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Sunday, September 24, 2017

Ideas must be sold

The Z-man observes that too many ideologues resist accepting the fact that their ideas have to be sold rather than simply accepted as holy writ from on high:
Good salesmen never lose sight of reality. That’s the problem with outsider political movements. They allow themselves to be trapped in narrow ideological ruts so any sales effort, that deviates in the slightest from dogma, results in civil war. The only pitchmen the ideologues accept are the guys waving around the severed hand, talking about how their product is great at cleaning blood stains. Any concession to public sensibilities is treated like heresy. The result is a self-ghettoization of the movement.

This has always been the problem with the libertarians. You can get a large audience in favor of limiting state regulation of commerce, but you are never getting a critical mass around the idea of abandoning paper money. You can talk people into loosening up marijuana laws, but no one is signing up for legal meth sales. That’s why the limit on libertarians is to have some of their language appropriated by Buckleyites. Otherwise, they are seen as a collection of eccentric weirdos.

That’s what’s happening with the alt-right and its fellow travelers. The core believers refuse to give in on basic tactics, like banning Nazi gear or minimizing the JQ stuff. The result is anyone that tries to soften the image is attacked as a traitor. That’s what you see with the Stormies. Anglin can’t accept even the token compromises at a site like Gab, so he goes to war with it. This ensures that his followers never stray from the ghetto that he has created for them. It also means potential recruits have a reason to ignore him.

This does not mean the alt-right is condemned to having fat guys in their tighty-whities, dancing around at their events. To avoid that fate, they need to produce leaders with the credibility to swat down guys like Anglin, when he gets out of control, but also aware of the fact that growing the movement means appealing to the general public. That means softening the pitch and making some compromises. They don’t have anyone capable of doing that at he moment, but they better find some.
He's absolutely right. That's why I reluctantly accepted the need to move into video despite the existence of Castalia House; I realized that we will never reach the non-literate majority through the medium of books. We have to speak their language and meet them on their ground. We need to accept that our preferences are irrelevant in this regard.

This is always difficult. The literate don't want to deal with non-literate media. The dialectic-speakers don't want to deal with rhetoric. The non-aggressive don't want to deal with aggression. The socialists don't want to deal with subjective value. The pagans don't want to deal with the Christian roots of the West.

But regardless of who we are and what we desire, we have to take reality as it is, not as we wish it to be.

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Anonymous Eduardo September 24, 2017 5:59 AM  

Non-literate?!?

Watcha mean by that? That we never read those things called Buuks?

Anonymous Sam September 24, 2017 6:11 AM  

Illiterates can't read. Non-literates, or aliterates, can but don't.

Anonymous Eduardo September 24, 2017 6:18 AM  

The problem is: how do you convince people who believe they have found a solution, a perfect one, to the problem at hand, to compromise the solution's perfection? Wouldn't that be giving up on fixing things and sticking to half-ass solutions?

You're going to have to fight communist style. Plan the takeover 100 years from now, and keep revising the plan every year until these 100 years pass. It will be a long, dragged down, cold war against the maniacs on the Left and the purists on the Right. 100 years of 4D chess.

That or... Invent a parallel system to serve you guys...

Blogger VD September 24, 2017 6:35 AM  

Ignore Lemur. He's now spammed.

Blogger JACIII September 24, 2017 6:44 AM  

This reminds me of our virtue signalling senator, Rand Paul. Any proposal must be 100% ideologically pure or he is taking his ball and going home.

OpenID markstoval September 24, 2017 6:46 AM  

"But regardless of who we are and what we desire, we have to take reality as it is, not as we wish it to be."

This is true. But we can work to change the current state of affairs and try to move things closer to that goal we have in mind.

As an example, Rothbard believed in no state at all but would ally himself with groups who did love the nation-state as long as they were trying to reduce the size, scope and power of the State. He often lauded the 30s and 40s "Old Right" for example on foreign policy.

The main enemy at present is the left-wing, globalist ideology and the fact that they have control of the nation-state (the US Empire) and all its minions. (MSM and public "education" for example)

With a very weak State their power would be greatly reduced and that would benefit the right-wing. We need to sell the idea of a very small central state. There are many different groups who could get behind that idea. For the GOP rank and file, that would be a return to the rhetoric of Reagan. (only this time let us really downsize)

Time to stop hurling insults this way and that way and form small government coalitions so we can really save Western Civilization. The US Empire will destroy us if we don't find a way to reduce its aggression into all our lives.

Anonymous NobodyExpects September 24, 2017 6:47 AM  

"But regardless of who we are and what we desire, we have to take reality as it is, not as we wish it to be."

Wise words...

@Eduardo: in reference to your 100 years of 4D chess comment, the Catalan Separatists only needed about 30 years. Of course, not all subversive movements would be so lucky as to have an enemy that refuses what Fidel Castro called "the battle of ideas".

Anonymous RabidRatel September 24, 2017 6:48 AM  

Eduardo wrote:Plan the takeover 100 years from now, and keep revising the plan every year until these 100 years pass.

We would also need to plan on how to keep our new institusions free from re-infection. Keeping the Left and their r-selected minions out is as important as taking back is.

I would suggest we look at a planning horizon of around 500 years.
(It has been suggested before on this blog, can't find it right now, but no disrespect intended towards the originator of the idea)

OpenID markstoval September 24, 2017 6:54 AM  

"I would suggest we look at a planning horizon of around 500 years."

I don't think the world has 500 years. It only took from 1950 to 2000 to lose Western Civilization in the USA. I hope to God it would not take 500 years to restore civilization. If so, we may well be doomed.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 24, 2017 6:54 AM  

So what is this saying basically is that a video/meme "TL;DR" versión of the ideology is required at all times, plus strategic compromises to the message designed to boil frogs slowly.

And this is new exactly why?

The left operated exactly like that to get where they are, I thought we knew this already.

I think that besides this the Alt-Right needs to be formative at all times, any attempt at idea communication should contain a pedagogic element.

For many people, they're way easier to red-pill if they're shown without patronising that they didn't know the subject as well as they thought.

While this doesn't work on everybody it has the effect of making converts that don't flip flop on pressure.

Blogger JACIII September 24, 2017 6:58 AM  

RabidRatel wrote:Eduardo wrote:Plan the takeover 100 years from now, and keep revising the plan every year until these 100 years pass.



I would suggest we look at a planning horizon of around 500 years.



Much of history doesn't work that way. Macro forces build while no one is looking at the pressure gauge. All you can do is plan ahead to channel the storm surge and be prepared to ride the wave.
This where memes come in. Planting seeds in minds.

Blogger Orville September 24, 2017 6:59 AM  

Yes, and even the Apostle Paul operated within the reality on the ground. "I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

Blogger Elizabeth September 24, 2017 7:03 AM  

Politics is the art of the possible. Sometimes half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.

Blogger JACIII September 24, 2017 7:16 AM  

Elizabeth wrote:Politics is the art of the possible. Sometimes half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.



Or even a morsel if that's all that is in your reach.

Blogger The Observer September 24, 2017 7:16 AM  

I don't think the world has 500 years. It only took from 1950 to 2000 to lose Western Civilization in the USA. I hope to God it would not take 500 years to restore civilization. If so, we may well be doomed.

It depends on who you ask. If you ask the Throne and Altar folks, they argue that leftism started eating away at western civilisation by the French Revolution at least; some argue for even earlier events.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 24, 2017 7:30 AM  

@5 Indeed! At the same time though, be mindful of the difference between Rand Paul and, say, Lisa Murkowski. Your comment was on point, like Phife in "Tribe Called Quest".

Anonymous Steve September 24, 2017 7:30 AM  

You may be the most honest guy on earth, but as soon as you get out there to sell your soap as the fast talking pitchman, most people are going to think you are, at the minimum, a liar. It’s unfair and unjust, but you will never change that perception. You can be the most honest and forthright soap salesman on earth, but that view of you and your kind is etched into the culture. It’s why those TV guys always rely on allegedly objective authorities or unimpeachable demonstrations. They know you don’t trust them.

Yarp. See also: social proof.

One of the many, many, yuge, big league lessons of the Trumpslide was the power of social proof.

Remember how Candidate Trump spent so much time and words talking up his attendances, goading the press into showing off the massive crowds, comparing them to the sad, weak little rallies his opponents held? The uniformed assumed this was Trumpian vanity.

Wrong. It was social proof. Look at these 30,000 happy, smiling boisterous Americans who just wanna MAGA. We're the mainstream. We're just like you. Won't you join us?

Now contrast that winning approach with the failed strategy of various online pseudo-Nazi cults. They don't use social proof, they are social suicide.

Blogger SouthRon September 24, 2017 7:49 AM  

Oh the irony of the Stormies living in a self-created and self-imposed ghetto. But, that's exactly the situation. All too many people self-isolate and then play the persecuted martyr when they are just idiots. You're not a martyr unless you live among you enemies and are killed for you righteous beliefs not die in isolation or because of being an ass.

Orville nails it from the Christian perspective. "For though I be free from all men...I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

This is why Christian isolationism, Christian church schools, and militant King James-onlyism are doomed to fail. If you only live in self-imposed isolation you will die out.

Why does it work out for the Amish? They out breed their failure rate and maintain national purity. Two things most purist type fail at horribly. If you only have two kids or kids that don't wholly share your heritage you will be replaced. It's simple math.

This is something the Catholics understand that the Protestants don't. They, or at least their leaders, play the long game and hope to win by attrition.

Live. Adapt. Survive.

Anonymous Eduardo September 24, 2017 7:54 AM  

@NobodyExpects

Well You would probably have to go all Gramsci on them and subverse all schools and the government in short order, but yeah 30 years might do it.

Oh Fidel... my 1 billionth cousin. To imagine the Castro family would be known by the deeds of a Communist idiot XD, but hey he is right, the Battle of Ideas is fundamental, because he who controls what you think... owns your ass.

@RabidRatel

Well 500 years is a lot of time, but a blink of an eye in History.
But! If you really gonna attempt a 500 year long run, you really need a Fully Dedicated Elite (Knights and Kings) otherwise it just becomes a Aristocratic mess (Game of Rape-Rape)

Although sincerely, I couldn't wait that long XD. I would just try to force a creation of a different production matrix then attempt to get the military on my side and Boom! Done!... Maybe... It can work damn it!

@JACIII

Well that is already planning for the worst. You plan 500 years, but you do prepare for each Surge. I mean, the plan just has to be General and sort of Point where you are supposed to go, that is pretty much how the Left does it.

The plan is: Destroy Culture, Make it Subversive

So all Leftist to the same, while treaking themselves that they are doing good.

Anonymous Eduardo September 24, 2017 7:56 AM  

I just wrote... Treaking... instead of Tricking.

Sometimes my Mind plays Tricks on me.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 24, 2017 8:00 AM  

I've tried bridging gaps between the Alt-Right and Trad Catholics. Unfortunately, a lot of the latter ADORE Ben Shapiro and accept his condemnation of the Alt-Right...even though most people's conception of the Alt-Right is "WHITE SUPREMIST NAZIS!!!" Whatever.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 24, 2017 8:06 AM  

This Alt-Right "thing" is getting out of control. Any person, or individual, who wants to preserve common cultural values is being labeled as Alt-Right.

Anonymous Killua September 24, 2017 8:11 AM  

Rethoric beats dialectic. Aristotle knew it many thousand of years ago.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 24, 2017 8:20 AM  

Yup. Sell or be sold.

Blogger Scott Birch September 24, 2017 8:24 AM  

Good.

Blogger VD September 24, 2017 8:30 AM  

This Alt-Right "thing" is getting out of control. Any person, or individual, who wants to preserve common cultural values is being labeled as Alt-Right.

One might even say... it is inevitable?

Blogger Sillon Bono September 24, 2017 8:39 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:This Alt-Right "thing" is getting out of control. Any person, or individual, who wants to preserve common cultural values is being labeled as Alt-Right.

That is good, ironically we share that facet with the stormies, they want anything against the narrative to be labelled nazi to highlight there is something wrong with the narrative and cause outrage to call people's attention.

In the "Alt-Right" case the aim is to do the same without outrage.

Didn't VD said it is inevitable?

Blogger Johnny September 24, 2017 8:40 AM  

I wonder, is alt-right copyrighted? Can it be?

Blogger Joshua_D September 24, 2017 8:42 AM  

Steve wrote:

Yarp. See also: social proof.

One of the many, many, yuge, big league lessons of the Trumpslide was the power of social proof.

Remember how Candidate Trump spent so much time and words talking up his attendances, goading the press into showing off the massive crowds, comparing them to the sad, weak little rallies his opponents held? The uniformed assumed this was Trumpian vanity.

Wrong. It was social proof. Look at these 30,000 happy, smiling boisterous Americans who just wanna MAGA. We're the mainstream. We're just like you. Won't you join us?

Now contrast that winning approach with the failed strategy of various online pseudo-Nazi cults. They don't use social proof, they are social suicide.


I remember watching many of those rallies during the campaign and thinking, Trump really has a shot at this, look at those crowds! The MSM and practically all of my liberal coworkers were sure Hillary had it, and I thought, "Y'all simply aren't paying attention."

Blogger Joshua_D September 24, 2017 8:44 AM  

I would also add that "Ideas must be supported." We must support these ideas in front of our friends, family, coworkers, and get people to show people that there are others, who think what they think, and believe what they believe.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 24, 2017 8:52 AM  

@17 Steve

Discourse from the UHIQ realm:

You can talk for 2 hours in exquisite detail on a subject, and on one will get it. If you convince everyone in a social group you are the "smart one", everyone assumes what you say is generally correct.

People believe the people they trust first. This is the reason why when a group dynamic depends on all actors being generally honest, Convergence becomes possible. If a system only requires 1 bad actor to fail, it will fail very quickly.

The Truth, Will & Balls of Steel will go a whole lot further than the best 80 page constructed thesis in human history. Reality is. Physics wins. And I feel like I'm plugging Ivan Throne already, so I'll just link his book.

The Nine Laws

Anonymous Looking Glass September 24, 2017 9:06 AM  

Related to my point in @31 , a note about Trump.

Watching Trump on the early stump was insane. It is impossible to explain how hard of a skill Trump's ability to move up & down the comprehension range is. The man moves effortlessly between 4th grade through post-grad and has several points between. The ability to pull that off in a genuine fashion is beyond amazing. It's a skill you never notice unless you've have the issues that come with deal with people way to your left on the IQ scale, but the man is a God-blessed genius at that skill.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 24, 2017 9:28 AM  

This has always been the problem with the libertarians. ... [They] are never getting a critical mass around the idea of abandoning paper money.

To be fair, libertarians are NOT against paper money. Paper money is intrinsically efficient and necessary.

Libertarians ARE against the manipulation of currency by governments and national banks (e.g., the Federal Reserve).

Rothbard never said, "Let's eliminate cash and lug around silver and gold." What he DID say was, in essence, "Don't point the finger at money. Point the finger at those who undermine it and control it."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 24, 2017 9:31 AM  

Whole lot of coin being left on the table simply because no one on the Right will disqualify or discredit the Left on any consistent basis.

Both Stormtards and intellectuals focus on purity rituals to the exclusion of actually winning the normies from the Left.

Blogger YIH September 24, 2017 9:32 AM  

For those who do want to catch an NFL game, there's one on right now.
JAX v. BAL in London.
And goddamn it, most of the players are taking a knee.

Blogger YIH September 24, 2017 9:33 AM  

And just to add insult to injury, they are standing for ''God save the Queen''.

Blogger SouthRon September 24, 2017 9:37 AM  

England can have them.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 24, 2017 9:38 AM  

@36 YIH

Should have had an official from the State Dept there. Would have that qualified as giving up their US Citizenship? :)

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise September 24, 2017 9:49 AM  

Yesterday, the A’s Bruce Maxwell became the first MLB player to kneel for the national anthem.

The owners of the A's should say this: "Bruce Maxwell is entitled to his opinion. He is NOT, however, entitled to his opinion while wearing our uniform."

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 24, 2017 9:54 AM  

If I could draw like Neal Adams, ink like Tom Palmer, and write like Stan Lee, I'd produce a Wonder Woman comic where she is a he. A large burly man with a Dick Butkus mustache, hairy chest, and have the costume ride up a bit to show off his masculine backside just like they do with the woman's costumes. He'd have to defeat the evil Hooter's so that he could get s side job there. Then take on the Dallas cheerleaders.

Blogger VD September 24, 2017 10:12 AM  

Whole lot of coin being left on the table simply because no one on the Right will disqualify or discredit the Left on any consistent basis.

If only someone would write a book about how the Left always lies that tens of thousands of people would buy and use as a resource! If only someone would follow that up with another book about how the Left attacks and how those attacks can be anticipated!

If only....

Anonymous Jack September 24, 2017 10:20 AM  

Zman has made some unflattering comments about Vox on Gab in the last week. Vox is nonetheless willing to quote him approvingly when he makes a valid point.

Civility is so Western.

Anonymous Prionyx September 24, 2017 10:23 AM  

@41 VD

>If only someone would...

You frequently chide posters that instead of opining that "someone should do something...", they should do that thing themselves, so you ...oh wait.

Blogger Last Redoubt September 24, 2017 10:26 AM  

@jack

a) Most of wouldn't have seen those so why are you bringing it up?

b) And whether or not z-man says mean things about vox doesn't change whether or not something else he is saying is true.

Blogger Lance E September 24, 2017 10:52 AM  

Remember when some of the tradcons and paleocons tried to interpret "don't punch right" as "don't punch on the right" and the Alt-Retards would sperg out and explain that no, it really means "don't punch to the right"?

I guess we've all learned whose interpretation was the true one. Perhaps not literal, but true.

At this point there should only be two requirements for leaving people alone:
1. They aren't trying to drag society farther left; and
2. They aren't actively disavowing or attacking people on the right.

Otherwise known as a coalition.

Anonymous Jack September 24, 2017 10:52 AM  

@44 I was merely complimenting Vox for being the adult in the room. And trying to make the same point you make in b). Sorry if that was not clear.

Blogger VD September 24, 2017 10:55 AM  

Zman has made some unflattering comments about Vox on Gab in the last week. Vox is nonetheless willing to quote him approvingly when he makes a valid point.

First, I am absolutely indifferent to anyone's opinion concerning my actions relating to Gab. Like them or hate them, support them or oppose them, it simply doesn't matter. I'm not only doing what I said I would do, I very much doubt that any of my long-term readers are even remotely surprised, except perhaps by my relative restraint.

Second, I have never been prone to committing the genetic fallacy. Truth is truth, insight is insight, regardless of the source. Everyone comes out with a stupid opinion or three now and then.

Blogger DeploraBard (spiritualpeanutbutter.com) September 24, 2017 11:06 AM  

It is Jacksonville and Baltimore, and they are in London so....
Not like anyone there cares, will boo, or leave so they probably figure they are safe proving the point "see, taking a knee doesn't hurt the NFL" with a captured audience of not Americans

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 24, 2017 11:21 AM  

"The core believers refuse to give in on basic tactics, like banning Nazi gear"

It's LARPing, you Gen-xer clucking mother hen. Stop clutching your pearls. It also helps drag over the Overton window as the guys on MPC and the /pols figured out.

"or minimizing the JQ stuff."

Dude, you have right Normie Ann Coulter and left Normie Valerie Plame tweeting shit like "how many fucking Jews are there in the USA?!" or re-tweeting Philip Giraldi articles laying the lion's share of the blame for the disastrous, bloody and trillions of dollars in the hole mess that is the middle east squarely on Jewish shoulders. The cat's out of the bag, the ovens are gonna fire up soon and Andrew Anglin just quickened the pace, he didn't shoot the starter gun. The Jews both little brethren and big brethren have absolutely no one to blame but themselves for their coming total extermination.

Anonymous BBGKB September 24, 2017 11:31 AM  

never reach the non-literate majority through the medium of books

In 90% black Detroit 47% are functionally illiterate, but it's still safer to go into a gorilla sanctuary than black neighborhoods with a "WHITE LIVES MATTER" T-shirt, as some mudshark might explain it.

suggest we look at a planning horizon of around 500 years

The next 20 years will decide if we walk on Mars or running water becomes a fairy tale.

are in London so....probably figure they are safe proving the point "see, taking a knee doesn't hurt the NFL" with a captured audience of not Americans

Likely attended by US service members stationed in the UK, I believe there is an Air Farce base near there.

Anonymous Vin September 24, 2017 11:56 AM  

Before visiting this blog I fought 100% dialectic and even though I usually clearly won the argument at times it felt more like a draw.

Knowing how and when to go into rhetoric mode is not natural for those of us who care only about cold, hard facts but it gets easier with practice.

Suspect your move to more video would be similar.

Blogger kurt9 September 24, 2017 12:02 PM  

The "meme of the week" helps. There are plenty of gifs over on that thread in the RooshVforums.

Blogger kurt9 September 24, 2017 12:03 PM  

The lack of any humor on the part of the left makes it easy to be a "conservative" smart-ass.

Anonymous badhairday September 24, 2017 12:03 PM  

Its odd the way that many Christians don't acknowledge the pagan and Jewish influences on their religion.

Its odd the way that many atheists don't acknowledge the Christian influences on their way of thinking.

Its odd the way in which many neo-pagans don't acknowledge that their way seems to be downstream of the same river.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 24, 2017 12:50 PM  

I read that post last night and somehow could not stop picturing Anglin taking marketing lessons from Baghdad Bob on how to sell soap on Al-Jazeera to a target audience of nice SWPL suburbanites using a severed head dripping blood on their nice white carpet. Shit sandwiches and grape-drank are much more effective.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 24, 2017 1:22 PM  

I wonder, is alt-right copyrighted? Can it be?

Names, titles and short phrases are not subject to copyright. They are often eligible for something with an indefinite term of protection - trademarks. Spencer's original 2010 webzine was "Alternative-Right" and he gave the name to Colin Liddell who runs his own site by that name (it was shut down in the wave of takedowns that got Anglin's "Daily Sormer"), though he obviously had a plan in place as it's now here. If either Spencer or Liddell actually took the trouble and expense to register the trademark (it's not cheap), the owner could sue anyone attempting to use it as a 'brand'. Use of the term in chatter like this is fine (as it's "commentary").

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 24, 2017 1:50 PM  

This is Z-man's key phrase in the post, and pinpoints the problem with Anglin (and some others):

The result is anyone that tries to soften the image is attacked as a traitor. That’s what you see with the Stormies. Anglin can’t accept even the token compromises at a site like Gab, so he goes to war with it. This ensures that his followers never stray from the ghetto that he has created for them. It also means potential recruits have a reason to ignore him.

I cannot argue with that at all. There is a difference - and it's actually a crucial one - between 'softening the rhetoric' as Z-man (who is not stupid) notes and the typical cucking one sees so often, like the hangover Tea-Party Patriotards and Churchian cucks giving hugs to BLM - a group controlled by an actual Nazi collaborator who is only criticized in the very mildest of terms by a tiny percentile of his tribe. These are real traitors selling out to the enemy (or actually showing their true nature), not folks who are 'softening the rhetoric' so as to appeal to the confused.

The great irony of all the cucking in the wake of Charlottesville is that Anglin, whose been having a tantrum for the last 5 weeks and now even attacks Torba who defended him to his own harm, utterly failed to take advantage of the considerable narrative collapse about the initial disaster - something which has not been helped by all the cucking under way. Heather Hyer died from morbid obesity, the chopper crashed many miles away from the events, and the only Nazi flag was one waved by a paid actor for the enemy. To paraphrase what someone already noted above: a whole lot of coin was left on the table simply because our side failed to disqualify and discredit the enemy on the issue.

Anonymous HL September 24, 2017 2:14 PM  

An excellent post debate consolation prize for Anglin: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4534362/adolf-hitlers-underpants-have-been-sold-for-5000-at-an-auction-in-the-us/

Blogger DonReynolds September 24, 2017 3:12 PM  

If you ever get an opportunity to read "Aunt Bea and Chicken Soup" by Jerry Rubin....do your self a favor. It is not a book, just a short article.

EVERY movement that comes along is a mix, partly of old failed ideology and partly stale (but benign) filler, and a small part that is actually new and "revolutionary", with a dash of reactionary testosterone.

To the extent that Alt-Right exists, there was nothing about Alt-Right that actually appeals to National Socialism. They are a failed ideology that has attached themselves like a tick to Alt-Right. I do not know that anyone ever recruited them or invited them to be part of the Alt-Right or what ideological overlap they imagine. Whether they stay or leave or get carried out the door, makes me no difference. They are like incoherent drunk guests who refuse to accept the idea that the party ended at sunup.

Libertarians are almost as annoying, insisting on the pure ideology of a society that never existed, and probably never will. Unlike the National Socialists, who can claim to have actually tried to make such a society, the libertarians never got that far. To me, that makes them little different from the egalitarian liberals, insisting on ideological purity when no such society ever existed in the past. Neither the egalitarian liberals or the libertarians can pull a historical example from their briefcase and begin to show where some things work well and others do not. There is simply no experience to support their most closely held beliefs.

In terms of making a sale or selling an idea, what should be the easiest thing to sell is Freedom. Americans love their Freedom and will actually do the E Pluribus Unum, in spite of their personal differences. So what makes it possible to achieve Unity without agreement? (No, we do not have to agree in order to have a society....we can even disagree.)

In my opinion, we should be selling the idea of Freedom, and Unity of Purpose without common agreement on everything, and this is possible if power and authority is LIMITED. In a society where the government is all-powerful, overreaching, regimented, comprehensive, and aggressive.....it matters very much who controls the levers of power. But when the scope and authority of government is limited to what we commonly agree is vital and not sweat the toilet assignments or preferred pronouns, then we can have a peaceful, orderly, society based on the concept of Freedom.

In our own historic experience, there have been several examples of limited or Federal governments that began to act like a central government and usurp the lawful authority of state governments.......
a) The American Revolution (1770s) was not inevitable, but the result of London insisting on a heavy hand on the colonies backed up by bayonets.
b) The Texas Revolt (1830s) was not a clash of cultures. Texas had continued as part of Mexico for more than a dozen years after they won independence from Spain. They only revolted when Mexico abolished state governments and set up a central government.
c) The American civil war was by no means inevitable. Secession happened due to the election of Lincoln. It was an accomplished fact before he even took office. Yet, there was nothing in Lincoln's first inaugural address that promised war or the abolition of slavery. Quite the contrary. So one of the reasons for the conflict must have been the sense that states would no longer control their own affairs and whoever controlled the central government would.
d) I am inclined to add the 1960s to the list of revolts and revolutions, even though the changes were without open warfare and relatively bloodless. Like the American civil war, the forces opposed to a strong central government were defeated.

Blogger weka September 24, 2017 4:19 PM  

They are more afraid of #Millwall

Anonymous Mandos September 25, 2017 1:07 AM  

Best post I've read this month.

Sales matter. Learn to sell, or remain a weirdo rambling nonsense in your own little echo chamber.
Politics is a business. No businessman ever succeeded by demanding the world to surrender to its superior product. And the Left is way, way better at it than the Right has ever been. All the alt-retards trapped in the little purity spiral they created in their basement better come to terms with it fast if they are serious about their stated goals. Personally, I doubt they are. Most of them love their edge more than their objective.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 25, 2017 2:21 AM  

Good on you.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 25, 2017 2:34 AM  

@19 So how do you think Brasil got conned into ditching Cardoso for Lola?

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