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Friday, September 01, 2017

Mailvox: so just give up and die?

I have to confess, I find the defeatism of some of the critics of my advice to scratch and claw and stay occupied with genuine work to be more than a little mystifying.
Actually, I've been reading this whole comments section as well as the original post in fucking amazement, mouth agape.

For someone like VD who espouses this Lex Luthor type UHIQ evil genius his advice is comically out of date, but not surprising. When you run in rarified air feet usually not touching the ground this is not uncommon.

I know highly qualified people scratching out a living and just getting by who had this whole "keep your chin up, be strong, blah blah" mentality and it has been dragging on for half a decade or more in some cases.

Those days, quite frankly, are over. In the land of the eternal victim and the affirmative action hire your "just be busy and take any job" fantasy is about as relevant as thinking you are the most qualified candidate actually matters.

It is like these people are living in some odd alternate reality where they can -clearly- see the pozzing of the culture at large, but somehow think that in the job climate, there is still something resembling sanity, rationality, or logic.

Odd that... this is one of the worst articles I've ever seen here actually.
The thing is, in every single case, the individual criticizing the advice completely fails to suggest an alternative. Crime? Welfare? Suicide? More education? Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?

I'm genuinely curious if they actually have anything to offer, or if my suspicions are correct and they are simply young, college-educated gammas who have no idea how to find or create a job. The fact that this particular gentleman is talking about "highly qualified people", "most qualified candidate", and "affirmative action hire" tends to indicate that he does not understand the distinction between corporate paper-pushing and actual work.

Look, we Generation Xers know what it is like to be prepared for one labor environment only to discover that all of one's preparation has proven to be useless and misguided and generally inapplicable. The situation is what it is. So, what are you going to do about it? Cry, complain, and give up? Or make your own way?

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Anonymous Faceless September 01, 2017 1:07 PM  

What did Diamond Dave say?

I learned half of what I know from the worst teacher goin'
Experience
That school's too slow an' I know folks
Smart ones from the city
Who gone and made a life's work
A decade later, they still doin' shitty
Experience

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 01, 2017 1:08 PM  

The advice is spot on, actually.

As the saying goes, "Idle hands are the devil's playthings."

I spent a stint about 4 years ago where I had be let go from a position, and spent almost 5 months trying to find something. The mitigating factor in all of this was the fact that I had been given a decent severance, and I had some savings that I could tap into to help defray costs in between positions (unfortunately, I'm without those savings now, but I'm in an infinitely better position now than I was then).

What did I do in the meantime? When I wasn't hitting the pavement looking for a position, either at a job fair or one of the various positions I interviewed for, I was honing other skills I thought would be beneficial. Learning. Getting smart on what I could do. Knew that I had some time before I HAD to find something definite, but in the end, it all worked out.

It's not a matter of keeping your head up or any sort of other platitudes. It's being able to adapt and survive. If you're unable to do that, then you need to learn how. It's not THAT hard.

Anonymous Coal fired bisket September 01, 2017 1:10 PM  

He should stop being a bitch and join a union. Best way for the average man to become anti-fragile.

Blogger Jimmy Glover September 01, 2017 1:12 PM  

M father taught me best.

Do what you have to do until you can do what you want to do.

Blogger Quadko September 01, 2017 1:17 PM  

"Only eat what you kill." I don't think the advice would sound so bad to some of the critics if they weren't supplied food, shelter, and clothing from someone else's work. I'm speaking from family experience; amazing how quickly they got a job when not allowed to sit around parent's house "waiting for the right opportunity" anymore.

And the other best advice is being anti-fragile, which the critics really don't like! And maybe is not where the person who needs to hear "get busy" is at the moment. I wish I had that part figured out myself.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 1:18 PM  

> ...fails to suggest an alternative. Crime? Welfare? Suicide? More education? Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?

Most people seem to turn to drugs. The the first two are fairly common as well, and it's not like they can't do all three.

> So, what are you going to do about it? Cry, complain, and give up? Or make your own way?

I believe the traditional method is try each of them in roughly that order.

> He should stop being a bitch and join a union. Best way for the average man to become anti-fragile.

There is some truth to that at the individual level, though it doesn't help with overall employment levels.

Blogger Quadko September 01, 2017 1:19 PM  

Hm, @3 "union" idea of anti-fragile and @5 my idea of anti-fragile are very different... multiple streams of income, report to no one "boss" just customers, etc.

Anonymous johnc September 01, 2017 1:20 PM  

It's true that the unemployment situation is really bad in the US. A lot worse than people are willing to admit. Even more frustrating is that when jobs are created, they disproportionately go to immigrants (e.g., the Obama years).

In my industry I just decided to become an independent contractor. It wasn't necessarily an easy or risk-free path, but it's the one that best aligns with my personality anyhow, so it works for me.

Otherwise I think you have to be open to looking into different lines of work altogether.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 1:23 PM  

> I wish I had that part figured out myself.

Financial independence is the hardest nut for most people to crack. If it were easy no one would be a wage slave. And it doesn't help that our entire financial and taxation system actively work against your doing so.

It is doable, even on a normal person's salary. But it's not easy and it takes a long time.

Blogger Weouro September 01, 2017 1:23 PM  

Other than a two month stint at little Caesars when I was 16 the only way I've gotten a job is by meeting the right person. The way you meet the right person is by being on location and working. That's how the oil field works anyway. They have an online application filtration system that is 100% useless. I got out of the oil field and was doing anything so I did a three day job for a guy hauling gravel and he told me about starting a trucking business. That's what I did for the past year and a half. At the end of the year I should have as much cash as when I started and a fully paid for tractor/trailer and a lot more knowledge about road construction, bidding and running a business. I just sold two of my trucks, I'm writing an online course on how to start a trucking business. My plan is to go part time with trucking and start a different business where my clientele includes millennial girls on vacation rather than old truckers and construction workers. Opportunity is everywhere.

Blogger Ezekiel September 01, 2017 1:24 PM  

Worst case scenario? Find out where the illegals and work parole people work in your area, and take a temp job there. Lumber yards and plant nurseries and the like, usually.

These places tend to have a very high turnover rate, they will take ANYONE who fills out an application and if you're not the kind to regularly show up drunk or stoned then you'll probably a full time position doing QC. It's not something you would want to do long-term, but if you can survive the wages, the work and the workforce then once you get something better you'll walk away from it knowing that you can handle pretty much any form of employment in the world.

Say, isn't the cranberry harvest on up in New England right now?

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 01, 2017 1:25 PM  

The word Coolie translates to "Man of Bitter Strength". That means you grit your teeth, do what you can and endure, even through bitterness and hardship. We are the new Coolies.

Blogger DJ | AMDG September 01, 2017 1:26 PM  

Twenty, thirty years on...What Color is Your Parachute remains the most practical advice guide to job/career transitioning. I've shared it's wisdom and even the book with countless men screwed over by believing the cultural lie about education = job = security = happiness. It's mind boggling to know how many of said men reject it as pure bunk and claim, "Maybe this was true once...but things are different now."

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass September 01, 2017 1:27 PM  

As @2 said you adapt. I'm currently in an industry that I never trained for in high school or grad school. The pay is horrendous, it's been a long year and eight months, but it's a job. Meanwhile I've kept my eyes open on positions in my desired industry and am in the running for one that pays well. I'm 30. You need to do something for work. You don't like it? Focus on bettering yourself on something that's tolerable. Most importantly, and we guys tend to do this, don't make work your life. Live to work, not the other way around.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2017 1:30 PM  

Well said. Most of the complaints about the broken employment situation, the effects of immigration and outsourcing, the worthlessness of an expensive degree, and so on are true. I've expressed many of them myself. But when you're trying to decide what to do, or advising an individual, you have to say, "Okay, granting all that, now what?" You still have to come up with a plan of action.

This isn't like political defeatism, where if you're convinced the establishment is unbeatable you can just disconnect and hope to die before things get too bad and they come for you. A man's gotta eat, and hopefully he can do better than just feed himself. That means he's gotta work.

Blogger EscapeVelocity September 01, 2017 1:31 PM  

We are never defeated unless we give up on God.- Ronald Reagan

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 01, 2017 1:37 PM  

Weouro wrote:{T]he only way I've gotten a job is by meeting the right person. The way you meet the right person is by being on location and working.

It's not even that. If you know someone, somewhere, even if it's not directly in an industry or trade you specialize in, chances are they know of someone who's looking for help. Networking is HUGE in this regard.

I think out of all of the positions that I've held in my life, only one that I obtained was due to the strength of my credentials, and not based on some sort of networked connection (whether it was a recruiter or otherwise). Now, some of those positions weren't exactly a great fit once I got into them, but that's part of the reason you go looking for something better. It's not just about the money in a lot of cases; it more about using your time productively AND effectively.

The only area I think I'm truly lacking in is my professional networking. Not for a lack of trying, though. I think I'm just a bit too much of a hard ass in letting folks into my particular circle. And a lot of inquiries I current tend to attract are just recruiters, who usually have no idea what their managers are looking for most of the time. Just because a word or five on a two year old resume matches up for a position you've been trying to fill for six months means I need you constantly pinging me because I answered an email.

Blogger rycamor September 01, 2017 1:37 PM  

[My usual diatribe when these threads pop up]

Every setback should be looked upon as an opportunity to learn something else, and to best a new challenge.

I spent several years in blue-collar trades after graduating from college. There were times it was depressing, as a young man with high SAT scores, lots of ideas, and high expectations (not to mention just a few too many airs of superiority). I had to realize that my expectations did not mean a damn thing to the world out there. If you want to work with or for people, *their* expectations are what matters. So I started thinking about what my boss wanted to accomplish, and began suggesting ways I could help the business. I then became his office manager and right-hand man, and began helping steer the business, and suddenly all kinds of fascinating possibilities began to open up. I eventually left the company because I was infatuated with the internet revolution and wanted a piece of that. While it has benefited me well, I truly suspect that I would be a good deal richer now if I had stayed with that company.

You can talk all you want about how Things Have Changed, but the fact is there is still an 18 trillion dollar GDP and all that money is being spent somewhere. There are literally 6 million private companies in the USA. 50% of American jobs are in small businesses. So maybe... find out what people want to spend their money on, and look for how your skills can find a place?

When I was a teenager, my dad had given me the Dale Carnegie book "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Every single one of you complainers needs to read that book at least once before giving up on life. Yeah, his advice may sound very outdated and hokey, and from the age of Leave it to Beaver, but the essential point of it is Get Over Yourself and find out how to see things from the point of view of the person who has money. Why should that person spend money on you? What do you offer? If you can't really answer that question, you need to start there. You should have it in your mind that you are bringing something to the table to make the other person's life better.

Anonymous Bill September 01, 2017 1:37 PM  

Natural selection in action.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 01, 2017 1:41 PM  

Vox and others advice is dialectic with some rhetoric. The response is pure rhetoric. Why? Why the emotion?

That emotion is just like Vox's hate of Boomertards and for a lot of the same reasons.

Because the advice rhetoric looks a whole lot like the standard Boomertard "When I was your age" "Just go for it" "get a good pension" "Bootstraps!' advice. Advice that ignores what Boomertards have done to the economy over the last 40 years. People are reacting rhetorically to that, not looking at the dialectic.

"We were lied to!". Yeah, you were. Pretty much everyone else was, too. Even a lot of younger Boomertards. Whose fault? Who's to blame? What difference does the blame make? When the crying towel gets soaked, it's time to do something else. The dialectic advice remains solid.

Plus the helicoptering that too many Millennials got in childhood from their Boomertard and Xr parents is an added handicap. Still not an excuse. Once the emotion runs down, the dialectic advice is still there.

Anonymous Cantostop September 01, 2017 1:42 PM  

Vox, I agree with this guy, but not his style of communication obviously. I recently moved back to the US after many years abroad. I was making very good money with high earning potential. I moved back to the US in no small part due to what I felt was Trump ushering in a new era, where we take back our country. A patriotism I hadn't ever felt, and it felt wonderful.

Someone made a comment on the Snidely thread, about class being very real. Depending on what you want to get back into, advertising that you are driving Uber or shoveling dirt may not be the best idea, at all. Even first working at CompUSA, inspiring as it sounds in that one particular case.

Further, what people who are not in the situation don't understand, is just how bad it is on the ground here. Keeping a job is one thing, but reentering a field after time has passed, makes you appreciate it in a different way, just how difficult it is.

I would happily do construction in the meantime, for example, but how could I possibly compete with beaners? Even service jobs, like bartenders, we now have countless millions of paperwork Americans here.

I think all of your posts on the subject and Snidely have been spot on and compassionate, my respect for you has grown a lot the last few days. Even your response to this guy isnt the usual attack attack, it's actually considerate to his position.

My point is, it IS very tough, for EVERYONE, now. Competition from paperwork American and illegal invaders, a middle class exported to third world manufacturing shitholes, and on and on.

I have been looking for a job for quite some time, someone of my background should have no problem, yet it's been incredibly stressful, and so far, nothing. Part of me has seriously thought of just forgetting about getting back into my industry here, finding some shit job to just get by, and joining up with other Americans to prepare for the inevitable. And as I look for a job and am in many cases a minority wherever I go in my divercity, surrounded by invaders as I struggle for a decent job in my own country, I imagine others on the fringes are starting to feel the same.

So to answer your question, fight with every breath you have to get that job you know you deserve, continue to hustle. And if after everything, after many months or years, you still can't get anything close, it might be time not to fight for scraps, but for survival. Time not to give up and die, but to band together, with no longer anything to lose by getting doxxed, and prepare with no apologies for the upcoming civil war.

Anonymous Bz September 01, 2017 1:42 PM  

If you work with computers, apart from being a contractor, you always have the option of doing a modest little startup, say, an e-commerce site selling T-shirts or the equivalent (you are allowed to be more ambitious too). That also plugs any employment gaps quite nicely.

Hint: It doesn't matter if it fails.

Blogger DonReynolds September 01, 2017 1:43 PM  

@4 Jimmy Glover wrote:M father taught me best.

Do what you have to do until you can do what you want to do.


My family is Scot-Irish, so their best advice was "Nice Doggie".

Keep saying "Nice Doggie" until you get your hands on a good strong stick and then bash the SOB.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 1:44 PM  

+1 on What Color is Your Parachute.

I'm amazed that the first thing so many out of work people work on today is focus on a resume. I talked to one person who was delaying starting his job search till he got his resume just right.

Hint: (1) nobody reads paper resumes, and (2) your Linkedin profile should be your resume, as that is where most potential employers will check first to find out info about you.

Being out of work should be should be treated as a full time, 12 hour a day job. If you aren't looking for work, you should be adding a skill to make you more hirable.

If you are employed, you should spend time each week in job hunting mode.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 01, 2017 1:47 PM  

In my late twenties, just married and with our first child on the way, through my own epic stupidity I became unemployed. Predictably, all the prospects in my field that I had disdained while still with my previous employer abruptly lost interest in me the moment I was no longer in the game.

Six months later, at rock bottom, utterly miserable and reconciled to the fact that I had permanently screwed myself, I took a flyer on a freelance gig pushing buttons on a cassette tape deck for $140 a week. The alternative was to sit at home while my pregnant wife paid all the bills until she was unable to work anymore.

My new employer assured me, "This is all we have. There are no raises. We do not hire any of our freelancers. We'll understand if you leave as soon as you find anything better. That's how it is here."

Two months in they gave me a raise and hired me full time, shortly after which I started freelancing at night in addition to my regular pay. I left five years later as the department head on my own terms.

People who work hard and smart are always valuable in any job market. Vox is spot-on, and anyone who is criticizing his sage advice has probably got their own personality or work-ethic issues to figure out.

Anonymous TLM September 01, 2017 1:50 PM  

VD's advice the other day was solid. I think too many people, younger & middle-age, put up psychological barriers that prevent them from seeing beyond the modern day matrix of some corporate position with good benefits, blah, blah, blah.

A friend of mine lost his position with a secondary education company, as that market is drying up, post 50 yrs old. Another friend put him to work selling low end life insurance policies to low income seniors. he's making more doing that than he ever did, and only works 4 days a week. There is always something else out there.

Slightly OT: This demoralizing Little Caesar's commercial is hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV89zxrtM-Q

Blogger Pinakeli September 01, 2017 1:51 PM  

I have found that having a job will at least get you contacted when not having one doesn't. My job went away at the first of May due to funding issues. When I changed my online resume to show self employed I suddenly got more contacts.

The contract work actually pays about what I was getting, but I have higher overhead and would rather have a regular job, but I do what I can.

Most of the contacts are for South Austin (I live in Round Rock), so that adds a 30 - 45 minute drive. I'm still willing to make that drive. Age may be a factor, but at least I have income for now.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 1:52 PM  

@21,

If you are in the IT industry (as Snidely is) the best out of work activity is to put up a project on GitHub. Something that demonstrates your skills. People who can code are in high demand. A practical demonstration of your skills goes a long way to opening doors.

Of course, this is why you should be involved in an open source project or have something of your own, and work on it while you have a job.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 01, 2017 1:54 PM  

I'm genuinely curious if they actually have anything to offer, or if my suspicions are correct and they are simply young, college-educated gammas who have no idea how to find or create a job.

I'd bank on VD's suspicions. (Well, Gammas and higher-functioning Omegas.)

Maturing out of your Gamma/Omega traits isn't just about improving your love life, it's also about improving your business life.

Blogger rycamor September 01, 2017 1:55 PM  

@Cantostop,

Just look at your phrasing:

I have been looking for a job for quite some time, someone of my background should have no problem
...
fight with every breath you have to get that job you know you deserve,

You do not deserve a job. A job is not something one deserves. No one deserves anything from someone else, except not to be violated.

I know it is frustrating, I know it is tough. You say "we" Gen Xers don't know how tough it is. How would you know? I spent years away from "the job I deserved".

And back in 1981, I saw my dad go through the same thing, possibly far harder than what you experienced, because he left his cushy research scientist job to become a missionary in 1971, and then returned to the USA more than a decade later. He did everything from door-to-door sales to odd jobs. It was an incredibly tough few years for our family. It finally got somewhat better when he became a high school teacher, and he finally began loving life again when he was able to start his own small business installing satellite dishes. Never once did I hear the man complain.

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 01, 2017 1:56 PM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:Most importantly, and we guys tend to do this, don't make work your life. Live to work, not the other way around.

That is a true statement. It's tough when you start out new somewhere (I'm 39, and I've been my current position for 9 months), only because you need to build up the corporate benefits, but once you have some time banked and are able to free up a day here and there, it gets easier. Hell, allowing you to have some leeway in putting in hours also helps.

Blogger Frenzy September 01, 2017 2:00 PM  

Get a job at Wendy's, work hard, be reliable and on time, and you'll be shift leader within the year, manager in 2, and own one in under a decade.

The problem is that people don't know how to work hard and be reliable ALWAYS. Look at anyone who complains about their job situation, and you'll find that they aren't giving it their all.

At the end of the day, why blame others for your lack of progress when there is more you can still do to better yourself? Focus on bettering yourself, and ignore what others have to say!

Anonymous Nick September 01, 2017 2:00 PM  

I used to live in Silicon Valley and work at Stanford. It wasn't high tech work, but I made a good living and it was a really good situation. I decided at a certain point that I had reached a plateau and ended up moving to Poland where my skills are in much higher demand and I have way more room to grow. If people are "highly qualified" but just "scratching out a living", then they're dolts who never seriously considered moving to a place where their qualifications will be appreciated, or more likely, they aren't nearly as "qualified" as they or others think they are. Mindset and determination beats degrees and certificates.

Blogger The Kurgan September 01, 2017 2:00 PM  

(sniffing the air)
I detect....
Millennial...
With a stench of gamma.... and...
A whiff of degree debt cretinity.

West. I think he's out West too.

Anonymous Andrew September 01, 2017 2:02 PM  

Pride didn't put food on my table. We didn't eat like kings, but we weren't on foodstamps.
Pride didn't keep a roof over my kids head. Sure, the house we were renting was 70 years old, had some issues, and an absentee landlord who didn't do much other than collect the check, but it was warm in the winter, cool in the summer, and dry when it was raining and snowing.
Pride didn't keep my kids in clothes. They weren't the best name brand clothes, and they may have been second hand in many cases, but they were clean, and they fit well.

I didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up. It took me 30 something years to figure out what I wanted to do, and after some false starts in some other fields, a two year certificate and some personal connections later I am what I consider gainfully employed. It's not the best paying job in the field, but I like the company I work for, like most of the people I work with, and most of the people I work for. Its paying for the house I bought last year, and taking my family on its first real vacation next year as well.

I know highly qualified people in my field waiting for the phone to ring because the jobs available to them are "beneath them." I know one person who was a mid level manager, was fired, and has basically declared he will not accept any job that wasn't the equivalent of the one he had. And yet despite his advanced education, knowledge and "smarts", he's shocked his phone hasn't rung. I know he networks, we're in some of the same groups. I know he's had job offers, because the position I took when I hired in was originally offered to him, as we both know the same guy who hired me.

On a minor tangent, I have a friend who comes from a well to do family. He went to college because it was expected, went to law school because it was expected, then dropped out after his second year, went to tech school, and became a welder. His dad was shocked, his mom offended (he was becoming one of the common folk), they think they are failures as parents. He took his certificate to North Dakota, joined a firm working on DAPL, and made over $100K his first year. And he's happier now than he has been in years. And his parents still think he's failed.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 2:05 PM  

"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is always sound advice. Unless it's being given to you by a Boomer.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 2:06 PM  

> If you are in the IT industry (as Snidely is) the best out of work activity is to put up a project on GitHub.

If you're a programmer. Not everyone in IT is. There's tech support, data base administration, SAP folks, security, networking, and a whole host of other specialties.

Anonymous Sharrukin September 01, 2017 2:10 PM  

Around 90 million people out of the workforce.

Even if you magically reduce that number to 30 million, there aren't jobs for most of them.

Blogger tz September 01, 2017 2:13 PM  

On the left, if you are currently included in the victim list, they will throw support and cash at you if you just plead - from total strangers (see Deandre).

On the right, everyone must first perform their own judicial review to wonder if they did something even a little bit stupid or wrong or imprudent, or is outside of the inner inner in-group for the preference before even thinking about helping, and more often they will pen a list of everything wrong so excusing not acting.

And negativity works both ways. Instead of "Let me show you what you need to do to find a job", instead there are accusations and insults. Repay negative with negative. Someone is hurting and the first instinct is to inflict more pain? Stupid Jew, didn't you know the Jericho road was dangerous - you deserved to be beaten and robbed!.

This is where socialism, even national socialism comes from. You are abandoned by everyone who you should be able to depend on, friends, family (what's left of the shattered ones), or even your church. But the big state government says "I see you're hurting, I'll show mercy, I'll help you". So allegiance moves from even friends and church to the state. Why not? The state is the friend of the weak in a more direct and immediate way. It may be exploitative, or a facade, but there is something solid that appears to be sympathy. That is why antifa is fighting so hard.

The atomistic individual as per libertarian is rare and is unlikely to thrive. But that is exactly how people are looked at on the right. Make YOUR OWN way?

Look at the response to Hurricane Harvey. Is there a lot of cruel accusations, "you should have stored food and water for a month!"; "you should have bought flood insurance!"; "Your dead mother should have evacuated!". Or is there a spirit of charity and giving and an idea that there, but for the grace of God, go I, so I shall help them?

This is something where I think the alt-White is better than the alt-West. Blood is a strong force for solidarity. Christendom is built on Christ, and Agape, caritas, charity (love), with philosophy being the tool to discover the best course and balance short and long term actions. The Alt-West seems to be more built on philosophy, with Christian charity as at best an afterthought. Even the civic nationalists miss that America was great because it was good, not because it had a good philosophy, not because it had some abstract declarations about equality and rights on paper. This deep wisdom was written in the heart of every American Citizen from an early age. It is no longer.

It is also why pro-Trump identity politics is a good thing. I have solidarity with every other Trump supporter. That is the problem with moderates - their solidarity and fealty is to something else, often abstract.

If someone is sick, and I help them get better, or are unemployed and I find them a job, the only thing I expect is their depression and negativity to turn into joy and gratitude. And it usually does.

If everyone is "on their own", then the letter writer is correct and we should all give up since tragedy can strike at any time. Accidents, severe illness, other misfortune.

While we can look at nuclear families from the 1950s, you can also see the Union halls, the "old war buddies", the Elks, Eagles, IOOF, and others who would be in solidarity with a person undergoing a tragedy. And it was the point of a "blood and soil" speech given at Mises U - if we don't want government - and I'll add big corporations - controlling everything, we need the private charitable infrastructure that handled such things. Even 4GW - insurgents only are effective when the people back them and will help them.

Whether it is a proposition, blood, or soil, it cannot be a nation without the culture binding it together as a community of communities, not a bunch of independent individuals.

Anonymous Grayman September 01, 2017 2:15 PM  

Talking about jobs.....

I may be in the need of someone to do software release testing. The work is intermittent and generally needs to be done during regular business hours as part of the overall release team. It is remote work and can be done from anywhere you have a PC and an internet connection.

Given the intermittent nature of the work its not the easiest slot to fill. It is software for a regulated industry and requires a high level of attention to detail.

Some level of experience with release testing or software validation is preferred by MAY be negotiable.

graymannn at protonmail

Blogger CM September 01, 2017 2:17 PM  

Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?

Personally, I'm a fan of this solution.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 01, 2017 2:21 PM  

Generation X is the first generation that really believed in the American Dream and had that dream not come true for us.

Lots of big picture reasons for that.

The Greats, the Silents and Boomers all were riding the crest of a wave.

That wave crashed on us.

It's an inverse of Christ's parable of the Prodigal Son. In our world it is the older son who is is the Prodigal wastrel and yet he inherited everything. The younger son is the faithful one who got screwed... BY HIS OLDER BROTHER.

Blogger Johnny September 01, 2017 2:24 PM  

I am sympathetic with the complains and I believe that some people really are locked into never getting a good job. But that should not excuse not doing the best you can with whatever your circumstance is. Plus complaining needs to be selective because most people don't want to hear it.

And just a side thought on this. Once when I was out of a job and not getting one, I was sorely tempted to write an invented resume. Say whatever the hell I thought they wanted to hear.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 01, 2017 2:25 PM  

Right now I'm looking into setting up some kind of a Linux box at home with GitHub and start working on an Open Source project.

Right now I don't have a clue how to do this as I've always worked in a Microsoft shop (C#, ASP, MS Dev Studio etc.) as a production code monkey building and fixing stuff other's start.

Any direction or hints from experienced and knowledgeable Ilk is appreciated.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 2:25 PM  

> Personally, I'm a fan of this solution.

I can see the appeal, I'll admit. But I don't see it getting you hired, so it's merely a reprisal tactic. And for that, putting child porn on the exec's PC would work just as well.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 2:25 PM  

@37,

There is a shortage of automated QA and DevOps people. Both requires some coding skills, but not developer level.

Anonymous Grayman September 01, 2017 2:26 PM  

@43 Johnny

Do you know how common that is even amongst "senior" level people with 15+ years experience in their fields?!

Blogger CM September 01, 2017 2:26 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Personally, I'm a fan of this solution.

I can see the appeal, I'll admit. But I don't see it getting you hired, so it's merely a reprisal tactic. And for that, putting child porn on the exec's PC would work just as well.


The tips are just getting better and better!

I still have 3 more years before there is an expectation I go back to work... by then my oldest will be in middle school and I can start homeschooling!

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 2:31 PM  

@44,

Are you interested in learning Linux specifically, because GitHub code isn't limited to Linux.

Depending on your application, there's no reason you can't develop on a Windows or Apple box.

If you want to code a web solution, I'd suggest putting it up at some web host, so any potential employers could browse your site.

Are you looking to develop some DevOps skills?

Blogger Ben Cohen September 01, 2017 2:31 PM  

I've been working in contract accounting roles for over two years now. The lessons I learned is that every job, even permanent ones, are temporary in that you can be fired in two seconds and to shift your mindset and think of yourself as a business as well as finding out what motivates your client/ employer and helping them get it.

The best book on this is Harry Brownes the secret of selling anything. Also gorilla mindset is a good all around book to get your mind and body in the right shape to endure the inevitable stumbling blocks.

Thank you.

Anonymous zook September 01, 2017 2:33 PM  

There is truth in both claims. You can't sit down and cry about, however, the idea that "success" as so defined in current society is all but guaranteed is clearly myth.

The problem with Vox's original post is that it suffers from the informal or "person who" fallacy. In his anecdote a lawyer spends a year unemployed before taking a lowly job at Compuserve and then in a roundabout way winds up as a C-level executive. But every lawyer who takes a job as a computer sales rep is not going to end up as the Chief Legal Office for a major tech firm. But it's an anecdote. The logic clearly won't work for everybody.

I'm actually surprised that Vox fell for this. The alt-right applies this quite effectively to race using the short-hand NAXALT (not all X are like that). Using the same logic in Vox's argument one could argue that because Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an acclaimed physicist all black people are intelligent, law abiding citizens. Clearly not the case.

I think the resolution is to encourage work, but also encourage a cultural change surrounding our perception of work and value. In the case of work, a cultural reversion. In the 19th Century, I would remind Vox, the American Dream had a very different meaning then it did today

"The German emigrant comes into a country free from the despotism, privileged orders and monopolies, intolerable taxes, and constraints in matters of belief and conscience. Everyone can travel and settle wherever he pleases. No passport is demanded, no police mingles in his affairs or hinders his movements ... Fidelity and merit are the only sources of honor here. The rich stand on the same footing as the poor; the scholar is not a mug above the most humble mechanics; no German ought to be ashamed to pursue any occupation ..."

F. W. Bogen, The German in America (Boston, 1851), quoted in Stephen Ozment, A Mighty Fortress: A New History of the German People (2004) pp. 170–71

So, I would be more in favor not of a communistic equal economic return to work but of an equivalent CULTURAL standing to work. Sort of a cultural socialist. One should not feel a lesser man for taking a different form of work where it is needed. It today's business climate a person is. That needs to change.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 2:35 PM  

> Any direction or hints from experienced and knowledgeable Ilk is appreciated.

Go to https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Download an iso of your desired version (for a reasonably modern machine 64 bit Cinnamon is probably your best choice, but you probably know enough to make that decision, and any of them should work).

Burn the iso to a USB drive with your choice of program (Rufus works well, but there are any number of them).

Reboot the machine from the USB drive (how to do so is different for every manufacturer) and let Mint walk you through the installation process.

Reboot when done and enjoy your new Linux system.

There are tutorials and howto's on the Linux Mint site and their fora are fairly friendly. Any problems you run into are probably already documented and a solution is probably only a Duck Duck Go search away. Any specialized software you may need will also probably have a howto that's a quick search away.

There are lots of distributions, but Mint is a very good starter/intermediate one. You can branch out and try others whenever you want. Setting up KVM virtual machines with a new distro is pretty much a cakewalk, so it's easy to experiment.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 2:36 PM  

@37,

One thing non-programmers miss is attending local user group meetings.

Are you a project manager on an Android project? Do you attend the local Android user group meetings?

A QA person (or manager), then attend the local QA user groups and user groups for the technologies you QA.

These groups are for making connections, but they are also for keeping up to speed with the technological changes in area.

You should attend at least two of these a month--minimum.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 01, 2017 2:39 PM  

I'll say one thing for these threads - I'm picking up pointers for a post-retirement job. Especially that taking a month or two off might not be the best idea.

I'll throw in my own small piece of advice - stay drug-free, DUI-free, and with good credit. You'll need those for a security clearance...and they can't use foreign nationals on those.

Anonymous Transistor September 01, 2017 2:40 PM  

Vox,

Thanks for the story on your lawyer friend and the advice. I needed to hear that.

Blogger peppermint88 September 01, 2017 2:42 PM  

It really is out of touch to tell millennials and generation zyklon to keep at it and if they work hard they'll be successful the converse of which is if they're not successful they're not working hard enough.

It's also flatly true that withiut trying failure is guaranteed.

Working a shit job pays the bills for now and won't help climb the ladder. There is simply no way up the ladder for many intelligent young people, which is the reason there is an alt-right. The best we can do is work, pay the bills, help each other, prove our skills, understand that the boomers hate us and genxers think we're just lazy, pay for alt-right stuff as much as possible, and wait until the oldfags die off and we can reconstruct society in a way that makes it possible for the next generation to live better than we did.

Gas the boomers, generation war now.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 2:45 PM  

I should also note in passing that while dice.com used to be the go to site for IT jobs, indeed.com seems to have completely bypassed it in usefulness. But if you're looking for work you'll want to use several job sites, including your state unemployment one (if it exists).

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 01, 2017 2:46 PM  

Andrew wrote:On a minor tangent, I have a friend who comes from a well to do family. He went to college because it was expected, went to law school because it was expected, then dropped out after his second year, went to tech school, and became a welder. His dad was shocked, his mom offended (he was becoming one of the common folk), they think they are failures as parents. He took his certificate to North Dakota, joined a firm working on DAPL, and made over $100K his first year. And he's happier now than he has been in years. And his parents still think he's failed.

Second generation in my family to go to college, my dad was the first. Looking back, I should have taken up a trade. I actually enjoy getting my hands dirty, and I feel like I truly accomplish things when I do. Professionally, I'm in this weird place where I didn't do enough hands on grunt work on certain technologies, but I'm expected to be a complete sage, at least by my customers. My management has been understanding of this, but with money being tight for the foreseeable future, it is what it is, for now. If we could figure out a way to make the customer pay for some training to be at least somewhat competent, then that's the best way to go. It is what it is, and so I try to make do with the resources I have access to.

I just need to develop some better discipline when it comes to doing so.

As for the thinking that entering a trade/going back and learning the more fundamental aspects of a skill is a failure? Dude, I'd be less inclined to hire you, much less speak to you if you didn't have a desire of wanting to learn how something worked from top to bottom, much less enjoyed the process. How else are you going to get a customer to buy what you're selling to them? It sure isn't going to be BS when those who know what they're talking about can detect it in an instant.

Blogger peppermint88 September 01, 2017 2:48 PM  

Back in the day people who weren't UHIQ or who had made mistakes in their lives could still get good jobs and raise families. The poster child is GWB was drunk driving in his 30s and still got to be president. Boomers in their 40s would talk about their inner child.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 2:50 PM  

"I have been looking for a job for quite some time, someone of my background should have no problem"

Ouch, I believe "What Color is Your Parachute" covers this classic job hunter MISTAKE. He's focused on himself instead of the employer's needs (who in this case, is the customer he is trying to sell himself to).

No employer cares about what you have done in the past. They care about what you can do for them RIGHT NOW.

They have a problem and they want a solution to THAT problem.

Liz Ryan (who can be found on Linkedin), talks about writing pain-letters. You describe the pain they are experiencing and then describe how YOU are the answer to receiving their pain.

This is why generalist (jack of all trades) get hired last.

Who is more likely to get hired first.

1) Diesel mechanic that can work on any engine
2) Diesel mechanic that specializes in Caterpillar engines

#2, because he fill a specific need.

It's counter intuitive, but trimming down your resume to focus on a specific skill will get you a job faster than having a bunch of stuff on it.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 01, 2017 2:50 PM  

ABORT, RETRY, FAIL?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 01, 2017 2:51 PM  

Another point I'm seeing - It pays to network. More particularly, it pays to have a network in place. Not necessarily in your work field of record, just connections. Preferably cross-generation. The old geezers at the skeet range are hiring...or know people who are.

Anonymous AZFloyd September 01, 2017 2:52 PM  

That wave crashed on us.

This is true. But irrelevant. You can spend a lot of time being angry, cursing God, and whining about how unfair it is. I've done more than my fair share. But I've learned that one measure of a man is what he does with adversity. Do you stand up and deal with it and try to persevere, or just give up. I've been homeless most of the last 8 years. Living in my jeep for one. But it could be worse. I could be in Allepo. I could be in an extermination camp. Things could be much worse. Much worse. Did you have a roof over your head last night? Did you eat today
Then STFU and count your blessings. I refuse to be defeated. Sure I am here in part because the world is insane. But by the same token, I am here because I made some incredibly stupid decisions like going to law school. And opening my own firm. That was stupid times stupid.

But I refuse to be defeated by the economy, by the Godless, by feral hypergamy, by ubiquitous obesity, by insane HR cunts, by my own mistakes. I am a man. I stand defiant in these insane times. So STFU, get up, go look for a job, or try to get a better job. Be a man of the West and stand for something

/sperg rant over

Blogger Ben Cohen September 01, 2017 2:54 PM  

95 percent of jobs created since 2005 have been contract, temp, or part time. That is where the opportunity is. The days of getting a job, working 30 years, and leaving with a gold watch and pension are over.

You can rage against things or you can get out there and make it happen. We're all dead men walking anyways.

Hell, I know of accounting firms firing their employees and shipping the work to India. What the hell are you supposed to do about that?

Blogger Ingot9455 September 01, 2017 2:55 PM  

@24 The best book on resumes is The Damn Good Resume Guide - available for $10 on Amazon, or cheaper for the older versions that are just as good.

Precis: Your resume is an advertisement of you, no more no less. There are two types of resumes, 'functional' which are evocative and descriptive, and 'chronological' which are a boring recounting of everywhere you have been and everything you have done.

In IT fields people expect some level of 'chronological' but you should strive to be as 'functional' as possible.

If humanly possible, keep it to one page. If you have many years of experience you can go to a second page for your older experiences. You can only go to a third page if you are interviewing for a Board-level position.

Don't play textual/graphical games because chances are your resume will go into a text-only editor. Plan for that.

Ingot's addition: Craigslist is also a good place to post your text-optimized resume. Headhunters and IT departments scan and collect from there. I've gotten two jobs from there so far. Other jobs websites come and go.

Blogger Nate September 01, 2017 2:56 PM  

I'll bet on "Cry, complain, and give up?".

Anonymous Cantostop September 01, 2017 2:57 PM  

@rycamor
When I say "deserve," I mean it with an element of confidence but not arrogance, I mean, to know one is suitable and qualified, and an employer under normal circumstances would be lucky to have.

No one owes me a particular or any job, but I am confident that I am deserving of one.

Thanks for your post, I like the positivity. I will reread Dale Carnegie, it's been a while.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 01, 2017 2:57 PM  

@52 Thanks James

Otto Lamp wrote:Are you interested in learning Linux specifically, because GitHub code isn't limited to Linux.

Depending on your application, there's no reason you can't develop on a Windows or Apple box.

If you want to code a web solution, I'd suggest putting it up at some web host, so any potential employers could browse your site.

Are you looking to develop some DevOps skills?


I want to try something new that is in demand and pays better than the current gig. Whatever I do at home off company time would have to use relatively inexpensive or free tools. I have good hardware.

I'd prefer to work on and contribute to an existing project even with little or no pay. I'm a production guy. Coming up with the idea and initial architecture, project structure etc. is not my strength.

Digging into something in progress, learning/understanding it, then fixing, improving, adding features is what I mostly do now.

Continuing in the Windows world would be fine with me. My impression was most of the Open Source projects needing my kind of help were in Linux.

RE: DevOps. That would would be great. How best for me to move into it from a primarily tech-support/coder background?

The way out of my stagnant bubble is to try something new.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 2:58 PM  

> The days of getting a job, working 30 years, and leaving with a gold watch and pension are over.

Even if you do get a full time job, it almost certainly won't have a pension. But it will probably have a 401K. Max out the match on that, it's free money.

Anonymous EH September 01, 2017 3:00 PM  

Is anyone offering any kind of workable grand plan that will employ any significant portion of the high IQ unemployed White male population? (not counting ones that will lead many of them into chronic underemployment as the underlying causes grow worse)

Such a plan to employ a significant portion of the high IQ unemployed White male population is possible, and important far beyond the number of such men because intelligence is what creates value, and these are the most under-priced brains available, so the greatest expected profit would come from employing them, but such a plan has to integrate far more than just information work, in particular radically new ways of organizing manufacturing so that the profits / rent income from productive machines is widely distributed while those who make design improvements are well compensated and their designs are easily and inexpensively available to reproduce.

Productive machines that collectively are part of a system that can create the parts of such machines that account for most of their value can form a sustainable and continually further-specializing and more widely integrating armature for an economy, while only starting out with a limited set of general-purpose machines.

The capacity to produce production machinery, combined with the ability to loan money to buy such machines with good security, thus creating money that is backed by the production capability of the machines, gives a virtuous cycle of value creation and monetary compensation, creating real profits and sound money. This can be furthered by having many individually-owned machines located together in a factory complex, with owners swapping time on each others' machines (via an automated market in which nominal hours are effectively an internal currency) to multiply their effective capital and allow producing goods from start to finish.

To prevent concentration of ownership of machines, insurance and loan requirements and rates could set a soft ceiling on machine ownership, while allowing unlimited purchase of machine time would allow large-scale manufacturing without capital.

There are many details to my plan, but the main branches of organization needed are:
*Machine-secured lender
*Foundation to license and compensate designs and testing
*Factory complex landlord / service and support org.

These will form the environment in which many small and mid-sized businesses will be fostered, particularly:
*Design and testing companies
*Production shops and their individual machine owners

I've written fairly decent one-, three- and ten-page pitches for it, but I'm not sure who to pitch an idea like this to that would be able to move it forward. Haas Automation, a large, founder-owned American manufacturer of low- to mid-priced computerized machine tools would be the ideal technical and manufacturing nucleus for the system. Where the billions needed for the lender would come from is an open question, though, as well. The risk/return ratio should be extremely good if the lender and the foundation aren't undercapitalized. Really it's the sort of thing the federal government would fund in an better world, but their capacity for tying everything up in regulation would make that a questionable idea in this one.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 3:01 PM  

@57,

I've also had good results with Glassdoor.

All these sites though, are heavily keyword driven. Which means you resume on that site should be stuffed with the appropriate keywords for the job you are targeting.

If you apply for a job and the scanner doesn't get the right keywords out of your resume, you will never even show up on the employer's list.

Tips on keyword scanning:

1) Always upload a plain text or MS-Word resume. The scanners at most companies can't process other formats (like PDF).

1) Don't use tables or columns, linear format only. Again, the scanners get confused and will just kick your resume out. Use a straight top to bottom format.

Linkedin is also good, but apparently you need about 200 connections before you become easy to find.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 3:01 PM  

> Continuing in the Windows world would be fine with me. My impression was most of the Open Source projects needing my kind of help were in Linux.

There's absolutely no reason you can't do both. The skills don't oppose each other, especially on the development side.

Anonymous Crew September 01, 2017 3:01 PM  

@Patrick Kelly, since you probably have Windows already installed, download Virtual box and install it.

Then install your favorite distro. I disagree with using something like Linux Mint or even Ubuntu, because one of the big users of Linux machines out there is Uncle Sam and they want the certifications that Red Hat has provided. So, download CentOS 7(*) and get used to that. Make sure you bridge the VM to the outside world or NAT it to the outside world so you can do upgrades from within the VM (yum upgrade) and can access the internet from within the VM.

Then find any Open Source project that interests you, any at all, and follow their web instructions to download the project. You probably want to download it using git. Git takes a bit of getting used to as Code Management System. The reason I say "anything that interests you" is that you are more likely to persevere if the project interests you and just having open source contributions on your resume can help.

Then find a bug or a new feature to work on and suggest patches on their mailing list or whatever.

Another reason I suggested CentOS above is that I have lost count of the number of companies that started out using Ubuntu only to find they had to make the expensive transition to RHEL or CentOS because government sales depend on them (STIGs or something.)

(*) I hate SystemD but that is what is used these days so I have had to get used to it.

Blogger David September 01, 2017 3:05 PM  

The reality of the situation is what matters ultimately. Even if you "deserved" a job, it's irrelevant unless you can actually enforce that and be rewarded, and if you were the type of person who could do that you're likely already employed anyway.

The financial system is shit, sure, we've known that for years, but execs don't care, politicians don't care, and the world doesn't care, but you still are in need of a job. I fully understand the appeal of the "bitterness" route, GenX and Millennials got shafted and it's going to suck for a long time. It is what it is. Complaining about it will not put bread on the table, wallowing in self-pity will not pay the rent, and being owed something doesn't mean you'll be able to collect.

As an aside, most of my (fellow) Millennial friends are working two or three low-wage jobs just to stay afloat. Some have started online businesses to supplement their incomes. The future they hoped and worked for never arrived, so they're having to make it. If you're young, the ONLY understanding and sound advice you'll get will be from GenXers who are experiencing the Second Great Depression as well. Use it and learn from it, even if it takes you longer than you'd ever thought it would. All it takes is one opportunity to change your life, be ready for it or make one if you can.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2017 3:07 PM  

Right now I'm looking into setting up some kind of a Linux box at home with GitHub and start working on an Open Source project.

To work on a git-based project, you'll need to know the basics of git. The git book available online is very good for both introductory know-how and more complicated stuff.

Once you have a Linux system up and running, install git if it's not already installed. Then find the URL of the project you want to work on, and clone it with `git clone [url]`. Now you have a full copy of that project ready to work on.

Then the question is: what project do you want to work on? Do you have something in mind, or are you open to anything? The project will determine what language you need to know, what APIs you might need to learn, things like that. If you don't have a project in mind, you may want to come at it from the other direction: what do you already know how to do, and what projects could benefit from that?

As someone else said, git and GitHub don't require Linux. I'm sure without looking that git is available for Windows and other operating systems, so if learning Linux isn't necessarily part of your goal, you might look for open-source projects that involve Windows code. There might be projects that are intended to be cross-platform, but need someone to handle the Windows-specific porting.

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Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 3:09 PM  

> I disagree with using something like Linux Mint or even Ubuntu, because one of the big users of Linux machines out there is Uncle Sam and they want the certifications that Red Hat has provided.

If you're looking to be a systems administrator or work in a corporate/government environment, yes. For development work on your own it probably doesn't matter. But yes, VirtualBox is a viable option instead of installing on a machine. You can even download preconfigured VirtualBox machines for various applications.

Anonymous Avalanche September 01, 2017 3:12 PM  

@35 He took his certificate to North Dakota, joined a firm working on DAPL, and made over $100K his first year. And he's happier now than he has been in years.

And OH! There are machine shops CRYING for workers. The problem, all too often, is they won't / can't pay for 'training someone up' from scratch and they can't find or afford someone with experience.

Jordan Peterson (whom I happened to be listening to this a.m.) points out that a certain IQ level is NECESSARY for most types of work. I was then talking to one of my (subcontractor) machinists who said the problem is, the kids come out of 'tech school' and they don't know how to do anything more than push a button; can't set up or calculate the work. (And some can't even tell when to shut the machine DOWN if something goes wrong...)

It's a field CRYING for smart(-enough) men who could learn to handle the math and engineering / programming (not really computer programming; programming, say a CAD machine or a laser or water cutter to DO what's needed); but who can, I guess, self-support while apprenticing to get that experience.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 3:12 PM  

@68,

As far as DevOps goes, I would attend the local DevOps user groups and ask what you would need to do to get into the area. What tools you would need to learn.

You could also ask the same questions in a DevOps forum (which you should get on anyway), but you wouldn't be making the connections.

Also, look at some job ads for DevOps and see what skills they require. VMWare, Chef, Puppet, Jenkins all have free versions you can learn on.

The other part of your question sounds like the "Jack of all trades" problem I referenced earlier. You want to do something better, but don't know what.

I suggest you look at some job ads and hone in on a specific job description (DevOps, Scrum-master, DBA, Network Engineer, Android programmer, or whatever) and focus on gaining skills for THAT job.

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 3:13 PM  

"West. I think he's out West too."

Only if you mean "West Coast".

Anonymous Stickwick September 01, 2017 3:21 PM  

A good friend of mine -- we'll call him Dave -- is an expert in getting ahead by applying the same advice Vox is giving.

Dave is a highly qualified engineer, but lost a lucrative corporate job when the team was suddenly demolished. It was a bad time for tech jobs, and with nothing else in sight, he took a job as a cashier/bagger at a grocery store.

It was a horrible job -- I felt humiliated for Dave, who had a good degree and lots of experience -- but he worked his rear end off. One afternoon, he insisted on taking an elderly man's groceries out to his car even though it was pouring rain. The man asked what a go-getter like Dave was doing working at a grocery store, and Dave told him why. The man turned out to have tech connections, and a week later Dave had a low-level engineering job. It was a crappy job, but it led to another less-crappy job, which led to another less crappy job.

Finally, about two years after the grocery store, Dave was offered a better corporate job than the one he originally lost. He started the job at the same time as two other men. When he showed up on the first day, he found out there was some kind of hiring snafu, and his new boss didn't have the budget to keep these three new engineers like he thought. They were all laid off after just one day. The promise was, they'd probably have the budget to rehire these men in the new budget year, in a few months' time. Meanwhile, they could work the rest of the week and at least get paid for that.

The other two men were pissed -- understandably -- and just surfed the web all week and collected a check. Dave, otoh, put his best effort in that week. Honestly, I thought he was a bit of an over-earnest geek for doing that, but in the new budget year, the company hired him back immediately. They did not rehire the other two men.

Dave, who is pushing 50, is now making well into six figures at a great company, and is one of the most sought-after engineers in his state.

The bitterness over the current situation is understandable, but marinating in it will get you nothing. The fact is, there aren't enough women and H1Bs to fill every good position in the U.S. Most industries still need qualified American men. Do something; stand out. Or not. But then, as Vox said, what are the alternatives?

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 3:29 PM  

@65,

The resume is a dinosaur.

Someone looking at a resume and saying "hire that guy", is less likely than a baseball manager seeing someone in the stands catch a ball and saying "sign him up".

Spending too much time on your resume is a waste of valuable job hunting time.

By the time you had someone your resume, you should have already secured the interview and maybe even the job. Today, a resume is only needed so HR can check off a check box.

1) Your Linkedin profile should be your primary way of presenting yourself to the job world (this is why it should be strictly business).

2) You should have an elevator speech. Explain in 1 minute who you are, and why someone should hire you.

3) If you must have something to physically hand someone, have "job hunter" business cards made up that are basically your elevator speech on a card on one side; on the other side put your contact info and a link to your Linkedin profile.

To satisfy HR, create a SIMPLE, machine readable resume and put it online. Place a link to it on your Linkedin profile. If someone asks you for it, tell them they can go to your Linkedin profile and download it.

Getting hung up on creating a resume is a BIG, BIG job hunting mistake.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2017 3:30 PM  

By the way, Vox is being mentioned in a thread about smart Alt-Right thinkers. I had to chuckle at this one:

"I like Vox the most and respect his accomplishments immensely even though he's mixed race."

Anonymous patrick kelly September 01, 2017 3:35 PM  

Wow, thanks for all the info and help. Wish I'd posted about this before but most of the time its OT.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2017 3:36 PM  

I find LinkedIn's interface completely inscrutable, but I guess it works for people. I think I spent a couple hours there trying to figure out where, among all the other stuff they have spots for, your resume is supposed to go, before concluding that resumes aren't allowed. But yes, you can put it somewhere else and link to it.

Anonymous Anonymous September 01, 2017 3:36 PM  

"Look, we Generation Xers know what it is like to be prepared for one labor environment only to discover that all of one's preparation has proven to be useless and misguided and generally inapplicable. The situation is what it is. So, what are you going to do about it? Cry, complain, and give up? Or make your own way?"

I tell ya. It's a kick in the balls when you are geared for a career and it gets outsourced out from under you. Then you can't get back in because of the H1B wonders. I made the mistake of voting for GWB in 2000 thinking he would do something about that, because Clintonistas were making such a big deal about giving jobs to brown people. But under GWB nothing happened. As I should have expected. So after that I got to drive a cab, work construction, and other fun things. Actually the construction job was not so bad for all of that 9 bucks an hour I was making. But that parlayed into a machine shop job later for 9.50 an hour. Then after that a job programming machines that did SMT that earned 15 bucks an hour which was a big deal in the South in 2004.

Point is, you don't even have to me "Mr. Success" if you are just "out there" and you have better traits than the people around you, you will get ahead. On construction I got extra pay because unlike the brainless cogs surrounding me I learned how to read blueprints after 3 weeks (still much simpler than writing computer programs).

But let's be honest here: it's perhaps a God-send that so many gammas are jobless or under-careered. Why? Because if they were not they'd be just another divorced office cog paying more than half their big dollar office income to child support anyway. How many would be white-knighting un-wifeable material (being such gammas) if high-paying jobs were still being "given" to them?

That "system" we got booted out of thanks to HR and H1Bs was no Garden of Eden to begin with. Having to survive in "real" jobs, move up, sell yourself, it's all part of an "organism of game" that also makes you stop being a gamma. The "lucky" guys who got that all expense paid college trip and then the "job they deserved" when they got their degree are more beholden and enslaved than anybody outside looking in could fathom. I got screwed, and I'm glad I got screwed.

Blogger Dedd Sirius September 01, 2017 3:41 PM  

I make low six figures sitting around drinking coffee and writing emails. My career is a series of embarrassing failures.

This is why I believe in God. He basically takes care of me in spite of all my shortcomings. He turns my failures into successes.

Don't give up and die. Just give up and pray. (Works for me.)

Blogger RobertT September 01, 2017 3:45 PM  

The two biggest movers in this world are sales & persuasion. Sales & persuasion make the world go round. Nothing happens in any business without persuasion & sales. Salesmen should be more revered than CEOs. The funny thing is, they don't teach selling or persuasion in grammar school, nor in middle school, nor in high school and nor in college or trade school or reform school. Since, if you want to progress in life, you have to teach yourself anyway, what is wrong with "just get a job?"

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey September 01, 2017 3:46 PM  

"Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?"

Hey, they're all looking for someone who can "Think outside the box," right? That's thinking outside the box. No question.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 3:46 PM  

@85,

Your job history should ordered as a chronological resume. Each section should be terse and to the point, so someone looking at it can understand what you did quickly.

You may not like Linkedin, but HR and hiring managers love it. Even if they found you by some other means, they are likely to check your Linkedin profile (before they even read your resume).

The resume link has to go in the media links section. This is where links to other items (like your GitHub repository) should also go.

Blogger szopen September 01, 2017 3:51 PM  

Well, this won't be really serious but...

Go to POland. In Poznań unemployment is 2%. You do not have to have qualifications. You can offer "English conversations with native speaker", though some basic Polish would be probably required.

OK, actually it's a bit harder than that (the demand goes down every year unless you provide additional skills) but remember, you always CAN emigrate and seek greener pa$ture$ elsewhere. Think about that as last retort possibility. You always have options, start seeking jobs now, and if it fail, you can always just leave US.

https://www.nativespeaker.com.pl/job-center

Blogger Elmer Jones September 01, 2017 3:54 PM  

My blog is all about dealing with the situation and finding a workaround. Thanks for the traffic from your last post on this topic.

Blogger Apex_Predator September 01, 2017 3:54 PM  

I'm going to do a copypasta at the bottom from the original article, apologies in advance but it puts a bit more flesh and framework around my statement.

I will commend VD on one thing, he countenances thoughtful criticism and that is what keeps this place on my daily go to list. Others would have memory-holed my response in short order. What I'm not going to do is worry about all the speculative fiction I read above in the 80+ replies.

His assessment of "fresh out of college gamma" couldn't be farther off base however. (He and I are not terribly far apart in age, I'm a late Gen X'er myself) I suspect a huge part of that was its easy to pontificate and criticize w/ no solution. I ain't that guy. I had to craft my own solution and it is ahh... "controversial" but it seemed the only valid response to a system that was intent on destroying me.

And quite frankly, destroying many others like me who dare speak out of turn. The Derbs, Damores, etc. of the world will be silenced in the most extreme ways possible. I have walked many miles in those shoes.

I'd love to tell you my solution here but being that it delves squarely into legal gray areas that isn't going to happen, at least not with any specifics. Brighter bulbs will understand the methodology well enough.

I will only say this. Milk and extract every possible resource from Leviathan (big.gov) you can, and there is MUCH to be gotten from them.

While doing that, manipulate, cajole, subvert, obfuscate, etc. towards HR departments and any other pozzed gatekeepers, they surely deserve it. Craft a narrative and then create it out of whole cloth if you are savvy enough to do so. I can invent entire companies, references, contacts, etc. in short order.

What unemployment? What work gap? I have no idea what you mean Senator...

Caveat: This strategy may not work in ALL fields, I'm aware of this, but it will work in most. One of those very same guys I mentioned in #2 below had had enough of "pushin' the broom and studyin' the certs" and finally asked for help. I sent him on a trajectory like the one above and he got out of that hellish situation much sooner.

If you prefer the more "traditional" method? More power to you, I have no qualms about slicing up the rotting carcass of corporate America in any way possible and extracting my pound of flesh. That is what all the eternal victims and AA hires are doing. If you can't beat 'em..., and all that, innit?

Blogger Apex_Predator September 01, 2017 3:55 PM  

I could be making all of this up and lying and be a college grad gamma, so if that is your assessment and helps your in some way, carry on with your current orbit and plans, nothing to see here.

My original reply below--

"@171

"Guy calling himself "Apex_Predator" whines like typical gamma. News at 11."

Nice non-sequitur, I did no such thing. I simply said don't be a blithe retard and understand the optics, logistics, and be situationally aware.

Your time is far better spent gaming and manipulating the system to your advantage then pushing a fucking broom around Costco while you "study for more certs"

I stand by my original statement for a few reasons:

1) It is not mere conjecture, I had to live this unfortunate reality being "non-personed" John Derbyshire style, for speaking truth to power in front of some easily offended but highly connected brown folks.

2) I have at the least, anecdotal evidence, from people I know personally as well as from the interwebz of what I stated.

3) It is objective reality which sort of makes 1 and 2 irrelevant, but "mah proof"

Lastly, prior to me committing career suicide by daring to reference that same said objective reality, I was "living the dream" in many senses of the word. I am by VD's own definition VHIQ, I'm a "natural alpha" by common (or 'manosphere' if you prefer) definition, and was doing quite well financially as a high paid consultant.

Then I committed "the Derb" in my own circle and was nearly eradicated for it. C'est la vie. Had a period of depression as anyone would since I nearly lost my life and freedom in the process. (SWAT, lots of time in court, etc etc.)

So I had to move from being a good little play by the rules wage slave to something else. And I managed to do that, but by a very atypical route. I saw associates and acquaintances grinding it out and getting nowhere fast. Me? Survivor, game the very system that decided to destroy me, and do it quickly and efficiently. By VD's own admission the charismatic VHIQ type is masterful at this sort of thing, I'm no exception.

So I will stand by my moniker because what I endured would have completely consumed many lesser men. "

Blogger ChangYeeFong September 01, 2017 3:56 PM  

I've been reading Vox's blog ever since Puppygate. I have never ever felt a desire to comment chiefly because I am a Chinese living in Malaysia dealing with a totally different environment and situation from what Vox and most of you all are facing. Yet this post and the previous posts with similar vein Vox's advice is more than just spot on but need's to be repeated and showed again and again to so as many people as possible around the world.

Even though Malaysia is very very different from America what with being a so called moderate Islamic nation my experience and observations on the job market is exactly the same.

A little bit of background, before I moved back to Malaysia my family emigrated to Texas when I was very young. I grew up in Texas until my Teens when due to work I followed my parents to Singapore. I still had my American green card when I turned 18, and as a form of rebellion I enlisted in the USMC for 4 years. Afterwards my father and I made peace and I returned to Malaysia.

I am telling this story because I have a very good friend whom I have known since my teen whom I can use as a comparison as we have very similar origin points. But we diverged when I enlisted in the Corp. I came back and thank god for the professional military work ethic I gained after my discharge. He went to college and literally became a professional student for 13 years.

When I got back and started looking for jobs I can remember sending out 493 letters to different tech companies asking for a job within a 2 month period. While at the same time I worked as a cheap midnight security guard. Within 6 months I got a good tech job with a German software firm office in Malaysia.

Long story short 18 years later I've got a good sized house with no bank loans I've been married for over 10 years with 3 children. I've recently sold my gaming retail business for a good lump of change. The amount of capital I have in the Malaysian stock exchange is in the seven figures and I only just turned 40 this year.

My friend finally graduated with a MBA 8 years ago. He's only been working for the last 5 years it took him 3 years to finally get hired. He's still living with his parents. During the 3 years he was unemployed and living off his parents, I kept hearing the same complaint I have read from the guy whom Vox is talking about in the post.

- I can't get a job because the job market suck's
- You have no idea what it's like for guys like me looking for a job these days.
- Man it's no wonder I can't get a job right now, have you seen how many foreign workers is coming into our country.
- Yeah well it was easier to get an entry level job for you 18 years ago because etc etc etc ad infinitum.

We both had wealthy parents, we both have been educated overseas in western international schools. After he came back often times he would not send out his resume to job openings I sent him because he believed he would not fit in that job environment.

Vox is stating a truth, a rhetorical and logical truth about life which today too many people for many reasons is unwilling to grasp. It might be a painful truth but it is a truth which I can not only use my own life as comparable anecdotal evidence, but also have observed and cataloged in the business I just sold. There is no substitute for the correct work attitude.

Blogger Phat Repat September 01, 2017 4:02 PM  

Nope, you're on target. It's always noisy as you approach the end zone.

OT: Declare George Soros a terrorist and seize all of his related organizations' assets under RICO and NDAA law

Blogger Mastermind September 01, 2017 4:04 PM  

I'm a lazy, unmotivated, psychologically fragile Millennial and I still had a golden opportunity come up for me. I volunteered for the city, was given a job interview during that time, which another volunteer won, unfortunately, but I could have kept volunteering and asked about opportunities. I decided office work wasn't for me and went back to school, but if I had kept up with it I'd have eventually landed a full time position with good pay/benefits from which I would be almost impossible to dislodge. 99.99% of people who think there are no opportunities for them because of what the boomers did to their society aren't really trying at all. The loser mentality on the right is widespread and crippling. The fact is that if you're:

*Reasonably intelligent
*Honest with where you are and where you want to be
*Take at least some small steps to move forward
*Adjust when something isn't working

You can be successful, even in this world. Start with your mentality and work your way outward from there.

Blogger Demonic Professor El September 01, 2017 4:08 PM  

I understand both the big picture (outsourcing, H1Bs, illegals, etc.) and the little picture.

The overall thing we have to get from this is not "give up" or "get a job!" necessarily -

- It's to not stop doing and making regardless of what the "big picture" holds.

We have to make our own businesses and systems. If you're a contractor, instead of competing with the Home Depot layabouts, move out of CA, NY, IL and to IN, MI, or OH and be an LLC. Hire a couple trusted guys and compete with the illegals.

Got a farm in Iowa? Hire local kids as 1099'ers, not illegals.

In the US for jobs, basically avoid New England and the Left Coast, along with Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa. That leaves you 35 states, many of them low-tax and with decent business taxes and deductions.

Overall though, the idea is to not stop investing in yourself. Learn something from that crappy job and bring it to a good job, or your own business.

Look at what the Alt-Right mentality has accomplished already, really, by creating systems and networks outside of the mainstream. Sure, we may not get the jobs of some crony millionaires who want to hire Somalians for five bucks an hour.

But the whole idea of the "Alt" is to make our own anti-fragile systems. It's a tough slog, and maybe only so-so legal anymore, but we've got to do it.

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 4:10 PM  

"So I will stand by my moniker because what I endured would have completely consumed many lesser men."

So instead of "Secret King" you're "Secret Ivan Throne"?

Sure.

The problem with this is that, even if you're exactly what you say you are, nobody has any reason to believe you. Vox has a track record of accuracy and honesty. You have nothing. Why should anyone believe you?

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 01, 2017 4:13 PM  

Ezekiel wrote:Worst case scenario? Find out where the illegals and work parole people work in your area, and take a temp job there. Lumber yards and plant nurseries and the like, usually.

These places tend to have a very high turnover rate, they will take ANYONE who fills out an application and if you're not the kind to regularly show up drunk or stoned then you'll probably a full time position doing QC. It's not something you would want to do long-term, but if you can survive the wages, the work and the workforce then once you get something better you'll walk away from it knowing that you can handle pretty much any form of employment in the world.

Say, isn't the cranberry harvest on up in New England right now?


This kind of thing is fine if you are young, have no family to care for and its local to you. Otherwise its a non starter as these jobs pay nothing to speak of and you can't meet even the basic bills on them.

That said if you are working like this ands can get food stamps or any legal benefits on the side, you should get them. It might be enough to scape by

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 4:17 PM  

Gotta get out of the blue states, Prosper. Cost of living is insane in most of them. Search up a city-to-city comparison. You're looking at 60 cents on the dollar.

Anonymous HashamiteSandwich September 01, 2017 4:20 PM  

If you fake convert to Islam (all you have to do is learn the opening prayer [al-fatiha], start the narrative with a few comments (it will spread like wildfire), put something on your resume, like giving to CAIR or something), you will be hired. I have a friend who has done it for years, and they treat him like a minority (even aware that he is totally white). He has stopped SJWs in their tracks, been given preferential and deferential treatment everywhere.

Blogger Demonic Professor El September 01, 2017 4:25 PM  

@102 HashamiteSandwich

There's also gaming the system :) Take the money and jobs that should be yours anyway.

And with all the trans stuff now, it's even easier!!!!

Blogger ChangYeeFong September 01, 2017 4:28 PM  

Do you guys think pretending to be gay would also help in progressive companies like Google?

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 01, 2017 4:37 PM  

szopen wrote

Well, this won't be really serious but...

Go to POland. In Poznań unemployment is 2%. You do not have to have qualifications. You can offer "English conversations with native speaker", though some basic Polish would be probably required.

OK, actually it's a bit harder than that (the demand goes down every year unless you provide additional skills) but remember, you always CAN emigrate and seek greener pa$ture$ elsewhere. Think about that as last retort possibility. You always have options, start seeking jobs now, and if it fail, you can always just leave US.

SNIP info


I know its not serious but if the unemployment rates are so low why are so many Poles expatriated and why is, in a high Christian country to fertility late at extinction level?

Methinks that the government there is not shall we say using the most accurate figures

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2017 4:39 PM  

Go to POland.

If I were 20 years younger, I'd seriously consider it. Of course, they have an immigration policy, so you can't just walk in. But as I understand it, it's fairly easy to get in if you can teach English, though the pay is poor. But if you could do coding or something on the side while living there around all those Polish girls....

Do you guys think pretending to be gay would also help in progressive companies like Google?

I'm sure it would help, but could you do that? It wouldn't be enough to tell the recruiter you're gay. You'd have to put on the whole act, and pretty soon the gays and trannies would be propositioning you, and you'd have to put out or be discovered and purged. Seems unpleasant and pointless.

Blogger Quadko September 01, 2017 4:46 PM  

@38 90 Million unemployeed...not enough jobs
No one can create 90 million jobs, this is why centralized control over citizens ends in starvation and murder. But 90 million people can each create their own single job (business, income stream); that's how civilization is built from the howling wilderness.

What's holding them back, and what can we do to actually help that happen? Those are the real questions. So many topics can be covered in those answers, but one thing we could do is to stop our schools teaching people to just be factory workers looking to someone else for "a job to get money".

Blogger Apex_Predator September 01, 2017 4:47 PM  

@99

I feel like we are not communicating...

"You have nothing. Why should anyone believe you?"

Read what I wrote again, more slowly this time:

"I could be making all of this up and lying and be a college grad gamma, so if that is your assessment and helps your in some way, carry on with your current orbit and plans, nothing to see here."

I'm not here to assuage your cognitive dissonance. I'm simply offering a counter perspective from someone that has walked through this horrendous situation before.

This is what grown ups do. They debate. If this bothers you? IDGAF go hang out with the SJW kids who cannot stand to hear outside opinion. Your belief or lack thereof, is about as relevant to me as the current weather forecast for the surface of Mars.

More clear now?

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 4:51 PM  

Did you forget the part in your original response where you said the advice was "extremely fucking stupid"? I'm pointing out that, in judging whom to believe, Vox is holding all the cards. You're not offering a "counter perspective". You're quite literally stringing together a bunch of meaningless buzzwords with no details and no method that anyone can assess.

In short, it doesn't even matter if you're wrong because you aren't offering above or an example to follow, you're just claiming that VD is wrong on the basis of your personal (wholely unverifiable) anecdote that doesn't actually apply.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 01, 2017 4:52 PM  

these thread have been greatly helpful. Thanks much.

CM wrote:Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?

Personally, I'm a fan of this solution.


This has happened though to bigger fish in France and Italy. Its not been that effective and ignoring the ill advised and illegal nature of same it wouldn't be unless its on a really large scale

Sharrukin wrote:Around 90 million people out of the workforce.

Even if you magically reduce that number to 30 million, there aren't jobs for most of them.


Quite true. American society is as rigid and unable to adjust to new situations and pre revolution France and headed roughly in the same direction anyway. We've kind of managed to squeak through with the wealth bubble from WW2 but that's over and the US is almost certainly not going to survive it anyway

As for solutions, short term to medium term (the couple of decades till BOOM) you and yours term really the advice here is sound.

In the bigger picture if we are to make it through or recover the US will have to become more homogeneous in whatever form it takes and use some combination of autraky and control of technology or social democracy and distributism in order to have a 1st world economy

Not Communism which will always fail , but a market society designed to smooth the wealth distribution curve regardless of people "deserving" it

These will probably have to be imposed by force though ,

the Left might tolerate the it the the Right have the mentality of an ISIS suicide bomber when it comes to serious economic change that would reduce poverty for the working and middle , the Ayn Rand Jihad and the Liberty-Tards are the biggest issue we face on those grounds

Otherwise civil war or Brazil 2.0 or both

Blogger ChangYeeFong September 01, 2017 4:52 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Go to POland.



I'm sure it would help, but could you do that? It wouldn't be enough to tell the recruiter you're gay. You'd have to put on the whole act, and pretty soon the gays and trannies would be propositioning you, and you'd have to put out or be discovered and purged. Seems unpleasant and pointless.


If I was 18 years younger and job hunting in America at this present moment I would consider it. I do have conservative gay friends whom I can use to help me out in those tight situation you just described.

I agree it is unpleasant.

I am just talking about an entry level or near entry level job in these companies. If I can get good money and position yes, but I would never once think the job is permanent. I'm just using it to get the contacts, the experience and the connections for the next albeit better job, or save up the money to go on my own.

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 4:52 PM  

*offering advice

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 4:56 PM  

I have to seriously question the heterosexuality of any "man" who would pretend to be gay to get a job.

Blogger ChangYeeFong September 01, 2017 5:03 PM  

S1AL wrote:I have to seriously question the heterosexuality of any "man" who would pretend to be gay to get a job.

Fair enough. But remember where I live. I'm a chink living in a so called Moderate Modern Muslim country, and you should watch some of the new Hong Kong sitcoms. Recently I saw an episode where a guy pretended to be a women to rent the apartment somebody was renting out because they only accepted female only tenants.

Blogger szopen September 01, 2017 5:03 PM  

@105 AB Prosper

2% is a figure for Poznań. Actually below 2%. For whole Poland, is 4.8%. Generally, this figure I consider rather reliable. I know different kind of people, plus I am just finishing building a house, and all of the enterpreneurs I know talk about how hard it is to hire a decent worker, and that they even have to hire people who normally would not be hired. Two millions of Ukrainians are supposedly in Poland now, all working.

BTW the partial reason why unemployment is so low is because so many Poles left, that's true.

Many Poles left because when you look at salaries in say UK, and compare them to the salaries in Poland you tend to be awed. Median salary in Poland is mere 2650PLN, that is 1749 after taxes, meaning 485 USD. Of course, everything is cheaper, but it's still attracts a lot of people who think "i will go to UK, stay there for few years and then I will return with a bunch of money".
For some specialists of course they can earn WAAAY more in the west than in Poland.

Another reasons is that lot of Poles left when our economy was in much worse shape. After entering UE, our GDP per capita almost doubled. Just look at this graph I have googled, number of immigrants (total) from Poland. You can see that there was sharp rise after entering UE and then it's pretty much stagnant. Moreover, there are a lot of Poles who depart for few months, and then they return.

Another reason is, quite frankly, there is still a lot to be desired in Poland, There is still a lot of regulations, shitty beaureacracy (I hate this word), and shitty healthcare where you have to wait half a year to get to a specialist.

And another reason is that the training by first communist and then 25 rules by colonial elites brainwashed many people to treat our own country as a hellhole. A lot of youngsters were saying "this country" instead of "my country". A lot of people seem to have masochistic joy out of spitting on our own fatherland, enjoying every mistake, lost battle, or misstep.

As for the fertility: that's true.

http://2016-wroclaw-culture.com/total_fertility_rate_Poland_1950_2014_total_urban_rural_areas_post_war_compensatory_fertility_last_chance_for_Europe_2_1_threshold_of_sub_replacement_fertility.jpg

We are basically dying out. I have no answer why. The crisis in 1989/early 90s is not the answer; usually in polls people are pointing the hard economic situation. I do not think this is the truth. The answer might be the family model propagated by TV; I do not mean "propagated" as in "propaganda", rather, the family model which is shown in numerous movies, series and so on. It's almost constantly 2+1, rarely 2+2. My wife is a devout catholic (raised in a countryside, to that), and yet we have only two kids; first two years after the marriage, and then we waited four years "to make sure we can afford second child".

Our demography is an absolute disaster. The leaving of thousands of the youth makes it even worse. I know we will hit the wall within few decades. The catastrophe could be avoided fifteen years ago; I read the analyses, but seemingly not the politicians and now it's too late.

But this was about chances for American to find a job in Poland, not about Poland's situation, right?

Blogger szopen September 01, 2017 5:07 PM  

Damn, somehow the link for the number of emigrants from Poland disappeared.

http://silverhand.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1.jpg

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 01, 2017 5:08 PM  

Yes Vox, give up and die.

Here's the reality, while there are jobs that one can stump for, and one can work towards.... 95 million working age Americans do not do taxed work.

As a gen-xer, you'll be seen with annoyance, not pure, seething, hatred as is reserved for Baby Boomers when you suggest how to get and work toward a good job.

Here is the reality though, automation and AI are going to rapidly replace 90% of jobs in the next 10 years. This was something Andrew Anglin on his Daily Stormer constantly talked about and provided many examples to back himself up (such as a Chinese factory replacing 25,000 workers with robots).

The Millenials and the Zyklon-B generations already know we are going into the "Georgia Guidestone" NWO nightmare scenario. The vast majority of humanity can never hope to match up.

Hence, the goyim will wither away while the (((elite))) play.

Blogger rycamor September 01, 2017 5:09 PM  

@Cantostop,

Understood, and keep at it. Confidence is king. WARRANTED Confidence is unstoppable. Work hard on the warranted part.

Blogger Ruffin Stirling September 01, 2017 5:12 PM  

Someone at work (sales) wrote opportunityisnowhere on the board. You read either, "Opportunity is nowhere," or, "Opportunity is now here." It is a choice, at least to some extent.

Anonymous Anonymous September 01, 2017 5:13 PM  

"S1AL wrote:I have to seriously question the heterosexuality of any "man" who would pretend to be gay to get a job.'

Don't laugh. I know of several cases of younger fellows pulling a trans ruse just to get high-paying office jobs. You might think this is some great leap, right? So would I.

But the standards for "trans" are so low that all a fellow has to do is declare it. Don't even need to shave. We're all one checkbox away from "F**king white maaaaaaale!!" to "Pure Innocent exalted wonderful heroic victim". It's ludicrous but effective for these guys who are laughing all the way to the bank, are left alone in their private lives otherwise, and will after getting tired of this rat race run off with the money.

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 5:15 PM  

"You might think this is some great leap, right? So would I."

The questioning is because of the willingness, not the ability.

Anonymous Grayman September 01, 2017 5:20 PM  

@117

The Millenials and the Zyklon-B generations already know we are going into the "Georgia Guidestone" NWO nightmare scenario. The vast majority of humanity can never hope to match up.

If we do see the breakdown of highly connected globalism and the ascendancy of nationalism, then the AI automation nightmare do not come to pass. Extreme automation and AI only make financial sense at very large scales. If economies become disconnected and more local there is a point at which automation becomes self limiting.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 01, 2017 5:22 PM  


Hey, listen up, all you guys that are angry at Vox for posting what he did.
It was directed at me. I'm not angry. Why should I be? What did Vox say that should make me angry?
He said I was being an asshole, and a downer and it was probably showing through in my job search.
That sounds to me like he's offering advice. It's not bad advice, and I've already improved my attitude thanks to his headslap.

As far as taking any job at all, I just submitted my application to Home Depot. Why? Because I'll be out of money by Halloween unless I get an income.

If his post made you angry you need to adjust your attitude too.

I don't let my wife be embarrassed for me, I sure as hell am not going to let complete strangers be angry on my behalf.

Blogger szopen September 01, 2017 5:25 PM  

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Blogger rycamor September 01, 2017 5:26 PM  

AB.Prosper wrote:
Quite true. American society is as rigid and unable to adjust to new situations and pre revolution France and headed roughly in the same direction anyway.


Please. It is nothing of the kind. What we are seeing is failure of the big-business model for an economy that was established in the 1950s. That's the only rigidity. As I said above, there are literally millions of smaller businesses in the country, and there is an incredible amount of flexibility. More so than ever, really.

We may be headed towards revolution but for entirely different reasons.

Takin' a Look wrote:Yes Vox, give up and die.

Here's the reality, while there are jobs that one can stump for, and one can work towards.... 95 million working age Americans do not do taxed work.



People will still have money to spend. And in fact, one can make a decent living "not doing taxed work". There are always houses that need to be painted, cleaned, etc... and a huge percentage of people doing that work do it off the books. Sure, it's low-paying but if you keep it off the books, the money is yours.



Here is the reality though, automation and AI are going to rapidly replace 90% of jobs in the next 10 years.



Andrew Anglin, noted economic analyst, got it.

Robotics has potential to replace a 50% of the CURRENT jobs within 50 years. That's me being extremely optimistic.

And with all that displacement and disruption, tons of new jobs and industries will be created. And people will have money to spend. Learn where that money is going and get you some. The information is available for free these days.

Or better yet, just give up and die, so my teenage kids don't have to support you when they enter the economy.

Blogger szopen September 01, 2017 5:27 PM  

Snidely, it was long time someone's post would make me this emotional. I wish you all the best from all my heart and if you ever be in Poznań, I would be honoured to drink with you.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2017 5:33 PM  

Again, good on you, Snidely.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 01, 2017 5:33 PM  

S1AL wrote:"So I will stand by my moniker because what I endured would have completely consumed many lesser men."

So instead of "Secret King" you're "Secret Ivan Throne"?

You actually read his drivel?

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 01, 2017 5:35 PM  

@Snidely

I'm annoyed, as in rolling my eyes annoyed, Vox is far more well read than most of us and has common sense.

@rycamor

Yes, Anglin is an economics wizard compared to the crap the think tanks and Ivy leagues vomit out these days, that's a feature, not a bug on the latter.

We are rapidly approaching another "tragedy of the commons" era writ globally, I'm glad you've got a firm foundation, billions of others will not and the results are going to be quite interesting.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy September 01, 2017 5:35 PM  

From what I can tell representing businesses, half the office jobs can be zeroed out tomorrow if they would quit changing the TPS reports and have some normal procedures to follow. That would mean allowing the other half authority to make decisions and hiring people with the ability.

Lawyers who are not IP or actual court appearing litigation are about to be out of work. Discovery, contract review, and basic rights are literally 5 years away from being automated with Indian "lawyers" filling in the gaps at $10 an hour.

Drivers are maybe 10 years from being 75% out of work, unless lawyers convince the Congress not to protect the autodriving companies (fat chance, I predict a federal law akin to immunity this session or next).

Fast food will get rid of 3/4 of their people within 5 years, replaced by phone ordering and automated food prep.

How long will we need engineers at the current rate, as opposed to a few experts checking the results of expert systems?

Soon the job market will be a few skilled building and machine trades supervising a cloud of illegals for one off jobs, and a few lawyers, accountants, and engineers checking the answers of expert systems.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 01, 2017 5:39 PM  

I would be honoured to drink with you.
And I you. Na zdrowie!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 01, 2017 5:44 PM  

@120 Doktorjeep
Don't laugh. I know of several cases of younger fellows pulling a trans ruse just to get high-paying office jobs. You might think this is some great leap, right? So would I.

S1AL's not going to get that, though. Most people who already can check off a box or three don't like the idea of whitemales getting in on the game. Plus there's that whole bit of "REAL men wouldn't" combined with the virtual sniff and hair toss.

There's a fair amount of money to be made off of the special women-only programs. Sooner or later some guys will apply for 8A contracts and SBA woman-only loans, checking "female' on all the forms. A dress in the closet for interviews is all that's needed, right? Cali would be the perfect place for this. Should make for some interesting lawsuits.

Note: This is not career advice.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 5:53 PM  

There's just something about the whole 'I'm a VHIQ/UHIQ who can't find a job/I have no idea what to do/there are no options' narrative that just doesn't wash.

I wonder what that might be.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 01, 2017 5:54 PM  

"I like Vox the most and respect his accomplishments immensely even though he's mixed race."

I'm dying here. Pretty sure I ruptured something laughing ... poor Vox and his genetic disadvantages ...

Also, Vox, you picked the right guy to slap. Snidely, a toast to you, good sir. Your response has been freakin' note perfect. This has been a great week.

Blogger James September 01, 2017 5:56 PM  

"he does not understand the distinction between corporate paper-pushing and actual work." You're right, VD, he doesn't get it, and most people don't, because they too corporatized and bureaucratized and mesmerized into accepting the conventional view of what employment is about. Most people think like drones because that is what they think is desired as employees, and often they are correct, but there are exceptions. And those exceptions are the opportunities of which you speak, I believe.

Anonymous Anonymous September 01, 2017 5:58 PM  

"Snidely, a toast to you, good sir. Your response has been freakin' note perfect."

I have to agree. Snidely's last post (just before this one) was that of a man with his head and heart in the right place. I was impressed and my estimation of the man went up several notches.

Good on you Snidely.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy September 01, 2017 6:06 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:@120 Doktorjeep

Don't laugh. I know of several cases of younger fellows pulling a trans ruse just to get high-paying office jobs. You might think this is some great leap, right? So would I.

S1AL's not going to get that, though. Most people who already can check off a box or three don't like the idea of whitemales getting in on the game. Plus there's that whole bit of "REAL men wouldn't" combined with the virtual sniff and hair toss.

There's a fair amount of money to be made off of the special women-only programs. Sooner or later some guys will apply for 8A contracts and SBA woman-only loans, checking "female' on all the forms. A dress in the closet for interviews is all that's needed, right? Cali would be the perfect place for this. Should make for some interesting lawsuits.

Note: This is not career advice.


Back before the great crash about 1/5th of my law practice was setting up questionable minority businesses that really weren't, just a Black guy getting a taste while the money went to the usual contractors. The easy ones were for local units of government and their set asides.

More difficult were state set asides, then large corporations. Even back then the big guys, the GMs, Walmarts, Dow Chemicals, required National Minority Business Development Council certs, which were tough but you could get around them. You really couldn't fool the feds, they have nothing but time and really checked.

Post crash the big corps really cut back on the slush in their set asides, no more paying 50% over just for a Black face pretending to be the owner while he contracts out the actual work to the usual supplier. The NMBDC also tightened up and started checking as hard as the feds.

Anonymous Anonymous September 01, 2017 6:10 PM  

At the beginning of the Housing Crash, a small business woman in my Toastmasters Club arrived at the meeting wearing a badge that said,

"I Refuse to Participate in this Recession".

It is a sign of the quality of this club's members that everyone (about 35 people, mostly business people) thought this was a truly inspiring sentiment. Over the next couple of months many of them used that phrase when speaking about the struggles of their businesses. It's nine years later and I'm not aware that any of these business people lost their jobs or their businesses. Several, in fact, made amazing financial advances.

Your question is the right one: So what ELSE are you going to do? Sit in your own excrement in your parent's basement, whining and crying about how life is being mean to you?

Life is not like episodic television, where, at some appropriate denouement, all action ceases and you get to go home. Life doesn't stop until you're dead. After the horror of today comes tomorrow. And no one has any idea what tomorrow may bring.

So grow up! Put on your Big Boy Panties and tackle each day with all the courage you can muster.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 6:15 PM  

@123 As far as taking any job at all, I just submitted my application to Home Depot. Why? Because I'll be out of money by Halloween unless I get an income.

If push comes to shove, will you take the welfare?

Just like to know who everybody is.

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 6:15 PM  

@Snidely - I read the description. I'm very much not the target audience for Throne's stuff, but it's the exact same vibe without the proof or examples.

@Paradigm - There's a difference between "getting it" and "approving of it". I couldn't look at a mirror after stooping to that. If you can, that's your business. And bonus points for the underhanded dismissal based on the notion that I'm anything other than "straight, white, and male". Next time just come out and say it, yeah?

@Lawyer Guy - Wait, you mean to tell me that people who aren't black engage in nepotism? This is shocking. Shocking, I tell you. I'm going to have to completely reexamine (insert white ethnic group here). /s

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 01, 2017 6:35 PM  

S1AL wrote:I read the description. I'm very much not the target audience for Throne's stuff, but it's the exact same vibe without the proof or examples.
No, I meant Alpha_Pedo or whatever his name is up there.
I don't care for Ivan's "how to be a psychopath like me" stuff either.

Blogger tz September 01, 2017 6:41 PM  

I think part of the effect paralles the larger move from actual engineering to financial engineering.
Who needs to make something real when you can just do some ABS, CDO, or some other derivative of a derivative on something the creature from Jekyll island can't remove as a parasite which makes billions?

Mike Roe says go blue collar, I agree.

Beyond that, the tech giants are being propped up.

You just need to get through this. They will need minds to do real things afterward.

Blogger Lance E September 01, 2017 6:43 PM  

Complaining about a situation whilst being disinterested in practical solutions is a very feminine trait. "I don't want advice, just sympathy!"

Yes, the system is broken. Yes, the system is unfair. Yes, we need to change it. No, that does not mean we can all give up and passively wait for a solution, or worse, become social parasites ourselves. That only guarantees the worst-case outcome.

Social commentary and career advice are separate fields of discussion - or at least they should be.

Anonymous RA September 01, 2017 6:51 PM  

Have to be prepared sometimes to humble yourself and get into a trade. Difficult? Yes, but sometimes it's either that or Walmart/Home Depot.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 01, 2017 6:54 PM  

@140 S1AL
@Paradigm - There's a difference between "getting it" and "approving of it".

You don't get it, and no one cares if you approve of it. No one's asking you to do anything.

I couldn't look at a mirror after stooping to that.

No one asked you to do anything, and no one cares how you put your makeup on.

If you can, that's your business. And bonus points for the underhanded dismissal based on the notion that I'm anything other than "straight, white, and male". Next time just come out and say it, yeah?

If you're not a girl pushing 30 you've been doing a very good imitation for a while.

Blogger Thucydides September 01, 2017 6:58 PM  

The world view of these people is just astonishing. What ever happened to:

"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"

"I have not yet begun to fight"

"Molon Labe"

or the other great sayings and acts of defiance throughout the ages?

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 7:04 PM  

Paradigm - I knew you really love complaining about me... the fact you think I'm a woman makes that a whole different kind of weird.

Now run along and pretend to be a woman to get a job working for the corporations you hate SO MUCH.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2017 7:08 PM  

@36 I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are.

"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is always sound advice. Unless it's being given to you by a Boomer.

This is what getting advice from a Boomertard is like.

Get a pair of galoshes two sizes too big. Put your feet in them, then have someone pour wet cement into them. Cut the straps off. Have someone put medical splints on your thumbs and tape them down real good. Have your fingers taped up like for boxing. Put your hands in front of you and get handcuffed. Then have a Boomertard yell in one ear "JUST DO IT! PULL YOURSELF UP! WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE IT WAS EASY!".

When you try to get your feet out of the cement another Boomertard yells in your other ear "GALOSHES WITH CEMENT ARE THE KEY TO A GOOD CAREER! YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM ON!" and the same if you try to get your hands out of the cuffs, "EVERYONE WEARS HANDCUFFS IF THEY WANT TO GET ANYWHERE!".

Boomertard advice is like that. Only it goes on for years.

For the college experience do all that plus hire a fat Xr lesbian to stand in front of you screaming RAPIST! RAPIST! RAAAAAPIST! while she kicks you in the nads, and "ABUSER! ABUSER" while she pops you in the face.

The Millennials and Z's who get going in spite of this stuff? They're gonna be awesome.

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 7:08 PM  

@Snidely - Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I have a bad habit of reading everything if I read anything in the thread. I appreciate that Throne has value but... I can't help but laugh every time I see the words "living manual of power" outside of an RPG setting.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 01, 2017 7:13 PM  

@147 S1AL
Paradigm - I knew you really love complaining about me...

Don't flatter yourself, it's just that sometimes you get in the way of real discourse when you try to look smart.

the fact you think I'm a woman makes that a whole different kind of weird.

You choose your own words, I'm just reading them. If you're not a female around 30, you've been doing a good imitation for a while. Do you even lift, sis?

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 01, 2017 7:17 PM  

szopen wrote:


But this was about chances for American to find a job in Poland, not about Poland's situation, right?


It certainly was though I'm a curious sort. I've studied a spot of of your history and come to admire the Polish people in many respects

I wish Poland well and a swift recovery.

Blogger James September 01, 2017 7:18 PM  

"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
"I have not yet begun to fight"
"Molon Labe"

Now it's more like, "He who fights and runs away, lives to run another day."

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2017 7:18 PM  

@146
The world view of these people is just astonishing. What ever happened to:

All that racist deadwhitemale stuff is gone from public school. It's gone from a lot of Christian schools too. If nobody ever taught you about those things, but instead taught you that cooperation and consensus are the most important things, how would you be doing? Home schooling isn't a luxury. It's necessity.

Blogger Ezekiel September 01, 2017 7:20 PM  

AB.Prosper wrote:Ezekiel wrote:Worst case scenario? Find out where the illegals and work parole people work in your area, and take a temp job there. Lumber yards and plant nurseries and the like, usually.

These places tend to have a very high turnover rate, they will take ANYONE who fills out an application and if you're not the kind to regularly show up drunk or stoned then you'll probably a full time position doing QC. It's not something you would want to do long-term, but if you can survive the wages, the work and the workforce then once you get something better you'll walk away from it knowing that you can handle pretty much any form of employment in the world.

Say, isn't the cranberry harvest on up in New England right now?


This kind of thing is fine if you are young, have no family to care for and its local to you. Otherwise its a non starter as these jobs pay nothing to speak of and you can't meet even the basic bills on them.

That said if you are working like this ands can get food stamps or any legal benefits on the side, you should get them. It might be enough to scape by

I didn't say it would be easy (easier than what I was doing before of course; living in a dugout in the woods and eating out of dumpsters) but you can generally do pretty good on 10$ an hour in Alabama, and I suspect you can elsewhere or else no one would be doing it. I was helping raise my niece at the time, but all in all it wasn't that bad and only occasionally did my family have to eat out of dumpsters.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 7:21 PM  

The Millennials and Z's who get going in spite of this stuff? They're gonna be awesome.

lol, right? Suffering can be the ultimate character builder.

________________

Got character? Well, young bucks, you've got everything you'll ever need.

And remember: For everything -- no caveats -- there is a time.


Blogger LP9 September 01, 2017 7:24 PM  

God bless you and God bless everyone here; "But I refuse to be defeated by the economy, by the Godless, by feral hypergamy, by ubiquitous obesity, by insane HR cunts, by my own mistakes. I am a man. I stand defiant in these insane times. So STFU, get up, go look for a job, or try to get a better job. Be a man of the West and stand for something."

Awesome!!!

It is a tough road but we all can make it, its my prayer, my joy or contentment in a refusal of defeat, confusions, distractions that within time, within journeys we all make it well.

Is Vox doing a peri on this?

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 01, 2017 7:25 PM  

rycamor wrote:

Quite true. American society is as rigid and unable to adjust to new situations and pre revolution France and headed roughly in the same direction anyway.


Please. It is nothing of the kind. What we are seeing is failure of the big-business model for an economy that was established in the 1950s. That's the only rigidity. As I said above, there are literally millions of smaller businesses in the country, and there is an incredible amount of flexibility. More so than ever, really.


We actually basically agree at least in the long term, economies of scale aka Big Business is strangling the economy although in my experience larger firms often have much better pay and benefits than smaller ones and better work conditions as well ,

Regardless the magical robust small business hasn't done anything to reverse wage arbitrage or to dry up the pool of what 95 million out of the work force or if it has, its not enough for a robust economy

In the long run, whatever is left of the US will be propelled forward by smaller enterprise but that is the very definition of collapse , simply scale can no longer be maintained

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2017 7:30 PM  

@ Thucydides and others:

"Molon labe", etc.

Try this. Talk to high school guys. Ask them if they've ever heard of Sojourner Truth. Ask them if they've heard of Daniel Boone. See which one they even know about. Which one have they been taught about their whole lives?

Ask the AP students what the diff is between Martin Luther and Martin Luther King. Unless they are rednecks they probably won't have a clue what "Molon Labe" means, either.

Remember most of their teachers are libtard Xrs with some Boomertards nearing retirement. Maybe a few older Millennials, also libtards mostly. There's more than one red pill. Feed truth to every young person around you.

Anonymous AB.Prosper September 01, 2017 7:31 PM  

Ezekiel wrote:I didn't say it would be easy (easier than what I was doing before of course; living in a dugout in the woods and eating out of dumpsters) but you can generally do pretty good on 10$ an hour in Alabama, and I suspect you can elsewhere or else no one would be doing it. I was helping raise my niece at the time, but all in all it wasn't that bad and only occasionally did my family have to eat out of dumpsters.

I hope the above is sarcasm.

So somewhat destitute,just not utterly destitute. Great bootstrapping there !

A pro tip, anyone eating from a dumpster other than one of those "free food" cranks is functionally as destitute as someone in the 3rd world .

It should never happen period and kept up for long is a great way to make more Reds

Right now they are too busy on Cultural Marxism to be a threat but that can change and Reds are very good at mass killing uncooperative people.

Anonymous Hispania4ever September 01, 2017 7:34 PM  

Anyone who has ANY Spanish descent can claim "Hispanic" on any job application. Hispanic DOES include Spain under OPM's definition and in fact, during National Hispanic Heritage month, you will find Cortez (you read that right) and Picasso honored, both of whom were from Spain.

And like people are saying about the trans issue, if anyone questions you about being Hispanic, you have the same response, frankly millions Hispanics (and Latinos for that matter) have: "What, do you think we ALL speak Spanish?" "What, do you think we all look alike, or are "brown"...sheesh (shaking head) we come in ALL shapes and colors and rich cultures...gosh...It's the CURRENT YEAR..."

Blogger S1AL September 01, 2017 7:40 PM  

Heh. Keep on sniping, Para. I hope it makes up for the testicles you gave up for The Man.

Anonymous View September 01, 2017 7:46 PM  

In my early 30s after quiting a 52000 per year job bc i was fed up with the 1.5 hour commute i found myself unwmployed and minimally employed for about 10 years. In the begining i didnt lije when they would ask me on applications what my ethnicity was and whether i served in the military i developed a grudge against minorities and a little bit against the military too but i found that the whole experience caused me to bust my ass harder and harder over the ten year period and i have become a damn skillful intelligent and extremely hard worker and i now have a lot of confidence that I can do just about any job and do it well and i have been slowly making more money and i dont have grudges against minorities or the military any more i believe God is fair and just and in control of everything and no one is getting away with anything.

Blogger MLGunner September 01, 2017 8:05 PM  

Here is a little story for you lot.
My grandparents raised me, they were survivors and lived through the worst economy in US history, arguably worse than now. They kept their family together, moving across the country searching for work, food, and shelter things we tend to take for granted.
The food and shelter thing, most of us have never experienced that lack, yet. But for the most part, their values were passed on to me.
The fact is, you DO whatever it takes to keep your family ALIVE.
If that "whatever" means digging a ditch in a road gang when you are a "Rhodes Scholar", working at temporary labor jobs when you have an MBA, or making up a "job" by selling sea shells at the sea shore, you just DO it.
Quit complaining, get off of your ass, do something constructive that earns cash to put food on your table. There is nothing beneath your "dignity". You're not the f'ng queen of England, so shut up and clean that damn toilet. It won't clean itself.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 8:06 PM  

Got character? Well, young bucks, you've got everything you'll ever need.

And as a re-read that, my mistake dawns on me: You young men that will carry forth deserve specifics.

As regards making money; off the top of my head:

(the following assumes you are already man enough to realize that your education may in fact be worthless; and, that everything you've been taught from the cradle on about what makes a man 'special' is, at the very least, suspect):

1.) Live in a transient area? I.e. a 'second home' area? (e.g. Florida, certain parts of New England, the Great Lakes, No Cal, Etc.): Start a mobile auto detailing service; advertise via AdWords. Shut the marketing off when you fill your week; turn it back on when you need business. Get all of your visage needs fulfilled via Vista Print; give free micro-fiber cloths to your clients that have your business name and number on them.

2.) This blog draws the technically savvy so this one might appeal more: Research Internet micro-niches and which of those offer a high yield vs. minimum effort/investment. Example: logo design. Piece together 4 or 5 of these profitable Internet micro-niches and you're making $200K/year.

Want more? You're a fag. Fack off and die.

Anonymous BBGKB September 01, 2017 8:11 PM  

Snidely if you don't have a criminal record stop by the HR of a nice white hospital and see if there at any jobs you might be willing to take, might be nicer to be a clerk than work home depot. There are places that will still pay employees to take nursing courses even for older employees.

Crime? Welfare? Suicide? More education? Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?

I didn't suggest it before but you could get HIV on purpose to get SS disability, or go to one of the brown doctor disability mills.

understand the distinction between corporate paper-pushing and actual work."

See rage in women's eyes during discussions of meeting time not counting toward overtime.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2017 8:15 PM  

> ...when it comes to serious economic change that would reduce poverty for the working and middle

All that would take would be a return to a limited federal government (with the resultant tax cuts) and sound money. No other changes required.

Blogger MLGunner September 01, 2017 8:15 PM  

@AB.Prosper
People in the USA waste food horribly. I don't mean they don't eat all their vegetables. I mean supermarkets throw away tons of edible food. You can eat pretty good picking out of a Whole Foods dumpster, or from behind Food for Less. I wouldn't sneer at anyone you could get tips from when YOU have to eat out of a dumpster.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 01, 2017 8:16 PM  

This is definitely not a result of gammas. Deltas are supposed to be the most common, and this attitude is wide spread. It's probably a result of deltas failing and becoming bitter. I don't think they are innately weak in character but have become so through experience. For instance, here in LA it's almost impossible just to get menial part time labor when you're competing with 40 year Mexicans who do it for a living. I'm one of the few white guys from my age group that I grew up with who didn't end up being a burn out and there was a time where I was close myself. Statistically most people aren't smart enough, creative enough, personable enough, or plain lucky enough to make it. Most people are doomed in an environment like this by their mediocrity, and I don't think it's defeatism to acknowledge that. Should they give up? No, but Gen Z supports Trump for a reason.

Blogger DeploraBard September 01, 2017 8:16 PM  

Work any shitty job or decent job and live like a college student. Save enough for a down payment to purchase a duplex. Live in one side and rent the other. Now you live for free. Repeat in 2 years but with a quad plex. Now you make over 1500/mo while sleeping. Rinse and repeat. 10 years you hold 1 million in property. 15 years it's paid for. Now you earn 6 figures passive income.

Anonymous Athor Pel September 01, 2017 8:19 PM  

"78. Avalanche September 01, 2017 3:12 PM
...
And OH! There are machine shops CRYING for workers. The problem, all too often, is they won't / can't pay for 'training someone up' from scratch and they can't find or afford someone with experience.
..."


I've heard this before.

Makes me wonder who they have working for them right now. Are they all barely trained brand new employees that work super cheap? How did all these machine shops get into such a bind? Who did they trust when they shouldn't have? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Maybe they have super tight margins and are being squeezed by their biggest clients.

Skilled work needs apprenticeships, the shop owners must know this but yet a structured apprentice system does not exist. The situation stinks. Smells like decades of short term planning biting them in the ass.

Learning machining isn't like learning how to program a computer. The capital investment is beyond the average young person if they were to do it all on their own. Reading books on it is one thing, getting to practice on real machines in a real shop is several orders of magnitude different.

I looked into machining work but found the pay surprisingly low for the experience and knowledge required. I was shocked and very bummed out.




"74. David September 01, 2017 3:05 PM
...
All it takes is one opportunity to change your life, be ready for it or make one if you can.
"


You have to be ready and standing at the door before the door will open and lots of times you won't see the door before you get there. Think of your preparation as cutting out the underbrush that lets you see your way forward and allows others to see you.

I say this because there were times in my life that opportunities were presented to me because I had put myself in That place at That time. I didn't plan it.

I got a graduate assistantship without taking the GRE because I was at the right place at the right time with the right qualifications.

I've been offered jobs for the same reason plus what Vox described above. I did a good job in a temporary position that got me noticed.

Anonymous Luke September 01, 2017 8:24 PM  

Anyone who thinks that affirmative action isn't that big a deal for ambititous hard-working WMs with STEM careers, let me tell you about two conversations I had ~4 years ago.

These conversations were with large oil company's geologists while on an oil rig in Ohio. Each was a near-elderly white male geologist in a working group of something like 14-16 M.S. degreed geologists. Each was the ONLY American white male in the group. (By way of comparison, 2/3 of my graduating class of fellow Geology majors at the B.S. level at a state college in 1984 were U.S. citizen white males, who also were the majority at 2 of the 3 graduate schools I attended.) I was told that STEM hiring managers at the oil companies increasingly were assessed not merely for promotions and bonuses, but for retention, on diversity hiring statistics. Those hiring managers generally quickly got the message, and determined never again to hire another white male, the rest of the time during their careers at those oil companies.

So, that is why (as a U.S. white male who's not even partially redeemed in SJW eyes by being an atheist or homosexual) I have a Geology M.S. and over a decade of getting really f**king good at looking at rocks, can only find on-rig oil jobs ("mudlogging", in industry parlance) that at most a B.S. is needed for. The corporate/office professional-level jobs for Geologists are disproportionately reserved for anyone but people like me.

(I've seen some boneheaded stuff done over the years by home-office-located female and foreign oil company Geologists, resulting in screwed-up/longer drill time/more-expensive/lower-producing projects, so the cost of this policy is not just incurred by WM Geologists like me and my children.)

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2017 8:26 PM  

live like a college student.

Drink a lot, chase girls, and spend all your extra cash on record albums and your car stereo?

Wait, maybe that was just me.

Anonymous Anonymous September 01, 2017 8:26 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:

Hey, listen up, all you guys that are angry at Vox for posting what he did.

It was directed at me. I'm not angry. Why should I be? What did Vox say that should make me angry?

He said I was being an asshole, and a downer and it was probably showing through in my job search.

That sounds to me like he's offering advice. It's not bad advice, and I've already improved my attitude thanks to his headslap.

As far as taking any job at all, I just submitted my application to Home Depot. Why? Because I'll be out of money by Halloween unless I get an income.

If his post made you angry you need to adjust your attitude too.

I don't let my wife be embarrassed for me, I sure as hell am not going to let complete strangers be angry on my behalf.


Wow. Man, this is refreshing. This is taking up the cross, and being better. I wish you the best of luck man. It will be hard, though. May you overcome.

Anonymous Luke September 01, 2017 8:27 PM  

Anyone who thinks that affirmative action isn't that big a deal for ambititous hard-working WMs with STEM careers, let me tell you about two conversations I had ~4 years ago.

These conversations were with large oil company's geologists while on an oil rig in Ohio. Each was a near-elderly white male geologist in a working group of something like 14-16 M.S. degreed geologists. Each was the ONLY American white male in the group. (By way of comparison, 2/3 of my graduating class of fellow Geology majors at the B.S. level at a state college in 1984 were U.S. citizen white males, who also were the majority at 2 of the 3 graduate schools I attended.) I was told that STEM hiring managers at the oil companies increasingly were assessed not merely for promotions and bonuses, but for retention, on diversity hiring statistics. Those hiring managers generally quickly got the message, and determined never again to hire another white male, the rest of the time during their careers at those oil companies.

So, that is why (as a U.S. white male who's not even partially redeemed in SJW eyes by being an atheist or homosexual) I have a Geology M.S. and over a decade of getting really f**king good at looking at rocks, can only find on-rig oil jobs ("mudlogging", in industry parlance) that at most a B.S. is needed for. The corporate/office professional-level jobs for Geologists are disproportionately reserved for anyone but people like me.

(I've seen some boneheaded stuff done over the years by home-office-located female and foreign oil company Geologists, resulting in screwed-up/longer drill time/more-expensive/lower-producing projects, so the cost of this policy is not just incurred by WM Geologists like me and my children.)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 01, 2017 8:33 PM  

Athor Pel wrote:Makes me wonder who they have working for them right now. Are they all barely trained brand new employees that work super cheap? How did all these machine shops get into such a bind? Who did they trust when they shouldn't have? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
The average age of a working machinist in the US is over 60.
Tens or hundreds of thousands got laid off as all our manufacturing was shipped to China. The few that are left make good money, but there has been, until quite recently, an oversupply.

And because the machine tool/machine shop industry is incredibly short sighted, they've done nothing to bring in new people. A few hundred military-trained machinists are available every year.

And rather than address they problem that they have themselves created, and providing on-the-job training, they go crying about how Americans can't do the work. Rather than raising wages and establishing apprenticeships, or working with the tool manufacturers to train people who could do the work, they cry for government assistance.

Anonymous Luke September 01, 2017 8:38 PM  

13. DJ | AMDG September 01, 2017 1:26 PM
"Twenty, thirty years on...What Color is Your Parachute remains the most practical advice guide to job/career transitioning. I've shared it's wisdom and even the book with countless men screwed over by believing the cultural lie about education = job = security = happiness. It's mind boggling to know how many of said men reject it as pure bunk and claim, "Maybe this was true once...but things are different now."

I've read "What Color Is Your Parachute". (Yes, I'm aware it has been gone through many editions.) My assessment of the book is that its value is less than simply understanding that a job or career is simply a compromise between what you capable of doing, what you can stand to do, and what someone will pay you to do. That's it.

For a MUCH more useful advice book on careers and college major choices, I suggest Aaron Clarey's book "Worthless". I have three times given it as a high school graduation gift to relatives.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 8:42 PM  

they cry for government assistance.

When Halloween rolls around, Snidely -- will you take the welfare?

Just like to know who everybody is and how many Marvin the Martian, ultra-mega Über genius Boomers I'm caring for.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 01, 2017 8:47 PM  

Is Kid Rock really running for the Senate? Maybe.
Does he have the right attitude toward libtards?
Yes. Yes, he does.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 8:52 PM  

@178 Being in a 'Fuck You' position?

Priceless.

Blogger James September 01, 2017 8:58 PM  

"The thing is, in every single case, the individual criticizing the advice completely fails to suggest an alternative. Crime? Welfare? Suicide? More education? Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?"

I was thinking about collecting blackmail by threatening countries with nuclear devices I don't have but a couple of others have already beat me to this. Fool me, once shame on you. Fool me three times, shame on you too.

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 01, 2017 9:10 PM  

@Luke

"Anyone who thinks that affirmative action isn't that big a deal for ambititous hard-working WMs....[..]"

Just look at Charlottesville, while that WAS a psy-ops headed by (((Jason Kessler))) who had worked for Obama a year prior; what happened wasn't supposed to happen. The antifa and kkk/neo-nazis brought in on the same buses were just supposed to be a crowd of 500 strong with a few dupes in the mix. The problem was over 10,000 young college-educated white men and hangers-on showed up.

(((they))) freaked the fuck out.

Anonymous Luke September 01, 2017 9:14 PM  

Takin' a Look, I don't understand your point at all.

Did you mean that U.S. white males are just about at the point that they've decided they have nothing left to lose, and are ready to go to war against the SJWs who are stealing their futures?

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 01, 2017 9:20 PM  

I'm reading this thread and it's like.... After pizzagate (which Vox has touched on) why? Why work hard and raise a white family when your children can be snatched from you at anytime and sold for rape or sacrifices to the Princes of this World?

"There is a report about how CPS is actually a kidnapping ring

BUT WHEN I CLICKED ON IT, IT GIVES A BOGUS ERROR THAT ACCESS IS FORBIDDEN. That report is here but from where I am, it is FORBIDDEN. YEP. Probably for you too.
Most people know that CPS, in all regions, disproportionately takes white children, and then sells them through Dyncorp and wherever else. Years ago, this web site did a major report on the child snatching. I don't know where that report is specifically, but I do remember the name and location of a PDF that was associated with it, and it is probably very similar to the report that is being blocked at Truthovercomfort.net. Hmm, let me look for that.

Ahh, HERE IT IS! The woman who did this was very emotional but it is well done, extensive, and BANG ON - states get ENORMOUS piles of cash for every kid they take, probably as payoffs from the elite who then use the kids for whatever.
QUESTION: Why is it that when white kids get taken by CPS, in VIRTUALLY ALL CASES the parents are never allowed to see them or contact them in any way whatsoever ever again? "They" say it is for the best interest of the child. I SAY YOU CAN'T CONTACT A KID WHO'S BLOOD HAS BEEN SERVED UP IN MATZO BALLS!


You also can't talk to a kid who bled out through a rectal rupture or got sacrificed to Molech. Anyway, we all know it. Too bad we can't do anything about it with Google, the CIA and whoever else snuffing out any attempt to shut it all down"

(pdf at link)

http://82.221.129.208/baaaasepaagef1.html

Kids are looking this stuff up like mad, /pol, everywhere, and they are looking at us adults like.... "you can't even stop us from the average pedos, let alone the massive globalist elite Pedo rings, why the fuck should we listen to you on anything else? "

Anonymous pozymandias September 01, 2017 9:20 PM  

Vox asked "The situation is what it is. So, what are you going to do about it? Cry, complain, and give up? Or make your own way?"

I think you're falling for a bit of a logical fallacy here V in that it's certainly possible to determine that course of action A is useless while not knowing exactly what course B is. In fact I see this all the time from left wingers - "So what's yooooour solution to poverty, Mr. Conservative??" Well, I usually tell them I don't really have one especially considering that the minimum IQ for doing *useful*, well paid work keeps going up with advances in AI and that this is going to insure that many people can't do anything useful. I don't have a solution but I tell them I'm pretty sure it's not giving them money taken from the shrinking pool of those who still do useful stuff. If I think they might open to some Red Pill I might even talk about statistical racial and gender variances in abilities.

I've been trying to get back into tech lately in some capacity but have been having what seems like a ridiculous amount of trouble getting even shitty jobs as tech support for instance. My situation is similar to Snidely's. I'm approaching 50, Gen-X White male, hetero, married, computer geek with a lot of understanding of the kind of deeper comp. sci. stuff they don't teach the cookie cutter web serfs today. Nobody gives a shit.

On interview after interview I get this stuff about "culture fit". It's code for "are you a dipshit millenial hipster with nothing but Poz for brains?" and of course there's usually a "mission statement" crammed with diversity rhetoric that makes it clear that white males are hired last.

The funny thing is that as incompetent as these people usually are, they are just that arrogant and smug as well. I just got done with a phone interview with one. He's a schoolteacher by education but was talking down to me about my solution to the programming challenge they gave me. He told me "what we were looking for was..." The thing is that his solution would have resulted in code duplication and multiple points of failure. I tried explaining that but I could almost his eyes glazing over. His solution was superior to mine in one way though - you could have implemented it quickly, just a cut here and a paste there and you're done - for now - until it blows up in a week and no one can find the bug. That's the thing though, it's all surface style and Poz religion. Doing things right or even at all is at the bottom of the list. This is one thing where the Alt-Tech movement has a huge opportunity. It's not just that Google and Twitter are basically handing us multi-billion dollar opportunities to do what they do but minus the Poz. It's that taking the Poz out (and the dead-weight affirmative action hires that comes with it) gets people focused on the core business and doing things right rather than thinking the "right" socially approved things.

Blogger SirGroggy September 01, 2017 9:22 PM  

For someone like VD who espouses this Lex Luthor type UHIQ evil genius his advice is comically out of date, but not surprising.

Evil genius? No, no, no! It's Supreme Dark Lord - get it right, please.

I know highly qualified people scratching out a living and just getting by

If you are making a living today then you are much wealthier than the average person by world standards or historical standards. Ask your grandparents about how things were economically for their parents when they were growing up and ask what sort of jobs they were doing and what sort of things they were able to afford. Perhaps that is something for some degree of gratitude upon reflection.

Being 'highly qualified' might be a misnomer these days as university education has become almost ubiquitous (which it was never meant to be). Just having a certification does not entitle the graduate to have the red carpet rolled out for them in the real world especially when these days universities are indoctrinating students in the 'special snowflake' mindset. Those such as Barack Obama said 'everybody' should have the 'opportunity' to go to college to receive the same education he received. Tony Blair said the same thing earlier on. In both cases it is complete leftist idiocy and a childish fantasy and a denigration of normal work. The economy needs many sorts of jobs that don't need a university education such as plumbers and car mechanics and farmers and so on, which all require skill and knowledge, and in many cases the jobs which need university education are vocational such as lawyer, engineer, doctor, and so forth. University is not for everyone and 'education' is not the answer to everything, contrary to the leftist ideology in which they worship and idealise academia into something it is not and never was.

Anonymous Crew September 01, 2017 9:29 PM  

@174: Increasingly in Silicon Valley we see ethnic nepotism playing a very big part as well as major orgs like Apple, etc and non-major orgs like Nutanix are mostly filled with Indians who hire other Indians to the exclusion of real Americans.

Anonymous Crew September 01, 2017 9:32 PM  

@184: If you have time for some volunteer work among us volunteers send email to rifleman@infogalactic.com and/or crew@infogalactic.com

We need people.

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 01, 2017 9:36 PM  

"you can't even (save) us" I meant.

Anyways, children of all races are taken, white Christians are just heavily preferred.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 9:40 PM  

@148,

You are 100% right about the boomers being clueless about the job market and job hunting today.

I have a nephew that has had problems finding work. He just turned 30 and has never had a quality job. He's a great, hardworking guy, but he's never landed a great job.

His mom (who is 60) recommended he go to college and get a degree. He had enough sense to see getting into debt for a piece of paper wasn't the right move.

Then they told him he needed to really polish up his resume and send it out to as many places as he could (even worse than the college advise).

15 years ago, when I was between jobs, I took a temp position in the mail room of a mid sized company. We opened the application letters in the mail room; tossed the envelopes; and put the cover letter & resume in a stack. When the stack go to about the height of 2 reams of paper, someone in HR would go through them (and by go through them, I mean spend less than 5 seconds looking at each cover-letter/resume before trashing it).

A person in HR told me their online system received over 2,000 applications a WEEK. They were processed by a keyword system. If an application had ALL the right keywords, it would get forwarded to someone's attention (where it got the same 5 second treatment as the paper resumes).

She told me almost all jobs were filled at the company either by employee referrals or head-hunters. Resumes sent to the company (even ones in response to a job ad) went into a black hole.

The job hunting version of "Always be closing" is: "Always be job hunting".

Regularly attend local professional/user-group meetings related to your industry. You'll meet recruiters and people who work in your industry. Connect with them on Linkedin and build up a network of connections. When (today it's no longer if) you are laid off, or you see a position you are interested in, hopefully you have a connection to someone in that company who can get your name in front of the hiring manager (bypassing HR is an important skill to learn).

Unless you are starting your own company, you are going to be working for someone else. To protect yourself you should always be job hunting. The time to prepare for job hunting is before you need a job.

Back to my 30 year old nephew. His problem isn't his education or skills; his problem is he isn't aggressive and active enough job hunting. He doesn't go out and chase one down; he doesn't find a company he likes and works his way in; he waits till a job comes to him.

He takes it for granted that a good job will eventually show up. Another bit of bad advice he got from his boomer parents.

Anonymous Jack September 01, 2017 9:42 PM  

"Kidnapping the relatives of HR executives?"

It worked for Clark Griswold in Christmas Vacation.

"So, what are you going to do about it?"

You said you wanted to get a job. Do you really wanna get one? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do? He brings a knife, you bring a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! And THAT's how you get a job!

We Generation Xers indeed.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. September 01, 2017 9:49 PM  

It's odd.

VD's bar and Grille equally draws the A.) Crazies; the B.) Losers; the C.) Winners; the D.) Half-retarded; the E.) intelligent (your mileage may vary).

Maybe not so odd. Dunno...

What I do know, however, is that less than 5% of the world's population is intellectually equipped understand what I've just delineated.

DISCLAIMER: Please disregard, lest you are of the cerebral sort.

Question? Answer: Yes. In vino veritas. Guilty as charged.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 9:52 PM  

@184,

You are right that there is rampant age discrimination in IT.

"Do no evil" Google used to have a policy not to hire anyone who graduated from college prior to a certain year. It was on the surface to ensure their skills were up to date, but it was a roundabout way to ensure they didn't hire anyone over a certain age.

A couple of suggestions to fight this:

1) You don't have to put your graduation date on your resume or Linkedin profile (and you shouldn't).

2) You may have 30 years of experience, but you don't have to put all 30 years on your resume.

In IT, most companies only care about what you have been doing recently anyway. If you've got more than 10 years of job history on your resume, you've got too much.

It's illegal for a company to ask you your age. There's no reason to volunteer it.

Blogger Otto Lamp September 01, 2017 10:01 PM  

'On interview after interview I get this stuff about "culture fit".'

In my experience, it's code for: we want young, single people who don't have a life and who will work 24 hours a day (they don't have game rooms and beer to be nice, they want you to take a break instead of going home, then go back to work for another 4 hours).

Anonymous A Texan September 01, 2017 10:04 PM  

The job market for professionals is really that bad. It is so bad that I had even seen thread about it pop up on Linked In of all places. If the unemployment rate is really single digits across the board, well, I'll suck Michelle Obama's man appendage on live TV.

The Obummer administration piled on more bad economic policies on top of incompetencies of Bush II and Clinton. Obummercare alone probably sucked out billions from the economy.

There are plenty of STEM educated people with a few years experience that somehow corporate America just can't seem to find but somehow we need a million more Lo Wei's and Ranjeev's each year to make up for this alleged shortage. What a pile of crap!

Anonymous 0007 September 01, 2017 10:04 PM  

Long story short, I invited an ITT school rep to my folks house when I was 16(that was in 1960.). But it was a "trade school" and the folks weren't having that. So they jammed me into college - until I dropped out for a semester and got drafted(1964).
When I got out I was an USAF certified electronics-tech(1968). So I went back to a Voc-tech school for two years and got blessed. My whole class there was hire by the largest companies in the country - HP, P&W, TI,TEX - before they finished the course.
I stayed in my field until I made it into the ranks of the field engineering at a large corporation.(1977). Stayed in field engineering, filled five passports in ~20 years, retired and then got hired into a very large fed.gov department where I spent the next ten years. All of this because I dropped out and got drafted. Oh yeah and I had a wife who understood that I was happy doing what I did.
And while I was doing the 20 years in the corp world, I was asked several times to come into the office and become a supervisor. I always told the various bosses(up to department head), that a nickel an hour would move me but not in that direction.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy September 01, 2017 10:05 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents wrote:Vox and others advice is dialectic with some rhetoric.

The dialectic advice remains solid.

Actually, some of the dialectic advice was evil (you have to break the law to get ahead) and some of it was murderously incorrect (go eat brine with noodles in it for every meal).

The response is pure rhetoric. Why? Why the emotion?
Because many of the people who gave advice last time accompanied it with some or all of the following:
* You should have a third-world standard of living to save money. (And everyone who can't do that deserves to die.)
* You should work for cash under the table (illegally) to get ahead. (And everyone who won't do that deserves to die.)
* Everyone who points out that the Boomertards' advice is based on assumptions which are now false deserves to die.
* Everyone who complains about affirmative action deserves to die.
* Everyone who resorts to welfare deserves to die.
* I would rather hire a foreigner (who will work for cash under the table, benefit from affirmative action, go on welfare, and vote for more AA and welfare) than one of these white folks who feel entitled to a chance at a job in their own native country.

The bad advice that some commenters gave, and the evil attitudes with which they offered it, have been killing white males for over a decade. And it's not a random genocide; it's killing the higher skilled, more law-abiding whites who would rather die than go on welfare. Their evil, traitorous attitudes have been killing the best part of the American white population, and the part more sincerely and practically opposed to welfare than they are.

And they believe that betraying their own people and society is a good thing. The Pizzagate conspirators are more likely to repent and stop being evil than they are.


rycamor wrote:And in fact, one can make a decent living "not doing taxed work". There are always houses that need to be painted, cleaned, etc... and a huge percentage of people doing that work do it off the books. Sure, it's low-paying but if you keep it off the books, the money is yours.
Your kind has turned America into a corrupt, low-trust society. You have to go back.

Anonymous Desiderius September 01, 2017 10:06 PM  

Those pozzed out orgs are ripe for predation.

Time to hunt.

Blogger Apex_Predator September 01, 2017 10:20 PM  

@141

"S1AL wrote:
I read the description. I'm very much not the target audience for Throne's stuff, but it's the exact same vibe without the proof or examples.

No, I meant Alpha_Pedo or whatever his name is up there.
I don't care for Ivan's "how to be a psychopath like me" stuff either."


Yet here you are begging for table scraps and learning how to not be a Debbie downer beta sperg while on your last nickel.

I've already walked through fire that would have hade you sticking a gun in your mouth and came out on the other side of it with something resembling my dignity and some income (though nothing like before).

All the while your group of loyal sychophants cheering you on in a frenzied circle jerk. I left basic instructions that anyone with an IQ slightly above room temperature could deduce without giving specifics above. So I gave "the alternate strategy". But if you want to "clean up in aisle 8" at Home Depot all the spunk that's been slung your way by your pals here... go crazy.

Who am I, crafter of lofty tales and "Thrones" (whatever dafuq that means, not hip to the sperg lingo) to say otherwise? Carry on plebe.

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 01, 2017 10:50 PM  

"LurkingPuppySeptember 01, 2017 10:05 PM"

"fistbump"

Love ya man, (no homo)

Are you the one with the farming uncle who paid 15 dollars an hour with a waiting list of local white boys? The other farmers paid like 5 and whined the local white boys were too damned soft to bale hay so they preferred to work at McDonald's for 8-10 bucks an hour. So that's the reason we needed Mexican Aztec squatmonsters, because white boys won't break their backs and go "yes suh!" and suck your stinky old dick behind the pig pen (because you're too fat and gross for the wife to spread her legs) for 5 bucks an hour.

The Jew, evil as he is, being the child of Satan, could have never succeeded without the host's avarice and myopic grubbing and well, just plain willingness to fuck over his fellow man and think he is doing him a favor as the white man himself is.

Blogger Lazarus September 01, 2017 10:52 PM  

I worked for the equivalent of about 5 years total if it was a full time job after not graduating high school and flunking out of university. Did a little bit of self-employment for awhile, mostly for tax deductions. Now retired, getting almost 2K$ from the .gov per month with $500K portfolio. Low overhead, low income tax strategy with high trust low cost alliances.
Socialist style health care (inefficient, gotta know how to work it).

Play the hand you are dealt, but also know what the cards in the hand are.

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