of the Antifa cells, BLM and other left-wing "protest" groups are founded, we have the option of engaging into a conflict of attrition that targets their founding.

Overall the alt right has two good options for street presence. Provoking Antifa violence makes people hate our enemies and photo ops (generation Identity is good at this aswell) moralize our side. I thought that 500 people marching through Charlottesville with tiki torches chanting "you will not replace us" was extremely powerful. The racist reactions made it even better.

@19. American Spartan
I agree. Having good voter ID laws in place should secure Florida. I'm not so sure
For 2020: I think the most telling thing will be who the Dems decide to run. Running against a latino women will be tough because dems would threaten to flip Texas/Arizona/Florida. Dems have a good chance at winning the absolute majority but Trumps big advantage in the EC will trump it.
About Midterms: The Base is going to decide midterms. I can't see #resist energizing dems enough to beat energized maga reps.

In WW2 the Allies managed to stop their losses in late 1941 but didn't start winning until early 1943. I feel that the (Alt-)Right is in a similar situation.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 20, 2017 10:11 AM  

"I'm sure they were certain, just CERTAIN, that there would be gunfire from the right."

Everything that I read on nationalist sites prior to the rally emphasized the "do not bring firearms" aspect. The OathCucks, and other controlled opposition, can get away with this (and it's legal in Virginia, of course), but it doesn't really fit with the peaceful demonstration meme (plus they were aware of the risk of an incident that the media could play up).

"Here's a chilling thought for the day: how would Hillary have used Charlottesville? Maybe not for a gun grab, since there were no shootings."

They were hoping for shootings, though. The primary focus would likely have been on "hate speech" laws. Look at what the actual response was under Trump-- a coordinated effort to take out all real right wing sites, through a combination of hacking, cutting off revenue streams, a very heavy volume of DDoSing, and in the case of DS/ Anglin, unpersoning-- straight out banning from the interwebz. Even the Gab app was banned from Google Play. The very idea of a platform devoted to free speech is problematic in the current year.

Under Hillary, there would have been a formal government attack on the 1st Amendment in addition to the corporate one. There's been a pretty clear progression here: the promotion of the "hate speech" meme, the constant characterization of right wing speech as "violence," the promotion of the "fake news" meme (before it was hijacked), etc. The message has been "free speech is dangerous."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_mXYAcqcY

"This is not about signaling against them."

Intentionally or not, it's about promoting the same false narrative of the Charlottesville rally that the legacy media promotes: "Oy vey, da ebil not-sees! And muh KKK! Shut It Down!"

The legacy media just has to present you with a photo or two of a taboo symbol, and bam!-- guaranteed spergout/ purity spiraling hysteria. Kinda makes it easy for them, doesn't it?

Blogger DeploraBard August 20, 2017 10:12 AM  

Ribert,
Disavowing won't make a difference, but eliminating the Nazi optics will. They are counterproductive and aid the left. People can do whatever they please for now, but their failure to realize they will never be taken seriously due to the association with them reveals their immature ego is larger than loyalty to the fight.

Blogger Cary August 20, 2017 10:13 AM  

Does it really matter whether the Republicans win the mid term elections or not?

It does if a couple of the cucks can be defeated in the primaries. This will scare the others to finally get in line. They are not profiles in courage

Blogger DonReynolds August 20, 2017 10:26 AM  

The Alamo was a tactical defeat that cost 186 men. At Goliad, Col. Fannin surrendered 500 Texians and they were summarily butchered. Which tactical defeat had the most impact?

Pearl Harbor was certainly a tactical defeat.

There will be defeats and there will be losses so dear that we cannot bear, even at the moment of ultimate victory. Defeats bring shame and humiliation and the resolve to avoid new defeats, if we can. Victory does not return what was lost. There is a price to be paid and we should expect to pay it.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 20, 2017 10:33 AM  

After seeing this almost 24 hours after Bannon returns to Breitbart, I know that his leaving the WH wasn't a setback:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/19/report-powerful-gop-donor-sheldon-adelson-supports-campaign-to-oust-mcmaster/

They wouldn't have posted that if he wasn't in the driver's seat.

Blogger ZhukovG August 20, 2017 10:37 AM  

We did not disavow or purge the PEOPLE who have associated themselves with National Socialism or Nazi symbology.

We have disavowed and purged the LEFTIST National Socialist ideology and the use of this ANTI AMERICAN movement's symbols and slogans.

We welcome the people who, I hope mistakenly, adhered to these bankrupt ideas and symbols. We want their energy and enthusiasm in support of AMERICAN NATIONALISM(in the USA) as presented in the '16 Points of the Alt-Right'.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 20, 2017 10:39 AM  

/pol/ found that lone C-Ville Nazi with the brand new flag with the crisp fold creases in the middle of anti-Free Speech Boston crowd.

Blogger VD August 20, 2017 10:46 AM  

People here who insist on disavowing Nazis are missing the point. In the eyes of the Left we are all Nazis. Disavow to your hearts content. It won't make a damn bit of difference.

You clearly don't understand how this works. It is ALREADY making a difference.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 20, 2017 10:48 AM  

qualitycontrol wrote:In WW2 the Allies managed to stop their losses in late 1941 but didn't start winning until early 1943. I feel that the (Alt-)Right is in a similar situation.

Think in terms of insurgency. The allies were always the stronger party in ww2..they just had to buy the time needed to mobilise. We are the weaker party, and our enemies are the ones with the resources to mobilise. They are going to get stronger, relative to us for a while to come.

As per the insurgency concept, this is our Long March. We got encircled had our asses kicked and our base areas were overrun, and now we are forced back into our deep rear areas to rebuild.




Our currenty position is more akin to the Long March in the chinese civil war. We got our asses kicked, suffered terrible losses and are now forced back to deep rear base areas.

Blogger DonReynolds August 20, 2017 10:48 AM  

@37 tuberman
"NAW, Africa is a huge continent, so send the lesbians there, and the Trans-whatever...plenty of room."

Somehow people got the impression that Liberia was a small country, like a county in New England, when actually it has roughly the same land area as Arizona. Yes, there is plenty of room.

Blogger ZhukovG August 20, 2017 10:51 AM  

@Whitey Whiteman III: Not surprising. I have long suspected that the most ardent defenders of National Socialism and its symbols are either very ignorant or on Soros' payroll.

Note how many 'new names' showed up at this blog alone to defend the use of Nazi symbols. Note how they parroted the same 'the Left will call us Nazi's anyway' BS excuse no matter how many times we explained that it was about how on the fence 'normies' saw it.

Once again, WE DON'T CARE what The Globalist Left thinks, they are our enemies. We do care what the average American thinks because we want them to join us in the fight against The Globalists.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 20, 2017 10:56 AM  

@68 Dirtnapninja

Some subtleties:
1) It was only some of "us", which is what caused the problem in the first place.
2) This was done in DEEP enemy territory. Doolittle's Raiders weren't failures, even if they did no damage.
3) They aren't as strong as they think they are, otherwise Trump would have lost.
4) This is a multi-party struggle with very complex regional & ideological lines. Many of which can shift.


One thing we should probably take from this: Churches, and Christian in general, are targets soon after. There's bound to be some Christian groups that are more than interested in building parallel infrastructure. We just need to find them.

Anonymous BBGKB August 20, 2017 11:21 AM  

When the car driver walks because of the 5 extra sec of video seen at VDARE (narrative collapse article) of CTRL-ALT-Left hitting his car and smashing his window leftists will react worse than when Officer Wilson walked from shooting Gentle Mike who was beating up a liquor store clerk when FAKE NEWS said he was a church.

Pardoning Sheriff Joe would send his poll numbers to nearly 100% approval rating.

He should pardon the bird sanctuary people, at least 17 paid govt informants (including the guy running security and mama jugs in the truck with the guy killed) and only 8 arrests.

a liberal magazine. “If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”

Telling them is just mean. The smarter ones will see the mistakes but will be called racist. Explaining to someone why a shaved head lesbian stabbed a cops horse for sharia wont help them sleep at night if they are a leftist.

Sounds crazy, I know, but commies do not shy away from sacrificing their

Rally organizer Kessler is a jew, Baked Alaska is not his comrade.

Nazi larper want to be evil

If they want leftists to think they are evil, leftists know WHITE LIVES MATTER has never been sprayed by a rabbi.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 20, 2017 11:21 AM  

Related, some dark humor.

We've found three valuable weapons against Antifa: calling them "Alt-Left", a job and Dodge Chargers.

OpenID aew51183 August 20, 2017 11:46 AM  

The Left just "own-goaled" over this weekend by violently protesting against the first amendment. The MSM was caught pants-down in a lie claiming the rally was "white supremacist" when a key speaker was a Hindi senate candidate, publicly doubling-down defending a domestic terror group with orwellian headlines like "peace through violence", and "scare-quoting" the phrase free speech.

The left squandered the perfect straw-man the Alt-Retard gave to them with Charlottesville and took an all-in media down with them.

Blogger Polynices August 20, 2017 11:48 AM  

Trump is a supreme marketer above almost any other talent (that's how he made his last name worth literally billions of dollars). I assume he is planning to use wall construction for political advantage. So expect ground breaking ceremonies and announcements of progress when it is politically advantageous -- i.e. when voting is happening, which means next Spring for primaries, at the earliest.

Blogger Elder Son August 20, 2017 12:02 PM  

People here who insist on disavowing Nazis are missing the point. In the eyes of the Left we are all Nazis. Disavow to your hearts content. It won't make a damn bit of difference.

Sure. Prove it to the rest of the world, the court of public opinion, by your silence, lack of disavowing, and counter actions. Just let the rest of the world actually believe we a Nazi's. No harm, no foul, right?

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 20, 2017 12:07 PM  

Elder Son wrote:Sure. Prove it to the rest of the world, the court of public opinion, by your silence, lack of disavowing, and counter actions. Just let the rest of the world actually believe we a Nazi's. No harm, no foul, right?

The point of disavowing the Nazis is ultimately not about signalling to our enemies. Its about refusing to have anything to do with a group of people who are riddled with informants, losers, degenerates and addicts. A group of people with a consistent history of failure and a refusal to learn from mistakes.

We are also signalling to normies that we are not those people...we are something better, something aspirational.

Blogger kurt9 August 20, 2017 12:18 PM  

A lot of this is how Nixon was elected in '68 and re-elected in '72, despite being a time when Americans were overwhelmingly liberal. Nixon won because people were sick of the riots, the left-wing student protests, and the rising crime of the time. The Democrats kept both houses because, as Tip O''neill said, all politics is local, and the congressional democrats at the time were all solid New-Deal labor-oriented Democrats who were at odds with the flaky New Left that helped Nixon win.

The difference today is that all of the New Deal Democrats have long since departed this Earth and the flaky new left Democrats have taken their place.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 20, 2017 12:21 PM  

How could Spencer not see through the ruse? Didn't he work with the leftist organizing everything. He didn't do a background check?

I'm not saying I would have done better. Not at all. However we have to start being wary of plants and moles. It seems like Spencer would have been aware.

OpenID aew51183 August 20, 2017 12:23 PM  

Rumors on twattor that the GOP are now demanding "enhanced fencing and sensors" rather than a wall.
The Saudis and Israelis use double-fences w/ sensors and guards for the bulk of their borders, so it stands to reason Trump has them asking for exactly what he wanted in the first place.

Add to that the fact a concrete or steel wall would take 50 years to build at projected construction paces i've seen, and it makes even more sense.

Art of the deal in action.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 20, 2017 12:28 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:people got the impression that Liberia was a small country, like a county in New England, when actually it has roughly the same land area as Arizona. Yes, there is plenty of room.
You'd still not be able to support the return of all African-Americans there, save for the fact that they'd be killing and eating each other within weeks even if you supplied food.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright August 20, 2017 12:33 PM  

Manassas, which has huge battlefield memorial parks, just canceled their yearly Civil War Day, with tours and reenactments, out of security concerns.

And we know who they are afraid of...it's not the Alt Right who is going to disturb a Civil War Day.

Blogger roughcoat August 20, 2017 1:03 PM  

aew51183 wrote:Rumors on twattor that the GOP are now demanding "enhanced fencing and sensors" rather than a wall.

The Saudis and Israelis use double-fences w/ sensors and guards for the bulk of their borders, so it stands to reason Trump has them asking for exactly what he wanted in the first place.

Add to that the fact a concrete or steel wall would take 50 years to build at projected construction paces i've seen, and it makes even more sense.

Art of the deal in action.


I don't want some bullshit barbed wire fence so they'd better not be thinking along the lines of "token symbol for as cheap as possible".

It absolutely would not take 50 years to build a real wall. That's retarded, and the people pushing it are lying, just like they're lying when they claim it's some massive technical challenge. I've seen what can happen in rough country overnight in mining. It would take at most a couple years to physically secure the border.

However, I don't think some solid wall is the right approach anyway. I think we need multiple rows of high, razorwire topped chain link, some kind of moat (it can be empty) and/or other anti-vehicle barrier to stop vehicles from approaching from the south at speed, and a road between the layers of fence for border patrol vehicles. It doesn't make sense to block visibility across the border, which is why I don't want a solid wall, and the listed obstacles would slow people down enough for a patrol or response team to react to the attempted penetration.

This is not a difficult problem to solve at all. The difficulty is finding people with the will and balls to actually do it.

OpenID tonsplace August 20, 2017 1:24 PM  

Hesco basket walls get the job done, in a hurry and on a budget

https://www.hesco.com/products/defensive-barriers/

Course that's just the basics. Various improvements can build on the initial barrier

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 1:31 PM  

The Saudis and Israelis use double-fences w/ sensors and guards for the bulk of their borders,

Right. Everyone with a brain knew that "Wall" meant "barrier that stops illegals." It'll depend on the geography, and some places may need a solid wall. But a double razor-wire fence like Israel uses is a lot easier to patrol, since you can see through it, and a lot harder to cross. If the cucks think they'll get a rhetorical win over Trump by insisting on a Wall you can see through, they're dumber than I thought. And I'm not sure that's possible anymore.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 20, 2017 1:34 PM  

I don't want some bullshit barbed wire fence so they'd better not be thinking along the lines of "token symbol for as cheap as possible".

@83 roughcoat
We'll most likely need to kick a few Democrats out of the Senate in 2018 to give us enough padding to get Trump's agenda through there, to account for the RINOs. 52 ain't enough.

On the bright side, Trump's tough talk and enforcement IS the virtual wall, considering how illegal immigration and even having anchor babies (according to the CDC NCHS statistics) have dropped bigly. We'll need the real Wall in case a Democrat gets elected President of course.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 20, 2017 1:35 PM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 August 20, 2017 1:37 PM  

The point of disavowing the Nazis is ultimately not about signalling to our enemies. Its about refusing to have anything to do with a group of people who are riddled with informants, losers, degenerates and addicts. A group of people with a consistent history of failure and a refusal to learn from mistakes.

@77 Dirtnapninja
It's also about keeping Gammas out of your movement. Which is what the Nazi/KKK Alt-Retard is, basically... and I'm including the federal informants.

Anonymous Ain August 20, 2017 1:38 PM  

"Never confuse a tactical defeat, like the ambush rally in Charlottesville, with a strategic one."

The essence of 4g.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 1:39 PM  

It absolutely would not take 50 years to build a real wall.

Yeah, that's laughable. The Romans built an 11-mile wall around Alesia, then another 13-mile wall outside that one, in a month or so. Without any power tools. There were also trenches, pits, sharpened stakes, and other nasty surprises.

Blogger Chris McCullough August 20, 2017 4:03 PM  

Razorfist pointed out on his stream that the guy in Cville waving the swastika is the same guy in every photo of nazis at the rally. And the only one he was seen talking to was the driver.

Blogger roughcoat August 20, 2017 4:26 PM  

The Transcontinental Railroad only took six years... 150 years ago. It's a lot more technically difficult to build a functional railroad than to erect a wall.

We could probably hire ~10,000 fresh high school graduates one summer--using older men as foremen--and build the whole wall in one shot in 3 months. Mostly by hand. It'd probably take a few months prep for surveying and for heavy equipment crews to build access roads and stockpile materials and stuff beforehand of course.

This is the kind of shit the army does just to keep infantry occupied when nothing else is going on. I strung plenty of wire, filled plenty of sandbags, and did any number of other menial labor tasks in my time. I have in fact spent time mixing concrete and setting posts. It's not rocket surgery.

Anonymous BBGKB August 20, 2017 4:43 PM  

Hesco basket walls get the job done, in a hurry and on a budget

We should be pushing this on gab because they are Gabion walls.

A gabion (from Italian gabbione meaning "big cage"; from Italian gabbia and Latin cavea meaning "cage") is a cage, cylinder, or box filled with rocks, concrete, or sometimes sand and soil for use in civil engineering

Blogger Robert What? August 20, 2017 4:53 PM  

I suspect that most of the people who identify themselves as Nazis have given zero thought to the complex economic, social and military implications of that. They are just White identarians who think that Nazism is cool.

Anonymous Robert the Wise August 20, 2017 5:50 PM  

Since the "50 years to build a wall" canard has already been debunked by others, I'll get right to the other pile of BS: the see-through wall. A wall that can you can see through is a wall that the bad guys can shoot you through. A chain link fence, or similar, will provide zero cover when the Mexican Mafia starts shooting at you.

Of course, you would build catwalks (I forget the technical term) at the top of the wall on your side. Being on top of a fifty to one hundred foot wall gives you better visibility than being on the ground behind a chain link fence.

The wall was never meant to be built and ignored. Obviously, the wall needs to be manned and defended just as walls and castles have been for the last 10,000 years. Simply look at ANY fortification going back to ancient times. None were built to keep people out without human defenders. Do you even history, bro?

People talking about the necessity of a see-through wall make me wonder if they're mentally retarded or just stupid.

And big concrete walls seem to work just fine for the Israelis.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 20, 2017 5:55 PM  

Robert What? wrote:I suspect that most of the people who identify themselves as Nazis have given zero thought to the complex economic, social and military implications of that. They are just White identarians who think that Nazism is cool.
My experience is that it's mostly a giant "Screw you!" to the people who have lied to them their entire lives and want them to just hurry up and die out already.

Blogger roughcoat August 20, 2017 6:06 PM  

Run the numbers on what it takes to man a 2000 mile wall, in terms of manpower and ongoing logistics. Now run the numbers on what it takes to just patrol the wall, and use QRF and the occasional permanent elevated machinegun nest 200 yards behind the wall for point defense and capture operations. Do you even math, bro?

A wall they can't shoot through is a wall you can't shoot through, or see through, either, moron. This isn't the 14th century, it's the gunpowder age, and sticking huge bulletproof barriers that ruin your line of sight and create massive dead zones in your field of fire--which you then need 100x the manpower to overcome--is absolutely idiotic.

I don't give a shit what the Israelis do. Their situation is completely different, both militarily and politically. It does not apply here.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 20, 2017 6:22 PM  

roughcoat wrote:Run the numbers on what it takes to man a 2000 mile wall, in terms of manpower and ongoing logistics.
Approximately 1 division.
We could bring the manpower home from Korea and actually save money.
roughcoat wrote:This isn't the 14th century, it's the gunpowder age, and sticking huge bulletproof barriers that ruin your line of sight and create massive dead zones in your field of fire--which you then need 100x the manpower to overcome--is absolutely idiotic.
No, an elevated position is better than flat terrain for both field of view and field of fire. Walls went out of fashion because ARTILLERY make them moot. If the Mexicans bring artillery, we have a different problem to address and a lot more dead Mexicans to bury.

Blogger bosscauser August 20, 2017 6:22 PM  

Only REPUBLICANS can stop the wall. They have the votes.
Trump will run against them ala primaries...
Big win!

Blogger roughcoat August 20, 2017 6:35 PM  

Come on man. The US-Mexico border is about 2000 miles. A division is 15-20k men. You couldn't even keep eyes on the whole wall 24/7 with a division, and you sure as hell couldn't handle the logistics to supply them and keep the wall maintained.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2017 6:37 PM  

People talking about the necessity of a see-through wall

No one is. We said a serious fence can be as good or better than a solid wall, depending on the situation. The Israelis use a combination, fences some places, solid concrete (with wire on top) in others.

We're not talking about something you can go through with some snips of the bolt cutters like a prison-break movie. Check out the Israel/Egypt border fence: 25 feet high, lots of razor wire, and electrified. They're not in that picture, but there are guard towers spaced along it, which you'll have to have with any fence/wall. It's working great.

Use what makes sense for the terrain and situation, and stop the traffic. After that, if someone wants to sperg out over whether it fits his definition of Wall, that's his business, but no one's going to care.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 20, 2017 6:58 PM  

roughcoat wrote:You couldn't even keep eyes on the whole wall 24/7 with a division, and you sure as hell couldn't handle the logistics to supply them and keep the wall maintained.
Why waste manpower with physical eyes?
Guard station every 20-100 miles, depending on terrain, stationary cameras, sensors, drones and patrols.
It could easily be done with a division, unless you feel some weird need for a tower with a belt-fed machine gun every 1/2 mile.

Anonymous reactionaryguy August 20, 2017 7:58 PM  

NPR/PBS had the following results (support):

white supramacists 4%
white nationalists 4%
alt-right 6%
anti-fa 5%

from other sources:
blm 45%
trump 42%
socialism 35%

also
id guess sjw around 20-30%

Anonymous Andrew Anglin August 20, 2017 11:16 PM  

really? Here's Trumpenthal's latest tweet, re Boston:

"I want to applaud the many protesters in Boston who are speaking out against bigotry and hate. Our country will soon come together as one!"

VD's God-Emperor...has shed his clothes.

Anonymous cl August 21, 2017 3:33 AM  

Another poll here, not quite as optimistic: https://www.statista.com/chart/10747/sharp-racial-divide-over-robert-e-lee-statue/

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2017 3:54 AM  

Who"s to say that Spencer himself isn't a plant?

Hew teams up with Obama-supporter/worker Kessler and earlier , let a couple of Jews into his conference who then start giving Nazi salutes and maku g sure to get photographed, and didn't get the pictures destroyed before those photos got on the web.

He's either the biggest idiot on the planet, or he's a plant. Where is he getting his $$$ from?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 22, 2017 8:28 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:Somehow people got the impression that Liberia was a small country, like a county in New England, when actually it has roughly the same land area as Arizona. Yes, there is plenty of room.

Yes, and it's their room. Let us send them to their room.

Poretto did a short story in which criminal welfare receipients were given a choice of deportation via container ship or immediate execution. It's not a terrible idea.

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