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Saturday, September 16, 2017

Darkstream: the Great Gab Meltdown

I didn't really need to talk. Andrew - or someone in control of the @getongab account who talked as if he was Andrew - showed up and demonstrated most of my points rather effectively.

Seriously, this is easily as crazy as anything the show Silicon Valley ever produced. What do they drink out there anyhow and is the effect permanent?

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Anonymous Faceless September 16, 2017 9:09 PM  

I couldn't see the comments and had to watch it again, because I did not believe it was going to be possibly as bad as it was sounding. I've seen this behavior before - startup gets a little money, people lose their minds, startup crashes and burns. It's time to pray for Mr. Torba, because a sudden influx of somebody else's money can be cancerous.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 16, 2017 9:15 PM  

VD
What do they drink out there anyhow and is the effect permanent?



as i pointed out when this first blew up, Derpa's behavior is easily explained if he's snorting coke ... or some other illicit substance.

in fact, this whole thing reminds me of that Finnish app company which included things like the CEO crapping all over potential investors and strippers being hired for parties in the office, etc.

Gab's officers are acting in direct violations of their own standards.

is that really an accident?

or have upper level management been getting pharmaceutical boosts, believing that the universe will now comport to their changing whim?

this will be most high lighted if Vox wins suit for Gab failing to moderate speech ...

and Gab simultaneously loses suit v. Goolag for failing to moderate.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 16, 2017 9:15 PM  

That was bad. I don't think I've seen a CEO have a public meltdown like that, ever.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 16, 2017 9:16 PM  

What do they drink out there anyhow and is the effect permanent?

Soy lattes, and it depends on how early in life they start.

Blogger modsquad September 16, 2017 9:19 PM  

Persnickity.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 16, 2017 9:19 PM  

I feel sorry for Andrew. This thing is a train wreck, but he's the one driving. At some point that may dawn on him.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 9:25 PM  

Watch a yt vid by Douglas Ernst (comic book anti-SJW) who mentioned Sun Tzu's maxim:

know yourself and your enemy and you will win every battle. Do not know yourself or your enemy, and you'll lose every time.

Blogger Shamgar September 16, 2017 9:29 PM  

Will Vox remove Torba's foreword from SJWADB now?

Anonymous Icicle September 16, 2017 9:34 PM  

Yeah these are definitely the Crazy Years.

Blogger The Waldensian September 16, 2017 9:37 PM  

Gab Götterdämmerung.

Blogger Frenzy September 16, 2017 9:37 PM  

I'm mostly here for the great Castalia content, and the positive insights that help me to look at life more clearly, so I generally stay away from drama stuff like Gab. I could not believe how he was acting, and that he thinks this is him winning. Why is he even trying to "win" in such a petty way?

It's one thing to try to protect his users above all else, but he's acting just like them as a public CEO... How could anyone trust Gab after watching that periscope?

Boasting about how well known he is has got to be the most comical part. He went on a basic cable new show, so he's big stuff now. You mean basic cable, which is dying and no one cares about? Does he not realize that there are a dozen guests each night on Fox News who are never heard from again?

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 16, 2017 9:40 PM  

I loved him responding to you saying he isn't ready for prime time by proclaiming his ascension to prime time. Curious how far down the rabbit hole you have to be to think that response makes any sense whatsoever.

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 9:41 PM  

Yeah, very are dicey. Instead of listening while cleaning or cooking, I sat to watch the comments, wow.

I am appalled but objective, Team Day's, team ilk even though I am not part of the group, whatever I can do to help I will do like document, screenshot etc.

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@JudgeDread has repeatedly argued that Vox Day's end game is to destroy GAB and burn them down. That is simply not true and he is lying. The facts of the case were for your benefit. Subpoena for information does not equal "burning down GAB" ...

Blogger Guitar Man September 16, 2017 9:42 PM  

The only people I know who watch Fox News are elderly boomers with TV addictions.

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 9:43 PM  

Agreed, here for Castalia House and also for Jerry's life work, God bless everyone.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 9:46 PM  

@Lovekraft

The funny thing is that Trump is pretty much the one that brought Sun Tzu into the business realm for discussion. It was a big thing for a while. With him being President, it's also gotten big again. Though it's a little sad we can't get beyond the baseline Insights he provides in the Ways of War.

Blogger Shell September 16, 2017 9:50 PM  

That's the biggest thing I don't get about Torba's behavior. He thinks he's winning, but he comes off as an ass. I've lurked here for a while and I respect Vox for many of his very valuable posts, but I don't consider myself a part of anything beyond the readership here. Im not in the club. I was hoping Gab would be a successful platform to fight the culture war from since the current state of affairs scares me and Im ready to do something about it. From my perspective it seems like Torba wants Gab to be a gladiatorial colloseum where people no-holds-barred tear each other to shreds and he wants in on the action. A CEO wanting to engage in schoolyard level bickering, smh. Meanwhile, most of what I see coming from the Vox side of things is really people trying to twist what actually happened into the narrative that fits their ideas of Vox as the loser bad guy. I even finally had to unfollow Amy Torba since she seems to have joined the disinformation bandwagon and I'm tired of reading about it.

Blogger Lazarus September 16, 2017 9:51 PM  

Twitter board meeting CEO: How can we crush Gab?

Twitter board meeting lawyer: We don't have to. The Alt-Retard will.

Twitter CEO: Who do they work for?

Twitter Lawyer: Exactly.

Blogger Dave September 16, 2017 9:56 PM  

Goolag's legal department must be laughing their asses off.

Blogger SmockMan September 16, 2017 9:58 PM  

account deleted. oh well twitter is more fun.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 16, 2017 10:00 PM  

Vox thank your measured and composed response. I guess this is old hat for you and the Dread Ilk but a lot of us newer (younger) guys haven't seen this happen before. You set a tremendous example. God bless.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 16, 2017 10:00 PM  

Cocaine is a hell of a drug???

Anonymous Justin Bailey September 16, 2017 10:01 PM  

Imagine joining Gab after he was on Tucker and the first thing you see is him reposting praise for allowing libel from an accouts like "Hitler Was Right.". A week later he's saying doxxing isn't against the TOS, then personally advocates swatting somebody.

Blogger Zimri September 16, 2017 10:01 PM  

"Will Vox remove Torba's foreword from SJWADB now?"

What a sh..show.

Blogger Guitar Man September 16, 2017 10:05 PM  

Did you call me old, DissidentRight?

Blogger Breadbasket September 16, 2017 10:08 PM  

I sent comments, but did not go through. I am on VD's side. Have been reading him for 15 yrs, so the idiots at GAB have blown my mind. I wanted to support an alternative to Twitter, but cannot now. Too bad.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable September 16, 2017 10:11 PM  

When I was in college I had some bored rich friends who liked to dabble in this, that or the other recreational pharmaceutical. They all agreed that coke made people paranoid, way more than pot.

But of course meth is the worst, so if Torba is gay, that would explain a lot.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 16, 2017 10:13 PM  

this is Charlie "Tiger Blood" Sheen levels of winning.

*cops take away Charlie's kids*

...

like i said, Derpa is 'winning' ... because he says so.

and he's the Alpha. so you know he can't be wrong.

Blogger Zimri September 16, 2017 10:13 PM  

Breadbasket - yeah. All Torba had to do was to say - "whoa, let me talk to my lawyers" and then talk to his lawyers. And then strike down whatever illegal activity the lawyers identified on his site.

Most people, including and maybe especially VD, would have praised Torba for owning the problem and acting on it.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 16, 2017 10:16 PM  

SciVo de Plorable September 16, 2017 10:11 PM
But of course meth is the worst, so if Torba is gay, that would explain a lot.



oh, come now. Torba wears flannel shirts and uses an axe to chop firewood. how could you possibly confuse him for being a fag?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2017 10:18 PM  

Cocaine is a hell of a drug???

I was around for 1980s and I missed that possibility?

I hadn't really considered it but now I'm wondering. It does kind of fit the behavior changes.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 10:22 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Really disappointing to see Torba acting like a petulant child.

That's what's stood out to me since the beginning of this. But I'm an old man, so I don't grok the hip lingo of the younger generation of tech wizards, so I tried to make allowances for the "lol"s and such in communications about a serious situation. Shouldn't have bothered. They're not young, they're childish.


I told a young man several years ago that using lol in ordinary commmunication was unmasculine. He looked at me in befuddlement.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 10:22 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Cocaine is a hell of a drug???

I was around for 1980s and I missed that possibility?

I hadn't really considered it but now I'm wondering. It does kind of fit the behavior changes.


Super intense, unstable, paranoid personality?

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare September 16, 2017 10:22 PM  

@Shell (9/16/2017 9:50 PM)

You've pretty much precisely described my own perspective. ...sorcerer... *suspicious glare*

Seriously though, I can't watch the periscope (I'm really reluctant to open/create an account with them) but just reading Torba's Gab timeline (or whatever the correct term is) is making me wonder if he has absolutely lost his freaking mind...

Randazza doesn't (afaik) generally take clients/cases he doesn't believe in, but that doesn't mean his clients can't be nutty as a fruitcake, heh. Still, that *has* to be a headache for him.

Torba...needs to take several deep breaths, and possibly a mild sedative/tranquilizer for his (apparently, completely shattered) nerves, in my opinion. My goodness.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 10:29 PM  

@ Zimri: Exactly what I was advocating on gab from the beginning: step back, let the issues come to the fore to be discussed, and ignore the trolls and gammas. But at every turn I was attacked. Today was the last straw with Torba calling me out after I told him to check his ego (which was a subtle signal for his minions to pile on). While gab had promise to be a great source of Trump momentum, it turned out the opposite (remember: initial co-founder of gab is a anti-Trump Turkis muslim, as indicated in the lawsuit. Yes, I read the whole thing yesterday).

@DissidentRight: you've come of age at an amazing and scary time. Amazing compared to me living under pre-internet Political Correctness where there was basically NO resources like Vox Popoli. I had to learn how to navigate by being in the trenches, reading solid philosophy etc). Your generation has so much of the facade torn away (Bush neo-con, Obama/Clinton, globalism etc) but I advise that you develop quickly a solid moral/spiritual foundation because things definitely are heating up. Learn to step outside.

Final point: I shouldn't have to remind people that one should only really follow one true leader (Jesus Christ) and not to elevate anyone beyond the respect that is due them. Hero worship means putting your eggs all in one basket, so to speak. Be fluid and adaptable.


Anonymous Irredeemable Deplorable September 16, 2017 10:30 PM  

It is stunning that GAB is so unprofessional from the get go.

A dispute with a user should be handled privately, nobody should even know any of this was happening, unless Vox chsoe to disclose it, no? Or am I just unrealistic.

Never mind getting into public trashing of all and sundry in public across various platforms that are all recorded. An epic train wreck for the archives of internet history.

Maybe a book, "How Not To Blow Up Your Own Company, Like Gab!"

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2017 10:31 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Cataline Sergius wrote:Cocaine is a hell of a drug???

I was around for 1980s and I missed that possibility?

I hadn't really considered it but now I'm wondering. It does kind of fit the behavior changes.


Super intense, unstable, paranoid personality?


Bingo!

The tell there is calling Vox, "a traitor."

I could easily be wrong but that said it fits. And it has apparently become quite the thing in Silicon Valley.

"Hey, it just keeps me on my feet and keeps me sharp. I haven't had more than fifteen hours sleep this week and I'm doing great!"

The insidious thing about Blow is how it makes you think you are in complete control of your addiction.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 16, 2017 10:31 PM  

Yeah. "Coked out" is definitely what it looks like. That would explain Torbas 80s-style fetishization of "free" libertarian speech.

He's the Morton Downey Junior of the Millenial set. Oh well. Gab was kind of fun while it lasted.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 16, 2017 10:36 PM  

And if gab has seriously gotten itself into a coke habit,

https://www.altamirarecovery.com/blog/cocaine-addiction-amongst-tech-workers-in-silicon-valley/

Blogger lowercaseb September 16, 2017 10:37 PM  

Man....this is heartbreaking. I'd liked Torba for his big ol' balls to tell Silicon VAlley to shove it while still living here. I hope he can turn it around...but I can't get behind the guy with those public chest thumping videos against VD. Our host was the reason I became a member of Gab in the first place.

What a damn shame. This didn't need to go down like this.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 10:41 PM  

So Torba is a Silicon Valley version of Charlie Sheen?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2017 10:43 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:So Torba is a Silicon Valley version of Charlie Sheen?

I have no way of knowing. It just seems to fit is all.

Blogger lowercaseb September 16, 2017 10:51 PM  

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Blogger lowercaseb September 16, 2017 10:53 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:So Torba is a Silicon Valley version of Charlie Sheen?

I don't think it'd drugs personally. Hubris predates cocaine. I think it's stress and an echo chamber rooting him and @U on to poor decisions.

I remember seeing a mini version of the freakout back in the early days of gab when they had the volunteers crisis. I not familiar with the details of that, but they ended up booting a lot of their early volunteers. They had every right to do so, but I kinda remember this level of public vitriol from him and his wife toward the volunteers that could have be handled behind the scenes.

Like I said...it's a damn shame. I liked his scrappy personality, but I guess he need to learn the "criticize in private" thing better.

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 10:55 PM  

Far more interesting than Gab vs. VD is going to be Microchunkychip vs. VD.

It looks like he has focused his autism on Vox. Even if his current line of attack is unworkable, he will iterate until he finds something that sticks.

Blogger Nate September 16, 2017 10:56 PM  

In the end... People will blame Vox for Gab's death... but it was killed by Torba's insanely unprofessional behavior.

Anonymous Luke September 16, 2017 11:00 PM  

➤ Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 10:22 PM
Cataline Sergius wrote:
"Cocaine is a hell of a drug???

I was around for 1980s and I missed that possibility?

I hadn't really considered it but now I'm wondering. It does kind of fit the behavior changes.


Super intense, unstable, paranoid personality?"


Sounds a lot like the fired scammer-in-chief over at Uber Cab, Travis "High" Kalanick. I haven't heard much about that crook since their Board of Directors canned him. I wonder what he's up to these days; fighting multiple extradition orders, or I miss my guess.

Anonymous noxious windy September 16, 2017 11:01 PM  

A word I haven't seen used yet to describe Torba is megalomaniac. Nobody else turns on putative allies so quickly. He thinks he's going to ride the frog to riches and wealth. I get the idea that he wants to have the Dan Bilzerian lifestyle and be a conspicuous consumer like the Snapchat guy.

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 11:05 PM  

Yes gab was unprofessional from 10/2017, I was hesitant from the start but gave it a try.

I dont want Wright, Jack or Cerno or Milo attacked here, they are all wonderful men; family men, good men etc., thank you Vox and moderators Admins.

Blogger Quilp September 16, 2017 11:12 PM  

Libertarians are like a disloyal spouse, always siding with the hippie in-laws on issues of importance.

Anonymous MyDeadGrampa September 16, 2017 11:17 PM  

Was that verifiably Torba in the comments?

'Not angry, just disappointed' summed it up.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 11:18 PM  

@noxious windy

I never quite got that impression. Because of my offset time schedule compared to the States, I'd see him posting both late & early. He's been burning the candle hard at both ends, and that can cause a lot of problems. And, for what he was doing, being quite the salty bastard helps, but you need to know when to be in Business Mode.

Still, the reason I was pretty high on Gab is I can see the direction where this would all work. It's really more of a Payment Processing System. It's pretty much microtransactions, but that's the key for a non-VC Controlled platform. The power of the design stays, even if Gab is unlikely to be the one to pull it off.

If you really want to begin the change to Alt-Tech, it's about getting the cost of transactions online down about 99%.

Blogger Michael Maier September 16, 2017 11:18 PM  

"stutter if you miss Pyschosonik"

Good times...

Anonymous DissidentRight September 16, 2017 11:18 PM  

Guitar Man wrote:Did you call me old, DissidentRight?

IMO you’re not old until you have grandkids.

Lovekraft wrote:@DissidentRight: you've come of age at an amazing and scary time. Amazing compared to me living under pre-internet Political Correctness where there was basically NO resources like Vox Popoli. I had to learn how to navigate by being in the trenches, reading solid philosophy etc). Your generation has so much of the facade torn away (Bush neo-con, Obama/Clinton, globalism etc) but I advise that you develop quickly a solid moral/spiritual foundation because things definitely are heating up. Learn to step outside.

That I’ve got. I was homeschooled and my dad was into creation/evolution. I’m only now realizing _how_ fortunate I was. There but for the grace of God…

one should only really follow one true leader (Jesus Christ) 

True, but “My kingdom is not of this world.” Saving the West is up to men.

OpenID Micus Expectorus September 16, 2017 11:22 PM  

Far more interesting than Gab vs. VD is going to be Microchunkychip vs. VD.

It looks like he has focused his autism on Vox. Even if his current line of attack is unworkable, he will iterate until he finds something that sticks.


I engaged microsperg on Gab about programming, and honestly he's all talk. He said he'd keep going, outlast me, and then promptly stopped after I knocked him around. I pointed out I was just keeping him distracted, and triggering him into showing everyone what an overconfident a-hole he is. He obliged in spades.

Based on his own posted code and his descriptions, I'd peg him as a mid-talent programmer. He discovered Neon (more or less the ARM SIMD instruction set) and now thinks he's a god who runs circles around me. Nevermind I've probably been doing SIMD longer than he's been a programmer at all.

His hubris is off the charts, and his over-the-top presentation leaves him many, many blind spot. He can keep iterating, but his ego makes him highly susceptible to the new shiny thing to sperg about, so it wouldn't take much of a psy-op to lead him off in some other direction.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 16, 2017 11:26 PM  

Yep. He's a soft target hunter. The hard ones scare him off and some day he is going to step on a hard target landmine. He'll be lucky if his clown flower squirter makes it out in one piece.

OpenID Micus Expectorus September 16, 2017 11:30 PM  

Somebody's going to take his ice cream cone, and he'll scream. Maybe his intrisics skills will get him another one.

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 11:47 PM  

It's his persistence and the fact that he'll hang out on twitter 12 hours a day, not his programming skills.

I'm just saying... I wouldn't brush him off. I've seen him start campaigns that seemed silly and then find the MSM talking about it withing 72 hours. He was responsible for the Paul Ryan endorses Antifa stories, as well as the Antifa is a terrorist organization petition (he wrote it).

I highly doubt there is a shred of truth to his "vox is going to jail" claims, but the point is, he will try all kinds of shit until he can find something that can cause some sort of tangible damage.

Blogger Kristophr September 16, 2017 11:52 PM  

Welp, I got a bunch of pedophile accusations for posting in support for VD.

Just deleted my account. If Torba wants to make his service a Swastica Panty hangout, I see no value in it.

Blogger Montrose September 16, 2017 11:52 PM  

I have not been following this too closely (internet drama is interesting but I don't have the time). Can't this be solved by eight to sixteen hours on a private skype call?

Anonymous Kat September 16, 2017 11:53 PM  

Vox - really appreciate the time you've spend doing the periscopes. I have to wonder if these spergs and tards hate you because they hate their fathers and/or simply have no pattern for fatherhood because you really come across as fatherly in some of your scopes. By which I mean you contain the capacity to beat their asses or nourish them with your wisdom and experience depending on their actions. Unfortunately these storm poopers are like teenagers who came home with an STD after sleeping with a crack whore and don't understand why good ol' dad is less than amused.

Blogger Kristophr September 16, 2017 11:55 PM  

Montrose wrote:I have not been following this too closely (internet drama is interesting but I don't have the time). Can't this be solved by eight to sixteen hours on a private skype call?

Nope. Torba is apparently proud of letting a bunch of NaziLARPers spam pedo libel at their enemies, and won't even simply delete the posts.

Torba has picked a very strange hill for Gab.ai to die upon.

OpenID Micus Expectorus September 17, 2017 12:00 AM  

He already thinks he won, so I doubt it. And the fact that he hangs out on twitter and gab 12 hours a day is exactly why I went after him about his programming skills. He clearly gets no work done, and is resting on his laurels. That portends some weaknesses that can be exploited.

He thinks he's responsible for those stories, but I think that's a stretch. And how has he proved he wrote that petition? Has he linked it to his real name, or is he just staking out ground he doesn't actually own? (He does this regarding his programming chops, so color me skeptical about any other claims he makes about what he accomplishes.)

Here's the problem: even if you're right, Vox is a hard target. If he spergs out forever trying to find a metaphorical chink in the armor, he's gonna get a metaphorical sword through the neck. He's not nearly as powerful nor popular as he thinks he is. He's a gnat in the grand scheme of things.

Blogger SirHamster September 17, 2017 12:09 AM  

I had thought things were going in a positive direction for Gab mid week ... This Darkstream brutally laid out the failures from a business standpoint.

Still, learn to fail fast, and identify the failure points. The intangible lessons I'm learning second-hand here are probably a great return on what little I spent on Gab.

I'm a little surprised at some of the mistakes Torba is making, but he is in his mid 20s.

Anonymous Battlefrog September 17, 2017 12:10 AM  

Micus Expectorus wrote:And how has he proved he wrote that petition?

I saw him tweet it when it had 0 signatures.

I also watched him lay the traps for Paul Ryan, then saw most of what he planned happen in reality. It was quite an uncanny experience.

Micus Expectorus wrote:Here's the problem: even if you're right, Vox is a hard target.

That's why I started out by saying this is going to be interesting.

Anonymous vfm September 17, 2017 12:14 AM  

"His hubris is off the charts..."

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Blogger Kristophr September 17, 2017 12:17 AM  

If you have to ask if you are a member of the Dunning-Kruger club, you are already a member.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 17, 2017 12:18 AM  

and it looks like Ivan Throne is drawing a lot of fire.

The 'tism levels are rising... This could be a weekend to remember.

Anonymous Make Way For Gab September 17, 2017 12:19 AM  

you really come across as fatherly

I agree - fatherly. Yesterday's news.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 17, 2017 12:21 AM  

It will be interesting to see if the autism is spent after the targets leave the platform. This could all fly apart with them as spun up as they are now. GAB might not last the month.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 17, 2017 12:27 AM  

Lotta cocaine DEFAMATION.

Blogger Kristophr September 17, 2017 12:33 AM  

Charlottesvillain: You will need to be more specific in your choice of handle.

I'm not sure if what flavor of socialist LARPer you are. Do you wear Swastica panties or Hammer&Sickle panties?

Blogger lowercaseb September 17, 2017 12:35 AM  

Man of the Atom wrote:It will be interesting to see if the autism is spent after the targets leave the platform. This could all fly apart with them as spun up as they are now. GAB might not last the month.

I know I sound like a broken record, but what a shame. I didn't see the Gab Wants War post earlier tonight. What a shitshow...I've got no urge to do business with someone that goes after people's wives.

I was mostly a cheerleader on Gab so it's no great loss, but I'm going to miss your posts there MotA.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 17, 2017 12:39 AM  

Kristophr wrote:Charlottesvillain: You will need to be more specific in your choice of handle.

I'm not sure if what flavor of socialist LARPer you are. Do you wear Swastica panties or Hammer&Sickle panties?


lulz, how VP converged of you to say that. Er1's a Nazi now, and lib'ruls are the real Nazis.

Sorry to disappoint you, but my handle refers to my location.

Blogger Kristophr September 17, 2017 12:44 AM  

I think we'll all be called Nazis, at least for fifteen minutes.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 17, 2017 12:50 AM  

It is cocaine speculation, not defamation, moron. "Moron" isn't defamation, either.

You are having so many problems keeping score.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 17, 2017 1:08 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:It is cocaine speculation, not defamation, moron. "Moron" isn't defamation, either.

You are having so many problems keeping score.

Thank heavens for that. I'd pity you if the Supreme Legal Legion of Doom had to be sicced on you.

Blogger Geoarrge September 17, 2017 1:11 AM  

@Kristophr
The future began a month ago.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 17, 2017 1:20 AM  

Of course, it is possible that Torba's bad reputation in SV is simply earned, and he, although completely sober, simply is too much of an emotionally incontinent millennial to run a business through completion. Maybe, realizing that Gab wasn't a viable play, he decided he no longer cared about it and felt free to sabotage it to an abortion. Maybe then it won't be his failure (in his mind) but he can pretend to have agency in killing it.

Maybe. But it is much better for his future entrepreneurial prospects if it just something fixable like coke. Clearly he is being completely irrational, in either case. It is just easier for a millenial to get sober than to grow out of gamma.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 17, 2017 1:28 AM  

lowercaseb wrote:

I know I sound like a broken record, but what a shame. I didn't see the Gab Wants War post earlier tonight. What a shitshow...I've got no urge to do business with someone that goes after people's wives.

Yes. Exactly.

I was mostly a cheerleader on Gab so it's no great loss, but I'm going to miss your posts there MotA.

Likewise, LCB!

Blogger Deo Volente September 17, 2017 1:36 AM  

Trainwreck indeed.

Blogger John Deer September 17, 2017 1:41 AM  

Fuck you Vox. Not even a Gab fan/ "alt retard". You are just that much of a worthless gamma.

Inb4 "Low IQ gamma". Whatever soothes your glass ego, pal.

Blogger Lemur September 17, 2017 2:16 AM  

Micro will return to twitter soon. Now we'll see who's ready for Prime Time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 17, 2017 3:07 AM  

Kristophr wrote:Torba has picked a very strange hill for Gab.ai to die upon.
The hill is not Gab or Free Speech.
The hill he has chosed to die on is his Secret Kingship.

And yes, the "We're gonna issue a bitcoin replacement and RULE THE WORLD" sounds like someone in the middle of a cocaine binge.

Anonymous KiriaSingsForMe September 17, 2017 3:14 AM  

Micro has declared a total war on Cernovich at least once, called the end of his career at least twice, and where he has ever expressed a political view, he is much closer to Vox than Torba on every issue.

And he's a bed wetting doody head.

Not saying Micro hasn't gotten shit done, but the people praying for based madman to make evil voxman go away are going to be disappointed.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar September 17, 2017 3:17 AM  

Wow. That was really weird. I had hoped that Gab would be an alternative, but poor management led to this really shitty situation.
I also do not believe they can recover. If they continue- it will only be a shadow of what they were.
I am very disappointed. Now it will take that much longer for an alternative to emerge.

Anonymous Jack September 17, 2017 3:23 AM  

If the drug is the echo chamber and not cocaine, then it's even worse. It's bad enough to lose your mind to a chemical, but to lose it to the cheers of AltRetard? How desperate for affirmation does a person need to be?

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 17, 2017 3:26 AM  

I'm just pissed off that I have to wait another year for Twitter 3.0.

Gab almost worked.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 17, 2017 3:31 AM  

VD: "... What do they drink out there anyhow ..."

Flavor Aid.

Blogger Koanic September 17, 2017 3:45 AM  

When Nate said Alt-Retards ruin everything, I never imagined...

That said, I still prefer the swastika to the American flag, because it is better to be overrun by slavs than spics.

Anonymous Difster September 17, 2017 3:54 AM  

I probably spent way too much time over at Gab triggering Micropenis than I should have. He's unhinged. His super power is autistic tweeting.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 17, 2017 4:01 AM  

I knew things were going south when Gab took down its live funding meter. I wonder how many months of those were lies. Obviously they don't treat their TOS seriously, so I doubt very much that their financial targets and reports were terribly neat.

Still, it was a good idea. The next service should post transparent numbers as a fundraiser. It was not annoying at all, in contrast to Wikipedia begging, and probably did inspire some passion in donors.

I don't think the next one should rely on investors, though. It just isn't a normal moneymaking product in that way. It is more of a patreon-style service. Some people are willing to pay for everyone else, and that's where any marginal money will be.

Blogger Retrenched September 17, 2017 4:01 AM  

Torba's recent behavior reminds me more of Herb Abrams than Jim Jones.

http://masshysteriasports.blogspot.com/2008/09/wrestlers-of-yore-herb-abrams.html?m=1

Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 4:05 AM  

John Deer wrote:Fuck you Vox. Not even a Gab fan/ "alt retard". You are just that much of a worthless gamma.

Inb4 "Low IQ gamma". Whatever soothes your glass ego, pal.


A very persuasive argument, I must say. Well put!

Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 4:09 AM  

Unfortunately, it now seems that Andrew Torba is not incredibly smart or over-brimming with wisdom.

"When small men attempt great enterprises, they always end by reducing them to the level of their mediocrity."
Napoleon

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 17, 2017 4:45 AM  

Seriously though, I can't watch the periscope (I'm really reluctant to open/create an account with them

You don't have to create an account. I didn't. Just click on the Darkstream link above.

Blogger Retrenched September 17, 2017 4:48 AM  

Well met indeed, this battle of wits is over

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 5:37 AM  

@Wolfman at Large

The real key to a "Twitter 3.0" is that DeadBird is already cooked. So any "microblogging" platform has a few things it has to cover: functional ways to communicate. People don't really get that DeadBird is very much a PR Platform first. It's pretty terrible at everything else it does.

That's the reason people still use Twitter & why Trump is King of Twitter. It's part PR & part Fist Fight. No other platform is going to have that going for it, so you need to take some form of approach that allows Companies to promote themselves and for News Distribution. That's about 1/2 of the function of the platform.

The other 1/2 of the platform is ways of talking politics & jokes and just general other things in a self-segregating manner. This is the problem with all other Social Media Platforms: if something goes "viral", you're going to be brigaded, hard, now. So rather than self-segregating, what we've really got is a very uneasy truce all of the time.

Oddly, this is why the real approach is to replaced... PayPal. Not joking. A microtransaction platform is the real key. You need for people to use your service all of the time, and people will gift small amounts to each other, regularly, for hilarious content. You need to give people the ability to "profit" from their content regularly.

This is why Gab could have made Billions, but the transition there was going to take time. Repeatedly shooting your platform in the foot is a good way to torpedo the situation. However, the structure still works, but there's a lot of work to build something like that. It'd work better as something like the "share on FB" button situation, so websites could get the benefit as well. Something like a true "Digital Wallet" situation.

But, building Finance Companies isn't something you can do in an ad hoc fashion. That requires a lot of planning. So, if anyone wants to take a crack at it, go for it.

Anonymous Icicle September 17, 2017 5:52 AM  

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/12/pro-trump-ceo-gets-booted-from-y-combinator/

Probably relevant.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 17, 2017 5:53 AM  

@Looking Glass

Oddly, this is why the real approach is to replaced... PayPal. Not joking. A microtransaction platform is the real key. You need for people to use your service all of the time, and people will gift small amounts to each other, regularly, for hilarious content. You need to give people the ability to "profit" from their content regularly.

And we have all gotten to know just how hilarious AltRetard humor is.

Blogger VD September 17, 2017 5:56 AM  

Probably relevant.

I don't think he was trying to burn the bridge to his subscribers either, but he appears to have managed to do so nevertheless.

Anonymous quayb September 17, 2017 6:12 AM  

Burning bridges isn't the sabotage I'm seeing in this case, it's more Tora Tora Tora aimed at the wrong party. Meme created specifically to illustrate: https://postimg.org/image/lq1duj7f9/

Anonymous quayb September 17, 2017 6:18 AM  

And I, of course, forgot to type it as Tor(b)a Tor(b)a Tor(b)a here, but at least got it on the meme.

Blogger VD September 17, 2017 6:30 AM  

That was pretty funny. I'll post it later.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 17, 2017 6:50 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

If the #AltRetards were off in their own little bubble and generally unable to effect much of the rest of the platform, it wouldn't matter. That should generally be the main idea for a functioning Social Media platform. This is why Facebook did better than the rest.

Social Media is always on a spectrum from GeoCities to IRC Chat. All we've done since the early 90s is try to figure out where on the spectrum is ideal. Depending on the other applications of the platform, it isn't always very clear.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 17, 2017 7:18 AM  

@quayb

Thread winner!

Blogger Dave September 17, 2017 8:42 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:@quayb

Thread winner!

Indeed. Beautiful.

Blogger James Dixon September 17, 2017 9:38 AM  

> I don't think I've seen a CEO have a public meltdown like that, ever.

And there's a reason for that. CEO's who act that way aren't CEO's for very long.

> All Torba had to do was to say - "whoa, let me talk to my lawyers" and then talk to his lawyers. And then strike down whatever illegal activity the lawyers identified on his site.

Yes. He could even still set up a log of the posts deleted (user and time stamp, but no content) and the given reason to preserve transparency (I was one of the ones who recommended that to him, though I doubt I was the only one).

> Seriously though, I can't watch the periscope (I'm really reluctant to open/create an account with them)

You don't have to create an account to watch the Vox's periscope's.

> A dispute with a user should be handled privately, nobody should even know any of this was happening, unless Vox chsoe to disclose it, no? Or am I just unrealistic.

No, you're absolutely correct.

> That said, I still prefer the swastika to the American flag

It's not like those are the only alternatives. I can think of three other options without even trying.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 17, 2017 9:43 AM  

remember: initial co-founder of gab is a anti-Trump Turkis muslim, as indicated in the lawsuit. Yes, I read the whole thing yesterday).

Which, if true (practicing Muslim.) means he already has poison inside his organization already. Posture all they like about free speech but someone starts a post pictures of Mohammad campaign or 24 hours of blaspheming the prophet and policies will magically change.

Anonymous Eduardo September 17, 2017 9:56 AM  

I think, smart phones need an account to watch periscope, while tablets and computers don't need

Blogger Dave September 17, 2017 10:11 AM  

I think, smart phones need an account

No, anything device that can access that webpage can view the periscope without an account

Anonymous Godfrey September 17, 2017 10:53 AM  

Is Alt-Tech dead? Was it killed in the cradle?

The Globalists must be laughing. The cos-play alt-Retards will destroy any chance humanity has to fight back.

Anonymous BBGKB September 17, 2017 11:28 AM  

Will Vox remove Torba's foreword from SJWADB now?

Perhaps it will get its own chapter?

co-founder of gab is a anti-Trump Turkis muslim...Posture all they like about free speech but someone starts a post pictures of Mohammad campaign or 24 hours of blaspheming the prophet and policies will magically change

I have been doing that for a while here is Mo with the piggies #NSFW https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/12248713


here is mo with piggies #NSFW

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 17, 2017 12:33 PM  

Dave wrote:No, anything device that can access that webpage can view the periscope without an account
If you can find a browser it actually works with that is.

OpenID franklinfreek September 17, 2017 1:10 PM  

I am sad to report that I have asked startengine to withdraw my investment in Gab. Oddly enough they haven't collected the money yet...

I pray that Torba asks for forgiveness and has more success next time.

Anonymous Ivan Throne September 17, 2017 1:11 PM  

For enjoyment:

http://www.captiongenerator.com/693732/The-Implosion-of-Gab

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger RobertT September 17, 2017 2:42 PM  

I can tell you this, the Silicon Valley has created a false economy. You can point to the big wins: Facebook, Google, Youtube. They all had great leadership. But many of the other ballyhooed startups have crashed or severely under performed. All of Elon Musk's current ventures (why is the government funding him?), airBNB, others. Many of the successes are just placeholders sitting on the market waiting for proliferation among two dozen competitors as the field matures. AirBNB?. They think they've got something, but they really need to sell. Twitter? But you see it most in those who sold, or are doing a startup with the intention of selling it. They have no concept of business. They think doing business right means get venture backing so you don't have to worry about cash flow, and play by the Silicon Valley rules. Today FAcebook, Google, Microsoft sit on the sidelines and goggle up any promising startup.

Blogger RobertT September 17, 2017 2:45 PM  

They are good at finding seams that the Global 500 don't see but will eventually capitalize on.

Blogger Abdul September 17, 2017 5:39 PM  

Cocaine… gee, I think I recall something about that with the Toronto feminists that went after Gregory Alan Elliott.

Possible the Liberal Party Crown Attorney likes marching powder as well, but I’d never want to insinuate something nasty and/or libellous about an officer of the court, especially one from such an esteemed political family.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar September 17, 2017 8:04 PM  

And now I am honestly afraid to be associated with this nut job.

Guess I should close it down now, before they do something really stupid and I get flagged as some sort of supporter.

I want my ten dollars back.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare September 18, 2017 5:00 AM  

@Snidely Whiplash
"If you can find a browser that it actually works with, that is."

Yeah, that's the problem. I've tried before, and it never seems to work, but the app requires an account.

Some kind person has been uploading them to YouTube though, so I've been able to see some of them there.

On a separate note, it's hard for me to find replies to my comments on my phone unless the person replying includes part of my handle (Bibliotheca Servare) in the reply so I can "find in page" for it. I don't think you've replied to me in this thread, but I figured I might as well let everyone know, for future reference.
:-)

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