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Saturday, September 16, 2017

Gab wants war

And now Andrew Torba has publicly endorsed people attempting to doxx and report hate speech by his users despite the way in which doing so would clearly violate's Gab's Terms of Service. At this point, given the unprofessionalism and obvious lack of self-control being demonstrated by Andrew, I think it is safe to conclude that Gab is dead. It simply hasn't stopped moving yet.
Microchip · @Microchip
Link me @voxday's dox when/if you have it. Don't be shy, it's public record somewhere and it's time to ensure the safety of our allies.

Spacebunny Day · @Spacebunny
@a thinks this is okay - not against ToS or anything. Gab is doomed.

Microchip · @Microchip
Why wouldn't be okay? If it's public info, it's public info, if you allowed your info to be posted somewhere online, not Gab's problem, that's your problem.

Pepe Memes · @Pepe_Memes
Die of breast cancer, you fucking cunt

Spacebunny Day · @Spacebunny
@a @e @u - brilliant work you're doing. Truly.

Microchip · @Microchip
Don't be bad at this, Space lady, I'm not asking for anyone to do anything illegal here, I'm asking for @voxday's info so I can send the police to his home and have him arrested for hate crimes.

Spacebunny Day · @Spacebunny
I said against ToS, dear. Gab claims to moderate, they demonstrably don't. Not only do they not have a chance against Google, they won't last, period. It's disappointing. You, however, are boring.

Andrew TorbaPRO · @a
Lol. Yes, we do. We just don't "moderate" to the whining crybaby standards of your husband. He's not the boss here. Period.

Todd Kincannon @ToddKincannon
I am open to persuasion, but that has not been my experience. Also, the ToS expressly disclaim a duty to moderate, while reserving a right to moderate. Don't you agree with that? cc: @a @u @voxday

Spacebunny Day · @Spacebunny
He never claimed to be, dear. You shouldn't have bragged about not moderating and not just to Vox.

Andrew TorbaPRO · @a
Cry more sweetie. Whine more.

Spacebunny Day · @Spacebunny
Not crying, dear. Just observing.

Justin Bailey · @Botany_Bay16309
So are you going to remove the post trying to dox Vox Day, or are you just a bald faced liar?

Andrew TorbaPRO · @a
No dox occurred. If info is public it is public. Not our problem. Public info is public domain. Deal with it.

Andrew TorbaPRO · @a
Wow if I lived in a country that had "hate speech" laws I'd be pretty worried about what has been published on my "blog." Someone might "report" it or something.
The actual Terms of Service cited:

Considering that, unlike Gab, my blog doesn't even violate Google's rules concerning hate speech, I can't say I'm terribly worried about being found at fault for violating any European hate crime statutes. And if I was, I would simply do as directed and remove them to resolve the situation.

As usual, Americans have absolutely no idea how Europeans do things.

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Blogger NO GOOGLES September 16, 2017 6:38 PM  

Really disappointing to see Torba acting like a petulant child. Gab really needs to put an adult in charge if they actually want to compete against twatter.

Anonymous BBGKB September 16, 2017 6:41 PM  

I had high hopes for gab.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook September 16, 2017 6:41 PM  

This wont end well. By his own standards a Gab user can post child porn and face no resistance from mods/management.

Anonymous Justin Bailey September 16, 2017 6:42 PM  

Woo my Gab made VP. Excellent timing too, since I deleted my account shortly after Torba replied to me. I think it's funny that I was in the middle of replying to your other topic on this when this broke.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/09/gab-belatedly-files-suit.html#c2165066892530335425

Guess I was proven right before I even posted.

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs September 16, 2017 6:42 PM  

The dude is talking about filing false police reports to either have you, and potentially your family, arrested or injured and Torba thinks there's nothing immoral or criminal about that.

I don't even care if he's vindictive or just stupid, that's fucked up.

Blogger NO GOOGLES September 16, 2017 6:42 PM  

Wow, AND Torba is making veiled threats about reporting people for "hate speech"? He's not even pretending to be a free speech absolutist anymore.

Blogger Chris McCullough September 16, 2017 6:43 PM  

What happened to Torba that made him so antagonistic?

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs September 16, 2017 6:45 PM  

The Dark Lord did what he was told to do to remove defamatory statements.

Blogger Chiva September 16, 2017 6:46 PM  

What happened to Torba that made him so antagonistic?

Arrogance.

Anonymous David The Good September 16, 2017 6:46 PM  

I'm done. Just deleted my account.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 6:48 PM  

Agree completely.

I understand how marxists/SJWs would infiltrate gab and attack you en masse.

This microchip had a post 7 hours ago that stated "some leftist journalists I work with." Not a very bright fellow.

Like I stated earlier, the internet isn't ready for gab. Or vice versa. I think you are correct that it's time to let it flounder.

As for Torba: his co-founder is an anti-Trump Turkish muslim (as found in the google lawsuit).

We were there for gab at the beginning, pushing the narrative, only to be turned upon so fast. Really cannot see it as a loss if we pull up stakes and leave.

Will decide in the following few days.

p.s. strongly advise SBunny to stay out of it. It's your call, and she has a right to stick up for what's right, but she's just adding fuel to the fire.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 6:52 PM  

Microchip sure sounds like a leftist with his "allies" talk.

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 6:53 PM  

strongly advise SBunny to stay out of it. It's your call, and she has a right to stick up for what's right, but she's just adding fuel to the fire.

You have it entirely backwards. She's the only reason I knew what was on Gab at all. I canceled my Pro subscription and stopped using my account except for when I need to scoop up some more posts to provide the woman at the registrar who has requested them.

What happened to Torba that made him so antagonistic?

Apparently he finally realized that I don't bluff. And he's too proud to back down and apologize before it is too late. He'll destroy his own company first.

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 6:54 PM  

O' by the way, I have cornered the popcorn concession. All your crunchies are belong to me...ahahahahah....

Too much?

Blogger centexguy September 16, 2017 6:54 PM  

Just deleted my Gab account.

Anonymous Anonymous September 16, 2017 6:55 PM  

I would agree that @a is being unproffesional. What Microchip is doing is not at all different from what you are doing however.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 6:57 PM  

The Achilles heel of the Alpha. I've been guilty of it myself occasionally.

Blogger pyrrhus September 16, 2017 6:58 PM  

I had no idea that Torba was so nuts...

Blogger Kauf Buch September 16, 2017 6:58 PM  

You ought to consider starting OOG
(Out Of Goolag).
Best wishes!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2017 6:59 PM  

Threatening to swat somebody and filing a libel suit are totallt the same thing. Obviously.
I mean, they both make Anony feel bad.

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 6:59 PM  

Seriously, tho', quite often a young entrepreneur needs to have the arrogance slapped out of him before he can start making good decisions, no matter how smart he thinks he is.

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 7:00 PM  

I am very happy my Gab investment didn't clear in the first round. I was able to cancel every cent of it. It was an amount I could risk, but it was definitely substantial.

Torba is proving himself to be an absolute fool.

Blogger Guitar Man September 16, 2017 7:02 PM  

Torba is no alpha.

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 7:04 PM  

Torba thinks he is an Alpha. That's most of the problem.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 7:04 PM  

That was a glimmer of mercy, now expended. Co wider the fact that Torba has declared war on Google and Vox. This is the secret King in action.

Blogger #7139 September 16, 2017 7:07 PM  

Damn, just damn.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 7:08 PM  

Torba and his ilk using "muh first amendment" as though it's a magical right that makes everyone stand in awe. Little respect for nuance and the big picture.

Like I said, I don't gab is ready for primetime.

Anonymous BBGKB September 16, 2017 7:09 PM  

What happened to Torba that made him so antagonistic?

He moved to Philly. The entire NYC to DC corridor turns people to a-holes.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 7:09 PM  

Deleted my account. Torba basically gave the green light for his minions to go after me. This after repeatedly trying to stay on issue and meeting high school brigading.

Way too old for that b.s.

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 7:10 PM  

I should point out... I have followed @microchip for a long time when he was still on twitter. He is not your average troll. He is also not alt-reich, or even alt-right. He can be very effective and understands how to use social media in a way that very few do. There have been many national news stories (fake and true, but always spun for his purpose) that can be traced directly back to him. He is weaponized autism in the flesh.

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 7:12 PM  

He is weaponized autism in the flesh.

I wonder whose side he is actually on?

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 7:14 PM  

It's also entirely possible that @microchip is trying to destroy Gab, not VD. He is an artist when it comes to these things. It's impossible to tell which side he's on a lot of the time.

Blogger Guitar Man September 16, 2017 7:14 PM  

Deleted account. Not that I ever used it. The model was useless to me.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 7:14 PM  

Myself and many others here have weathered many storms over the years, with Vox Day to thank for giving us direction, laughs and instruction.

We are obviously at a new stage. Things getting personal. When the next false flag incurs massive censorship, arrests etc people will be looking for a scapegoat.

Let's not be that scapegoat. Let gab flounder. It's converged IMO.

Let Vox Popoli develop in the next while a new 'directive' that reflects this new reality.

And, VD, I meant no disrespect to you or your wife. Was trying to help you both stay out of the clusterf that gab has become (btw, we're about three months apart in age, which is why we tend to see things the same way).

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 7:15 PM  

VD wrote:He is weaponized autism in the flesh.

I wonder whose side he is actually on?


Exactly...

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 7:17 PM  

Umm, Vox...can we have our comment numbers back now?

I'm kinda,sorta pretty sure that most of us might be able to figger out when the numbers change due to dumbasses being "retired".

Asking for all my friends...



Blogger VD September 16, 2017 7:18 PM  

VD, I meant no disrespect to you or your wife. Was trying to help you both stay out of the clusterf that gab has become.

None taken. I've been paying very little attention to Gab. I simply don't have the time. I haven't even read the filing against Google yet.

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 7:18 PM  

Umm, Vox...can we have our comment numbers back now?

Better wait a while yet.

Blogger Nate September 16, 2017 7:19 PM  

wow... So Gab was started by a spoiled 15 year old boy with anger issue.

impressive.

Blogger James Dixon September 16, 2017 7:21 PM  

Ah well, a small investment in Gab goes down the drain. I was hopeful, but there's no use crying over split milk.

I'll ask Meredith to see if there's still time to cancel it, but it was a flyer with money we could afford to lose, so I'll take it as another lesson learned.

Blogger Guitar Man September 16, 2017 7:23 PM  

Vox is at his best when he's swinging punches. Gab will lose, and they will remove those posts.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 16, 2017 7:23 PM  

Gab does seem to be slitting its own throat, does it not?

Anonymous Neobali September 16, 2017 7:24 PM  

Disgraceful behavior. Should've known it would get to this when Torba was doing his retarded "alpha" posturing in e-mails.

Gab is finished. And even if it isn't, Torba just proved himself unfit to be a leader in the Alt-Tech movement. He has lost credibility that cannot be regained. Deleting my Gab account.

Blogger Martin September 16, 2017 7:24 PM  

So, uhm, this whole thing is that someone gabbed something mean about Vox? And, he, hm, wants to sue Gab? Im perplexed.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams September 16, 2017 7:24 PM  

I hope you and Meredith can get your money back, @James Dixon.

That goes for anyone else looking to bail.

Anonymous Dave September 16, 2017 7:24 PM  

He's from Scranton, so he was already one.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 16, 2017 7:25 PM  

Come on Vox, man, get along with someone in the alt right, ha.

Blogger Guitar Man September 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

"So, uhm..." /ignores rest of the sentence.

Blogger Jack Rayner September 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

Some people can't handle the pressure, I guess. This is very erratic behavior from Torpa, Gab won't last very long like this.

I wonder who'll take the next shot at building an unbiased twitter alternative...

Anonymous HL September 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

"As usual, Americans have absolutely no idea how Europeans do things."

The lack of care about rules, whether official enforcement or from other citizens calling people out, was the main thing that stuck out to me when I spent some time in Italy. I mentioned that to my host and he told me that as long as you're not directly hurting someone, they just don't give a damn about most things we Americans would.

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

James Dixon wrote:I'll ask Meredith to see if there's still time to cancel it, but it was a flyer with money we could afford to lose, so I'll take it as another lesson learned.

If it's still showing up under "my investments" in StartEngine, you should be able to. However, the "cancel" button did not work for me, so I had to contact Start Engine support to have them cancel it manually.

Blogger Steampunk Koala September 16, 2017 7:27 PM  

It's disappointing, but there will be new options. If Torba wants to let his ship turn to detritus in the Alt Tech current, so be it. More will come.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 16, 2017 7:34 PM  

Deleted previous comment to avoid misinterpretation.

The level of derp Torba and Gab are displaying is enough to do damage to the space-time continuum.

Someone have Wesley reconfigure the doubletalk generators to channel phased antiderpatrons through the main deflector dish...

Blogger Sam Spade September 16, 2017 7:37 PM  

Gab guys have gone insane. What happened?

Maybe it's binary thinking in action. They have to permit everything no matter how fucked up it is to fulfill their ideal of free speech.

Just like lefties with equality.

Anonymous Patron September 16, 2017 7:40 PM  

I'm looking at this and... honestly we already have 4chan & 8chan for the internet's shitposting needs. Why do we need a Twitter version of them?

Can't say I'm impressed by the Gab team's behaviour on Gab either. Yeah, I know it's meant to be quasi-Platonic-free-speech-central, but it just seems so unprofessional.

Blogger Mercy September 16, 2017 7:40 PM  

Can you imagine pulling this stunt shortly after getting people to invest in your company? What if it fails as a result? Some of those people may be quite unhappy. Has he even considered that? If he's stressed now, just wait. I hope he has a good support network or something.

Anonymous StoA September 16, 2017 7:41 PM  

So, some guy named Torba doesn't know how Italians work? I'm shocked! Shocked!

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 7:45 PM  

I think what we are seeing with Gab is the classic example of new enterprise trying to attract customers.

Torba has positioned himself in the "free speech" arena, hoping to be able attract the right wing (traditionally the actual free speech wing) and the moderate/soft left.

This was working for awhile, until he ran into a bump in the road, an actual free speech/libel/defamation issue.

So what did he do?

He whiffed.

While he talks the talk, and projects himself as the Great Salesman of Our Liberties, he is ultimately just a moderate.

Why? Because he has to be to attract the larger base of customers, who are in fact mostly moderates, because MPAI, right?

So, is it any surprise that he can't handle a challenge, no matter how benign or even well intentiond?

As i have said before, he needs to lose one, before he understands how to play the game.


Blogger EscapeVelocity September 16, 2017 7:47 PM  

Im not emotionally invested in this at all, but it seems to me that you just block these people and move on.

This seems to be the Voxday version of Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn nonsense.

But Im only loosely aware of the foolishness.

Blogger Skyler the Weird September 16, 2017 7:52 PM  

Forgot my password and never could get a reset email from GAB.

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 7:52 PM  

I mentioned that to my host and he told me that as long as you're not directly hurting someone, they just don't give a damn about most things we Americans would.

There are 28 CONVICTED felons currently seated in the Italian or European parliament. Including Mario Borghezio, who was fined for beating a Moroccan child and for arson of the belongings of some immigrants sleeping under a bridge.

Blogger Unknown September 16, 2017 7:53 PM  

I deleted my Gab account as well. Not like I used it much.
I do not agree with executive level staff acting like this is Jr high.

Unknownsailor

Blogger The Kurgan September 16, 2017 7:53 PM  

The problem with Americans is that they generally think America IS the whole world. While the reality is the whole world doesn't think very much of America or the way they try to impose their elephantine lack of grace on the world.
Torba is about to be introduced to a somewhat common English sexual fetish: spanking.

Anonymous c0pperheaded September 16, 2017 7:53 PM  

My favorite comment here lately was by I think JACIII, which was something like, "Finally, DreadIlk can quit pretending they like gab."

Anonymous Job September 16, 2017 7:56 PM  

Torba's recent behavior has made me want to see Gab burned to the ground, just for shits.

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 7:57 PM  

Gabbed this link around.

Yes, gab wants a war. I didn't but this is all legal.

Minutes ago, I saw Microchip, Andrew's, Amy's, Difters, etc., comments.

I tracked pepe memes and some others content. All they have is calling women bad words to which I say are not arguments but are just sick to stupid.


Latest to my acct;

"Reply to @Love
×
4 minutes: Vox just accused Torba of a felony. In print. LMFAO Vox is fucked"

2 mins ago to me which is nothing I care about insults like this towards women mean nothing to us;


"@Kolarov
Slut."

These are sick people going after everyone first, I never contacted the daily stormer pple at Gab, I took notice of them about 6 weeks ago, they came to me first.

More;


@Microchip
"His history, he has a history of targeting people and sending his followers after said person, I'm worried that this is very serious this time, he's accusing me of trying SWAT him, and I'm just doing my duty as a global citizen, I think he wants me dead. "

I stated no one here or from Vox or the Day's would ever harm anyone - never.

This is a legal isue and I have tried to think, "well, prefrontal cortex, age 25, young person new in business, a christian that started gab, appeared on alex jones, did some impressive interviews during the summer, everything seemed on the up and up until July, the vibes changed over there.

I thought Ustav was ok but that has all changed given the recorded calls/email threat and now Andrew T is acting very poorly.

Anonymous Patron September 16, 2017 8:01 PM  

@VD ICYMI

https://gab.ai/a/posts/12225415

Torba wants his foreword removed from SJWADD apparently.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2017 8:04 PM  

Would you say that this represents Torba Doubling Down?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 16, 2017 8:06 PM  

It looks like it.

He is acting like when I trigger an SJW and their hamster wheel gets to spinning.

Its sad, I have enjoyed Gab until recently.

Blogger roughcoat September 16, 2017 8:06 PM  

Patron wrote:@VD ICYMI

https://gab.ai/a/posts/12225415

Torba wants his foreword removed from SJWADD apparently.


Hilarious.

I'm tempted to think this fight is all an elaborate troll job y'all are running on us, because it's hard to believe Torba could become such a grade A petty cunt so quickly.

Some people just can't handle success.

Blogger Anno Ruse September 16, 2017 8:08 PM  

The only way this could get funnier is if Torba gets caught hitting on underage Gab users.

Blogger Markku September 16, 2017 8:09 PM  

I can give my personal promise to you that this is all real.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2017 8:09 PM  

This after a limited run 1st round of investment. Imagine what he'd be like after an actual success.

Anonymous grayman September 16, 2017 8:10 PM  

Wow, the lack of professionalism in torba's exchange with spacebunny is both telling and unfortunate.
Things do not look good for gab.

Anonymous Faceless September 16, 2017 8:11 PM  

You know, it was fun when I'd sign in and the home screen was 30 tasteless jokes on a theme. The gab home screen this evening was Metallica group therapy levels of weak and stupid. Party's over.

Anonymous Stickwick September 16, 2017 8:12 PM  

Yeesh, this is getting too nutty for me. Account deleted.

VD: There are 28 CONVICTED felons currently seated in the Italian or European parliament. Including Mario Borghezio, who was fined for beating a Moroccan child and for arson of the belongings of some immigrants sleeping under a bridge.

Fans of Black Adder the Third will remember the episode where Blackadder is trying to make Baldrick an MP. He's filling out the application and asks Baldrick if he has a criminal record:

Blackadder: Now then; criminal record...

Baldrick: Absolutely not.

Blackadder: Oh, come on, Baldrick, you're going to be an MP, for God's sake! I'll just put fraud and sexual deviancy. Now; minimum bribe level...

Blogger Alfred Genesson September 16, 2017 8:13 PM  

Does Torba not realize he's entering potential "accessory to" territory if something happens?

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis September 16, 2017 8:15 PM  

Yeah, I deleted my account too. Hated Gab from the beginning. I just supported for Vox's sake.

Blogger Geoarrge September 16, 2017 8:15 PM  

Seems to me that the most efficient way to destroy Gab now would be for Google to (pretend to) endorse Vox's recommendations.

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 8:16 PM  

O' by the way, need I remind you that you have to buy all your popcorn from me?

Ka'ching!

Anonymous Just another commenter September 16, 2017 8:17 PM  

Wow.
Very, very strange. Washington DC may not be the only echo chamber.
Gab went from interesting to WTF at internet speed.

Would it be cruel to say he may have taken vox's advice to "fail faster" a little bit too literally?

Blogger NO GOOGLES September 16, 2017 8:17 PM  

It's really telling that the supposed "free speech absolutist" doesn't understand that no country has ever defined free speech to include defamation or threats.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 8:19 PM  

We are at a point where there is so much disinformation, cluttered messaging and alliance-breaking that it's virtually impossible to make sense of it all.

Which is all the more reason to take a step back and observe from a distance. Let other groups get caught up in the inevitable current.

Blogger roughcoat September 16, 2017 8:20 PM  

Torba is just being crazy. It's like he successfully flew a glider and immediately decided he was ready to build a moon base; in fact, that the moon base was practically already built. Thus, he could behave as if his epic success was a foregone conclusion, and he should be recognized as the Moon King.

All this while his glider was still rolling after its first flight.

Crazy.

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2017 8:21 PM  

To the extent that Gab's potential for success hinges on Torba's ability to put his company ahead of his ego, to not behave publicly as a troll, and to not be lighting the torches for the mobs at his back, yes, Gab is doomed.

Anonymous Avenge Harambe September 16, 2017 8:22 PM  

It's over...just deleted my Gab account.

Blogger roughcoat September 16, 2017 8:22 PM  

Now Torba's shitting up the darkstream periscope comments.

Unreal.

Anonymous Patron September 16, 2017 8:23 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:We are at a point where there is so much disinformation, cluttered messaging and alliance-breaking that it's virtually impossible to make sense of it all.

Which is all the more reason to take a step back and observe from a distance. Let other groups get caught up in the inevitable current.


Mhmm. Think I'll try and stick to more harmless stuff, or at least the more drama-free topics.

Blogger Johnny September 16, 2017 8:23 PM  

The really unfortunate thing and therefore the damning thing for Torba, is his inability to sort out what is important. The hassles with Vox Day are a back burner thing. Good, bad or indifferent, doesn't matter. The focus should be on Google with resources all dedicated to that, not this other stuff.

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2017 8:29 PM  

Gab has a moderation policy. It is the Gab will not moderate unless forced to do so by their internet registrar, and they will publicly attack anyone who requests moderation.

So, yes, Gab does not moderate itself on its own terms. It instead punts to an outside entity to make moderation decisions, and then it files suit when some other outside entity that Gab wants as a platform bars Gab's entry because Gab doesn't actually moderate.

Blogger Baldwin IV September 16, 2017 8:30 PM  

What the hell? Andrew is acting like a child

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 16, 2017 8:30 PM  

BBGKB wrote:What happened to Torba that made him so antagonistic?

He moved to Philly. The entire NYC to DC corridor turns people to a-holes.


Well, as someone else mentioned upthread, he's from Scranton. In my experience, as a native Pennsylvanian myself, you get two kinds of people from that area: true believers and laid back. Torba falls into the first category, no question.

I went ahead and deleted my account, as well. Damned shame. With all of the butthurt that was apparent from that site in the past two weeks, it was well beyond time to go.

Goes exactly to my point from an earlier thread: most people don't care about the internal politics of the operators, they care about how the site is run. If you're going to let it be run like a junior high/middle school boys' locker room, then most people would rather go somewhere else. It's that simple. Most people have better things to do with their time.

Sorry that it had to come to this, Vox.

Blogger SteelPalm September 16, 2017 8:31 PM  

Eh, I wanted to give Gab a chance after their initial, unseemly, petty squabbles with Vox. (I am frequently a fan of two different personalities who outright hate one another)

But this is truly pathetic. At first, I had simply assumed Torba, being surrounded by enemies on all sides for so long, had false fired on Vox over an issue that didn't deserve it.

But these are truly juvenile little tactics that hurt Torba a hundred times worse than they do Vox.

Blogger Quilp September 16, 2017 8:35 PM  

" He's not the boss here. Period."...My 5 year old Niece used to scream something similar back in the day. He's come undone.

Blogger Markku September 16, 2017 8:36 PM  

Come ooooon Stickwick, you KNOW there is a happy fun place in the internet for just these sort of events.

Blogger Hans Maulwurf September 16, 2017 8:37 PM  

@glosoli: Nice try, Troll but Vox was simply giving more details to his point not contradicting himelf.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 8:37 PM  

Anyone else notice a glaring lack of gloating on behalf of the altleft, Anglin-ites etc?

They expected to find us scrambling, panicking but instead we are just mildly surprised and find it more of a loss on gab's part that a substantial portion of its initial base has turned away.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2017 8:39 PM  

Torba is making Google 's case for them. All Google has to do is pull up Torba's activity on Gab and here to show the court / judge how unstable Torba is.

This is a multi million dollar example of "see this is why we can't have nice things" .

Blogger DeploraBard September 16, 2017 8:42 PM  

At least he is young enough to start over if it all goes badly. I was only paying attention because of the coverage here. I support those doing what I can't if we are on the same side, but I wasn't convinced investing there would be worthwhile. Rather support IG, Castalia, and Voxiversity as soon as I get around to it. Alt-hero too, looking forward to that. Huge comic fan until gay X men in 03. Have not bought one since.

Blogger Flannel Avenger September 16, 2017 8:43 PM  

Yes, Stickwick. You know you miss us....

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2017 8:43 PM  

Apparently he finally realized that I don't bluff. And he's too proud to back down and apologize before it is too late. He'll destroy his own company first.

The tell was "don't try to out Alpha me."

No natural Alpha would say that. It just wouldn't occur to him to do so.

Anonymous Jack September 16, 2017 8:44 PM  

There's a saying that if you know the word "bourgeoisie," you are part of it. Isn't "alpha" kind of the opposite, like if you actually say "I'm more alpha than you'll ever be," you're just showing that you're not?

That and these snarky comments to Vox and SB like a damned teenager. It looks like he's just trying to show off to the altard trolls that he apparently values more than anyone else. Way to ghettoize your company, genius.

Anonymous Avenge Harambe September 16, 2017 8:44 PM  

This should serve as a lesson to all those who give the Alt-Retards a pass and space to destroy....

Anonymous Stryker4570 September 16, 2017 8:45 PM  

Just deleted my account. The veiled threats by Torba are passive aggressive faggotry. Never could stomach that shit. Deeply disappointing that those guys turned out to be tools.

Blogger DeploraBard September 16, 2017 8:45 PM  

Also, YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2017 8:45 PM  

Really disappointing to see Torba acting like a petulant child.

That's what's stood out to me since the beginning of this. But I'm an old man, so I don't grok the hip lingo of the younger generation of tech wizards, so I tried to make allowances for the "lol"s and such in communications about a serious situation. Shouldn't have bothered. They're not young, they're childish.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 8:47 PM  

I gave Torba the benefit of the doubt last week, but, well, I guess anyone can burn down the potential for 100s of millions in a short period of time. I'll keep my account for now, but this is disappointing. Vox's comment about not being ready for prime time seems even more apt.

Blogger gilbert September 16, 2017 8:49 PM  

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Blogger Mastermind September 16, 2017 8:50 PM  

Torba is right, the guy asked for public information, so it doesn't break their TOS. It's not Torba, but Vox who is too proud to realize there is nothing left for him to win. Even if Vox shuts down Gab and crunches up Torba under tank threads, he would have gotten absolutely nothing out of the deal except a severely damaged reputation with most of the right.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 16, 2017 8:51 PM  

Fight north to south people.

Not east to west.

Nothing is accomplished otherwise.

Anonymous Avalanche September 16, 2017 8:53 PM  

Deleted my gab account.

Blogger Lazarus September 16, 2017 8:53 PM  

Gee, I think I will mess with a guy who was trained in the philosophy of combat which is "Start nothing, finish everything", and will burn down the world to protect his family.

Torba shoulda done some background checks on Vox's philosophy before he started longcocking.

Plus, the most dangerous time for any company is when they are expanding their operations. Must be done with great care and study.

All they had to do was be a place that did not kowtow to SJW pressure.

Easy-peasy, yes?

This start your own platforms thingy seems to be more difficult than one would imagine.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 8:55 PM  

@DeploraBard: "Alt-hero too, looking forward to that. Huge comic fan"

Hope Diversity & Comics is the real deal. He's been punching up/left for a while and gaining momentum (even mentioned VD and the 3 Laws numerous times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G4dOBPZV9A

Blogger Mastermind September 16, 2017 8:56 PM  

Avenge Harambe wrote:This should serve as a lesson to all those who give the Alt-Retards a pass and space to destroy....

btw, when you're trying to salvage the alt right brand, it's a huge own goal to make and disseminate mocking versions of that label. Or even funnier, create and use "altreich" and thus help further entrench the people you're trying to take it from into public consciousness.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 16, 2017 8:56 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:I gave Torba the benefit of the doubt last week, but, well, I guess anyone can burn down the potential for 100s of millions in a short period of time. I'll keep my account for now, but this is disappointing. Vox's comment about not being ready for prime time seems even more apt.

Same here. This sums up my thoughts at this point.

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 8:57 PM  


@Love
I ain't watchin that shit nigger give me a transcript
Solidified in Gold · @LP9
really; https://www.periscope.tv/voxday/1ynKOVpvqdVxR


All I did was send the Vox peri

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 8:58 PM  

Even if Vox shuts down Gab and crunches up Torba under tank threads, he would have gotten absolutely nothing out of the deal except a severely damaged reputation with most of the right.

Mastermind, with all due respect, I was first informed that I had zero credibility back in 2001. If I was ever going to care about that sort of thing, I would have then. But I didn't. And I don't care now.

You guys all hate Milo too. And Mike. And Jack. You hate pretty much everyone. So, why would I care if you hate me too?

Torba is right, the guy asked for public information, so it doesn't break their TOS

The guy asked for my home address. It says RIGHT HERE ON THE PART QUOTED ON THIS PAGE that home addresses are included in the information considered confidential by the TOS. So, yes, it most certainly does violate that.

Blogger Lazarus September 16, 2017 8:58 PM  

Mastermind wrote:Torba is right, the guy asked for public information, so it doesn't break their TOS.

Did you read their TOS? Home addresses are verboten, but are public information.

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 8:58 PM  

Andrew TorbaPRO · @a
an hour
Hi @voxday I hope this is done. If not our lawyer will be in touch this week.


I was right to tell newer pple to not invest in gab.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 8:59 PM  

@Cail Corishev

I was willing to let the first week go, simply because ambiguity could have caused the first dust up and when a thousand things are attacking you, you can over-react to something. But at this point, this just seems to be a Design Flaw in Gab that's sustained by a Character Flaw in Torba.

This wasn't a hard problem to solve. It's not a branding issue. There were always going to be needs for TOS updates to patch vectors of attack no one thought about. Keeping Bots under control was always going to take work. Certain features would need improvements over time. There was a lot of work and the plan for Gab was to transition into something else over time, but that was going to take a lot of work that was worth it.

Wouldn't be the first Company with a solid platform & direction to burn itself down over weird issues. At least it's not a suitcase full of cocaine.

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 8:59 PM  

Criticize Gab and Torba if you like. But save the personal insults for Gab's site; they welcome that sort of thing there.

Here, not so much.

Anonymous Avalanche September 16, 2017 9:00 PM  

Vox: CONVICTED felons currently seated in the Italian or European parliament. Including Mario Borghezio, who was fined for beating a Moroccan child and for arson of the belongings of some immigrants sleeping under a bridge.

Yeah but THOSE ought not be felonies!! If those people were where they belonged, NONE of that could have happened! They MUST go back!

Anonymous Stickwick September 16, 2017 9:00 PM  

Markku, Flannel... you're too right.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 16, 2017 9:01 PM  

What the actual Fuck?

Blogger Sevron September 16, 2017 9:02 PM  

Voting for "burn it all down" now. The Microchip faggotry makes it a must.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 9:02 PM  

@Man of the Atom

Btw, thanks for all of the Upvotes & Retweets! Gab needed some design tweaking still, but it was a lot easier to have a conversation there. And, lord, the edit button was nice.

Anonymous Anonymous September 16, 2017 9:03 PM  

Vox Day more like Vox Eichenwald

Anonymous Battlefrog September 16, 2017 9:04 PM  

gilbert wrote:Microchip is *not* secretly on VD's side: "No, I won't chill out, I won't stop until @voxday is in jail and his children are in protective custody.

Probably not, but nothing he says can be taken at face value. One could say he's something of an epistemological anarchist.

Anonymous Casey September 16, 2017 9:05 PM  

Apparently,...

Gab. Doesn't. Care.

Anonymous Avalanche September 16, 2017 9:05 PM  

O' by the way, need I remind you that you have to buy all your popcorn from me?

Oops, well, maybe as soon as I run out of that prepper's "ten x 55-gal-drums of popcorn" I got on sale?

I'll give yah a call, in... what? 'nother couple of months? Shouldn't last much longer?

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 9:09 PM  

LovePRO · @Love
23 minutes
Lol, pretending that Vox's little shitfit was somehow a warning to Torba to not tackle Google, are you literally retarded?
Deplorable Code MonkeyPRO · @DeplorableCodeMonkey
I only said that vox told torba to knock it off. That's like one third worlder hearing another saying "I'm gonna go piss off Russia" and saying "I would do that shit if I were you."


mins in gab;

Andrew TorbaPRO · @a
a day
‪We need your help to take on Google. You can do so here: https://www.paypal.me/getongab‬
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Tony HPRO · @TH
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Calling yourself "Supreme Dark Lord" is okay in World of Warcraft when you're 15, but as an adult...
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RPRO · @MemorialRifleRange
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Who knew the "Supreme Dark Lord" was in reality a 'man' who acts like spoiled 5 Y/O and throws a figurative fist pounding, screaming tantrum when someone uses his very advise against him. His supporters need to wake to the fact they have been duped by the man-child.
Supreme Panty Wad Lord.
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Amy Torba PRO · @Amy
44 minutes
Supreme Dark Lord is so controlled on his periscope. So condescending Bashing Gab and everyone here. Unbelievable. Such a traitor. I've never seen a more pathetic man child
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Ekrem BüyükkayaPRO · @e
3 hours
Guys, trust me we are going to have all the features you ask. I'm working my ass off here but we need a bigger team. And we have the resources to do that, I just don't want to fill this company with lots of regular engineers. We need a very small and creative team of engineers.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 9:11 PM  

One thing I will take away from all of this: Follow Ivan Throne on social media. Seriously, Ivan's a great guy, but his ability to stomp on the Stormpoopers is so enjoyable to watch.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 9:13 PM  

I will state here that IMO anyone here who takes the lefts bait and start slinging insults is not cut from the same cloth as us.

Anyone in this for a while recognizes the left will try to bait us into emotional response/make us look bad.

Again: keep out of the tit-for-tat.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 16, 2017 9:14 PM  

Deleted.

What I find sad is the number of people who just...

Well, one guy I'd pegged as not too dumb - sadly mistaken - who'd been raising bot and other issues for a while now, suddenly is all pro-Torba anti-vox. Binary thinking too. "Literally told his followers to libel people" - OK, but that's the "only just" version, not the "in response to being libeled as a racist (which can get you fired)" version - and ignoring what Vox later admitted, or the behavior directed at vox being far, FAR beyond "just" calling him names.

Yeah, yeah. MPAI.

Anonymous FP September 16, 2017 9:15 PM  

Torba: "Wow if I lived in a country that had "hate speech" laws I'd be pretty worried about what has been published on my "blog." Someone might "report" it or something."

Gab is incorporated in Texas right? Perhaps Mr. Torba should be made aware that a Texan teenager was jailed for making a "threat" on facebook several years ago, all over a league of legends game. A "threat" that was immediately followed by "lol j/k" posts.

Bastions of free speech indeed. You're one cranky attention whoring DA away from a world of hurt there Gab. Talk a bout a week of crazy. And many of these same supposed free speech advocates are freaking out about Trump supposedly selling out on immigration.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright September 16, 2017 9:17 PM  

This is extremely sad. All the good useful tech is converged.

And the Alt-Tech can't even not squabble among themselves.

We're doomed.

Anonymous Anonymous September 16, 2017 9:17 PM  

Oh, but you forgot, I can't be stopped, and what Voxday has done here today will be answered with the same fury that he pretends to met out, just wait to see what happens. I think you're going to enjoy the ride

Anonymous Anonymous September 16, 2017 9:19 PM  

Here, let me help you guys out: I am the most most connected person here on the internet when ti comes to global politics. You decided to do X, and I told you if you do X, you will get Y, and I'm complying with that promise.

Blogger Mountain Man September 16, 2017 9:20 PM  

Looks like they might as well just drop the G and replace it with an S.
Torba's inner gamma is really beginning to show.

Blogger S1AL September 16, 2017 9:21 PM  

I don't normally go in for "try-hard" as an insult, but...

Torba is a freaking try-hard. Terrible look for Mr. "I'm more alpha than you'll ever be".

Blogger VD September 16, 2017 9:21 PM  

And the Alt-Tech can't even not squabble among themselves.

It's well beyond a squabble, Jagi.

OpenID Micus Expectorus September 16, 2017 9:22 PM  

I had a ton of fun poking at Microchip's programmer skills on Gab so that I could embarrass him, and he's pretty predictable.

He thinks he's a "programming god" because he learned ARM Neon SIMD intrinsics. I've been optimizing with SIMD intrinsics since before he could write a single line of code, and I'm not very old. If he's a "different sort of troll," well, I'm not convinced. He's a retarded overconfident sperg who I would fire from my development team in a heartbeat.

He ran off after telling me he could keep going forever. I think I hurt his feelings. Poor widdle pwogwammer!

Now that I engaged him and sized him up, I'm not the slightest bit worried about Microchip. He talks big, and talks a lot, and...that's about it.

Anonymous Patron September 16, 2017 9:23 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:We're doomed.

Chin up, Mrs Wright.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 16, 2017 9:25 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:This is extremely sad. All the good useful tech is converged.

And the Alt-Tech can't even not squabble among themselves.

We're doomed.


Have faith and don't despair. This is just the beginning.

Blogger Man of the Atom September 16, 2017 9:27 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@Man of the Atom

Btw, thanks for all of the Upvotes & Retweets! Gab needed some design tweaking still, but it was a lot easier to have a conversation there. And, lord, the edit button was nice.


It was good convo and analysis, so well-earned recognition must be given! Thanks!

Anonymous Looking Glass September 16, 2017 9:27 PM  

@S1AL

One stating "I'm more alpha" has always lost. The nature of the dominant position is no one has to question it and, if they do, you drop a hammer on their head without saying anything. It's the nature of real power & ability to enforce Will.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 16, 2017 9:28 PM  



@Man of the Atom

Also, ditto on the reposts and upvotes. And the comments on my blog (it's moved, btw)

Who knew the "Supreme Dark Lord" was in reality a 'man' who acts like spoiled 5 Y/O and throws a figurative fist pounding, screaming tantrum when someone uses his very advise against him. His supporters need to wake to the fact they have been duped by the man-child.

Heh. Leaving aside the "never figured out why he got that name" - never bothered to watch the periscopes of Vox or Torba either.

Torba is notably less self-posessed in his periscopes, even with Vox's moving back and forth, and was that way well before this kerfluffle.



Amy Torba PRO · @Amy
44 minutes
Supreme Dark Lord is so controlled on his periscope. So condescending Bashing Gab and everyone here. Unbelievable. Such a traitor. I've never seen a more pathetic man child


"So controlled" - but having a screaming hissy fit like a man child.

so which is it?

Blogger rws September 16, 2017 9:29 PM  

Jagi, don't you understand that this just fun for Men?

Blogger LP9 September 16, 2017 9:30 PM  

I am sorry Vox and I am sorry to the admins, I wont post anymore content from gab.

This is a legal issue not a personal one but in my view it is personal atttacks on the Day's and others here; attacking Mrs. Day, myself and other women is not ok but I think I can say us women dont care, we comment right back with courage and confidence, all these weak pple have a null, void insults; these sick pple are going after parents, trashing SB and its wrong, defamation is not free speech and libelous claims are also upon others at gab stating they are ______.

I use the attitude of calling the vile or evil, non entities but that might not be everyones strategy or reply.

Blogger Lazarus September 16, 2017 9:30 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:This is extremely sad. All the good useful tech is converged.

And the Alt-Tech can't even not squabble among themselves.

We're doomed.


Families squabble. If one has no expectations, one is never disappointed.

Besides, we were doomed before. Still doomed is easy to get used to.

Blogger SirHamster September 16, 2017 9:30 PM  

c0pperheaded wrote:My favorite comment here lately was by I think JACIII, which was something like, "Finally, DreadIlk can quit pretending they like gab."

I subscribed to Gab and donated a little, but I realized a few months back that I actually spend more time on Twitter. More content, even with the SJW-related issues.

The most activity I've had on Gab is flaming the stupidity of the Alt-Retards in the past week. Got some quality entertainment out of that, at least.

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 16, 2017 9:34 PM  

Last Redoubt wrote:

@Man of the Atom

Also, ditto on the reposts and upvotes. And the comments on my blog (it's moved, btw)



Happy to upvote good stuff. Yes, I saw the new blog -- excellent! And bookmarked, but I have to stop being lazy on comments!

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2017 9:34 PM  

FakeAlpha

Blogger Ransom Smith September 16, 2017 9:38 PM  

Torba is from Scranton?
Well then...

Andrew you ignorant Slut!

Anonymous Darth Wheatley September 16, 2017 9:42 PM  

All that work creating content on and for Gab... down the drain. I'm going to delete everything, because people will identify me and try to get me in trouble (ironically enough) for saying things they didn't like.

If anything, the VFM tried to keep things reasonable. Created content, interacted, built the user base, even advertised for them en masse.

All for them to completely shit on all of us, even the non-aggressive ones.

Well, I've got better things to do with my time and energy. Not going to delete my account, because I started up a writer's group. But I'll be damned if I put any more effort into content creation for them.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2017 9:46 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:This is extremely sad. All the good useful tech is converged.

And the Alt-Tech can't even not squabble among themselves.

We're doomed.


I don't think so. I really don't.

Honestly AltTech was bound to have more failures than successes.

That's just the nature of being in business.

"What is a failed billionaire and how do I become one?"

By failing repeatedly.

Blogger Dave September 16, 2017 9:47 PM  

Goolag's legal department must be laughing their asses off.

Blogger James Dixon September 16, 2017 9:48 PM  

> While the reality is the whole world doesn't think very much of America or the way they try to impose their elephantine lack of grace on the world.

As an American, I wish they actually cared less. They're far to willing to knuckle under to our threats of economic and legal blackmail.

> It's really telling that the supposed "free speech absolutist" doesn't understand that no country has ever defined free speech to include defamation or threats.

Gab's official position (get a court order) is fine, if they would simply state that and let it go (it's probably not sufficient in this litigious age where no one is expected to be capable of acting like an adult, but that's for the courts to decide). But let someone take them up on that and apparently they can't handle it.

> To the extent that Gab's potential for success hinges on Torba's ability to put his company ahead of his ego, to not behave publicly as a troll, and to not be lighting the torches for the mobs at his back, yes, Gab is doomed.

I'm very much afraid that's the case, yes. Gab needs competent management, and if there's on thing Torba has shown in this, it's not competence.

Blogger Lazarus September 16, 2017 9:54 PM  

Twitter board meeting CEO: How can we crush Gab?

Twitter board meeting lawyer: We don't have to. The Alt-Retard will.

Twitter CEO: Who do they work for?

Twitter Lawyer: Exactly.

Blogger tuberman September 16, 2017 9:57 PM  

When this started, I observed the stuff coming from Torba's Gab. It all screamed HUGE EGO, ANDREW TORBA to me, but I figured, hey, what do I know?

Blogger Orville September 16, 2017 9:59 PM  

Just canceled my Pro account too and will delete my account shortly. Left a parting shot for "Scranton" see @BestToolsForMen. Only had 60 followers, but encouraged them to bail too.

Anonymous Prince Ibn Al'Azeed Azar September 16, 2017 10:16 PM  

As-salamu alaykum. My name is Prince Ibn Al'Azeed Azar, twelfth son of Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. I have been entrusted with many responsibilities in the service of Allah and the House of Saud, among these is policing the internet. I have discovered this website through social media postings. It is claimed in these postings that the proprietor of this website, a man known as Vox Day, is a homosexual. I have found many, many postings calling Vox Day a "faggot". We believe these social media postings constitute sufficient evidence to bring Vox Day to trial for homosexual offenses against Allah and nature. We are therefore seeking the extradition of Vox Day to Riyadh to stand trial for these abominable crimes. I will remind you all that In Saudi Arabia sodomy is punishable by death. These are serious charges. But we simply cannot ignore the postings of random internet trolls that call Vox Day a faggot over and over. Inshallah, justice will be served and the internet will soon be cleansed of all faggotry. Thank you all.

OpenID Micus Expectorus September 16, 2017 10:19 PM  

> (Prince Ibn Al'Weasle Tard...)

Entertaining troll, nice job! Quality larping, maybe 5/10 overall rating.

Blogger DeploraBard September 16, 2017 10:22 PM  





Lovekraft wrote:Hope Diversity & Comics is the real deal. He's been punching up/left for a while and gaining momentum (even mentioned VD and the 3 Laws numerous times)

Interesting. Thank you.

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2017 10:32 PM  

Diversity & Comics, Capn Cummings and Douglas Ernst are all ex-military guys fighting SJWs in converged Marvel.

Anonymous Nota Pepe September 16, 2017 10:48 PM  

Account deleted. Wife's account deleted. Not a healthy place.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 16, 2017 10:51 PM  

Holy shit. What in the hell is wrong with the Gab people?!?

Well, so much for that.

Blogger ZhukovG September 16, 2017 10:55 PM  

"Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad"

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Blogger Orville September 16, 2017 10:57 PM  

Jack Ward does not stand with Andrew Torba, but he does stand with all of us who have deleted our Gab accounts.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 16, 2017 11:11 PM  

Funny how I can't tell if Torba is an extremely pigheaded Alpha, or a Gamma of the type that has had their meltdowns detailed many times on Alpha Game.

Anonymous Rigel Kent September 16, 2017 11:15 PM  

It's really too bad. The basic idea is both good and important, and there are a lot of good people on Gab. It's just unfortunate the boss can't put his ego aside and be professional.

Blogger SirGroggy September 16, 2017 11:53 PM  

I think it is safe to conclude that Gab is dead. It simply hasn't stopped moving yet.

Your argument is persuasive and normally I would agree, however you have been remiss, for there is one critical factor you have neglected.

Gab has an ace up their sleeve: Jack Ward stands with Gab against Google.

Blogger SirGroggy September 16, 2017 11:57 PM  

Prince Ibn Al'Azeed Azar

No he isn't a faggot! On the contrary - YOU are a faggot, Mr. Azar!

Q.E.D.

Blogger SirGroggy September 17, 2017 12:02 AM  

Again: keep out of the tit-for-tat.

NO!!! YOU KEEP OUT OF IT!

Blogger Elocutioner September 17, 2017 12:03 AM  

I gave the drama a week and it actually got worse, so account deleted. I liked the idea of Gab but I never liked the execution and spent my time on Twitter instead.

Blogger tuberman September 17, 2017 12:05 AM  

Torba is this close to talking psycho, GOD TALK. He's passed right by being Napoleon. His supply lines have been cut, and he's stuck near Moscow in the cold of November.

Anonymous Reader September 17, 2017 12:11 AM  

Just trying to be objective as I can.

I agree, information already out there is information in the public domain, so not infringing on the privacy if someone passed the information onto someone.

Suppose your lawyers were successful in getting the identity of the 3 and they turned out to be 16 year olds, for example, what then?

When Vox mentioned about filing under Anquilla law, I said to myself if it was his lawyers who made the suggestion, then, how in hell can they possibly get the outcome they hope to get.

Scalzi did not sue for defamation for the publishing (by CH???) of the book Scalzi is a Rapist, because he got advice that publishing of such did not reach the threshold for defamation. Your situation is similar.

Read the discussions on Popehat about it. Interestingly enough my non-lawyer comments I've posted on your blog were some of the points noted by Popehat; he even cited court cases. Your lawyer should be reading it.

https://www.popehat.com/2015/09/02/satire-vs-potentially-defamatory-factual-statements-an-illustration/

Also Vox, think about what you have said about Jemisen, Scalzi and encouraging people to call your opponents pedos, you have to agree you are not exactly a saint in the cyberworld. It's would be hard for you to cry and justify that you're feelings are hurt.

Surely there's a difference between the rape of a virgin and the rape of a prostitute.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 17, 2017 12:12 AM  

This is virtue signaling, for free speech basically.

I'll say it again, no one actually cares about free speech in its purest form.

The only reason any free speech is protected is because it can be used to communicate Truth, to stop propagandization and brainwashing.

It's Truth that people actually care about. Well, except for Torba apparently, since he's chosen to die on the hill of free speech.

Blogger Sevron September 17, 2017 12:13 AM  

Reader sounds concerned, oh so very concerned.

Anonymous c0pperheaded September 17, 2017 12:18 AM  

Azure AmaranthineSeptember 17, 2017 12:12 AM
"This is virtue signaling, for free speech basically.

I'll say it again, no one actually cares about free speech in its purest form.

The only reason any free speech is protected is because it can be used to communicate Truth, to stop propagandization and brainwashing.

It's Truth that people actually care about. Well, except for Torba apparently, since he's chosen to die on the hill of free speech"

This is truth

Blogger tuberman September 17, 2017 12:19 AM  

Of course, AT, I pray, will come out with lesson learned. I mean this. May take awhile, yet big egos, do subside. Harsh realities do force keen new orientations.

Blogger Wolfman at Large September 17, 2017 12:24 AM  

I think Torba's a Beta who's been forced into a high conflict environment. As the Beta mindset is not suited for any sort of extended conflict Beta's who can't quickly solve a dispute shift into a different mindset.

High Betas get angry and turn Alpha, Low Betas get frustrated and slip into Gamma thinking.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 17, 2017 12:26 AM  

Reader
Just trying to be objective as I can.

Of course you are. Anyone can see that. Concerned, too.

Blogger Steampunk Koala September 17, 2017 12:28 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:Diversity & Comics, Capn Cummings and Douglas Ernst are all ex-military guys fighting SJWs in converged Marvel.

Thanks for the names, always looking for more sane people to follow on Youtube.

Anonymous Reader September 17, 2017 12:39 AM  

And while some of you are deleting your gab accounts, I signed up today because I want more "free speech" not less.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 17, 2017 12:45 AM  

@Reader. Free speech doesn't matter, sperg.

Blogger Rabbi B September 17, 2017 1:10 AM  

@Reader

"MUST HAVE MOAR UNICORNS!"

#VirtueSignalingIsMySuperPower

Blogger SirHamster September 17, 2017 1:20 AM  

Reader wrote:Suppose your lawyers were successful in getting the identity of the 3 and they turned out to be 16 year olds, for example, what then?



Why would the perpetrators being minors have any impact on the case?

The words have to come down.

Blogger Paul, Dammit! September 17, 2017 2:40 AM  

If Torba got the vapors this easily over a dustup regarding their TOS being exposed as kabuki, what does that say about his leadership ability? He has failed to plan for any of this, he has failed to implement a system to apply corrective measures, and his treatment of an energetic early supporter has been atrocious. Utterly, utterly unprofessional.
If Torba gets unglued this badly amd can't form coherent policy when things are relatively straightforward and easy to handle, imagine the environment should Gab have actually started to be competitive.
I know that I wouldn't have been captain of my ship for very long if I responded to conflict by immediately challenging any persons involved to a d*ck measuring contest.
Not the actions of a man who would be captain.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 17, 2017 2:42 AM  

"... it's public record somewhere ..."

This is the best reason I've seen yet to use a law firm as a cut-out.

The law firm can be kept informed as to your current location in the event that law enforcement needs to come by and have a chat, and your mail can be routed to you as an added expense.

Otherwise, everyone else can bug off.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen September 17, 2017 2:59 AM  

Gab account deleted.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 17, 2017 3:09 AM  

Jagi: "This is extremely sad. All the good useful tech is converged."

Not entirely. The path out of this situation isn't blocked.

You might remember the Internet of the early 1990s: limited, but useful.

People had to have a bit of skill in order to access it.

When it was democratised via the Web, although that made information more accessible, it made everyday people in all of their banal manifestations more accessible as well.

The alternatives invert the principle of the Web and go back to the principle of the Internet before it.

Remember Niven & Pournelle's "Oath of Fealty"?

Think of it as evolution in action: what comes after this either has to survive the masses or has to exclude them. Think of the present-day Web as one of Paul Virilio's "information bombs" made out of the mass behaviours of people. Think of the Internet that existed before it as something designed to survive despite that limitation.

Personally, I'd like to see access to the next big thing become a bit more like attempting to access Todos Santos from "Oath of Fealty" through the back door.

I'll leave you with this realisation: there's over 150 GB free on my tablet's SD card, and I would like to download an entire encyclopaedia to put on it. I don't want Wikipedia, I don't even want Infogalactic. I want a mostly complete offline version of something resembling an encyclopedia from the 1990s, brought up-to-date, and I am not exactly averse to how much that might cost.

At least on Android, such a beast simply does not exist. Why not?

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 17, 2017 3:13 AM  

Never had a Gab account. Obviously never will.

You may all proceed to tell me to shut it for this bit of virtue signalling. :-)

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 17, 2017 3:49 AM  

roughcoat September 16, 2017 8:06 PM
because it's hard to believe Torba could become such a grade A petty cunt so quickly.



not "becoming". "already was".

remember, Vox used to think Scalzi was kind of okay. until Scalzi decided he should be able to shit on Vox with no consequences.

Blogger JDC September 17, 2017 7:25 AM  

"MUST HAVE MOAR UNICORNS!" - #VirtueSignalingIsMySuperPower

Well done Rabbi, I needed the laugh. I was just working on a sermon illustration from S. Kierkegaard's "Provocations," about virtue seeking townsfolk, and took a break and this was the first post I came across.

SJWarrior twin powers activate! Shape of an angry, PMSing Shoggoth! Form of an ice picket sign!

Blogger Phunctor September 17, 2017 7:29 AM  

@anonymous
When you speak of the furry that Vox "pretends to met out" I just can't not think of the lore of the Meds and Parisians, which altars Seth not.

Drink deep or else taste not the Pierian spring!

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 17, 2017 7:31 AM  

Account deleted (I had >1K followers). Let's leave gab for the alt-retards, see how well that works out for them.

Blogger ÆtherCzar September 17, 2017 8:55 AM  

*sigh* I've cancelled my pro account on Gab. I'll lurk around for free a while, but I'm not expecting Torba and Gab can recover from the hole they've dug for themselves.

I became concerned about Gab with the fundraising round. Taking money from that many investors is really unwise for a small business, because the only viable exit strategy becomes IPO. That's much much more difficult than an acquisition. The $10M valuation was awfully aggressive, and their business plan showed no clear path to grow to the kind of revenue stream that would support that valuation. They had a great opportunity to build a viable business organically, but they seemed wedded to the classic Silicon Valley fallacy of insisting on waiting for a grand slam home run instead of taking singles and doubles to enhance their position. All this demonstrates questionable business judgment. There's still a great opportunity here for someone, though.

Blogger VD September 17, 2017 9:00 AM  

Taking money from that many investors is really unwise for a small business, because the only viable exit strategy becomes IPO. That's much much more difficult than an acquisition. The $10M valuation was awfully aggressive, and their business plan showed no clear path to grow to the kind of revenue stream that would support that valuation.

(nods) I couldn't figure out why Torba was so obsessed with getting onto the Google store until I remembered that he's a Silicon Valley startup guy. He never wanted to build a stable and profitable business, he wanted to launch a startup, go public within three years, and get rich. That's the model he knows. And to acquire the necessary number of "eyeballs" to go public in a short period of time, he absolutely needs to be on the App Store and the Play Store.

Blogger otwelmr September 17, 2017 9:28 AM  

I just deleted my account there as well.

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