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Sunday, September 03, 2017

Dragon Awards 2017

Congratulations to Larry Correia and John Ringo for winning Best Fantasy Novel for Monster Hunter Memoirs: Grunge. And to Richard Fox, who won Best Military Science Fiction Novel for Iron Dragoons.

The rest of the winners are here. I'm not disappointed about A Sea of Skulls losing out to Larry and John, but I really would have liked to see John C. Wright win in Best YA. But as good as his Moth & Cobweb books are, it was always going to be tough to beat the YA juggernaut that is Rick Riordan.

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43 Comments:

Anonymous Crew September 03, 2017 2:41 PM  

Do they release the voting totals?

It would be interesting to see how a certain person who is uninterested in awards did.

Blogger Chris Lopes September 03, 2017 2:46 PM  

I notice that nothing on the Hugo list got a Dragon. It's almost as if they are talking to completely different audiences.

Anonymous Nathan September 03, 2017 2:47 PM  

Congrats to the winners. The Dragons have already proven themselves more representative as to what the average science fiction/fantasy fan actually reads and watches than the Hugos.

Blogger VD September 03, 2017 2:48 PM  

It's almost as if they are talking to completely different audiences.

They are. Pink SF vs Blue SF. SJW fiction vs normal fiction. Precisely as I said before this whole thing started.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 3:00 PM  

I see Jim Butcher's Dresden Files won both comic and graphic novel.

Excellent... For values of "Excellent." Honestly there was nothing outstanding and the rest was utter garbage.

I think this is Ringo's first award for anything. It has to be said, this trilogy has so far been a solid effort on this part. Easily his best work. Larry keeping the worst of his Ringoness reined in was a major benefit to him.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 03, 2017 3:15 PM  

@Cataline Sergius

When I revieded it I found it an interesting mashup of the memoir style of The Last Centurion, a (measured) dose of Mike Harmon from the Paladin of Shadows, all set in Larry's world, with great characters and moments, and tons of great action.

Loved them both, will read again.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 3:20 PM  

Both John Wright and his wife were nominated in the same category. I suppose that may have split the vote.

I am a little sorry about Best Science Fiction Novel as Corey is an SJW who writes Pink SF, dressed up in Blue SF clothes. He's an SJW and a friend of John Scalzi
But he also has a TV series so...

Speaking of TV. Stranger Things was the best choice of many evils.

Lucky Man was better but almost no one in the US has ever heard of it. You have to buy it by the episode off Amazon. At least Expanse didn't win.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 3:43 PM  

@6 Last Redoubt

The Chad Gardenier character spoke to me on a few levels.

And I actually met a 1/8 Marine who claims his life was saved by a minor miracle.

He was lying in his rack in Beirut, fast asleep. And he hears a stern voice saying, "have you cleaned your weapon Marine?"

He looked up and around. No one awake near him. He tries to get back to sleep but Marine guilt has taken hold of him. He hadn't cleaned his rifle.

So the only place with light was the window. He sits up in it and breaks down his rifle.

When the truckbomb hit the over-pressure from the blast blew him out of the window. Sole survivor of his platoon.

Blogger Brian Niemeier September 03, 2017 3:49 PM  

@Crew:

Yes. Over 8,000 final ballots cast; twice as many as last year and more than double this year's final Hugo ballots.

@Cataline Sergius:
Yeah, I was pulling for John, too. At least he got one last year. Considering that the Dragons' prestige is increasing, that should be a feather in his cap long-term.

"I am a little sorry about Best Science Fiction Novel as Corey is an SJW who writes Pink SF, dressed up in Blue SF clothes. He's an SJW and a friend of John Scalzi"

Look on the bright side. Scalzi himself failed to win after drawing attention to himself by accepting the nomination, withdrawing, and then withdrawing his withdrawal.

By staying in, he destroyed the SF SJW narrative that the Dragons are a fake award that no legitimate author would associate himself with. His loss is a direct repudiation of the Worldcon clique--of which Corey is not a favorite--by greater SF fandom.

It's only year two, and the Dragons are already too big for any one group to dominate. This is a win for SFF.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 03, 2017 3:54 PM  

"City of Corpses" being my favorite of the series so far.

Blogger DeploraBard September 03, 2017 4:01 PM  

When my boys were younger, they read Percy Jackson. I made a habit of reading what they read. It didn't suck. Better for young boys was the Ranger's Apprentice series and Gregor in the Underworld. Boys and I both enjoyed them more.

Blogger Amos Bellomy September 03, 2017 4:36 PM  

Riordan has gone full-on uber SJW. Gays in relationships, maximum lvel feminism, all that jazz. A real shame, he was good too.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab September 03, 2017 4:56 PM  

Grunge had some serious errors. It could have used more editing. It was entertaining but not 'best'.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 4:56 PM  

@9

True enough.

It also shows that Scalzi is nowhere near as popular as Tor pretends that he is.

Anonymous Anonymous September 03, 2017 4:59 PM  

Sorry to see Sea of Skulls not win. Maybe a later book in the series will. I keep lending my ATOB book out to one friend after another, and hopefully I'm not the only one to do so.

The wins seem to be what was most popular and what had the most market penetration. Niemeier is right. The award is too big for any one group to control. This is good, to an extent, as it buffers the awards from becoming a platform for cultural Marxism but it means the tragedy of the commons will show a bit, which is fine since the latter is far less annoying than the former.

Blogger seeingsights September 03, 2017 5:29 PM  

Brian Niemeier's post is spot on.

The results of the Dragon Awards are inspiring. Interesting work that appeals to the masses won awards--not SJW fiction which, outside Hugo voters, hardly anyone is aware of.

Worldcon has no future. Dragoncon is revitalizing science fiction and fantasy!

Blogger Jon D. September 03, 2017 5:42 PM  

Thanks everyone for participating. I'm also not sad about losing to Richard. He's a helluva writer and well deserved! Just from the numbers though, the Dragon Award is vastly outperforming the Mean Girls Club self-congratulatory circle jerk. This is a great day for science fiction and bodes well for the future.

Blogger seeingsights September 03, 2017 5:46 PM  

'Look on the bright side. Scalzi himself failed to win after drawing attention to himself by accepting the nomination, withdrawing, and then withdrawing his withdrawal.

By staying in, he destroyed the SF SJW narrative that the Dragons are a fake award that no legitimate author would associate himself with. His loss is a direct repudiation of the Worldcon clique--of which Corey is not a favorite--by greater SF fandom.'

I thought that according to Dragon Con rules, a work that makes the ballot cannot be taken off the ballot by the author's desire:

http://www.locusmag.com/News/2017/08/dragon-awards-refuse-withdrawal/

But I heartily agree with your point.


Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 5:57 PM  

@19 seeingsights


Apparently the rules were changed.

I got a supplementary ballot when Allison Littlewood bailed.

Blogger RobertT September 03, 2017 6:23 PM  

Awards are for losers. You can't eat it, drink it or sleep with it.

Blogger RobertT September 03, 2017 6:23 PM  

or spend it.

Blogger seeingsights September 03, 2017 6:28 PM  

When Scalzi announced his withdrawal from the Dragon Con awards, I surmised that Scalzi knew that he wasn't going to win, so he announced his withdrawal as a pre-emptive excuse for not winning. A Gamma male thing to do.

My next prediction: Scalzi will not win either a Hugo Award nor a Dragon Con award in the next 5 years. The Hugo Award has been captured by cliques of which Scalzi does not quite belong in. The Dragon Con Award draws from a larger base of voters that is more reflective of popular tastes.

Blogger My Dead Gramps September 03, 2017 6:36 PM  

@22

"Note to the authors who tried to win an award by positing it as a culture war with me on the other side: You sure wasted your time, dudes."
8m ago.

I think at this point VD sets his watch by it.

Blogger Chris Lopes September 03, 2017 6:42 PM  

While Tor probably won't ask for his advance back (they won't admit they made a mistake that big), Scalzi's days as the big dog in their kennel are numbered.

Anonymous Roger S September 03, 2017 6:47 PM  

How the F does Babylon’s Ashes beat Death’s End by Cixin Liu.

For that matter, in what strange world does Wonder Woman beat Arrival.

UnF'ingBelievable!!

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 6:52 PM  

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Anonymous Fish sauce September 03, 2017 6:56 PM  

It's just important you found someone to hate. Good for you

Anonymous Nathan September 03, 2017 7:02 PM  

@24,

"Scalzi's days as the big dog in their kennel are numbered."

Those days are already over. PNH is already pushing new authors as his most significant discovery.

Blogger Fenris Wulf September 03, 2017 7:24 PM  

Amos Bellomy wrote:Riordan has gone full-on uber SJW. Gays in relationships, maximum lvel feminism, all that jazz. A real shame, he was good too.
His book is published by the Disney Degeneracy Empire and it won a LGBTQ literary award. I'm a bit worried about the future of the Dragon Awards, but not too worried as yet.

Blogger JACIII September 03, 2017 7:50 PM  

Bah! The MHI book was merely the most anticipated offering. I read it eagerly. It's fine no more, no less.

A sea of skills will stand the test of time and be elevated rather than diminished by it.

Blogger Worlds Edge September 03, 2017 8:07 PM  

Best Apocalyptic Novel - Walkaway, by Cory Doctorow

This was a truly sub-par book, a ham handed 300+ page sermon to, of all things, post-scarcity economics. But what's even more odd is that it didn't even have any sort of apocalypse. Doubtless you could class it as dystopian, but even if I thought it award worthy -- and I assure you, I do not -- I'd still question its classification here.

Blogger SmockMan September 03, 2017 8:21 PM  

Disappointed SoS didn't win, but congrats to Larry.

Anonymous Kim Philby September 03, 2017 8:46 PM  

Meant to put this here, but put it in other thread by accident, so I'll repeat -- reading about JCW's YA fiction makes me think: I am changing careers and embedding myself in the public school system. I'd love to hear some suggestions on 1) non-converged YA literature 2) published in the last ~25 years 3) and available in dead-tree format that I can make available to them.

I'll be in a HS, but the system being what it is, half my kids read on a middle-school level (or worse).

Blogger Michael Maier September 03, 2017 8:58 PM  

I wanted to love GRUNGE but it fell flat in every way. I only vaguely remember something about the Yakuza and sushi.

I find it hard to believe that ASOS doesn't dominate it in every way except popularity.

Anonymous Nathan September 03, 2017 9:42 PM  

Grunge, like most Ringo stories, is meant to be heard, not read. Think of your crazy old uncle telling stories at the dinner table. It also falls prey to the typical Ringoism that the first book is all setup and logistics and differs in tone from the rest of the series. (Try Sinners. It's much better.)

Blogger Doc Rampage September 03, 2017 10:45 PM  

"White men are the cultural counterpart to the economic bourgeousie class in classical Marxist theory."

The common factor of course, is that in both cases they are attacking the core economic producers.

Blogger Brian Niemeier September 04, 2017 3:13 AM  

@seeingsights:

The Dragon organizers first correctly refused to allow author withdrawals from a people's choice award. Then they caved to pressure from SF SJWs.

http://www.brianniemeier.com/2017/08/conservative-play.html

Rumor has it Tor Books leaned on them by threatening to make their authors boycott Dragon Con. Either way, it was a dumb move that emboldened the Hugo clique--until the CHORFs got totally shut out.

Scalzi and Jemisin make for interesting case studies, here. Both faced the same dilemma:
1. Stay on the Dragon ballot, thus undercutting the SF SJW narrative of the Dragons' illegitimacy and drawing the Hugo clique's ire.
2. Withdraw from the Dragon Awards, thus alienating the fans who voted them onto the ballot.

Scalzi eventually chose the former. Jemisin chose the latter. The consequences are already manifesting in Scalzi's case. The CHORFs doubled down on the "Dragon Con is giving a platform to white supremacists" narrative, threw Scalzi under the bus, and rallied behind Jemisin.

But based on Scalzi's penchant for self-promotion, I doubt Jemisin's choice to curry favor with the Worldcon crowd will do her career any favors.

Blogger Lou Antonelli September 04, 2017 9:44 AM  

I agree that the Dragons have begun - in a very short time - to be much more broad-based and inclusive than the Hugos, which at this point are little more than a promotional tool for Tor Publishing.

That's why the nominations spanned the range from Vox Day to John Scalzi.

There were MANY authors on the ballot who could never get on a Hugo ballot any more - present company included.

The final outcome pointed to that broad base, which could be influenced by various recommending groups but not decided.

In my case, losing to Harry Turtledove in the Alternate History category is a good example.

Congrats to all the finalists, and winners.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 04, 2017 9:46 AM  

@37 Brian Niemeier

I respectfully disagree about Jemisin's choice. I think sucking up to the Worldcon Clique is the only path her career can take at this point.

She's not a fun read.

She's not an interesting read.

She's not an intelligent read.

Her only real way to move books is by scoring diversity points. She's never going to be a popular writer.

Mind you it's not a bad choice for her either.

Jemisin can leverage that into an endowed Diversity Chair in Interpretive Urine Painting Studies with a nice NEA grant attached. She'll only has to bite the hand that feeds her two or three times a year and she will have a 200K income for life.

That is way more than she will ever make with just her writing income.

Blogger Brian Niemeier September 04, 2017 11:18 AM  

@39

Cheerfully conceded.

Blogger Michael Maier September 04, 2017 12:19 PM  

Nathan wrote:Grunge, like most Ringo stories, is meant to be heard, not read. Think of your crazy old uncle telling stories at the dinner table. It also falls prey to the typical Ringoism that the first book is all setup and logistics and differs in tone from the rest of the series. (Try Sinners. It's much better.)

Ugh... OK. I will let optimism overcome my brain...

Blogger StrongCoffee61 September 04, 2017 1:29 PM  

Since leftwing gravitation has collapsed the Hugos into a black ho, it's not surprising that Jemisin wants to stay in her affirmative action universe.

With the internet creating a big bang of science fiction publishing, I don't pay any attention to awards anymore.
There's far too much being published and far too much variation in taste for awards to be meaningful except as advertising.

However, advertising is important and it's good that an alternative exists to lure new readers to better speculative fiction.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 05, 2017 1:48 AM  

@33 I'm a librarian. E-mail me at Carbonelle@juno (dot)com, and I'd be happy to work up grade level or reading-level lists of superversive newer and older fiction and non-fiction.

Godspeed.

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