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Thursday, September 14, 2017

Good morning, said Gab

Gab@getongab
Good morning to everyone except Google.

If you're not sure what this means, perhaps today's DailyMemeWars might help you understand.


Now, obviously, I don't agree with Gab's position on moderation. I don't agree with it in theory and I don't agree with it in practice. But that doesn't mean that I think it is either right or fair for Gab to be locked out of the App Store and the Play Store. As to whether it is legal for them to be blackballed in this way, I have no idea. I simply don't know what most of the relevant laws are, or how they apply to the situation. Unlike most of the critics of my current petition, I try to avoid opining in ignorance.

It is a daunting task to take on a tech giant with the resources that Google has at its disposal. It's certainly a courageous move. As to whether it is a clever move or a completely crazy one, we shall have to wait and see what comes of it. But, as we know, giants can be slain.

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88 Comments:

Blogger Jack Ward September 14, 2017 7:58 AM  

I stand for Gab against google.

Blogger Anno Ruse September 14, 2017 8:00 AM  

If Torba wants to be an idiot, at least he's a useful idiot. This has potential to help tens of thousands of content creators. Very excited to see how far this goes.

Anonymous Rocklea September 14, 2017 8:02 AM  

If Gab was a dating/hookup app of any description would it be excluded from these platforms?

Anonymous Rocklea September 14, 2017 8:08 AM  

Dear Google, this amphibian discrimination is deplorable. Kek, deliver us from this evil.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables September 14, 2017 8:09 AM  

You know what would be really unfortunate? If Gab loses to google because of something stupid...like not complying with the law on something as basic as, say, defamation. Gab would make it that much harder for the next insurgent to challenge both Googliath and the bad Gab case precedent.

Blogger Salt September 14, 2017 8:14 AM  

Why does Google do what it does? There's so much hidden behind its veil. Pattern and practice across Google's monopolistic spectrum. Look at YouTube for instance. One thing I'd love to know is why it (even though temporarily?) demonetized that most dastardly of hate spewers - Ron Paul.

Blogger Nate September 14, 2017 8:19 AM  

I have a hard time believing Gab has the financial warchest deep enough to fight this battle.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 14, 2017 8:21 AM  

Is there supposed to be a connection between this and the recent dust-up over defamation/free speech, or is it just a coincidence of timing? I see people assuming this is the next step in that battle, but I can't see how the recent proliferation of neo-Nazi imagery on Gab, or their (in my opinion) sketchy behavior over it, would improve their legal claim to a right to be in the stores. Maybe I'm looking for a connection that's not there.

Blogger Shimshon September 14, 2017 8:22 AM  

@Nate, maybe Peter Thiel is a Gab backer?

Blogger OGRE September 14, 2017 8:23 AM  

@Rocklea only if it was a dating app for Christians. Then it would be considered hateful and discriminatory. But if it were for gay fetish dating or for white girls wanting to be bred with muslims it would be perfectly legit.

@Salt they demonetized most of Dave Rubin's channel, because nothing is more dangerous than a center-left liberal gay man. And they took down Jordan Peterson's channel for a while too. I guess it was just too educational.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 14, 2017 8:29 AM  

I have a hard time believing Gab has the financial warchest deep enough to fight this battle.

Is this just Gab by itself? Or have they gotten together with a bunch of other Davids?

Blogger OGRE September 14, 2017 8:32 AM  

@Nate quite certain they don't have the funds to fight google to the bitter end. By that I mean years of appeals and retrials. But thats worst case. I think strategically they are just hoping to be enough of an annoyance that Google just decides its not worth the bother and adds them to Google Play (which might be enough to get Apple to relent as well.)

The risk to Google and Apple is if Gab and others make enough noise that the FTC or Justice department start to eye up those big juicy targets for anti-trust activity. Or if theres a risk that a damaging precedent could be set in an appellate decision, they might back down to avoid that kind of potential outcome--insurance companies make that decision all the time.

Blogger VD September 14, 2017 8:32 AM  

You know what would be really unfortunate? If Gab loses to google because of something stupid...like not complying with the law on something as basic as, say, defamation.

The thought has crossed my mind. But it's also possible that they believe doing so will delegitimize their case in some way. It's just not meaningful to speculate on these things because they depend upon so many details of which we are unaware.

That being said, I can't say that Gab's recent comportment and behavior have been indicative of possessing superlative legal counsel. And if they don't have truly excellent legal counsel, it's hard to believe Google's legal team won't curb-stomp them no matter how sound their core case happens to be. A member of the LLoE has gone up against their legal team before and he says they are very good.

I have a hard time believing Gab has the financial warchest deep enough to fight this battle.

I have heard that ten million would not be a sufficient budget for a case that Google considered important. But perhaps they won't consider controlling who has access to the Play Store to be an important issue for them. Or perhaps an appeal to the all-important inclusivity principle will win over the SJWs there.

Anonymous Rocklea September 14, 2017 8:38 AM  

Andrew asked the men standing near him, “What will be done for the man who kills this Globalist and removes this disgrace from Kekistan? Who is this uncircumcised Globalist that he should defy the armies of the mighty Kek?”

Blogger DeploraBard September 14, 2017 8:40 AM  

Or perhaps they settle out of court and give Gab a lot of money

Blogger Johnny September 14, 2017 8:42 AM  

The old saw is that when it goes to court the lawyers win. If Gab is continuing to expand in its market niche, then likely this is premature. Until they are well established a pile of money would buy more safety than a lawsuit.

Blogger Nate September 14, 2017 8:45 AM  

" But perhaps they won't consider controlling who has access to the Play Store to be an important issue for them. Or perhaps an appeal to the all-important inclusivity principle will win over the SJWs there."

perhaps.

also... perhaps the browns will win the super bowl...

Anonymous DeplorableCodeMonkey September 14, 2017 8:47 AM  

I think it would be a good idea if the Ilk were seen supporting Gab financially in going after Google or Apple on this point. Anyone up for that and got ideas for a hashtag?

Blogger Nate September 14, 2017 8:50 AM  

I don't know why they chose to hit Google. Apple would have made more sense given that there is already a large class action lawsuit against them for their totalitarian ways of managing their app store. Sure they have a literal army of lawyers.. but how many fronts can they fight on?

Anonymous FisherOfMen September 14, 2017 9:01 AM  

This is the "bake me a gay cake, Christian bakers" era, so a consistent application of the law should make this an easy win for Gab, no?

This is also a win/win situation... either the precedent is set that Lefties have to Bake Me A Cake too, or we establish that Christian bakers don't have to Bake Me A Cake.

Blogger Nate September 14, 2017 9:04 AM  

"This is the "bake me a gay cake, Christian bakers" era, so a consistent application of the law should make this an easy win for Gab, no?"

there is no such thing as an easy win again that many lawyers.

Anonymous Rocklea September 14, 2017 9:07 AM  

There is Microsoft and IE, different but similar.

Anonymous Rocklea September 14, 2017 9:09 AM  

Actually attacking the Playstore itself might work. They must allow competing playstores without rooting your phone.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 14, 2017 9:13 AM  

VD wrote:I have heard that ten million would not be a sufficient budget for a case that Google considered important. But perhaps they won't consider controlling who has access to the Play Store to be an important issue for them. Or perhaps an appeal to the all-important inclusivity principle will win over the SJWs there.

This is something that doesn't translate well between small companies and extremely large companies. Extremely large companies can afford to hire top rate lawyers as employees. That means these guys are just sitting around waiting for lawsuits. If Google decides something is important enough they will bring multiple staff lawyers to bare and then may hire some supplemental outside council to assist.

Meanwhile, a little company (like Gab) is going to have to rely solely on outside council and pay them by the billable hour. That gets expensive really quickly.

Blogger David Power September 14, 2017 9:14 AM  

A more accurate picture would include a mosquito biting at David's ankles.

Blogger JACIII September 14, 2017 9:22 AM  

Apple looks like a softer target. I wonder if gab has even competent legal advice. He may have saddled a lawyer primarily looking to add "sued Google" to his resume.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 14, 2017 9:33 AM  

a consistent application of the law

What?

Blogger OGRE September 14, 2017 9:34 AM  

@basementhomebrewer

All very true. But the nature of the case dictates just how expansive a side can make things. And a judge has wide discretion in managing the case. Not every claim can justify a party issuing subpoenas to hundreds of witnesses or introducing dozens of experts or millions of documents. Judges aren't too keen on parties purposefully inflating a case without justification and will absolutely put a lid on it; a legal war of attrition affects the court as well as the parties. I don't think Gab is bringing a claim that would justify a five year discovery time frame or a six month trial, so theres only so much Google could do to try to bury them under legal expenses. Not that they might not try, but is Google wanting to drop $10M to force Gab to spend $1M over whether an app is in the play store or not? And is a judge going to let them clog up his court if the underlying claims don't justify it?

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 14, 2017 9:35 AM  

FisherOfMen wrote:This is the "bake me a gay cake, Christian bakers" era, so a consistent application of the law should make this an easy win for Gab, no?
Consistency? We don't need no stinkin' consistency.

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2017 9:42 AM  

> Actually attacking the Playstore itself might work. They must allow competing playstores without rooting your phone.

They all ready do. It's a simple security setting to allow the installation of untrusted apps.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 14, 2017 9:57 AM  

Intended or not, this dust-up adds to the "Big Guys are Monopolists" problem Google, Microsoft, etc. have had in the USA but especially in Europe.

I look at these things not just in their context today, but in a context we've not yet seen. The DJIA is >22k so High Tech is everyone's sweet babe. If stocks/mood/etc. decline, people will need pinatas to club, and their first choice will be the pretty girl they took on vacation who turned out to be a pre-surgery tranny in very good disguise.

When this long spell ends, the previous high-flyers will be recast from Heroes to Demonic Villains.

This move by Gab is a brick. During the initial brick-laying it's often impossible to see what structure will eventually emerge.

Anonymous Greg Gee September 14, 2017 10:00 AM  

Have you guys been following the Jemele Hill thing. Looks like the culture is on the side of Ms. Hill!

You guys lose!

Blogger dc.sunsets September 14, 2017 10:12 AM  

Greg, buddy, do you really think ESPN turning into BET is going to help Disney turn its vertical dive around?

You've watched too much TeeVee. Blacks are 13% of the US population (not 50 or 70% as on the Boob Tube nowadays) and, as a group, have a negative net worth (i.e., what, exactly, do they bring to advertizers looking for deep consumers' pockets?)

Need a better class of troll.

Blogger Orville September 14, 2017 10:23 AM  

SNAP cards is what. When the normal consumer is tapped out, the big boys like Amazon, Walmart and others look to raid the government gibsmedat crowd.

Blogger roughcoat September 14, 2017 10:25 AM  

Who the hell is Jemele Hill?

*google*

Oh, some weird looking race baiter. She could be cast as an Uruk-hai with minimal makeup required.

Anonymous Rocklea September 14, 2017 10:25 AM  

"They all ready do. It's a simple security setting to allow the installation of untrusted apps."

Really, I wasn't aware, I always thought it required root access. What about the App store, is that the same?

Blogger Orville September 14, 2017 10:25 AM  

I get the impression that Mr. Torba has just opened his eastern front like Hitler and Napoleon.

Blogger Shimshon September 14, 2017 10:28 AM  

Andrew is not playing 3D chess.

Blogger SirGroggy September 14, 2017 10:50 AM  

Jack Ward wrote:I stand for Gab against google.

And so it was in the year 2017 when the ground breaking legal decision was passed down, in which Google finally had its legal Waterloo.

Some said that it was the virtuoso performance of Gab's closing argument, some say it was the ham-fisted handling of the evidence by Google's defence and botched cross-examinations.

But to those in the know, they understood that these things were not the deciding factor.

When all hung in the balance, the judge's final consideration of all the evidence found it evenly weighted between plaintiff and defendant, except for one vital and decisive factor, that being that Jack Ward stood with Gab against Google - a newly minted legal precedent, forever changing the legal landscape thereafter.

In many countries across the West, in the decades to follow, the Jack Ward stands with X principle was instituted to great acclaim - and justice prevailed in every single case in which the the Jack Ward Stands With my Client argument was used as the silver bullet, the holy grail which the greatest legal minds had been questing after for so long.

Historians to this day have ever wondered at the fateful day on which Jack Ward stood with Gab against Google. It was the fulcrum on which all of human history rested, and never again would a legal argument be made without reference to which of the parties was to have Jack Ward stand by them.

Blogger VD September 14, 2017 11:06 AM  

Historians to this day have ever wondered at the fateful day on which Jack Ward stood with Gab against Google. It was the fulcrum on which all of human history rested, and never again would a legal argument be made without reference to which of the parties was to have Jack Ward stand by them.

I feel privileged just to have been here. It's so amazing to see history being created before our very eyes.

Blogger Orville September 14, 2017 11:08 AM  

That was a beautiful accounting. Too bad O.J. didn't have the Jack Ward defense.

Blogger Orville September 14, 2017 11:09 AM  

For his robbery conviction. He gloved out of the murder.

Blogger Nate September 14, 2017 11:39 AM  

well that was just barbaric.

Blogger Clint September 14, 2017 11:42 AM  

Sir Groggy, I tip my metaphorical cap in your direction. That was one of the finest comments in many a year.

Blogger pyrrhus September 14, 2017 11:43 AM  

Gab's best chance is some kind of brokered settlement. I have practiced law in Texas (Houston), and the judges there were big on that....As far as the law goes, it remains a mystery to me how a lunch counter or motel in Alabama can be a public accommodation
but Google, FB, or Apple are not. But if I were those companies, I would avoid the issue getting into the appellate courts, maybe even SCOTUS, just to stiff Gab...

Blogger Nate September 14, 2017 11:44 AM  

"Gab's best chance is some kind of brokered settlement."

no. that was Gab's best chance... until Jack Ward.

Blogger pyrrhus September 14, 2017 11:45 AM  

The Judge assigned to the Gab case is crucial, some in Texas are highly independent, others not....Look for maneuvering there if Google's counsel doesn't like the Judge.

Blogger pyrrhus September 14, 2017 11:48 AM  

BTW, OJ's pseudo-memoir "If I did it" has to be one of the greatest middle fingers to the court system ever written....

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2017 11:50 AM  

pyrrhus
Look for maneuvering there if Google's counsel doesn't like the Judge.

What if Jack Ward doesn't like the judge?

Anonymous Battlefrog September 14, 2017 11:51 AM  

Torba is overestimating the power of boldness. If he was more emotionally stable, I might see it as well calculated risk. But I think it's far more likely he has gone full dare devil. Gambles are necessary, being a gambler is foolish.

Like Vox said, the kid just doesn't seem ready for prime time.

Blogger Clint September 14, 2017 11:53 AM  

Will the Jack Ward defense be applicable in other endeavors? For example, say I want a raise. Can I go to my supervisor and say, "I need a raise, and Jack Ward stands with me."

Does that equal automatic pay increase?

Blogger SouthRon September 14, 2017 12:02 PM  

Torba Periscoped an update on the lawsuit. They are holding off on filing. Somebody has decided they'd rather talk than get sued. The question is are they doing this in good faith, delaying while the blockading of the right tightens up, or simply denying Gab the advertisement of being the little startup that took on Tech Giant X?

You all will be glad to know that the vowels of Gab have decided to be gentlemen (and ladies) about this. I'm not sure which one's the lady.

Blogger SirGroggy September 14, 2017 12:13 PM  

Sorry - I've had too much coffee

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2017 12:15 PM  

SouthRon
You all will be glad to know that the vowels of Gab have decided to be gentlemen (and ladies) about this. I

Maybe they learned something recently. That would be good.

Blogger Rabbi B September 14, 2017 12:20 PM  

I stand with Jack Ward. That is all.

Anonymous Roland Ransom September 14, 2017 12:31 PM  

Do not ask with whom Jack Ward stands with; Jack Ward stands with thee.

Blogger VD September 14, 2017 12:33 PM  

They are holding off on filing. Somebody has decided they'd rather talk than get sued.

If Torba can get them to back down, he can beat his chest about being Alpha all he likes. I certainly wouldn't argue with his status in that regard.

Blogger Rabbi B September 14, 2017 12:33 PM  

That's beautiful, Roland.

Blogger VD September 14, 2017 12:35 PM  

Can I go to my supervisor and say, "I need a raise, and Jack Ward stands with me."

Absolutely. Jack Ward stood with Voxiversity and just look what happened.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2017 12:41 PM  

" If Gab loses to google because of something stupid...like not complying with the law on something as basic as, say, defamation. "

Ouch, yeah what keeps Apple or Google from using this as a response: GAB facilitates defamation and libel so we cannot approve.

Anonymous Círdan September 14, 2017 1:11 PM  

WWJWD

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2017 1:22 PM  

> Really, I wasn't aware, I always thought it required root access. What about the App store, is that the same?

On my Samsung Galaxy S6 (via Verizon) it's under Settings, Personal, Lock screen and security, Unknown sources. Simply turn it on to enable apps from unknown sources.

This doesn't replace Google Play. It merely lets you install apps obtained from other sources. For a list of sources merely search for "android alternative app stores" on your search engine of choice. I haven't tried any of them out myself (well, except the Amazon store with my Kindle Fire), so I can't make any real recommendations.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2017 1:26 PM  

roughcoat wrote:Oh, some weird looking race baiter. She could be cast as an Uruk-hai with minimal makeup required.
Rocklea wrote:Really, I wasn't aware, I always thought it required root access. What about the App store, is that the same?
Some phones are locked by the manufacturer, or, more commonly the carrier, to exclude outside apps. Most are not. Google has nothing to do with it. Check in you settings under security, or download the f-droid store app from their website and see if you can install it.
I would have said that she could play a human with sufficient makeup.

Blogger Jack Ward September 14, 2017 1:28 PM  

I stand with VOX against everything he stands against.

[you better stand because the poo poo is getting deep and sitting there is ill advised]

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2017 1:31 PM  

> I stand with VOX against everything he stands against.

I've actually seen a few good Vox insults on Gab the last few days. I don't think they're from the alt-retards though, merely normal Gab users who don't understand the situation. The alt-retards themselves seem to have a very poor grasp of humor.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2017 1:40 PM  

The alt-retards themselves seem to have a very poor grasp of humor.

Midwits at the max. That means they really are sending their best over here. Sad!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2017 1:44 PM  

James Dixon wrote:The alt-retards themselves seem to have a very poor grasp of humor.
It's basically "Jew poopie! Hur hurrr hurrrr"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2017 1:47 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Midwits at the max. That means they really are sending their best over here. Sad!
Larry Sharp, who spent a couple of days commenting here before he got lost on the way back to the group home from the bus stop, was actually asking if anybody knew who the registrar is for Vox's blog.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 14, 2017 1:57 PM  

Does the judge have, or has had on the past, any personal relationship with Jack Ward?

Blogger Salt September 14, 2017 1:57 PM  

Jack Ward? Is this VP's Leroy Jenkins moment?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 14, 2017 1:58 PM  

Good Lord. I also read that Jack Ward stood with Frodo at the fired of Orodruin.

Blogger VD September 14, 2017 2:04 PM  

I stand with VOX against everything he stands against.

And yet some wonder why the Supreme Dark Lord cannot be defeated. Little do they know!

Anonymous Scott September 14, 2017 2:04 PM  

>They must allow competing playstores without rooting your phone.

To its credit, Google already does...or at least is neutral on the matter. I have F-Droid and Amazon Underground available on my phone, as well as Google Play. They were sideloaded...basically, you go to a website, download an .apk file, and open it. I installed the Gab app and a few others the same way. You do have to enable sideloading first, but you're prompted to do that the first time you try to sideload something.

There are some phones that block sideloading, but that's usually a restriction imposed by the phone manufacturer and/or wireless carrier, not Google.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2017 2:39 PM  

@Scott

I guess you could call sideloading a form of neutrality, in that it does not require any form of jailbreaking. Torba still has a legit complaint because sideloading is something too techweenie for the normal customer. I know, I know, it's not like loading a Linux distro, but it still is more demanding than the usual brainless "click 'n play".

By keeping Gab off of the Playstore, Goolag is engaging in something like passive discrimination. Torba would have an ever better case if Gab wasn't in the process of being overrun by Stormpoopers who will surely alienate the vast majority of potential customers. Nothing personal to Torba, just saying.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2017 4:48 PM  

Yeah, considering the current Stormpooper situation, imagine how it would look to your average jury if Google simply presented them, say, 100 completely randomly taken latest messages. At present it would in fact look like a forum made for neo-nazis. And since that has been the narrative ANYWAY for at least the last half a year, it's not a good situation to be in.

It's one thing to argue that such things MIGHT occasionally happen, but that's just a consequence of free speech. It's another thing to show that it actually DOES happen, and drowns out most of the other discussion.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2017 4:56 PM  

The whole situation is a bit of a trainwreck. If the concept of hate speech was not enforced anywhere, then these things would be somewhat randomly distributed everywhere in the internet and they would not set the character of any forum except their own. On the other hand, now that it is forcibly removed from 99.9% of the internet, except ONE forum which allows it, then that is where it's going to go. This is just natural. The consequence is that it WILL then set the character of that forum. It's not that Gab specifically invited it, it's just an inevitability.

However, your average juror isn't intelligent enough to understand the entire dynamic. He just sees the forum as it is, and immediately goes OMG, MAKE IT GO AWAY! MAKE IT GO AWAY!

Anonymous Hideous Hermaphroditical Creature September 14, 2017 5:22 PM  

I have over 9000 IQ and you're probably too stupid to understand why I'm right, but I'm going to destroy Gab because I disagree with TJ and JQA about the meaning of free speech.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2017 5:44 PM  

Hideous Hermaphroditical Creature wrote:but I'm going to destroy Gab because I disagree
Issue a subpoena == destroy gab.
That's the level of dishonesty we have to mock relentlessly until these clowns run away.

Again.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2017 5:59 PM  

Markku
However, your average juror isn't intelligent enough to understand the entire dynamic. He just sees the forum as it is, and immediately goes OMG, MAKE IT GO AWAY! MAKE IT GO AWAY!

Alt-Retards have no prob with that because "raising awareness".

Blogger Markku September 14, 2017 6:49 PM  

And when it becomes apparent that the only effect on Gab is that they have to waste a few hours providing some information to the court, then the story becomes that Vox TRIED to destroy Gab, but couldn't do anything. Because the narrative must not fail.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2017 6:51 PM  

alt-Retard always wins, especialy when they apparently fail!

They love telling me about how Charlottesville was a HUGE win for them.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2017 7:05 PM  

The Stormpoopers think they have been handled their own private toilet to freely poop in, while someone else gives them legal cover. That's why they're so desperate to frame this as Vox warring against Gab. When it becomes evident to Gab, just how much of a negative value the Stormpoopers are to the company (as this is just the first court case - this same thing will happen over and over and over again as long as the defamation continues), well, they are not going to like what happens then.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 14, 2017 7:19 PM  

On the Gab vs Google issue, the main thing is that the App was on the Store, then removed *after* Gab had raised significant funds. And *after* they offered James Damore a job. This is pretty cut & dry retaliatory Anti-Competitive Practices. This isn't a small problem for Google, this is, in fact, a very, very big one.

What's on Gab doesn't really matter, as you can roll out all of the CP & horrible things on DeadBird all day. Or 4chan. Or Tumblr. (God, Tumblr posts in a jury trial. May God rest the souls of the jurors.) So Google can't even hide behind simply being capricious.

But, the greatest danger is that it gives the DOJ, FTC & SEC a hook into Google that could rip them apart.


As for the Stormpoopers, as Gab develops and the self-selection effects get going, they'll be like Furry or 18+ Twitter. There's entire sub-sections of DeadBird that you're better off not knowing exists. So removing the clearly Defamatory content will also limit their ability to cause problems. (I also think the Stormpoopers are finding out that those on the Right are actually a lot more resilient & strike back. Their 4 ppl + mass sockpuppets eventually stops working. Survive the Crash Point and you win with time. A lot of things work like that.)

Blogger Markku September 14, 2017 7:23 PM  

On the Gab vs Google issue, the main thing is that the App was on the Store, then removed *after* Gab had raised significant funds. And *after* they offered James Damore a job. This is pretty cut & dry retaliatory Anti-Competitive Practices.

Ah, I see. Yes, that would make Gab's job a lot easier.

Blogger VD September 14, 2017 8:10 PM  

I have over 9000 IQ and you're probably too stupid to understand why I'm right, but I'm going to destroy Gab because I disagree with TJ and JQA about the meaning of free speech.

I'm going to destroy Gab by getting the court order Gab said that I should get? Dude, it's a simple request for information, not the Tiltowait spell.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2017 8:25 PM  

Looking Glass
On the Gab vs Google issue, the main thing is that the App was on the Store, then removed *after* Gab had raised significant funds.

Forgot that.

And *after* they offered James Damore a job.

LulZ! Didn't know that.

This is pretty cut & dry retaliatory Anti-Competitive Practices.

Or at least close enough to get some attention.

Anonymous peppermint September 14, 2017 9:26 PM  

Gab wanted to be pseudonymous, making it real names unless you're totally inoffensive is a meaningful change to it.

Please consider that, as a minority group, Jews ultimately need free speech more than Whites, and would be less comfortable with VD as Pope of an aggressively Christian alt-right that blames cultural marxism i.e. Jews for the collapse of civilization than with an alt-right with free speech and a willingness to examine all perspectives on history including flaws in Christianity.

Christians need to identify historically when any why Christianity failed. Blaming Jews is more obvious for Christians than for non-Christians.

Anonymous peppermint September 14, 2017 9:46 PM  

Ps. I think what happened was Boomer and Xer starchildren were offered (by the devil, if you want) immortality to commit endless carnal sins if they agree never to judge anyone and to teach their children to be gay and trans and endless riches if they share the birthright of their children with everyone in the form of bombs and population bombs. Cultural marxism was an excuse, not a motivator.

This is GenX: https://imgur.com/a/Uvi3t

Millennials and GenZ are rediscovering marriage.

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