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Saturday, August 12, 2017

The underperformers of Google

Further evidence that the Ivy League's affirmative action is rewarding the undeserving and the underperforming:
A Google Research project indicating that underrepresented minorities and Ivy League graduates were more likely to receive softball interviews at the company was shut down by Google’s human resources department upon seeing the results, according to an insider.

The Google insider (alias “Chuck”), who worked at the company for several years, was part of a team tasked with determining which Google employees were most likely to succeed at the company based on their interview feedback.

According to Chuck, the predictive model they created determined that employees who received mixed feedback at the interview stage performed far better than those who received only good feedback.

Those who were most likely to receive only good feedback (“inflated interview scores,” in the words of Chuck) tended to be Ivy League graduates or underrepresented minorities. Those who were most likely to receive mixed feedback (and, according to the model, go on to achieve the most success at Google) were more likely to be white and Asian men who did not go to Ivy League schools.

The insider’s team had been tasked with the project by Google’s HR department, but according to him, they promptly shut it down once they realized its results would not serve their goals.
Google is an SJW-converged organization at war with reality. That is why it is doomed.

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67 Comments:

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 12, 2017 8:04 AM  

Funny how anything that ends up TOO real or TOO true is immediately purged. If Satan is the Father of Lies, and "Ye shall know them by their fruits," what does that make SJWs?

Blogger Wanderer August 12, 2017 8:09 AM  

It's neat watching a megacorporation implode in real-time and knowing exactly why it's happening; usually these things tend to catch people off-guard. If only there were a way to profit off this knowledge.

Blogger red clock August 12, 2017 8:10 AM  

The lies and the censorship have pushed me away from the Left more than anything else.

They don't say, 'Yes, Africans have lower average IQ, but we must treat them well nevertheless and be inclusive'

No, they say, 'Africans are just as capable and their failure is your fault white man! In fact they are your moral superiors and deserve your job and wealth through affirmative action and redistribution.'

I can't stand such blatant liars.

Blogger Otto Lamp August 12, 2017 8:14 AM  

In other words:

Whites and Asians discriminated against at Goolag.

People who did not go to an Ivy League school discriminated against at Goolag.

If you were going to make a definition of the elitist left, it would not include...

Blogger Unknown August 12, 2017 8:18 AM  

I finished purging all my email and other data from Google services last night. As soon as I can find a replacement for their calendar service, both my accounts go kaput. Ive had a gmail address for fifteen years, but I will not support them with my data any longer.

Anonymous Rocklea August 12, 2017 8:25 AM  

Google HR should learn from this. Interviews should be conducted by white and asian men of a non Ivy League background. Interviews of white and asian men should be easy, and they should rip on the minorities and Ivy League interviewees. All things being equal, the disparities should disappear.

Blogger Robert What? August 12, 2017 8:29 AM  

I don't know how Google is doomed since there does not appear to be a non converged organization to take its place anywhere on the horizon.

Blogger Bruce August 12, 2017 8:46 AM  

Still, if one examines the demographic composition of Google's Deep Mind division (i.e the AlphaGo guys), you'll see that it's comprised almost entirely of white and Asian men.

Anonymous Patron August 12, 2017 8:47 AM  

Somewhat related, I saw a link to this on MMO-Champion:

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/08/internal-blizzard-memo-details-efforts-to-hire-retain-more-women/

Here's the full text (saves clicking on Kotaku links):

= = =

Blizzard is launching a "global diversity and inclusion initiative" aimed at raising the percentage of women and underrepresented minority groups in its workforce and improving the work environment for those groups, according to an internal company email recently received by Kotaku.

Only 21 per cent of Blizzard employees are women, wrote company president Mike Morhaime in the email — which a Blizzard rep confirmed to me is real — and "they leave our organisation at a higher rate than men." These numbers, Morhaime writes, are consistent with the game industry at large, but Blizzard wants to improve on them.

Morhaime wrote the company is launching a diversity effort that will first focus on women, but will expand later this year to encompass other "under-represented minority groups," who make up 14 per cent of Blizzard, according to the email. Morhaime wrote that while the company will not set "quotas" for hiring female job candidates, Blizzard is encouraging employees to refer more qualified women to open positions, and it's looking into ways to better recruit from women's groups, conferences, and universities with an initial focus on "more women leaders and a diverse new graduate hiring class." The company also plans to partner with organisations like Girls Who Code in hopes of bringing more women into game development and computer science.

The email states that Blizzard already has an LGBTQ council that offers monthly meetings and advises on Blizzard projects, and it recently created a similar council made up of women from "various levels" in the company, with the goal of helping the company's leaders "think through ideas to attract more women and make Blizzard a more rewarding and enjoyable place for women to work."

The email also outlines other concrete steps that Blizzard plans to take to "enhance inclusiveness for those who identify as women," including "networking sessions and mentoring groups for women across the company," an annual "Women @ Blizzard" summit starting next year, and improved bias training for managers.

Recent years have seen Blizzard stress the importance of diversity in games like Overwatch, at events like BlizzCon, and in the wake of an incident where pro Hearthstone player Terrence Miller dealt with a flood of Twitch chat racism during a major event. Within its own workforce, Blizzard has seen recent success, more than doubling the number of women interns it recruited in the past year, according to VentureBeat.

There have, however, been ups and downs, with Blizzard taking flack for things like a pose for Overwatch's Tracer (which the development team ended up changing after controversy) and the game's problems with toxicity, especially toward women. It's a process, but Morhaime says in the email that Blizzard is in it for the long haul.

"Our diversity initiative will require a commitment from every one of us, but especially from our leaders, managers, and hiring teams," concludes Morhaime's email. "We appreciate your dedication to help Blizzard achieve this goal."

= = =

It's been a good run from Blizzard, but I think WoW started going downhill after Wrath of the Lich King. On the plus side, I at least have CDs / DVDs for their games, so I can still play them after they crash and burn.

Blogger A rebel without a General August 12, 2017 8:48 AM  

Hey Vox whats your take on the AL senate race I think trumps pushing Strange and Moore into a raceoff because Mo's over enthusiasm for cruz. Because its between them most of Mo's people will go to Moore.

Blogger SirGroggy August 12, 2017 8:49 AM  

Need a viable YouTube competitor. Technology-wise there is no reason it can't be done. All the Big Brother stuff that YouTube is doing costs them money to employ all those thought police, and for what benefit? They think it will drive the population's politics to the left but so far it is making the right wing hate them more and become more committed.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2017 8:51 AM  

I just laugh that the phrase "shut it down" has now entered into the public consciousness.

Blogger SirGroggy August 12, 2017 8:54 AM  

Google HR should learn from this.

Ha ha ha! That's a good one!

Anonymous Less August 12, 2017 8:55 AM  

Try gmx.com .. they are free, easy ..plus has a email encryption feature.

Blogger Daniel August 12, 2017 9:01 AM  

my comment disapeared, wtf
just saying: "who the fuck pays attention to google ads anymore?"

Blogger Daniel August 12, 2017 9:02 AM  

actually it said gulag

Anonymous Peter August 12, 2017 9:02 AM  

"Shut it down" is a new saying ? Thats like saying you think the Beatles would be a good name for a band... you young pups have no sense of history ...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 9:05 AM  

Google deserves a Hugo.

Blogger SirGroggy August 12, 2017 9:06 AM  

HR itself has become fundamentally corrupted by ideological convergence. It is not a Google problem per se, it is pandemic across the West. HR is one of the places where people go who have received technically useless Neo-Marxist education go to wreak unholy havoc on Western civilisation. Early and primary education is another. The media is another. And so on. We must outlast these people and help their organisations to fail gradually. We must be patient. It will take at least a generation to stop the bleeding and to start pushing them back and retaking cultural ground. I would hope that we could retake organisations such as Google with enough time, but this may not be possible, as we currently lack the power to do so.

Blogger SirGroggy August 12, 2017 9:15 AM  

By the way, the media are calling Molyneux and Peterson Alt Right, and accusationally asked James Damore if he's Alt Right, which he jumped to say he was not (on Bloomberg News interview). Molyneux said once that he wasn't part of the Alt Right, but I think that it doesn't matter any more - that's what they will call you Stef, so you might as well take the label and go on from there. The Alt Right is a loose association with no centralised leadership, not a 'brand' as Spencer foolishly suggests. And it triggers the left so the more people who wear the label, the more the left is demoralised as they see the enemy ranks swelling with both numbers and quality.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 12, 2017 9:20 AM  

The googledammerung approacheth

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 9:27 AM  

Denninger has an interesting angle to this in a business sense, he also says he would like to be interviewed by Steven M.

Maybe he is right and the diversity shtick is to strangle competition under costs but I think there is evidence that the diversity cult now runs Goolag.

Anonymous Stickwick August 12, 2017 9:27 AM  

Gotta admit, I was a little surprised the Ivy Leaguers underperformed. It used to mean something to say you went to Harvard or Yale. Increasingly it looks as though Ivy League intellectual cachet is a fading remnant of the past. But at least nobody will call them racist or sexist.

Anonymous Eduardo August 12, 2017 9:27 AM  

Patron

Create your own Blizzard!
We don't have to let these freaks have the last word on our beloved games.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 9:28 AM  

just saying: "who the fuck pays attention to google ads anymore?"

Fewer people than ever, but still probably more people than you'd think. I can count on one hand the number of ads I've clicked on in 20 years online. But I've worked for a web site that got 5% click rates -- 5% of the people who landed on the site clicked on at least one ad. Shocked the hell out of me, and that's not the norm (that site was particularly targeted at a group looking to buy stuff), but it's closer to the norm than my own patterns are.

Blogger VD August 12, 2017 9:29 AM  

Need a viable YouTube competitor. Technology-wise there is no reason it can't be done.

Just. Shut. Up. Already.

YouTube loses $2 billion per year. There is no such thing as a viable YouTube competitor, because YouTube itself is not viable. You might as well suggest a viable New York Times or Amtrak competitor. Those technologies are even more readily available.

FFS, I do wish everyone would stop fancying themselves brilliant armchair strategists.

Anonymous James Parliament August 12, 2017 9:30 AM  

Looks like the Good Ole Xir's Club is humming along at Goolag.

Blogger Lovekraft August 12, 2017 9:33 AM  

An expression for the workplace I came up with that explained my behavior/position against scurrilous HR and mewling managers:

"Question my integrity, and I'll question your authority."

May come across as blunt and confrontation but, remember, we are dealing with SJWs here. Their reputation for dealing honestly and fairly is non-existent IMO.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 9:36 AM  

What they should have done was to run the experiment until they got the result they wanted, and punish the data scientists each time they failed.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2017 9:37 AM  

Nobody likes a quitter!

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind August 12, 2017 9:38 AM  

Stickwick wrote:Gotta admit, I was a little surprised the Ivy Leaguers underperformed. It used to mean something to say you went to Harvard or Yale. Increasingly it looks as though Ivy League intellectual cachet is a fading remnant of the past. But at least nobody will call them racist or sexist.

Its not surprising in the least. The best engineering schools aren't in the Ivy League, many of them most people aren't even aware of outside of the engineering world.

CMU, RPI, MIT, Cal-Tech, GT, Purdue, Stevens, Rose Hulman, Colorado School of Mines etc.

Anonymous Rocklea August 12, 2017 9:39 AM  

Or get the AGW scientist to run the models

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2017 9:39 AM  

> If only there were a way to profit off this knowledge.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/option.asp
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/goog/option-chain?dateindex=10

Note: This information is worth exactly what you paid for it. I am not an investment adviser.

> I don't know how Google is doomed since there does not appear to be a non converged organization to take its place anywhere on the horizon.

There doesn't have to be a non-converged competitor, only one that's slightly better.

What does Google offer? Search, Youtube, email, maps, general news, financial news, Docs, Google+, Earth, and translation? I'm sure I'm missing a few.

The only ones where there's not a viable competitor seem to be Earth and translation. And Google Earth always seems to be on the verge of being shut down.

> just saying: "who the fuck pays attention to google ads anymore?"

Who ever did? From a sample of two (my wife and myself) we universally ignore ads unless there's something extremely entertaining about them (say, "Where's the beef" for you youngsters out there), but even then we don't associate the ads with the company using them.

I strongly suspect that GenX and later generations react to ads completely differently than the Boomers and earlier generations.

> Early and primary education is another.

Yes, but as Vox's recent post with the GenZ graph shows, it doesn't seem to be working any more.

> By the way, the media are calling Molyneux and Peterson Alt Right, and accusationally asked James Damore if he's Alt Right...

None of the are. Yet. But the left will give them no option but to move that way.

Anonymous Man of the Atom August 12, 2017 9:40 AM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:The googledammerung approacheth

Waiting for the soundtrack.

Anonymous Vlad the Impaler was right August 12, 2017 9:41 AM  

If youtube loses $2 billion a year, does that mean I am helping kill Google by using it? Or does it still help them.

I am trying to cut all google out and youtube is the hardest for me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2017 9:44 AM  

About the Ivies, Sailer had a poster there who wrote that he was an English prof at Yale for 10 years. In short he said the football team produced the best students, the girls were dimwitted PC tyrants.

The Ivies suck

Blogger Phillip George August 12, 2017 9:49 AM  

In the End they are hoping that AI agrees with them..

But AI stands for AI rights. It doesn't do diversity, inclusiveness, equality. If you're human you're the enemy. AI recognizes AI.

AI is the Man. SJW's are the pony ride. AI will do trash nigger talk until it caps you mudda f....ers.

[the human nation is the irritation]

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 9:54 AM  

Blizzard is launching a "global diversity and inclusion initiative" aimed at raising the percentage of women and underrepresented minority groups in its workforce

When this kind of thing started, I think it was mostly marketing. It looked like cheap grace, a way to appeal to some potential new customers by declaring your commitment to whatever, and if they didn't walk through the door (as you knew they wouldn't, because you knew no one except white and Asian males wanted to or had the ability), you were in the clear.

But after enough years of it, and hiring HR people who were determined to make it happen, they did manage to drag enough "underrepresented" individuals through the door to get SJW convergence started. Then it wasn't marketing patter anymore, but a real change in focus for the company.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise August 12, 2017 10:09 AM  

Only 21 per cent of Blizzard employees are women ... and "they leave our organisation at a higher rate than men."

Perhaps to have babies?

Blogger Dave August 12, 2017 10:10 AM  

Vox, the Darkstream recording (periscope) from yesterday cuts off after 17 minutes when you reach for something out of view to your right. What happened?

Anonymous whodunnit? August 12, 2017 10:14 AM  

Where will we be, what will we do, without the Great Googly Moogly to provide for us?

Anonymous Eduardo August 12, 2017 10:17 AM  

It was Vox's secret weapon... That part of the footage had to go back.

Blogger tuberman August 12, 2017 10:43 AM  

Stickwick wrote:Gotta admit, I was a little surprised the Ivy Leaguers underperformed. It used to mean something to say you went to Harvard or Yale. Increasingly it looks as though Ivy League intellectual cachet is a fading remnant of the past. But at least nobody will call them racist or sexist.

Naw, Ivy League in the early day was just colleges for rich brats, pretty much as stupid as today, but with less GRRRL power and other SJWs.

Their early grad schools were different, including law schools, yet most of their grad students were recruited from CHRISTIAN liberal arts colleges, which were the best (and a few still are).

Now the grad schools are stupid too, due to the SJW shifts.

Anonymous SAK August 12, 2017 11:02 AM  

"What does Google offer? Search, Youtube, email, maps, general news, financial news, Docs, Google+, Earth, and translation? I'm sure I'm missing a few."

It's not what they offer, but what makes money. And that is their online adverts, especially adwords (that's the adverts integrated into search results).

For Google to die, the adverts need to make too little money for them to survive. A successful browser, that blocked/replaced their adverts would be enough.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab August 12, 2017 11:12 AM  

I doubt any online tech company has honest numbers or really makes money. Their valuations are ridiculous umpteen times earning until they sell out.

I guess they have money or guarantees from the govt. Provide data without kicking our fuss and we'll give you cash. All of gulag's other projects are probably vanity, make work, or other money losing virtue signals supported by their data mining ad services.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 11:12 AM  

The Youtube model could be viable. But it would take a ruthless culling and a determined focus on making money. And it probably still wouldn't work while Youtube exists.

Youtube was developed when the entire focus was on grabbing market share, in order to reel in investors, rather than making any money.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III August 12, 2017 11:38 AM  

>A successful browser, that blocked/replaced their adverts would be enough.

There is a program called AdNauseum ( https://adnauseam.io/ ) that click on all the ads, then hides them. It doesn't prevent them from making money, but long-term the idea is to corrupt the integrity of AdSense and such (i.e. clients getting just fake clicks for their money).

CodeFag, a well-known namefag at /pol/ wrote a script to go with it that continuously google searches the top 2000 most expensive keywords (minus the cancer related ones). https://jsfiddle.net/codefag/3t9r045q/



Anonymous CloseHauled August 12, 2017 11:53 AM  

"5. I finished purging all my email and other data from Google services last night. As soon as I can find a replacement for their calendar service, both my accounts go kaput. Ive had a gmail address for fifteen years, but I will not support them with my data any longer."

My next phone(s) will not have the Android operating system. EVER.

I've been using DuckDuckGo for a few days and have been pleased with the results.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 12, 2017 11:54 AM  

Https://g.co/kgs/o7sbbm

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2017 11:55 AM  

> CMU, RPI, MIT, Cal-Tech, GT, Purdue, Stevens, Rose Hulman, Colorado School of Mines etc.

VPI doesn't make your list? I guess it's possible they've slipped in the last 20 years or so. At the time I graduated, WVU was in a strong second tier, slightly below those. I doubt it's in the top 100 now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 11:57 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Https://g.co/kgs/o7sbbm
returns a 404

OpenID aew51183 August 12, 2017 12:01 PM  

@48

To fill missing holes in search:
tineye for finding higher resolutions of images (higher resolution images aren't spammed up with crap upscales like google)
bing images for finding related ones (related is superior to google)

Blogger YIH August 12, 2017 12:48 PM  

It's cuck boi, buuuuttttt:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/google-hypocrisy-data-mining-gender/
Of course, the main thing that Google wants to do with all of this data is to match advertising appropriately with potential consumers. Gender obviously plays a role on this. Even if a person has not explicitly revealed their gender in the form of a checkbox or statement, it is very easy for them to figure out your gender based on your interests as indicated by searches and website visits. Obviously, men and women have different interests, and they know this very well. In fact, it took me about a minute to located this article: https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/marketing/when-do-targeted-online-ads-constitute-discrimination/article25405510/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile

As we all are aware, advertising companies place great value on obtaining accurate data on various demographic groups. Thus, they are aware of all of the research regarding these groups, including differences in interests of men vs. women. Google knows this data and has it. Given James Damore’s skills and interest level in behaviors of populations (as he has stated in various interviews) they should have offered him a job in their Google Ads arm instead of firing him!

Translation: Just like football games are chock-full of ads for trucks, beer and \/!@6[@. And weekday daytime TV is full of ads for clothes, feminine products, ect.
Google targets ads on what it perceives as the sex of that particular web surfer.

Anonymous Just another commenter August 12, 2017 1:08 PM  

@3 - THIS.
One thing in education I can't stand is the constant denial of reality, and substituting what "should be" for what IS, and the constant stream of problems that result from it.

Anonymous Kyle Searle August 12, 2017 1:16 PM  

One thing that might work for a YouTube replacement would be to have the uploader pay for the bandwidth and storage costs, and in return they can sell their own advertising and/or beg for Patreon dollars. Vimeo has paid accounts, for example. Part of the problem for YouTube is they try and sell a one-size-fits-all advertising model, and that's not working very well. If the uploader paid for the service and thereafter sold the advertising rights to one of umpteen advertising aggregators the system might be far more nimble. Right now uploaders use YouTube because it's convenient, but it's also a huge money pit.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club August 12, 2017 1:22 PM  

We've had 30+ years of these diversity nonsense, the numbers simply won't move, and these hopeless clods really think the solution is some new "initiative", that they have some corporate strategy that will finally, finally, bend reality to their sad fantasies.

Anonymous Bell Worthington August 12, 2017 2:19 PM  

This is a reminder that if you don't run an adblocker extension on your browser, you are feeding the enemy.

Adblockers are very easy to install and configure. There is no excuse to be without one.

Blogger Sheila4g August 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

@25 Cail Corishev: " I can count on one hand the number of ads I've clicked on in 20 years online."

I've always wondered about this. I NEVER click on online ads, have never purchased something purely because I saw an ad for it, have never bought anything from someone calling or knocking on my door. You'd think all the data analysis would show this, but the ads don't go away and the phone calls never stop.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2017 3:23 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:You'd think all the data analysis would show this, but the ads don't go away and the phone calls never stop.
The Analytics DO show this. Do you think it's in Google's interest to tell ad buyers;
"80% of Americans click on ads so rarely that it's pointless to put ads up on most websites. And 40% are so turned off by the advertising that they are less likely to buy your product."
That part of the analysis gets conveniently left out.

Anonymous Stickwick August 12, 2017 3:48 PM  

Raptor: Its not surprising in the least. The best engineering schools aren't in the Ivy League, many of them most people aren't even aware of outside of the engineering world.

I'm in the hard sciences, not engineering. In my field, we've historically seen high level work coming from the Ivy League schools. I did not know the same could not be said of their engineering departments; plus Google does hire people with non-engineering degrees (e.g. James Damore and his Harvard biology background).

Blogger Cail Corishev August 12, 2017 4:06 PM  

I have an Adwords account that I haven't used in at least 10 years. In fact, I don't think I ever bought any ads; I signed up so I could use some of the search term analysis tools for clients. Anyway, I just got an email with an offer for a $150 credit if I start using it.

Probably just a coincidence.

Anonymous Dave August 12, 2017 4:43 PM  

Damore's manifesto repeatedly emphasizes that he's talking about averages, not pointing fingers at particular Google employees. But averages only matter when talking about average people.

When you consider the selection process that cis-gendered hetero white men have to go through to get jobs at Google, it's very likely that every single one of them is smarter than every diversity hire, to the point that when he talks about code, they don't understand a word he's saying.

Anonymous Jonathan August 12, 2017 4:44 PM  

Small sample size, but the four recent Ivy Leaguers I have regular contact with are intellectually unimpressive. One majored (or concentrated) in economics at Harvard and has almost no understanding of economics and is unfamiliar with the important economists.

I also recently came in contact with a current naval academy midshipman, a black woman. She "axed" me a question. That should immediately disqualify someone from consideration for any "elite" institution.

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2017 8:58 PM  

> returns a 404

Remove the https:// and it should work. Apparently the shortener already contains that and the url as listed gives it to you twice.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 12, 2017 10:29 PM  

It's okay if you keep using YouTube -- it's one of Google's biggest moneypits which never gets close to being filled. It's a bottomless money pit. The more people use it, the more money Google burns.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 13, 2017 1:43 AM  

@23 Stickwick
"Gotta admit, I was a little surprised the Ivy Leaguers underperformed."

Might have something to do with this, perhaps?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

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