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Tuesday, September 26, 2017

Can Star Trek be converged?

Or is that an intrinsically redundant concept? ST:D answers the question:
As for the Klingons, they’ve received the biggest redesign of the series, both physically (the design falls somewhere between the ridged foreheads of Next Generation and subsequent shows, and the rebooted race from Star Trek Into Darkness) and aesthetically, with the Klingon outfits taking on an ornate, golden style that’s different from anything seen on Trek series before. Discovery’s Klingons are also fiercely religious, seeming to worship Kahless the Unforgettable, the first Klingon ruler to unite the species, and the founder of the Klingon Empire.

The new Klingons are also incredibly devoted to the idea of Klingon culture above all else — T'Kuvma, the Klingon leader, has a rallying cry of “Remain Klingon,” and while he is (relative to the other Klingon houses) open to accepting any Klingon, even those considered to be outcasts, he loathes the Federation ideals of equality, diversity, and peace. It’s easy to draw parallels to America’s current political atmosphere, where issues of isolationism and racial supremacy are sadly rearing their ugly heads again — which the showrunners absolutely intended, according to an interview with Entertainment Weekly.
Yes, believe it or not, you can actually turn the SJW convergence up to 11, even on Star Trek. I'm genuinely surprised that they didn't name the Klingon leader D'Drumpf. And can there be any doubt that a villain will eventually appear with fabulous hair and a name like Y'Milo?

All the media reviews are positive, which tends to suggest that the show is going to tank faster than DC Comics introducing a gay black Superman in a wheelchair.

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Blogger Ken Prescott September 26, 2017 8:08 AM  

Make Qo'NoS Great Again! Qa'Pla!

I am unironically cheering for the Klingons to beat the United Federation of Cucked Normie Planets. REEEEEEE!

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 26, 2017 8:15 AM  

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, doea anyone care?

Blogger Chris Lutz September 26, 2017 8:17 AM  

Yeah, let's mess with the Klingons who are a fan favorite. People like the Klingons because shockingly they are Klingon. They have their own beliefs and ideals which don't mesh with the Federation's. Other than the Vulcans, no one cares about any of the Federation groups because they are bland copies of the humans.

Blogger Subversive Saint September 26, 2017 8:19 AM  

The creators of Star Trek spend a lot of time on the topic of religion for a show that imagines humanity without the need for religion.

The humans seem without hope and posses no intrinsic "humanity" in comparison to the aliens they find along their path.

This is most true in the Next Generation, DS9 and Voyager series.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 26, 2017 8:21 AM  

Here is one review that isn't too cool with STD (*snerk*)

The Scrappy Doo and Peter Brady of Star Trek

Blogger Jemison Thorsby September 26, 2017 8:22 AM  

I'll give 'em this much: they're not even being coy about the convergence:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/09/25/star-trek-discovery-cast-takes-knee-shows-premiere/

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 26, 2017 8:23 AM  

I may give it a look just because it looks so baaaaad.

Blogger Quilp September 26, 2017 8:23 AM  

How to make Lucy the victim while pulling that football away from hapless Charlie Brown..they will find a way.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 26, 2017 8:25 AM  

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, doea anyone care?"

Only the woodlice.

As for Star Trek being converged, once you realize that the "Federation" is actually a communist government from day one...

Blogger Furthest Right September 26, 2017 8:26 AM  

Me and my old man watched it; the poz was nauseating.

Dad chose not to notice it, however.

Boomers.

Blogger Orville September 26, 2017 8:27 AM  

I've seen several articles the last few weeks from the SJW media linking Trump to the Klingons. Daddy Warpig's demolition of the latest Star Trek is brutal http://www.castaliahouse.com/the-scrappy-doo-and-peter-brady-of-star-trek/.

The Klingon's should have MAGA hats or IDIC like medalions.

Anonymous kHz September 26, 2017 8:28 AM  

Perhaps today really is a good day to Alt-Right.

Anonymous Rocklea September 26, 2017 8:28 AM  

Apparently Netflix has Klingon subtitles. Silly fools. It's like a native tongue for trekkies, the subtitles are redundant. I wonder what odds I can get on the Klingon's winning the first season and by default, due to cancellation, the war.

On the other hand, The Orville's last episode had the crew going up against a parent who wanted a sex change op on a newly hatched female infant. Granted, the species is entirely male and who knows how they propagate, but it's the thought that counts.

Anonymous DaveInjustice September 26, 2017 8:36 AM  

In the words of Goth singer Voltaire:

'What is with the Klingons? Remember, in the day,
They looked like Puerto Ricans and they dressed in gold lame"

Blogger Unknown September 26, 2017 8:37 AM  

Do not they notice that klingons would fit the Islamic invaders quite neatly still?

Blogger YIH September 26, 2017 8:37 AM  

Yeah, calling the Treks converged is like saying water is wet. They always have pushed a lefty agenda, some more than others. But it's when the stories rise above the leftist utopian POV that makes the show memorable.
That said, everything I've heard so far (very little of it good) makes me fear STD is ultimately going to grab the ''Worst Trek series'' crown away from Voyager.
Let's see: fired executive producer, redesigned everything (and the merch guys ain't happy about it) causing delays (the pilot was supposed to debut a year ago) more delays (then in Jan '17) and more delays (then in May '17). Another problem goes to who's producing it, Bad Robot (the reboot series) which because of contractual obligations between them, Paramount and CBS can't set STD in the ''prime'' ST timeline (ENT to VOY) yet (((Leslie Moonves))) (CBS head, and has been micromanaging this show) is claiming ''oh it's prime!'' even though the Bad Robot/Paramount deal specifically means the movies (and now show) must be substantially different (hence the ''kelvin'' timeline for the reboots, among other things). Vox, you might want to add the 'trainwreck' tag to this post, it sure looks like one from here.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 26, 2017 8:37 AM  

This was supposed to be the show that would launch CBSs own streaming service. Basically STD was to entice subscribers.
But they forgot the first rule. Never directly insult your audience.

Blogger synp September 26, 2017 8:46 AM  

But the Klingons have always been fan favorites because they are fierce warriors and honorable. Fans appreciate how committed they are to their principles and honor, much in the vein of the Noble Savage of old.

So now the honorable Klingons are analogous to the right? If anything it would make sense to make them analogous to Arabs.

I guess the point is that you might admire Klingons (or any noble savage type) from afar, but you wouldn't want them to live among us. So the series writers want Arabs living among them, but not right wing folks.

Anonymous Rocklea September 26, 2017 8:47 AM  

I remember when STD used to stand for Subscriber Trunk Dialing.
Then it was Sexually Transmitted Disease, something blacks and fags got.
Now it's something they inflict upon you. Star Trek Discovery, STD, is the new plague. Diversity AIDs.

Anonymous God hates cucks September 26, 2017 8:49 AM  

"T'Kuvma, the Klingon leader, has a rallying cry of “Remain Klingon,” and while he is (relative to the other Klingon houses) open to accepting any Klingon, even those considered to be outcasts, he loathes the Federation ideals of equality, diversity, and peace."

The ironic thing is that it is the right, and not the left, that values diversity. The right realizes that borders, segregation, tradition, and decentralized government are needed to preserve diversity. The leftwing "one coffee colored human race" is not diverse. Globalism is the opposite of diversity.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 26, 2017 8:51 AM  

faster than DC Comics introducing a gay black Superman in a wheelchair.

Man, I do love coming to Vox Popoli for the Laugh Out Louds. Coffee + VP + keyboard is a bad combination.

Anonymous JAG September 26, 2017 8:52 AM  

God hates cucks wrote:"T'Kuvma, the Klingon leader, has a rallying cry of “Remain Klingon,” and while he is (relative to the other Klingon houses) open to accepting any Klingon, even those considered to be outcasts, he loathes the Federation ideals of equality, diversity, and peace."

The ironic thing is that it is the right, and not the left, that values diversity. The right realizes that borders, segregation, tradition, and decentralized government are needed to preserve diversity. The leftwing "one coffee colored human race" is not diverse. Globalism is the opposite of diversity.


We're supposed to embrace diversity, but woe be to the white guy who wears a sombrero or cooks a burrito.

Blogger Johnny September 26, 2017 8:54 AM  

The thing about a masculine type warrior character who is in a supporting role is that he will become the unintended lead because people will give him more attention. And so unless they are the lead they have to be deprecated in some way to keep the attention on the intended story and lead. Thus the original Klingons had to be flawed, a little to fanatical to be identified with. Apparently they have gone over the top on this in the latest production.

The problem a lot of these lefties have is that when a strong ideology is adapted people become stereotypes and lack depth. Thus they can not write a good script because the characters all end up being superficial stand-ins for the stereotype.

Alas for me, I have a certain fondness for a move aimed mainly at kids that involves a talking pig. They came up with a sequel called Babe: A Little Pig Goes A Long Way. It is astonishing to me just how bad it is. Bet yah the fall is even further then this Star Trek thing.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 26, 2017 8:57 AM  

Funny. As I see it, the SJW's worship the Klingons and the Islamists the same: both appear to be the antithesis of SJW-ism, yet supplication and subordination are required of the SJW Federationists.

These folks really do have mental issues.

As for Orville, the more they put the 1st officer (ex-wife) chick in short-shorts or a skirt, the more interesting the show becomes. That's an actress with nice legs. Also, the more they satirize ST the better. That's where Seth M. can mine comedic paydirt.

Anonymous Rocklea September 26, 2017 8:58 AM  

"A Little Pig Goes A Long Way."
The third movie, Bacon, was delicious.

Blogger PHawk September 26, 2017 9:05 AM  

It is intrinsically redundant, and while unfortunate, not unsurprising. It is simply time to tune out legacy pop culture in its entirety until saner heads return to the controls, or it is replaced in totum.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 26, 2017 9:06 AM  

@19 Globalism is the opposite of diversity.

Globalism is the thinnest veneer on Neo-Feudalism. Debt-serfs live on their Masters' land, shop at their Masters' Company Store, wait for the handouts from their Masters' charity, act like sock puppets (man, that's gotta hurt!) when their Masters' MSM choreographs the next Two Minutes Hate, cheer at their Masters' Colosseum for the Masters' gladiators, line up to buy whatever junk their Masters' firms want to sell them, etc., etc.

Nothing has changed since Ancient Roman Historian Sallust noted that most men don't want to be free, they only wish for a just master.

People herd, but those who herd more than others are rather disgusting.

Anonymous DaveInjustice September 26, 2017 9:08 AM  

DC- I've enjoyed The Orville so far, especially the almost perfect copying of elements of ST, especially Voyager, the dramatic pre commercial musical flares, the formulaic plot twist and misdirects. The trans episode wasn't as SJW as I thought it would be but still seemed more Heavy on drama than comedy

Blogger Glenn Phillips September 26, 2017 9:10 AM  

Wait a minute. Tho Orville was okay? I turned it on for less than a minute and saw that two alien dudes had a baby. Luckily there was some pre season hockey on.

Blogger YIH September 26, 2017 9:13 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:This was supposed to be the show that would launch CBSs own streaming service. Basically STD was to entice subscribers.

But they forgot the first rule. Never directly insult your audience.

Obviously they learned nothing from Voyager, which was the launch show for UPN and couldn't bring enough viewers to keep that viable - and left a bad taste in everyone's mouth when Enterprise replaced it, too little too late.
Oh, and from what I've heard Netflix (who has the rights to the show outside the US and pretty much fronted all the costs for STD is really unhappy with this and afraid they've been jewed. And considering that the gefilte fish stinks from the (((CBS head))) they may be right.

Anonymous Locke September 26, 2017 9:13 AM  

Sounds like they're talking about the insular Chinese culture. Clearly racist towards them. How do we report this to the Chinese government so they can take appropriate action against the tv network, producers and all affiliated groups.

Because according to the Chinese there are Han and all others who are outsiders.

Blogger Shamgar September 26, 2017 9:14 AM  

I mean, the abbreviation ST-D is enough warning to stay away from it.

Blogger Johnny September 26, 2017 9:15 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Sallust noted that most men don't want to be free, they only wish for a just master.

Worth repeating for emphasis. And they don't want to have to think, they want an expert to tell them the answers.

Blogger VD September 26, 2017 9:18 AM  

Oh, and from what I've heard Netflix (who has the rights to the show outside the US and pretty much fronted all the costs for STD is really unhappy with this and afraid they've been jewed.

Heard from whom?

Blogger Midnight Avenue J September 26, 2017 9:21 AM  

We gave up on tv a while back, cut satellite off and use Kodi to stream nature shows and movies. So I wasn't aware STD was a thing, outside of the clap.

Sounds positively awful.

I love Star Trek. My mom used to let me stay up late with her on Saturday nights to watch reruns of it on WPIX 11. When TNG debuted I faithfully watched every episode, and dutifully fell in love with Riker as a preteen girl should (piss off, Wesley Crusher). As a family we saw all of Trek films in the theater, even into my twenties I gathered with the fam for a movie. So, my memories of Trek are mostly family memories. We all bonded over this minor thing. It was fun, not mindless, and it launched a lot of real world discussions at the dinner table.

I know, I know, pozzed, convergence, they might as well name all ships The Federation Ship SJW. But it worked as sci-fi, and if you're smart enough (is smart the right word?) it worked to wake you up. A lot of the aforementioned family discussions were about resisting the ST narratives, about standing out and why the Klingons or any other culture might be right, or wrong. And whether or not the human hegemon had a right to interfere, to respect the Prime Directive only when it felt like it.

So I won't see STD and I won't be disappointed by it. Abrams already disappointed me with the timeline reboots of what could have been great movies. But my disgust with Abrams is another story.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner September 26, 2017 9:24 AM  

And to think that I once never imagined anything could make the "Spock's Brain" episode from the Original Series look like good television.

Blogger GraceIronwood September 26, 2017 9:31 AM  

Convergence was completed years ago when the ship's social worker became a key figure.

Blogger GPMark September 26, 2017 9:32 AM  

I'm looming forward to the Bug Bang Theory guys ripping on this show...

Anonymous Mayonnaise September 26, 2017 9:33 AM  

I mean, the abbreviation ST-D is enough warning to stay away from it.

Showrunner: "Let's call it Star Trek Discovery. STD, for short."

Producer: "STD stands for 'sexually transmitted disease.'"

Showrunner: "Yeah. So?"

Anonymous RJ September 26, 2017 9:35 AM  

That's a great title for it.

Star Trek: Convergence

Blogger Steampunk Koala September 26, 2017 9:38 AM  

"All the media reviews are positive, which tends to suggest that the show is going to tank faster than DC Comics introducing a gay black Superman in a wheelchair."

The worst part is, this doesn't even sound like hyperbole anymore. It's actually more a wonder they haven't done this yet.

Anonymous RT September 26, 2017 9:39 AM  

The old Star Trek were the best, the only ones worth watching. Spock was pure Alpha.

Check out Spock being a boss at 0:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsogfjxlDpo

Blogger James September 26, 2017 9:40 AM  

I think that the continuation of Star Trek is proof that there are few writers with original ideas left in the world of television. Just repackage a 50 year old franchise with the same played concepts and a guaranteed number of LARPers will tune in.

There have been a few shows that have shown originality over the past decade. Like Breaking Bad. But, the new television paradigm is 8 to 16 new shows a year. The need for clever writing is thus conserved since you don't have to produce 24 to 40 shows a year. HBO proved this in the 90's. Crank out 12 shows per season and wait a year and a half between seasons.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 26, 2017 9:41 AM  

So Mary Sue and boring betas or gammas in whatever taxonomy you choose. Winner

Since I am by nature profane I propose one of the reboot's bitchiest SJW chickies gets her freak on for a Klingon Alpha.

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 26, 2017 9:47 AM  

@42

I get your point, and I loved Breaking Bad, but many consider it a knockoff of Weeds.

Anonymous Nathan September 26, 2017 9:48 AM  

Not only is NetFlix unhappy with ST:D, if ST:D tanks, expect it to be called a mini-series and replaced by a new Star Trek series in pre-production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA

(Unfortunately, Midnight's Edge does not link to their source articles.)

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 26, 2017 9:49 AM  

STD versus the Empire of Man (from Dr. Pournelle). God save His Majesty Leonidas IX!

Honestly, I would not touch the ST franchise with a ten-foot pole. It's mined out. I don't care what universe you use, there are only a certain number of stories that can be told in it. Then you need to radically change things. Enterprise COULD have done that, but fell into the Same Old Stuff trap - instead of ditching the transporter, replicator, and subspace radio.

Oh, well. Think of the opportunities!

Blogger James Jones September 26, 2017 9:50 AM  

Download them on torrent so you don't contribute to viewing figures.

Blogger Resident Moron™ September 26, 2017 9:50 AM  

And Kirk was a natural rebel. To get things done he had to constantly break the rules and abandon obedience in favour of his personally chosen loyalties.

ST was always a lefty wet dream, but it was a dream in the mind of a guy who knew it was a dream.

The later iterations are made by people who revel in their wish-fulfillment fantasies and don't want any part of reality. Resent being reminded of it.

Blogger YIH September 26, 2017 9:53 AM  

Shamgar wrote:I mean, the abbreviation ST-D is enough warning to stay away from it.
The official acronym is DIS, keeping with VOY and ENT but when the show was announced the producer joke ''because it'll be on CBS streaming, we're going to be pushing the boundaries so calling it STD might work'' and it's stuck.
The problem is the three movie series (also not constrained by broadcast standards) have clearly set the tone for what is and what is not allowable for Star Trek, i.e. the language can be a bit saltier than TV but no nudity, very implicit sex at most, and nothing that would push it into an R rating (and in fact, try to avoid the PG-13 rating as well). Any of the movies can run on TV with little or no editing for content.

Anonymous Mayonnaise September 26, 2017 9:59 AM  

Prediction: Discovery will fall into a ratings craphole, but it will be extended an extra season anyway.

Because SJW pride.

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Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2017 10:03 AM  

Sisko gets no credit (he's the Doug Williams of Star Trek), because he wasn't resentful, in-your-face, 20th-century Black Man. I seem to remember there were articles about how he was the first black lead in Star Trek, but that was never the point of the show at all, because the whole conceit was that racism had already been eliminated. Now they spend a year before a show starts, telling you all the ways it's going to indoctrinate you.

Anonymous Raker Tooth September 26, 2017 10:05 AM  

Turn back the agenda for OT fun...
Lyrics change: I just realized that if you change two words in the Grass Roots song "Let's live for today"; it makes a pretty good Christian song. Change "today" to " The Lord"; and "pleasure" to "worship".

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Blogger Wolfman at Large September 26, 2017 10:08 AM  

What would a fully de-converged Star Trek look like?

That's where the speculation gets completely wild.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 26, 2017 10:10 AM  

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Blogger YIH September 26, 2017 10:10 AM  

Mayonnaise wrote:Prediction: Discovery will fall into a ratings craphole, but it will be extended an extra season anyway.

Because SJW pride.

I'm thinking not, I see Netflix not wanting to throw good money after bad. And they're not going to want to cough up more dough for season 2. I'm going with the 15th episode being the last.

Blogger JohnofAustria September 26, 2017 10:11 AM  

Check out the Rotten Tomatoes ratings for each, and the critic vs audience scores. It's like GG all over again.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 26, 2017 10:11 AM  

What would a fully de-converged Star Trek look like?
Like Warhammer.

Anonymous Steve September 26, 2017 10:14 AM  

because he wasn't resentful, in-your-face, 20th-century Black Man

Apart from his weird hostility to the wop holodeck singer, on account of the specific decade - 400 years ago - his program was based on being racist, or something.

Which is exactly as mad as if Potatohead O'Brien had a feud going with hologram John Milton because of what Cromwell did, or Bashir boycotting their Royal Flying Corps LARPing sessions because Churchill (accurately) called Mohandas Gandhi a poo-fingered, nappy-wearing liar.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 26, 2017 10:16 AM  

For example it does get pretty clear that the Vulcans are quite logically using the rest of the Federation as phaser fodder to fend off the less advanced but far more aggressive rival star empires like the Klingons and Romulans.

Is that sort of thing not going to generate at least some internal tension inside the Federation?

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 26, 2017 10:16 AM  

@57 YIH

Maybe the ratings will hold up because of this ridiculousness:

David A. Goodman reacted to news of the series by saying, "Hope it's good, will watch it even if it's bad."

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2017 10:18 AM  

Tho Orville was okay? I turned it on for less than a minute and saw that two alien dudes had a baby.

The bar has been lowered so far that "Hey, the episode were the trans-couple had a baby actually turned out okay" is a sentence that someone can utter.

Apart from his weird hostility to the wop holodeck singer

Yes, that was so painfully out of place. I've never looked it up, but that felt like the writer was on loan from Voyager, and said, "What? You have a black captain and you've never had an episode where he gets righteous about race? Well, it's time to fix that."

Blogger Howard Stone September 26, 2017 10:18 AM  

In the Star Trek Universe despite its being the newest addition to the galaxy and the least advanced, Earth is the only planet that recruits crew members from other planets to serve on their starships. No other planet in the Star Trek Universe has crew members from other planets serving on their starships. If the Klingons really wanted to conquer Earth it would just send hundreds of thousands of young Klingons to Star Fleet academy.

Anonymous Steve September 26, 2017 10:18 AM  

Thing is though, Sisko wouldn't get no SJW brownie points these days because he was a staunch heterosexual and a good Dad.

Anonymous Neil Fingleton September 26, 2017 10:21 AM  

Nope sorry. Ratings for discovery are through the roof. THIS IS THE NEW AMERICA. Get used to it.

Oh by the way: http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-makes-history-marine-corps-female-infantry-officer/story?id=50080066

Blogger Ransom Smith September 26, 2017 10:23 AM  

Sisko wouldn't get no SJW brownie points these days because he was a staunch heterosexual and a good Dad.
Straight black men are at the bottom of the sjw hierarchy these days.
Too bad many are too clueless to realize just how they're being used without anything to show for it.

Anonymous vfm September 26, 2017 10:24 AM  

"If the Klingons really wanted to conquer Earth it would just send hundreds of thousands of young Klingons to Star Fleet academy."

Good eye.

Blogger YIH September 26, 2017 10:25 AM  

Lara Mycroft wrote:@57 YIH

Maybe the ratings will hold up because of this ridiculousness:

David A. Goodman reacted to news of the series by saying, "Hope it's good, will watch it even if it's bad."


The problem is CBS gets the US (Canada licenses it from CBS) where the vast majority of trekkies are. Netflix gets the rest of the world, much smaller viewer base, plus they have to deal with the tax and content restrictions of other countries, not to mention the dub/sub costs. They'll be lucky to break even.
Amazon might bite on season 2, but Netflix is already holding it's hands in ice water.

Blogger Jon D. September 26, 2017 10:25 AM  

As of yesterday it was:

Star Tre Discovery: Critic score 85% positive, audience score 45%
The Orville Critic score 20%, audience score 89%

Gee. Who's out of touch?

Anonymous fop September 26, 2017 10:26 AM  

When are we going to talk about the FQ -

the (((Ferengi))) question?

Blogger Stilicho September 26, 2017 10:28 AM  

That description makes me want to watch... so I can cheer for the Klingons.

On a sartorial note, perhaps the snazzy new klingon uniforms will give the Stormpoopers something to dress up as that doesn't involve socialism and Hugo Boss.

Anonymous Steve September 26, 2017 10:30 AM  

Earth is the only planet that recruits crew members from other planets to serve on their starships.

Obvs because it makes (or should make) for more interesting TV, but yes - it's mad. Though it was cool when Riker served on a Klingon ship, even if they never sold me on the idea that Klingons, or any other sentient species, would respect Will Riker. (What's the Klingon word for "girdle"?)

I also liked how TNG depicted the Klingons as basically Space Russians. Everything on their boats was a bit rusty and dingy like a 90's Goth club, but they were always up for a scrap and could still kill you.

Blogger The Kurgan September 26, 2017 10:31 AM  

I would suggest the klingons are actually space Muslims. And going to war with them is the right thing to do.

Anonymous Steve September 26, 2017 10:33 AM  

The Kurgan - Nah. There's no Muslims in Star Trek, because it's the future.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 26, 2017 10:36 AM  

Is it so bad that it seems to stop while the "Sermon" is being delivered?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 26, 2017 10:44 AM  

A deconverged ST? I think it would depend on the technology.

If we assume that they have the replicator, it's not Socialist...but could be mistaken for it. Most goods wind up treated the way we treat running water, something that you pay a very small fee for. Theft is a crime of malice, not a crime of greed. Things you can't replicate, like land, still have value.

I think a deconverged ST would wind up with Starfleet doing a lot of exploration, diplomatic, rescue, and law enforcement missions. I'm not sure smuggling would be an issue - not with a replicator.

In many ways, the replicator is the source of Too Many Plot Difficulties. Probably a good idea to ditch the blasted thing.

Blogger Thucydides September 26, 2017 10:47 AM  

The franchise has (or had) numerous places to refresh and take the series in different directions, but the writers and producers are lazy, in addition to being converged.

Two examples I have occasionally thought about (although putting pen to paper makes no sense in this environment, I can only imagine what would happen if it ever went through *their* rewriting process):

1. After the Borg cube ripped through a large fraction of the Federation fleet in TNG, there would be a huge capability gap. To cover this, old ships in the reserve fleet would have to be reactivated and a combination of accelerated academy cadets, ensigns and midshipmen and retired Starfleet personnel pressed into service to run things. Snot nosed "Captains" would have to contend with crusty Chiefs and Petty Officers who already have 40 years of service under their belt, and would also have no technological trickery or technobabble to defeat their opponents (the situation would resemble American "4 Stacker" destroyers heading out to confront the latest German U Boats or the Imperial Japanese Navy in 1941).

2. All organizations and civilizations come to an end. What does the end of the Federation look like? The easy take today is Klingons taking a knee or Vulcans removing statutes while screaming "Romulan Lives Matter", but I'd be more interested in something like the decline of the Byzantine Empire as a model to explore.

Anyway, they have wasted all their opportunities and potentially alienated a vast part of their fan base, so they can live with the consequences.

Blogger 00h September 26, 2017 10:55 AM  

They even abbreviate the name of the show to read like a disease classification. Surely I am not the first to notice this.

Blogger VD September 26, 2017 11:14 AM  

Surely I am not the first to notice this.

No, by George, I think you are!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2017 11:14 AM  

[Sisko] was a staunch heterosexual and a good Dad.

And his favorite hobbies were baseball and archaeology. How freaking white can you get?

Blogger Johnny September 26, 2017 11:14 AM  

The franchise has (or had) numerous places to refresh...

I have long thought an easy development would be to make the Klingons less of a stereotype. Perhaps make the termination of the "Klingon Wars" more ambiguous, with the Vulcans not so sure the Federation (or Empire) won. That would give a potential three way conflict between earthlings, Vulcans, and Klingons. Or they could get involved in a revolt in a planet that would just as soon be back in the Klingon orbit as opposed to being part of the Empire.

Of course converged minds would never buy into any of the above.

Anonymous Lara Mycroft September 26, 2017 11:16 AM  

@79. OOh

Pro Tip: At the very least, do a quick scan of the thread before commenting.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J September 26, 2017 11:19 AM  

I took a class at RU with Avery Brooks. He was very down to earth. And pretty "white." Probably got a lot of Uncle Tom teasing as a kid. Nice guy, very serious about his craft.

Blogger Theophilus Chilton September 26, 2017 11:21 AM  

Star Trek was converged back in the 1980s.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J September 26, 2017 11:22 AM  

You meant to say the 1960s...

Blogger Karl September 26, 2017 11:24 AM  

OT: Aint It Cool News's Harry Knowles is at the center of a sex harassment feeding frenzy. Been picked up at Buzzfeed today https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiarosenbaum/aint-it-cool-news-founder-sexual-assault-allegations

Anonymous Avalanche September 26, 2017 11:26 AM  

OT: Oh COOL! Been hovering around SJWADD on Amazon (ordered it back on 4 Sept!) (Can't WAIT!!)

Aaaaaand lookie here:

"featuring a foreword by Ivan Throne, SJWS ALWAYS DOUBLE DOWN is a vital weapon in the cultural war against the thought police."

Anonymous krymneth September 26, 2017 11:28 AM  

I've got a treatment for a "deconverged Star Trek" I'm trying to write through, when my health permits. The answer is that it looks almost nothing like Star Trek by the time you done. The main problem is that people in Star Trek mostly aren't real humans. Neither individually not corporately do they act anything like real people.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 26, 2017 11:29 AM  

(Imagines Ivan Throne as a Klingon General)

Now that's Star Trek worth watching.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2017 11:30 AM  

What would a fully de-converged Star Trek look like?

The best episodes of DS9 might be pretty close, or as far as you can go while still feeling like Star Trek. You have to keep some of that optimistic futurism, or it would be something else altogether. But DS9 showed the ugly side of a Federation that considers itself everyone's moral compass, what it is willing to do to enforce its altruism, and how that looks to the cultures it pushes around. It had conflicts that weren't solved by technobabble at the end of each episode, or even each season. And once the Dominion and the Founders came into the picture, the whole thing became about DNA and identity: who are you and who are your people, and how do you know whom to trust if the enemy can look like you?

Anonymous Nathan September 26, 2017 11:31 AM  

@Krymneth;

"I've got a treatment for a "deconverged Star Trek" I'm trying to write through, when my health permits. The answer is that it looks almost nothing like Star Trek by the time you done. The main problem is that people in Star Trek mostly aren't real humans. Neither individually not corporately do they act anything like real people."

Perhaps that's why Star Trek pastiches are mostly parody.

Blogger cheddarman September 26, 2017 11:33 AM  

Maybe it will be unintentionally hilarious, kind of like 1970's parody-porno turned up to 11

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2017 11:39 AM  

You meant to say the 1960s...

1960s convergence: We'll cast a black woman to be on the bridge, to show that that wouldn't be surprising in a more enlightened future. We'll give her a short skirt and a few lines and spend the next 50 years patting ourselves on the back for it.

1990s convergence: We'll cast a woman -- a capable actress -- as the captain, and arrange a dozen interviews about how groundbreaking it is. Then we'll write confusing and disjointed storylines for her because we can't decide whether she should be butch or not.

2017 convergence: We'll cast a Diversity Token as the captain -- who cares if zhe can act -- and spend the year before the show even comes out telling the fans they're going to like it or else.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 26, 2017 11:39 AM  

@84

Avery Brooks's acting style on DS9 was often characterized as wooden.

I think he was going after the antithesis of Kirk's demeanor, which -- as we all know -- was Shatnerian!

Anonymous BBGKB September 26, 2017 11:39 AM  

I watched the first episode. They made a mistake in making all the KlingOns look like niglets.

And can there be any doubt that a villain will eventually appear with fabulous hair and a name like Y'Milo?

Oddly enough Big Gay Koran Burner translates as ____

Orville's last episode had the crew going up against a parent who wanted a sex change op on a newly hatched female infant. Granted, the species is entirely male and who knows how they propagate, but it's the thought that counts.

You left out the best part there was only one female on their planet named Mary Sue Gandhi, who was literally the best at evreything. Not sure if that part was satire.

faster than DC Comics introducing a gay black Superman in a wheelchair.

I was pretty sure Marvel gay superhero De Ray was black until I saw they are having a white actor play him on arrow. Maybe we can get blacks riled up over whitewashing.
http://www.towleroad.com/2017/09/russell-tovey-ray/

SJW's worship the Klingons and the Islamists the same: both appear to be the antithesis of SJW-ism, yet supplication and subordination are required of the SJW Federationists.

R style evolution licks the boot that kicks them & bites/rapes hands that feed them

Blogger SouthRon September 26, 2017 11:40 AM  

While playing Stellaris yesterday as the United Nations of Earth, basically The Federation, I ran into a star system called Covfefe. I really hope it has aliens that kick my ass.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 26, 2017 11:45 AM  

@94

2021 convergence: The captain will be a pan-sexual midget. Acting chops will be unimportant, as the character will also be a mute.

I'm thinking Wee Man would be perfect. Thoughts?

Blogger ZhukovG September 26, 2017 12:03 PM  

The Klingons sound good. The Federation can burn.

Of course, when I played 'Star Wars, The Old Republic', I always sided with the Sith Empire.

Anonymous DaveInjustice September 26, 2017 12:04 PM  

I actually enjoyed Sisko as a captain. He definitely put his own mark on the role of Captain. He had the Kirk intensity, but he kept it more brooding. and that was made interesting by the fact that his first officer could also be more hot headed so he occasionally had to step back from his personal feelings to make the best command decision. So not as impulsive as kirk, but not as (sometimes annoyingly) cerebral as picard. Also not as stupid as Janeway, who basically ignored everyone did whatever she wanted with resting bitch face.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 26, 2017 12:10 PM  

Resident Moron, from your description, Kirk was a German infantry officer when Germany's army gave its officers war game problems that intentionally made them work around the rules. 3rd Gen military all the way.

Blogger Gordon September 26, 2017 12:15 PM  

Star Trek is a brand. There's a jillion people out there who like some part of Star Trek to one degree or another. It's familiar. They don't have to sell the basic concept. It doesn't matter what goes on in the show, just putting "Star Trek" on the title buys some credibility.

It's like the "Grands" brand that Pillsbury uses. It started as just oversized biscuits, but they were popular, so they made "Grands" cinnamon rolls too. Now there's about 43 varieties of ready-to-bake dough with "Grands" in the name.

M&M/Mars does the same thing. That's why there's a dozen or more flavors of M&Ms, rather than 2 M&Ms and 10 other brands.

Anonymous Klingons Around Uranus September 26, 2017 12:16 PM  

" All organizations and civilizations come to an end. What does the end of the Federation look like? "

There seems to have been a story arc on VOY dealing with a 29th century Federation ... mostly centered around a couple of timeships and a lot of finagling with the timeline at that point. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, iyam.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/29th_century

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 26, 2017 12:23 PM  

"All organizations and civilizations come to an end. What does the end of the Federation look like?"

Not an end, a Secession Crisis. Which would make an excellent TNG/DS9/VOY mash-up.

Scenario: The Federation has grown to the point where the interests of the core systems and the outer colonies no longer coincide. Something similar to the British Empire in World War II, where the home country is fighting the Germans, but the Australians are far more concerned with the Japanese. There were some TNG episodes that brushed on this, but it was never probed deeply.

Now, a secession crisis has erupted, with a quarter or third of the outer colonies trying to secede and set up their own stellar empire. And there's major political conflict, with the characters stuck in the middle.

And, of course, deeply divided. Some will back the separatists. Others will back the Federation. And there will be some who would rather sit this one out... Think of the Civil War, and you get the picture. Even if it gets defused politically (entirely possible), the relations between the characters will never be the same again.

Blogger DonReynolds September 26, 2017 12:23 PM  

"he loathes the Federation ideals of equality, diversity, and peace."

Yes, I realize this is pure fiction, so it would seem silly to argue over nonsensical inventions in a work of fiction, but since the writer has decided there IS A PARALLEL in the present political atmosphere....that invites argument.

There is no equality. There never has been and I seriously doubt there will ever be. WE are simply different people and those differences MEAN we can never be equal. But those same differences also make each one of us....unique, and that alone makes each of us rare and valuable, part of the infinite human variety. (No, we cannot be replaced by robots or droids or artificial persons.)

That means that diversity occurs anytime there are two or more individuals and is not something that needs to be cultivated with the greatest possible and greatest imaginable contrasts. There are incompatible peoples. There are people who are incompatible with Western civilization. There are people who are incompatible with any civilization. Forcing incompatible people into confined spaces means conflict, loss, and waste. Peace? This is the opposite of peace. (I am surprised the writer did not also dangle Free Love and Unlimited Porn access in the deal.)

"It’s easy to draw parallels to America’s current political atmosphere, where issues of isolationism and racial supremacy are sadly rearing their ugly heads again"

Isolationism is as American as apple pie. THAT is the actual path to that Peace, they like to bray about. WE used to consider it a virtue to "mind your own business" and stay out of foreign entanglements. Yes, there have been foreign wars, but you must recall that the Lend-Lease Act of 1940 was the first deliberate treaty in the history of the Republic to abandon isolationism as a public policy. Americans have only recently gotten into the Empire Building business...since WWII. Much of US history was very much devoted to isolationism....and it does not have an ugly head. How this could possibly be related to racial supremacy, the writer does not bother to explain, but given the rest of his nonsense I suspect he considers Nationalism to be racial supremacy and this is just a sly way to call the bad guy a racist. People like this writer really cannot help themselves. They only have one pet trick and so they do it all the time, which gets monotonous and tiresome fairly quickly. Yes, and the Federation is definitely race realists. They appear to be very well informed of the habits, traits, strengths, and weaknesses of every known species...differences they do not ignore, else they would be considered insensitive and uncivil.

Anonymous Klingons Around Uranus September 26, 2017 12:25 PM  

Stupid things I noticed from the first episode of STD

(Also frustrated that they ended on a cliffhanger and pitched their pay "All Access" premium channel if you wanted to watch the second episode conclusion! Bastards.)

Captain Asian Woman can't get a comm signal on the planet's surface, requiring her to draw a giant Starfleet symbol in the desert for the ship to find them;

Starship landing to rescue them instead of sending down a shuttlecraft;

Using an ancient optical telescope to look for a small object near a star (because ship's sensors weren't working)

First Officer Mary Sue Shaniqua getting shot at the unidentified object, in a spacesuit, through a field of asteroids, instead of sending a probe or shuttlecraft;

Sarek shoehorned into the plot because reasons ... who knew he had a half-black human daughter?

Klingons using cloaking devices on their ships totally out of continuity;

Half-Vulcan/Half-human/half-black Mary Sue Shaniqua first officer knocking out the ship's captain with a Vulcan nerve pinch in order to clumsily try to take over the ship and start a war with the Klingons (because she knows you need to be really aggressive with these Trumpsters ... err, Klingons) -- Committing serious mutiny right out of the gate, but she's special so ...?

And so on. Like I said, I didn't get to see the conclusion.

Blogger Gordon September 26, 2017 12:29 PM  

First officer mutinies? Hey, not a biggie, at least since Picard told the Bajoran chick that her treason was no problem, really, everyone makes mistakes, come on back, we trust you.

Blogger Shimshon September 26, 2017 12:33 PM  

@94 Cail, well-said, and what I was thinking too. Even the most converged shows (and TOS is probably high up there in the 1960s) didn't really let the Narrative get in the way of a decent story. Spock's Brain wasn't bad because Convergence, for example. Progressivism in the 1960s included casting Russian characters. As good guys.

Anonymous Eli September 26, 2017 12:35 PM  

@66 Those ratings will go down in the coming weeks. New high concept shows always do well at the start. As for the link what does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to show off your feminist ideals? Did the Marines dumb down their requirements for her to pass? Maybe. Will she end up ruining a mission because of her overall weakness and emotional baggage? Most likely.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 12:41 PM  

"Or is that an intrinsically redundant concept?"

Hahaha! Down with Roddenberry's Folly!

Blogger DonReynolds September 26, 2017 12:42 PM  

I must admit there was an episode of Star Trek that was actually clever. The Enterprise located a planet that had an advanced society, with the usual Chinese Mandarin order and modern technology. They were being over-run by the warlike barbarian savages, they called the Yangs, with whom they had fought a long war and were slowly losing. They wanted Kirk to use his weapons to save them from being overrun and destroy by the savages. In the end, the Yangs turned out to be Yankees, complete with a copy of the Declaration of Independence, which Kirk bothered to explain to them.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 12:45 PM  

"Discovery’s Klingons are also fiercely religious..."

Ummm... weren't they generally kinda giving off that vibe already? I mean, dull warrior cultures generally ain't commies now, whatever the comparisons between the USSR and Klingons were.

Blogger Chris Lutz September 26, 2017 12:47 PM  

Eli wrote:@66 Those ratings will go down in the coming weeks. New high concept shows always do well at the start. As for the link what does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to show off your feminist ideals? Did the Marines dumb down their requirements for her to pass? Maybe. Will she end up ruining a mission because of her overall weakness and emotional baggage? Most likely.

Of course they dumbed it down for her and gave her every advantage that no male would have received.

Yes, the ratings will fall especially with it moving to streaming.

A non-converged Star Trek would occur something like 500 years beyond TNG. A human vessel finds a group of Federation types in suspended animation. From there we learn how the Federation collapsed due to its intrinsic contradictions. The people who found the Feds are attempting to put together something better while having to correct the Feds who live in the unrealistic past.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 12:56 PM  

@111

Ummmm... how is that clever? That just sounds... weird. Interesting, but weird. Clever would be, say, that episode of the Twilight Zone (or, heck, really most episodes of the Twilight Zone) where those two astronauts land on that planet with a whole civilization of tiny people and one of the astronauts gets a God complex because of this and scares off the other astronaut who calls him nutty and just wants to leave, does leave, and then the episode ends with the crazy guy who decided to stay pretty much getting stomped (really, picked up and accidentally squished) by a bigger fish, namely, another, GIANT (compared to him) astronaut with another giant astronaut who also seemed to crash land on the planet, thusly, freeing the tiny civilization.

See, THAT threw for a loop when I was younger and it still gets to me and sticks out for how ingenious it was. What you described is just... I dunno, better than TNG, which really isn't saying a whole lot, but hey, at least the Federation was more blatantly and honestly and expansionary military powerhouse then. The indoctrination by Roddenberry's handlers wasn't quite ingrained yet, so, yeah.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 1:01 PM  

"The new Klingons are also incredibly devoted to the idea of Klingon culture above all else..."

Again... weren't they already? I mean, in Star Trek the Movie 3, the Christopher Lloyd (Marty! I was frozen today! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC8zz95rm8s) Klingon antagonist of the picture literally killed his wife and a bunch of other hapless Klingon extras because they accidentally stumbled upon a vital, military secret that shouldn't get to the public... in complete and utter accordance with Klingon culture, if I'm not mistaken.

OpenID doktorjeep September 26, 2017 1:02 PM  

I think we have crypto-shitlords in H-wood there. Comparing us to Klingons is a compliment.

BTW the ST "series" or genre has been cordycepted and converged since that Voyager episode where they came upon a space probe that beamed some genocide of a long dead race's experience directly to the brains of the crew and nearly killed them, and Janeway opted not to destroy it so that the story would not die.
Hello, this thing almost killed you. You would let this thing possibly destroy another ship and crew just to tell them about "muh holocaust"?

That was the last episode of Voyager I watched. After DS9 ended that was it for me since.

Blogger Brad Matthews September 26, 2017 1:04 PM  

Guess I didn't miss much. Assumed it would be terrible. It's my new frustration avoidance technique.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 1:18 PM  

"I'll give 'em this much: they're not even being coy about the convergence:"

Ummm... the thing is, though, they can't possibly be converged since Star Trek always WAS converged to begin with, and certainly in the most recent decades where it's been so obvious and well documented. You can't make something that was already bad like this bad. You can make it worse, but you can't make it bad, ya know?

Blogger Bodo Staron September 26, 2017 1:25 PM  

It's so overtly converged, it's already amusing again. The propaganda is so thick, it made me laugh out loud.

Blogger StinkEye September 26, 2017 1:28 PM  

"Star Trek Discovery. STD."

The Real Housewives Of Deep Space.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 1:29 PM  

"Basically STD was to entice subscribers."

And thus, CBS are the biggest morons ever for ever thinking they could entice people with STD's of all things.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 26, 2017 1:41 PM  

What would be awesome is a Galaxy Quest series, although I doubt they could find anyone to fill Alan Rickman's shoes.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 1:45 PM  

@34

"But it worked as sci-fi, and if you're smart enough (is smart the right word?) it worked to wake you up."

No it fucking didn't. Trek, even better, TOS trek, was fucking horrendous garbage. When you make the original Star Wars cast look like good actors and make the sci-fi there seem plausible by comparison (and internally consistent), you've got issues.


"I faithfully watched every episode, and dutifully fell in love with Riker as a preteen girl should (piss off, Wesley Crusher).'

Uh, wow. Uhhh... you're a woman... well that explains it. XD

Blogger Darwinian Arminian September 26, 2017 1:46 PM  

The new Klingons are also incredibly devoted to the idea of Klingon culture above all else — T'Kuvma, the Klingon leader, has a rallying cry of “Remain Klingon,” and while he is (relative to the other Klingon houses) open to accepting any Klingon, even those considered to be outcasts, he loathes the Federation ideals of equality, diversity, and peace.

(Stifles a yawn) These new Klingons sound suspiciously similar to the old Klingons. And given what viewers have responded to in the past, I somehow suspect that the Star Trek showrunners' plans to push the Klingons as a deliberately self-interested and identitarian warrior race may produce a somewhat different reaction than they're expecting. There's already some precedent for it. Apparently in the early years of ST:TNG, there was an episode where a dying Romulan official is brought on board the Enterprise, where the ship's medical examiners reveal that his life can be saved if he receives a transfusion of Klingon blood. But Lt. Worf, the only Klingon aboard, refuses to grant any aid or comfort to a sworn enemy of both his ship and his people and stubbornly holds his ground as the Romulan dies in sick bay and his crew mates beg him to show compassion. The actor who played Worf was deeply unhappy with this turn in the script and tried to get the writers to change it, believing that viewers would only see his character as either a racist or a cold-hearted villain after taking such an action. He was wrong; fans ended up loving the episode and took a new interest in Worf to where he eventually became one of the series' most popular characters.

I'll make a prediction right now: If the new Star Trek features Klingons written as the outer-space equivalent of the nationalist #MAGA crowd they'll "unexpectedly" end up being the series' new fan favorites. And then maybe if the showrunners are smart enough to notice this (big if), we can look forward to the next series of Star Trek: Discovery opening with a premiere in which the Klingons sack the Federation ship in battle and thereafter become the show's new protagonists.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 1:46 PM  

@122

Well of course. Who'd want to be in a dead man's pair of shoes? It's just weird unless you're into necrophilia. /smh.

Anonymous FP September 26, 2017 1:55 PM  

With STD and the apparent legal issues over what can and can't be used with "prime" timeline and the JJ movies, they should have gone with a new timeline. Sure seems like they did but are lying about it to not anger fans, on top of all the sjw virtue signalling.

I missed the first 20 minutes but I did get to see the amusing sight of the sassy black number one, take a giant number two right on the bridge. That Chinese captain chick didn't even have the balls to phaser stun her was majorly disappointing.

I guess I could say the visuals and effects were nice. That they end on a cliff hanger and pimp their streaming service with episode 2 being available right now was just the cherry on top. $6 per month with ads, $10 without ads. Good luck with that CBS.

Anonymous CarpeOro September 26, 2017 2:18 PM  

"Basically STD was to entice subscribers."

STDs are never enticing. Keeping true to form.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2017 2:21 PM  

@59

Nigga please. The Warhammer 40K universe possesses much larger general scope and power (barring the various god-like entities in Star Trek and certain, rarely seen, future versions of certain factions). Even in the 41st Millennium, the IoM could conquer the mundane factions of Trek any day of the week.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 26, 2017 2:24 PM  

"Captain, the Klingons are misgendering us!" the comms officer shouted. "Our shields won't protect us!" xhie cried strongly and confidently.

"All nonessential crew to their safe spaces. Commander, prepare to report this Klingon harassment to Starfleet. The Federation will protest directly to the High Council. And once you've prepared the report, all officers are relieved until further notice. I will person the bridge."

"Captain, you can't!" protested Commander Shaqonda. "The Klingons won't stop misgendering you. Soon they'll be sending you their dankest memes."

"It's alright, commander. This isn't the first time my genderfluidity has been mocked. The Poz will protect me."

Anonymous Nibiru September 26, 2017 2:32 PM  

@55. Try the two ST:Enterprize `In A Mirror Darkly` episodes. All hail the Terran Empire!.

Blogger 1201 Alarm September 26, 2017 3:03 PM  

I tried watching the pilot. I was shocked to learn that it was possible to screw up Star Trek and order of magnitude beyond what JJ did. What a stupid show.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 26, 2017 3:11 PM  

@128 I agree that's why Warhammer is more of an anthesis of Star Trek than a direct comparison.

Blogger Matt September 26, 2017 3:48 PM  

Klingons were akways into being syrictly Klingon. And they always worshipped Kahless. And Riker DID turn down command of his own vessel.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton September 26, 2017 4:17 PM  

CORRECTING A MIS-SPELLING: Correct initial of the second word in the title is D as in D for delta, i.e.: Star Drek.

This is how I have always thought of it. Last night's intro to STD failed to change that opinion.

Blogger Skyler the Weird September 26, 2017 7:30 PM  

Star Wreck. To boldly go to a bathroom where none of the 78 representations of gender have gone before.

Blogger Daniel September 26, 2017 9:13 PM  

apart from some anime, the only original stuff lately is rick and morty. Awesome show and truly original plots

Blogger Silly but True September 26, 2017 10:29 PM  

Star Trek is actually two brands, thanks to short-sightedness hobbling the franchise in a way which likely can never be repaired.

Back in 2006, Viacom split into two corporations. CBS became a stand-alone entity, with most of the cable channels along with Paramount Pictures staying within Viacom.

The issue for "Star Trek" as a brand then is that CBS owns Star Trek as a whole, and always takes a cut, and is the only company that can make a Star Trek TV show, whereas Viacom and Paramount own the Star Trek film library along with sole right to make Star Trek feature films.

It's a bifurcated system that only Hollywood greed could break so bad.

Moonves occasionally comments on chance of a Viacom / CBS re-merger and it lies somewhere between Scalzi spontaneously willing himself to grow a set of balls from his vagina and none.

Blogger LordSomber September 26, 2017 11:09 PM  

Will the Tribbles now come within Trigger Warnings? ('Tribble Warnings?)

Blogger LordSomber September 26, 2017 11:12 PM  

Is "Thou shalt not offend" the new Prime Directive?
Or maybe "Pander to the smallest slice of your demographic pie you can find."

Blogger bruce September 27, 2017 3:40 AM  

Klingons have gone from a 1960s racial slur against Russians to a 1990s racial slur against blacks to a 2017 racial slur against Trump. It's nothing to me.

What would a deconverged Trek look like? NASA footage everywhere. Set in a near enough future to include the laser launch systems from Pournelle's Exile to Glory and Dean Ing's The Big Lifters, maybe Michael and the stovepipes from Footfall. Lot of NASA footage available. Amy SF show that used it would rock.

Blogger LP9 September 27, 2017 4:56 PM  

St. Mark Dice posted a video of the new stars of ST kneeling regarding the NFL.

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