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Saturday, September 09, 2017

Debate: National Socialism II

DEBATE: Andrew Anglin vs Vox Day on National Socialism (Saturday 11 am NYC Time)

Listen live here.

So, that was slightly less of a clown show than I expected. Although it was the first debate I've seen that the moderator lost. One thing I thought was interesting was the way Anglin did not reveal his Google pageviews. Based on the difference between his pre-prepared statement and his ability to argue from it, I would guess that several people were involved in writing it.

He provided a few informative statements. I don't recall them all, but I did note these:
  • "Nobody cares about the historical context of left and right."
  • "Everything that Hitler did served to support the order of nature."
  • "Liberalism was invented by Jews."
  • "I have never commented on your blog."
  • "Everywhere I look, behind every problem I have, I see hook nosed jews."
In my opinion, the actual debate ended here:

AA: Understanding Right wing is preservation of the natural order through tradition. Left wing is the push for equality to override the natural order.
VD: NSADAP Munich Manifesto, Point 9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

While the meta-debate ended here:

AA: Don't be Vox Day, Don't attack people on the same side as you.
VD: We're not on the same side.

My favorite take: "It's just bad PR for Vox Day, even if his rant was correct and Hitler was left wing, that has literally nothing to do with Andrew Anglin."

True enough. I can't argue with that.

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Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 10:42 AM  

The Anglin contingent is grunting away in the chat. I believe "Roll-tard" sums it up.

Anonymous BBGKB September 09, 2017 10:45 AM  

"Listen live here."

So we wont get to see Vox dance or spank Anglin?

Blogger wired216 September 09, 2017 10:49 AM  

I click the link I get "Video not playable"!!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 10:52 AM  

Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFyshlUgqjg

Blogger Student in Blue September 09, 2017 10:57 AM  

Well, hats off to Sir Groggy, apparently he triggered the poor children hard enough that they remembered his name.

Blogger wired216 September 09, 2017 10:57 AM  

Nope. I guess that is what I get for relying on a phone and not taking care of my laptop.

Blogger LP9 September 09, 2017 11:02 AM  

Fast start, first off he complains about Vox, says he is not acting in good faith. Wow, this will be interesting listening.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:02 AM  

THE MOST DISENFRANCHISED POLITICAL ACTIVIST IN THE HISTORY OF ALL TIME!!!

What a drama queen

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 11:05 AM  

LOL. Whiny. Whiny as hell. Also very self centered. Not addressing the issue at all. Instead all complaints about "Muh Feelz". So far coming off as a little bitch. Also he sounds extremely scripted. Probably because 10 people wrote his script.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky September 09, 2017 11:05 AM  

Anglin's pure ad hominem gambit is so lame. Pitiful, actually.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:05 AM  

Slander, lies, and orchestrated mob attacks--

Isn't that the Daily Stormer model?

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:05 AM  

Triggered.

He's not even addressing the point. He's just flinging poo to see what sticks.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables September 09, 2017 11:06 AM  

Anglin is bitching a lot about Vox, and completely ignoring the debate questions. Andrew, your personal issues are irrelevant to the question of whether National Socialism is of the left or the right.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 11:06 AM  

WOW. HE is complaining about mob attacks?

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 11:07 AM  

Anglin thus far: "I would never do/claim X". Then proceeds to do/claim X.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:07 AM  

This is not a game we are playing here...THIS IS VERY SERIOUS INTERNET BUSINESS

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 11:07 AM  

Hoping Vox doesn't take the bait. Point out that Anglin doesn't want to debate about NatSoc. because Anglin doesn't know half as much as Vox does about the topic.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:08 AM  

In the natural order, Anglin would have been left out to die in the wilderness

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 11:09 AM  

Who on Earth has ever claimed that the right wing is "based on the preservation of the natural order by the communication of tradition across generations"? Who the hell even thinks that's a political stance?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:10 AM  

"Yoof oriented humor"

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:10 AM  

He's equating Vox to an out of touch old boomer. Hah.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:11 AM  

Did he just say "I do identify with the collectivist aspect of National Socialism?"

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:11 AM  

Did he just say "collectives"?

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:12 AM  

He's a fucking crypto-socialist.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:12 AM  

Radical individualism is the Frankfurt School!!!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 11:13 AM  

This guy didn't do any homework whatsoever. He is exposing the fact that he is in fact alt-retard. I can't wait till his response to Vox. He is going to have nothing but whining from that point forward about ow his poor collective is put upon by all the world. It's funny he is addressing Vox's opinions from 8-10 years ago on the libertarian lines.

Light weight.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:13 AM  

He's a fucking crypto-socialist.

I don't think there's any crypto about it

Anonymous Passing through September 09, 2017 11:13 AM  

I am not, and never have been, a man of the right. My position was on the left and is now in the centre of politics.
Letter to The Times (26 April, 1968), p. 11
Oswald Mosley, British Union of Fascists

"Der Idee der NSDAP entsprechend sind wir die deutsche Linke… Nichts ist uns verhasster als der rechtsstehende nationale Besitzbürgerblock.“ [The idea of the Nazi Party is expressly that we are the German Left .. Nothing is more hated by us than the national property-owner's bloc](Joseph Goebbels, 1931 in "Der Angriff“)
http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html

According to Anglin, these two are practicing cuckservative arguments?

Blogger Hauen Holzwanderer September 09, 2017 11:13 AM  

I understand that Vox issued the challenge, so he had no choice but to accept when Anglin stepped up, but seriously, a duel of wits with an unarmed opponent is less of a slaughter and more of a joke. Alt-retard indeed.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:16 AM  

They sure did abolish classes...by killing them.

Anonymous Ain September 09, 2017 11:17 AM  

Reading prepared statements is little different from having a set of talking points. The lack of fluidity and inability to speak off the cuff betrays a lack of understanding. Notes are better than essays.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:19 AM  

Point 9

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

360 NO SCOPE HEADSHOT!!!

Blogger Were-Puppy September 09, 2017 11:19 AM  

The chat is hilarious - so many trolls there -

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:20 AM  

Best comment from the chat:

DeadMeat Slab​Vox is a faggot he is going to argue about national socialism not even knowing that Andrew isn't a national socialist

Blogger Goldeneye September 09, 2017 11:22 AM  

What's a good book about Chinese National Socialism?

Blogger Ransom Smith September 09, 2017 11:25 AM  

I've always imagined Andrew's fat head would make a great bowling ball.

Anonymous karsten September 09, 2017 11:26 AM  

Who on Earth has ever claimed that the right wing is "based on the preservation of the natural order by the communication of tradition across generations"? Who the hell even thinks that's a political stance?

I do.

I have no idea where that quote comes from (I'm not tuning in to this or any of these debates, which I consider to be worse than useless -- the usual infighting between parties that should at least be allies, if not comrades), but, in fact, that's actually very well stated. It's as good an expression of my own political stance as I've yet come across.

And as for the term "right wing," which seems to be defined by whoever is uttering it (case in point: National Review, for whom it means "more wars for Israel"), I would say that whether or not right-wing-ness is a good or a bad thing should be judged on the basis of how far being "right wing" does "preserve the natural order by the communication of tradition across generations." (I still want to know who formulated that statement. It's a serviceable one.) If it aids the preservation of the natural order via the communication of tradition, then that concept of "right wing" is laudable; if it impairs it, then that concept of "right wing" is toxic.

TL:DR -- "right wing" is a means, not an end. So, for that matter, is "individualism vs collectivism" and "liberatrianism vs statism" and the rest.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:26 AM  

What's a good book about Chinese National Socialism?

I would assume that the primary sources from Sun Yatsen and other founders of that party probably exist in translation on the internet. That would probably be the best place to start.

Blogger Salt September 09, 2017 11:28 AM  

The comments on the youtube. They are out in force it seems.

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 11:29 AM  

"If it aids the preservation of the natural order via the communication of tradition, then that concept of "right wing" is laudable; if it impairs it, then that concept of "right wing" is toxic."

*sigh*

Tradition and natural order are literally antithetical. That's the entire point of tradition - to prevent regression to a state of nature. Anglin's formulation is, in fact, a contradiction in terms.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:30 AM  

Minor point, but how in the hell can you mispronounce Mobil?

Anonymous Anonymous September 09, 2017 11:30 AM  

"I couldn't even hear what he was saying." He's not even taking this seriously.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:30 AM  

Back to written response. Oh boy, he's stepping in it now. He said he didn't know economics and is now addressing economics.

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 11:30 AM  

"Minor point, but how in the hell can you mispronounce Mobil?"

He probably thinks it's Jewish.

Anonymous HL September 09, 2017 11:31 AM  

Anglin reminds me of a D+ student struggling through reading their essay in front of the class. I used to think "Alt Retard" was funny. Now I know it's both funny and true.

Blogger Salt September 09, 2017 11:31 AM  

Anglin said, he doesn't care about history.

Anonymous karsten September 09, 2017 11:31 AM  

"Radical individualism is the Frankfurt School!!!"

Is this being shouted out as a quote from the chat for being wrong, or right? I think it's basically right (if not three exclamation marks' worth).

Fostering radical individualism among whites while encouraging other tribes -- especially THE (((tribe))) -- to foster their interests collectively is certainly one way in which the latter has ascended over the former. (I.e., whites hire on merit, other tribes say, "Screw merit, I'll hire my co-ethnics." This has directly led to the judeo-bolshevization of many university departments; indeed, of entire disciplines.) KMac has made this point before, and he's right.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 11:31 AM  

Anglin just lost. He has no response at all to Vox. He also is exposing the fact that he is a collective. He is sticking to his script an not straying to respond to Vox. This highly suggests that multiple people wrote this script and he is not at liberty to stray from it.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:31 AM  

Futurism is just a hiding place for your real socialistic approach.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 11:32 AM  

Karsten, if you're not going to listen to the debate, what the hell are you doing in this comment thread?

Blogger Salt September 09, 2017 11:32 AM  

Anglin - "Hitler served the order of nature"

By gassing.

Anonymous HL September 09, 2017 11:32 AM  

Anglin:
- We shouldn't focus on the historical context
- Let's talk about how great the Nazis were, historically, for the Germans.

Anonymous Passing through September 09, 2017 11:33 AM  

I was curious if Anglin would even begin the debate, what with his Slow Teleprompter Reading grievance mongering "I'm so wounded,I don't even know why I'm here?!??". Was Anglin kidnapped? Lol

He's doing nothing but repeating memes from the last two years. Do we have to put history on anime pictures to teach Andrew? He's even sleazier and jewier than I imagined. "Don't attack white advocates" that's all Anglin's ilk does. They intentionally tried to run RamZ and everyone else out. Now it's your turn, two face. A man who once put serious thought into "vegan skateboard shoes" can't be bothered to put thought into his own political position. Choke on that. Anglin cucks.

JACQUES ELLUL? Lol. He referenced Ellul! Ellul who quoted other scholars to argue Nazis descended from JACOBINS, The French Revolutionaries. As did Erik K-L, the Nazis were the children of the original Left. A normie friend reliably informed me this can be found in Stanley Payne's History of Fascism.

What am ignorant piker. Another Vox opponent folds. These guys aren't even having the same debate! Learn your lesson Andre, don't let the trs forums write your responses for you. Any notion that Anglin is intelligent just went out the door. Lol

Anonymous karsten September 09, 2017 11:37 AM  

"Tradition and natural order are literally antithetical. That's the entire point of tradition - to prevent regression to a state of nature. Anglin's formulation is, in fact, a contradiction in terms."

No. (Or to be more precise, these things differ based on race, but let's stick to whites, because that's the identity at issue here.)

For whites, the natural order was governed by an impulse towards beauty. Tradition reinforced this. That's why judeo-bolshevik modernism, and all of the isms that followed in its wake, was such a (conscious) attack on gentile essence and culture -- it contravened both natural order and tradition.

Likewise gender roles. Both the natural order and tradition were in accord on these. Likewise hierarchy.

I doubt it's "Anglin's formulation." I'm sure he picked it up from somewhere. The idea in general surely has a legacy; likely also the phrasing.

Blogger Goldeneye September 09, 2017 11:38 AM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:What's a good book about Chinese National Socialism?

I would assume that the primary sources from Sun Yatsen and other founders of that party probably exist in translation on the internet. That would probably be the best place to start.


Thanks Josh

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:38 AM  

Anglin pleads historical ignorance and revisionism to dodge the truth.

Anonymous Passing through September 09, 2017 11:38 AM  

" Goldeneye September 09, 2017 11:22 AM
What's a good book about Chinese National Socialism?"

I'd suggest AJ Gregor's book about Marxism and fascism in China. I haven't read it, but he's usually the expert."A Place in the Sun" I think.

Anonymous karsten September 09, 2017 11:39 AM  

Karsten, if you're not going to listen to the debate, what the hell are you doing in this comment thread?

Reading the commentary here for interest -- because, agree or disagree, I always find it interesting. If listening to the debate is a prerequisite for commenting myself, then I will certainly bow out, with no ill will.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:39 AM  

Now he pulls out the rage as a last result. Rage and run little nazi

Blogger M. Bibliophile September 09, 2017 11:40 AM  

Aaaaand the Gamma meltdown begins.

Anonymous HL September 09, 2017 11:41 AM  

It comes out in the open now. Anglin is having a severe identity crisis. The cognitive dissonance is stacking up.

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 11:43 AM  

"For whites, the natural order was governed by an impulse towards beauty. Tradition reinforced this. That's why judeo-bolshevik modernism, and all of the isms that followed in its wake, was such a (conscious) attack on gentile essence and culture -- it contravened both natural order and tradition."

Utter bullshit. The natural order of all humans has been polygamy, tribalism, incessant warfare, and rule by strength alone. The Romans (somewhat) solved the first only by strict enforcement of monogamy (and only in marriage - slaves and consorts were extremely common). They somewhat hammered the second with the Pax Romana, but that required brutally crushing a revolution somewhere every twenty years or so. They didn't solve the third and fourth.

Do you know what did? I'll wait.

Tribal elections, which long preceded the formulation of democracy, also served the purpose of preventing rule by force alone. That's tradition against nature.

Hell, marriage itself is a tradition designed to work against natural impulse.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous verryfunnyminion September 09, 2017 11:45 AM  

Boy, is that Anglin guy an idiot. If the historical context of the Nazis is unimportant, who are they were and what they said not relevant, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU LARP THEM YOU THUNDERCUNT?

The only thing the Alt-Retards seem to know is he hated the Jews and killed millions of them, while at the same time many of them also deny the Holocaust, yay critical thinking. Literally all that appears to matter to them is the anti-Jewness, cause that's just about all they seem to know about the Nazis beside the snappy uniforms and swastika.

And my God are they tediously, self-admittedly stupid in their comments. History is irrelevant, what actually happened was irrelevant, but the Notsees were totally pro-family, pro-white, pro-whatever because anti-Jew!

They're too stupid to even turn on the gas in the ovens they so wish they had.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 11:46 AM  

It's the JOOOOOOOOs. That's all he's got.

Anonymous Andrew E. September 09, 2017 11:47 AM  

Okay, now we're getting down to brass tacks. The question of the Jews is where this whole thing hinges.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky September 09, 2017 11:47 AM  

This was the first time I had heard Anglin. And hopefully it was the last time. He was pathetic.

Blogger Salt September 09, 2017 11:48 AM  

Vox quotes Anglin and Anglin goes apeshit.

[where's my popcorn]

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 11:48 AM  

A comment from chat:

Dolf ​VOX IS A JEW THAT'S THE ONLY EXPLINATION

Alt Reich have only got 1 answer for everything.

Anonymous polyhedron September 09, 2017 11:48 AM  

Andrew is as stupid and ignorant as he is duplicitous and puerile. History doesn't matter, any disagreements are just quibbling over semantics, Left and Right are meaningless terms but he's nevertheless definitely on the Right and any claim otherwise is an attack! Why can't we just focus on the Jews?!

Blogger Student in Blue September 09, 2017 11:48 AM  

I should've known it would've devolved into "da jeeeeeews"

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 11:48 AM  

The Anglin cries out as the strikes Vox.

Blogger M. Bibliophile September 09, 2017 11:48 AM  

Is anyone who isn't already an Anglin acolyte convinced by any of his babbling here? Serious question: he sounds like a whiny clown in this debate.

Blogger Hauen Holzwanderer September 09, 2017 11:49 AM  

@verryfunnyminion

Even if they did figure it out, about that time someone would decide it's time for a smoke break.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:49 AM  

Anglin is striking Vox and crying out in pain.

Blogger KSC September 09, 2017 11:49 AM  

On the one hand, I regret watching this; I feel that I've become objectively less smart. On the other hand,the sheer silliness on display is really something to behold. Wish Vox wasn't taking the bait, though.

Anonymous HL September 09, 2017 11:50 AM  

On the JQ, Anglin's such a binary thinker that he literally can't even THINK of an alternative. They might be partially responsible for many things, but blaming everything 100% on them? Come on. That's so intellectually weak.

Also, how many times does Vox have to tell him that they're not on the same side? Is Anglin trying to latch onto and leach off him?

Blogger Shamgar September 09, 2017 11:51 AM  

He really does blame Jews for EVERYTHING. I thought it was a joke the whole time.

Blogger Nate September 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

Tune in for 5 seconds... hear Anglin crying... "make shit up about me."

Yep... that's how I thought it would go.

Blogger Luke (alias "Lines With Chrome") September 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

"This is not going to make Vox Day look good!"

LULZ

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

Anglin is coming off like a complete child. The best part is the numerous admissions that he has no idea about history.

If anyone looks like a whiner it is Anglin. This whole thing is a joke. Anglin is an empty chair a la Obama.

Blogger OGRE September 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

The level of projection from Anglin is incredible. He could give lessons to the SJWs on it.

Anglin lost this debate--bigly--before Vox ever opened his mouth.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

@70
I'll give Anglin credit for showing up. He can't form a coherent argument and his monomania is tiresome. Resorting to insults is not winning any points either.

3/10 Anglin showed up and didn't have a complete meltdown.
10/10 Vox

Anonymous verryfunnyminion September 09, 2017 11:53 AM  

All together now, SJWs always?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 11:53 AM  

Anglin has a decent command of rhetoric but his dialectic is non-existent.

This was already known.

His position on the question is: I'm Right wing because I sez I is, so there.

Blogger Sentient Spud September 09, 2017 11:53 AM  

Anglin just got smoked.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2017 11:53 AM  

Left him speechless.

Anonymous Eduardo September 09, 2017 11:53 AM  

Vox, what kind of fudged up person are you!?!

Taking this obviously special needs child and give him a beating!?!

You should be ashamed!!!

Btw, it is because of the Jooooo's

Blogger Goldeneye September 09, 2017 11:54 AM  

Anglin seems to not get the point that the Jews can't have all this negative influence if the Gentiles don't run with it

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 09, 2017 11:55 AM  

Geez that was brutal

OpenID thetroll September 09, 2017 11:56 AM  

Anybody else get the weird feeling that Andrew is a mirror-universe reflection of the Muh White Supremacy SJWs?

Seriously, the "never mind facts because muh feelz" thing...

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 11:57 AM  

The moderator appears to have left the debate.

Anonymous Eduardo September 09, 2017 12:00 PM  

Castaline

He just witnessed a execution man, he couldn't stomach it all and had to take a leave.

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 09, 2017 12:00 PM  

Anglin is still going wuth the stupidity.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 12:01 PM  

Anglin sounds less unhinged in this conversation they're having now.

OpenID paworldandtimes September 09, 2017 12:01 PM  

Anglin is young and inexperienced at debate, and he put up a good fight. Methinks some mutual respect and reciprocal enlightenment is germinating. One hopes.

PA

Blogger allyn71 September 09, 2017 12:02 PM  

Anglin is to stupid to understand the simple clear explanation Vox is providing. Appears all he has is 'Muh Jews!!!" The guy is an idiot.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 12:02 PM  

Oh he's back.

Blogger Student in Blue September 09, 2017 12:03 PM  

The amount of butthurt in chat was extraordinary.

Anglin has a severe problem of forgetting stuff that was said to him not that long ago though.

Blogger allyn71 September 09, 2017 12:03 PM  

Anglin sounds less unhinged in this conversation they're having now.

Wrong!

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 12:03 PM  

Can't accuse Vox of not owning his mistakes.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 12:04 PM  

@97
As soon as I hit enter, Anglin sank to the occasion again.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira September 09, 2017 12:04 PM  

Listening to Vox debate Anglin was like watching Mike Tyson boxing a retard.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 09, 2017 12:04 PM  

I do believe we just witnessed a textbook example the two standard deviations in IQ communications gap.

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 09, 2017 12:05 PM  

Put up a good fight?

I nearly called an ambulance after that complete beatdown.

Blogger Mocheirge September 09, 2017 12:05 PM  

AA: Tell me where I lied; give me specifics.
VD: Okay, let me pull it up...
AA: Give me a general explanation then.
VD: Well, you're a liar.
AA: Whoa, tell me specifically where I lied.
VD: I'm pulling it up now...
AA: C'mon just give me a general idea...

That's about where I first started listening.

Anonymous Andrew E. September 09, 2017 12:05 PM  

When everything is the Jews than Hitler is of course right wing since Hitler killed lots of Jews. That is the extent Anglin is concerned about history it seems.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 09, 2017 12:05 PM  

Good job debating Anglin and the 50 people who wrote his script for him. And he actually mispronounced Mises so it's pretty clear he had no idea what he was reading. Also, his moral protestations are pretty amazing coming from a guy who tried to damage Ben Garrison as he did.

Blogger Salt September 09, 2017 12:05 PM  

The youtube comments - priceless

Anonymous Monica September 09, 2017 12:06 PM  

Following

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 12:07 PM  

Anglin isn't all that smart but he's somewhat cunning. He is good at reframing a complicated subject in the simplest manner possible and painting it in broad strokes in a way that supports his position.

Usually that position is Joooooos control everything. It's a one note song but he has been practicing it long enough to have a decent degree of reflexive competence at it.

It can pass for being in the right if you aren't capable of thinking about it.

Anonymous Cluttermonkey September 09, 2017 12:07 PM  

So which one of the André Wanglin collective did the debate?

Anonymous Incurvatus September 09, 2017 12:08 PM  

DarkLord: 'Yes, I would burn the world down to redress the defamation...'

FashiFag: < puckered, quivering silence >

Every VFM Everywhere: *No duh. Who the fuck did you think you were talking to?*

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 09, 2017 12:08 PM  

The gist of the lying is that Anglin is trying to claim we should look back to Nazism for answers for the right wing when it is provably not right wing. It isn't hard.

And eventually Anglin just reveals that his admiration for Nazism is really because they blame the Jews for everything, which is his ridiculously oversimplified and retarded monomania.

Blogger Nate September 09, 2017 12:08 PM  

'AA: Tell me where I lied; give me specifics.'

That right there is when the moderator should have stepped in and said "that is off topic"

Blogger Were-Puppy September 09, 2017 12:08 PM  

@75 Shamgar
He really does blame Jews for EVERYTHING. I thought it was a joke the whole time.
---

It's like how black will blame everything on white people.

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 09, 2017 12:09 PM  

Andrew E,

Exactly.

Blogger Lance E September 09, 2017 12:10 PM  

I only caught the tail end but it seemed to mostly be Andrew flinging poo and advancing a litany of dishonest arguments and repeated misinformation.

Wish that Vox's live argumentation was as good as his written form. All the facts are on his side and he knows how to use rhetoric, but Andrew did appear to have the upper hand vis-à-vis maintaining a very aggressive posture and keeping Vox constantly on the defensive, which is never where you want to be. Should get some coaching from Stefan!

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 09, 2017 12:10 PM  

Johnson may have given up 10 minutes into his debate with Vox, but Anglin clearly gave up before it even started.

"I don't even know why we're here."

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 09, 2017 12:11 PM  

A group of people get together, write a script, select their 'best' to defend it in a debate, and this potato mouthed degenerate is what they produce.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 09, 2017 12:12 PM  

This guy didn't do any homework whatsoever.

Maybe he thought it was going to be one of those college debates where they rant in ebonics and obscenities until the judges hand them the award.

Actually, based on the performance of the particular individuals they sent here over the last couple days, that might be perfect for his audience.

Anonymous EH September 09, 2017 12:13 PM  

Vox says the Nazis are not being attacked because they are on the right. He is trying to make his allies into enemies, and as he does at so many things, he is succeeding in this also, but there is more to it than that.

Even granting for the sake of argument that really Nazis = Socialists = Left = Communists, the self-identified partisans of the Left, which is almost the whole of the Left, unanimously believes that Nazis are of the Right, as do all the Nazis, and they attack each other unceasingly. Vox is disingenuously arguing that on some Platonic level they are really political allies, but on Aristotelian level of reasoning from observed facts he fails. Sperging out about historical and dogmatic exegesis is totally beside the concrete political facts of the situation, squid ink, and totally contrary to his professed adherence to the methods of Aristotle. Vox is aware of this and doing it intentionally. Anglin is by no stretch of the imagination on the left, and claiming he is is like the ancient Chinese story of "point deer make horse". You see who goes along with your blatant assertion of power to revise reality and to define an enemy, and they will be your cadre.

Anonymous Andrew E. September 09, 2017 12:13 PM  

Wish that Vox's live argumentation was as good as his written form. All the facts are on his side and he knows how to use rhetoric, but Andrew did appear to have the upper hand vis-à-vis maintaining a very aggressive posture and keeping Vox constantly on the defensive,

Well Anglin did get Vox to essentially admit he's a hypocrite. That's all Anglin's side will take from or remember from the debate.

Blogger SmockMan September 09, 2017 12:13 PM  

The Vox/AA debate reminds me of when George tried to break up with his girlfriend. Her response: No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fR0NheFPs

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 12:14 PM  

I can't believe he actually went with "the Jews" as his line of argumentation. He's even dumber than I thought.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 12:15 PM  

This guy didn't do any homework whatsoever.

He couldn't really debate the issue in any serious way so he just ran away from it.

The Nazi's supported religion? Yeah sure, that weird one they made up. Christianity they were absolutely against. Hell, they liked Muslims more than they did Christians.

Blogger VD September 09, 2017 12:16 PM  

I only caught the tail end but it seemed to mostly be Andrew flinging poo and advancing a litany of dishonest arguments and repeated misinformation.

That was post-debate irrelevance. Anyone who is going to be impressed with that is not a prospective fan of mine anyhow.

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 12:16 PM  

@EH -

Anglin is the "family values politician" of self-flagellating gamma race mixers. I wouldn't even call him a leftist because that would require him to have a coherent political stance that doesn't devolve to "da Jews did it!"

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 09, 2017 12:17 PM  

Anglin isn't all that smart but he's somewhat cunning. He is good at reframing a complicated subject in the simplest manner possible and painting it in broad strokes in a way that supports his position.

Which is why he draws supporters from the ranks of the low status and unintelligent.

Vox preferentially draws supporters from higher status and more intelligent people, but still has a surprisingly broad spectrum of readers and supporters given the sometimes esoteric nature of his blogs, books, and videos.

Blogger VD September 09, 2017 12:17 PM  

Well Anglin did get Vox to essentially admit he's a hypocrite. That's all Anglin's side will take from or remember from the debate.

Everyone is a hypocrite, including me. The only question is to what extent. He didn't get me to do it. I will also freely admit that I am arrogant, which is almost certainly a worse sin.

Blogger bw September 09, 2017 12:18 PM  

Fake Storm(er) Surge ??

Anonymous Eduardo September 09, 2017 12:18 PM  

André Wanglin seating in a chair with literally 50 Andrés behind him whispering in his ear: "It's the Jooos!"

Dude I am laughing so hard, this was so inept as a debate XD. This guy is the leader of a movement? No it all makes sense!

@Were-Puppy

André obviously has the same principles as your run of the mill Black movement supporter. So yeah it will come out very similar, just with different quirks.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 12:18 PM  

The Nazi's supported traditional families?

They supported rampant production of "Aryans" unfettered by traditional morality. They knew that was a hard sell but they were working on it.

Blogger Orthodox September 09, 2017 12:19 PM  

Few people outside of this blog think Anglin is left-wing, it's that he adopts symbols and arguments (which he admits are for trolling and humor) that are left-wing if one believes all the ideas behind those symbols.

Anglin and most of the "Nazis" start from disliking Jews and working out from there. The appeal of Nazism to them is obvious. Trying to tie their beliefs to the symbols doesn't work because they don't believe in the symbols, they only use them for shock value. Or if they believe in them, it's only because the symbols are anti-Jewish. Anglin pretty much admitted this by the fact that he said being anti-Jewish is right-wing, and he didn't really try to defend Nazism as right-wing.

#NRx has done more to discredit Anglin's beliefs by showing the roots of Western decay wasn't Jews, but universalist Enlightenment thinking reaching it's (internal) logical conclusions. This is why the ruling ideology/religion increasingly diverges from reality, because it is running on the internal logic of "all men are equal" that is divorced from reality. Intelligent/nepotistic Jews rose to the top of this system and accelerated it by enhancing aspects of it that aligned with Jewish interests.

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 09, 2017 12:21 PM  

Can you call it hypocritical when you state flat out "Yeah I was wrong about that, my mistake"?

Anonymous Naga September 09, 2017 12:22 PM  

Why didn't you just ask Anglin to change, Vox? The friendly fire theatrics didn't go over so well, and now there's a rift between us all.

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 12:22 PM  

@Cataline -

I was referencing the "family values politician is actually gay" epidemic of the 90's and 2000's.

Anonymous Drog September 09, 2017 12:23 PM  

Notorious anti-free speech and left-wing activist Vox Day admits he wants to stop Gab for being pro free speech. What a timeline.

Anonymous DKViking September 09, 2017 12:25 PM  

I haven't heard all of it, but it does seem to me that AA does not have any idea of what national socialism is or any desire to find out. I think DS was and is a honeypot for fool and a continued source for the media to slander the right.

Whether AA is in on that is unknown and given by his performance he may not.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 09, 2017 12:26 PM  

Did Anglin commit a tactical error by aggressively portraying himself as such a helpless victim toward the end?

Why are you attacking me? Why are you doing this? I don't understand why we're here. I don't understand any of this.

It might have scored him a momentary point, but at what cost? Regardless of who is "right" or "wrong," he came across as weak, passive, and helpless while Vox looked strong, active, and in charge. Not good persuasion.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:26 PM  

In the YouTube chat I have never seen so many people simultaneously and repeatedly entering the words jew, kike, nigger, faggot, pedo and Vox Gay all at once in one giant stream of puerile, high-school-virgin, theres-no-girls-around, theres-no-adults-around-so-we-can-be-naughty, utterly disgraceful sewer of a chat.

It was amazing. As Anglin was saying how he is against harassment, abuse, defamation and so on - and literally as he is speaking about 100 Anglin fans are saying VOX GAY IS A KIKE FAGGOT HE NEEDS TO BE GASSED and other variations of that essential common theme.

Anonymous Job September 09, 2017 12:28 PM  

National Socialism has a positive connotation to these people, but a negative one to almost everyone else. The main question they should ask is, "Whose connotation of National Socialism is in line with the historic reality?" That was the purpose of the debate and it is very important for their movement, but Anglin and his audience don't care about definitions. They assume the conclusion and then complain when others don't share their connotation. What is the point of communicating with such people? A whip and an axe handle would be more effective.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 09, 2017 12:29 PM  

"I have never commented on your blog."

Yeah, I figured as much.

I do believe we just witnessed a textbook example the two standard deviations in IQ communications gap.

@101 veryfunnyminion
This debate sounded like Calvin debating Moe. Ultimately, I think Anglin is right-wing, but his thinking is so simple and unsophisticated that he homes in on the JQ. VD thinks Anglin is being intentionally deceitful when he's simply thinking like an uppity teenager.

Of course, a lot more whites have IQs like Anglin's than like VD's, so I think this is something that will have to be addressed.

Blogger VD September 09, 2017 12:30 PM  

Can you call it hypocritical when you state flat out "Yeah I was wrong about that, my mistake"?

That's a reasonable point, but I see no reason to bother defending it.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:31 PM  

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Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 12:31 PM  

Anyone who listened to that and came to any conclusion other than Vox annihilating Anglian is either a retard or a liar.

Blogger VD September 09, 2017 12:31 PM  

Why didn't you just ask Anglin to change, Vox? The friendly fire theatrics didn't go over so well, and now there's a rift between us all.

The fire is not friendly. There is no us.

Blogger meinnit September 09, 2017 12:32 PM  

There is something wrong with Vox. He said he would "burn the world down" because someone called him a mean name. A name he told his followers to call others. Apparently saving the West is less important than his feelings.

Anonymous Eduardo September 09, 2017 12:32 PM  

Muh Whiteness Vs Muh Western Values

We all knew it would come down to this, both sides have very different views of what kind of civilization they want, the good part is that this is not a armed conflict yet...

Just keep punching the Leftists, and maybe in the future both sides can have their way after a nice peace treaty.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 12:32 PM  

Paraphrasing Anglin here: "Women need to be attacked when they speak in public."

Priceless.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:32 PM  

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Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:33 PM  

The friendly fire theatrics didn't go over so well, and now there's a rift between us all.

You cannot be friendly with the Alt Reich, in my brief experience, and why would you want to? They are Satanic. They are in a permanent insane rage, they hate everybody and everything and want to see the world burn. They are nothing but liars and destroyers. They are children of their father, the devil.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 12:33 PM  

Did Anglin commit a tactical error by aggressively portraying himself as such a helpless victim toward the end?

Yes

Blogger VFM #7634 September 09, 2017 12:34 PM  

Their mantra is to blame the kikes for everything (they only take a moment of rest from that to blame the niggers, gooks and faggots). Their only capability is to blame another group.

Harping on Jews while ignoring secret societies like the different flavors of Freemasonry -- IOW, white elites -- is missing a huge part of the picture.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 09, 2017 12:34 PM  

Anglin might be stupid but he's definitely intentionally dishonest. He knowingly lies by omission and acts offended at the very behavior he practices unrepentantly. In fact, he's dishonest the same way SJWs tend to be which suggests they both serve the same father of lies in different capacities. Little devils all, and to hell with them.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 09, 2017 12:35 PM  

Is anyone who isn't already an Anglin acolyte convinced by any of his babbling here?

If there's one thing I've learned since Charlottesville, it's that Alt-Retard leaders are far, far more interested in playing to their troops than in reaching anyone new. It's sort of the inverse of the parable about leaving the 99 sheep to bring back the one lost lamb. In their case, they'd rather shuck and jive to impress the few remaining sheep than go out and try to increase the herd.

As long as his followers praise him -- which they surely will, since he Named The Jew -- he will see it as a great victory. Scalzi with a swastika.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 09, 2017 12:35 PM  

The alt-reich is a fringe of damaged individuals who rage, you cannot reason with rage.

The Left knows how to use rage of any political stripe to its advantage, obviously we do not.

Blogger Orthodox September 09, 2017 12:35 PM  

Vox won the debate in terms of showing Nazism is left-wing. If I was scoring the debate as it was originally stated, Vox won a few sentences in because Anglin didn't even present an argument.

But the response from most of the audience is no one cares, because they think it's esoteric nonsense irrelevant to today. Even if they concede the point, they don't think Anglin is their enemy.

Blogger Nate September 09, 2017 12:36 PM  

"The friendly fire theatrics didn't go over so well, and now there's a rift between us all."

1) They are not us.

2) If you are them... then you are not us.

therefore

3) this is not friendly fire.

A rift you say?

There has never not been a rift. And that is a feature. Not a bug.

Blogger Nate September 09, 2017 12:38 PM  

"everywhere I look behind every problem I have I see hook nosed jews"

Yes. We know. That's because you're a whiney delusional faggot who blames all of his problems on others.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 09, 2017 12:38 PM  

Anglin might be stupid but he's definitely intentionally dishonest.

@152 Solaire Of Astora
Yeah, a moment ago I thought he was simply being an uppity teenager. Then it occurred to me that Gammas and stereotypical teenagers have a lot in common with their immature behavior. Heh.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:38 PM  

Scalzi with a swastika.

Exactly. They are scum of the earth, alongside the worst of the SJWs.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 09, 2017 12:38 PM  

Cail

"Scalzi with a swastika."

What a burn, if they could understand it.

Problem is, they'd probably take it is a compliment, after all they get as much traffic as Scalzi, certainly more than Vox.

Blogger VD September 09, 2017 12:39 PM  

There has never not been a rift. And that is a feature. Not a bug.

That is probably the most useful consequence of the debate. It is finally beginning to penetrate their thick skulls that we are genuinely not on their side.

Anonymous Justin Bailey September 09, 2017 12:40 PM  

Vox showed up with sources, quotes, historical context. Anglin showed up with a prepared statement, talking points, and an emotional appeal that's it's all the fault of the Jews so please stop attacking him.

It's obvious Anglin has contempt for historical context. His mission was to keep the hysteria whipped up and paint Vox as an out of touch old man who just sits and reads books nobody cares about. It's an effective tactic for people who just want to lash out.

I think Anglin would be more effective if he dropped the retarded Nazi shit, but he won't because it gives him the attention he wants. Irregardless of if he is or thinks he is on the right, nobody else on the right wants to be associated with retarded Nazi LARPing. It damages the right more than anything the left could do, unless of course the Nazis are part of the left and have simply infiltrated the right as the Neocons have.

The debate, such as it was, won't change anyone's mind one way or the other. I think anyone who listened was just there to root for their team.

Anonymous User September 09, 2017 12:41 PM  

Today I learned that Louis XIV was France's greatest leftist thanks to his achievements massively centralizing government.

Blogger Nate73 September 09, 2017 12:42 PM  

All of the youtube comments are talking about how the cowardly Vox Day was completely schooled/owned/discredited in the debate by Anglin, who isn't Jewish or might be Jewish, not sure about that.

Blogger Lance E September 09, 2017 12:44 PM  

VD wrote:I only caught the tail end but it seemed to mostly be Andrew flinging poo and advancing a litany of dishonest arguments and repeated misinformation.

That was post-debate irrelevance. Anyone who is going to be impressed with that is not a prospective fan of mine anyhow.


I assure you I wasn't impressed with Anglin's non-arguments, nor anything else that he has ever said or written. I was only a little disappointed at the riposte. Something along the lines of "stop lying about what they wrote" might have been a better footnote.

But I'm watching the whole debate now, it's quite possible that this silly bit at the end was an outlier.

They're still shitting up Gab and several chats, so I guess it's going to be a while still before we can be free of these parasites.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) September 09, 2017 12:45 PM  

Today I learned that Louis XIV was France's greatest leftist thanks to his achievements massively centralizing government.

"I am the state"

"Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state"

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 09, 2017 12:45 PM  

That new term "prairie Jew" sounds funny. What's it mean?

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 12:45 PM  

Reminds me of the Berlinski-Hitchens debate ("Does Atheism Poison Everything"), except that those two are both good public speakers. Hitchens also ran away from the debate question, then got completely schooled. Plus, Berlinski and Vox are both, apparently, Jews.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 09, 2017 12:47 PM  

I'm now wondering if it's even possible for Gammas to be right-wing, or if it's a contradiction in terms.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:47 PM  



It is finally beginning to penetrate their thick skulls that we are genuinely not on their side.

The Alt Reich are nothing but a liability. They are not serious people. They are time-wasters at best.

Blogger DeploraBard September 09, 2017 12:47 PM  

His first 15 min in the debate were spent off topic in an attempt to rally emotional support. Then, instead of rebuttal he continues reading a completely irrelevant prepared statement, dismisses all historical context, and then blames everything on the Jews. The guy is passionate, misinformed, and dangerously unreachable. He can see some problems, but his only tool is a mallet. Read a thread yesterday where they were discussing Vox. Some very good analysis, yet unable to reach knowledge of the truth. Spiritually blind as the world burns, so they lash out to fight blindfolded.

Blogger Orthodox September 09, 2017 12:48 PM  

Today I learned that Louis XIV was France's greatest leftist thanks to his achievements massively centralizing government.

Central govt isn't left or right-wing, although central govt in the modern sense is more associated with left than right-wing because of separation of Church and State, central planning of the economy (violation of property rights), etc.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:51 PM  

Perhaps we are just now getting a small taste of the sort of hassle Marine Le Pen had to go through when she decided to try to enforce a separation between the Front National and the swastika panty wearers.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 09, 2017 12:52 PM  

@167 Heian-kyo Dreams

That new term "prairie Jew" sounds funny. What's it mean?
---

They come up with some funny ones!
My fav so far was chief crying cuck .

Blogger Orthodox September 09, 2017 12:52 PM  

I think they are winning the short-term PR war, but repeated hits like this one will start taking a toll. It's the debating version of whack-a-mole.

Anonymous User September 09, 2017 12:53 PM  

Anglin's going straight to Vox's motivation is actually a solid debating technique in these circumstances.

Blogger Orthodox September 09, 2017 12:53 PM  

Chief Crying Cuck of the Prairie Jews?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 12:54 PM  

The friendly fire theatrics didn't go over so well, and now there's a rift between us all.

They are Omega.

These guys are Bronies that went down a dark, dark path.

There can't be an us with Bronies either but at least I can pity them.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:54 PM  

The swastika panty wearers are parasitic upon National movements and are a liability, and need to be kicked out. Not the other way around. The swastika panty wearers will never build anything on their own. They roll in the filth and revel in being lepers.

Blogger Nick S September 09, 2017 12:54 PM  

You may not want to be THE TEACHER/LEADER. HURUMPH!

Blogger Orthodox September 09, 2017 12:54 PM  

Anglin's going straight to Vox's motivation is actually a solid debating technique in these circumstances.

Anglin had no intention of actually debating Vox, his appeal was solely to the audience.

Blogger Hazel Motes September 09, 2017 12:55 PM  

1. It's interesting that you claimed Anglin was inflating his traffic stats, and that you were more popular than him, yet the ratio of real men to VFM in the youtube chat was 1488:1.

2. Every time Anglin raised his voice, you went quiet. Like a bitch. It was as if you were scared of him, even though it was an internet conversation.

3. The debate is more than enough proof that you are a gay retard

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2017 12:55 PM  

Centralized governments have consistently acted contrary to tradition, because some asshole always gets the idea to remake society in his image.

It's no accident that the destruction of traditional American culture has followed the increasing centralization of the government, through laws and rendered judgments.

Anonymous Naga September 09, 2017 12:58 PM  

VD wrote:There has never not been a rift. And that is a feature. Not a bug.

That is probably the most useful consequence of the debate. It is finally beginning to penetrate their thick skulls that we are genuinely not on their side.


What side are you on? Nobody outside your group understands what your side is or what you're upset about.

Blogger SirGroggy September 09, 2017 12:59 PM  

3. The debate is more than enough proof that you are a gay retard

Why do you come to visit and read a gay retard blog?

Blogger Sam September 09, 2017 12:59 PM  

@60
I think he is referring to the idea that you need to follow certain rules/guidelines/principles in order to have civilization (refereed to as natural since they are external to humanity and governed by the facts of our nature) and tradition allows us to have a grasp on what those are.

Anonymous TS September 09, 2017 12:59 PM  

VD made a good point showing how the Nazis were not White Nationalists but Pan German Socialists and how they were more pro Asian and pro Islam than pro white, which could be seen by the Nazi alliance with Japan and Italy. School was in session.

Blogger DeploraBard September 09, 2017 1:01 PM  

User wrote:Anglin's going straight to Vox's motivation is actually a solid debating technique in these circumstances.

That was not the debate topic. It was a failure to prepare. His statements on the Jews at the end reveal a deep psychological need to project failure onto someone else which is gamma a pathetic. I can't debate = Jews, my business failed = Jews, my dad didn't play ball with me = Jews, Patriots lost to the Chiefs = Jews. Man, life must be simple that way.

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Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 09, 2017 1:03 PM  

/pol/ on the debate:

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/140879990/anglin-vs-vox-day-death-match
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/140879328/nazis-watch-out

As Vox has said, /pol/ is always right.

Blogger VD September 09, 2017 1:04 PM  

Paint Vox as an out of touch old man who just sits and reads books nobody cares about.

That's not really that far off, actually. Disinterested middle-aged man who just sits and reads books nobody cares about would probably be more accurate.

SB: Florida is really in for it!
VD: Why?
SB: Well, Hurricane Irma is historically massive.
VD: There's a hurricane?

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin September 09, 2017 1:05 PM  

If it were a soccer match, Vox wins 12 to 1. But the single off-topic goal will be enough to convince Anglin that he scored a decisive victory. Anglin’s overall style of debate has a lot in common with that of other racial nationalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsYalIpqfqs

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2017 1:05 PM  

What side are you on? Nobody outside your group understands what your side is or what you're upset about.

Pretty much everyone outside our group know that Nazis are just plain evil.

And after the last few days we can make a very good case for us not being connected with the Nazis in any way.

We'll still get called Nazis of course but now we can point at this and say, "Oh, really?"

Blogger Lance E September 09, 2017 1:05 PM  

Jesus, his entire first segment sounded exactly like an SJW. I'm a victim, why is Vox attacking me, it's mean, this has never happened before at any time in history, I'm being silenced, Vox is just self-promoting, REEEEE! He even made the guilt-by-association and MUH TRAFFIC arguments.

This type of trolling (sorry, "performance art") does not translate well to the spoken word. It's just Lie, Double Down, and Project over and over again.

It is incredibly sad to see some people I know/follow continue to take Anglin's side after seeing such flat-out sophistry. My network just got a little smaller today.

Anonymous Jeff September 09, 2017 1:05 PM  

What side are you on?

The right side.

Blogger Sam September 09, 2017 1:06 PM  

@184
The Soviet Union and North Korea were/are extremely centralized but after their original violent establishment, they have been bulwarks of tradition. The problem isn't state power; the problem is state power that is uncertain, in the hands of leftists and in the hands of those with a different faith then the population they are ruling.

Anonymous RV Neandertal September 09, 2017 1:06 PM  

It was a tedious demonstration of the IQ communications gap but I learned something about the swastika crowd. Previously I thought they were:

1. Controlled opposition
2. Trolls seeking the greatest possible profanity
3. Prison gangs demanding burn all bridges visible commitment

I see another.

4. Believing all evil comes from Jews Anglin embraces Hitler and the National Socialists to channel their status as powerful enemies of the Jews.

I just can't write off #1. Identifying as a Nazi and wearing their symbols is a hopeless way to attack Jews, rather a sure fire way to mobilize neutrals to their side. Anglin made a decent case for being dim enough to not care.

Blogger Robert Browning September 09, 2017 1:06 PM  

And how did you show Anglin to be a fraud??

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