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Wednesday, August 23, 2017

The false front of the male feminist

Joss Whedon is merely the latest "male feminist" to be outed as a sexual predator:
There were times in our relationship that I was uncomfortable with the attention Joss paid other women. He always had a lot of female friends, but he told me it was because his mother raised him as a feminist, so he just liked women better. He said he admired and respected females, he didn’t lust after them. I believed him and trusted him. On the set of “Buffy,” Joss decided to have his first secret affair.

Fifteen years later, when he was done with our marriage and finally ready to tell the truth, he wrote me, “When I was running ‘Buffy,’ I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive young women. It felt like I had a disease, like something from a Greek myth. Suddenly I am a powerful producer and the world is laid out at my feet and I can’t touch it.” But he did touch it. He said he understood, “I would have to lie — or conceal some part of the truth — for the rest of my life,” but he did it anyway, hoping that first affair, “would be ENOUGH, that THEN we could move on and outlast it.”

Joss admitted that for the next decade and a half, he hid multiple affairs and a number of inappropriate emotional ones that he had with his actresses, co-workers, fans and friends, while he stayed married to me....

Despite understanding, on some level, that what he was doing was wrong, he never conceded the hypocrisy of being out in the world preaching feminist ideals, while at the same time, taking away my right to make choices for my life and my body based on the truth. He deceived me for 15 years, so he could have everything he wanted. I believed, everyone believed, that he was one of the good guys, committed to fighting for women’s rights, committed to our marriage, and to the women he worked with. But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist.
Male feminists are false fronts. They tend to be physically unattractive men who pose as feminists in order to obtain access to women by convincing them to let their guard down through publicly professing feminist ideology. They are easily obsessed by women and are highly prone to stalking them; John Scalzi's account of being tempted to stalk Mary Robinette Kowal at a convention is downright creepy, although not nearly as creepy as the idea of Jim Hines being a rape counselor.

Rape Victim (sobbing): "He... he raped me!"
Jim Hines (slobbering): "Tell me about it. Tell me ALL about it!"
Back in 2006, at Readercon(!) I was wandering around the dealer’s room when I saw John Joseph Adams talking to a woman I didn’t know. I knew JJA very casually, so I went up to say hello. The woman he was speaking to was the art director of Shimmer Magazine and her name was Mary Robinette Kowal. JJA introduced the two of us, and Mary and I started chatting and within about five minutes I was aware that I was really intensely attracted to her, in a way that actually kind of spooked me and which I was sure was immediately and clearly obvious, and possibly immediately and obviously creepy.

So here’s what I did. After a couple more minutes, I excused myself and went away, because I was working on the theory that if I was worried that I was coming across as creepy, I was in fact being creepy, and I didn’t want to do that both as a matter of personal inclination and also because this woman I had just met did noting to deserve me creeping all over her. Later, I saw her talking with a bunch of people I didn’t know, I didn’t go up and chat with her because I knew that the only reason I wanted to talk to that group of people is so that I could be near her, and that was a little creepy.

When some time after that she was with a group of people I did know and enjoyed talking to, I joined that group, made sure I didn’t focus all my attention on her and got to know her a little better by listening to her talk to others in the group and to the group in general, and talked to her like I talked to everyone else in the group. I didn’t hover near her. I definitely didn’t go out of my way to touch her. I made no great attempt to monopolize her time. When I did chat with her later one on one, I was mindful of how much of her time I was spending, and was paying attention to how she reacted to me to make sure I wasn’t overstaying my welcome. And so on.
If that doesn't strike you as creepy on its face, remember, the man was married at the time. There is definitely something deeply, insidiously wrong with any self-styled male feminist. Never forget that when they repeat their mantras of "don't be evil" and "don't inappropriately touch women", they are talking to themselves.

In any event, Allum Bokhari's take on l'affaire Whedon is without doubt the best one.

So, Joss Whedon used feminism to bang an endless succession of chicks and make some pretty non-feminist movies without anyone noticing. To be honest, my respect for the man has skyrocketed.

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 8:11 AM  

I was "ehh, whatever, hyper self aware/introvert" until "Remember, the man was married at the time."

...Oh come on.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 8:12 AM  

I need more desks to smash with my face. Instant "whatever" to "we're not in Kansas anymore."

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 8:18 AM  

Whedon, on the other hand, looks like the MGTOW's evil twin. "Feminists? So not worth the hassle. Commence cold war propaganda plan A: Lie, lie until you die! Courtesy of the Motherland."

Anonymous Rocklea August 23, 2017 8:18 AM  

Sneaky Fuckers (not swearing, biological term)

"Within the study of cuttlefish, these r-selected, transvestite males have been referred to as “sneakers,” but we will call them “anticompetitors,” as their goal is to subvert their species' evolutionary advancement through their subversion of the competitor's competitions.

This situation, where strong aggressive males do honest battle for females of high standing, while a smaller, weaker male affects a harmless, feminine personae in order to avoid his embarrassing defeat at the hands of a larger stronger male, may seem familiar to you. Clearly, the effete, competition averse, liberal intellectual, who seeks Darwinian success through deception, is a motif we have seen before."
- from The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 8:20 AM  

We really need to restore patriarchy and the ownership of women.
Adultery punished by the father or husband.
Cast them out into the wilderness. Or stone them.

Blogger Dave August 23, 2017 8:30 AM  

Creepy McRapey creeps himself out.

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 23, 2017 8:38 AM  

Imagine my suprise. However, I take everything Whedons ex sais with a grain of salt because of potential resentemt.

@5. glosoli
Why are you in favor of slavery? I don't want to own fat and ugly slobs and I don't think you want to own these "women". I'm all in favor for fixing gender relations but you don't do it by implementing a "white sharia". You do it by stopping wealth redistributions between men and women. Once women don't have a backup husband called goverment they'll make sure to keep their husband happy within one generation.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2017 8:50 AM  

although not nearly as creepy as the idea of Jim Hines being a rape counselor.

To be fair, he looks like a rape something.

Especially when luncheoning at Chuck E. Cheese's.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise August 23, 2017 8:50 AM  

Male feminists are false fronts. They tend to be physically unattractive men ...

Just did an image search for Whedon.

Bingo!

Agents Of Shield started out okay, but I quit watching after season two. It's totally cucked, and the diversity casting that permeates every episode is suffocating.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 8:55 AM  

@7. How is that slavery? Do people not "own" their children? It's a pretty straightforward system actually, only a step removed from direct rule by physical power. Ultimately it's the men defending women, so reality dictates that they do, indeed, more or less "own" them. The only reasons it isn't still that way are:

A: If parasite gov't sees a way to extend its reach, it will.

B: Women are easily manipulated by both physical force and guile.

C: Gov't loves women with the vote. Easy manipulation = moar power.

D: Gov-daddy/Gov-sband now has incentive to defend all women against "other men" and does so.

E: Women now "don't need a man" for the sole reason that they are perversely/abusively/incestuously married permanently to Gov-daddy.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 8:57 AM  

As a side effect, instead of carrying children as is their duty similarly to the duty of men to fight wars, they now carry Gov-daddy more power.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise August 23, 2017 8:59 AM  

Whedon on Buffy The Vampire Slayer:

"The very first mission statement of the show ... was the joy of female power: having it, using it, sharing it".

Sharing it?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 8:59 AM  

So, Joss Whedon used feminism to bang an endless succession of chicks and make some pretty non-feminist movies without anyone noticing. To be honest, my respect for the man has skyrocketed.

I have no idea who is the guy quoted here, but men who cheat on their wives are scum. Hell, men who cheat on their GF's are scum (b/c in my world, you're either moving toward a lifelong monogamy or you're fishing for Miss Right, no middle ground.) Women who cheat are every bit as scum. It's not a sex thing, it's an intimacy (physical intimacy) thing.

For the life of me I can't grasp why life today seems so complicated to people. Multiple sexual liaisons add a lifelong chaos component to one's existence. We are social creatures, designed to be happiest in a devoted partnership, which is defined by monogamy.

Others may believe differently, but I've never observed men or women with "rich" sexual histories end up happy. Too many movies in the attic, too many rose-colored-glasses memories for easy comparison to "current reality." Find me someone among the "rabbit people" who is happy. Find me just ONE.

All the wealth and public adulation in the world won't make Joss Whedon happpier, b/c no matter who he's with, he'll always be able to recall some bat-guano crazy bitch whose bedroom activities were scripted by her watching Debbie Does Dallas. He's doomed himself to solitude no matter how many adoring fans fill the room. Pity those ruined by power. They were as children set loose in a room full of guns, knives and hand grenades.

Life today obviously is far too complex, offering many people far too many ways to irreversibly destroy their future happiness (via the indulgence in vice.)

Blogger Desdichado August 23, 2017 8:59 AM  

And all of Scalzi's creepy obsession is over... Mary Robinette Kowal; a man-faced, and extremely plain woman. She's not exactly UGLY, but she sure as hell isn't attractive.

Blogger Sherwood family August 23, 2017 9:00 AM  

Jeez...why Scalzi...why? If he had that kind of thing going on in his mind...well...that's on him. But why on earth tell the rest of us?

Blogger Orville August 23, 2017 9:00 AM  

When I read this the other day, I just couldn't stop seeing Scalzi in my mind, and then I find that Joss looks like Jim Gaffigan's ugly brother.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 9:01 AM  

@7. In addition, women can't naturally make enough money for an enjoyable living on average. They just can't. You don't see it, but you're all for owning women too, you just think that because you'll do it purely through economic power that it isn't ownership.

It's still ownership, or perhaps stewardship if you're Christian.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 23, 2017 9:02 AM  

Desdichado wrote:And all of Scalzi's creepy obsession is over... Mary Robinette Kowal; a man-faced, and extremely plain woman. She's not exactly UGLY, but she sure as hell isn't attractive.

I did the same and made the same observations. I did also note that it does play into something else Vox has noted. Gamma's have an inexplicable attraction to red hair.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 9:03 AM  

The Scalzi quote is just another brick in the wall that "Social" media today allow fools to overshare^10.

The only mind I wish to observe is my own. I sure as hell don't want to see the insides of loons, sickos and just plain repulsive people like that.

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 9:04 AM  

@7,

I didn't mention slavery.
I didn't mention 'white sharia'.
Please don't lie, God hates liars.

Anonymous joe doakes August 23, 2017 9:05 AM  

It's almost as if a rich and powerful man would find himself surrounded by women who would let him do anything, he could walk up and grab them by the p***y and they'd let him. Who woulda thunk it?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 23, 2017 9:05 AM  

Oh damn. He does look like a deviant.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 23, 2017 9:06 AM  

Lord thunderin' jesus these men are pathetic. I enjoy talking to pretty women, and I dont worry about being thought of as a creep because I am not a creep.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 23, 2017 9:07 AM  

It's still ownership, or perhaps stewardship if you're Christian.

Husbandry.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 23, 2017 9:07 AM  

Rocklea wrote:- from The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics

r/K theory FTW

Every Damned Time

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 9:08 AM  

@17 The "ownership" to which you refer is objectionable if de jure, and you'll not likely change that.

A better model is mutual respect, which is both the basis for all successful human relationships and sorely lacking in society today, especially between men and women. A woman who respects herself and her husband naturally assumes a role in the partnership that works (assuming she has earned and deserves his respect as well...which is why the movie Pretty Woman is a sad joke while the play Pygmalion is perfectly sensible.)

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 23, 2017 9:08 AM  

Lol

Blogger daddynichol August 23, 2017 9:09 AM  

What's unusual is the need for Hines to write of his encounter for all the world to see and not see anything odd about his doing so.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 23, 2017 9:11 AM  

Pedestalizing women + demonizing and fearing male attraction + self-loathing + extreme introversion = Scalzi

Mary Robinette Kowal looks like she was probably cute 11 years ago.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 9:11 AM  

@13. dc, even as an Atheist (I'm not one, just taking the perspective) having children is your sole sane and reasonable path to any physical version of semi-immortality. Anything else is just another form of suicide.

So, if having (quality) children is the only way to avoid effective suicide, you'd go for the best bet for that right? Which happens to be the stability of a monogamous relationship.

Yes, I said it. From the male/female perspective, monogamy only makes sense for certain people. There are a certain percentage of men that can "handle" the relative chaos of polygamy (some even enjoy it as far as I can tell). The only real reason for a prevalent society of monogamous male/female lifelong relationships is for the health of the soul/psyche of the children you're having.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 23, 2017 9:12 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:But why on earth tell the rest of us?

Indeed. There's more than one dysfunction going on in that "man", for sure.

Blogger pyrrhus August 23, 2017 9:13 AM  

O/T slightly....Steve Sailer's powerful new piece..http://takimag.com/article/war_of_the_classes_steve_sailer#axzz4qWZws2Pp

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 9:16 AM  

@26, dc

'A better model is mutual respect, which is both the basis for all successful human relationships and sorely lacking in society today, especially between men and women. A woman who respects herself and her husband naturally assumes a role in the partnership that works (assuming she has earned and deserves his respect as well...which is why the movie Pretty Woman is a sad joke while the play Pygmalion is perfectly sensible.)'

The modern churchians would call you a complementarian and would invite you to worship Mary and the Ginas with them.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer August 23, 2017 9:18 AM  

"I definitely didn’t go out of my way to touch her."

Jesus..

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 9:19 AM  

@26. I only disagree in that it's not currently working, dc. I'd love to think that you're right about that, but reality dictates that learning comes from pain. They won't have pain as long as they have the upper, or even an equal hand. Yes, it hurts me a bit to think of it that way, but if the woman is (unreasonably)disrespectful at the point I have to deal with her, power is the only dynamic that will work.

On another aspect, respect derives from power, be it physical, economic, political or spiritual, if there's no power there's no respect.

I respect a woman for the things she can do better than me, and nothing else. If she refuses to do those things, I can't see her power (because it doesn't exist) so there will be no respect.

There will be only my power, until she learns.

Blogger The Kurgan August 23, 2017 9:20 AM  

You're not wrong, but there are K-selected who go through a high number of women too.
It may be somewhat more unlikely, but such men can and do end up in happy relationships. Usually to younger women.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 9:21 AM  

within about five minutes I was aware that I was really intensely attracted to her, in a way that actually kind of spooked me and which I was sure was immediately and clearly obvious, and possibly immediately and obviously creepy

So much of this is weird and dumb, but holy adverbs Batman.

Blogger dh August 23, 2017 9:22 AM  

Anyone who has ever seen John Scalzi in person knows that his story is entirely self-serving. My observations from seeing him at convention, in a series of social settings:

The man has no posture, he holds himself like 15 year old girl. Slouching, sitting with bad posture, crossing his legs like a lady is par for the course. He holds his head at unseemly angles when he listens to you talk. When he speaks he rights his head and animates himself unnaturally for emphasis. He often laughs at his own jokes before he's done telling them. They don't flow naturally and are not placed well into conversations. Conversations appear to be stilted to find opportunities to insert his humorous asides or observations.

In small group conversation, he is constantly trying to interject, and to make himself the focus of conversation. He is falsely self-deprecating - the type where you think he is being self-deprecating but upon careful listening he's actually not being self-deprecating. He will often ask you a question, wait for your response, then his own question as if you reciprocated the question, e.g. "JS: How is the weather where you are from? A: <...>, JS: Wow, well where I'm from in Bradford the weather is <...>."

Other wise, in terms of appearance, he's sloppily composed wearing ill-fitting off the rack clothes. Clothes that are often associated with "work" - like blue jeans, low-boots, and other active style wear are worn unnaturally loosely. He wears his pants off the waist, several inches below, probably to accommodate a fairly sized gut. He had facial hair, but of an unkempt variety, not a well-formed beard or goatee, that reinforces both his receded hairline and bad style.

Stature wise, he's quite short which is the hand he was dealt, but he is soft and dough-like throughout, even in places where men really usually aren't. His face is unusually round and soft at the edges for a man, and his fingers unusually stubby and soft for someone who presumably types a bit. His unkempt facial hair even in public social settings belies a sense of declined personal standards. As he laughs at his own jokes, he will often preen with a false exaggerated smile.

Simply put, there is no way that any woman who has *ever* been a 4 or higher would not be instantly repulsed by him. It's not to say he doesn't have his charms - I'd imagine at this point he's reasonably wealthy (although who knows, it could be part of his act), and there is a certain confident charm of a pretender who has gotten away with it for a long-time.

John Scalzi's internal monologue could very easily be followed-up by a justification for why he had to kill/rape/torture the target of his misplaced affection. But, on it's face, it's pretty unlikely that anyone who observed him objectively would have found his actions the least bit natural. It really reads like a personal narrative of an individual with a serious mental illness - perhaps a dissociative family-disorder or a latent form of sociopathy - and his efforts to fit in without being detected.

Essentially, John Scalzi aspires to be as successful in his machinations as Joss Whedon, but he doesn't have the same tools or access.

Blogger dh August 23, 2017 9:26 AM  

P.S. It would not surprise me absolutely one bit to find that John Scalzi ends up on the receiving end of some very unpleasant sexual harassment complaints one day. He is the exact type who would misread signals of repulsion.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 9:26 AM  

As a Christian, "ownership" doesn't have to interfere with love/charity. I can think of it any which way I want, dc. be it from the perspective of love, or respect, or power dynamics, it works out the same way. Creation is marvelous like that.

Any way you look at it, in material and economic terms, a husband is closer to owning his wife than to equality, or to the opposite. Denying the truth isn't helping anybody.

Blogger daddynichol August 23, 2017 9:26 AM  

OK, was it Hines or Scalzi creeping on Plain Jane Kowal? Regardless, the need to tell the world is just cringeworthy.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2017 9:28 AM  

I take everything Whedons ex says with a grain of salt because of potential resentment.

One should always do that in divorce situations. But her claim that he wrote to her to explain his excuses in detail is such a perfect gamma, male feminist move that it gives the whole thing a credible feel.

Blogger CM August 23, 2017 9:31 AM  

--Male feminists are false fronts. They tend to be physically unattractive men who pose as feminists in order to obtain access to women by convincing them to let their guard down through publicly professing feminist ideology. --

Isn't that the truth.

In my experience, they also are the ones to actually hate women, as well. My boyfriend in college was a feminist and if I didn't fit the feminist ideal, I was brain washed.

I know another MF who is bitter and angry about women not being interested in him. He hides behind feminism, but i can see his hatred of me when we talk simply because I can don't buy the feminism.

From how Scalzi talks about your wife, I think that's a huge deal. Women who don't buy feminism are treated with contempt and scorn by these men who claim to love women.

Blogger CymantheTrueMan August 23, 2017 9:36 AM  

So are all male creepers feminist?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 9:38 AM  

@44. Cymanthe, nah, it's a tactic, just like all the other creeper tactics.

Anonymous NZT August 23, 2017 9:39 AM  

Damn, that Scalzi confession is pretty gruesome. Probably most guys have had the experience of being attracted to a girl and needing to manage yourself to not seem smitten, but to write a super-detailed public confessional like that (with real names included) is incredibly pathetic (and creepy!) and defeats the whole point. The whole thing shows a lack of personal boundaries that I normally associate with callow Millennials.

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 23, 2017 9:41 AM  

@glosoli
How am I wrong to think you are talking about slavery when you talk about human ownership and Islam when you talk about your prefered punishment for adultery?

@26. dc.sunsets
I like that model. Voluntary relations betwen men and women that end in marriage & children will be the dominant solution if goverment is taken out of the equation.

Anonymous fop August 23, 2017 9:41 AM  

So Dollhouse was basically a way to keep hot females flowing through Joss' trailer.

Gamma Game.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 9:44 AM  

Dh's descriptions of scalzi are better written than any of scalzi's writing

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2017 9:46 AM  

"I definitely didn’t go out of my way to touch her."

All of his careful non-attention was probably setting off her creeper radar like crazy. It would for an attractive woman, anyway. An unattractive one might not deal with that often enough to recognize it.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 9:47 AM  

@ Azure, FWIW, I actually have raised kids (who are happy, healthy and successfully raising their own kids), and actually am in a long-term, lifelong monogamous marriage of considerable duration. Those are my qualifications to hold an opinion. I can POINT to successful outcomes for my position.

My views are bases on decades of observation or direct experience, mixed with nothing more than common sense (and what Mises liked to call praxeology, which is simply reasoning out from obvious axioms.)

You can claim men exist who can sample the world's women and still be whole. I've not seen it, but my sample size is small. To me, unless those men are all sampling the same f-ing whore, they're doing the dishonorable service of despoiling the future wives of other men, and given a wayback machine, those future husbands would come back and blow the brains out of the cads' heads (and good riddance.)

You can't have your cake and eat it too. It takes two to tango, and if young women shouldn't be free to whore themselves out, why are the men who use women's libertine impulses not guilty of moral crime? Or are Rabbit People a-okay because sociobiologists can 'splain it?

We live in a time of desperate shortage for numerous attributes:
Honor
Self-control
Self-respect
Mutual respect
Devotion (as in marital)
Common sense

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable August 23, 2017 9:47 AM  

to write a super-detailed public confessional like that (with real names included) is incredibly pathetic (and creepy!) and defeats the whole point.

I'm sure he thought it was necessary to demonstrate his superior male self-control and unparalleled respect for women. The "confessional" touch was probably intended to genuflect to the "all men are scum" feminist bromide, but because of his inability to read social cues it just comes across as a perv about to leap out of the closet at anything more attractive than a four-bagger. It screams, "I've LEARNED! I've LEARNED! Don't hate me!! (**oh, and please sleep with me MRK**)"

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 9:48 AM  

@47,

You are wrong because biblical marriage is not slavery, it is patriarchy, and Islam is nothing like Christianity.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 9:49 AM  

Will you two idiots shut up about slavery?

Blogger ZhukovG August 23, 2017 9:50 AM  

@dh: I guess the short version is that Scalzi is a fraud, through and through. He knows he's a fraud but is trapped by the web of lies that in his case substitutes as a life.

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2017 9:53 AM  

@14 Kowal; a man-faced, and extremely plain woman. She's not exactly UGLY

Pheromones. An immune system that is close enough but not too close. Mother Nature --laying yet another nasty little trick!

Anonymous DaveInjustice August 23, 2017 9:55 AM  

@JohnnyMayo

I was the same way with Mad Men. I never got the hype but started watching it on Netflix recently. The more they​ focus on the Peggy character, the less interested I got. Even before that I could get through the show going out of its way to sort of dispel the "myth" that the society of the 50s-Early 60s wasn't as great as people think and trying to be subversively anti nostalgia.

@desdi

The trick is she's attractive enough for him to be interested (even gammas eschew uggos, yuck) but Not hot enough that he (or any gamma) necessarily has to fear instant rejection. They feel like if they hit that sweet spot with a girl who is Fandom Fine the have a chance. Typical Gamma overthink/overstrategize

@dc

I dunno if guys so much get the rose colored glasses. Maybe when they're out there hacking through the dating world (Delta and lower anyway) they might look on that relationship they had more favorably because they could let down a bit and enjoy the comfortable fruits of their labor. Not realizing the work they're doing now is how they got that

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus August 23, 2017 9:55 AM  

That's the thing isn't it.

It's all to the good if socially awkward people try to avoid acting weird in public, and they can't help overthinking it sometimes. But writing a painstakingly detailed account of the whole thing and wallowing in all the embarrassing details in public, that's a whole hell of a lot weirder than acting thirsty once at a convention.

He thinks this shitshow reflects very well on him. He thinks women will read it and think, "Here's a wise and thoughtful man who's doing everything right." And maybe they'll think of him in that special way.

As with everything that poor man does in public, he's trying very hard to be liked.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 9:56 AM  

@47 My approach allows flexibility necessary to accommodate the actual spectrum of human behavior and aptitude.

I outweigh my wife by close to 100 lbs. I'm probably 5-10 times stronger than she. I tower over her. This was no different than when I raised kids who were (obviously) tiny and weak, comparatively. Mutual respect was the basis for my family, and IT WORKED. Maybe we're just different.

When I see comments suggesting relationships be based on some sort of dominance, I can only conclude that others "enjoy" relationships I'd deem substandard. Now maybe there are women who cannot be "managed" otherwise (but I'd suggest that such women are terrible choices for marriage in the first place--not everyone merits the "continuation" of marriage and family...it's called CULLING.) I've seen plenty of men who couldn't manage their own lives, much less single-handedly steer a marriage.

Almost all discussions about this OT issue devolve (IMO) to trying to come up with a One-size-fits-all means of making silk purses out of sows' ears (when the obvious point is, avoid sows' ears.)

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 9:56 AM  

@dc,

'You can't have your cake and eat it too. It takes two to tango, and if young women shouldn't be free to whore themselves out, why are the men who use women's libertine impulses not guilty of moral crime?'

It's a woman's world, all of the rules exist for the sole benefit of women. Yet you seek to cast the blame equally on men and women. No wonder the West has been lost throughout your adult life.

Direct question: do you or do you not support biblical patriarchy?

The bible says a man should love his wife, she should respect her husband. It's not mutual respect, for obvious reasons.

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 9:58 AM  

@54, Josh

Only one idiot mentioned slavery.

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2017 10:01 AM  

@26 A better model is mutual respect, which is both the basis for all successful human relationships and sorely lacking in society today

Okay, just me bein' solipsistic again but: when my husband would be out mowing, in the horrid heat and humidity that is the summertime South, I would periodically bring out a glass of ice water and some paper towels so he could wipe his face.

Once, our neighbor's almost-20-yr-old son was out mowing,and he asked, astonished, "HOW did {my husband} "get" me to do that?!"

"He takes SUCH good care of me, and I am SO grateful to him, that I do it with pleasure!"

(You could see the gears churn, a bit of smoke, and then his eyes cleared.) "Cool!"

(And, as noted here previously, I'm a ... what was it? ... a terrible horrible Yankee snob? (And I was a damned shrill feminist when I was younger; for which I apologize to ... well, most men.) Yes, it took my husband a while to 'tame' me (bring me to my senses) -- but HE was worth it, and as it turned out, so was I.)

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 10:02 AM  

@57 I watched the rose-colored glasses destroy a friend's marriage. His wife could never compare to the young woman, a casual romp from years past, who literally behaved like a porno star during their little tryst. (I argue that she did this quite intentionally, intending to "put her face on his every subsequent 'O,'" a phrase used nearly verbatim by a college suitemate of my wife.) Doesn't the Bible warn of temptresses and harlots?

Axiom: Everything we experience becomes a permanent part of us.

Blogger Michael Maier August 23, 2017 10:03 AM  

Yeah, the Scalzi thing is weird.

I've had really, really intense desire pop up talking to certain women. It's not my usual "ooooo, hot woman!" thing. It's more like a magnetism that doesn't make sense. It might be a hormonal scent thing since I have a much slighter effect happen when I smell vanilla on a woman.

But whatever it is, when it happens, I just enjoy it and flirt.

I'm a man. I crave women. It's not rocket science.

Anonymous fop August 23, 2017 10:04 AM  

Added Bonus Creepo Fun-Factoid:

The infamous "Scalzi wearing a dress" photo was taken while Mary Robinette Kowal looked on. In fact, she lent him the dress.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 23, 2017 10:05 AM  

The bible says a man should love his wife, she should respect her husband. It's not mutual respect, for obvious reasons.

Women need love, men need respect. Its that simple.

Blogger Michael Maier August 23, 2017 10:09 AM  

But Whedon... I was annoyed by his constant emasculation of men in show he did. It's horrifying on some level to imagine how much he castrated every male in every show except for Mal on Firefly.

.....Except the black guys, now that I think of it. Gunn on Angel and the dude banging Faith on Buffy were somewhat whipped but not anything like the whiteys. And I haven't watched for a good while but the black dudes on SHIELD weren't emasculated either.

Blogger RedPill Angel August 23, 2017 10:09 AM  

The creepiest thing is this modern use of the word "creepy" to mean men having sexual thoughts about women. It's creepy for a grown man to have sexual thoughts about children; it's normal for grown men to have sexual thoughts about grown women, and then make adult decisions about whether and how to act on them. Little girls think sexual attention from men is "creepy," and modern feminists are little girls. Scalzi is virtue-signaling his creeped-out act because as a feminist he must play pretend to think like a little girl. This could explain a lot about his relationship with his wife, who looks like an adult man herself, except somewhat better looking than her husband. I imagine it's very confusing for all concerned.

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2017 10:10 AM  

@38 there is no way that any woman who has *ever* been a 4 or higher would not be instantly repulsed by him. It's not to say he doesn't have his charms

You're not seeing him through a woman's eyes -- it's like with gay guys; he's cute and charming and boyish-- like a FOUR-yr-old! And women are naturally / biologically drawn to children! We get an awwwww reaction (will we, nil we!) to cute children with childish mannerisms (hey, he even plays dress-up!).

All that you describe IS a 4-yr-old (damaged) boy acting out the way he learned to as a child to get attention and care.

(Certainly, I'm NOT writing that I think well of him -- but I can 'feel' the draw from his pix. I prefer adult males, silverbacks, men in the fullness of their power -- but there is STILL a biological draw to care for and nurture boy-men.)

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 10:13 AM  

@60 Sincerest apologies for getting this far into the weeds.
No, I'm not a Biblical (or any other) literalist.

And last I checked, my life, my beliefs, my attitudes had not one damned thing to do with the ascent of the lunacy that surrounds us. I'm an ant, riding on a leaf that floats down a wide river.

It seems we work from different definitions of the word, "respect." The best you can do is suggest that my approach's demonstrated success only applies to relatively unusual people like my wife and me. If that's your position, I bow to its unassailability. We are peculiar individuals.

If, however, you think I'm outright wrong, then you must assume my claims are false. If that's the case, man up and say it. Either way, I'm ending my trip OT into the weeks. We return you to your previously scheduled topic. Whedon is a hypocrite and lower than pond scum.

Blogger modsquad August 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

All men are hunters, some use a ghillie suit.

Blogger Chiva August 23, 2017 10:16 AM  

"In fact, she lent him the dress."

Ah, that is why it fit him.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 10:19 AM  

Male feminists are false fronts.

Totally disagree. Feminism is exactly what it says it is: an overt perversion of patriarchy.

Every male Feminist is openly exercising his training against nature.

The fact that some broads are still anti-Feminist enough to believe in marriage to a feminist may be idiotic, but this stupidity is not due to illusion of any sort.

On the other hand, I can't believe Scalzi publicly admitted to sockpuppet thoughts with the puppetmistress. He was perverting patriarchy completely without that little nugget of squee emerging from the bowels of his character.

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2017 10:22 AM  

@51 unless those men are all sampling the same f-ing whore, they're doing the dishonorable service of despoiling the future wives of other men

Which is why I so disapprove of the whole PU game! And why I think ill of Roosh -- he is TEACHING males how to despoil these future wives! Instead of helping men to not damage White women as future wives -- and perhaps helping the women to return to modesty and virtue by NOT catting after them -- he and his ilk are 'rolling' in it.

And if you HATE HATE HATE Boomers for 'rolling' in it when they/we were young, ("it" being the destruction of our nation's standards that we DID NOT VOTE FOR: I was 14 in 1965 -- what was *I* to do to stop the Immigration Act?!), then WHY do you not hate the whole 'PU and Game' crap, which is CLEARLY helping further the destruction?

Where will you or your kids find nice virtuous White women to marry, if you support and allow a Persian to 'game' and teach 'game' against White women? (Or are you all too old and too married to care?)

Do Christians SHUN sinners and those who would lead others to sin, or support them as friends? 'If your hand offends you, cut it off'? If your friend offends you (and your people) ... then what?

I apologize (to you) Vox for insulting your friend -- but I don't see where one decides to draw the line? If a sinning friend is recoverable, should you not help him recover? And if he refuses "recovery" ...?

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 23, 2017 10:23 AM  

@61. glosoli
Maybe use different words.

Blogger dh August 23, 2017 10:24 AM  

All that you describe IS a 4-yr-old (damaged) boy acting out the way he learned to as a child to get attention and care.

And not to get to pop-psychology on the matter, but this is pretty classic presentment of boys who are: a) institutionalized at some point and/or b) grew up without a father or strong male role model.

Incidentally, both of which apply to John Scalzi.

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2017 10:26 AM  

Ah, I still miss Firefly...Oh well...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 10:28 AM  

@51. dc, You've got me wrong. I'm not arguing for polygamy under "normal" circumstances. However, I also must point out that from a historical perspective, what we modern Christians in the USA think of as normal isn't very.

Historically, polygamy happened because men got killed. Be it at war or because they were otherwise unsuccessful... they just got killed. They still do, really, but it's a much, much less extreme ratio today.

I also didn't say "thou shalt go forth and man-wh**e." I said "Polygamy." There's a big difference. No, I don't think it's healthy either for men to do that. On the completely other hand, historically polygamy is not exactly abnormal, for several reasons beyond just survival rates. I think this alone bypasses about half (or more) of your comment. You jumped to conclusions about what I meant. To be fair, I can't blame you. A lot of guys come here from Heartiste or etc. and that's exactly what they would probably be saying.

I don't really think we have any other disagreements, as I addressed your argument from respect in a manner that I suspect we can mutually agree on.

@59. dc, what you're calling mutual respect for your children I would call respect for God for having gifted you with them, or possibly respect for their potential. There's really not a lot else there to respect if you go back far enough. Yes, I get that parents have feelings for their kids, but those feelings aren't typically "respect" when the tykes are knee-high.

Granted, your relationship with your wife sounds like mutual respect. As I said, she apparently either didn't need to learn, or already has, and the same could be said for you.

As far as relationships being based on dominance... that's been about, what 95% or more of human history? Typically it's the dominance of the father over his daughter, for arranged marriages, for instance (and this segues into husband/wife dynamics), but other systems have come and gone as well. Love/charity/respect can grow from that foundation, just like any other IF it's a strong foundation.

@66. Ron, there is that, too, but I think it's more of a difference of ratios. Men have a higher need for respect, women have a higher need for love. I can still respect a woman's ability to bear children (something I certainly can't do) for example, and she can still appreciate respect, but it's not primarily what she's after.

Blogger OGRE August 23, 2017 10:29 AM  

basementhomebrewer wroteI did also note that it does play into something else Vox has noted. Gamma's have an inexplicable attraction to red hair.

Thats also a thing with many Italian men. Half my grandparents were born in Calabria, and a redheaded Irish lass can draw me in like a goddam Siren. I'd presume Scalzi is of Italian descent from his surname.

Blogger Silly but True August 23, 2017 10:30 AM  

OT (sort of):
Phoenix protest is meme gold. If people with better editing skills than I haven't begun meme'ing the crap out of the Marxist getting rubber pelleted in the nads trying to kick teargas back at police then it is the biggest lost opportunity ever.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 10:32 AM  

Really, we're all talking about multi-faceted relationships from single aspects. I'm trying not to assume others are literally thinking only that aspect exists, and I hope they'll do the same for me.

Blogger Elwin Ransom August 23, 2017 10:34 AM  

"He always had a lot of female friends, but he told me it was because his mother raised him as a feminist, so he just liked women better."

This is why you raise your daughters well, in the unvarnished truth, that way they can spot that BS from a mile off and realize what they are dealing with.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 10:35 AM  

Do Christians SHUN sinners and those who would lead others to sin, or support them as friends?

Are you a Christian?

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2017 10:39 AM  

@60 The bible says a man should love his wife, she should respect her husband.

Recommend reading:
Emmerson Eggerichs excellent (mostly religiously based) book; "Love & Respect: The Love She Most Desires; The Respect He Desperately Needs. (Eggerichs provides the science too).

He's a pastor; and struggled (as every minister does) with marriage counseling. And in prayer and thinking one day. he realized that the Bible verse you quote is often (usually?) MIS-understood.

JUST as all the counselors and pastors in the Christian world try to 'fix' struggling marriages by advising and advising and advising men to "love" their wives ("try this, do that, tell her this, don't do that; EVEN, maybe even especially, when she is NOT being lovable"); the OTHER half of that directive is:

And "wives must respect their husbands" -- but NO ONE notices (or noticed till he did), there is no 'out' on that part -- it's not 'wives must respect him (men) WHEN he/they are ACTING respectable.' The usual feminist rant: "Well, maybe I WILL respect him, as soon as he starts acting respectable!!"

But she/they (and, once upon a time, "we") would NEVER agree to a man who might say:" well yes, I WILL love her, as soon as she starts acting loveable!"


(Brilliant brilliant book: HIGHLY recommend it for all folks, married or not! And, when I first read it, I was made uncomfortable by the religious / Christian basis, but because he also includes the science I could gloss over the religion. Now, I accept as part of cultural Christianity, and it helps everyone. And not all airy-fairy, thinkt his way and all will be well. It's think this way so you DO (and don't do) these THINGS, and all will be better and better.)

(And no slavery or White sharia -- good solid advice how to make it work for BOTH partners!)

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 10:40 AM  


Where will you or your kids find nice virtuous White women to marry, if you support and allow a Persian to 'game' and teach 'game' against White women? (Or are you all too old and too married to care?)


Correction, Roosh is only half Persian. The other half is Kardashian- American.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 August 23, 2017 10:40 AM  

Feminism has always been a Trojan Horse.

When I was growing up, the ERA was the Holy Grail necessary to combat the evil rightwing trait of sexism. Without this amendment being enshrined in our Constitution, women would be forever barefoot and pregnant instead of reaching their fullest potential.

It was a horsefull of lefty crap!

A market research company study concluded that in 147 out of 150 large cities women earned more than men in their peer group.

The advancement of women is overwhelmingly due to technology making the workplace far more amenable to them.

The tragedy of modern women being barren sluts who live in apartments with dogs as substitute children is the primary accomplishment of feminism.


Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

@74. "Do Christians SHUN sinners and those who would lead others to sin, or support them as friends?"

Depends. If the sinner is still willfully sinning and has no intention of even reconsidering it, you shun them. Again from the "learning from pain" perspective, they need to feel the pain of social isolation, at the very least.

On the other hand, if they're trying to at least re-think things, you stretch your hand out as far as you're able to catch them and pull them in.

Anonymous bbgkb August 23, 2017 10:44 AM  

the idea of Jim Hines being a rape counselor.

A lot of that going on
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/convicted-rapist-caught-working-rape-counseling-center-article-1.3411918

Blogger Jesse August 23, 2017 10:45 AM  

His ex is a fool though: It's not "hypocrisy" for him to claim to be a feminist and then to "take away [her] right to make decisions for [her] own body based on the truth." The purpose of feminism is for men to have free license to destroy themselves and the women they are responsible for. A chivalrous feminist man? She was hoping for a unicorn.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 10:47 AM  

@89. Jesse, I OBJECT!



...Unicorns may actually have existed at some point. Who knows.

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2017 10:50 AM  

@83 Are you a Christian?

Culturally. Not there yet. Still trying to find the path.

Anonymous DaveInjustice August 23, 2017 10:50 AM  

And "wives must respect their husbands" -- but NO ONE notices (or noticed till he did), there is no 'out' on that part -- it's not 'wives must respect him (men) WHEN he/they are ACTING respectable.' The usual feminist rant: "Well, maybe I WILL respect him, as soon as he starts acting respectable!!"


There's a few women on Twitter I've noticed like that. The claim to want a return to the traditional order but refuse to follow men that aren't Worthy. The irony of course is that They are the ones who determine who is worthy. A nice bit of hocus pocus to disguise hypergamy as traditionalism and to ltry leading from the back

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 23, 2017 10:51 AM  

Desdichado wrote:And all of Scalzi's creepy obsession is over... Mary Robinette Kowal; a man-faced, and extremely plain woman. She's not exactly UGLY, but she sure as hell isn't attractive.
Most men know what league they're in, and Scalzi is telling us here that she was out of his league.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 10:51 AM  

Culturally. Not there yet. Still trying to find the path.

If you're not a Christian, you should stop telling Christians what to do.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 23, 2017 10:51 AM  

Smells like Werther's Originals mixed with baby powder and month-old bed sheets in here.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 10:56 AM  

@8 Steve, do you happen to know when Hines will be modeling for the cover of this romance novel?

Anonymous DaveInjustice August 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

You mean that's NOT Hines?

Blogger Markku August 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

Roosh abides with cultural standards of non-Christians, only, he shares some of the knowledge learned from it, which is important for young Christian men whose fathers failed to teach this stuff. If Roosh becomes a Christian, then we'll expect different standards.

Blogger Pirran August 23, 2017 11:02 AM  

I thought Scalzi's comments at the end of the piece were particularly illustrative:

"Hi there, I’m generally considered to be socialized, neurotypical and a decent guy. And oh my I had quite the potential to be a creeping assbag on Mary, among others. But I haven’t been, because I’m responsible for my own actions and I realize no one deserves to be creeped on by me even when the reptile portions of my brain are howling TAKE HER TAKE HER TAKE HER NOW."

More than a little obsessive and indicative of the inner turmoil of the true creep. The fawning, toe licking fetishist is always there, just waiting to burst out. As others have noted, ginger man-jawed Mary is hardly the object of ubiquitous lust, unless you happen to go for large testosterone soaked women. Speaking of which, I wonder if he gets his wife to role-play in a red wig?

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 11:03 AM  

dh wrote:All that you describe IS a 4-yr-old (damaged) boy acting out the way he learned to as a child to get attention and care.

And not to get to pop-psychology on the matter, but this is pretty classic presentment of boys who are: a) institutionalized at some point and/or b) grew up without a father or strong male role model.

Incidentally, both of which apply to John Scalzi.


dh, so he was shoehorned into the school for the wealthy and subsequently "scholarshipped" to UChicago?

Affirmative action gives people a boost by crushing them into the ceiling.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 11:04 AM  

Affirmative action gives people a boost by crushing them into the ceiling.

Not sure you can blame him on affirmative action

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 11:05 AM  

Can't decide if Josh Whedon is more of a Sigma or a Gamma. Either one would fit, but there's no way to determine that only by what his ex wife says. He doesn't look to be in the Hugo Schwyzer mold. The reply at the end from Whedon is more restrained than the average Gamma.

Gamma Scalz'is confession is like a self-criticism session from Mao's China. Well, feminism is leftism so, duh.

What the Boomers and Xr's here need to understand is this: that Scalzi internal dialog with all the "ok? not ok? deliberate touch? accidental touch?" checks is pretty close to the way young men are being taught to relate to women. Check out any freshman anti-sexual-harassment session on any college campus. Those are mandatory this time of year.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 11:08 AM  

This reminds of that one time when John Scalzi raped and tortured a guy's wife fictionally with such zeal he horrified an Oscar-winning woman in real life.

"oh God Oh God this horrible idea of yours get it off me right now."

Blogger Murray August 23, 2017 11:09 AM  

“When I was running ‘Buffy,’ I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive young women. It felt like I had a disease, like something from a Greek myth. Suddenly I am a powerful producer and the world is laid out at my feet and I can’t touch it.”

Note that Whedon's rationale is essentially the same as Trump's in his infamous "grab 'em by the pussy" remarks. That is, when you're a powerful, high-status man (a billionaire or a movie director, say), a certain subset of women will be so eager for your attention that they'll allow you great latitude in what you can do with them.

You'd therefore expect a scrupulous man in Whedon's situation to maintain a dignified silence in the face of the Access Hollywood tapes, given that he's guilty of the same thing. Did he? I haven't checked, but I'm betting the answer is no.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass August 23, 2017 11:12 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@51 unless those men are all sampling the same f-ing whore, they're doing the dishonorable service of despoiling the future wives of other men

Which is why I so disapprove of the whole PU game! And why I think ill of Roosh -- he is TEACHING males how to despoil these future wives! Instead of helping men to not damage White women as future wives -- and perhaps helping the women to return to modesty and virtue by NOT catting after them -- he and his ilk are 'rolling' in it.

And if you HATE HATE HATE Boomers for 'rolling' in it when they/we were young, ("it" being the destruction of our nation's standards that we DID NOT VOTE FOR: I was 14 in 1965 -- what was *I* to do to stop the Immigration Act?!), then WHY do you not hate the whole 'PU and Game' crap, which is CLEARLY helping further the destruction?

Where will you or your kids find nice virtuous White women to marry, if you support and allow a Persian to 'game' and teach 'game' against White women? (Or are you all too old and too married to care?)

Do Christians SHUN sinners and those who would lead others to sin, or support them as friends? 'If your hand offends you, cut it off'? If your friend offends you (and your people) ... then what?

I apologize (to you) Vox for insulting your friend -- but I don't see where one decides to draw the line? If a sinning friend is recoverable, should you not help him recover? And if he refuses "recovery" ...?


Have people forgotten that the 26th Amendment didn't lower the voting age until the '70s? The earliest Boomers, born in '45, were 20 when Hart Cellar was passed in '65.

On Roosh, as I tell my gf, he's a douche. Personally, it's hilarious (from a tragic standpoint) that he complains about women studying worthless subjects in college when their in prime fertile years. While he is right, he's had so many women he can almost certainly never pair bond for the rest of his life.

Also, Whedon's affairs make me wonder if The Big Bang Theory will have him on as a guest star any time soon? Oh who am I kidding? Of course they will!

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass August 23, 2017 11:13 AM  

They're not their

Blogger Giraffe August 23, 2017 11:14 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Can't decide if Josh Whedon is more of a Sigma or a Gamma. Either one would fit, but there's no way to determine that only by what his ex wife says. He doesn't look to be in the Hugo Schwyzer mold. The reply at the end from Whedon is more restrained than the average Gamma.


Gamma. Only Gamma will would have to pretend to be feminist to get in a womans pants.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 11:15 AM  

Gamma. Married to this for 15 years

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 23, 2017 11:19 AM  

. Desdichado August 23, 2017 8:59 AM
She's not exactly UGLY, but she sure as hell isn't attractive.


you forgot to handicap your score for two considerations:
1 - the general skiffy authoress crowd
2 - what Scalzi married

Kowal is probably at the upper bound of what Scalzi can self conceptualize as a 'stretch goal'.


15. Sherwood family August 23, 2017 9:00 AM
But why on earth tell the rest of us?


because you'd never know how righteous and moral he was if he didn't make a point of informing you about all the things he COULD HAVE done, but refrained.


"I definitely didn’t go out of my way to touch her."

34. Cleveland Screamer August 23, 2017 9:18 AM
Jesus..


avatar handle is applicable.


59. dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 9:56 AM
I outweigh my wife by close to 100 lbs. I'm probably 5-10 times stronger than she. I tower over her. This was no different than when I raised kids who were (obviously) tiny and weak, comparatively. Mutual respect was the basis for my family, and IT WORKED.



i think you don't know the difference between deference and mutual respect.


did you often follow the instructions your children gave you?


because, according to your "mutual respect" metric, you should follow their instructions just as much as they follow yours.



65. fop August 23, 2017 10:04 AM
In fact, she lent him the dress.



nope. nope, not creepy at all.

*shakes head*

*walks away*



Joss Whedon has an incredibly lopsided face. very over developed on the right side ( assuming the no picture flip ), almost as if he doesn't masticate with the left side of his jaw.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTg5MzQ0MDA4MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzUwOTk4OQ@@._V1_UY317_CR12,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook August 23, 2017 11:21 AM  

"Gamma. Married to this for 15 years"

Willem Defoe does drag?

Anonymous Killua August 23, 2017 11:21 AM  

"You're not seeing him through a woman's eyes -- it's like with gay guys; he's cute and charming and boyish-- like a FOUR-yr-old! And women are naturally / biologically drawn to children! We get an awwwww reaction (will we, nil we!) to cute children with childish mannerisms (hey, he even plays dress-up!)."

This, exactly. Reminds me of Asuka's attraction towards Shinji in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Shinji acts like a complete pussy and she falls in love with him for no reason. Also reminds me of every harem manga ever. There is this guy acting like a complete loser all the time and girls fall for him for no reason.

I do not consider "creepy" to hit on women you work with. More like very unprofesional. If there is a girl you like at work you shouldn't go for her no matter how tempting it is. You can just befriend her and she will probably introduce you to some of her friends.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 11:22 AM  

What the Boomers and Xr's here need to understand is this: that Scalzi internal dialog with all the "ok? not ok? deliberate touch? accidental touch?" checks is pretty close to the way young men are being taught to relate to women. Check out any freshman anti-sexual-harassment session on any college campus. Those are mandatory this time of year.

Yes...but the greatest satirists of this idiocy are the Zyklons, who openly and totally ironically accuse each other of microagressions for everything.

I crack up every time I hear it happen. Especially when some gal asks a guy for the time and he barks "microaggression!" at her. Everyone who isn't a tard, a gamma or an ugly woman gets the joke.

In social settings, you can tell which guys will give the "harrassment dialog" indifference, which ones will sneer at it, which ones will subvert it to turn on the ladies, and which guy is the creep who internalizes the hell out of it in hopes of begging some sex.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 11:22 AM  

@104 Which is reminder #38746 why seeking decency or respect-worthiness in Hollywood's sewer of hypocrisy is so laughable.

Today's penchant for seeking comments from rich, arrogant, narcissistic clowns in the Entertainment Industry is naught but a belly-laugh.

All of the people who "follow" on FB, Twitter, etc. those who are famous for their Entertainment exploits in Hollywood, on the boob tube, music (poster child: Beyonce Knowles), etc. could disappear tomorrow and the mean IQ of North America would rise noticeably.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise August 23, 2017 11:25 AM  

My understanding so far:

Alpha male = women are not the boss
Beta male = women are the boss
Gamma male = a woman

Not sure about Delta and Omega males. Can anyone help?

(Also, let's create an Omicron male, because cool-sounding.)

Blogger Michael Maier August 23, 2017 11:27 AM  

"oh God Oh God this horrible idea of yours get it off me right now."

And that WORKED to cow him for life... what a pathetic weasel.

"Rape Rape" (as Whoppi put it) is awful. That's the damned point. It's why it was a death penalty offense for much of America's history.

I hate these cowardly bitch libtards. They LOL at real life male castration and male-on-male rape in prison.

But a serial killer raping a woman IN A BOOK? Oh, well that's just too far beyond the pale to be acceptable!

It's like Whedon scripting Loki in Avengers, calling Black Widow a mewling quim. Never you mind he's a murderer... but being misogynistic... OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2017 11:27 AM  

@110 Willem Defoe does drag?

No. He's got the lips to pull it off.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 11:27 AM  

My understanding so far:

Alpha male = women are not the boss
Beta male = women are the boss
Gamma male = a woman

Not sure about Delta and Omega males. Can anyone help?


Voxian beta males don't think women are the boss.

Deltas probably do.

Omegas hate women.

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 11:30 AM  

@dc

Interesting, I asked you a direct question on whether you support biblical patriarchy, and you replied with this:

'No, I'm not a Biblical (or any other) literalist.'

Are you answering 'No' you do not support the restoration of biblical patriarchy, just to be clear. Are you happy with a matriarchial world? Or do you think we should go 50/50 with the ladies? Or some clever dc plan yet to be shared with the world? Enlighten me please.

I guess you don't believe Jesus really rose from the dead, or that God literally created the heavens and earth? You think you know better eh?

You wrote: 'And last I checked, my life, my beliefs, my attitudes had not one damned thing to do with the ascent of the lunacy that surrounds us. I'm an ant, riding on a leaf that floats down a wide river.'

Boomer!!!

You also wrote:

'It seems we work from different definitions of the word, "respect."'

You appear to be attempting to argue from a post-modernist position: there are so many truths and realities, let's just redefine the whole world so we can mean anything. There is only one known meaning of the word respect, and it will never apply to women.

I don't give a shit about or you wife or your kids. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say your wife is the leader in your household, and perhaps is actually writing these comments.

I give a shit about saving Western civilisation, and restoring God's Kingdom on earth.

I have deduced the following about you:

1. You're a fake Christian
2. You're a fake man.
3. You're a progressive.

You should be commenting at Salon or Vogue.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 11:32 AM  

@107 Giraffe

Gamma. Only Gamma will would have to pretend to be feminist to get in a womans pants.

If his mother really "raised him as a feminist" then he wouldn't know anything else, so he wouldn't be pretending, that would be his baseline. He's believe his own lines. He'd talk feminism because he wouldn't know any better. Looking at his basic bio he was soaked in feminism from the start, just like the Red diaper babies were soaking in Communism 24/7.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Joss_Whedon

That comment about "bullying" looks Gamma but still could be Sigma.

Blogger Bill Halsey August 23, 2017 11:34 AM  

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Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 23, 2017 11:37 AM  

qualitycontrol wrote:

@5. glosoli

Why are you in favor of slavery? I don't want to own fat and ugly slobs and I don't think you want to own these "women". I'm all in favor for fixing gender relations but you don't do it by implementing a "white sharia". You do it by stopping wealth redistributions between men and women. Once women don't have a backup husband called goverment they'll make sure to keep their husband happy within one generation.


Daughters should be under their father's authority until they marry. Thereafter, they should be under their husband's authority. This is patriarchy. Patriarchy is nothing like slavery.

If you don't want to ``own'' ugly, fat slobs, don't raise your daughters to be ugly, fat slobs, don't marry one, don't let your wife devolve into one. These things are possible under patriarchy.

Without patriarchy, ugly, fat slobs own you.

Blogger Elizabeth August 23, 2017 11:38 AM  

glosoli wrote:We really need to restore patriarchy and the ownership of women.

Adultery punished by the father or husband.

Cast them out into the wilderness. Or stone them.


The issue here is adultery by the husband. Is that okay with you?

In the days of the Old Testament, thou shalt not commit adultery meant don't screw another man's property. Polygamous societies don't value male fidelity and strongly patriarchal societies don't value male chastity, either.

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Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 11:50 AM  

@112 VFM #6306
In social settings, you can tell which guys will give the "harrassment dialog" indifference, which ones will sneer at it, which ones will subvert it to turn on the ladies, and which guy is the creep who internalizes the hell out of it in hopes of begging some sex.

@120 Bill Halsey

Only Manginas and idiots take that stuff seriously, much less internalise it.


Well, yeah and no. There are also the Millennial / Z guys in church who got that stuff dumped on them too, and because it was mixed in with the usual youthgroup some of them buy into it for a while. Either of you know any "purity ring" families?

The homeschooled guys don't know any better, since mom is their teacher. The Christian school guys don't get as much of the brainwashing but they do get "purity" culture. The guys who were raised by a feminist mom that divorced their dad get a triple dose. There's more of those than you might expect.


Lots of college guys have been brainwashed by their mom, their Boomertard pastor, their X'r youthgroup leader, their school teachers and now the X'r diversity hire "college life" commissar. The more based ones are already like VFM #6306 says. Others are still learning. When they get based, man are they pissed.

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2017 11:55 AM  

Jordan Peterson gets it, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBK8QktuViw

Blogger Giraffe August 23, 2017 11:57 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@107 Giraffe

Gamma. Only Gamma will would have to pretend to be feminist to get in a womans pants.

If his mother really "raised him as a feminist" then he wouldn't know anything else, so he wouldn't be pretending, .......


If his mother raised him as a feminist, then he's not an alpha. Sigma doesn't care about social constructs like feminism.

Blogger heyjames4 August 23, 2017 11:58 AM  

@124. You've got it right. We didn't know any better. We got taught all the wrong things from every available authority. Then we learned to believe our own eyes. And we got very very pissed off.

Blogger tuberman August 23, 2017 11:59 AM  

Joss Whedon's directions are obvious and have been going on ever since Marxism and Feminism got a good start. It is a major part of the dishonesty that inhabits everything about these people. It all starts with women's dishonesty within themselves, and then men going along with their dishonesty to have them.

I have to disagree with Avalanche here, as the women approached by Players are often "Sex in the City" type women in training at least and already corrupt. They are not looking for "normal nice guys" to settle down with, and often look at them as losers. They are looking to "sow their wild oats," and then perhaps find some rich guy that meets their excessively materialistic standards.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 12:00 PM  

@126 Giraffe


If his mother raised him as a feminist, then he's not an alpha.


So?

Sigma doesn't care about social constructs like feminism.

Still can't decide if he's a sigma or gamma. Looking at his wife vs. the girls on Buffy's set, is it a total mystery why he decided to grab some? Maybe he was raised gamma and turned sigma.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 23, 2017 12:01 PM  

Women, stay away from leftist men. You will get hurt. The incentives are all wrong.

https://youtu.be/wimIY4T_QWY

Why do feminist women think all men are scum? They hang out with leftist men.

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 12:05 PM  

@122,

Yes, I was referring to the men being cast out or stoned.
The woman, I doubt any other man would want a slut anwyay.

Anonymous Iron Spartan August 23, 2017 12:11 PM  

Its rather amazing how many "male feminists" end up as registered sex offenders

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 12:11 PM  

Got to feel some pity for Scalzi's daughter. In so many ways. Not to mention any guy she ever brings home.

Blogger Elizabeth August 23, 2017 12:14 PM  

glosoli wrote:@122,

Yes, I was referring to the men being cast out or stoned.

The woman, I doubt any other man would want a slut anwyay.


Historically, there were two kinds of women in the world: the good girl a man married and a bad girl that he fornicated/cheated with. A man might despise a bad girl, but he'll still use her.

A man might seduce or even rape a virgin woman and then despise her afterwards. The rape of Tamar by her half brother Amnon in the Old Testament is an example.

Blogger pyrrhus August 23, 2017 12:17 PM  

More O/T...225 year old Statue of Columbus smashed in Baltimore...http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/347341-christopher-columbus-statue-in-baltimore-smashed

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 12:18 PM  

@122. Elizabeth, old Jewish law was weird in some ways that I'm not sure I'll ever get, such as if a woman was not married or betrothed and was raped, they'd make the rapist marry her.

I ascribe this to some combination of:

A: Victims not coming forward in some cases (possibly with the intent of avoiding this outcome).

B: The possibility that it wasn't actually against her will (but it wasn't her decision, so it was rape if her father didn't like it).

C: The ability of the woman to actually turn this around (in case of [B]) on her rapist as a 'gotcha' card.

D: If she wasn't betrothed already, perhaps her parents were having difficulties finding someone? Oh look a volunteer!

E: Still best option for the children (maybe?) if she got pregnant?...

F: No one else wants her now, so she's your responsibility, idiot...

G: They were just less removed from the physical power aspect of the thing than we are, hypothetically: "Father/brothers failed on the defense, no Goalie (betrothal/husband), to the victor go the spoils."


Who knows...

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2017 12:19 PM  

"All men are hunters, some use a ghillie suit."

This should win the COTW award. Very funny !

Blogger dh August 23, 2017 12:21 PM  

dh, so he was shoehorned into the school for the wealthy and subsequently "scholarshipped" to UChicago?

Yes, he went to an elitish prep boarding school. I can't remember the exact one at the moment, but I recall looking it up a while back and it was decidely middle-tier if memory serves. It wasn't Eton. But yeah he was fish out of water for sure.

I remember when I first read "Old Man's War", in an airport lounge, and a few of the subsequent stories in that tale, that the author was very likely someone who had a very skewed perspective on how men relate to each other in a natural and mutually trusting environment. It's just not how men self-select leaders of the in-group which he can't relate, he can't but help mis-imagine the things that go on in the heads of rational, sane, men as they make their decisions.

His little conceit about the "reptile brain" is a perfect demonstration of him failing to understand what a normal person goes through. Attraction isn't a dialog in your head, it's a feeling.

Besides his defective upbringing, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some other trauma in there - potentially in high-school or early college years - that involves hazing or even other forms of abuse. He's certainly the type that would be attractive to a past-the-wall cat lady instructor, for example.

Blogger OGRE August 23, 2017 12:25 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:This reminds of that one time when John Scalzi raped and tortured a guy's wife fictionally with such zeal he horrified an Oscar-winning woman in real life.

"oh God Oh God this horrible idea of yours get it off me right now."


Hes not a very realistic writer then if he abstains from including rapes in his work. How can one accurately depict life from a non-male gendered individual's perspective when at least a quarter of such persons experience a raping during their college years?

Blogger Elizabeth August 23, 2017 12:25 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:@122. Elizabeth, old Jewish law was weird in some ways that I'm not sure I'll ever get, such as if a woman was not married or betrothed and was raped, they'd make the rapist marry her.

I ascribe this to some combination of:

A: Victims not coming forward in some cases (possibly with the intent of avoiding this outcome).

B: The possibility that it wasn't actually against her will (but it wasn't her decision, so it was rape if her father didn't like it).

C: The ability of the woman to actually turn this around (in case of [B]) on her rapist as a 'gotcha' card.

D: If she wasn't betrothed already, perhaps her parents were having difficulties finding someone? Oh look a volunteer!

E: Still best option for the children (maybe?) if she got pregnant?...

F: No one else wants her now, so she's your responsibility, idiot...

G: They were just less removed from the physical power aspect of the thing than we are, hypothetically: "Father/brothers failed on the defense, no Goalie (betrothal/husband), to the victor go the spoils."

Who knows...


Good reasons. You're right, who knows? At the very least, after the rape she was a shopworn good. In the case of Tamar, she went to her full brother Absalom's house and her eventually arranged for the murder of Amnon. The Moslems would have stoned her to death.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 12:26 PM  

@139. OGRE, he doesn't abstain.

He just has the womyn rape the gammas.

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 23, 2017 12:29 PM  

@121. Ominous Cowherd
What exactly does Patriarchy mean for you here? Is it institutional or cultural? I'm all for Fathers looking after their children but I don't think the idea of enforcing "patriarchy" through institutions is good.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 12:33 PM  

I remember when I first read "Old Man's War", in an airport lounge

Respect

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2017 12:36 PM  

Hoo- yeah..we've got a live one folks.!
A one man army whose going to save Western Civ. from the commenters found herein.
A legend in his own mind

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 12:40 PM  

For all the things that Freud got really, really wrong, he did make some insightful points.

@142. qualitycontrol, Patriarchy doesn't need to be enforced through institutions. Ideally it reinforces itself and is enforced by nature.

Blogger pyrrhus August 23, 2017 12:41 PM  

@57 dc.sunsets--From a spiritual perspective, I totally agree with you. From an evolutionary perspective, Genghis Khan, who had children by an estimated 500+ women, mostly by force, was the most successful male of the last 2,000 years with 18 million male descendants....I don't know whether Genghis was a happy man or not, however.

Blogger pyrrhus August 23, 2017 12:45 PM  

@145 Given the differences between men and women, the only way Patriarchy can NOT be the system is social institutions that inhibit or prevent it, which seem to arise from women getting the vote...

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 12:47 PM  

@38 dh
On Scalzi

The man has no posture, he holds himself like 15 year old girl. Slouching, sitting with bad posture, crossing his legs like a lady is par for the course. He holds his head at unseemly angles when he listens to you talk. When he speaks he rights his head and animates himself unnaturally for emphasis. He often laughs at his own jokes before he's done telling them. They don't flow naturally and are not placed well into conversations. Conversations appear to be stilted to find opportunities to insert his humorous asides or observations.

Does it seem that conversation with him is sort of like interacting with a rule-based AI? Having worked with some mildly autistic men who acted like they memorized a rule book of "everyday conversation: 1.0 - the office" I have to wonder about this. Especially when Scalzi goes out of his way to say how neurotypical he is, because how many normal people would use that word in that way?

Anonymous qualitycontrol August 23, 2017 12:49 PM  

@145. Azure Amaranthine
Ohh... thats good to know. I'm arguing for that type of patryarchy since my first post.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2017 12:52 PM  

meme'ing the crap out of the Marxist getting rubber pelleted in the nads

Not to worry. At one point last night or this morning I think half the top threads on /pol/ were on that topic.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 23, 2017 12:52 PM  

Hilarious that Scalzi would write about going through his "Try Not To Be Creepy" checklist and failing miserably.

Anonymous fop August 23, 2017 12:57 PM  

"oh God Oh God this horrible idea of yours get it off me right now."

Interesting that Scalzi boasts publicly that he's never written a rape scene, then immediately thereafter goes on to write a book where one of the principle characters repeatedly rapes people.

Blogger Troushers August 23, 2017 12:57 PM  

It sure is a long-winded way of saying "I popped a visible boner"

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2017 12:58 PM  

I have to give props to Joss Whedon's wife for daring to speak out about it.

Let's face it she sounded scared and rightfully so.

SJWs do not like it at all when they have to face the truth about their heroes.

Blogger Thucydides August 23, 2017 1:01 PM  

In Canada we had the case of Jian Ghomeshi, who actually enrolled in "Women's Studies" in order to be near women. Later on, as a radio host, he was accused of assaulting women (although the story gets even weirder, since the accusers were in long term relations with him and having consensual "rough sex", often even after the times when they claimed assault).

Any man who is in a "studies" program is quite possibly also using this as a means of getting closer to potential victims, so be alert for that.

Anonymous Grayman August 23, 2017 1:02 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@145 Given the differences between men and women, the only way Patriarchy can NOT be the system is social institutions that inhibit or prevent it, which seem to arise from women getting the vote...

And female societies are generally unstable at best since they are based upon emotional responses to the environment as opposed to rational ones. The world doesnt care about your "feelz" it will kill you either way.

Blogger VD August 23, 2017 1:06 PM  

Besides his defective upbringing, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some other trauma in there - potentially in high-school or early college years - that involves hazing or even other forms of abuse. He's certainly the type that would be attractive to a past-the-wall cat lady instructor, for example.

He was hit by a car and spent a year in a wheelchair while in elementary school. He's written about having to stay in the nurse's office during recess while all the other kids were outside. I suspect he's never recovered from the social stigma he experienced at a very young age, which was later compounded by his being unable to fit in at the prep school.

Children can be cruel, and I have no doubt that Scalzi suffered tremendously at the hands of his peers. But that doesn't justify his refusal to grow out of his childish mindset.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 23, 2017 1:15 PM  

134. Elizabeth August 23, 2017 12:14 PM
A man might seduce or even rape a virgin woman and then despise her afterwards.



merely one of many indicators that Dinah was NOT "rape-raped".


136. Azure Amaranthine August 23, 2017 12:18 PM
they'd make the rapist marry her.



ONLY if the father did not disallow the marriage. in which case, the rapist was still on the hook for dowry.



140. Elizabeth August 23, 2017 12:25 PM
she went to her full brother Absalom's house and her eventually arranged for the murder of Amnon.



you notice that this only happens because David had already refused to carry out his responsibilities as both king and father.

the penalty of the Law for incest is death.

had David administered the Law, he would have killed Amnon himself, immediately upon becoming aware of the rape.

however, this was obviously the culmination of Amnon being raised as a spoiled, entitled and entirely selfish child of privilege.

Bathsheba's first son by David was killed by God. considering how evil Amnon turned out, one wonders how bad the eldest child of a woman so favored by the King would have been.

Blogger VD August 23, 2017 1:15 PM  

The ironic thing is that even though Scalzi dislikes me because I represent the Evil Jocks who tormented him and got all the girls in his mind, I am one of the few people who would have defended him had he been at my school.

I put the fear of God's righteous wrath into a few bullies ranging from seniors to fifth-graders while I was in high school. I think my favorite time was when I was called into the Dean's office due to a complaint by a teacher about "a much older boy pinning a fifth-grader to a wall and frightening him so badly that he wet his pants."

The Dean had known me for six years and was well aware that I was not a bully, so he just calmly asked me for an explanation. I told him, truthfully, that I had caught the kid pushing down and hitting a crying first-grader, who happened to be my youngest brother. The Dean nodded, said that he figured as much, and that was that.

Anonymous fop August 23, 2017 1:16 PM  

I'm actually impressed with Scalzi's game.

"I'm married but I secretly want to slobber all over you. How would you like to come over to my house and watch me try on your dresses while I fantasize about you?"

I really don't think I could pull that off... but she actually went for it. And years later they're still hot for one another.

Gamma got game.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 23, 2017 1:17 PM  

I think my favorite time was when I was called into the Dean's office due to a complaint by a teacher about "a much older boy pinning a fifth-grader to a wall and frightening him so badly that he wet his pants."

I did not know you and Ben Shapiro were classmates

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2017 1:21 PM  

"Do Christians SHUN sinners and those who would lead others to sin, or support them as friends?"

Sometimes you do the latter by doing the former. I was talking to someone about this just last night. A mutual friend has been going down a bad path for a few years. At some point, after trying to cajole and warn didn't work, we had to draw a line and say, "Look, what you're doing is wrong. If you want to stop doing it and fix things, we're here for you. Until then, we don't hate you and we're not going to avoid you, but we can't hang out like we used to and pretend nothing's wrong, because that's not good for you or us."

Plenty of other friends are "supporting" him by downplaying the sin in hopes that their friendship and spending time together will just make him want to be better somehow (it's kinda like Magic Dirt, come to think of it). Never mind that they've been doing that for a few years, and he's just gotten worse. So he keeps coming back to the two of us once in a while, kinda checking in to see where we stand, because he knows we're the ones who really care about him enough to sacrifice an important friendship for the sake of getting him back on the right track. And we keep holding that line: if you want to talk about making things right, we're here anytime; otherwise we can talk about the weather. If it never works....well, at least we tried.

Where to draw the line, at what point friendly nudging fails or becomes counterproductive and you have to go with "tough love," that's the hard part.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 1:32 PM  

@155 Thucydides
Any man who is in a "studies" program is quite possibly also using this as a means of getting closer to potential victims, so be alert for that.

How long have you been a feminist?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 23, 2017 1:35 PM  

Damn, it's a Dalrock thread. The larger point, of course, is that much of leftist is simple projection. The "hate" meme being perhaps the most obvious one.

"Polygamous societies don't value male fidelity and strongly patriarchal societies don't value male chastity, either."

And women don't value male chastity (to say the least), while men certainly do value female chastity. This is not a moral statement, of course-- just an observation about the underlying reality that our moral system used to regulate. The is-ought thing. Social institutions, and culture, are built upon a biological foundation. The slate is not blank.

And on the Roosh thing-- knowledge is a tool, or sometimes a weapon. The moral element lies in how it is used. It's very possible to disagree with major elements of the Rooshian moral philosophy (such as it is), but that's very different from choosing to ignore some of the truths on which it is based. It is better to know than to not know.

@108 VFM #6306
"Gamma. Married to this for 15 years."

That's a man, baby!

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 1:42 PM  

@162 Cail Corishev

Jesus saves. He never enables sin. He ate with tax collectors and prostitutes, and was telling them the whole time what they needed to do to be saved. Probably beginning with "You need to stop this. You know that, don't you? You just need to stop this sin."

That's what we are supposed to do, but it's hard to tell someone "This is the line you've crossed. Until you cross back over it, I can't help you" because it seems cruel to abandon them. But it's the enabling of sin that is really cruel. Sometimes we just have to walk away, after explaining why.

Jesus saves but never enables.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 23, 2017 1:53 PM  

He said he admired and respected females, he didn’t lust after them.

I know love is blind, but what a dope she is; only a homo or a liar would ever say such a thing.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams August 23, 2017 2:01 PM  

At least she wasn't married at the time Scalzi was stalking her.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 23, 2017 2:01 PM  

"You need to stop this. You know that, don't you? You just need to stop this sin."

He did tell some people this, quite often the religious hypocrites. Other examples in scripture are "get thee behind me satan" and the woman caught in adultery, and He simply told her to go and sin no more.

There are no offices for sin sniffers, lawyers, or judges in Christ Jesus' Church.

Blogger Phat Repat August 23, 2017 2:08 PM  

To be honest, my respect for the man has skyrocketed.

I did LOL; sounds like one for the Chateau.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 2:17 PM  

@146 Pyrrhus, I get the sociobiological rationalization, I do. Charlemagne supposedly had over 100 bastard children, and I strongly suspect very few (if any) of them were from forced intercourse. Very large numbers of people whose ancestors lived inside the Hajnal line can trace their lineage through Charles the Great. He was POTUS, KING and ROCK STAR all in one. I'm sure women were tripping him constantly.

The problem is, is what is successful the way you want to live? Love or hate evolution as a theory, it's clear enough to me that survival and propagation of the most-fit for an ecological niche, a process that happens quite plainly in front of our eyes, is not teleological. The moths that "survive" in a sooty environment aren't smarter, prettier, or "more evolved" than their colorful peers that were prey for birds.

There's nothing in the Human Being Instruction Manual that says the race goes to the smartest, or those who have low time preference (or who refrain from rape.) So what?

My point is, if hedonistic behavior, rampant adultery and a thirst for raping women from 9 to 90 was the path to winning (i.e., coming to dominate the ecological niche called Planet Earth), I still would have nothing to do with it. Rabbits may be always going to rabbit, but I'm frankly too proud to live like a savage.

I suspect you are, too.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 2:26 PM  

I can appreciate the beauty of a young woman as much as any man, but flirting with one is boorish and a sign of disrespect for my wife, even if she's 1000 miles away.

Admitting to a fundamental lack of self-control isn't brave. It's whiny, adolescent behavior, a kind of passive-aggressive boast. Real men route around their weaknesses, they don't plaster them in public forums. Real men also don't need the ego boost of pseudo-chasing skirts. What the F ever happened to inner strength, you know, the kind YOU know you have and you don't give a Rat's Fat F*** what others know?

The flame of spiritual wealth (and its pursuit) is down to about 1 lumen, eclipsed as it now is by the vast lump of dung that is Status Seeking via conspicuous consumption and (faux) virtue-signaling.

Anonymous seeker August 23, 2017 2:26 PM  

"That's what we are supposed to do, but it's hard to tell someone "This is the line you've crossed. Until you cross back over it, I can't help you" because it seems cruel to abandon them. But it's the enabling of sin that is really cruel. Sometimes we just have to walk away, after explaining why.

Jesus saves but never enables."

It would be nice if it were that simple. There is ALOT of sin in the world because people are trying to meet their needs their way and can't see any other way of doing it besides doing it in a sinful way.

What's cruel is promising to meet peoples needs, then not doing it, then blaming them for taking care of their needs themselves.

Anonymous Chemist August 23, 2017 2:30 PM  

I have a legal question. Purely hypothetical

If I make a super detailed post about "How to make ricin" and post it online, doesn't my internet provider has the obligation to take it down and even inform the police about it? After all, it is something you can use to kill people.

Anonymous Chemist August 23, 2017 2:30 PM  

oh, that was meant for the new thread

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 23, 2017 2:41 PM  

qualitycontrol wrote:@121. Ominous Cowherd

What exactly does Patriarchy mean for you here? Is it institutional or cultural? I'm all for Fathers looking after their children but I don't think the idea of enforcing "patriarchy" through institutions is good.


Cultural, but culture drives institutions.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 2:45 PM  

@172 seeker
It would be nice if it were that simple.

Actually it is that simple. It's just not easy, in fact it can be very difficult.

There is ALOT of sin in the world because people are trying to meet their needs their way and can't see any other way of doing it besides doing it in a sinful way.

There is a lot of sin in the world because people are sinful and they don't want to stop. But they also are hard hearted and won't submit to God. Like Israel, sometimes God sends them off to a Babylonian captivity for a while. That looks cruel to us, because we see through a glass darkly.

What's cruel is promising to meet peoples needs, then not doing it, then blaming them for taking care of their needs themselves.

There's lots of ways to be cruel. That's one for sure. Enabling sin is another. Jesus saves, never enables sin.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 2:46 PM  

@174
oh, that was meant for the new thread

It's ok, we know you were just asking for a friend.

Anonymous seeker August 23, 2017 3:08 PM  

"There is a lot of sin in the world because people are sinful and they don't want to stop..."

Unsurprisingly you're wrong again. There is ALOT of people who would love to stop sinning or do things the right way if they could. Good luck with that churchianity just don't try to con anybody with "Jesus loves them".

Anonymous seeker August 23, 2017 3:17 PM  

"Jesus saves, never enables sin."

The Jesus you talk about doesn't save you from anything then.

Anonymous Hartwick August 23, 2017 3:21 PM  

DC, I don't always agree with you, but I enjoy your thoughts. Please keep them coming.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2017 3:22 PM  

@178 seeker
"There is a lot of sin in the world because people are sinful and they don't want to stop..."

Unsurprisingly you're wrong again.

God is right. I'm just delivering the mail.

There is ALOT of people who would love to stop sinning or do things the right way if they could.

But they don't want to do what it takes: put their pride and desire in the trash and seek God's will. A methhead who says he would love to stop it, but who keeps borrowing money that he buys more with is not serious about stopping. The friends and relations who loan him money "just one more time" are enabling him, not helping him. Jesus wouldn't give him a penny, but would show methhead the right path.

Good luck with that churchianity just don't try to con anybody with "Jesus loves them".

Keep on seeking. Just remember that only God is right all the time, His word shows the right way to go.

Jesus saves, never enables.

Blogger KSC August 23, 2017 3:23 PM  

The fact that he goes on at such length about how he should be applauded for *not* writing a rape scene--because somebody else expressed disgust at it--as if this was a high bar to meet is pretty disturbing.

Anonymous fop August 23, 2017 3:26 PM  

That Blurb by Scalzi was no confession. It was a pre-emptive strike.

Seems probable to me that Scalzi and Mary were banging away in her hotel room at some convention. Eventually word starts to get out and gamma instinct kicks in and Scalzi immediately concocts a lie to the tune of "Yes I was indeed being creepy and stalky and was hanging around her way too much and getting feelzy but nothing happened because I'm a good feminist and I respect women too much to ever use my newly acquired Hugo-Award-Winning fame and prestige to bang a hot groupie at a sci-fi convention."

Read it again in that context. Obvious creep is obvious.

Anonymous fop August 23, 2017 3:28 PM  

Has a similar feel to "I was just proving to my wife and kids that tentacle p0rn is real."

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2017 4:04 PM  

New insight (for me.)
Scalzi's vague confession/self-description of weirdness is nothing less than a form of (Rachel) Dolezalism.

He's disgusted by his whiteness, his wealth, his status, his "POWER," and he knows that in our Alt-Left world "weakness" (or feigning/claiming weakness" is STRENGTH.

We have two camps. One one side we have The Powerful.
White
Cis
Het
Wealthy
Successful
Christian
Educated
Assaulting, insulting, marginalizing, and even murdering The Powerful is a righteous war on behalf of weak people everywhere, who tearfully hide in the shadows under their rainbow boas (when not marching in a Gay Pride Parade or spraying battery acid on Nazis.)

And on the other we have a hierarchy of WEAKNESS
non-white
Jewish
non-male/FTM Trans
Trans
non-Hetero
poor.
Of course, Diversity Pokemon Points are cumulative, and punching down is not allowed, while punching up is required.

Scalzi is (except for religion) 100% The Powerful, and he's #wrongskin bigly!

So he produces a record of self-described weakness, the same as Rachel Dolezal hit the tanning booth and frizzed her hair. Scalzi is a Diversity Pokemon Point WANNABE. His mea culpas are nothing but LARPing as a Diversity Hire, so he's not part of The Bad Guys.

Now I get it.

Blogger tublecane August 23, 2017 4:54 PM  

"taking away my right to make choices for my life and my body based on the truth"

I realize this is a passage about his hypocrisy, but there's no special "right" of feminists not to be lied to. Everybody lies, and a supposed right to the truth is unenforceable. This is something feminists should've learned along with everyone else when they were toddlers.

Blogger Latigo3 August 23, 2017 4:59 PM  

Well, this post has certainly brought about some interesting comments.


Blogger Nakota Publishing August 23, 2017 5:09 PM  

Why didn't I ever think of this during my long, unhappy first marriage? Now that I'm in a great relationship, there's no need for me to pretend to be a feminist.

Anonymous glosoli August 23, 2017 5:09 PM  

'What the F ever happened to inner strength, you know, the kind YOU know you have and you don't give a Rat's Fat F*** what others know?'

Heh, we know Mrs dc, we know.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2017 6:25 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:old Jewish law was weird in some ways that I'm not sure I'll ever get, such as if a woman was not married or betrothed and was raped, they'd make the rapist marry her.

I ascribe this to some combination of:

A: Victims not coming forward in some cases (possibly with the intent of avoiding this outcome).

B: The possibility that it wasn't actually against her will (but it wasn't her decision, so it was rape if her father didn't like it).

C: The ability of the woman to actually turn this around (in case of [B]) on her rapist as a 'gotcha' card.

D: If she wasn't betrothed already, perhaps her parents were having difficulties finding someone? Oh look a volunteer!

E: Still best option for the children (maybe?) if she got pregnant?...

F: No one else wants her now, so she's your responsibility, idiot...

G: They were just less removed from the physical power aspect of the thing than we are, hypothetically: "Father/brothers failed on the defense, no Goalie (betrothal/husband), to the victor go the spoils."


Some Bible translations do not use the word rape, only describe the man as taking hold of the virgin.

Related to C is that women let current feelings rewrite the past. "Oh, I'm in trouble now? He totally raped me."

Follow on to D - As far as the resulting marriage is undesirable for the virgin, this is an incentive for her 1.) to not travel alone and put herself at risk. 2.) to accept any marriage her parents arrange for her. ("Nice boy Bob from a good family, or the first random man to catch you. Take your pick.")

Prevention is superior to punishing the wrongdoing.

Blogger SQT August 23, 2017 6:46 PM  

I'm late to the party here- but I have to comment on the Scalzi thing.

If my husband had published something like that publicly I'd be *pissed.* The last thing I want is my husband publicly proclaiming his attraction to another woman. He might as well be confessing to an affair imho.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning August 23, 2017 7:03 PM  

This thread need a theme song. From 2011,
John Scalzi and His Fabulous Ukulele Play The Radiohead Hit "Creep."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5mtzhFSuw

He's been practicing a lot since then and it shows-
John Scalzi singing Radiohead's Creep (Worldcon 2015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSqMJV1Yhrg

Sing what you know, they say.

Anonymous Minion 0132 August 23, 2017 7:09 PM  

Just so odd to me that Scalzi considers his natural reaction to an attractive woman "creepy" but thinks a mentally ill male's desire to hack off his genitals and screw up his body with female hormones is something to be celebrated.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 23, 2017 8:04 PM  

@Minion 0132
That's the SJW mindset for ya.

Blogger Rough Carrigan August 23, 2017 8:05 PM  

193. That was exactly how it seemed to me. It comes across as though heterosexual libido is something strange and foreign to him.

Blogger Johnny August 23, 2017 8:18 PM  

SirHamster wrote:old Jewish law was weird in some ways that I'm not sure I'll ever get, such as if a woman was not married or betrothed and was raped, they'd make the rapist marry her.

Something to keep in mind is that for the Jews the primary social organization was the family. The sexual pleasure thing was way less important than in our current society that tends to stress it, and getting everybody hooked up and into a stable relationship was a big deal. Thus the considerations were probably way more social organization than worrying the character of the sex act.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky August 23, 2017 8:59 PM  

Joss involved himself with this woman for 20 years. Four years of dating + 16 years of marriage. And he was a total fraud the whole time, as he banged other girls on the sly and led a Hollywood rockstar life, all the while leading his wife around by the nose with her thinking that he's a true feminist man.

Now, she is to blame a bit, because she did believe the feminist lies. But can't blame her too much. Always, the liar is worse than the mark.

Joss is a liar. Feminism lies. Go figure.

What is truly devastating is that the scorned wife ("Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned") is doing EXACTLY what scorned women do. She's bringing it on, she's not simply making random accusations, she's quoting Joss in his own words, she's quite simply nailing him to the wall.

It is beautiful to watch in a way, because that ass-clown so richly deserves it.

And yet it is sad to watch, because she's pissed, and wronged, and generally on-point. She got used. She knows it. You know. Joss knows it.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky August 23, 2017 9:06 PM  

I have to add, not only was Joss taking advantage of his wife, he was taking advantage of all the young starlets on his casting couch, too.

Joss Weldon, feminist man, used and abused every girl he came across.

Unless they didn't catch his fancy, in which case he ignored them.

He's scum on wheels.

Blogger Lazarus August 23, 2017 9:11 PM  

SQT wrote:If my husband had published something like that publicly I'd be *pissed.* The last thing I want is my husband publicly proclaiming his attraction to another woman. He might as well be confessing to an affair imho.

Not just in your HO:


Adultery
27You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky August 23, 2017 9:25 PM  

I'm a married man, yet if you are a beautiful woman, I'm going to be flirty with you. It's natural. My wife could be right by my side, I don't care, she doesn't care, we'll all have fun.

Why? Because I know how to do it. I'm not bragging, that is just simply maturity - on my part, on your part, on my wife's part. We all know the drill!

I flirt with a pretty girl in a harmless and fun way, not a creepy way, as mature and responsible men know how to do. It's fun! It's flirty! It's social!

Apparently Scalzi doesn't know how to that. Apparently he even creeps his own self out.

The really crazy thing to types like Scalzi it that the woman you flirt with does has agency. She's mature, isn't she? Or else hell no do NOT flirt with her. You gotta figure that out. Healthy mature women know how to handle flirty men, and ALSO, they know how to have mutual, innocent fun with flirty men.

Scalzi apparently does not know how to have mutual, innocent fun with women in these situation. Color me not surprised.

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