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Tuesday, August 22, 2017

The art of the sucker

The God-Emperor's top aides are trying to play him the way Reagan and Thatcher were played:
Trump aides plot a big immigration deal — that breaks a campaign promise. Donald Trump’s top aides are pushing him to protect young people brought into the country illegally as children — and then use the issue as a bargaining chip for a larger immigration deal — despite the president’s campaign vow to deport so-called Dreamers.

The White House officials want Trump to strike an ambitious deal with Congress that offers Dreamers protection in exchange for legislation that pays for a border wall and more detention facilities, curbs legal immigration and implements E-verify, an online system that allows businesses to check immigration status, according to a half-dozen people familiar with situation, most involved with the negotiations.

The group includes former and current White House chiefs of staff, Reince Priebus and John Kelly, the president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner, who both serve as presidential advisers, they said. Others who have not been as vocal publicly about their stance but are thought to agree include Vice President Mike Pence, who as a congressman worked on a failed immigration deal that called for citizenship, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn, a Democrat who serves as director of the National Economic Council.

“They are holding this out as a bargaining chip for other things,” said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman with the Federation for American Reform, a group that opposes protecting Dreamers and is in talks with the administration.

On the other side, a smaller group — including Attorney General Jeff Sessions and his former aides, Stephen Miller, who serves as Trump’s senior policy adviser, and Rick Dearborn, White House deputy chief of staff — opposes citizenship, according to sources familiar with the discussions.
An ambitious immigration deal with Congress. That sounds familiar, how did that work out in 1986? It's rather remarkable that an experienced negotiator like Donald Trump doesn't seem to fully grasp the way in which everything else he does will be rendered entirely moot by giving in on immigration. This would appear to be a crucial nexus, and if handled incorrectly, has the potential to serve as his own "No New Taxes" moment, which you will recall sank a George Bush who had previously been riding very high in the polls and was widely expected to win reelection.

If Trump doesn't build the wall and maintain a hard line on immigration, he will not win the 2020 election, as he will lose the base that has remained loyal to him throughout. It's literally the one thing he cannot afford to do, which is why he should immediately fire any adviser, from his daughter on down, who is advising him to throw away his core support in pursuit of a mirage and approval from the Left that will never come.

Never abandon your base. Never abandon your core. If you do not understand this, you are absolutely guaranteed failure.

This really isn't that hard. 1) Build the Wall. 2) They have to go back.

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145 Comments:

Blogger Phat Repat August 22, 2017 11:16 AM  

This isn't too shocking. As I've stated frequently, unless and until the FinSys ($IMFS) fails (as I believe it will), there will be no 'incentive' to return those less, uh, capable.

Now where's my pi$$ boy; Snively Dipslash, I've told you frequently, wait for the shake.

Anonymous George August 22, 2017 11:18 AM  

President Trump needs to realize that if the Dems were in his position there would never be compromises.

You can't increase the Democrat voter base by legalized these Illegals. It's a losing strategy.

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 22, 2017 11:19 AM  

I trust on Trumps instincts more than anything. But to be sure about this. People need to show up at every Rally Trump holds, every Public appearance and write to the white house and to their represantatives. And they need to chant "BUILD THE WALL, BUILD THE WALL, ..." to show Trump that the Wall is the single most important issue for his base.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 22, 2017 11:20 AM  

That is surprising. Ira Mehlman is the good guy in this story.

Anonymous trev006 August 22, 2017 11:21 AM  

Trump isn't a complete idiot. He tried the carrot: it's time for the stick. Grab some Dreamers and chuck them back. If they want to keep not having a deal, keep deporting every illegal you get your hands on. Save the databases. Fire anyone who resists.

Paradoxically, it might actually help build a more moderate deal.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 22, 2017 11:22 AM  

Again with Ivanka and Jared. If she had married a WASP and marketed herself as to the right of her father, she would have been virtually guaranteed the presidency in 2024.

Anonymous DissidentRight August 22, 2017 11:22 AM  

MAGA will continue on with or without Trump.

Still, if Trump capitulates on immigration, he still mortally wounded Fake News. That makes him greatest President in living memory.

And who knows, even if he capitulates, he might change his mind back.

Anonymous Jessica Sandton August 22, 2017 11:30 AM  

Quite surprised considering Trump's campaign promises

Blogger Phat Repat August 22, 2017 11:33 AM  

And let's not forget the baby mills that are in California and assorted locations on the East Coast. They're handing out birthright citizenship like candy. And these prego women go to our consulates for their Visa interviews and get waved right on through. Sure, these 'citizenships' can be nullified with the stroke of a pen, however, who has the nads for that? Certainly not Trump at this point. Until the $IMFS fails, this ship won't be righted.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 22, 2017 11:33 AM  

I think this might be one issue where having bannon physically in the West wing would make a big difference

Anonymous Jessica Sandton August 22, 2017 11:34 AM  

Quite surprising considering Trump's campaign promises

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 22, 2017 11:35 AM  

And let's not forget the baby mills that are in California and assorted locations on the East Coast. They're handing out birthright citizenship like candy. And these prego women go to our consulates for their Visa interviews and get waved right on through.

And the Kushner family companies make a fortune selling investment opportunities to this same group of Chinese.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 22, 2017 11:36 AM  


It's never a good idea to involve family in business. Trump may have gotten luck there. It's definitely a bad idea in politics, too, and the few missteps thus far were ideas his daughter promoted: not punishing Hillary, bombing Syria, and firing Bannon. I trust the GE's instincts completely but his kid may be his Achilles Heel.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant PK Subban Bobble-head-off-the-ice Courtesy of NHL Hockey Master and Supreme Commander Sir Sidney Crosby August 22, 2017 11:38 AM  

This is where Trump's lack of training in biblical Christianity comes into play. When operating in such dark valleys as DC and trying to legitimately reform, EVERYTHING will be a dark conspiracy coming your way ESPECIALLY from the ones closest, such as family.

He simply can't see through any of this.

I honestly believe that he, along with celebrity-worship Bannon, thought that the DC and corporate establishment would play along because of muh conservative voters. Now, it may be too late, though I certainly hope it isn't.

Anonymous Jessica Sandton August 22, 2017 11:38 AM  

Quite surprising considering Trump's campaign promises

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 11:40 AM  

Every mile of Wall built will be a "bargaining chip" to force the globalists to come to the table with real concessions of their own on immigration and trade. You don't start negotiations with concessions of your own, and he knows that. It's okay to let other people go around saying they think you will, though, if it gets others off their guard.

This looks like an attempt at narrative building by telling us something we already knew -- some of his people are soft on immigration, or soft in the head, or just plain soft -- as if it's news.

Blogger pyrrhus August 22, 2017 11:42 AM  

Unbelievable...but yet entirely believable. Ivanka needs to leave the WH and have babies, or something.....

Blogger The Deuce August 22, 2017 11:42 AM  

You know, I wouldn't be averse to an amnesty-for-enforcement deal. There's just one thing I'd want to be different from previous ones: Instead of the amnesty taking place now with the enforcement promised later, we do it the other way around.

Enforcement now, and when that's completely implemented, we pinky-swear to do the amnesty later. I mean, if we feel like it.

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 11:45 AM  

This will tell us a lot. Trump's rhetoric on immigration, and I listened to all the rallies, never struck me as ironclad. I've felt for a long time that the hardliners were hearing what they wanted to hear. I heard "big, beautiful door" and "we don't want to harm businesses" and "we want people to come in, lots of people".

Anonymous Battlefrog August 22, 2017 11:46 AM  

Biggest mistake Trump has made so far is turning Ivanka into the WH princess. I'm not sure how susceptible he is to "daddy please", but I really think she has to go.

Anonymous Leegin August 22, 2017 11:46 AM  

Its also possible that Trump was planning on pulling a bait and switch from the very beginning.

One odd thing that stood out for me was that Kushner only came into the picture the day after the election. You didn't see too many Goldman Sachs people around Trump during the election. Trump also stopped talking about immigration the day after the election as well. I think his image was closely crafted to display an anti-establishment candidate, while in reality he might have been planning on flip flopping on all of his promises, specially the immigration issue.

But like #7 says, the best thing that came out of this was the damage that was done to Fake news. They will never regain their credibility ever again.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 11:49 AM  

Quite surprising considering Trump's campaign promises

Hello, fellow right-wingers!

There's nothing surprising about this, not even the defeatist concern trolling right on schedule.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 22, 2017 11:50 AM  

Ivanka

Having her has an adviser is ridiculous.

As men with daughters know, it doesn't matter how old your daughter gets, a certain part of father's eye always sees the adorable little sweet pea he bounced on his knee and gave zerberts to.

He made her an adviser because he can trust her; but, never stopped to question whether or not he could trust himself when it came to her opinion.

Blogger Phat Repat August 22, 2017 11:50 AM  

And the Kushner family companies make a fortune selling investment opportunities to this same group of Chinese.

Back to the $ being above all else; God, Country, Family pfffttt Okay, 1 out of 3. It's why he/they must go back. And I don't give two shits what the womenz think; Ivanka for Prez? No, hell no, just go ahead and take her wit ya.

Blogger Rabbi B August 22, 2017 11:51 AM  

Never abandon your base. Never abandon your core. If you do not understand this, you are absolutely guaranteed failure.

Do you mind if I tweet this to the GE?

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2017 11:53 AM  

Ivanka and Jared need to be put on a Navy destroyer and sent on an around the world tour of hardship military posts.

Anonymous crushlimbraw August 22, 2017 11:55 AM  

The political wave which elected Trump preceded him - he simply rode it - quite effectively. If he defaults on his promises - the next candidate will be a bad ass who won't take any prisoners.
I have no idea who that might be, but if a political fix is impossible - civil war is a given!

Blogger Bobo #117 August 22, 2017 11:57 AM  

B.T.F.W.

Anonymous E34 August 22, 2017 11:57 AM  

Don't kid yourself. Trump will not run in 2020.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass August 22, 2017 12:00 PM  

Ivanka needs to go.

Let's see what Trump does. Time will tell. I've always felt Pence as VP was a bone to throw to the establishment.

Being from Indiana, we were all pretty livid when he cucked on RFRA.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise August 22, 2017 12:00 PM  

MAGA will continue on with or without Trump.

The movement's next leader is out there, watching the President and learning from his victories and mistakes.

It's possible that, without Trump, we will be the better for it over the long haul.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 12:02 PM  

The question is always, how isolated into their own little world do people become when they occupy such a position.

We're ruled by people who obviously inhabit such absurd "dioramas in their heads."

Trump, who already merited Murray Rothbard's observation that "all billionaires are crazy, because they're surrounded every moment by fawning sycophants who tell them their every idea defines brilliance" is either immunized to his mind-warping presence in the Oval Office or its effect is to raise that crazy to an exponent.

There's really no way to know in advance.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 22, 2017 12:05 PM  

One odd thing that stood out for me was that Kushner only came into the picture the day after the election.

Only if you hadn't been paying attention. Kushner played a big role in the campaign.

Blogger RobertT August 22, 2017 12:07 PM  

Is every Republican a liar? Or is every politician a liar. They were when I was running for Congress. Even the dog catcher variety. That's one of the things that hold them together. That's their club. They'll say anything they need to say in public. They didn't even hide it. They actually joke about it among themselves in those closed door, smoke filled rooms you used to read about. I used to sit in those rooms with them.

I began souring on Trump very early. His appointments were very shaky. Where are the heros of the movement? Sitting on the sidelines. The Secy of State will join them soon. But I held out hope beyond reason. Nothing to lose. So I waited. Where's the commitment to any campaign promises? Trump was just bright enough to learn how to win, but not smart enough to realize there are consequences for lying to his supporters. He thinks we're a bunch of hicks.

From now on Bannon is my guy.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 12:09 PM  

In real Fake News about things we didn't already know, NYT headline today: "Trump Administration Moves to Expand Deportation Dragnet to Jails."

Which might make a sensible person think: Wait, immigration officials didn't already keep an eye on the jails, or a system where they are automatically notified any time someone is brought in whose citizenship looks iffy? Well no, of course not. That would be racist or something.

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 12:11 PM  

I don't see the RAISE act happening this year without some deal. That's another 1 million invaders who eventually vote Democrat. We'll get a chance after the 2018 midterms to push through RAISE. Worth offering up 500,000 Dreamers to get the immediate 400,000 reduction in legal immigrants RAISE offers year 1? Still not sure the base will go for that.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab August 22, 2017 12:11 PM  

If Trump cucks on this he'll have doomed the country. There are simply too few Americans left to turn the tide back.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 12:12 PM  

The concern is that "Trump is a businessman."

The US Chamber of Commerce's members are busy milking the arbitrage between where the jobs are (China's manufacturing) and where the consumers are (the US.)

In this absurd Empire of Debt, consumers need not work in order to buy, and Congress need not tax in order to spend. We can have prosperity without jobs (i.e., wealth without production.)

Batshat INSANE as this is, it describes our situation perfectly. The USA creates IOUs, sends them to China (et.al.), who sends us STUFF, we consume it, and (because WTF is China going to do with IOU-dollars?) they come back here and buy up firms, intellectual property, everything but the kitchen sink.

The USA is just a big Pawn Shop.

Chamber of Commerce members get ahead by IMPORTING CONSUMERS. Each new Mestizo is a marginal customer for the arbitrage game. And if each new Somali relocated from Mogadishu to St. Paul is on LINK, so much the better. Remember, Congress need not tax in order to spend! Just as no one really gives a damn about the national debt, no one really gives a damn about how borrowed money is spent. As long as it's consumed in the USA (UK, etc) and stuff is MADE somewhere else, jobs don't matter either.

If not a single Ivy-League Ph.D. economist will discuss this (Hell, they're this criminal syndicate's biggest cheerleaders), who thinks Trump himself is going to GET it?

Blogger roughcoat August 22, 2017 12:13 PM  

Did everyone besides the obvious shills take downers today or something? The article was written by someone who says Trump "tends to side with the last person he talked to", as if he's a total simpleton. Consider the source.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 12:14 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:If Trump cucks on this he'll have doomed the country. There are simply too few Americans left to turn the tide back.

When the gravy train ends (and it must, eventually there will be nothing left to pawn), a lot of the (blank)-Americans will go back to where they feel more at home. It's the swag keeping them here now, and I suspect the cupboard is already bare...we're just awaiting the realization to hit.

Blogger Flair1239 August 22, 2017 12:15 PM  

I don't care what the acronym is. If they are here illegally, they can't stay.

Caving in this point for any return would be a Bridge too far. The people pushing this know damn well that this would neuter Trump.

I am not unsympathetic to children who were brought here through no fault of their own. We sent him there to make such difficult decisions.

Anonymous Battlefrog August 22, 2017 12:16 PM  

Leegin wrote:Its also possible that Trump was planning on pulling a bait and switch from the very beginning.

One odd thing that stood out for me was that Kushner only came into the picture the day after the election. You didn't see too many Goldman Sachs people around Trump during the election. Trump also stopped talking about immigration the day after the election as well. I think his image was closely crafted to display an anti-establishment candidate, while in reality he might have been planning on flip flopping on all of his promises, specially the immigration issue.

But like #7 says, the best thing that came out of this was the damage that was done to Fake news. They will never regain their credibility ever again.


Obvious concern trolling. I'm concerned, but you are being ridiculous.

He absolutely did not stop talking about immigration. He even introduced the RAISE act, which would significantly limit LEGAL immigration. There is no doubt in my mind that the issue is important to him personally. My main concern is that his daughter is getting to him.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 12:20 PM  

@35 Cail Corishev
Which might make a sensible person think: Wait, immigration officials didn't already keep an eye on the jails, or a system where they are automatically notified any time someone is brought in whose citizenship looks iffy? Well no, of course not. That would be racist or something.

Well, Immigration used to do that back in the last century. Then they got ordered to quit doing it. Then we got told about how impossible it was to send people back. Now they get to do that again. Plus Haitians are still running out of the US and into Canada.

Funny how these black pill articles that splash out do not necessarily reflect what is going on at the low level, isn't it? Almost like some sort of pattern or other.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 12:20 PM  

The 2018 midterms are all, to me.

If Americans are still so besotted with manic trust that they return these a-holes to office in the usual higher-than-soviet-politburo reelection rates, the baleful trends in politics will continue. A herd stoned on magic grass may sit still while being skinned alive. OTOH, a herd made restive and anxious by a contagious wave of fear will stampede at the sound of a twig snapping.

I want to see Paul Ryan and all his buddies kicked out of office, even if it's Mickey Mouse beating them in the primary (and let's face it, Disney ain't a winner these days.)

Anonymous Looking Glass August 22, 2017 12:23 PM  

The Shill is Strong with these ones.

It would appear they're trying to set this up. The fact that it's made the news means it's failing or failed and trying to support it with Fake News. Not only is the G-E not cucking, it means he's got the GOPe in a rough spot they're trying to dig out of.

The Cuck Hunt continues apace.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 12:25 PM  

@44 dc.sunsets
The 2018 midterms are all, to me.


So you don't actually take a long view of social trends?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 22, 2017 12:30 PM  

He can't afford to cuck on the wall because an extremist will take that as a cue to set a match to this powderkeg. Talk about bad optics!

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 12:36 PM  

@46 Good point. Clarification: "All to me WRT the current political circus." I wish I could stop watching this farce, but it's a hard habit to break. In the long run I'm dead, of course, but in the meantime politics (like the markets and the peaceful society in which I live) is downstream of social mood.

Mood matters. Getting lathered up too early hasn't served me well, but being five minutes late to realizing S really is HTF is probably a lousy approach, too.

There's video of a woman crying, real tears, about yesterday's eclipse. We're surrounded by dysfunctional people.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 12:37 PM  

From the article:

Ten states, led by Texas, have threatened to sue the U.S. government if it does not end the program by Sept. 5. They sent a letter, signed by nine Republican attorneys general and one Republican governor, from states including Kansas, South Carolina and Idaho. Another 20 states, led by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra urged Trump to refuse that request.

Another Supreme Court appointment would be a good thing.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 12:39 PM  

Did everyone besides the obvious shills take downers today or something?

I'm starting to feel like I need a bigger set of pom-poms.

It's good to know about these attempts to manipulate the president through narrative, though, so we can remind him where his support comes from. He clearly doesn't have many people close to him doing that.

One odd thing: another article I saw about this said Stephen Miller was "ordered" not to warn the president about this attempt to undermine him. But this one says Miller is on the anti side with Sessions et al, which makes more sense, and on what basis would they "order" him not to do his job anyway? I think this narrative needs some polishing; they may have rushed it out.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky August 22, 2017 12:40 PM  

Trump is first and foremost a brand-builder. He knows full well his brand is built on the wall, that's foundational to it. All the little kiddies and schmuks can carry on as they like, but I will very surprised if Daddy doesn't do what Daddy always has done at the end of the day -- defend the Trump brand. And that's MAGA and #BUILDWALL

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 22, 2017 12:41 PM  

@38 dc.sunsets

"The USA is just a big Pawn Shop"

Great metaphor, and an excellent rant overall.

Anonymous Stinger August 22, 2017 12:41 PM  

Well, DT already abandoned is most frequent promise: Mexico will pay for the wall. And all it took was a call with the Mexican president.

There is no taking seriously what our president says. However, this does not stem from duplicity on his part. It stems from his political naïveté and not having anyone on his campaign staff who was willing to tell him that there was no chance many of his proposals were possible.

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 12:46 PM  

Well, DT already abandoned is most frequent promise: Mexico will pay for the wall. And all it took was a call with the Mexican president.

Mexico is paying for the wall via the ongoing NAFTA re-negotiations.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 22, 2017 12:47 PM  

Sometimes, you have to settle for 90%. Getting the Barrier Wall built and proper enforcement measures implemented is critical.

My biggest worry is that we don't NEED a wall...we need a chain-link fence, about 30 feet high, tipped with barbed tape cyclone, and electrified. Why? Because you can shoot through the chain link fence. A wall means nothing unless you are prepared to kill anyone scaling it.

Blogger Cubby8126 August 22, 2017 12:48 PM  

If they want to strip away our rights when the libtards have the power, why give them more rights when we have it? Hit them harder then they hit us and BUILD. THAT. WALL.

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Blogger Frank Brady August 22, 2017 12:53 PM  

Last night's speech, along with his new-found hostility toward Russia, his continued support of U.S. aggression in Syria and Yemen, and his abject surrender on the raising the national debt, signals that he has now been officially neo-conned. This is a tragedy of immense importance and a total betrayal of those loyal supporters who've hung with him despite his changes in positions held during the campaign. The next sound you hear will be a "compromise" on the so-called "Dreamers". That will finally do it for his most devoted supporters and their spurned fury will stun the GOP.

Blogger seeingsights August 22, 2017 12:55 PM  

I wouldn't worry about the god emperor on this. The god emperor is testing us. I worked for a multi millionaire businessman and sometimes he would float bad ideas. I and other employees would go "No!" Our employer I think was really testing us in different ways (on our business judgment, dedication to the good of the firm etc). The god emperor I think is doing something similar.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 22, 2017 1:00 PM  

"Mexico will pay for the wall" - yes, they will. NAFTA renegotiation, can ya dig it?

That's the best part about Trump the Magician. The first round of talks with Canada & Mexico just ended. It's unlikely a 3-party deal happens, unless Canada stops being cucks and Mexico decides better for it. But keep going, shill, we'll get winning.


@38 dc.sunsets

One problem with a lot of your analysis is the assumption it's better in the rest of the world. The reason people accept American Debt is two fold: 1) World's Largest Military & 2) It's far worse for everyone else. The USA is more than capable of manufacturing everything it needs, minus just a few raw materials. That's the rub.

Anonymous Thales August 22, 2017 1:07 PM  

"You had one job, ONE JOB..."

Blogger Crusader Corim August 22, 2017 1:07 PM  

I am a hardline immigration guy, and if he gets RAISE in exchange for DACA, that is a massive and unconditional victory. Taking 500,000 people in exchange for a permanent reduction of 500,000 forever is huge.

Look, I would also rather get RAISE without any other concessions. Heck, I would rather shut off all immigration for the next 50 years and deport everyone.

But that position isn't here yet, and taking a good compromise makes sense.

But I would make the compromise conditional on our side first, as opposed to Reagan and Bush who allowed their side the immediate victory for the promise of our stuff later.

Blogger Quilp August 22, 2017 1:09 PM  

I don't think this is a bluff as many here do. I believe Trump is being told he, and he alone, has the opportunity to take care of the "immigration problem" for the party, and then the party will hep take care of him come 2020. Ridiculous of course, but any lie (to the president or the American people) is worth it to them for amnesty.

Am I wrong in thinking Trump is being manipulated more by Ivanka than many seem to realize. Becoming the President his little girl can be proud of, rather than anything these nasty right wingers were promised.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:11 PM  

Call the White House and express your support for Trump and ask him to KEEP his campaign promise no matter WHAT the NeverTrumpers and RINOs offer him. Remind him WE are his base, not those weasels! (You might also call the weasels and give them a bit of American mind!)

Call the President
PHONE NUMBERS
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414

The White House suggests emailing to get the info "to the White House" quicker:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Call your Senators:
https://contactsenators.com/senator-phone-numbers

Call your Reps:
https://www.house.gov/representatives/

Come, Ilk, we need to raise some serious hell!

Anonymous Panzer Man August 22, 2017 1:13 PM  

Maybe it's just the restricted view from inside my panzer, but I'll wait and see.

Being neither a massive Trump cheerleader nor a doubter, this seems like one of those "time will tell" deals. He may cuck; he may not. Afghanistan is disappointing, but who knows what will happen with immigration. Still hoping for the best and bracing for the worst.

Blogger Elizabeth August 22, 2017 1:13 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Brick Hardslab wrote:If Trump cucks on this he'll have doomed the country. There are simply too few Americans left to turn the tide back.

When the gravy train ends (and it must, eventually there will be nothing left to pawn), a lot of the (blank)-Americans will go back to where they feel more at home. It's the swag keeping them here now, and I suspect the cupboard is already bare...we're just awaiting the realization to hit.


I've thought that for years. Most third worlders have no attachment, no identification with this country - the USA is part Walmart, part ATM machine, to them. When it benefits them, they'll go back without a look backward.

The irony is that the ones born and raised in the US have been to some degree influenced by American culture. If they return to their homelands, they might not fit in well because America did change them. For example, the women are more independent and career-oriented.

Anonymous Stinger August 22, 2017 1:14 PM  

"Mexico is paying for the wall via the ongoing NAFTA re-negotiations."

Is this the narrative being used to cover up DT's political naïveté and broken promise?

It has potential...as just one more example of the ongoing backtracking. I'm shocked at the degree to which supporters of TGE are willing to hold butt cheeks akimbo while others lick up the area.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:15 PM  

@18 You know, I wouldn't be averse to an amnesty-for-enforcement deal.

Ronnie?! Ronnie Reagan, is that you?!

Anonymous Contaminated NEET August 22, 2017 1:19 PM  

"Bargaining chip" - Hah! Do they have no clue how bargaining works?

"That thing you wanted? Here you go, it's yours, no strings! Now, let's talk about that thing I wanted. Oh, you're not going to give it to me? OK, that's fine. I hope you enjoy what I gave you. See you around."

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:21 PM  

@41 I am not unsympathetic to children who were brought here through no fault of their own.

It was the fault of THEIR parents, not MY parents nor YOUR parents -- nor the PARENTS we are to OUR children (and they to theirs). And to keep 'family reconciliation' in place: SEND THEM ALL BACK TOGETHER!

Blogger Elizabeth August 22, 2017 1:21 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@18 You know, I wouldn't be averse to an amnesty-for-enforcement deal.

Ronnie?! Ronnie Reagan, is that you?!


I remember that in 1986. Pres. Reagan later said that was his biggest mistake.

Another thing that Pres. Reagan wanted to do was bring the Federal budget under control. The budget deficit was a big issue during his administration. Taxes were cut, but not programs.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:23 PM  

@43 Plus Haitians are still running out of the US and into Canada.

And board-surfer-boy has called out the Canadian military to GUARD his borders! Eh, what?

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:25 PM  

@49 Another Supreme Court appointment would be a good thing.

Anyone remember to bring a pillow?

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 1:26 PM  

Is this the narrative being used to cover up DT's political naïveté and broken promise?

Nope. Trump said all along, many, many, many times during the campaign that Mexico makes billions off of us through trade and that it would be easy to get Mexico to pay for the wall by balancing trade.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:29 PM  

@53 DT already abandoned is most frequent promise: Mexico will pay for the wall. And all it took was a call with the Mexican president.

Hmmm, and you can tell this because the wall is finished, the bills have all come in and been paid (net 30?), and no invoice has been sent to Mexico? Oh, wait, I get it -- you have NEVER been in business! You don't even know how it works! Oh, does that make you a leftie -- and this the poop?!

Sorry. I'll go wash my hands...

Anonymous Tipsy August 22, 2017 1:30 PM  

I remember the outrage when Reagan was asked what his favorite dish was and if he could submit a recipe. He gave the press a recipe for a California dish that contains Dungeness crab and avocado. For days the press went on about what an elitist he was and how insensitive he was to the little people who couldn't afford such luxuries. He then resubmitted a recipe for mac and cheese.

It's the same story. HW Bush was the target of faux-outrage when he said he doesn't like broccoli. W was pilloried for everything. Yesterday, Trump was blasted for taking a quick glance at the eclipse without glasses.

All the while, the country burns.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:35 PM  

@55 My biggest worry is that we don't NEED a wall...we need a chain-link fence, about 30 feet high, tipped with barbed tape cyclone, and electrified. Why? Because you can shoot through the chain link fence.

Oh Napoleon! Have you need SEEN the fence they're building! The Border patrol LOVES it, because they can see (and if need be shoot) anyone even approaching, much less climbing! 30' tall, yes, but you can SEE through it!

http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2016/border-poll/images/wall_main-2400.jpg

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2017/02/05/20/wall-us-mexico.jpg

Ain't it preeeetty?!

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 1:37 PM  

I am a hardline immigration guy, and if he gets RAISE in exchange for DACA, that is a massive and unconditional victory. Taking 500,000 people in exchange for a permanent reduction of 500,000 forever is huge.

Of course, the number of Dreamers is more than 500,000 but maybe Trump starts there. And for every Dreamer the other side wants to keep in addition they have to take one away from the annual limit under RAISE. (Plus you get Wall and mandatory E-verify, and I would add in birthright citizenship)

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 1:43 PM  

"We Aren't Nation-Building Immigration, We Are Killing Immigration."

Ain't it preeeetty?!

It looks like, "Shhhh! We're just kidding."

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 1:45 PM  

No no no no no! This is how the damned Repubs ALWAYS cave, and ALWAYS lose, and ALWAYS screw us and our nation!! NO! He PROMISED to get rid of illegals. Period. He is actually doing that YUGELY; but that does not mean backtracking and caving like the Repubs have always done!

"Quilp" is a troll too, right?
Trump is being told he, and he alone, has the opportunity to take care of the "immigration problem" for the party, and then the party will hep take care of him come 2020

"The party" fought him tooth and nail both before and AFTER he won the presidency. WHY would such an astute and successful businessman give a rodent's fuzzy butt about "the party" at any time, now or later!?


It's great if he's still using this to out his enemies -- but he's ALSO goin' a fur-piece in demoralizing his base. Hell, I'd even feel better for just a dog whistle from him!

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 1:49 PM  

if he gets RAISE in exchange for DACA

Build the Wall, end H-1B and the other American worker displacement programs, deport illegals on capture until you've processed 10-20 million or so, and then I'm not going to care if there's some complicated category of person that you decide to make an exception for. After that much winning, the political landscape will look so different it will be time to reappraise and set new goals anyway. But in that order: Wall, deporations, and send "guests" packing, then any compromises. Simple.

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 1:51 PM  

No no no no no! This is how the damned Repubs ALWAYS cave, and ALWAYS lose, and ALWAYS screw us and our nation!! NO! He PROMISED to get rid of illegals. Period.

He also said over and over and over in interviews and rallies that the good ones would get to come back in through an expedited process. What does that mean exactly?? I don't know.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 22, 2017 1:53 PM  

the president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner, who both serve as presidential advisers

Please to be reminding me why this cunt and his wife are anywhere near the White House? Why is there any need to carry on the tradition of a horde of slack-jawed soft-boned limousine liberals ruining everything with their "compassion" for grubby people they wouldn't get within 100 yards of without a brigade of security men and a tub of hand sanitizer?

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 22, 2017 1:54 PM  

Every damned time one of these concern articles comes out (almost) everybody assesses it as if Trump is just your average politician. How many times does he have to demonstrate the falsity of that assumption?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 22, 2017 2:03 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Ivanka and Jared need to be put on a Navy destroyer and sent on an around the world tour of hardship military posts.

Or maybe on a PT boat. Or, maybe spend a winter snowed in somewhere in Antarctica. I'm sure there is something useful President Trump's favorite pet Dems could get up to.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 2:03 PM  

@60 I erred if I implied the rest of the world is better off. The USA's trip into magic-minded folly infected everyone. It was an excuse to euthanize the bond vigilantes everywhere (look at China! What was it, they poured as much concrete in a couple years as did the USA in the 20th century? And they have steel-making capacity multiple times the entire world's requirement?)

I quibble with your position for a couple reasons:
1. I question how deep and capable is the .mil if the game of dominoes begins in earnest. The .mil has, since Eisenhower, turned mostly into the game he described in his Farewell Address. It's about "procurement, procurement, procurement" (and getting the swag for landing the contracts, which requires the right palms be greased in Congress.)

That has little to do with warfare, lots to do with slopping at the Public Trough. The Mil-Ind-Cartel is the same as the Med-Ind-Cartel: a vast make-work program for Middle Class people (see China's steel industry above.)

And while the USA can resume domestic production, it can't do so under the legal/regulatory framework as it exists. I figure about half of the Federal Register would have to be put in the Burn Pile (which half?) before enough of the friction was eliminated from the system. One of the raw materials in short supply is common sense, and the other is an intelligent workforce. My wife's description of the 9 year olds in her classroom is simply astonishing; it's the second generation raised on video games and the TV babysitter, and I sincerely believe this cohort of Americans is literally (and irreversibly) brain-damaged by it.

We sail into uncharted waters. I intend to ride out the storm in the USA because...it's my home, I know nowhere else to live, and I do think my peers (as in Jury of) are a capable lot; I think we'll do better than a whole lot of the world's peoples.

Trump up, Trump down, the future is already largely written. The process is far larger than a man, and it obeys no one's designs. We keep wanting to do this the easy way (vote, get "my guy" into power) but easy is just illusion. As I've said all along, Trump-as-POTUS is a signal, not a game-winning move all by itself. The signal says, expect a lot more upheaval.

Anonymous Jail for Javanka August 22, 2017 2:08 PM  

Why did Trump the fill his white house with backstabbers? Bowing to his daughter is worse than pathetic.

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 2:14 PM  

The only winning move Trump will make is, "See? These people are your enemies."

What you do with that information, is entirely up to you.

You can hang them, or not.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 2:15 PM  

@81
Build the Wall, end H-1B and the other American worker displacement programs, deport illegals on capture until you've processed 10-20 million or so,

Yes, exactly. Self deportation for the left-hand side of the IQ curve out of fear, stop importation of the right hand side of the IQ curve; two sources of Uniparty votes and alien anchor babies drain away. Then we can talk about DACA.

@shills & blackpills
This topic sure brings some interesting things out into the sunlight, doesn't it? Just remember, Trump can't possibly win the nomination. Really, he's toast.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 22, 2017 2:20 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@49 Another Supreme Court appointment would be a good thing.

Anyone remember to bring a pillow?


We could start mailing pillows to our favorite supremes, just to keep their morale up. Does anyone has mailing addresses for the supremes?

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 2:21 PM  

@88

And keep wondering in the desert. Because... they are a great people and they be giants!

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2017 2:26 PM  

Jail for Javanka wrote:Why did Trump the fill his white house with backstabbers? Bowing to his daughter is worse than pathetic.

No office in the world has more sycophants and hangers-on.

Trump just brought some of is his own. At least his wife isn't pulling a Michelle O or Hillary C and attempting to operate like Co-President.

Blogger Eric Slate August 22, 2017 2:28 PM  

There is no such thing as "Dreamers"...only illegals taking up a spot for someone else's family. Have no sympathy for them.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 2:28 PM  

How many times does he have to demonstrate the falsity of that assumption?

All the times plus one, I think.

As far as Ivanka's incredible influence goes....she may have had something to do with the Syria strike, but if so, it didn't get her very far, since it wasn't followed up with the war the neocons wanted, and in fact Trump has been quietly turning more over to Russia there. So was that really about her tears at all, or was that a convenient excuse for something he did for other reasons? She may have been jealous of Bannon's influence, but that doesn't mean she got rid of him. He (and Trump) may have genuinely believed he could do more from outside.

Now we hear that she and others are pushing for a softening on immigration (as we knew they always have been), and they're telling their media friends to run it as if it's news, to try to build public support they can use to pressure him. Does that mean he's automatically going to cave? Maybe the fathers I know are stronger than most, but I know plenty who dote on their daughters and are still able to say, "No, sweetie, I know you think you should have a pony, but you're not getting one."

Seems like if he were wrapped around her little finger the way some assume, he wouldn't have done a whole bunch of things he's already done, and vice versa, going all the way back to the campaign.

Blogger James August 22, 2017 2:30 PM  

Eric Slate wrote:There is no such thing as "Dreamers"...only illegals taking up a spot for someone else's family. Have no sympathy for them.

Redefining words. A leftist speciality. Like "gay". Or "progressive". Or "dreamer". Or "love". Or "hate".

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 2:30 PM  

By the way, the White House just went on lockdown and everyone was hustled inside, including a bunch of newsbots. Supposedly because an unidentified parcel was spotted somewhere on the grounds.

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 2:31 PM  

The question you face:

Is He a Cyrus the Deliverer - Or Nebuchadnezzar the Agent of Judgment?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 2:41 PM  

Supposedly because an unidentified parcel was spotted somewhere on the grounds.

Amazon delivery?

Seriously, I wonder why we haven't seen more news about drones drifting over the White House fence yet.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 2:42 PM  


Is He a Cyrus the Deliverer - Or Nebuchadnezzar the Agent of Judgment?


Or neither.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 2:49 PM  

No office in the world has more sycophants and hangers-on.
Trump just brought some of is his own.


I was thinking along these lines the other day: I have a sister who is smart and kind, but a total moderate. Start laying down blunt, Alt-Right-style truth about something, and she will jump to defend the liberal side, even if she was arguing against it moments before, because she hates anything that sounds harsh.

So if I were elected president, would I give her a job? I probably would. Not doing most things, but maybe something in the communications area (her field). Because I would know I could trust her, at least not to be in on an assassination plot or something. She would be one less stranger there to work with. And I know her. I would know what she would be good at doing, but I'd also know where she might work against me (for my own good), so I could anticipate and counter or prevent it. If she betrayed me by leaking or something like that, I'd be more likely to spot it in her behavior. And if she came to me with a demand that I do something about something, I would know how to keep my eyes from rolling and to send her away feeling like she'd been heard, and then do what I do.

Family you disagree with, even family you know may work against you at times, is still family. I think I get why they're there.

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2017 2:50 PM  

I'm not a fan of the saying but I do think there is some truth to the idea that personnel is policy.

Blogger DonReynolds August 22, 2017 2:54 PM  

WE have already tried to bargain half a loaf with the Democrats and the pro-Amnesty Republicans. Back in 1987, Ronald Reagan entered into what was supposed to be the END of the problem. In return for ONLY ONE million amnesties, the enforcement patriots would get a long list of enforcement measures. Reagan promised it was a one-time deal and there would never, ever be another amnesty. The enforcement mechanisms would catch any new invaders in the net and they would be promptly returned to their own country.

Then "chain immigration" kicked in, and one million amnesties turned into four million, because each one of them had relatives in Mexico (many who had never been to the US) that NOW needed to come too.

As soon as all the illegals and their "relatives" (which were often doubtful but were never asked for proof) had amnesty in hand, the Democrats and the courts set to work dismantling every single aspect of the enforcement programs. Once Obama was elected, the law was completely forgotten as inconvenient and the Border Patrol became the welcoming committee and an occasional drug bust....often a media event.

WE are through with making deals with people who have no intention of keeping their end of the bargain. NO more negotiations. NO more deals. Ship them the hell out of here! Stop pandering to criminals and stop the carnage of American citizens.

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 2:59 PM  

Or neither.

That is called: Cognitive Dissonance.

He is the God-Emperor of one, or the other.

I'm betting the God-Emperor of Judgement.

Here we are. Imagine where we will be.

Well, we're certainly going to find out in the next 3 1/2 years.

Will the righteous rise, or, will they wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law?

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2017 3:03 PM  

Okay, this actually made me laugh:

The Democratic National Committee on Tuesday morning sent an email with the subject "Trump's Empty Promises on Border Wall."

"Trump has failed to deliver on his signature promise to build a border wall and have Mexico pay for it. Trump even admitted in a private conversation with Mexico that his border wall promise was the ‘least important thing,'" said the email, first noticed by Business Insider reporter Allan Smith.


So even his opposition sees a potential sledge hammer here.

Blogger DonReynolds August 22, 2017 3:11 PM  

@86 dc.sunsets
"Trump up, Trump down, the future is already largely written. The process is far larger than a man, and it obeys no one's designs. We keep wanting to do this the easy way (vote, get "my guy" into power) but easy is just illusion. As I've said all along, Trump-as-POTUS is a signal, not a game-winning move all by itself. The signal says, expect a lot more upheaval."

Donald Trump represents the LAST attempt to save this country from complete ruin by the ballot box. He was a fluke, but a chance to turn things around... peacefully. WE are always willing to give peaceful alternatives an opportunity to work and Trump's base of supporters have been very patient and given him time to accomplish ANY significant portion of his agenda. It has not happened and increasingly the Leftist Liberals have made it clear they are disinterested in peaceful, orderly change at the ballot box. They want direct action. They want to go to the mattresses. They want to use violence. They want a civil war.

Years from now, those who survive will be able to say...we tried to avoid it by electing Donald Trump, but the radicals and militants walked away from the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 22, 2017 3:15 PM  

@94 It is absurd for a man to make his daughter his adviser.

It is made more so when his daughter has -- however innocently it may have happened -- proven to have become part and parcel to an apparatus seeking to undermine the promises he has made and the obligations he has undertaken.

She does not want the wall; she does not want them to go back. And she's not going to be fired because daughter.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 3:18 PM  

@103 Elder Son
Or neither.

That is called: Cognitive Dissonance.

Or it is called "reality".

He is the God-Emperor of one, or the other.

Why?

I'm betting the God-Emperor of Judgement.

Cool. What are you wagering?

Here we are. Imagine where we will be.
Well, we're certainly going to find out in the next 3 1/2 years.
Will the righteous rise, or, will they wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law?


Or will we just continue to kick cans down the road, fix some things, not fix other things, as various crises continue to build?

Blogger Nakota Publishing August 22, 2017 3:24 PM  

Keeping the "dreamers" while sucessfully sending everyone else back would be far more than any President before Trump (since Eisenhower anyway.)

Anonymous Looking Glass August 22, 2017 3:33 PM  

Always remember, Trump thrived in New York City. That means he's good at managing 3 major groups:

1) The Mafia
2) The Jews
3) The NYC Political Establishment

Minus the fact he still hates Ed Koch. Really, really hates Ed Koch.

That's why Ivanka is valuable. Who does Trump uses for Optics effects when something needs a more "personal" touch? Why, Ivanka or Melania. Once you see it, you'll see what's going on. They *cannot* attack either of them without activating Team Woman defenses. But they aren't shields for Trump; they're siege engines. And he'll keep doing it because it'll keep working.

Blogger Demonic Professor El August 22, 2017 3:33 PM  

In reality, the wall only needs to begin construction by 2020 for GE Trump to secure the vote - most people know that most of USGOV, MSM, Academia is against the guy and work nonstop to destroy him.

This is the same base that has to deal with any type of bureaucracy in their day to day lives. The public may be fickle at times, but their instincts are pretty good overall.

Blogger Chris Johns August 22, 2017 3:36 PM  

"If Trump doesn't build the wall and maintain a hard line on immigration, he will not win the 2020 election, as he will lose the base that has remained loyal to him throughout."

He does this and I am done with him. Period. End of.

I voted for him for one reason and one reason only, and that was because his strict stance on immigration. When that's gone, I am gone.

I will never vote Republican again. Period.

Blogger Demonic Professor El August 22, 2017 3:41 PM  

One possible solution, right out of the Deathocrats' playbook:

Subsidize wall building on private land near the border. Or use eminent domain.

The Wall doesn't have to be right AT the border as long as it's within eyeshot - just use the same system Demmies use to get his way. Blockhouse strategy, in a way.

Get private companies to buy up land if unoccupied then subsidize border programs therein. Or go Holder a la Operation Choke Point and seize assets of border businesses/homes that assist illegal immigration.

Many ways to build a Wall.

Optimistic Note: Optics for 2018 would look good - "The Government doesn't want the Wall built - and the Wall is the Will of the People."

Anonymous Andrew E. August 22, 2017 3:49 PM  

Many ways to build a Wall.

Why mess around with all that. If Congress or the Judiciary or the bureaucracy is preventing the work, just order the military engineers to build it and justify it on the grounds of national security and POTUS's authority as commander-in-chief.

Anonymous Anonymous August 22, 2017 3:50 PM  

The Wall? How about Anchor Babies Away? There's no reason to allow 'born on this soil' in the age of modern travel to afford any extra privilege.

Anonymous jig August 22, 2017 3:51 PM  

The Wall? How about Anchor Babies Away? There's no reason to allow 'born on this soil' in the age of modern travel to afford any extra privilege.

Blogger Demonic Professor El August 22, 2017 3:55 PM  

@113 Andrew E.

Both!

Blogger Mats August 22, 2017 3:56 PM  

Ivanka has to go back.....to the kitchen.

Blogger Demonic Professor El August 22, 2017 3:59 PM  

Or, in a slightly tongue in cheek way - Make the Dream Wherever You Want Act!

Bring up the old Lincoln plan of giving them money to leave and they get to pick any country they want! Five Stacks for Cuba (since Obama stopped accepting refugees from Cuba...)! Five Stacks for Peru! Five Stacks for Indonesia!

Just paying them to leave is cheaper than keeping them here - and high-time preference will have them go "Oh, 5000 dollars? I'm in!"

Anonymous E. August 22, 2017 4:09 PM  

Some leftist publication had some gossip that TGE treats Ivanka like he treats most women - nice to look at, but don't waste your time listening to them. According to "sources," she had to repeatedly shout at him at a meeting that they needed to discuss "women's issues."

Who knows if it's true but Ivanka has always struck me as the WH spokesmodel more than anything else. Pretty face, pretty and well-behaved kids and that's it.

As for Trump's wall, I have a sneaking suspicious in a few years he's going to say "Look at how I got them to self-deport back home or to Canada! I didn't NEED the wall, I simply enforced existing law and stopped giving them perks."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 22, 2017 4:10 PM  

Phat Repat wrote:Now where's my pi$$ boy; SnivelySorry dude, you're not at all my type. Even with the corset and fishnet stockings.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 22, 2017 4:22 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:As I've said all along, Trump-as-POTUS is a signal, not a game-winning move all by itself.

Trump is not the messenger, he is the message.

Anonymous Jack Hanson August 22, 2017 4:22 PM  

To be fair, this about the ninth hysterical "TRUMP AMNESTY" story I've seen since August 2015. So I'll believe it when I see it.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta August 22, 2017 4:30 PM  

@121 "Trump is not the messenger, he is the message."

"The medium is the message" -- Marshall McLuhan
"The meme is the message" -- Pepe

Anonymous gxg August 22, 2017 4:30 PM  

As for Trump's wall, I have a sneaking suspicious in a few years he's going to say "Look at how I got them to self-deport back home or to Canada! I didn't NEED the wall, I simply enforced existing law and stopped giving them perks."

Make no mistake. We need the wall. Even if Trump lasts two terms, he won't be president forever. A big, beautiful wall is permanent and will go a long way in thwarting some future Obama 2.0 whoever he/she/it is.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 22, 2017 4:44 PM  

They *cannot* attack either of them without activating Team Woman defenses.

Because that worked so well with Palin

Anonymous Panzer Man August 22, 2017 5:07 PM  

Demonic Professor El wrote:Or, in a slightly tongue in cheek way - Make the Dream Wherever You Want Act!

Bring up the old Lincoln plan of giving them money to leave and they get to pick any country they want! Five Stacks for Cuba (since Obama stopped accepting refugees from Cuba...)! Five Stacks for Peru! Five Stacks for Indonesia!

Just paying them to leave is cheaper than keeping them here - and high-time preference will have them go "Oh, 5000 dollars? I'm in!"


As long as they're microchipped and the penalty for "gaming" the system by returning multiple times is something absolutely horrendous, sure.

Anonymous trev006 August 22, 2017 5:09 PM  

gxg,

A big, beautiful wall is permanent? Ask the Germans about that. The Dems would love taking hammers to it.

It is still necessary to build, but walls are only useful as long as they are manned.

Anonymous bbgkb August 22, 2017 5:20 PM  

and implements E-verify, an online system that allows businesses to check immigration status

EVerify exists but can only be used after hiring someone. HR is told to accept any fake documents & wait for a letter from the govt 1-2years later

Its also possible that Trump was planning on pulling a bait and switch from the very beginning.

I think TRUMP started with "SEND THEM ALL BACK" as a negotiating position but realized he won the primary with it. Now I trust his EGO to see it through. If TRUMP leave the parade route it will keep going.

"all billionaires are crazy, because they're surrounded every moment by fawning sycophants who tell them their every idea defines brilliance" is either immunized to his mind-warping presence

Trump has also been broke and come back so that helps him deal with yes men.
.
Another Supreme Court appointment would be a good thing..Anyone remember to bring a pillow?

Bring 3 in case the wise latrina eats on.
Hello, fellow right-wingers! Not even hello but Oy vey, fellow white-wingers

Blogger Tim Eagleson August 22, 2017 5:24 PM  

I would allow them to keep DACA IF AND ONLY IF, they also passed a bill that would cut all forms of immigration by AT LEAST 85% there are 100s of thousands of DACAs but MILLIONS of immigrants coming in each year. Would be better numbers and would hurt the democrats with their base if they opposed it.

Anonymous gxg August 22, 2017 5:36 PM  

A big, beautiful wall is permanent? Ask the Germans about that. The Dems would love taking hammers to it. It is still necessary to build, but walls are only useful as long as they are manned.

True. But it would be a yuge step in the right direction.

Anonymous Simplytimothy August 22, 2017 6:46 PM  

I an trying g to think if any negotiations where Trump has failed to get what he wabts. His foreign policy/trade deals are masterful and this if a peacemaker, not a warmonger.

Obanacare? It ain't over and so far in the o going process the only losers are McCain and the Republican Senate. Trump has not quit.

Against Trump's record steady , solid and quiet performance, I read squawkers who sound like Ryan --all branding and sales with zero quality.

Trump's son tweeted a picture of the boiler.room at one of their properties "excellence in everything" was the gist. The boiler room is a showcase. Beautifully maintained.

That got my attention.

Trump and family are supposed stance people. For decades we have had glitz people squandering the seed corn on lies.

I don't see Trump selling out because I see no upside to it. Its the people with the grimey boiler rooms trying to sell a new paint job.

Anonymous Simplytimothy August 22, 2017 6:48 PM  

Apologies for typos. Phone/thumb

Anonymous Andrew Anglin August 22, 2017 8:48 PM  

8 months in...

No Wall.


weekly insourcing of Somalian Black Muslim savages doubled.

deportation of illegals proceeding at HALF the annual Obama regime rate.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2017 9:53 PM  

azcentral has a livestream feed of both inside and outside.
Reds outside are still using "hey hey, ho ho" as a chant.
The heat isn't their friend.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 22, 2017 10:08 PM  

Yes!

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 22, 2017 10:18 PM  

Suddenly a ton of new commenters come in. Names that have never been seen before.

Blogger exfarmkid August 22, 2017 11:23 PM  

"according to a half-dozen people familiar with situation, most involved with the negotiations."

Seriously? Another "earth-shaking story" constructed from anonymous sources? Ye Fripping Gods.


Blogger exfarmkid August 22, 2017 11:28 PM  

Vox Day: "Never abandon your base. Never abandon your core. If you do not understand this, you are absolutely guaranteed failure."

Amen!

Anonymous DonReynolds August 22, 2017 11:57 PM  

@113 Andrew E. wrote:Many ways to build a Wall.

Why mess around with all that. If Congress or the Judiciary or the bureaucracy is preventing the work, just order the military engineers to build it and justify it on the grounds of national security and POTUS's authority as commander-in-chief.


No need for so much drama. Plenty of combat engineers and navy ceebees in the military, including reserve units and national guard. Just call it a training mission and let each unit spend a month or two on the border building the wall with materials found in the vicinity. Excellent exercise and a great training opportunity. No need for Congress to get their grimy fingers in the pie.

Blogger Lazarus August 22, 2017 11:59 PM  

Sounds like Trump is warning the Swampers that he WILL play the National Security Card [NSC] if they do not co-operate on the wall. He is both the good cop and the bad cop.

Or, as my father used to say, "Don't make me come in there...."

Blogger Dirk Manly August 23, 2017 12:56 AM  

Phat Repat... Do you ever post while sober, you clown.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 23, 2017 1:00 AM  

@Bobby Farr

Unfortunately, Ivanka grew up in Jew York.

Blogger SirGroggy August 23, 2017 1:30 AM  

The leading American conservatives will get behind this... check out (((Bill Kristol))) saying that the white working class needs to be replaced with "New Americans"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mWJSKhEwjy8

OpenID tonsplace August 23, 2017 6:01 AM  

Seems to me Trump is the sort of dude who wins on the margins and not necessarily on the big things. Might work great in business not sure how it will work in politics but really Trump will be re-elected if most folks think their lifenhas improved and will continue to improve. Locally things are improving on the margins mostly because the taco benders were leaving because of how Trump talks. Kind of cool. Then ICE shut down a local meat packing plant whiched forced them to hire locals at $4 an hour more then they used to pay the illegals.

Small steps and all but decent movement in the right direction

I can't think of anything easier then making Mexico pay for the wall. Tax western union, money grams etc going into Mexico, central America and South America. Sure the left will wail and gansh their teeth. Trump's base will simple say fuck yeah! And get back to daily life

If I recall Trump recently told Canada 62% of any car sold in the usa should be built here, parts or final assembly. Pretty sure trump will get a second term if he sticks that and builds the wall

In certian ways I think automation might be a bigger threat to Trump's re-election then anything the left and media can do

Blogger bosscauser August 24, 2017 5:36 AM  

The only good news here it kills the REPUBLICAN party....dead!
Who writes this nonsense?

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

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