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Wednesday, September 20, 2017

Alt-Tech overview

One year on, Cheah Kai Wai reviews the current state of Alt-Tech:
Last year, the Alt-Tech promised a revolution. These platforms aimed to disrupt and replace the legacy platforms, placing the rights and freedoms of users first. One year on, how well did they fare?

Infogalactic

Infogalactic is an unqualified success story. Beginning as a dynamic hard fork of Wikipedia, it strives to be more objective and informative than its predecessor. In line with its Seven Canons, Infogalactic maintains a strict non-ideological position for all facts -- but in the future, it will introduce Context and Opinion levels to its pages, allowing greater depth of content.

Every time I compared an Infogalactic page to Wikipedia, I found the former to be more informative and accurate. The only major knock against Infogalactic is its load time, and even that is improving by the day. In the beginning, it took long minutes to load a single page. Today, it is only slightly slower than Wikipedia.

I use Infogalactic exclusively these days. Wikipedia's explicit left-wing bias means it is no longer a neutral source of information. Infogalactic has demonstrated itself to be a viable and sustainable alternative to Wikipedia, and in the long term I suspect the disruption and replacement of Wikipedia is inevitable.

Gab

Gab was supposed to be the Twitter killer. A platform dedicated to free speech, it has survived allegations and lies about it being the haven of the Alt-Right and Neo-Nazis. Apple and Google have repeatedly prevented Gab from publishing its app on the iTunes Store and Google Play Store respectively for spurious reasons. Gab brands itself as a proponent of free speech -- but that is also its undoing.

Gab's key weakness is its inability or unwillingness to moderate posts. While it is unwaveringly committed to free speech, freedom is not and cannot be unlimited. As the old adage goes, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. Harmful speech -- speech that incites violence or compromises the privacy and safety of individuals -- is not protected speech. Gab must be able to moderate harmful content to preserve the continued health and safety of its users, and it has failed the test....

These controversies expose Gab's core weakness. As Gab refused to moderate harmful speech, Gab users have no choice but to lodge complaints with the domain registrar, who will inevitably respond by ordering Gab off its platform. Like the Daily Stormer, I foresee Gab migrating from registrar to registrar, virtually guaranteeing disruption of services. Alternatively, these users may turn to the police and the courts instead, which will invite another round of troubles.

Free speech ends where harm begins. Incitement to violence, exposure of confidential information, and lying about someone to smear his reputation counts as harm. If Gab will not handle harmful speech in-house, other parties will. To Gab's detriment. I, for one, cannot in good conscience continue to recommend anyone to use Gab until they fix this oversight, if ever.
Ironically, the fevered assaults by the Daily Stormpoopers and other Gab enthusiasts on me appear to have borne some unexpected fruit. After I reported about 20 or 30 attack tweets to Twitter, in addition to banning and suspending a few of the responsible accounts, Twitter has restored full link access to Vox Popoli using the .com extension after more than 18 months of blocking it.

Enemy of my enemy and all that, I suppose. Go figure.

I will also say that my experience of Brave has been considerably more positive than Cheah's. But regardless, I am very pleased to know that Infogalactic is working so well for its users, even in Phase One.

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90 Comments:

Blogger DAMN SON September 20, 2017 1:17 PM  

Twitter might be failing, but gab is fragile. If gab were ever to become a serious market contender, all Twitter would have to do is stop censoring and gab is dead in the water instantly. When your sole selling point is "we're like the other guy but we dont do X", all you do is tell the other guy what he needs to do to win.

Blogger Jeffrey Quick September 20, 2017 1:27 PM  

The expanded character count in Gab isn't nothing. But it's also something Twitter could implement.

Blogger Sonya Mann September 20, 2017 1:29 PM  

Nah, they probably restored access because I asked Twitter PR about it. (I'm a tech reporter at Inc. Not a fan, but interested in alt-tech.)

Blogger Justin Bailey September 20, 2017 1:35 PM  

I see people complaining about Wikipedia editing, censoring, or just plain removing content and tell them about Infogalactic. Sadly, most people would rather fight over a lost cause than just port the info over.

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 1:40 PM  

Nah, they probably restored access because I asked Twitter PR about it.

In that case, thank you.

Anonymous Reenay September 20, 2017 1:40 PM  

all Twitter would have to do is stop censoring and gab is dead in the water instantly.
I highly doubt Twitter would just stop censoring. Frog and scorpion. If they were in it for the money, they wouldn't have begun censoring in the first place.

Anonymous Neverborn September 20, 2017 1:41 PM  

Interestingly, Infogalactic is less popular, both in the US and Worldwide than Voxday.blogspot.com.

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 1:41 PM  

I'm a tech reporter at Inc. Not a fan, but interested in alt-tech.

Touch base in six months. We'll have some very interesting news for you.

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 1:43 PM  

Interestingly, Infogalactic is less popular, both in the US and Worldwide than Voxday.blogspot.com.

First, don't trust Alexa. It's a bogus metric.

Second, we are making no attempt whatsoever to acquire more users until Phase Two.

Blogger RobertT September 20, 2017 1:49 PM  

Brave is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. Numerous issues nobody has time for. Too bad.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones September 20, 2017 1:52 PM  

Ever since Charlottesville, I've noticed an increasing number of sites are breaking for Brave. Netflix was the biggest and most obvious one. When I say breaking, I mean mysterious errors, pages refusing to load, etc. I like Brave, and use it every day.

Anonymous Heywood September 20, 2017 1:59 PM  

Brave works fine for me, although I dislike the way it handles it IRL bar suggestions.

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 20, 2017 2:00 PM  

"Free speech ends where harm begins."

Unfortunately, there is no universal definition of "harm". It used to be "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never harm me". Now it's "triggered!", with everything in between.

Blogger Orville September 20, 2017 2:06 PM  

I always start with Brave, but often wind up using Pale Moon or Chrome for some sites. I agree that Brave isn't quite there yet.

Anonymous Toronada September 20, 2017 2:10 PM  

When Brave works, it works very well. Netflix no longer plays videos on Brave. It would be nice if there was Flash, for some of the older video games I like. And I agree, the URL bar handling is a bit whacky. And no obvious way to customize it. If I could at least put my own shortcuts in, an delete others, wouldn't be so bad. When I type "vox", it puts in voxday.com, instead of voxday.blogspot.ca. Even though I have NEVER gone to voxday.com and have no interest in it. Also, when I type a website, say, "youtube" it switches tabs to an open youtube link, instead of making the default case be to take me to youtube.com. When I type vox, I don't want to go to voxday.blogspot.com/latest-article-ive-read, I want it to go to the top level so I can see if there are new articles.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 2:12 PM  

"Free Speech" is an analog to Soros' "Open Society."

The mob that raises the loudest racket wins. The grand prize is to be remembered as the last signer of a suicide pact.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones September 20, 2017 2:13 PM  

What would really help Brave is some "code scouts". There are a lot of us with extensive programming experience, but we don't have a lot of time to dive in and learn the Brave codebase. We might have a pretty good idea what we want to do and roughly how it will work, but we need a "scout" to guide us through the code base, where is this information stored, how is this or that thing done, then with a small amount of scout-work, regular programmers (by which I mean open sources with 5-20 years of experience) should be able to do our fixes and features pretty quickly.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones September 20, 2017 2:16 PM  

When I talk about Netflix not working, I mean, it isn't Brave's fault. Netflix has a set of "allowed" browsers, including Chrome, Safari, and IE. And if you aren't using one of those, tough luck. Even if the browser would otherwise work on the site. And other sites are doing this too, it is like the old days when Micro$oft was pushing Internet Explorer so hard.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 20, 2017 2:17 PM  

Reenay wrote:If they were in it for the money, they wouldn't have begun censoring in the first place.
The question is which money they are in it for.
Censorship hurts the ad revenue, but the play is for the investor money, and the Twitter management thinks that money will be more accessible if they censor.
Stock pumping is a real thing, and most of Silicon Valley is managed to maximize the potential stock price, not revenue.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 20, 2017 2:21 PM  

If I'm searching for something it's usually infogalactic first. I don't mind the little bit of slowness loading. My only issue is sometimes I need a picture. Is there a provision for linking infogalactic to a search engine?

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 20, 2017 2:23 PM  

Wikipedia's explicit left-wing bias means it is no longer a neutral source of information."

"Is no longer"?

Never was!

Blogger Raben Wulf September 20, 2017 2:24 PM  

Brave has been a great experience so far, at least on an android tablet and desktop computer. It did not like my Microsoft Surface tablet however.

On the GAB free speech issue, I am still of mixed opinion on the subject of "incitement to violence". The terms are ill defined, but at the same time incitement of violence might even be a rational recourse. For example, If I see a bunch of muslim men going around a neighborhood killing or torturing the local dogs (because they are considered unclean in Islam), I would naturally want to call for the same treatment to be done upon those men. I wonder of the line is drawn where cultural/national values are, what is within those values and what is in opposition to them. Other instances can include... being invaded by a foreign power. If you call for violence or a physical unified response to those invading, should the social media platform censor that content? If China invaded Taiwan, should social media platforms remove Taiwanese people calling for resistance and repelling the invading force? Violence isnt always an ideal solution, but it still is one, thus law enforcement must always be ready to use it.

In the US we have a 2nd amendment for a reason. The right to form a militia, the right to be armed. It's not so we can just sit around and sing peace songs.

Thus the "incitement to violence" category seems a bit... overly broad, or at least via critical thought, not necessarily the absolute evil its made out to be. The conditions (and what it is a response to) are perhaps more important, thus the mixed mind status regarding it.

Blogger Peter Jackson September 20, 2017 2:25 PM  

Gab's key weakness is its inability or unwillingness to moderate posts.

So what you want is a free platform with millions of users, with paid moderators. Good luck making any money with that venture.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 20, 2017 2:25 PM  

I forgot to add the news part is very good. It would be great if there was more news.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 20, 2017 2:28 PM  

Do any of those platforms make money other than adsense? Isn't most internet money speculation?

Anonymous CPEG September 20, 2017 2:31 PM  

I've had a few minor issues with Brave, enough that I have to switch to another browser on occasion. For some reason it won't open mail.com emails, for instance. I never bothered to submit any bug reports though; I should start doing that.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 2:32 PM  

Wait. Some guy has gone full-time on Steemit? As in, getting paid in upvotes? For a salary?

That's interesting.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 20, 2017 2:35 PM  

Brave 95% of my use Safari 5% on my Mac

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 2:36 PM  

So what you want is a free platform with millions of users, with paid moderators. Good luck making any money with that venture.

Go back to Wikipedia's $75 million annually-funded crappy dictionary and look up straw man argument.

OpenID aew51183 September 20, 2017 2:48 PM  

>"While it is unwaveringly committed to free speech, freedom is not and cannot be unlimited."

aaand that's where they lost me.
You either beleive in freedom of speech or you don't.
If what they're saying is illegal, get a court order.
If what they're saying is a civil violation, sue the poster.
Do not attack the platform or demand pro-active censorship because of fee-fees.

Blogger artensoll September 20, 2017 2:50 PM  

Yesterday an Infogalactic link was listed in a google search I did. First time I've seen that happen. It was halfway down the page, but still.

Blogger Astrosmith September 20, 2017 2:50 PM  

It would certainly help if some of your friends like Milo or Cernovich would drop a mention of Infogalactic when they appear on various radio and TV shows. I'm especially frustrated that Cernovich hasn't done this, given that he has been on Infowars discussing Alt-Tech.

Blogger Peter Jackson September 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

Go back to Wikipedia's $75 million annually-funded crappy dictionary and look up straw man argument.

Wikipedia is non-profit. So thanks for helping make my point.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 2:55 PM  

What part of "Second, we are making no attempt whatsoever to acquire more users until Phase Two." doesn't make sense to you?

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 2:56 PM  

Wikipedia is non-profit. So thanks for helping make my point.

Get your head out of the pencil-sharpener, oh wise straw man specialist.

Blogger Koanic September 20, 2017 2:57 PM  

It's that mysterious Nazi ability to unite the whole world against them.

"Maybe it's Hitler. Maybe it's Mengele!"

Blogger SirHamster September 20, 2017 3:02 PM  

I stayed on Gab to keep an eye on where it's going.

They just added an expanded reporting feature with categories, going in the direction that Vox has suggested.
https://gab.ai/gab/posts/12388597

Amusingly, some #AltRetard accounts have disappeared, probably self deleted. Andrew Anglin is bugging off Gab because of the @weev ban. If that discourages the Nazi shitposters, that improves Gab's brand.

Blogger Justin Bailey September 20, 2017 3:02 PM  

I stopped using Brave because I had to maximize the window every time I opened it. I'll try again in 6-12 months.

As far as Gab goes, it doesn't seem it will be much more than a cult of personality for Torba. If he doesn't like you, anything goes. If he gets in trouble, he removes things and acts like it was never allowed. Oh well.

Anonymous burgmeister September 20, 2017 3:04 PM  

AltTech will start to take off when DNS is name-based ( e.g. NameCoin) and 1-2 major browsers support its name resokution directly ( bypassing DNS gateways, etc)

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 3:08 PM  

You either beleive in freedom of speech or you don't.

Which type?

If what they're saying is illegal, get a court order.
If what they're saying is a civil violation, sue the poster.
Do not attack the platform or demand pro-active censorship because of fee-fees.


It's a LOT less expensive to complain to their registrar than get a court order. And much faster too.

Anonymous CPEG September 20, 2017 3:08 PM  

"aaand that's where they lost me.
You either beleive in freedom of speech or you don't.
If what they're saying is illegal, get a court order.
If what they're saying is a civil violation, sue the poster.
Do not attack the platform or demand pro-active censorship because of fee-fees."

The entire problem is that if they don't take the initiative to pro-actively moderate for illegal content, either the registrar, or a lawsuit, will.

Blogger Mercy September 20, 2017 3:09 PM  

I stopped using Brave because I had to maximize the window every time I opened it.
That was annoying, but it's not a problem for me now. You may want to try it again.

Anonymous burgmeister September 20, 2017 3:10 PM  

Blockchain-based, not name-based, that is.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones September 20, 2017 3:12 PM  

@burgmeister thank you, looking at that now. NameCoin might be the missing piece we've all been waiting for. If the problems with Brave being locked out by major websites can be fixed, Brave could be the first big browser to support NameCoin natively.

Blogger Lovekraft September 20, 2017 3:25 PM  

What is going to kill alttech is fame whoring and greed and the desire or need for new and exciting. Yes, the old become irrelevant and the next generation are the ones with the money, but anytime faith and focus is skewered too much, without a healthy balance, it will show in quality and endurance (youth are fickle and disloyal).

A perfect example is the bickering, childish taking of shots unnecessarily, etc.

Yes, yes, here comes the 'thanks grandpa' but what I am talking about is restrained and appropriate jabs when needed, rather than what we've seen online in places where moderation is biased or nonexistant (they eventually become garbage).

Blogger SmockMan September 20, 2017 3:25 PM  

I always have these annoying problems with Brave, but I am using it for 99% of browsing on my desktop now. It does not work with bitchute yet, either.

OpenID aew51183 September 20, 2017 3:25 PM  

>"It's a LOT less expensive to complain to their registrar than get a court order. And much faster too."

They chose the wrong registrar, and if there is no "right" registrar they should open their own.

If you don't believe in free speech you don't believe in free speech, but don't expect 4chan to follow you down that rabbit hole.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 20, 2017 3:29 PM  

@artensoll

Because the WikiMedia Engine's Search Feature is so insanely bad (if you've ever seen a fairly vanilla copy with like 10 entries... it normally can't find half of them), I've taken to actually doing my searches on Infogalactic by using DDG to search "topic + Infogalactic". Puts the link at the top!

(This problem is wholly from the WikiMedia side of things and is one of the things that'll be fixed, in time, with Don't Panic. So this isn't a complaint, just a point.)


@aew51183

Gab was hosting Criminal Defamation, per Australian Law. Utopian Idealist "Free Speech" isn't a thing. It's a fantasy designed to screw with people's minds.


As for Brave, I use the Mobile version more than the Desktop version right now. Brave needs more polish before I move over to it more heavily on Desktop.

Blogger Unknown September 20, 2017 3:36 PM  

Looks like Gab is getting its acts together though. now you can report doxing apparently.

OpenID aew51183 September 20, 2017 3:41 PM  

>"The entire problem is that if they don't take the initiative to pro-actively moderate for illegal content, either the registrar, or a lawsuit, will."

And CDA section 230 means they're 100% not liable so long as they comply with any court ordered removal.

Welcome to due process.

>"Gab was hosting Criminal Defamation, per Australian Law"

Note the keyword: Australian. Gab is a US company. If anything, this is a big red flag to avoid Australian registrars.

>"Utopian Idealist "Free Speech" isn't a thing."

Except it is a thing, always has been. The McCarthyite censorship we're seeing now from the left is new, and has already prompted new entrants to come into the markets. There are already "alt-tech" registrars.

Blogger Lovekraft September 20, 2017 3:56 PM  

@aew51183:

4Chan has, to me, some type of reputation that you don't want to mess with. You really don't. I imagine an army of shitlords using a bullhorn beside your bed screaming profanities.

This is a good thing and a bad thing. Anonymity keeps free speech alive and anything pushing back against exposing this (hacking the politician's sordid 'transgressions' as leverage, for example) is good, but what do you think are the downsides to this (hiding behind free speech principles for nefarious aims).

OpenID aew51183 September 20, 2017 4:00 PM  

@lovekraft

>"hiding behind free speech principles for nefarious aims"

This is an Orwellian and spurious statement.
You either pose counter-arguments and win the debate or you didn't have a leg to stand on in the first place.

I'm of the opinion that VD's approach is good in that it forces gab to harden their defenses, but if this is honestly his stance on speech, any aggressive pursuit of this will eventually bring him to loggerheads with the chans, and we all know the public records of the various wars waged with the chans.

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2017 4:02 PM  

"I'm of the opinion that VD's approach is good in that it forces gab to harden their defenses, but if this is honestly his stance on speech, any aggressive pursuit of this will eventually bring him to loggerheads with the chans, and we all know the public records of the various wars waged with the chans."

Alternatively, there's the possibility that non-idiots can accept minor differences in political opinions and preferences.

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 4:06 PM  

I'm of the opinion that VD's approach is good in that it forces gab to harden their defenses, but if this is honestly his stance on speech, any aggressive pursuit of this will eventually bring him to loggerheads with the chans, and we all know the public records of the various wars waged with the chans.

This has been my position on speech for 14 years of this blog. It has never brought me into any conflict with the chans. Nor is it likely to do so in the future.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 20, 2017 4:23 PM  

aew51183 wrote:If you don't believe in free speech you don't believe in free speech, but don't expect 4chan to follow you down that rabbit hole.
Lol. You ain't 4-chan, your a fagget.

Anonymous Nick September 20, 2017 4:25 PM  

For the life of me I can't migrate my Safari bookmarks into Brave. I've tried both methods offered to no avail. I'm not going to manually transfer hundreds of organized bookmarks. I'll try again sometime soon.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 20, 2017 4:29 PM  

aew51183 wrote:we all know the public records of the various wars waged with the chans.
/pol/ is not your personal army.

Blogger tuberman September 20, 2017 4:30 PM  

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Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 4:32 PM  

When did 4-chan hire a spokeswoman? tits or GTFO.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 4:36 PM  

tuberman wrote:Unmonitored sites always go to total crap, every. damn.time.

The crap weasels will push everyone else out by shear obnoxious, "This is our territory, and you ain't welcome here," attitude. There will be no useful, interesting, or even funny communication going on after a short while, as the crap weasels will force everything out except for some insider narratives -- like AA's coloring book, "The Joos did everything!" There may be a couple of other insider groups, but they will be equally as stupid.


Yep. Gab's timeline went from wild to #AltRetard in about 24 hours once Torba doormatted for mythical "muh frei-sprechen" principles. My only question is if he's cooled down at all to start actually strategizing, or if he's just a big flaming marketer.

Blogger Justin Bailey September 20, 2017 4:37 PM  

I’ve been following the Gab stuff on Twitter and the most interesting thing to me is the insistence that Vox owes loyalty to Gab instead of “attacking” them and just let everything slide for the sake of “the movement”. I’m not sure who in their right mind would be loyal to someone you supported for over a year, then publicly attacks you rather than privately speaking. Also who would let criminal activity slide for the sake of keeping up appearances? It’s a very strange argument. If these are the things alt tech needs to survive, it doesn’t deserve to.

OpenID franklinfreek September 20, 2017 4:42 PM  

Brave doesn't have to work with all websites. It only needs to work with alt-tech or neutral websites.

If you are browsing converged and alt-tech websites on the same browser you are taking a risk in being outed by SJW at some point. You should only do this if you are anti-fragile. Brave's anti-tracking tech is good, but it is not perfect and just like Tor, the use of Brave marks you as not-a-normie.

Use Brave for alt-tech, other browsers for 'normie' websites.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 20, 2017 4:50 PM  

Did people get the idea somewhere that the chans don't have moderation?

Anonymous c matt September 20, 2017 4:59 PM  

I do try to us brave, but it still has glitches loading some pages

Blogger Lovekraft September 20, 2017 5:02 PM  

@Aew51183: "You either pose counter-arguments and win the debate"

Half-truths seem to be the rule of the land these days. No. We are not talking about crying (as your side puts it) when we are met with opposing arguments.

We recognize that we are dealing with someone who cannot debate honestly and instead choose to, well, act like the typical SJW.

Blogger Lovekraft September 20, 2017 5:03 PM  

Wish there was a comment edit function.

What my last sentence should make clear is we are aware of SJW tactics and place firm conditions on debate.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2017 5:07 PM  

Hmm, from Gab:

Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin
8 hours
I'll still post site status updates if needed.

But it looks now like .is is going to hold.

I wish Torba the best, but I've already put a lot of energy into this site when I should have been working on my own site and forum.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2017 5:07 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Did people get the idea somewhere that the chans don't have moderation?

Yes. Because "profits" or something. You can go to 4chan and read plenty of coherent, unspammed, moderated activity.

You can't even follow @a on Gab and find a moderate comment. They zigged right into a myth of their own making. As far as I can tell, they haven't even begun to wake up to the reality of the missteps, even though it is right there on the front page of public gab for the unregistered prospects.

@a's personal gab posts are now at the head of nearly half the unregistered splash-page news stories. There are posts there by a tiny handful of long-time users. There are empty posts from former long-time users who have apparently cancelled their accounts. This is all before a newcomer registers! Imagine their relief when they log-in for the first time to a thousand goosestepping memes from the remaining stormpoopers.

If a professional shit-show had an open mic night, it would be gab right now.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 20, 2017 5:26 PM  

The window for Gab to completely replace Twitter has been closed but the site can still serve a useful purpose. We'll probably see something along the lines of the 4chan 8chan model.

Blogger Eric Mueller September 20, 2017 5:27 PM  

I've tried Brave off and on since it first came out. It finally reached a point where I've been using it as my main browser for a little over a week. I still have to keep Chrome around for a few things. All my YouTube alerts are delivered through Chrome. But even writing this post, I had to switch to Chrome, because Brave doesn't allow me the option to be notified of new comments. I may just have to go back to Chrome again until Brave gets a few more updates.

I haven't gotten around to cancelling my Gab account yet, but it was definitely more fun before the meltdown. Now it's depressing.

Blogger artensoll September 20, 2017 5:42 PM  

Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin
8 hours
I'll still post site status updates if needed.

But it looks now like .is is going to hold.
"I wish Torba the best, but I've already put a lot of energy into this site when I should have been working on my own site and forum."

Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin
Okay.

I'm gonna take a break from Gab.

No big dramatic exit, just feel the magic is gone, and I don't want to spend more energy building up a presence here when I don't know if I'll get banned.


The magic is gone? Is AA gaslighting @a?

Anonymous Cassie September 20, 2017 5:54 PM  

"If what they're saying is illegal, get a court order.
If what they're saying is a civil violation, sue the poster."

In other words, only those who can afford to pay the courts get to police everyone's speech. Gee, I'm sure there's no obvious problems with that!

Blogger Astrosmith September 20, 2017 5:59 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:What part of "Second, we are making no attempt whatsoever to acquire more users until Phase Two." doesn't make sense to you?

I had not read that comment from Vox yet when I posted. I understand the strategy, in that IG Phase 1 isn't the final product, but that doesn't stop Cernovich from mentioning it on Infowars unless Vox asked him not to. The site is live, after all.

Blogger Koanic September 20, 2017 7:30 PM  

Torba is Gabbing about Dox Guy, and revealing his interpretation of the whole saga by regabbing @iskandrian's take.

https://gab.ai/a/posts/12401366

Blogger Cail Corishev September 20, 2017 7:48 PM  

"I'm gonna take a break from Gab.
No big dramatic exit, just feel the magic is gone,"


Yeah, there's no drama in "the magic is gone." You can almost hear the portentous soundtrack.

You know how you leave a place when you don't want to make a big dramatic exit? You just leave.

Blogger Daniel September 20, 2017 8:30 PM  

Same here

Blogger VD September 20, 2017 8:31 PM  

Torba is Gabbing about Dox Guy

He thinks posturing and proclaiming magic words is somehow going to alter reality. But it isn't. He doesn't seem to understand that this isn't marketing or a popularity contest, but a relatively straightforward legal situation.

As I said, not ready for prime time.

Blogger Daniel September 20, 2017 8:33 PM  

The windows not maximied is annoying

Blogger Daniel September 20, 2017 8:37 PM  

Brave has been improving. Default browser now.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 20, 2017 8:38 PM  

Brave has been improving. Default browser now.

It had quirks. I stuck with it because the ethic matters to me more than the performance. The performance has subsequently improved. It's worth trying again, considering what the designers are attempting.

Blogger LP9 September 20, 2017 8:48 PM  

InfoG news, Tech, etc., is amazing, I adore it, I no longer have to bother with Drudge.

I dont have time for soft loser news or death and dying.

Regarding Gab, someone in 2016 told Andrew T and Ustav to not trust Vox that seems to explain why they threatened to release UTTERLY innocuous emails, recorded phone calls related to business and nothing more dating back to 2016.

I left gab per my friends my account is gone and this week I was asked via email to invest or not, I said no do invest, I pulled mine.

I am not giving money to anyone that went after the Day's, Milo, etc., if you want to stay in the cesspool that I believe it is.

Regarding the matter of burning down a platform, that is not happening, no one and Vox has not harmed Gab -

It is a metaphor; pyromancy burning down the city to show you the light, is reaching and trying to show others the truth via the power of the pen and the letter of the law.

Beyond all, gab isn't an issue but a non entity, I remain proud of alt tech.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 20, 2017 8:55 PM  

SirHamster wrote:I stayed on Gab to keep an eye on where it's going.

They just added an expanded reporting feature with categories, going in the direction that Vox has suggested.

https://gab.ai/gab/posts/12388597

Amusingly, some #AltRetard accounts have disappeared, probably self deleted. Andrew Anglin is bugging off Gab because of the @weev ban. If that discourages the Nazi shitposters, that improves Gab's brand.


Until Torba addresses the attitude he used with Jeremiah Embs, success will elude him.

Blogger LP9 September 20, 2017 9:01 PM  

Edit; recorded phone calls related to business dating back to 2016.

No good person can really stay at Gab.ai, as I refuse to arrive at any platform that allows, promotes, brags, mgmt brags, users brags, going after innocent people, releasing addresses, names, photo shopping with great evil of innocent people thinking that users will stay at Gab.

No!

I reject Gab.

Blogger LP9 September 20, 2017 9:28 PM  

Man of the Atom September 20, 2017 8:55 PM

SirHamster wrote....

LP: I've talked with Jeremiah E via email, I side against Gab and against the mgmt at Gab not to harm them but my mere thinking is this; I wont support Gab ever again. My choice and as a smaller person I have no impact and dont even think I exist to have an impact, when SB is insulted its not ok; anti feminists, family centric, gender equality deniers stick together, we stick together.

I was sad to read Difters's comments to Amy but Amy T is going to side with the Torbas as family does.

Jeremiah E is outstanding talented rational christian and friend to me.

Trashing the Days's meant me leaving Gab, I wont have it, I wont allow or even associate with people trashing Mrs. Day, my Milo and even Ivan/others.

Blogger Dave September 20, 2017 11:38 PM  

Daniel wrote:The windows not maximied is annoying
Try these steps:
1. Right-click on any Windows shortcut and click Properties.
2. In the Properties window, click the Shortcut tab.
3. Locate the Run: section, and then click the down arrow on the right-hand side.
4. In the drop-down menu that appears, choose Maximized.
5. Click Apply, and then OK. The program should now open in a full window.

Anonymous John K Jerome September 21, 2017 12:14 AM  

Maybe Twitter was just blacklisting VP because Vox was promoting their competitor. Petty, yes. Anti-competitive? Of course. Predictable with their kind? Absolutely.


Brave and netflix... is it the shields? Have you tried lowering shields for Netflix?

Anonymous Mycroft Jones September 21, 2017 2:49 AM  

After I posted here today about Netflix on Brave, ten minutes later Brave wanted to restart, it had an update. So now I tried Brave and Netflix just now, and after weeks of not working, Netflix is working. Didn't have to touch the shields at all.

But now suddenly can't post to this blog from Brave. Had to switch to another browser. Safari didn't even show a comment box I could type in.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 21, 2017 8:28 AM  

I tried Brave some time back and found a number of things that were annoying. Maybe I'll give it another go soon.

In the meantime I switched from Firefox to Pale Moon, which is nice and seamless as the latter was a fork of the former, I believe.

I realize that Brave is the first choice for alt-tech, but is there a reason not to use Pale Moon, like there is for Firefox, Chrome, etc.?

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2017 9:18 AM  

> ...but is there a reason not to use Pale Moon...

There's no reason not to use Pale Moon if you prefer it, no. Brave's micropayments system they're trying to implement is unique to Brave though.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira September 21, 2017 9:22 AM  

And swastika panties received skid marks.

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