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Monday, September 18, 2017

Gab kicked off registrar

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BREAKING: Gab's domain registrar has given us 5 days to transfer our domain or they will seize it. The free and open web is in danger.

The free and open web is not in danger. Literally NOTHING has changed except that Gab has received a legal wakeup call from reality. It's more than a little remarkable that they didn't anticipate this. Remember, I warned Andrew Torba that they ABSOLUTELY HAD to moderate their content, and I did so back in November, long before anyone had "said mean words" or "hurt my feelings" there. I did so again on September 7th, both when I emailed Utsav after our conversation and in my conversation with him.

What I believe inevitably doomed Gab with Asia Registry was not merely the complaints that were being made to the registry in lieu of Gab providing its users with any other option besides the recommended court order, but Gab's public stance on its refusal to moderate defamation as laid out in its Google filing. There are three sections that are relevant in this regard:
81. Even if it were possible for a social media platform to censor "defamatory and mean-spirited content" generated by 250,000 users, a level of content censorship that extended to "defamatory" and "mean-spirited" content would place at risk that service's status as a protected Internet Service Provider, as opposed to a publisher or speaker, under 47 U.S. Code 230, also known as Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act ("CDA")

82. Unlike an Internet Service Provider, a publisher or speaker is not granted the "safe harbor" benefits of Section 230, and may be held liable for defamation or other torts or other liability arising from content published on a platform it owns or manages.

251. Compliance with Google's demand that moderate content posted by its users on a viewpoint-discrimination basis would place at risk Gab's critical "safe harbor" protection against claims arising from such content under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act by turning Gab into an unprotected editor or publisher, whereas it is presently protected as an Internet Service Provider.
This is bad lawyering for four reasons.
  1. Some forms of defamation are criminal in Australia. Gab openly stated, in a public filing, that it cannot, and will not, remain in compliance with Australian law. 
  2. Gab is not an Internet Service Provider. An Internet Service Provider, or ISP, is the company you pay a fee to access to the internet, not an internet site that lets you comment on it.
  3. Section 230 of the CDA doesn't only protect ISPs, but also protects both the users and the providers of interactive computer service and says neither "shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
  4. As a Texas entity - which Gab still is despite its establishment of a second office to be able to file its lawsuit against Google in Philadelphia County - Gab was additionally protected by the Defamation Mitigation Act, or Retraction Statute of 2013, which protects the publisher by giving him the option of correcting the mistake by publishing a retraction or deleting the defamatory content.
In other words, on the basis of an entirely groundless fear of being sued for what they like to describe as "mean words", Gab elected to state on the public record that they would not moderate for "defamatory" content, in open violation of the laws of the country in which they selected their registrar.

Not ready for prime time doesn't even begin to describe the level of strategic and legal incompetence demonstrated here.

This really isn't that difficult. As I have repeatedly said, as I have repeatedly told Andrew Torba, moderation is a must. It is implicitely required by law, and for those who want access to the Play Store and the App Store, it is explicitly required by Google and Apple. More importantly, if you refuse to offer your users a reasonable form of redress they can easily afford when they are targeted for harassment, don't pretend to be surprised or upset when they pursue alternate means to achieve their objectives just because those means happen to be more damaging to you.

I am the only one who pursued the course of action recommended by Gab. Considering the expense and the additional harassment that entailed, is it really surprising that everyone else opted for the free and anonymous course of action? In any event, Gab will find another registrar. I hope they will also find the common sense required to install some reasonable moderation policies, or they're just going to find themselves right back in the same position in a matter of weeks.

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188 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2017 4:53 AM  

Again, they could have predicted this and avoided Australia, which has gone so far as to pass ISLAMIC BLASPHEMY LAWS.

A US-based DNS anonymity proxy along the lines of tucows is the only way they avoid this.
I can count at least 2 from naive searches which would take literally anyone no matter how contrversial, but if by chance they can't find one, they now have way more than enough to launch their own per ICANN's accreditation guidelines, which themselves have no "wrongthink" clauses, only the requirement local law be enforced.
So long as the registrar is within the USA, it's impossible for local laws to force police of speech.

Blogger YIH September 18, 2017 4:55 AM  

I guess they never heard of https://infogalactic.com/info/8chan

Anonymous DeplorableCodeMonkey September 18, 2017 4:58 AM  

The complaint Torba cited showed it was purely the anti-racism laws that were being cited. Defamation was not part of the official excuse provided by Asia Registry.

Anonymous Quotidian Solecism September 18, 2017 4:59 AM  

The Asia Registry letter didn't mention anything about defamation. It only mentioned "hate speech" (by whatever various terms it's called), the same excuse that destroyed Daily Stormer, Stormfront, Vnnforum, and probably others.

"Asia Registry is an Australian company, and the website (gab.ai) violates Australian federal and state anti-discrimination laws, which prohibit vilification on the basis of race, religion, or ethnic origin. Asia Registry's Abuse Policy specifically prohibits use of a domain name in a manner that is discriminatory or hateful."

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2017 5:01 AM  

This is the outcome of convergence. Doesn't matter if it's SJW or not. If you run a business according to unattainable ideals, it will fail. The more unattainable the ideals, the more spectacular the failure. Free speech might be a bigger unicorn than SJW equality.

I am entertained.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 5:04 AM  

Defamation was not part of the official excuse provided by Asia Registry.

Agreed. But the connection between why a company does something and why it publicly says it does something is tenuous at best. There is a reason why Asia Registry didn't want to bother letting Gab try to work things out, and the fact that Gab openly stated it will never be in compliance with Australian law will not have escaped them.

I have no doubt that someone there looked at the situation and realized that it was not one that was going to be easily resolved or worth whatever Gab was paying them. It's one thing to screw up now and then. It's another thing to make it abundantly clear that you will always be a major pain in the ass.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 5:08 AM  

The Asia Registry letter didn't mention anything about defamation. It only mentioned "hate speech" (by whatever various terms it's called), the same excuse that destroyed Daily Stormer, Stormfront, Vnnforum, and probably others.

You're missing the point. The excuse is not always the reason. And Gab handed Asia Registry an iron-clad reason to get rid of them with its inept legal stance on defamatory content. Gab could fight the definition of "hate speech" and whether its content qualified. They sued Google, why not sue Asia Registry?

But it cannot fight the fact that it has declared itself to be illegal under Australian law.

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2017 5:13 AM  

They wouldn't be able to sue Asia Registry.
Australian "hate speech" law was designed by islamists. It's the broadest and most censorious ever enacted in a western nation, and completely consistent with Australia's record being the boot stepping on a human face in whatever realm you happen to be examining on a given day.

This is a complete failure of due diligence on Torba's part on multiple levels, from the original choice of registrar and TLD to the stubborn refusal to move post-haste once the oversight had been brought to light.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 5:23 AM  

One always needs to make sure their rear is covered or they'll get flanked. Gab got flanked, when they were looking to take a shot at Google too quickly.

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2017 5:26 AM  

Getting flanked is laughable but forgivable.
Screeching autistically as if the US first amendment applies with a foreign registrar is grade-A bone-headed.

The more I roll this around my head the more I think Torba is doing this intentionally so he can pocket the 1m+ he raised and walk away whistling.

He's the Brianna Wu of anti-SJW

Blogger Samuel Nock September 18, 2017 5:34 AM  

Vox predicted on Periscope the other day that Gab wouldn't be around in a year.

Looks like he was only off by 360 days...

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 5:35 AM  

The more I roll this around my head the more I think Torba is doing this intentionally so he can pocket the 1m+ he raised and walk away whistling.

I very, very much doubt that. Torba has Silicon Valley stars in his eyes. He wants to be a tech billionaire and a Very Important Personage, not a petty con artist.

Anonymous Difster September 18, 2017 5:42 AM  

Torba also banned Weev for a terroristic threat. Having done so, he's just betrayed his last remaining allies, the Stormpoopers.

I also seem to recall at some point, Torba said, "You wouldn't want to get on Weev's bad side," or something to that affect.

Well, guess what? You just gone and done it Torba!

Anonymous Difster September 18, 2017 5:49 AM  

Amy Torba's been triggered.

Blogger Markku September 18, 2017 5:59 AM  

Aww, that's so sweet #MommasBoy

Anonymous Quotidian Solecism September 18, 2017 6:01 AM  

So, will the lawsuits be rendered moot if Gab actually goes down? Will Torba have the foresight to archive all the posts in the event he can't find an alternate registrar in time?

Even if the site goes down, the *company* still exists, so it could be argued that its suit against Google is still valid. It may want to straighten the issue out prior to finding new hosting.

Blogger JACIII September 18, 2017 6:05 AM  

They threw in with the panty Nazis. I guess fighting on every front looks like a good idea, too.

Blogger Markku September 18, 2017 6:05 AM  

I'm pretty sure the registrar only provides a DNS entry, and all the actual code and database are on a virtual machine or cloud service, that has its own IP. In other words, the registrar situation will have no effect on Torba's access to Gab. We others just won't know where to find it.

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2017 6:07 AM  

A common reply from the SJW gabbers is that 1. our feelings were hurt (childish non-argument. Feelings have nothing to do with it.) and 2. VoxDay (quoting from a reply to my Breitbart comment from yesterday) "told his followers that when someone calls you a racist, call them a pedophile" which, if I understand correctly is a half-truth because you were insulted first, and secondly, you did as requested and took your comment down.

They are scrambling for validity and we meanwhile are shoring up our defences. Further, they are going to be painting themselves into a corner.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 6:10 AM  

So, will the lawsuits be rendered moot if Gab actually goes down? Will Torba have the foresight to archive all the posts in the event he can't find an alternate registrar in time?

No. I assume everything is backed up locally, but given their observed incompetence in other matters, I wouldn't swear to it.

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2017 6:11 AM  

@Difster: please keep providing us with gab status. Very entertaining and informative. I deleted my acct.

Anonymous Difster September 18, 2017 6:11 AM  

Markku wrote:I'm pretty sure the registrar only provides a DNS entry, and all the actual code and database are on a virtual machine or cloud service, that has its own IP. In other words, the registrar situation will have no effect on Torba's access to Gab. We others just won't know where to find it.

That depends on whether they were smart enough to set up their own DNS server or just use the Registrar's DNS manager. In the latter case, they could face problems if both parties don't cooperate.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 6:11 AM  

It's just a DNS issue. Gab might consider switching to some other TLD with "gab" in the name, and just have the DNS hosted on some other registrar that does nothing but relocate everything to the new domain. Over time all links get moved to the new domain and the old is just a straight redirector.

Anonymous Quotidian Solecism September 18, 2017 6:12 AM  

"Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin

2 hours

So:

>Vox tells people to report Gab registrar
>Registrar gives Gab 5 days
>Ram lies about illegality of post, calls in FBI
>Gab panics, deletes post, loses free speech high ground
>Now stuck with no registrar, no mandate
>Anti-Google lawsuit DOA
>Gab without website

With friends like these..."

Not sure how he's connecting the dots here.

Anonymous Difster September 18, 2017 6:13 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:@Difster: please keep providing us with gab status. Very entertaining and informative. I deleted my acct.

As much as I would love to, I have to hit the sack. Too bad, just when it was getting fun.

Blogger JACIII September 18, 2017 6:19 AM  

Quotidian Solecism wrote:"Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin

2 hours

So:

>Vox tells people to report Gab registrar

>Registrar gives Gab 5 days

>Ram lies about illegality of post, calls in FBI

>Gab panics, deletes post, loses free speech high ground

>Now stuck with no registrar, no mandate

>Anti-Google lawsuit DOA

>Gab without website

With friends like these..."

Not sure how he's connecting the dots here.



Holy hell. Waaaanglin is either dumber than everyone already thought or just more of a slimy opportunist than everyone thought. Or both.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 6:20 AM  

Critics can cry about my recommendation that users targeted for unlawful harassment complain to the registrar all they like, but it was solid advice and it was absolutely merited. Andrew Torba fully deserves the treatment he has received from Asia Registry. He sneered at his users, offered them no easy and inexpensive way to pursue redress, and should not be even a little surprised that all of those users except me chose that path.

I was the only Gab user who followed the course of action he recommended, I have literally paid for it, and have had people attacking me for doing so when instead I could have quietly complained to the registrar for free, and without anyone ever knowing I had done so.

And as I keep pointing out, this was an inevitable outcome. The various complaints by multiple users could, at least in theory, have been worked out. But once Gab took a public stance openly defying Australian law, the registrar was obligated to get rid of them.

Anonymous Circumsucker V2.0 - President Cuck Edition September 18, 2017 6:25 AM  

Dawwww the camel-jockey-loving sheep-shaggers are getting rid of Gab? Totes lame. Bummer dude.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 6:32 AM  

We're not quite at the level where I'd put money on it, but we know the Anglin Collective are pathological liars that need attention. Using Gab for their martyrdom would work pretty effectively.

Someone still went to the Registrar to get that meme on Tucker Carlson's show, and we've never gotten any word who it was. Things have been suspicious since that point in time. And it's not like you can believe the Anglins, anyway.

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 18, 2017 6:47 AM  

Further, they are going to be painting themselves into a corner.

Like they haven't been doing that already? For me, the onslaught of the Stormpoopers was the last straw for me. No way I can support them after that debacle.

All they had to do was listen to the one person who knew what they were talking about and had the foresight to say something about the potential problems that were likely to occur if they weren't immediately addressed. It was so simple. It really was.

Blogger roughcoat September 18, 2017 6:49 AM  

The only way they'll have issues with access to their server and content is if they were dumb enough to register their domain with their hosting provider.

In theory Torba could just tell everyone to update their hosts file to point gab.ai to whatever point of entry IP he wants, but that obviously brings up issues with discoverability, and 99% of computer users are not savvy enough to do it anyway without accidentally deleting system32 or something like that.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 18, 2017 6:50 AM  

JACIII wrote:Quotidian Solecism wrote:"Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin

2 hours

So:
>Vox tells people to report Gab registrar
>Registrar gives Gab 5 days
>Ram lies about illegality of post, calls in FBI
>Gab panics, deletes post, loses free speech high ground
>Now stuck with no registrar, no mandate
>Anti-Google lawsuit DOA
>Gab without website

With friends like these..."

Not sure how he's connecting the dots here.


Holy hell. Waaaanglin is either dumber than everyone already thought or just more of a slimy opportunist than everyone thought. Or both.


Anglin may see that Vox stepped away cleanly after the Microchip discussion and agreement. That leaves the Alt-Retard holding the bag for Gab's situation, along with its Management and their disfunctions.

Since Secret King can do no wrong, Anglin points and shrieks at Vox.

Blogger ZhukovG September 18, 2017 6:58 AM  

It's like some bizarre retelling of the last act of Hamlet. But is our esteemed host the conqueror(Fortinbras) or just the witness(Horatio)?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 18, 2017 6:59 AM  

This may be the cold water Torba needed. Has a way of putting priorities in order.

Anonymous Dave September 18, 2017 7:02 AM  

Next shoe to drop will be Pay Pal. Their CEO is textbook SJW. Also curious how many pro accounts have quit. Im not seeing many pro tags on the nazi postings.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 18, 2017 7:05 AM  

As usual, people are conflating their ideals and legal realities. Free speech is a luxury good, and a lot of people died to purchase it. For that you need the cultural concept of self-sacrifice, and for that you need a revival of Christianity.

Anonymous kHz September 18, 2017 7:12 AM  

Account deleted.

What a show.

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 18, 2017 7:13 AM  

@glosoli

Wow, reading comprehension fail. Vox only went to the AR AFTER the sperg posturing and doubling down occurred, and it also happened AFTER the filing in Texas. That more strikes me more as an "oh, by the way" than a direct assault.

A lot of us are surprised that the AR came down so hard so quickly. I don't think for a second that it was due to anything directly related to Vox's situation. It just happens to be a rather relevant coincidence.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 18, 2017 7:17 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:This may be the cold water Torba needed. Has a way of putting priorities in order.

So far it doesn't look like it. Up to this point any adversity has just caused him to dig in more. I suspect he is going to be casting blame towards anyone and everyone while simultaneously declaring that his position is stronger than ever.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 18, 2017 7:17 AM  

Interesting ... this didn't actually go all the way to the domain authority in Anguilla, but just to the company that registered the domain for Gab, which I didn't know was based in Australia.

Not that it mattered in this case -- it turns out Australian law and Anguilla law are close enough when it comes to criminal libel.

That would have been a lot of fun, actually: if you think stare decisis is hard to figure out in America or Australia, try figuring it out with several sets of laws that include pre-independence legal codes, and then add to that a national court, a regional court (that some Caricom countries choose to ignore), and the Privy Council of the United Kingdom ...

It would not have been boring. :-)

Blogger Lazarus September 18, 2017 7:28 AM  

glosoli wrote:Amazing. How to turn away loyal customers like me.

Lose one, gain a hundred. Not a bad trade.

Blogger Lazarus September 18, 2017 7:29 AM  

Difster wrote:Amy Torba's been triggered.

Now we know where Torba's legal advice originated.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 18, 2017 7:30 AM  

Considering that Vox has every right, and indeed every obligation, to defend his reputation, especially under the laws of where he presently resides?

Absolutely justfiable -- not a doubt in my mind.

Blogger Salt September 18, 2017 7:40 AM  

Torba is being walled off, one brick at a time.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 18, 2017 7:43 AM  

Salt wrote:Torba is being walled off, one brick at a time.

Sad thing is, the trowel is in his own hand.

Blogger Bodo Staron September 18, 2017 7:43 AM  

How about we go back on the Usenet.
And IRC.

Anonymous JAMES September 18, 2017 7:49 AM  

It looks very much like the Anglin kiddies have managed to take down both their Daily Stormer playground and Gab.

Through their own stupidity and a seemingly unquenchable need to be the biggest edgy goy on the internet they've handed the left all the moral license required to stomp on them and anyone who looks like them.

But they won't learn. They'll just blame the Jews for their own inadequacies and keep trying to rehabilitate Hitler.

Keep at it fellas. I'm sure "Gen Zyklon" is just around the corner.

Anonymous Gurpgork September 18, 2017 7:50 AM  

*slaps Bodo Staron around a bit with a large trout*

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 18, 2017 7:54 AM  

I go away for a couple weeks and come back to Thunderdome.

I hope no one broke the chandelier.

Blogger SouthRon September 18, 2017 7:59 AM  

"Amy Torba's been triggered"

At least he's got Mommy to tell him he's a good boy and its not his fault the other children don't understand how special he is, but someday he'll show them.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 8:01 AM  

thanks for breaking the only right wing, free speech platform on the internet, Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 8:02 AM  

interesting that a bunch of "right wing" activists, are more angry with the political right having free speech, than they are about the left.

This place has attacked the right 10x harder than it ever went after the left.

All you need to know.

Blogger BassmanCO September 18, 2017 8:10 AM  

Socialism has nothing to do with the right. So, no, this place has not been attacking the right.

Blogger BassmanCO September 18, 2017 8:11 AM  

Thanks for completely missingbthe actual events and who is responsible, meinnit.

Anonymous Rocklea September 18, 2017 8:13 AM  

All your free speech are belong to us.

Blogger Lazarus September 18, 2017 8:20 AM  

meinnit wrote:thanks for breaking the only right wing, free speech platform on the internet, Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

You are jumping the gun meinit. The Two Minutes Hate is not scheduled until 9a.m. Eastern.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 8:23 AM  

thanks for breaking the only right wing, free speech platform on the internet, Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

You really should be thanking Mr. Torba.

Blogger Markku September 18, 2017 8:36 AM  

I always hate it when a war is declared, but the enemy destroys itself before you have even had a chance to take hostile action. Vox was still busy with what Torba told him to do, while Torba decided to go all Leeroy Jenkins.

Anonymous johnc September 18, 2017 8:38 AM  

Hate speech laws are going to control the Internet in due time. I give it ten years and you won't be able to criticize Islam except in the darkest parts of the web. Anybody who doesn't think so is just being an ostrich.

And Alt-Tech isn't going to halt that push.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 18, 2017 8:42 AM  

johnc wrote:
And Alt-Tech isn't going to halt that push.


As always, jonhc, the ever bright and shining ray of hope.

Blogger dienw September 18, 2017 8:43 AM  

O.T. but it is about the law and suing people( anyway to sneak this in).
Can anyone explain to me why it was perfectly legal for the Federal government to withhold funds from states which did not comply with Elizabeth Dole's 55 mile an hour decree; why it is (up to now) perfectly legal withhold grants and funding to colleges and universities which won't bow the knee to Federal diktat; yet, it is now illegal, by judicial ukase, to withhold funds from states that not only refuse to obey Federal laws; but, in effect seceding from the United States.

From Infogalatic:
"'U.S. judge' sides against Trump in fight over 'sanctuary cities'"

Blogger Daniel September 18, 2017 8:44 AM  

many tweets cernocivh tweeted about hillary and bill before the election would have been deleted on sigth under these rules vox is pushing. Tweeter will be more rigth friendly thna gab (if it survives and adopts vox suggested moderation)

Blogger LP9 September 18, 2017 8:46 AM  

Good update.

Deleted account, gab stated it will take time to delete or complete request.

Anonymous Sensei September 18, 2017 8:48 AM  

thanks for breaking the only right wing, free speech platform on the internet, Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

If one individual worthy only of scorn could break it single-handedly, it deserved to be broken. If Gab were antifragile, this would be strengthening it. Sadly, Torba has shown himself to lack the necessary resilience, let alone antifragility.

Blogger Markku September 18, 2017 8:50 AM  

When will @getongab start Tweeting that their sources tell them that Vox will get the death penalty, and it brins them no pleasure to report this?

Anonymous Sensei September 18, 2017 8:53 AM  

"If one individual worthy only of scorn" - speaking hypothetically, if it wasn't clear. Vox's public conduct through this situation been remarkably patient and instructive. I wonder if that's because Torba actually did something? He didn't just talk, he put effort into building the kind of platform that was needed, but now he's tragically proving unable to keep it going.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 8:53 AM  

Wait, you're saying that LOUISE MENSCH is behind Gab?

I should have known it. Behind the madness, there is... even more madness!

Anonymous 0018 September 18, 2017 8:57 AM  

LP9 wrote:Good update.

Deleted account, gab stated it will take time to delete or complete request.


backlog...

Anonymous Avalanche September 18, 2017 8:59 AM  

basement-brewer I suspect he is going to be casting blame towards anyone and everyone while simultaneously declaring that his position is stronger than ever.

Hillary? Hillary, is that you?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 9:01 AM  

The Asia Registry letter didn't mention anything about defamation.

The reason doesn't matter. Any ToS worth the bytes a lawyer typed it with will have a clause like this one found in one registrar's ToS:

"However, we reserve the right to disable or remove any content to prevent harm to others or to the Company, as determined in our sole discretion."

In other words, bring too much trouble to their door, and you're out. The registrars were never staunch defenders of wide-open free speech. It only seemed that way because they didn't care, so they practiced a sort of benign neglect by having no customer service to speak of. You have no right to their services, so unless you want to take them to court like a homosexual couple suing a baker, they can show you the door at any time.

.ai is out of Anguilla, but you need a registrar that handles it.

And not every registrar handles every TLD, especially the nationality-based ones. For instance, he can't make whatever accomodation allowed Anglin to find safe harbor at his Austria-based registar, because they only do .AT domains. If he starts playing the "Where on the Internet is Gab today?" game, he'd lose most of his users. Hard-core fans may chase a domain around the web, but casual users won't. Also, a short, one-word domain like "gab.??" is likely to already be taken in many cases, so it would be a short chase.

Anonymous Avalanche September 18, 2017 9:03 AM  

dienw Can anyone explain to me why it was perfectly legal

Silly person. You're asking for a reasonable explanation for 100% UNreasonable people's actions!

When dealing with crazies -- do NOT try to understand what could possibly make them act that way; that will derive YOU crazy -- and not in a good way!

Blogger ZhukovG September 18, 2017 9:04 AM  

So Anglin and his prize crew of Fake-Right, Fake-Nationalist, village idiots soil another nest. They couldn't do a better job if they were on Soros' payroll.

Of course Torba, dancing in the light of his burning bridges, didn't help matters.

Anonymous Quotidian Solecism September 18, 2017 9:04 AM  

More Anglin creative dot-connecting, still taking the stance that he & VD are on the same side. Not sure if he's being disingenuous or really believes it. ("Ram" is RamZPaul. I've seen his tweets but don't know much about him.)

"Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin
an hour

Vox posted a blog telling people to complain to Gab's registrar.

Then the same day the attack succeeded, and gab got the boot, Ram brought in the Feds with a fake threat when @a was already on edge.

No idea if this was coordinated, but I do know Ram supported Vox against torba during that drama."


"Andrew AnglinPRO · @AndrewAnglin
5 hours

So.

It was Vox Day and Ram Paul who eventually tore down Gab.

Maybe there's a way out of this.

I don't know.

But this is why I told you all there needs to be a zero tolerance policy for this "attack your own team" bulls*t.

Name one time that it's been good to do that."

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 18, 2017 9:05 AM  

dienw wrote:Can anyone explain to me why it was perfectly legal for the Federal government...

See this post:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/09/justices-casino.html

The law is what the judges say it is in Weimerica.

Anonymous Casey September 18, 2017 9:10 AM  

congratulations.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 18, 2017 9:16 AM  

@Quotidian Solecism [September 18, 2017 9:04 AM]
More Anglin creative dot-connecting, still taking the stance that he & VD are on the same side. Not sure if he's being disingenuous or really believes it. ("Ram" is RamZPaul. I've seen his tweets but don't know much about him.)


And Secret King Anglin attempts to play his MPAI card at the Gab table.

Anonymous Jack September 18, 2017 9:20 AM  

Man #1: If you let those dogs run around the house, they're going to crap on the floor.
Man #2: Shut up, you're not the boss of me!
Dog: (makes big fat turd)
Chorus: This is all Man#1's fault!

from Sophocles' Retardicus Rex

https://gab.ai/PoliteSupremacist/posts/12277396

Blogger David Nelson September 18, 2017 9:22 AM  

What will be remembered is that VoxDay lead the charge against free speech because he got his feelings hurt. Losing the ability to speak freely should never be be celebrated.

Blogger SirGroggy September 18, 2017 9:25 AM  

What happened with RamZPaul? Something about the FBI and a threat from Torba or somebody else involved?
Can somebody outline that?

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2017 9:28 AM  

" More importantly, if you refuse to offer your users a reasonable form of redress they can easily afford when they are targeted for harassment"

Gab already offers users a way to deal with this, and it is highly effective. It is the block feature. No one on Gab can be harassed by anyone who is added to your block.

Anonymous johnc September 18, 2017 9:32 AM  

Can anyone explain to me...

Oh, I can. The Left only cares about one thing: winning. And they will do whatever it takes because they're not hindered by false "principles".

Notice how Obama wrote an illegal, unconstitutional EO to give us DACA, and now everyone is talking about how to make it official law. But you don't see Trump skirting Congress to build a wall; no sir.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 9:33 AM  

What will be remembered is that VoxDay lead the charge

What I remember is that people used to know it's "lead, led, led." Criminy. I swear I see that one every day now.

- Torba says his policy is to remove content if his registrar makes him.
- A bunch of users ask his registrar to make him delete certain content.
- His registrar says, "F--- this noise, he's outta here."
- Retards in the cheap seats blame Vox, as they were waiting to do.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 9:35 AM  

It was Vox Day and Ram Paul who eventually tore down Gab.

Torba told his users to "bring it on". They brought it on.

What are you crying about?

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2017 9:47 AM  

The joke's on all of you. Torba is playing 2^7D chess. The end game is to get .gab made a TLD. You'll see.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2017 9:48 AM  

Correction. That's (2^7 - 1)D chess.

Blogger Samuel Nock September 18, 2017 9:51 AM  

Vox Day is a gamer, which doesn't merely mean he likes to play them:

It means he learns the rules as they are in effect, figures out systems, identifies their flaws and -- depending on the situation -- exploits them (e.g. Hugo Awards / Rabid Puppies) or discloses them in order to improve it (e.g. what he tried to do with Gab).

It's hacking, and what he did with Gab was not malicious hacking.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 9:52 AM  

The end game is to get .gab made a TLD.

If he's able to create a registrar that will truly serve anyone without restriction, I'd consider that a win for everyone. I have the most chess of all!

Blogger horsewithnonick September 18, 2017 9:55 AM  

Amontillado!

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2017 9:56 AM  

GAB Implosion

http://www.captiongenerator.com/693732/The-Implosion-of-Gab

(Turn on the captions link in the bottom right of video)

Blogger dienw September 18, 2017 9:57 AM  

Avalanche wrote:dienw Can anyone explain to me why it was perfectly legal

Silly person. You're asking for a reasonable explanation for 100% UNreasonable people's actions!

When dealing with crazies -- do NOT try to understand what could possibly make them act that way; that will derive YOU crazy -- and not in a good way!


Avalanche, you have given the correct answer "because;" but you lose points you did it in a wordy legalese/psychological manner.

Blogger roughcoat September 18, 2017 9:57 AM  

I think all you need to do to make a TLD is have deep pockets and pick a TLD that doesn't conflict with others (in somewhat subjective ways).

From 2011: Can I create a top level domain?. TL;DR is it costs like $200k to start up and ~$6000 per year afterward. Probably takes awhile to wind through the approval process of course.

Anonymous Cohnster September 18, 2017 10:01 AM  

When a platform is launched and designed to allow small, fat boys to recommend Jews be put in ovens, you can't expect that platform to last too long.

Good riddance to the Gab. It earned its demise.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2017 10:03 AM  

I see I can troll like Godfrey (PBUH). It was a joke, fellow white people. A TLD would actually be a pretty cool move, but I doubt Torba can segue to that. Although he allegedly does have the money to do it.

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 18, 2017 10:05 AM  

VD wrote:What are you crying about?
You hit back.

Meanie.

Blogger roughcoat September 18, 2017 10:08 AM  

I knew you were joking, it's just your joke proposal makes way more sense than Torba's actual actions.

Blogger FALPhil September 18, 2017 10:09 AM  

dienw wrote:Can anyone explain to me why it was perfectly legal for the Federal government to withhold funds from states which did not comply with Elizabeth Dole's 55 mile an hour decree...

It's been a long time since I read the speed limit law, but I recall there was express language in the law about withholding funds.

Blogger roughcoat September 18, 2017 10:09 AM  

Oh, I was wrong about the yearly cost. I skimmed that page. It's more like $25k a year; it's $6250 per quarter, or was at the time of the answer.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2017 10:19 AM  

It is a sensible response in a way. But Torba handled it all wrong. The jury is out on his SJW-ness, but he lies, doubles down, and projects like one (or the gamma he is). That means his responses are, alas, comparably predictable. And they have been so far, even if only in hindsight.

Vox should set up .sdl. The world's most ruthless and cruel TLD.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 10:23 AM  

It was a joke, fellow white people.

I know, so was my response. But taking the idea seriously for those who don't know the details: he would have to run a registrar to support his new TLD and be prepared to defend it against the legal, social, and technological attacks that the Only Free Speech Registrar would come under. (Let's assume for the sake of argument that ICANN doesn't kill it in the cradle.) Someone might be able to do that. Nothing about the last couple weeks makes me think the founders of Gab do.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:24 AM  

Sensei wrote:thanks for breaking the only right wing, free speech platform on the internet, Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

If one individual worthy only of scorn could break it single-handedly, it deserved to be broken. If Gab were antifragile, this would be strengthening it. Sadly, Torba has shown himself to lack the necessary resilience, let alone antifragility.


Last year, did anyone see the internet registries deciding to police the internet.

nothing is broken, Just it is very easy to have marxist leaning registries pull a platform, "because they woke up in the wrong mood this morning"

Vox knows this, and is using the full force of the marxist system to punish the right.

I personally led a campaign, to have Vox Day pulled from the internet, by reporting his domain, and convincing approx 1000 people to do the same.

The fact that this domain is still standing, is enough proof for me, that vox day is a marxist, and is controlled opposition.

Anonymous Kat September 18, 2017 10:27 AM  

meinnit wrote:Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

Crypto should make a t-shirt with this to raise money for the King's College research.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:27 AM  

BassmanCO wrote:Socialism has nothing to do with the right. So, no, this place has not been attacking the right.

Glorious leader sez The Alt Right is not on the right, because economic arguments, so you must obey him like a perfect little lap dog.

This board, and the people here, are controlled opposition.
There is no other way to explain what is occurring

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 10:28 AM  

I personally led a campaign, to have Vox Day pulled from the internet, by reporting his domain, and convincing approx 1000 people to do the same.

See, you have to report actual posts. Simply reporting the domain exists is not sufficient. Also, spelling out the complaint in skittles is not the correct legal form.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2017 10:31 AM  

But Vox, Skittles can get the girl.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 10:32 AM  

I personally led a campaign

Your Star Wars action figures are not a real army.

Blogger roughcoat September 18, 2017 10:32 AM  

I personally led a campaign, to have Vox Day pulled from the internet, by reporting his domain, and convincing approx 1000 people to do the same.

You clearly don't understand how the internet works. This is Google's domain. No doubt if you actually did what you claim, they told you to piss off because he's not violating the TOS.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 10:32 AM  

@VD

"Also, spelling out the complaint in skittles is not the correct legal form."

But it would be hilarious. I feel a desire to throw my head back and laugh, Ivan Throne style. haha

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 10:33 AM  

I feel there's some synergy about why Bill Belichik has 5 rings and Andy Reid is never winning one in this discussion about running Internet companies.

Blogger allyn71 September 18, 2017 10:38 AM  

The fact that this domain is still standing, is enough proof for me, that vox day is a marxist, and is controlled opposition.

Gay and Retarded.

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2017 10:39 AM  

Also, spelling out the complaint in skittles is not the correct legal form.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Who said the Dark Lord has no sense of humor? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

thanks for breaking the only right wing, free speech platform on the internet, Glorious Right wing rainbow tutu leader vox

Hey, give credit where credit is due. Dammit.

Andrew Auernheimer

Andrew Auernheimer · @weev

4 hours

Jews have cornered the whole Internet, and I really think the only way we'll have any freedom of speech here is if someone teaches them a lesson.

Remember how there wasn't another Ruby Ridge or Waco after Timmy lit up the Murrah building?

People in power only learn one way.

(Comment at ReichGAB)

Blogger Orthodox September 18, 2017 10:40 AM  

One thing we learned from all this is the Nazis are actually extremist libertarians. You thought they were fascists, you thought they were arguing for fascism, but actually they want degeneracy enshrined as a Constitutional right.

Anonymous Faceless September 18, 2017 10:41 AM  

I observe gab.com advertises it is for sale, so he just needs to settle on a number with the current owner. He's flush with cash; he can make a little domain squatter happy. Then, he'll be back in the universal currency of domain registrations - a bona fide Dot Com.

Anonymous JamesV September 18, 2017 10:42 AM  

What a bunch of goobers the gabbers turned out to be.

I feel like there is a meme in there somewhere.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:42 AM  

What we learned here, Is if 1 person upsets vox gay, he will use his CIA contacts, to punish the other 269.000 people using the platform, like a good little leftist

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:44 AM  

Orthodox wrote:One thing we learned from all this is the Nazis are actually extremist libertarians. You thought they were fascists, you thought they were arguing for fascism, but actually they want degeneracy enshrined as a Constitutional right.


So the Nazis, who Vox Day has gone to war with, for not allowing a homosexual jew into the no gays/no jews movement, are actually the degenerate ones.

Sound logic bro

Blogger Sevron September 18, 2017 10:44 AM  

Louise Mench confirmed for "meinnit".

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 10:45 AM  

@Orthodox

I think what we learned is LARPing an ideology that worked very hard to make most of the world their enemy is a terrible thing to copy. But, I'll let Londo answer this one:

Londo Mollari: Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.

B5 is quotable in all situations.

But, seriously, don't set out to objectively make the entire world loathe your existence, especially the people that tolerate your existence but don't in any way agree with you. Though we now have great names for them.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:46 AM  

allyn71 wrote:The fact that this domain is still standing, is enough proof for me, that vox day is a marxist, and is controlled opposition.

Gay and Retarded.


I know right, when you are a vox day cultist, nothing in reality has to make sense.
The only thing you lot "know" is what your cult leader allows you.

This board, is a bastion on sophist non arguments, and SJW's pretending to be right wing.

Vox Day has really pissed off quarter of a million people, over 14 people.

I would be watching my back if i was him.

Blogger Lazarus September 18, 2017 10:47 AM  

meinnit wrote:What we learned here, Is if 1 person upsets vox gay, he will use his CIA contacts, to punish the other 269.000 people using the platform, like a good little leftist

Vox Day did nothing wrong.

Anonymous I'm Not A Nazi, Socialism Is Evil September 18, 2017 10:50 AM  

"Glorious leader sez The Alt Right is not on the right, because economic arguments"

Andrew Anglin encourages his readers to regularly hire prostitutes. Extremely right-wing.

Blogger Phelps September 18, 2017 10:50 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Lose one, gain a hundred. Not a bad trade.


There aren't a hundred more NSJWs to gain. Gab is holding pretty much all of the thousand or so NSJWs already.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:52 AM  

Lazarus wrote:meinnit wrote:What we learned here, Is if 1 person upsets vox gay, he will use his CIA contacts, to punish the other 269.000 people using the platform, like a good little leftist

Vox Day did nothing wrong.


When everyone here is being punished, over vox day I will remind you that the Alt Right did nothing wrong too

Blogger Phelps September 18, 2017 10:53 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:B5 is quotable in all situations.

In this case, Frisky Dingo is a better fit.

Val: Don't kill me!
Killface: Don't make it so appealing.

Blogger Orthodox September 18, 2017 10:53 AM  

So the Nazis, who Vox Day has gone to war with, for not allowing a homosexual jew into the no gays/no jews movement, are actually the degenerate ones.

Degeneracy was pushed through expanded definitions of the first amendment. Now supposed Nazis are trying to push the boundaries of the first amendment even wider than the ACLU.

What clown world are we in where Vox calls Nazis left-wing (which I disagree with!) and then most of the AltRight slams Vox for making this argument, then accuse him of whiggery (because if Nazis are left-wing, you are probably a whig). And then, they do a 180 and start arguing for an expanded first amendment. The next step is for Vox to be called a fasicst Nazi trying to take down Gab.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:55 AM  

Orthodox wrote:So the Nazis, who Vox Day has gone to war with, for not allowing a homosexual jew into the no gays/no jews movement, are actually the degenerate ones.

Degeneracy was pushed through expanded definitions of the first amendment. Now supposed Nazis are trying to push the boundaries of the first amendment even wider than the ACLU.

What clown world are we in where Vox calls Nazis left-wing (which I disagree with!) and then most of the AltRight slams Vox for making this argument, then accuse him of whiggery (because if Nazis are left-wing, you are probably a whig). And then, they do a 180 and start arguing for an expanded first amendment. The next step is for Vox to be called a fasicst Nazi trying to take down Gab.


No, You would sooner catch me accusing Vox Day of being a leftist, who is here to specifically subvert the right wing movement's traction

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 10:57 AM  

Daily Stormer - pulled for racism
StormFront - Pulled for racism
Infostormer - Pulled for racism
Gab AI - Pulled for racism

"The real right wing movement" - totally kosher

Blogger Orthodox September 18, 2017 10:57 AM  

subvert the right wing movement's traction

What traction? Nazis are out crying about their first amendment. Do you know why the KKK became a joke?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 18, 2017 10:57 AM  


You guys are a creepy cult, of 40 year old never been boomer tards.


The English, she not your first language is?

Blogger Markku September 18, 2017 10:58 AM  

You millennial little punks will learn that the age bracket you speak of is Generation X, we only just came to power, and we will be hard taskmasters to you.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 18, 2017 10:59 AM  


You guys are a creepy cult, of 40 year old never been boomer tards.


If there was a "bad H.P. Lovecraft" contest you could be a contender with that stuff, but needs more tentacles.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 11:05 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:

You guys are a creepy cult, of 40 year old never been boomer tards.


The English, she not your first language is?


Thank you for providing a good example, for why your cult will never be relevant

Grammar>Western civilization
Vox Days Ego>Western civilization
obeying the left>Western civilization.

As long as vox day is selling books, and deluding his followers, he will NEVER be interested in saving western civ.

Use all the "muh spelling mistake" arguments all you want.
It will never make you right about anything though.

Blogger VD September 18, 2017 11:06 AM  

You can comment, Meinnit, but you can't lie like that. Knock it off. You did not engage in a debate with me. And no one here believes that I am better than Jesus Christ.

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 11:06 AM  

Markku wrote:You millennial little punks will learn that the age bracket you speak of is Generation X, we only just came to power, and we will be hard taskmasters to you.

Looks like you are going to need infinite migrants forever, to look after you when you are old.

because your own people will not be willing to do it.

Blogger Matthew September 18, 2017 11:07 AM  

meinnit wrote:Markku wrote:You millennial little punks will learn that the age bracket you speak of is Generation X, we only just came to power, and we will be hard taskmasters to you.

Looks like you are going to need infinite migrants forever, to look after you when you are old.

because your own people will not be willing to do it.


So is the poop actually a Boomer projecting?

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 11:07 AM  

VD wrote:You can comment, Meinnit, but you can't lie like that. Knock it off. You did not engage in a debate with me. And no one here believes that I am better than Jesus Christ.

You can pretend your sock puppets are not you all you want.
But it does not mean they are not you

Blogger artensoll September 18, 2017 11:08 AM  

"I would be watching my back if i was him."

#HisNameWasVoxDay

Blogger Jack Aubrey September 18, 2017 11:09 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:

You guys are a creepy cult, of 40 year old never been boomer tards.


The English, she not your first language is?


Date arithmetic isn't his strong suit, either.

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2017 11:13 AM  

Meinnitwit:

Fun Fact: the AltRight originated with the Joooooos.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/218712/spencer-gottfried-alt-right

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263988/some-observations-man-who-created-alt-right-paul-gottfried

Anonymous 0018 September 18, 2017 11:13 AM  

After all of this, I can't wait for the next time a shapiro or a scalzi or a jemisin publicly calls Vox a white supremist nazi.

Blogger S1AL September 18, 2017 11:14 AM  

"You millennial little punks will learn that the age bracket you speak of is Generation X, we only just came to power, and we will be hard taskmasters to you."

Are you saying that you will...

Finnish the job?

Blogger roughcoat September 18, 2017 11:14 AM  

The poop does sound like Louise Mensch. Shoulda said no to drugs.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 18, 2017 11:16 AM  

@S1AL

That was an amazingly terrible pun.

I salute you, good sir.

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2017 11:16 AM  

S1AL wrote:"You millennial little punks will learn that the age bracket you speak of is Generation X, we only just came to power, and we will be hard taskmasters to you."

Are you saying that you will...

Finnish the job?


Beware the Finnquisition!

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 18, 2017 11:20 AM  

Thank you for providing a good example, for why your cult will never be relevant

Gamma butthurt is so common nowadays, and so unoriginal.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 18, 2017 11:22 AM  

Markku wrote:I always hate it when a war is declared, but the enemy destroys itself before you have even had a chance to take hostile action. Vox was still busy with what Torba told him to do, while Torba decided to go all Leeroy Jenkins.

At least Leeroy got chicken.

Torba's stuck with a bucket of #AltRetard.

As badly as he handled his wipeout, I genuinely feel pity for him. I'm not about to express my sympathy to him directly on Gab, though. He might use it against me.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 18, 2017 11:22 AM  

What we learned here, Is if 1 person upsets vox gay, he will use his CIA contacts, to punish the other 269.000 people using the platform, like a good little leftist


Vox called Nazi's leftists. I see you are now using your most powerful argument of "I know you are but what am I?"

Blogger Koanic September 18, 2017 11:27 AM  

> You millennial little punks will learn that the age bracket you speak of is Generation X, we only just came to power, and we will be hard taskmasters to you.

My father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.

Anonymous I'm Not A Nazi, Socialism Is Evil September 18, 2017 11:30 AM  

"NSJWs"

I prefer "National Antisocialists," shortens to "Nanzis."

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 18, 2017 11:30 AM  

"Rolling Stone" magazine is now for sale. Perhaps someone could buy that and take it alt-Something. Smashed glass table not included.

Blogger DeploraBard September 18, 2017 11:30 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:I personally led a campaign

Your Star Wars action figures are not a real army.


Thread winner. Hilarious.

Anonymous BBGKB September 18, 2017 11:33 AM  

Well I guess I should start a post your best moslem moohamad pics topic while it lasts.

Blogger FALPhil September 18, 2017 11:35 AM  

Orthodox wrote:(because if Nazis are left-wing, you are probably a whig)

How does identifying the nationalist-collectivist tendencies of the 1930s - 1940s Nazi Germany translate into a belief in a loose interpretation of the US Constitution and funding the federal government with high tariffs?

Blogger Matthew September 18, 2017 11:38 AM  

#Judeohammad

Blogger Uncle Max September 18, 2017 11:41 AM  

well... this has all escalated quickly. Damn.

Blogger Orthodox September 18, 2017 11:50 AM  

How does identifying the nationalist-collectivist tendencies of the 1930s - 1940s Nazi Germany

Because only Anglos define left-wing in this manner. The European Right is collectivist.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 18, 2017 11:52 AM  

Because the laws, as written, specified that those consequences could ensue in the former, and apparently do not do so in the latter.

Pretty darn convenient, I do warrant.

Blogger S1AL September 18, 2017 11:52 AM  

"Because only Anglos define left-wing in this manner. The European Right is collectivist."

According to whom?

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 12:11 PM  

Why do you guys hate jews?

I mean, whatever your moral stance, At least the "Nazis" that are "Evil" and "Nasty" and say "Hurty Words" actually have enough respect for them, to refer to them by their correct name, Which is "Jew"

What is with this J00000000000s malarky? Do you guys here really hate jews that much, that you cannot stoop to using the correct name?

You lot really hate jews, I thought the Alt Right was bad!

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare September 18, 2017 12:11 PM  

No, Markku is going to...

"Finnish Him!!!"

:-P

Oh, and "Nobody expects the ELoE's Fannish Finnquisition!"

Blogger meinnit September 18, 2017 12:19 PM  

my time here is over, This web domain is going into my website blocker app. to ensure it gains no more views.

I would like to note though, (i dont care what your delusion is on the matter)
You guys are punching right, harder than you have ever punched left.

You justify your claim, that everyone not on Vox Days side is a mini anglin, who is definately beyond irredemable, and certainly a full left wing (lol not everthing is economics you know) Nazi.

But you do know that you have dragged alot of people into this, who never gave a shit about Anglin, never followed him, etc.

You guys, are teaming with the globalists, because your exhalted leader, has beef with 1 man.

Great optics, (but it is ok right, tho cos your boss said, everyone who is not on his team is left wing, and needs to be brought down)

Nice justification. Hope it helps you sleep at night.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 18, 2017 12:23 PM  

aew51183 wrote:
They wouldn't be able to sue Asia Registry.

Australian "hate speech" law was designed by islamists. It's the broadest and most censorious ever enacted in a western nation, and completely consistent with Australia's record being the boot stepping on a human face in whatever realm you happen to be examining on a given day.

This is a complete failure of due diligence on Torba's part on multiple levels, from the original choice of registrar and TLD to the stubborn refusal to move post-haste once the oversight had been brought to light.


Yes, yes and yes. Australia is another satrapy of the Fake Banana Empire which is a totalitarian anarcho-tyranny masquerading as a "democracy". As in the Kwa-Banana homeland, there is no rule of law and all appeals to "muh constitution", "tradition of English common law", etc. are more ghost-dancing. Torba was a fool to set up with a registrar there if he wanted Gab to have anything resembling free speech.

Over and above this foolishness there is the fact that Torba's behavior is truly epic in its shortsightedness and stupidity. He could have followed VD's very reasonable advice and canned those who were indulging in actual defamation - which, as noted, rather forced AR to kick him out regardless of their own view about 'hate speech' laws (which are only enforced against whites wherever they exist). It's entirely possible that those who run Asia Registry would have been less than enthusiastic about wasting valuable company time and resources serving as the Australo-Banana jackboot badthink-polizei ladies' auxiliary division and allowed Gab to operate under the radar for a number of years until a registrar was established in a place where there were no such obscene laws over what the zeks can think. Torba proved that he simply was not tall enough for this ride. Maybe he'll learn from it, maybe not. He could have learned it the easer way about two weeks ago.

Blogger haus frau September 18, 2017 12:23 PM  

Flouncy flounce flounce flounce right out the door...dont forget to slam that door too or we might not understand the full depth of your flouncy flouncing.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 18, 2017 12:25 PM  

Burn level: Castle Bravo

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 18, 2017 12:26 PM  

meinnit wrote:my time here is over, This web domain is going into my website blocker app. to ensure it gains no more views.

Gamma posts again in 3... 2.....

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2017 12:30 PM  

> Vox only went to the AR AFTER the sperg posturing and doubling down occurred

AFAIK, Vox hasn't gone to the AR at all. He's done what Gab told him to do and filed a court case. He's only suggested that others without his financial resources may wish to contact the AR.

> How about we go back on the Usenet. And IRC.

Neither have gone away. Though access Usenet is a lot harder than it used to be.

> But you don't see Trump skirting Congress to build a wall; no sir.

Give Congress time enough, and they'll make his doing so a necessity. Then, all bets are off.

Looks like Gab is going to try to go with https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/

Here are their TOS:

CONTENT

You are solely responsible for any and all information, literature, software, works of art, or any other materials ("Content") you make available using the Services.

You may not upload, publish, or otherwise use the Services to make available any Content that:

violates the laws of the United States of America; or
you are contractually prohibited from distributing; or
is tortious under the laws of the United States of America; or
your distribution of which infringes upon the intellectual property rights of others; or
you otherwise do not have the legal right to distribute.

CONDUCT

You may not:

impersonate or falsely represent affiliation with NearlyFreeSpeech.NET, its employees, owners, or contractors; or
engage in any activity that would cause NearlyFreeSpeech.NET to be in violation of the terms of service it obtains from other parties; or
interfere with or disrupt the operation of the Services, or equipment used in providing the Services; or
allow any other individual to use your NearlyFreeSpeech.NET username and password to access our systems; or
verbally abuse, harass, or threaten NearlyFreeSpeech.NET, its employees, owners, or contractors.

I'd say their current policies might cause problems with the first and third content rules and the second conduct rule.

Anonymous I'm Not A Nazi, Socialism Is Evil September 18, 2017 12:52 PM  

Andrew Anglin is SO right-wing, that he endorses ethnic domination

"My response would have been that it is the order of nature for the strong to dominate the weak, and if the Poles didn't want to be dominated by Germany, they should have become stronger than Germany."

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 18, 2017 12:52 PM  

dienw wrote:
O.T. but it is about the law and suing people( anyway to sneak this in).

Can anyone explain to me why it was perfectly legal for the Federal government to withhold funds from states which did not comply with Elizabeth Dole's 55 mile an hour decree; why it is (up to now) perfectly legal withhold grants and funding to colleges and universities which won't bow the knee to Federal diktat; yet, it is now illegal, by judicial ukase, to withhold funds from states that not only refuse to obey Federal laws; but, in effect seceding from the United States.

From Infogalatic:

"'U.S. judge' sides against Trump in fight over 'sanctuary cities'"


Because there is no law in the Fake Banana Empire. The "law" is whatever the cloud people declare it to be (more precisely, whatever a blackrobed minion of the cloud people declare it to be). As I recall, Montana discussed not allowing the BATFE to enforce the NFA upon those who operated only within the state back in the teleprompter-readership of Housenigga Hussein. That notion of states-rights died in short order. Chicago, California and others who openly order their badge-gangs to not enforce laws are what the cloud people want, so that's a different matter. Most zeks have no understanding of such matters but instead natter on about "muh constitution" and similar ghost-dancing about things that no longer exist.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 18, 2017 12:53 PM  

my time here is over,

Door. Butt. Way out.

Blogger dav September 18, 2017 1:21 PM  

Punching right is easy, punching left is hard. Our brave, Vox, hoped to earn some Pokemon points by starting some Internet shitfest. The difference between Vox and your run of the mill National Review cuckservative is one of degree, not kind. Now I have to give it to the man, he's smart, he did a lot of damage to his own side. Like a modern Buckley, stabbing everyone in the back to add the chicken hawk feather to his cap. As for his excuses of "muh principles" and "trust me son, this hurts me more", I've seen tumblrinas with eight word "genders" that were virtue signaling less than Vox.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 18, 2017 1:25 PM  

Matthew wrote:#Judeohammad

I've been seeing references to our shared islamo-judeo-christian heritage sprouting up like weeds lately.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 18, 2017 1:30 PM  

Orthodox wrote:
So the Nazis, who Vox Day has gone to war with, for not allowing a homosexual jew into the no gays/no jews movement, are actually the degenerate ones.

Degeneracy was pushed through expanded definitions of the first amendment. Now supposed Nazis are trying to push the boundaries of the first amendment even wider than the ACLU.

What clown world are we in where Vox calls Nazis left-wing (which I disagree with!) and then most of the AltRight slams Vox for making this argument, then accuse him of whiggery (because if Nazis are left-wing, you are probably a whig). And then, they do a 180 and start arguing for an expanded first amendment. The next step is for Vox to be called a fasicst Nazi trying to take down Gab.


The whole thing is crazy and VD is one of the less crazy actors in this farce. Even Kim-Jong Crazy looks less so with each passing day. The whole shitstorm about Nazi is itself madness in light of the fact that the only Nazis in Charlottesville were fake-Nazis of one kind or another: Soros-funded actors who unfurled fresh Nazi flags, Anglin - who is so mal-edumacated that he has no concept of what an actual Nazi is or was (but nevertheless wants to own the term), and Jason Kessler, an Obamabot OWS infiltrator who only became a Nazi after Trump was elected and miraculously rise to a leadership role in a "Unite the Right" rally to save a statute of Robert E. Lee, a man Anglin probably never heard of. The reality is that there are fewer actual Nazis in the USSA than there are actual Christians, while there are a large number of fakes for both categories about.

It's all been a win for the deep-state, the (((fake news))) and of course the cloud people, despite the fact that the official narrative of Charlottesville has utterly collapsed - even though this is largely unnoticed even here: Heather Heyer / Jabba the Huttess died of a heart-attack likely the result of morbid obesity, smoking and other known high-risk behavior, the two badge-gang members died in a chopper crash in the same county as Charlottesville, and both the local badge-gang and the Antifas were the actual cause of the riot. The rioters won with the support of government at all levels, as they are in St. Louis right now. Oh, and let's not forget that a promising alternative to Twatter just shot itself in the head over what amounts to a pissing match.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 18, 2017 1:34 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:Matthew wrote:#Judeohammad

I've been seeing references to our shared islamo-judeo-christian heritage sprouting up like weeds lately.


Nothing new about it. It's all there in Vatican II and in similar documents signed by every Prot denomination from even before that. World and National Council of Chruches, etc. etc., etc. One-world religion, one-world government.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 18, 2017 1:42 PM  

dav, National Socialism isn't Right Wing and refusing to be defamed by Leftists isn't punching right

the Nazi crowd isn't going welcome by anyone on the Right period and no one will repeat the mistake the Alt Right made by assuming they could behave in a civilized fashion while in public.

This doesn't mean the .Alt Right is any less pro White only that the Fake Right are idiots

Blogger Mocheirge September 18, 2017 1:43 PM  

I'm Not A Nazi, Socialism Is Evil wrote:Andrew Anglin is SO right-wing, that he endorses ethnic domination

"My response would have been that it is the order of nature for the strong to dominate the weak, and if the Poles didn't want to be dominated by Germany, they should have become stronger than Germany."


I've seen several Alt-Reich accounts expressing pride in their Polish/Russian/etc. ancestry. It made me wonder: What's dumber than a Nazi?

A Slavic Nazi. Why would you endorse a regime that wants you dead? That's the sort of SWPL thing liberals do. It's like they are "of the left".

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 1:47 PM  

Though access Usenet is a lot harder than it used to be.

I have a free account at eternal-september.org which seems to work okay; it just doesn't carry any of the binaries (prOn and warez) groups. I have another free one at xsusenet.com, but they changed their free accounts to non-posting at some point, so I may need to start paying there.

Blogger S1AL September 18, 2017 1:51 PM  

"This doesn't mean the .Alt Right is any less pro White only that the Fake Right are idiots."

DeGaulle once said that "Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."

Even if you don't agree with his definitions, the alt-Retards demonstrate that he had a point.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2017 1:54 PM  

The rioters won with the support of government at all levels, as they are in St. Louis right now.

OT: Maybe not so much. There's a report that StL police, after arresting dozens of rioters, were chanting "Whose streets? OUR streets!" last night. Sounds like they're getting fed up with babysitting rioters.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 18, 2017 2:06 PM  

@Looking Glass [September 18, 2017 10:45 AM]
Londo Mollari: Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.

B5 is quotable in all situations.


Always.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2017 2:50 PM  

> I have a free account at eternal-september.org which seems to work okay...

Thanks for the reference. I may take a look at it if I can ever find the time. That won't be this year though. :(

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 18, 2017 3:19 PM  

Salt September 18, 2017 7:40 AM
Torba is being walled off, one brick at a time.



Torba is walling HIMSELF off, one brick at a time.

that's what is so damn stupid here.

it's not bad enough that he is refusing to remedy Defamation, he registered his domain under Law which explicitly forbids deprecating people because of their Race
...
and then goes to the wall protecting the Speech of people who's ideology is entirely and explicitly Racist.

that's TWO critical *and obvious* failure points.

it's one thing to get surprised by some baroque or esoteric combination of Law or Principle. it's another thing altogether to stand up in Public and declare that the Law doesn't apply to you, because you're a Special Snowflake.

Courts rather enjoy taking a blowtorch to Special Snowflakes who declare that the Law doesn't apply to them.

and everybody who isn't a #MommasBoy knows better than to get in between a Court and a Sperg bleating about how he has special exemptions from the Law.



JamesV September 18, 2017 10:42 AM
I feel like there is a meme in there somewhere.



Andrew Torba is Daniel Cormier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BT1zrUnuKw


meinnit September 18, 2017 10:42 AM
What we learned here, Is if 1 person upsets vox gay, he will use his CIA contacts,



to do what Andrew Derpa TOLD him / them to do?

you do realize that only a pussy complains when you do exactly what he told you you should do, yes?

pussies be Alpha in Current Year.


meinnit September 18, 2017 10:46 AM
The only thing you lot "know" is what your cult leader allows you.


which is why multiple regular posters have had extensive debates with Vox?

because Vox only permits those who agree with him?


roughcoat September 18, 2017 11:14 AM
The poop does sound like Louise Mensch. Shoulda said no to drugs.



she shoulda said "No" to sucking Arnold off. have you seen that maid?



Orthodox September 18, 2017 11:50 AM
Because only Anglos define left-wing in this manner.



liar. the proto-Communists of the French Revolution ( from which the entire concept of Right and Left originates ) also defined Left as being Socialist.

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2017 3:39 PM  

Interesting:

Meinnit in this thread: "Why do you guys hate jews?"

Cohnster also in this thread: "When a platform is launched and designed to allow small, fat boys to recommend Jews be put in ovens, you can't expect that platform to last too long."

It was for the latter that I and likely many here finally broke with gab. Several reasons, primarily being that it's counter-productive.

This 'crisis' is nothing new. Have been going on for ages. But the key is finding the place where one advances, rather than repeats or regresses. So whatever you think of them, using blunt force against an extremely powerful group is foolish.

When the dust settles, we will continue figuring out how to advance the argument that some groups just cannot be in close proximity and develop terms of peaceful disengagement/future interaction.

And by certain groups, I am in no way focusing on one. There are many of my own kind who also need to be brought 'into the light' (this writer included), WITHOUT violence.


Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2017 3:47 PM  

I was thinking earlier about those IQ-deficient jihadis who go around blowing up, stabbing, raping etc etc and wondering if there's some type of parallel with the 'gab meltdown.'

Like, if gab was allowed to continue without wise counsel and strict legal restraint, would we not have seen it progress to the point where 'local lads' start doing the same as GloboJihadInc?

IOW, the jihadis are reflective of an ideology that has lost any measurable restraint and is being commanded by lunatics.

That, or it's in their blood.

Blogger Lazarus September 18, 2017 11:20 PM  

dav wrote:Punching right is easy, punching left is hard. Our brave, Vox, hoped to earn some Pokemon points by starting some Internet shitfest. The difference between Vox and your run of the mill National Review cuckservative is one of degree, not kind. Now I have to give it to the man, he's smart, he did a lot of damage to his own side. Like a modern Buckley, stabbing everyone in the back to add the chicken hawk feather to his cap. As for his excuses of "muh principles" and "trust me son, this hurts me more", I've seen tumblrinas with eight word "genders" that were virtue signaling less than Vox.

Not ready for prime time, dav. Hot in India? Seriously, Pokemon points? National Review? Buckley? Everything in the post?
I am flabbergasted. Look it up in the Hindi/English dictionary.

Blogger froginblender September 19, 2017 12:45 AM  

VD wrote:Torba has Silicon Valley stars in his eyes. He wants to be a tech billionaire and a Very Important Personage, not a petty con artist.

No pressure from his family ... it's not like they've already measured the drapes to their future mansion or anything like that ...

https://gab.ai/bobtorba/posts/11542510

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 19, 2017 1:19 AM  

I'm Not A Nazi, Socialism Is Evil wrote:"My response would have been that it is the order of nature for the strong to dominate the weak, and if the Poles didn't want to be dominated by Germany, they should have become stronger than Germany." --Anglin

Our response is that it is the order of nature for the strong to dominate the weak, and if the Alt-Retard didn't want to be dominated by the actual alt-Right, they should have become stronger than the VFM. -Vile Faceless Minions of the Evil Legion of Evil.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable September 19, 2017 6:27 AM  

meinnit wrote:I personally led a campaign, to have Vox Day pulled from the internet, by reporting his domain, and convincing approx 1000 people to do the same.

The fact that this domain is still standing, is enough proof for me, that vox day is a marxist, and is controlled opposition.


If you're ineffective, then your opponent is evil?

You sound like a Republican.

Blogger Martin September 19, 2017 8:46 AM  

Vox fucked up beyond redemption. By the way, why did Vox start infogalactic when there already was Metapedia? Vox is the errendboy of the establishement. D I S G U S T I N G.

Blogger James Rutledge Roesch September 20, 2017 10:31 AM  

Vox is bringing down Gab because he's butthurt about the Daily Stormer. What a guy!

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