Monday, August 21, 2017

Trump speech

Don't get too discouraged by all the neoconnery. Remember, Trump likes to give people their head and let them hang themselves.

UPDATE: My take is that Trump has told the generals and the CIA something like this: "It's been 16 years. You say that you haven't been successful because my predecessors kept interfering with you and forcing you to play nation-building dollhouse. That's true. Fine. Hands off it is. You have carte blanche. Tell me what you need and I'll give it to you. And if you still can't deliver, well, then we'll know and you'll have no excuses.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Please be seated. Vice President Pence, Secretary of State Tillerson, members of the cabinet, General Dunford, Deputy Secretary Shanahan and Colonel Duggan. Most especially, thank you to the men and women of Fort Myer and every member of the United States military at home and abroad. We send our thoughts and prayers to the families of our brave sailors who were injured and lost after a tragic collision at sea as well as to those conducting the search and recovery efforts.

I am here tonight to lay out our path forward in Afghanistan and South Asia. But before I provide the details of our new strategy, I want to say a few words to the service members here with us tonight, to those watching from their posts, and to all Americans listening at home. Since the founding of our republic, our country has produced a special class of heroes whose selflessness, courage, and resolve is unmatched in human history.

American patriots from every  generation have given their last breath on the battlefield - for our nation and for our freedom. Through their lives, and though their lives were cut short, in their deeds they achieved total immortality. By following the heroic example of those who fought to preserve our republic, we can find the inspiration our country needs to unify, to heal and to remain one nation under God. The men and women of our military operate as one team, with one shared mission and one shared sense of purpose.

They transcend every line of race, ethnicity, creed and color to serve together and sacrifice together in absolutely perfect cohesion. That is because all service members are brothers and sisters. They are all part of the same family. It’s called the American family. They take the same oath, fight for the same flag and live according to the same law.

They are bound together by common purpose, mutual trust and selfless devotion to our nation and to each other. The soldier understands what we as a nation too often forget, that a wound inflicted upon on a single member of our community is a wound inflicted upon us all. When one part of America hurts, we all hurt.

And when one citizen suffers an injustice, we all suffer together. Loyalty to our nation demands loyalty to one another. Love for America requires love for all of its people. When we open our hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice, no place for bigotry and no tolerance for hate. The young men and women we send to fight our wars abroad deserve to return to a country that is not at war with itself at home. We cannot remain a force for peace in the world if we are not at peace with each other.

As we send our bravest to defeat our enemies overseas, and we will always win, let us find the courage to heal our divisions within. Let us make a simple promise to the men and women we ask to fight in our name, that when they return home from battle, they will find a country that has renewed the sacred bonds of love and loyalty that unite us together as one.

Thanks to the vigilance and skill of the American military, and of our many allies throughout the world, horrors on the scale of September 11, and nobody can ever forget that, have not been repeated on our shores. But we must acknowledge the reality I am here to talk about tonight, that nearly 16 years after September 11 attacks, after the extraordinary sacrifice of blood and treasure, the American people are weary of war without victory.

Nowhere is this more evident than with the war in Afghanistan, the longest war in American history - 17 years. I share the American people's frustration. I also share their frustration over a foreign policy that has spent too much time, energy, money, and most importantly, lives trying to rebuild countries in our own image instead of pursuing our security interests above all other considerations. That is why shortly after my inauguration, I directed Secretary of Defense Mattis and my national security team to undertake a comprehensive review of all strategic options in Afghanistan and South Asia.

My original instinct was to pull out, and historically I like following my instincts. But all my life, I have heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office. In other words, when you are president of the United States. So I studied Afghanistan in great detail and from every conceivable angle. After many meetings over many months, we held our final meeting last Friday at Camp David with my cabinet and generals to complete our strategy. I arrived at three fundamental conclusion about America's core interests in Afghanistan.

First, our nation must seek an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the tremendous sacrifices that have been made, especially the sacrifices of lives. The men and women who serve our nation in combat deserve a plan for victory. They deserve the tools they need and the trust they have earned to fight and to win.

Second, the consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable. 9/11, the worst terrorist attack in our history, was planned and directed from Afghanistan because that country was ruled by a government that gave comfort and shelter to terrorists. A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS and al Qaeda, would instantly fill, just as happened before September 11. And as we know, in 2011, America hastily and mistakenly withdrew from Iraq.

As a result, our hard-won gains slipped back into the hands of terrorist enemies. Our soldiers watched as cities they had fought for and bled to liberate and won were occupied by a terrorist group called ISIS. The vacuum we created by leaving too soon gave safe haven for ISIS to spread, to grow, recruit and launch attacks. We cannot repeat in Afghanistan the mistake our leaders made in Iraq.

Third and finally, I concluded that the security threats we face in Afghanistan and the broader region are immense. Today, 20 U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations are active in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world. For its part, Pakistan often gives safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror. The threat is worse because Pakistan and India are two nuclear-armed states, whose tense relations threaten to spiral into conflict, and that could happen.

No one denies that we have inherited a challenging and troubling situation in Afghanistan and South Asia, but we do not have the luxury of going back in time and making different or better decisions.

When I became president, I was given a bad and very complex hand, but I fully knew what I was getting into. Big and intricate problems. But one way or another, these problems will be solved. I am a problem solver. And in the end, we will win. We must address the reality of the world as it exists right now, the threats we face, and the confronting of all of the problems of today, an extremely predictable consequences of a hasty withdrawal. We need look no further than last week's vile, vicious attack in Barcelona to understand that terror groups will stop at nothing to commit the mass murder of innocent men, women and children.

You saw it for yourself. Horrible. As I outlined in my speech in Saudi Arabia, three months ago, America and our partners are committed to stripping terrorists of their territory, cutting off their funding and exposing the false allure of their evil ideology. Terrorists who slaughter innocent people will find no glory in this life or the next. They are nothing but thugs and criminals and predators, and, that’s right, losers. Working alongside our allies, we will break their will, dry up their recruitment, keep them from crossing our borders, and yes, we will defeat them, and we will defeat them handily.

In Afghanistan and Pakistan, America's interests are clear. We must stop the resurgence of safe havens that enable terrorists to threaten America. And we must prevent nuclear weapons and materials from coming into the hands of terrorists and being used against us or anywhere in the world, for that matter. But to prosecute this war, we will learn from history.

As a result of our comprehensive review, American strategy in Afghanistan and South Asia will change dramatically in the following ways: A core pillar of our new strategy is a shift from a time-based approach to one based on conditions. I’ve said it many times, how counterproductive it is for the United States to announce in advance the dates we intend to begin or end military options.

We will not talk about numbers of troops or our plans for further military activities. Conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables, will guide our strategy from now on. America's enemies must never know our plans or believe they can wait us out. I will not say when we are going to attack, but attack we will.

Another fundamental pillar of our new strategy is the integration of all instruments of American power: diplomatic, economic, and military, toward a successful outcome. Someday, after an effective military effort, perhaps it will be possible to have a political settlement that includes elements of the Taliban and Afghanistan, but nobody knows if or when that will ever happen. America will continue its support for the Afghan government and the Afghan military as they confront the Taliban in the field.

Ultimately, it is up to the people of Afghanistan to take ownership of their future, to govern their society, and to achieve an everlasting peace. We are a partner and a friend, but we will not dictate to the Afghan people how to live or how to govern their own complex society. We are not nation building again. We are killing terrorists.

The next pillar of our new strategy is to change the approach in how to deal with Pakistan. We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban, and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond.

Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan. It has much to lose by continuing to harbor criminals and terrorists. In the past, Pakistan has been a valued partner. Our militaries have worked together against common enemies. The Pakistani people have suffered greatly from terrorism and extremism. We recognize those contributions and those sacrifices, but Pakistan has also sheltered the same organizations that try every single day to kill our people. We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars, at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting. But that will have to change. And that will change immediately. No partnership can survive a country's harboring of militants and terrorists who target U.S. service members and officials. It is time for Pakistan to demonstrate its commitment to civilization, order and to peace.

Another critical part of the South Asia strategy for America is to further develop its strategic partnership with India, the world's largest democracy and a key security and economic partner of the United States. We appreciate India's important contributions to stability in Afghanistan, but India makes billions of dollars in trade with the United States, and we want them to help us more with Afghanistan, especially in the area of economic assistance and development. We are committed to pursuing our shared objectives for peace and security in South Asia and the broader Indo-Pacific region.

Finally, my administration will ensure that you, the brave defenders of the American people, will have the necessary tools and rules of engagement to make this strategy work and work effectively and work quickly.

I have already lifted restrictions the previous administration placed on our war fighters that prevented the secretary of defense and our commanders in the field from fully and swiftly waging battle against the enemy.

Micromanagement from Washington, D.C. does not win battles. They are won in the field drawing upon the judgment and expertise of wartime commanders and frontline soldiers, acting in real time with real authority and with a clear mission to defeat the enemy. That’s why we will also expand authority for American armed forces to target the terrorist and criminal networks that sow violence and chaos throughout Afghanistan.

These killers need to know they have nowhere to hide, that no place is beyond the reach of American might and American arms. Retribution will be fast and powerful.

As we lift restrictions and expand authorities in the field, we are already seeing dramatic results in the campaign to defeat ISIS, including the liberation of Mosul in Iraq. Since my inauguration, we have achieved record-breaking success in that regard. We will also maximize sanctions and other financial and law enforcement actions against these networks to eliminate their ability to export terror. When America commits its warriors to battle, we must ensure they have every weapon to apply swift, decisive and overwhelming force.

Our troops will fight to win. We will fight to win. From now on, victory will have a clear definition — attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing al-Qaida, preventing the Taliban from taking over Afghanistan and stopping mass terror attacks against America before they emerge. We will ask our NATO allies and global partners to support our new strategy, with additional troop and funding increases in line with our own. We are confident they will.

Since taking office, I have made clear that our allies and partners must contribute much more money to our collective defense, and they have done so.

In this struggle, the heaviest burden will continue to be borne by the good people of Afghanistan and their courageous armed forces.

As the prime minister of Afghanistan has promised, we are going to participate in economic development to help defray the cost of this war to us. Afghanistan is fighting to defend and secure their country against the same enemies who threaten us. The stronger the Afghan security forces become, the less we will have to do. Afghans will secure and build their own nation and define their own future. We want them to succeed. But we will no longer use American military might to construct democracies in faraway lands or try to rebuild other countries in our own image. Those days are now over. Instead, we will work with allies and partners to protect our shared interests.

We are not asking others to change their way of life but to pursue common goals that allow our children to live better and safer lives. This principled realism will guide our decisions moving forward. Military power alone will not bring peace to Afghanistan or stop the terrorist threat arising in that country.

But strategically-applied force aims to create the conditions for a political process to achieve a lasting peace. America will work with the Afghan government as long as we see determination and progress.

However, our commitment is not unlimited, and our support is not a blank check. The government of Afghanistan must carry their share of the military, political and economic burden. The American people expect to see real reforms, real progress and real results.

Our patience is not unlimited. We will keep our eyes wide open. In abiding by the oath I took on January 20, I will remain steadfast in protecting American lives and American interests. In this effort, we will make common cause with any nation that chooses to stand and fight alongside us against this global threat.

Terrorists, take heed. America will never let up until you are dealt a lasting defeat. Under my administration, many billions of dollars more is being spent on our military. And this includes vast amounts being spent on our nuclear arsenal and missile defense. In every generation, we have faced down evil, and we have always prevailed.

We prevailed because we know who we are and what we are fighting for. Not far from where we are gathered tonight, hundreds of thousands of America's greatest patriots lay in eternal rest at Arlington national cemetery. There is more courage, sacrifice and love in those hallowed grounds than in any other spot on the face of the Earth.

Many of those who have fought and died in Afghanistan enlisted in the months after September 11, 2001. They volunteered for a simple reason: they loved America and they were determined to protect her. Now we must secure the cause for which they gave their lives. We must unite to defend America from its enemies abroad. We must restore the bonds of loyalty among our citizens at home, and we must achieve an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the enormous price that so many have paid.

Our actions and in months to come, all of them will honor the sacrifice of every fallen hero, every family who lost a loved one and every wounded warrior who shed their blood in defense of our great nation.

With our resolve, we will ensure that your service and that your family’s will bring about the defeat of our enemies and the arrival of peace. We will push onward to victory with power in our hearts, courage in our souls and everlasting pride in each and every one of you.

Thank you. May God bless our military, and may God bless the United States of America. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 21, 2017 9:32 PM  

Very measured speech. Far less animated than his normal delivery. Interesting that Trump is targeting Pakistan and attempting to engage India much more.

And letting the field troops get on with the war is a good move. The Law of Land Warfare is a rough-and-ready code for fighting men in the field, not a toy for lawyers to play with.

Anonymous johnc August 21, 2017 9:32 PM  

You could tell he didn't like this idea.

Anonymous Andrew E. August 21, 2017 9:35 PM  

The American people won't give Trump a straight up Muslim ban so a terrorist state ruling over Afghanistan probably isn't an option.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 21, 2017 9:36 PM  

Signaling that you're leaving means you lose because the locals abandon you. There's no real way of "winning" the situation without systematic extermination of multiple people groups. Since that's generally a terrible & horrific idea, it makes Afghanistan one of the harder nuts to crack.

Only real play is to change the type & composition of troops and cut them down over time. Oh, and find the CIA members that run the Opium rings, take them out back & shoot them. That'd be good as well.

Blogger Sheila4g August 21, 2017 9:36 PM  

Totally off-topic: I cannot locate (and readily admit I was negligent in not copying it down when I first saw it) the Hitler quote about Jews arguing - i.e. never admitting being wrong and claiming not to remember a previous argument and advancing the same claims he previously disproved, etc. I tried a couple of different search engines (not Goolag) and nothing's coming up. Could someone please help me?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 21, 2017 9:40 PM  

The big headache is defining victory. Attempting to turn Afghanistan into a modern democracy is a fool's errand. Simply making sure that the Afghans understand that hosting terrorists is more feasible...and adequate for our needs.

Anonymous Avalanche August 21, 2017 9:44 PM  

Also OT: Please, Dark Lord, reconsider letting Judeo-Christ (or someone else, if protecting him is needed) resume posting the Periscopes on YouTube. Yes, the quality isn't what you'd like; but no one expect quality on YouTube -- they make everything looks pretty mediocre.

The information you provide, the teaching and discussing,(the lessons in rhetoric!) are SO important to folks as they lean toward the Alt Right, that the "just 23" replays that Periscope keeps available are too few.

I had a friend in AK ask for info and viewpoints on CVille. I could send him to the YouTubes you did (on Facebook, cause they're long gone from Twitter) to learn.

The Russian samizdat were not Castalia House quality; they were desperately needed information behind enemy lines.

Anonymous Avalanche August 21, 2017 9:45 PM  

Ack, not Facebook on YouTube. (The enemy begins to blur...)

Anonymous johnc August 21, 2017 9:48 PM  


Blogger red clock August 21, 2017 9:51 PM  

Here's what matters

The Wall

Trump has backed both, but GOP Senate/Congress are blocking it.
So, what is needed is more Repubs in Congress, so that these measures can pass.

This can happen in 2018. It's possible if Trump improves his approval ratings. What is also important is replacing establishment Republicans in Congress/Senate with more independent/patriotic ones like Nehlem/Ward/Moore etc.

To sum up:
Nationalist agenda is being blocked, but has a chance if Trump improves his approval and Republicans elect better reps. That should be the priority.

Tough road.

Blogger Skyler the Weird August 21, 2017 9:52 PM  

The Soviet Commisars and Political Officers in the 1980's were shocked to find the Afghanis had no interest in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. All they wanted was to pray towards Mecca, beat their wives and diddle their Livestock ( or vice versa). They aren't interested at all in Western Liberal Democracy.

Blogger LES August 21, 2017 9:56 PM  

Substitute Viet Nam for Afghanistan in the speech. I've heard it before.

No one addresses the cause of Islamic terrorism. The Muslims have seen the map of the future Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. The US is seen as the muscle for Israel.

I don't support (undeclared) wars that I wouldn't be willing to die for.

Blogger Timmy3 August 21, 2017 9:56 PM  

It's only a token 4,000 troops. Not much, but let's not escalate.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 21, 2017 10:01 PM  

I have to concur with @Avalanche. Periscope itself is literally unusable for me and a lot of others. The sound level is simply inaudible, and it will periodically cut out for minutes at a time, for no discernible reason, and often never return. On the PC, I can't even skip ahead to resume where it got lost contemplating the universe.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky August 21, 2017 10:03 PM  

Sometimes you have to make a decision, and every option is bad. That's life, and those decisions are what American presidents are paid to make.

Trump got handed a shit sandwich in Afghanistan, and Iraq -- include Syria now in the Iraq column, and Libya, and Egypt, and all those Arab Spring fiascos.

Obama really did botch it with the historic power vacuum that he created by bugging out of Iraq. Look at the refugee invasion of Europe if you want proof.

Bush really screwed up by listening to the neocon adventurists. It's a total show.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 21, 2017 10:10 PM  

Trump should just leave the worthless cesspool. Pull the troops out. There is nothing to win in Afghanistan.

Does anyone even know what victory would look like in a place like that?

Anonymous Roundtine August 21, 2017 10:13 PM  

The new goal is kill terrorists and anyone who kills terrorists is our friend. Even the Taliban.
Sounds like human rights, democracy, feminism and all the rest is taking a back seat to wiping out the enemy.

Anonymous Roundtine August 21, 2017 10:14 PM  

Does anyone even know what victory would look like in a place like that?

A Muslim dictator who imposes traditional Islam and behads anyone who even mentions jihad.

Blogger allyn71 August 21, 2017 10:14 PM  

NeoCons to Trump..."The Spice must flow."

Blogger Cail Corishev August 21, 2017 10:17 PM  

It's a good lesson about why you should always be reluctant to get involved in foreign escapades. It's always hard to get out, even when the man in charge wants to.

I'm noticing more and more of a CIA subtext to things. The Bushes were CIA and got us involved in Afghanistan for their own reasons. Now things are lining up with President Trump, the military, and maybe now the FBI on one side, and the CIA, neocons, and the rest of the globalist establishment on the other. I'm wondering if Afghanistan is going to be a battleground in that fight.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 21, 2017 10:20 PM  

@13 Timmy3

There's really nothing to escalate into, unless we're going to start ethnic cleansing. I'd have preferred switch to the PMC route, just as a matter of RoE principals, but that doesn't downshift the costs to the USA.

At the same time, it's not a situation you can just extract yourself from easily. Considering the last time McCain & Graham praised Trump, he left them with a case of blue balls, I wouldn't put too much into this.

"We will no longer use American military might to construct democracies in far away lands or try to rebuild other countries in our own image. Those days are over." The video there.

Heavy emphasis on "Winning".

3 Core Interests:

1) "Honorable and enduring outcome" - Winning
2) Pulling out fast leads to predictable & terrible consequences. (MASSIVE shots at Obama.)
3) The USA is there for our Strategic Interests. Can't rewind history. Pakistan-India Issues intertwined. (This is the first acknowledgement of that reality.)

And he called the Jihadist losers again. "And that's right,... losers."

Carrot/Stick approach with Pakistan. It would appear the backside diplomacy hasn't gone too well lately. However, that Awan Brothers situation means we should have information on most of their Western networks.

India is the wedge with both Pakistan & China. Pressure on China via India let's North Korea deescalate without losing face. This is why Strategic Planning gives you. Pakistan has to be pissed about this speech.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 21, 2017 10:24 PM  

Can anyone tell me a good reason why the president keeps McMasters around? His base wants him gone and Breitbart is slamming him daily.
Surely Trump has a good reason. I know McMasters wants a full on nation building. Effort in Afghanistan.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 21, 2017 10:25 PM  

18. Roundtine

A Muslim dictator who imposes traditional Islam and behads anyone who even mentions jihad.

Jihad IS traditional Islam. ISIS, the Taliban, and Al Qaeda are following the Koran.

Guys like Assad are secular dictators who do what you suggest, and we keep trying to overthrow them in favor of 'traditional Islamic' movements like ISIS.

That said, the Taliban are basically the Pathans and we aren't going to form any stable Afhani government without them.

Blogger Kyle Searle August 21, 2017 10:26 PM  

Trump is an imperfect wreaking ball, nothing more, nothing less. It would be 'nice' if he got with the program but that's another political generation ahead. The real effort should be to start finding and grooming potential successors and continue pushing the neocons to the side.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 21, 2017 10:31 PM  

@18 Roundtine

That's pretty much the acceptable outcome from our perspective.

This speech, at one level, doesn't mean too much. But in the big picture, it's a big, big strategic shift. Imperialist "New Democracies for everyone!" is over as a matter of policy. Pakistan was put on blast. Trump changes the entire strategic calculation for every other major actor. That's big and will play out over the course of years.

@20 Cail Corishev

There's a good argument Obama's 2 years at Columbia were mostly done as a CIA asset in Pakistan. So that makes CIA-linked Presidents from 1988 through 2016.

Trump, however, is highly intertwined with Military Intelligence. Trump is slowly stripping the CIA down. The shift of Cyber Command to a top-level command should move NSA, CIA & DIA controls over to the new Cyber Command. New head of the CIA? West Point Grad. Main objective is to end the CIA's ability to be a "state within a state".

But it's also nice that Trump just disavowed all of the NeoCons. That's a great day.

Blogger Johnny August 21, 2017 10:34 PM  

a deplorable rubber ducky wrote:Trump got handed a shit sandwich in Afghanistan, and Iraq --

The one sensible argument I have heard for us staying in Afghanistan is that if we pull out radical elements might use the place as a base for destabilizing Pakistan, which of course is a nuclear power.

The place is basically tribal, which is why we get so little traction focusing on a central government. What I believe to a high degree of certainty is that we should at least try shifting our focus from the central government and to the tribal organizations. Buy them off with a few minimal conditions. They are poor people so it would not cost much. Require that they keep foreigners out of their tribal territory (something they may do spontaneously), and at least for a while, abstain from killing people in the capital. That really would be all that we would need for the place to be a minimal problem.

Us going around the world trying to impose our cultural norms, and doing it with guns of all things, is such nonsense...

Anonymous Looking Glass August 21, 2017 10:35 PM  

@22 Wynn Lloyd

About half the stuff McMasters is claimed to have done isn't possible. McM can block hires, more than likely, but he has no authority to fire people. Several of the fired people don't seem to exist, and people were fired from positions that didn't exist either.

The Trump Administration is running a Spook War. All information is Disinformation. "The leaks are real; the news is fake." Remember that. It's the speeches or when Trump talks that you get real news.

Last two big members to leave went out in a blaze of glory. That's not an accident. Though there are internal disagreements on issues, obviously. Though some of the word is that McMasters will likely get promoted (he's a 3 star general) into another command.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 21, 2017 10:38 PM  

Question for the more militarily inclined around,
If memory serves China and India are getting more and more agitated against one another in regards to Bhutan.

Hypothetically speaking, is a potential troop build up at all related to that? I'd hope not since it's not something America should concern itself with. But I'm pondering the idea.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 21, 2017 10:39 PM  

Interesting that Trump is targeting Pakistan and attempting to engage India much more.

It's not unlikely that Pakistan is the Qatar of South Asia, essentially.

Blogger Elder Son August 21, 2017 10:53 PM  

pondering the idea.

Pondering a 200 Million man army marching through the mountains of Northern India?

Blogger Johnny August 21, 2017 10:53 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:China and India are getting more and more agitated against one another in regards to Bhutan.

Hypothetically speaking, is a potential troop build up at all related to that?

Seems very unlikely to me. Our troop numbers are tiny relative to what either China or India will put forward if things get hot. Plus if Afghanistan is to be used as a "listening station" to keep track of what is going on, that would not require more troops.

Blogger D. August 21, 2017 10:54 PM  

funny that:

Stand by your Awan (3)


Labour shadow minister quits after writing Sun article profiling British Pakistani men as rapists

It is like some form of collusion going on here.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 21, 2017 10:55 PM  

Just spitballing. Wasn't in the military so I'm not but so versed on such subjects

Blogger wisdom wizard August 21, 2017 10:56 PM  

I'm not worried. Mr. President has proven to be more shrewd than even supporters gave him credit for. I almost let myself get into a panic over the Syria Strike, until I saw your take here. I'm not making that mistake again.

Anonymous crushlimbraw August 21, 2017 11:00 PM  

Head fake!

Blogger Phat Repat August 21, 2017 11:02 PM  

With Trump there is certainly no lack of entertainment. But when you're chattin up a pretty girl, or a farm animal if you're Snively Dipslash, at some point you're gonna start to wonder, are we gonna fornicate or what?

And please President Trump, stop with the hand gestures already, I can't even hear what you're saying as you wave your hands weirdly about.

Blogger Jourdan August 21, 2017 11:04 PM  

That was the goddamned best speech by President George W. Bush I've heard in over eight years. He really, really nailed all the right talking points.

Anonymous Battlefrog August 21, 2017 11:08 PM  

Just watched the Dark Stream, excited to hear Vox's thoughts on Javanka vs. Bannon. Seems you forgot to bring it up. I'd love to hear your thoughts if you can squeeze it in next episode!

Blogger Elder Son August 21, 2017 11:13 PM  

He's going to build a wall on the Afghan/Pak border?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 21, 2017 11:14 PM  

Surely Trump has a good reason.

Just spitballing here...

Imagine that you're the president and you're concerned about the influence of a certain group inside the White House, but it would be impolitic to remove a bunch of them yourself because of connections within your own family. But what if there were someone you could appoint who would get rid of them for you because he's also not a fan of that group; and since your enemies recommended him, there would be no blood on your hands? Someone no one else likes, so you wouldn't have to worry about him gathering too much power around him, and it would be easy to get rid of him whenever you decided he'd outlived his usefulness?

Blogger modsquad August 21, 2017 11:26 PM  

They're not leaving Afghanistan period, and it has nothing to do with containing religious extremism. The country has a trillion dollars in minerals in the ground.

Blogger Rough Carrigan August 21, 2017 11:36 PM  

Wait, I thought this week it was North Korea that had a trillion dollars of minerals in the ground.

Does everyone have a trillion dollars of minerals in the ground? Is the sample of ground being extended from national borders down to the center of the earth?

Blogger Rough Carrigan August 21, 2017 11:37 PM  

As to why they're not leaving, it's less likely dirt than a pretty flower that grows in the dirt of Afghanistan.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident August 21, 2017 11:37 PM  

Sheila4g - that quote you're looking for isn't a Hitler quote. It's somewhat older, as I recall.

Try Martin Luther.

Blogger Sheila4g August 21, 2017 11:40 PM  

@9 johnc: Many thanks. Copied and saved.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 21, 2017 11:44 PM  

@29 VFM #7634

Pakistani Intelligence runs most of the country and they support most of the terrorist groups. They also hid bin Laden for a rather long time.

The key strategic aspect is India. The USA has always favored India over Pakistan. (English speakers/former British Empire/not a bunch of Muslim nut jobs) However, just because we've favored them, doesn't mean we haven't normally played kid gloves with Pakistan. Yet, Pakistan has also gotten worse with successive regimes. They're as much of a problem as most other considerations.

The subtle play, that probably won't be commented on, is that Trump has made keeping Afghanistan under control in India's interest. Not quite sure how that effects thing (maybe not do anything stupid in Kashmir?), but it's important for reasons that we lack the information for details about.

The other details is that Trump has officially opened up the Rules of Engagement. That's been a running complaint for nearly 2 decades. And it's also really important in reference to the removal ISIS in Iraq. There's a fascinating Network Warfare aspect to all of this that I can't talk about.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 21, 2017 11:44 PM  

"I'm noticing more and more of a CIA subtext to things. The Bushes were CIA and got us involved in Afghanistan for their own reasons."

Funny you should mention that. The most popular video of the Challenger crash in Charlottesville was posted by a man named Brennan Gilmore. Mr. Gilmore filmed the car's approach, from the moment that it rounded the corner through the crash, then later posted the (edited) video on YouTube, where it "went viral." CNN just happened to interview him at the scene, well before his video took off.

Mr. Gilmore's previous employment had involved working as Deputy Chief of Mission in the Central African Republic, where his primary responsibilities involved coordination with Special Forces deployed in the area. He was also involved with the Kony 2012 "viral" propaganda campaign. I'm sure he was just a State Dept. employee, though, not affiliated with the CIA at all.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 21, 2017 11:45 PM  

But what is the purpose? Why is McMastrrs so much more valuable than any other military official, preferably one who supports MAGA?
The president is a truly great man. He is very enigmatic, however.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 21, 2017 11:49 PM  

That makes sense. I don't understand why it would be controversial to fire people from his own administration.
Oh wait do you mean a group, or a (((group)))?

Anonymous Looking Glass August 21, 2017 11:55 PM  

@49 Wynn Lloyd

McMasters is good for the job, but he's compromised in a few ways by the Deep State interests. Funny thing is, with Cernovich slowly getting into his head, he has to keep his ship tight and not get out of line.

The Front-Facing layer is The Apprentice. The back-layer is a Intelligence Operation. There's a lot of intentionally false information being pushed out. Trump has been paying for top-level Intelligence for decades. (This is why there is a Trump Tweet for everything.) Trump is creating his own Hall of Mirrors for anyone trying to look close. That's the point.

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2017 12:00 AM  

So is there a good explanation yet as to why Trump's WH is like 95% Globalists, Democrats, and Jews (triple redundancy)?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 22, 2017 12:03 AM  

@49, Look at who's complaining about McMaster getting rid of whom. A lot of the complaints boil down to, "Trump should fire McMaster before he gets rid of any more important pro-Israel people." Then they scratch their heads wondering why Trump can't see it, because they've already decided he couldn't want just that.

But it's just a theory, like I said. Looking Glass's is at least as good, and probably much better thought out.

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 12:06 AM  

Wait, I thought this week it was North Korea that had a trillion dollars of minerals in the ground.

And guess who is pulling those minerals out of the Afghan ground?


While we fight the Taliban. And the CIA sells heroin.

MuriKa! Bigly!

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 22, 2017 12:14 AM  

"And guess who is pulling those minerals out of the Afghan ground?


While we fight the Taliban. And the CIA sells heroin.

MuriKa! Bigly"

Who are the biggest customers for Middle East oil? China and Japan. How many troops do they have stationed there? How many wars have they fought there?

Blogger Elder Son August 22, 2017 12:24 AM  

Mafia, money laundering, and enforcers?

Anonymous Duke Nukem August 22, 2017 12:42 AM  

Still waiting for the checkmate to all this "4D chess".

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2017 12:43 AM  

Two days, people.

Just take a deep breath and say "goosfraba".

It's going to be all right.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 22, 2017 12:43 AM  

As a former co-worker said of our new boss; "Of course the executives know he's an a##hole. They hired him because they wanted an a**hole."
McMaster is firing people that Trump wants to be rid of, in a plausibly deniable way. I seriously doubt Trump is keeping him there out of personal loyalty.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 22, 2017 12:55 AM  

@57 Stg58/Animal Mother

I don't think we even need two days. NeoConnery is officially dead. Combat Commanders are free to execute their objectives free of DC interference. No more Micromanaging. (Trump has probably gamed out how every previous President has failed in the worst ways; LBJ's micromanagement killed Vietnam, for instance.)

Trump's Military Strategy can be summoned up as: "Don't start fights & use VERY POINTY STICKS when you're in one". As a matter of policy, Americans are pretty terribly as subtlety & precision, but dear Lord are we good at making everything in a general direction very dead. Trump knows this and is clearly using it.

It probably also means that Raytheon will be happy. Getting Pointy normally means Live Target testing of weapons.

Anonymous Precious August 22, 2017 1:01 AM  

So is there a good explanation yet as to Trump's WH is like 95% Globalists, Democrats, and Jews

You keep your friends close, but...

Anonymous Sharrukin August 22, 2017 1:07 AM  

51. johnc

So is there a good explanation yet as to why Trump's WH is like 95% Globalists, Democrats, and Jews

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"

Anonymous Looking Glass August 22, 2017 1:19 AM

This thread, on DeadBird, from Sundance is worth a read. Sundance has a really good understanding in Trump's Economic Leverage Strategies. That's really the point. Making an objective for Americans in the best interest of other countries is what Trump will do for 8 years. And it'll keep working.

Anonymous Self-hypnosis is the best hypnosis August 22, 2017 2:59 AM  

I personally have no doubt that Trump is 100% awesome. All MAGA, erryday.

But let's explore a few things.

1. Trump is 71 years old. He's a wealthy real-estate tycoon, and a star, and President of the United States. He's going to die happy no matter what happens in 2024.

2. Trump was the best the Republicans could field to beat the least likable Democratic candidate since Mondale.

3. Trump isn't magic. It doesn't matter if you call him the God-Emperor, he isn't either one of those, and you're fooling yourself if you think so.

4. Trump's deference to his hand-picked generals isn't wise; maybe Ike had a point about the military-industrial complex.

5. Never implicitly trust any opinion from foreign sources.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 22, 2017 3:12 AM  

Self-hypnosis is the best hypnosis wrote:3. Trump isn't magic. It doesn't matter if you call him the God-Emperor, he isn't either one of those, and you're fooling yourself if you think so.
What's that smell?
It smells like HERESY!!!!
We shall root it out, root and branch. Purge the heresy, men!

Anonymous Hypnosis is all okay, okay? August 22, 2017 3:20 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Self-hypnosis is the best hypnosis wrote:3. Trump isn't magic. It doesn't matter if you call him the God-Emperor, he isn't either one of those, and you're fooling yourself if you think so.

What's that smell?

It smells like HERESY!!!!

We shall root it out, root and branch. Purge the heresy, men!

Bring the Christian legions! Let the Crusades pave the way!

The fat of the land shall prove the vanguard for the front!

The fat, like fat people.

Blogger Freddy August 22, 2017 3:20 AM  

Phoenix rising manana.

Anonymous Unity! August 22, 2017 3:50 AM  

Today is a good day.

Vox Day and Ben Shapiro both agree that Trump made a good speech.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 22, 2017 5:11 AM  

Ah ok. I think I get what you are saying now. Thanks.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 22, 2017 5:17 AM  

Ah thanks. I forget that he has his disinformation campaign going. I guess if it's not from his mouth directly it's less than accurate, or at least could be.
I'm glad we have a president with cunning for once. Bush and Obama were dopes. Or maybe that was a front lol.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 22, 2017 5:20 AM  

I ignorantly wasn't thinking about Israel as much as I should have with all of this. That clarifies. If that's the case then I think there's yet another example of the need to trust his judgement.
Thanks. What you've said makes sense.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd August 22, 2017 5:25 AM  

Makes sense.
More sense than the articles at Breitbart on McMasters.

Blogger Lovekraft August 22, 2017 5:57 AM  

My analysis is looking currently at how political messages are targeting the middle and lower class women's vote, crucial to election victory.

This group is highly susceptible to virtue signalling, group identity, empathy etc so we on the right are going to be portrayed as uncompassionate, stern, boring etc.

It still boggles my mind how much sway the 'entertainment' industry still has. How gender/lgbt/blm identity politics has crept into everyday lives.

Blogger Lovekraft August 22, 2017 6:05 AM  

A counter-argument that keeps creeping up to Trump's strategy, we all know, is: "the west/US keeps meddling in our affairs so you have no right to criticize when our jihadis strike back.

The main problem is the type of attack. Both are arguably worth criticism, guerilla tactics are necessary sometimes, and jihadis are basically just a bunch of lunatics.

The answer is the west leaves the ME, north Africa and all muslims leave Europe, NA, Australia (South America and sub-Saharan Africa will need our assistance). Russia, India and China will deal with global jihad their own way.

But since Trump isn't doing this, we have to counter what I know is going to keep cropping up.

Anonymous Anonymous August 22, 2017 6:16 AM  

There is one way to win the a-stan and a couple of ways to sort of win there

We could sort of win by letting the various people live in the ethnic and political tribes they want as in no more single nation state called Afghanistan but a handful of smaller states, then we could make sure they are to busy killing each other to worry us much

Won't happen because the dumbfucks in the state department worship large nations in some mythical belief the larger the nation the more stable the international political scene will be and it would still be fucked up place, mostly lawless and welcoming to various shit starters.

I think someone already mentioned this but a dictator that would follow our lead would work for awhile but sooner or latter the usa will get another pussy like Carter as POTUS and then it's Iran all over again.

Not sure how you can define victory in the middle East,against moslems etc outside of genocide. Won't happen but is probaly much easier to pull off then folks think. From a technical perspective

In theory we need a big win though. Right now these places are a huge hajji meat grinder. We kill a fuck ton of them, they get lucky every now and again. Them getting lucky sucks ass, I am running out of places to tattoo the names of dead brothers but the meat grinder is working in certian ways.

Since we won't do the logical things.... deporting all moslems, not allowing them to enter the usa beyond diplomatic measures, massive and I mean massive reprisals when they step out of line, the meat grinder might be the best of our shitty options.

If that is the case, we should fight it in a much more cost effective manner. As in low tech close air support like Douglass Sky raiders, SF teams training the locals and running the various missions, paying other hajjis from some where else to kill which every group of hajjis in our cross hairs, Tier 1 and Rangers hunting down specific hajjis you want dead, lots of old school massed artillery, a disregard for non combatants and a combat brigade and air wing on standby in case some of our guys are near in extra deepshit

Since we won't do any of the smart, relatively easy stuff, and since we won't do the cold brutal shit that would work after a fashion, we should just get the fuck out.

But we won't do any of the smart shit. We're to "morally up right" for practical solutions. In a few more years all my guys will be retired and then I won't much give a fuck

Anonymous Anonymous August 22, 2017 6:29 AM  

No generals admirals etc support maga

They are promoted based on political reliability and that is counter to maga

Blogger Didactus James August 22, 2017 6:36 AM  

tonsplace wrote:There is one way to win the a-stan and a couple of ways to sort of win there

The way to win is to recognize that Islam is the problem in and of itself. Islam can be defeated with one thing, which is to remove the death penalty for apostasy.

Does someone want to leave Islam? Let them. If anyone does anything to them because they decided to become a Hindu or Christian or Atheist or whatever, reprisals are in order and it starts with the local imam and the family.

Then let the Christians send in their missionaries and defeat Islam on an intellectual and spiritual level. If anyone goes after them, reprisals are in order. If anyone goes after those who decide to leave Islam, reprisals. Lather, rinse and repeat.

The muslim terrorism cannot be defeated until Islam is defeated and Islam cannot be defeated on the ground amongst the common people until the death penalty for apostasy from Islam is forcibly taken off the table.

As far as the heroin production, that's a different story.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 22, 2017 7:15 AM  

If the dig at Pakistan is real then there goes that supply route.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 22, 2017 7:28 AM  

Personally all the conservatives, liberal meddlers, imperialists and MICs can go fight their stupid wars.

As CA wrote at WRSA in a query to what are our unifying principles, "Leave me the fuck alone."

I would add by any means necessary including drafting those scum from Ivies to send out to make the world safe for diverse butt sex or whatever they screech about.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 22, 2017 7:47 AM  

If Bush or Obama had fought the war this way, maybe it would have been "won," whatever that is. As it stands, this just means more needless death and expense and shows the high price of losing Steve Bannon.

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 22, 2017 7:54 AM  

I assume McMasters will remain in position until Afghanistan reaches some kind of conclusion. If Trump hands over the the things his Generals say they need to win and he cuts them loose, they'll either win or lose. If they lose, McMasters can fall on his sword with whoever was running the show in theater. Trump might be keeping him on board to have a pawn to sacrifice if necessary.

Also, recognize that Trump can't actually get what he wants done without working with people who have ties to the Deep State in the past. There just aren't enough clean hands, and in reality you want people who know what the common threads are and where bodies are buried to help you clean out the stables. If Trump is keeping McMasters around, he must have a good reason.

Trump is actually the first President in my lifetime that I actually feel comfortable giving him some measure of trust. He is a practical and competent man who has endured a lot for his supporters.

Blogger Johnny August 22, 2017 8:11 AM  

@74 tonsplace

If I could agree with you in general but not the particulars.

Running the military better would be helpful in that it would keep down our body count and the cost. But otherwise it is not really a solution. If massive force would fix things, between us and the Soviets things would have been fixed decades ago.

The core problem we have with this stuff is that we treat these other societies as though they are like us and they are not. The Afghans are inherently tribal, and what we denigrate by calling warlords are more sensibly called tribal leaders. As that is the native political structure, we should be dealing with them through that structure. The country can remain and we can continue to support the government, but simply realize that it is not all that important an institution in the hearts and minds of the local population.

Now by all accounts they are poor and like money. Hey, deal with the tribal leaders and if it works, buy them off. Way cheaper and easier than trying to kill them off, plus less morally distasteful. And the only goals should be modifying the things that are troublesome to us, and the problem we have with them is not with them. Islamic elements from other parts of Arabia moved into the country, took it over, and used it as a base for operations. All that was necessary for our security was to purge the country of those elements. Instead we went on the warpath generally and got into nation building, to our regret.

We need to stop imagining that they are a villain from some old James Bond movie who has global ambitions. They are tribal groups who are about as apt to fight each other and anybody else. Deal with them on their level and attempt to fix only those things that effect us.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 22, 2017 8:11 AM  

@41 The country has a trillion dollars in minerals in the ground.

Hey, man. If you can think of a better way to get gravel, I'd love to hear it.

Blogger Vikki Wilson August 22, 2017 8:14 AM  

It sounds as if the US is prepared to resume waging war when it's waging war.The India pill for Pakistan is hilarious and the appeal to Patriotism and peace within was great.

But never Islam always Terror, not Religion, but Ideology.

I do hope he pronounces some of these words in another speech.

Blogger Fred August 22, 2017 8:19 AM  

He is majoring on the minors and not keeping his core promises, at least so far. Getting rid of Bannon was the worst mistake he has made so far. I hope he survives not optimistic.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2017 8:22 AM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:Obama really did botch it with the historic power vacuum that he created by bugging out of Iraq. Look at the refugee invasion of Europe if you want proof.

Leaving Iraq did not cause the "refugee" crisis. Going into Libya and then creating/arming ISIS in order to take out Syria did that.

Blogger Ceasar August 22, 2017 8:25 AM  

This gives the generals and CIA what they want. Assuming larger control of drug crops to fund side projects and bank accounts. Cheaper than what the rest of the swamp would cost.

Blogger tuberman August 22, 2017 9:01 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Interesting that Trump is targeting Pakistan and attempting to engage India much more.

It's not unlikely that Pakistan is the Qatar of South Asia, essentially.

This is all about Pakistan, much more than Afghanistan, and it is much more about economic war than hot war. Any winning will be using economics.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 9:07 AM  

@63 Trump was the best the Republicans could field t

The Republicans didn't "field" Trump -- they fought him with all their might and all the Democratic money they could garner! They are STILL fighting him as hard as they can! (Were you in a cave somewhere for the whole campaign?!)

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 22, 2017 9:09 AM  

NO GOOGLES wrote:Trump is actually the first President in my lifetime that I actually feel comfortable giving him some measure of trust. He is a practical and competent man who has endured a lot for his supporters.


If your analysis of all this involves simplistic reading of the headlines and players, and you think it's all so obvious, let me introduce you to a concept:
---> Dunning-Kruger Effect

It no doubt applies to you.

The simplistic, "he's the prez, why can't he just do anything he wants to?", analysis is, well, simplistic, and enormously ignorant. The Beast that lives in D.C. (with tentacles reaching everywhere) is not simple.

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 9:23 AM  

@74 Not sure how you can define victory in the middle East, against moslems

I'm not generally fond of Bill Whittle, (way Way WAY too cucky for me!) but in a 2012 talk he suggested that: for every IED found to be definitively traceable to (don't remember: Iran? Iraq? who cares?) ... that harms a U.S. soldier, then whichever country it was loses an installation. We could do that, we could do that easily, and he specifically 'reminds' the ME/moslem generals that that list includes Command HQ.

So, how about for every jihadi attack, we end a jihadi training camp, or a tent-barracks, or a Pakistani military college (!!), or other jihadi-linked installation. Yes, we'd break some non-jihadi eggs, but we're doing that by the double-handful now! (Always bothers me how EVERY SINGLE person shot dead by our guys IS ALWAYS an enemy. Well, until it leaks out that he was a foreign journalist or doctor. Don't know how to balance that, other than by getting the hell OUT of their countries!)

The "moderates" will not, do not, and cannot stop the radicals -- but with the threat of 'collateral damage'; perhaps they will stop supporting and hiding them!

Yes, this affects the 4GW "moral" level -- but is there no way to skirt that? If moslems have a 'revenge' concept (which they do); why can WE not take advantage of it?

(Okay, I'll admit; I thinking fondly -- and blood-thirstily -- of a nuke during the haj. Glass it and be done! Or at least THREATEN to glass it if they don't all quit and go-the-hell-home! And the turn-about is: WE will also go home and leave them to their deserts and desires. NOT our problem!)

Anonymous Avalanche August 22, 2017 9:35 AM  

@84 Getting rid of Bannon was the worst mistake he has made so far.

So many folks are reporting, crowing, or decrying that Darth Bannon has been "fired, gotten rid of, dumped," etc. Sorry, from over here it looks like Bannon got some in-depth, in-house "training" in targets and target relationships and had been studying the map to the infrastructure that lets them run this American game. He's been given his Very-Special-Force mission briefings, and 'dropped in country.'

At least, I really, really hope so -- and I'm TRUSTING the God Emperor to do something as brilliant and likely as that gives me hope! Either you TRUST the President (and Bannon) -- or you're forgetting all Trump has done so far!

Go Bannon go!

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner August 22, 2017 9:44 AM  

My personal opinion of what to do in Afghanistan is leave & or turn it to glass. China & Russia know how to deal with moslems, but if we want to deal with moslems we have to shoot the traitors on our side that support them first. Right now China is getting rare earths out of there & US is providing security, China would pacify the region to get raw materials.

Even if they were not moslems the people would be incompatible with western civilization.

Steelpalm's book review explains this better than a 10k word essay at TWCS

. SteelPalm August 15, 2017 3:29 PM An interesting excerpt, but I have one quibble with it.

Reading Outlaw Platoon by Lt. Sean Parnell, the US troops there tried very hard to win that moral level of war, especially with the local Afghani villagers. This was in contrast with the Al Qaeda affiliates, who would rape and torture their little boys.

Surely, they had won the moral level? Well, no. At a key point, the Afghani villagers didn't warn the US troops of a landmine they saw being planted the night before. On the contrary, they came out to enjoy the show.

Which indicates that morally a domestic Muslim jihadi, no matter how much he may rape and torture their little children, is STILL preferable to a foreign infidel who gives them food and medical supplies.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 22, 2017 9:50 AM  

@81: "Now by all accounts they are poor and like money. Hey, deal with the tribal leaders and if it works, buy them off."

I've long thought that one bet we missed was hiring both the Afghans and Iraqis as mercenary troops. Use the Afghans to keep the peace in Iraq, Iraqis to keep peace in Afghanistan. If nothing else, it keeps the young men of military age occupied.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 22, 2017 10:08 AM  

Warming things back up with India is a good idea.

They appear to view themselves as the Brown members of Anglosphere and in truth they seem to have more reverence for their former Queen than Her current subjects do.

Obama gave them the cold shoulder due to his Muslim thing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't Obama is covertly devout. In truth I'm certain he's an atheist.

But I strongly suspect he secretly identifies as a Muslim.

Remember, he started calling himself "Barrack" as opposed to "Barry" after his walk about in Pakistan when he was twenty.

Of course he disliked the Indians.

Blogger Flair1239 August 22, 2017 10:13 AM  

There is a reason why God in the Old Testament was a staunch supporter of genocide.

Say we do "kill the terrorists" to the extent that we finally feel comfortable leaving. Does anyone really believe that the Afghani government will suppress extremism or are not simply extremists themselves?

The whole society over there is the problem. Islam is extreme and radical. It can't be negotiated with and it will not stop. There will always be some shit hole in the Middle East or Africa that will be incubating jihadis.

We are wasting time. We should be sealing our borders and vetting those we choose to let in. We should be investing heavily in missle defense.

The alternative is mass genocide. Which we are not willing to do, and probably is not even feasible. But we will never achieve what we think of as stability in the ME and Africa. It runs contrary to history and to Islam.

Blogger JohnG August 22, 2017 10:35 AM  

Currently we're in a Force Protection status while some of our guys "train" their hash addict soldiers. What that means is that we can only kill a bad guy if the commander can make a case that said bad guy is a direct threat to a US facility or some element of GIROA. Our guys, including SOF are stuck on the FOBs and COPs until a kinetic OP is approved (so they work out 3xday, eat lots of food, surf Porn Hub with VPNs). Ultimately, a few thousand extra guys stuck on FOBs isn't going to do anything - the Taliban, HQN, HIG senior leadership never leaves Pakistan, and hides in Palestinian style refugee camps and Madrassas (which we A) won't bomb and B) won't bomb because they're in Pakistan). Killing some low to mid level nugs working on the Afghan side doesn't do much, they just promote a lackey to do his job. To make matters worse, the Paki ISI trains, funds and arms these group, even have training camps within a rifle shot of AF/PAK border - and we don't say or do anything about it. Pakistan's foreign policy is to keep Afghanistan destabilized so it won't become an ally of India. We could have taken care of most of our problems there with one or two JDAMs years ago (or any year), the bad guys have an annual planning meeting in Quetta Pakistan to plan the war for the year, and we always know where, and when it is. It's a total clusterf*ck, to make any headway, we'd have to take the war into Pakistan.

Blogger pnq8787 August 22, 2017 11:06 AM  

I appreciate what Trump said about no more nation building and no more trying to make other countries in the image of the U.S. However, I didn't hear anything that makes me optimistic about ending the U.S. military presence there. Nor did I hear anything that makes me think that the overall outcome is going to be any different.

I suppose there is a slim chance that changing the rules of engagement and working with neighboring countries differently behind the scenes could change things, but it seems unlikely to me. That would imply that the U.S. hasn't actually been trying these past 16 years. There are global realities that don't just change based on America's mood. That, plus a change of the rules of engagement doesn't change the fact that the American people are softies that can't stand to see civilian deaths on the TV or computer screen.

Fact is, the U.S. is stuck. Any country that denies reality is stuck. We keep saying Diversity is our Strength. We keep acting like Racism is the greatest evil on the planet (it's not). The fact is that the U.S. needs to be Racist to protect itself. Until that day, we will keep chasing our own tails. As a country, the U.S. is going insane.

Anonymous BBGKB August 22, 2017 11:23 AM  

"the west/US keeps meddling in our affairs so you have no right to criticize when our jihadis strike back.

If that's the case we need to be striking back like he jihadis do, we will send Anderson Cooper, Barney Frank, and Podesta over there to rape their kids.

We need to stop imagining that they are a villain from some old James Bond movie who has global ambitions.

Islam is 90IQ imams & totally illiterate followers. If not for oil no moslem nation would have running water. 1st gen moslem immigrants know this, the problem is all the effort thrown at making 3dworlders able to partially read in western nations has them reading the koran. That 90IQ imam would have left out the parts that would make his locality ungovernable.

Leaving Iraq did not cause the "refugee" crisis. Going into Libya and then creating/arming ISIS in order to take out Syria

Since 911 shitlibs have said that if only there were a few 50IQ moslem jaintors at the world trade centers moslems wouldn't have attacked it. We have a refusegee problem before Libya, Breivik understood you don't shoot the water coming into the boat but those drilling holes in the hull.

The alternative is mass genocide. Which we are not willing to do, and probably is not even feasible

That's why I say let China do it, they are willing to eat live donkey, so why not kebab??

Blogger blucrossbreeder August 22, 2017 12:03 PM  

Lets see, You want us to stay in Afghanistan, 1/3 of the reason is because of 9/11 ? Do you NOT remember 13 or 15 out of 17 of the hijacking terrorist were from Saudi Arabia !
I said Saudi Arabia, where the woman MUST wear hijabs and are forbidden to drive!

Anonymous Pennywise August 22, 2017 2:01 PM  

"However, I didn't hear anything that makes me optimistic about ending the U.S. military presence there. Nor did I hear anything that makes me think that the overall outcome is going to be any different."

Exactly. Trump is continuing the Neo-con stoogery. There is no hands off on the military, nor are they any more excuses to make.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2017 3:13 PM  

"We have a refusegee problem before Libya"

Killing Gaddafi is what opened the floodgates. We have seen in recent years.

"send Anderson Cooper, Barney Frank, and Podesta over there"

Sounds like a plan. We should send every sodomite over there. Flying lessons off the 10th floor cures faggotry.

Anonymous Clouseau August 22, 2017 4:05 PM  

Sorry if this is a repeat or I posted it to a wrong thread.

Pull all the JAGs out of Afghanistan. If anybody needs a court martial let their commanding officer send them back to the US for one. Everybody arriving in country shall have the ROE explained to them by a field grade officer upon arrival. Refresher training on the ROE shall be given at 6 month intervals. Any officer who abuses any troops with any other ROE training more frequently than once every six months shall be immediately returned to the US and permanently be filed as unfit for any other field assignment or promotion. Stop the ROE abuse of our troops.

Likewise, every village found to be harboring even one Taliban or other known jihadi type shall be eradicated. Blow the whistle and drop leaflets to give the locals 15 minutes to evacuate. Then level every building there to rubble and drop long-persistence broad-spectrum herbicides on the whole area within a radius of 10 miles (the modern equivalent of salting the earth). Make the entire area uninhabitable for farming (i.e. opium production) for at least a year. Inform all villages that this is the New Way and show all local leaders before and after pictures of example villages of where this has been done. Make every Taliban and other jihadi an absolute pariah to the locals.

Anonymous Killua August 22, 2017 4:42 PM  

@15. "Sometimes you have to make a decision, and every option is bad."

"Life is a series of choices between bad and worse." —Toshiro Umezawa. MTG

The biggest threat to humanity right now is the prospect of crazy terrorist getting their hands on nukes. Scary stuff.

Anonymous Anonymous August 22, 2017 5:48 PM  

I didn't post my ideal solution.

I think better management of the hajji kill boxes is about the best we can get given the current domestic political environment. Better managed in cost of lives, limbs and dollars bills

The kill boxes have been effective, but way to costly becuase they had to be sold as nation building, setting hajjis free, making those places safe for girls and women etc etc

Can't really fix unless you fix the state department and forgein policy 1st but I am not sure those can be fixed with democracy, universal suffrage and what not being the law of the land


Anonymous Anonymous August 22, 2017 5:54 PM  

By that I mean I don't necessarily disagree with those who disagreed with what I posted. There are better options but I don't think they possible right now or any time soon

Blogger CynicalMan August 22, 2017 7:42 PM  

In my opinion there is only one strategy for victory in today's world. If it is necessary to invade a country then absolutely destroy the acting government and their military if need be. Then get the hell out letting everyone know that if necessary you will return and do it all over again. There can be no nation building, there can be no humanitarian efforts and there can be no more lingering wars.

Blogger Alexandros August 22, 2017 9:51 PM  

CynicalMan wrote:In my opinion there is only one strategy for victory in today's world. If it is necessary to invade a country then absolutely destroy the acting government and their military if need be. Then get the hell out letting everyone know that if necessary you will return and do it all over again. There can be no nation building, there can be no humanitarian efforts and there can be no more lingering wars.

No, that makes too much sense. Gotta go forever war forever or else no more shekels for poor starving politicians.

Anonymous Anonymous August 22, 2017 10:05 PM  

I would prefer peace or extermination of the other guy.

I would also be ok with some sort of exchange rate... you kill a White man, we kill 10,000 of you at random plus your family sort of thing but soldiers don't call the shots and most folks don't understand the brutal reality of tribal conflict.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 22, 2017 10:55 PM  

Sharrukin wrote:Guys like Assad are secular dictators who do what you suggest, and we keep trying to overthrow them in favor of 'traditional Islamic' movements like ISIS.
What do you mean, "we"?  Nobody voted to overthrow Assad; it's a neocon thing.

the Taliban are basically the Pathans and we aren't going to form any stable Afhani government without them.
We could get serious and wipe out any settlement, from city-sized to clan compound, which supports the Taliban.  Just depopulate those areas by whatever means (the quieter the better).  Let Hindus and Buddhists take it back.  Let Pakistan fume.

Anonymous TheRealSolutionisUnacceptable August 23, 2017 8:58 AM  

Just take out ALL of the poppy fields and keep taking them out whenever they are planted. That will change everything.

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