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Sunday, September 03, 2017

North Korea ups the ante

The North Koreans send a very strong "back off" message to the USA:
North Korea today detonated a hydrogen bomb sparking a powerful 6.3 magnitude earthquake amid an 'escalating' nuclear crisis.

The terrifying tremor was detected in the northeast of the country where the Punggye-ri test site is located - but was so strong that it shook buildings in China and Russia.

State television claimed the country's sixth nuclear test - 10 times more powerful than its fifth - was a 'perfect success' and could pave the way for a frightening new range of missiles loaded with hydrogen bombs. It added that the underground test - which was directly ordered by leader Kim Jong-un - was a 'meaningful' step in completing the country's nuclear weapons programme.

Following the blast Donald Trump slammed North Korea as a 'rogue nation' which is a 'great threat and embarrassment to China' - finishing with the thinly-veiled threat: 'They only understand one thing.'

'He wrote on Twitter: North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States. North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success. South Korea is finding, as I have told them, that their talk of appeasement with North Korea will not work, they only understand one thing!'
This would probably be a very good time to not live anywhere near the East or West Coasts. I'd be astonished if North Korea hasn't already planted a bomb or two in a Chinese container that is sitting in a US port.

There are no good options here.

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Blogger Bob Ramar September 03, 2017 8:02 AM  

Given the regime's situation, this is not surprising. Pakistan's Prime Minister told the nation, after India detonated its first atomic bomb that "We will eat grass, if necessary, to be able to afford to develop our own bomb."

A more worrying thing is the earthquake. There is a supervolcano in the northern part of the country, near the test site. It is dormant, but has shown signs of increasing activity recently.

Anonymous Desultory Legomenon September 03, 2017 8:07 AM  

"I'd be astonished if North Korea hasn't already planted a bomb or two in a Chinese container that is sitting in a US port."

That would indeed be most ... unwise of them.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 03, 2017 8:10 AM  

Well, "Nuke the Moon" is always an option. When you need to send a message as well as test space weaponry.

More seriously, expect some more military drills, posturing and Trump Admin putting the screws into Chinese banks. I didn't think the Norks had enough heavy water to pull off a hydrogen device, which suggests they were given the secondary by someone.

As far as provocations go, I wouldn't worry about this one too much. Each time Trump tweaks China on trade, NK does something. They're trying to bluff Trump isn't blinking. No reason to, all the Norks can do is make a big show. They have no leverage, as their only real play is to attack South Korea, which means they're annihilation. We've got a new class of EMP weapons already in deployment, which is probably what a lot of the delay was about, as they might not have been in theater yet.

Blogger Johnny September 03, 2017 8:12 AM  

"I'd be astonished if North Korea hasn't already planted a bomb or two in a Chinese container that is sitting in a US port."

I have long wondered how good they are at detecting nukes.

War with N. Korea would be a hell of a mess, but maybe the die is cast. The most immediate threat would be to S. Korea and Japan.

Anonymous DronesRbad September 03, 2017 8:16 AM  

I'm not climatologist, but it would seem that repetitive nuclear explosions, of whatever actual type (H bomb, etc), could not be "good" for the environment, in at least that while it may be a closed system--it's a closed system, and it would seem such blasts might cause things like hurricanes, and earthquakes to elevate in strength, intensity and numbers.

Anyone know if this actually matters? Meaning, beyond the test site/local population?

Blogger #7139 September 03, 2017 8:16 AM  

So the NorKs have the H bomb. Damn.

Blogger L' Aristokrato September 03, 2017 8:17 AM  

If he nukes California, all is forgiven.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 03, 2017 8:20 AM  

In the past, I'd have been really concerned, but Trump is better at this game than the rest. NK is pretty much in the same situation that the computer Joshua found itself at the end of War Games: they have no actual victory condition if the other party doesn't play along. For as much as "Lil Kim is insane!" is a narrative that's sold, the facts don't really back that up. He's a brutal, heartless dictator, but he also has no desire to get himself dead. (Thus why he's killed most of his extended family recently.)

Before the fall of the USSR, North Korea was mostly funded by Russia, but it's always been the dog of the Chinese military. Those Nukes were always as much of a hedge against Beijing as DC. Something has changed in the dynamic in the last few years. I'd assume Kim might be stuck in a bind because he's done several things China hasn't liked (thus killing his brother), but he still needs them enough that he'll play along in their losing war with Trump over Trade.

The NAFTA negotiations have spent a lot of time talking about Chinese imports & sourcing rules violations. So, even NAFTA talks are hitting China.

Blogger Shimshon September 03, 2017 8:25 AM  

@8 Mr. Anonymous Conservative opines that a terminally ill Kim could react in such a manner. But even then, would his underlings go along with that level of insanity? Otherwise, I agree that bandying about words like "insane" to describe Kim and other brutal dictators is usually ill-advised.

Blogger seeingsights September 03, 2017 8:27 AM  

If I recall correctly, during the Presidential campaign, Trump said that Japan and South Korea should have nuclear weapons. Some commentators, including those on the Right, thought that Trump's idea was nuts.

I responded to one of those never Trumpers--I think it was Ed on Instapundit--that Japan and South Korea are first world countries and allowing them to have nukes would deter North Korea and China.

In our present situation, however, the US would have to retaliate on behalf of South Korea or Japan.

Blogger Lazarus September 03, 2017 8:30 AM  

DronesRbad wrote:I'm not climatologist, but it would seem that repetitive nuclear explosions, of whatever actual type (H bomb, etc), could not be "good" for the environment,

Between 1945 and 1980 there were 521 above ground nuclear detonations. Start graphing those weather records......

Blogger wreckage September 03, 2017 8:31 AM  

Nuclear devices are really easy to detect, if you devote any real resources to the problem.

China wont nuke the USA because the entire point is retaining trade with the USA, any nukes would have to come from NK... and of course, China is much more vulnerable to 3G nuclear warfare by the USA, so it's lose-lose for them.

If China is letting NK be their dog-on-a-leash, they're ignoring the moral theater of 4GW; every time they fail to contain NK, Trump scores moral capital in the cold/trade war.

Blogger wreckage September 03, 2017 8:34 AM  

A nuke would allow the US to 3GW the hell out of NK; that's the PERFECT war for the USA. Lots of showy bombing and precision guided propaganda, the NK media situation hands narrative control to the USA... it would be so good for any given US administration you'd almost assume it was a false-flag.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 03, 2017 8:34 AM  

Trump Tweets on the subject:

North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States.....

..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.

South Korea is finding, as I have told them, that their talk of appeasement with North Korea will not work, they only understand one thing!


This should be good for the War Party to run out all of their talking heads to get the War Drums rolling. Quick! Someone find Max Boot!

Ignore the Norks. Their only actual play is some Act of War. They're like a guy at a NRA gathering going, "I'VE GOT A GUN!" and everyone else is like, "so?". It was far less protection money that was paid and far more "this headache isn't worth it" money. The Headache is now an actual "problem" that can extort more in the future. This is why Trump is framing the problem as causing China to look bad, as they can pull the leash and end this dance. However, they won't do that until it hurts enough.

Which is why the Trump Admin will squeeze it all a lot harder. After they put Pakistan on blast, China is clearly feeling the heat, which is why this nuke just went off.

Blogger Chris Lutz September 03, 2017 8:34 AM  

@8 The "Kim is insane!" is really a proxy for "Kim doesn't think the way we do." His priorities and base premises are far different from ours. Hey I've learned something from reading "Hitler in Hell."

While he may not be insane, he may think nuking S.Korea, Japan, and/or the US is in his interest. It wouldn't surprise me if he has let it be known to the Chinese that he would nuke them too if they tried anything. I can't believe China wants this level of chaos in the area. If they do, they are as "crazy" as Kim.

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Anonymous roadrage September 03, 2017 8:42 AM  

@ #2
Wouldn't it be a hoot if their nuclear testing activated that supervolcano?
You know, we might not have to worry about going to war with NK.
God might just do it for us.
Just to show the world that that idiot over there really isn't a god, after all.
Remember what He did to Pompeii when He got tired of their shennanigans?

Anonymous johnc September 03, 2017 8:47 AM  

Give the green light to Japan and SK to add nuclear weapons to their arsenal, and then we'll see China and Russia tighten their sphincters and become willing to get serious about NK.

Japan and SK are painted into a corner. They need to be able to defend themselves from NK.

Blogger JACIII September 03, 2017 8:51 AM  

Oh, this one's easy. We need to be ready to launch a nuke from a nearby sub when next NK does a "test".

Headline - "Tragic nuclear weapons accident in North Korea. Accidental detonation has 'Neutron Bomb' effect some say."

Blogger mark auld September 03, 2017 9:03 AM  

A super volcano there could certainly be to our benefit,all things considered.

Blogger Salt September 03, 2017 9:12 AM  

This is down to an either/or situation. China is not going to stop Kim, so that leaves it to the US or Russia and Russia isn't going to stop Kim. US stops Kim and it's war with China.


Kim will get his nukes. The regional hegemony shall be maintained.

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 9:20 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:Trump Tweets on the subject:

North Korea has conducted a major Nuclear Test. Their words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States.....

..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.

South Korea is finding, as I have told them, that their talk of appeasement with North Korea will not work, they only understand one thing!

This should be good for the War Party to run out all of their talking heads to get the War Drums rolling. Quick! Someone find Max Boot!

Ignore the Norks. Their only actual play is some Act of War. They're like a guy at a NRA gathering going, "I'VE GOT A GUN!" and everyone else is like, "so?". It was far less protection money that was paid and far more "this headache isn't worth it" money. The Headache is now an actual "problem" that can extort more in the future. This is why Trump is framing the problem as causing China to look bad, as they can pull the leash and end this dance. However, they won't do that until it hurts enough.

Which is why the Trump Admin will squeeze it all a lot harder. After they put Pakistan on blast, China is clearly feeling the heat, which is why this nuke just went off.


Likely, this is smoke and mirrors, as China still has more control then most think, and this is an Economic War yet, and the nukes are a blunt distraction.

Economic pressure on China will be upped, everything else is just saber rattling.

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 9:24 AM  

One more thing, China can stop NK and un if they wish, but he is and always has been there trump card hidden under their sleeve.

Blogger tz September 03, 2017 9:27 AM  

Then there's those two EMP sized NK satellites orbiting the earth.
And his brother was assassinated with VX nerve agent.
Today is a day of prayer for the victims of Harvey. We should also pray for protection, but such is futile if we do not repent.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 03, 2017 9:28 AM  

"I'd be astonished if North Korea hasn't already planted a bomb or two in a Chinese container that is sitting in a US port."

I have long wondered how good they are at detecting nukes.


First we need to master the art of detecting cargo ships.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 03, 2017 9:29 AM  

I remain skeptical that a nuclear device of any significance could be smuggled into a US Harbor without detection by current US detection technology satellites submarines Etc

Blogger sykes.1 September 03, 2017 9:30 AM  

If there is a rogue nation, it is the US: Serbia/Kosovo, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Turkey ...

The US is an expansionist, aggressive imperial state. It demands submission from other states. North Korea knows America's history and wants a deterrent.

The US is demanding that North Korea submit and give up an extremely valuable asset in exchange for literally nothing. We might be able to denuclearize North Korea is we would offer something of equal value in exchange. We would also have to provide security guarantees to the North, no coup, no decapitation strike, no preemptive strike, etc. Russia and China would have to be co-guarantors of the agreement, and they might have to station troops and SAM's in the DMZ.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 03, 2017 9:31 AM  

I have no love for North Korea but their leaders at least appear to understand the rules of the game they're playing. Alternatively, could be the dick waving instinct, but I think they at least have more survival instinct than the neocons.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 03, 2017 9:32 AM  

I'd be astonished if North Korea hasn't already planted a bomb or two in a Chinese container that is sitting in a US port.
I'd be astonished if they have.  Such a bomb is easily detected by its gamma shine and spontaneous neutron emissions.  Putting it in a US port would give us a casus belli that nobody would question, as well as a complete snapshot of the Nork weapons technology.

It would also give the USA a chance to hit some other party with a genuine Nork nuke in the mother of all false-flag attacks.  Now, who would we like to be mad at North Korea?

Anonymous patrick kelly September 03, 2017 9:35 AM  

Yes and noticed a catastrophic EMP effect or lack of it in this case

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 9:35 AM  

tz wrote:Then there's those two EMP sized NK satellites orbiting the earth.

And his brother was assassinated with VX nerve agent.

Today is a day of prayer for the victims of Harvey. We should also pray for protection, but such is futile if we do not repent.



If we have repented, and we do pray. What. Have. We. Got. To. Lose? No more caving, orient for best responses, then test, probe, move forward.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 03, 2017 9:40 AM  

Radiation is not difficult to conceal, especially if you have state funding. But yes, there is a significant downside if it's discovered, and that risk weighs heavy on such decisions. Still, every serious poker player keeps an ace up their sleeve.

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 9:40 AM  

sykes.1 wrote:If there is a rogue nation, it is the US: Serbia/Kosovo, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Turkey ...

The US is an expansionist, aggressive imperial state. It demands submission from other states. North Korea knows America's history and wants a deterrent.

The US is demanding that North Korea submit and give up an extremely valuable asset in exchange for literally nothing. We might be able to denuclearize North Korea is we would offer something of equal value in exchange. We would also have to provide security guarantees to the North, no coup, no decapitation strike, no preemptive strike, etc. Russia and China would have to be co-guarantors of the agreement, and they might have to station troops and SAM's in the DMZ.


You admire NK so much maybe you should be sent there? There are plenty of empire builders in the world. Perhaps you could help China build their future empire in Africa.

Blogger JACIII September 03, 2017 9:44 AM  

thread winner

Anonymous BBGKB September 03, 2017 9:47 AM  

There is a supervolcano in the northern part of the country, near the test site. It is dormant, but has shown signs of increasing activity recently

Sounds like this could be self correcting. Oh yea it would affect China who has let NK get this far. As long as it doesn't blot out the sun in the US.

First we need to master the art of detecting cargo ships.

I hear the USS John McCain is good at making contact with civilian vessels. But detection is complicated by the fact shielding info is not classified, an ER Trama room probably has enough shielding to hide a nuke.



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Blogger pyrrhus September 03, 2017 9:49 AM  

Clinton and Madaline Albright gave the Norks food and nuclear reactors back in the '90s to keep them tame....guess that didn't work. Meanwhile the US continues to deploy military hardware and spying equipment, including the X-band radar in SK...So China considers the North to be a valuable buffer against the US military, and will certainly not allow the US to dominate it, hence the present situation...IF the US agreed to demilitarize the entire peninsula, everyone would be happy, but the Deep State can't allow that..

Blogger Phillip George September 03, 2017 9:51 AM  

It's way beyond this narrative isn't it?
Is Cernovich suggesting Trump is under house arrest?

Man, it seems the NEOCONS have their war plan and it's rolling.

The DOORS did This is the End...

Anonymous Looking Glass September 03, 2017 10:02 AM  

At some level, we just wanted to play Video Games, now we're doing Grand Strategy.

Anyway, first reports were overblown. Looks around 100 kt, which is a sizable bomb, technically, but it wouldn't have a secondary to reach thermonuclear-levels. Which means they've managed to achieve 1948 tech.

From Kim & NK's perspective, they're a dependent State. Either on China or someone else. The Leadership doesn't care about its people, only their own power, so all analysis has to work from there. Kim could end this all today & get a Nobel Prize in 4 hours of talks, but if he did that, China would replace the entire NK Leadership.

China's perspective is no Western or Allied forces on the Yalu River. Thus, the only End-Games require North Korea to remain with borders extent and not under the control of anyone else. But, China has also been able to use NK to keep South Korea somewhat under their thumb, along with keeping Japan on guard. (Strategic Interests for China.)

That's the game board that Trump is working from. That's why the pressure point is China's economy & international image. Trump is going to keep slamming China with "can't do anything", even if they control the chain. By doing that, he's undercutting them at all of their International Organizations. Image & Vanity matter for these people, so Trump is rolling out the way he played NYC politicians.

Trump also has the classified economic analysis. All "public" facing information is 80% BS. The classified stuff is supposed to be really good. China screwed themselves by joining the SDR at the valuation they did. (Frankly, I think they got played by forces looking to pillage them.) The Yuan is massively overvalued, but China has to defend that valuation. Normalization would cause all of their bubbles to implode in one fell swoop. The Trump Admin knows this, but the fact that Trump can't be bought off is what scares China.

Turns out that China is utterly dependent on imports. Funny, that? Trump has all of the leverage in the world. He's going to squeeze. One. Step. At. A. Time. Trump is a patient man.

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 10:06 AM  

Phillip George wrote:It's way beyond this narrative isn't it?

Is Cernovich suggesting Trump is under house arrest?

Man, it seems the NEOCONS have their war plan and it's rolling.

The DOORS did This is the End...



50's advice -- hide under your school desk, then bend over as far as you can, then "kiss your ass goodbye." So PG, Blackpilled much? The sky is falling, the sky is falling, and it's making me so blue! HA!
What. Have. We. Got. To. Lose?

Blogger Phillip George September 03, 2017 10:09 AM  

No, make something else go viral. Count the cost of calling in "normality"

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 10:10 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:At some level, we just wanted to play Video Games, now we're doing Grand Strategy.

Anyway, first reports were overblown. Looks around 100 kt, which is a sizable bomb, technically, but it wouldn't have a secondary to reach thermonuclear-levels. Which means they've managed to achieve 1948 tech.

From Kim & NK's perspective, they're a dependent State. Either on China or someone else. The Leadership doesn't care about its people, only their own power, so all analysis has to work from there. Kim could end this all today & get a Nobel Prize in 4 hours of talks, but if he did that, China would replace the entire NK Leadership.

China's perspective is no Western or Allied forces on the Yalu River. Thus, the only End-Games require North Korea to remain with borders extent and not under the control of anyone else. But, China has also been able to use NK to keep South Korea somewhat under their thumb, along with keeping Japan on guard. (Strategic Interests for China.)

That's the game board that Trump is working from. That's why the pressure point is China's economy & international image. Trump is going to keep slamming China with "can't do anything", even if they control the chain. By doing that, he's undercutting them at all of their International Organizations. Image & Vanity matter for these people, so Trump is rolling out the way he played NYC politicians.

Trump also has the classified economic analysis. All "public" facing information is 80% BS. The classified stuff is supposed to be really good. China screwed themselves by joining the SDR at the valuation they did. (Frankly, I think they got played by forces looking to pillage them.) The Yuan is massively overvalued, but China has to defend that valuation. Normalization would cause all of their bubbles to implode in one fell swoop. The Trump Admin knows this, but the fact that Trump can't be bought off is what scares China.

Turns out that China is utterly dependent on imports. Funny, that? Trump has all of the leverage in the world. He's going to squeeze. One. Step. At. A. Time. Trump is a patient man.


^^^THIS^^^ Great summary Looking Glass

Blogger Orville September 03, 2017 10:11 AM  

I'd be astonished if they have. Such a bomb is easily detected by its gamma shine and spontaneous neutron emissions.

This is not a problem. A thick lead box in the container or lining the container itself can very effectively block gamma emissions from the bomb's materials.

Anonymous Iron Spartan September 03, 2017 10:12 AM  

I still stand behind my prediction that China will invade NK as a dress rehersal for going to war with India.

Blogger Gordon September 03, 2017 10:21 AM  

A thunderstorm gathers and releases as much energy as a medium-yield nuke. There's 2000 thunderstorms happening on earth at any moment. The energy release from a nuke is trivial in planetary terms.

It's the secondary effects like smoke from fires that would matter to Gaia. Sagan was lying about nuclear winter, but as we have never seen such an event, we really don't know what would happen.

Blogger bosscauser September 03, 2017 10:31 AM  

Fat kid playing with matches so we add couple hundred billion to Defense.
He goes away as a threat. You'll see!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Looking Glass September 03, 2017 10:33 AM  

@43 Iron Spartan

China has enough forces in theater to do it, actually. They also moved a bunch of their nukes + launchers to Manchu held areas. Which actually points to some nasty internal stability issues in China. (People forget that China is currently about 4 or 5 countries locked within an Empire. They control area significantly beyond their historic borders.)

Sadly, I know of plenty of people that would be really happy to see an India vs China war. We're going to need to Game that out. Considering the nearly complete inability for either side to do more than skirmish in one region, it wouldn't necessarily escalate to lobbing nukes, but it could. Something for later.

As to North Korea, let's run a few end-game scenarios.

* USA + Korea pay the danegeld, we get another round of this when Kim has Theater Delivery Platforms + small enough warheads to do it. Japan goes Nuclear in the mean time, SK quietly does as well. (Or buys some from Israel.) Trump's position, national & international is badly weakened. <-- that is why it's unlikely. It was off the table weeks ago, actually.

* Trump says, "huh?" to Kim after the next few provocations. Kim really is insane, does something stupid and restarts the War. Bunch of South Koreans die in the first volley, but the counter attack is absolutely brutal & swift. USA deploys all of the new Stand-off toys they can't yet talk about. China has the biggest spaz out we've seen on the International level in ages, and we have two armies charging to capture territory in NK. <-- this could get really hot, really fast, which is why it's unlikely. NK leadership is getting killed by anyone that finds them.

* Trump puts the squeeze on China until they relent & bend the knee. Trump visits China and is effusive with the praise about Chinese Diplomacy in ending the "crisis". NK submits to removal & inspections in return for security guarantees and supplies. Depending on the knee bending amount, there could be an agreement to remove most US forces.

* As in the first one, but Kim takes an offer of Exile (and a lot of money) and decamps somewhere else. Military-level agreements between USA, SK, China & NK divide up chunks of NK to Chinese & South Korean control, with the removal of US Forces as part of the agreement. Official ends the Korean War. Everyone involved gets Nobel Peace Prizes. USA agrees to funnel a good chunk of money to building up what is formerly NK. <-- this is the best End-game for everyone but China. "North Korea" exists, but as more of a DMZ than a puppet state. It becomes something like Cambodia at that point. South Korea doesn't want to (nor is able) to absorb North Korea, but they can manage the place.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 03, 2017 10:39 AM  

tuberman wrote:Perhaps you could help China build their future empire in Africa.

Bring all our troops home and let China have the whole stinking place. Hell, throw in the Middle East along with it. Let the Chinese deal with the Israelis and Muslims. Better them than us.

Blogger bobby September 03, 2017 10:42 AM  

33. tuberman September 03, 2017 9:40 AM

"The US is an expansionist, aggressive imperial state. It demands submission from other states."


Well, then, they'd better submit, don't you think?

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 10:48 AM  

bobby wrote:33. tuberman September 03, 2017 9:40 AM

"The US is an expansionist, aggressive imperial state. It demands submission from other states."


Well, then, they'd better submit, don't you think?


I was quoting someone else who said that, Ha, HAA! MPAI

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 10:53 AM  

I feel the smuggled atomic weapons scenario is unlikely.

It's a matter of control. The Kims are control freaks and they can't maintain absolute control of the weapon in that situation.

I don't think that regime is capable of trusting any officer as it's minder under those circumstance.

Blogger James September 03, 2017 10:53 AM  

Not to be a "conspiracy theorist", but given that the government, media, and now science lie constantly, how would anyone that posts on blogs "know" that NK detonated a hydrogen bomb? Don't you get all, and I mean ALL, of your information from a source that constantly lies to you every day? "Satellite images!" Who provides those images to you? All of the information any of us has is given to us by someone that has a vested interest in shaping a narrative. Here is the narrative I think they want us to have. "We must spend trillions of dollars to defuse a "mad" dictator that threatens the world!"

I think we could agree that the Phat Phuck is not insane. If he was, he would be deposed of by either the Chinese or the NK military. This is just another deception similar to how political leaders are always assassinated by "lone nuts", when it is invariably a palace coup with a patsy to disguise that fact. The war thing is always "He wants to conquer the world!" (an impossibility, by the way), or "They hate our freedom and want to destroy us!"

Everyone sees that we have an unsustainable debt load and when we can no longer accumulate debt, the treadmill will stop. Trump has had an artificially inflated stock market to convince people we are still prosperous, but a correction is coming. What excuse do you use to continue to borrow money? What always works? War.

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 10:56 AM  

48. bobby

Do you work for the MSM? You took a quote from sykes.1, and made it appear that I said it or at least agreed. This is out-of-context, and is poor communication, or an intentional lie.

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 11:00 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:I feel the smuggled atomic weapons scenario is unlikely.

It's a matter of control. The Kims are control freaks and they can't maintain absolute control of the weapon in that situation.

I don't think that regime is capable of trusting any officer as it's minder under those circumstance.




I did a check on this an apparently the container can not just be "lead-lined," as would take a many lead bricks thickness to even hide a 10kt weapon, and the weight would be enormous.

Anonymous Raw Cringe September 03, 2017 11:18 AM  

Reuniting Korea will be a good thing. Let's pray there won't be any nukes involved either way. Those poor, starving, brainwashed NK masses are the greatest evidence on the earth right now against God's existence.

I don't see what there is to stop us from just supporting South Korea from the air and sea and letting them handle the ground.

I would also not so quickly discount the possibility that the man in charge of the North is actually insane. Every sin darkens the mind, and demanding to be worshipped as a God by an entire nation is blasphemy beyond imagination.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 03, 2017 11:20 AM  

I always figure what people at my level are told is nowhere near the reality grasped by those topping my hierarchy, and their grasp is still limited to only their slice of the total situation.

Holding out an opinion would be ridiculous on my part. So hope for the best, prepare for something worse.

Blogger Steven Johnson September 03, 2017 11:22 AM  

would take a many lead bricks thickness to even hide a 10kt weapon, and the weight would be enormous.

Too heavy for a container ship? Up on deck, maybe, but down in the hold? I've not heard of anything "too heavy for a ship."

Blogger Skyler the Weird September 03, 2017 11:26 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Low-background_steel

One of the side effects of atmospheric nuclear detonation is that pre 1945 shipwrecks are being raided for low-background steel needed for radioactivity detection devices like Geiger Counters.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2017 11:47 AM  

Kim Jung Un is an evil little despot. However, his regime—even when armed with thermonuclear weapon--need not pose a threat to the territory and people of the country of the U.S. He is, however, a grave threat to the American Empire and to the Washington control freaks whose hold on power depends upon the Empire’s existence.

Today’s “crises” in east Asia, the Middle East, and the Baltics exist as a direct result of the internationalist drive for power that has driven U.S. foreign policy for more than a century. Kim is a problem for his neighbors (South Korea and Japan, for example) but they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. The same can be said of the perceived threat that Iran poses to America and the capabilities of its neighbors (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.).

Kim is a problem for Washington only if it (and its supporters) believe that the American Empire has a right and an obligation to impose the its will on other sovereign nations. It is precisely the Empire’s threat that enable dictators like Kim to maintain his power by promising to defend their populations against U.S. aggression. Kim is using Washington's threats as a weapon against his own people

It’s time to come home.

Blogger seeingsights September 03, 2017 11:52 AM  

In an earlier post in this thread I said that during the Predidential campaign, Trump said that South Korean and Japan should be allowed to have nukes.

If Japan and South Korea had nukes, they would deter North Korea and US involvement would be much reduced.

Trump's policy proposal would have been good for the US but bad for the military-industrial complex. Thus the Deep State's opposition to Trump.

Anonymous Charlottesvillain September 03, 2017 11:56 AM  

@35
"Math Teacher, cat lover, works at yoga and golf"
Crazy cat lady rage.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy September 03, 2017 11:58 AM  

Is the warhead shown in the first photograph in the Daily Mail story a W88? The diagram in the background looks like it shows the front section of the radiation case as smaller in cross-sectional diameter than the rear section.

Anonymous EH September 03, 2017 11:59 AM  

NK is limited by its rate of production of plutonium, which is limited by their reactor neutron flux. When they have enough material, they do another test. It is unlikely that they have more than a couple of pits in their arsenal, quite likely none. So it is unlikely they have a shipping-container nuke now, but as they produce more plutonium, the odds go up.

This motivates war against NK sooner rather than later.

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 12:08 PM  

OMG! NK has The Bomb™! What will USA Bigly, the Universal Holy Babel Empire of Debauchery do? Somehow, someway, it must bring NK into the Universal Holy Babel System for the gooder of Babel mankind. Now what? Who will the Universal Babel Empire of Debauchery sacrifice again on the alter of Baal to whip up the Babel citizens for Babel war? We must turn up the radiance of our Thousand Points of Light™ of Babel upon the citizens of Universal Holy Babel Empire of Debauchery. It always works.

Anonymous Tipsy September 03, 2017 12:25 PM  

This would probably be a very good time to not live anywhere near the East or West Coasts.

Time to enact a shipping container inspection program with hefty fees until China gets North Korea under control.

Blogger Cinco September 03, 2017 12:26 PM  

First we need to master the art of detecting cargo ships.

Congratulations, you have won the internet.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 03, 2017 12:47 PM  

tuberman wrote:I did a check on this an apparently the container can not just be "lead-lined," as would take a many lead bricks thickness to even hide a 10kt weapon, and the weight would be enormous.
No-one is talking about flying it or hand-carrying it.

Blogger Tino September 03, 2017 12:51 PM  

Ships with neutron detectors (it is REALLY hard to prevent all neutrons from escaping) patrol all the cargo ships long, long before they are in port. There are no nukes in ports. There may be some embedded by the Russians in the shoreline for tsunami triggering at the appropriate time, but that's about it.

As I mentioned previously, nothing is going to happen. No side is ready for WW3. It may be possible for NK to commit a suicidal act that will kick off WW3 but it's not the way to bet. Calmer heads talk in the background, out of sight. Technically, China will end the situation when Trump starts moving the fleets into position. China will take the tactical loss because it interferes in their 100-yr plan for EurAsia. (And yes, they, the Brits and a few other institutions, plan that long ahead. Most plans are measured in decades.)

Anonymous Sharrukin September 03, 2017 12:55 PM  

The size of the arsenal is limited primarily by the stockpile of fissile material — plutonium and highly enriched uranium (HEU). Current plutonium inventories are estimated with moderate confidence to be in the range of 20 to 40 kg, sufficient for the manufacture of 4 to 8 plutonium bombs.

HEU inventories are estimated with much greater uncertainty to be in the range of 200 to 450 kg, sufficient for 10 to 25 HEU bombs. Annual production rates are estimated to be less than 6 kg of plutonium and ~150 kg HEU.

Added to an estimated 32- to 54 kilogram plutonium stockpile, the North will have sufficient fissile material for about 20 bombs by the end of 2016, Hecker said.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 03, 2017 1:04 PM  

More Trump tweets:

I will be meeting General Kelly, General Mattis and other military leaders at the White House to discuss North Korea. Thank you.

The United States is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea.


And we have a winner! 100 kt bomb isn't a nuke. Trump threatening to end trade with China. Now, that's a nuke!

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 1:07 PM  

Technically, China will end the situation when Trump starts moving the fleets into position.

That is just absolutely hilarious. China will do no such thing. China will not tolerate USA Bigly arbitrarily starting a war with NK unless it is in immediate self-defense. Ya know, unless NK attacks USA Bigly and/or arbitrarily lobbing artillery into SK.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 03, 2017 1:07 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Radiation is not difficult to conceal, especially if you have state funding.
Yes it is, and state funding has nothing to do with it.  You can attenuate gamma rays but that takes mass.  You can only put so much into a shipping container, and you can't hold enough to attenuate the signal below detection.  Then you have neutron emissions.  You can try to absorb those with e.g. hydrogen, but the neutron-capture gammas shine like a lightbulb.

Then there are things like portable neutron sources which will set off secondary fissions in any fissiles nearby and make them stand out really well, but passive detection is enough IIUC.

@42  Lead is practically transparent to neutrons.  Pu-240 yields 920 neutrons per gram-second; 4.5 kg of Pu at 5% Pu-240 is going to emit 200k neutrons a second.  That's awfully hard to hide in something the size of a shipping container, and you've got weight limits.

Letting the US capture a smuggled Nork nuke would be an own goal of epic proportions.  That's why there isn't one sitting in a container yard in Long Beach or anywhere else; if one comes to our shores, it'll go off before it lands.  Further, it would have to come via some third country.  Do you think China is going to smuggle Kim's bomb to the USA for him?  We'd glass Beijing.

Looking Glass wrote:first reports were overblown. Looks around 100 kt, which is a sizable bomb, technically
Tritium-boosted, likely.  The Yongbyan reactor should be able to make tritium.

Or maybe someone at Fukushima has been selling off water from the storage tanks on the sly.  Smoove, TEPCO. ;)

Blogger tuberman September 03, 2017 1:09 PM  

66. SW Did not say it could not be done. This was my reply to something unmentioned during that post.

BBGKB said:

"...ER Trama room probably has enough shielding to hide a nuke."

Anyway, anything that is unusual stands out, and is more likely to be uncovered with any extra movement beyond the ship. Besides, I'm sure China has been warned that they will be held responsible.

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 1:09 PM  

The United States is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea.

Again, hilarious.

How about... The United States is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with Russia.

Nobody gave a crap then either.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis September 03, 2017 1:10 PM  

Blockade of North Korea is the USA next logical step. Nothing goes in or out of North Korea by sea.

Yes, it would violate the 12 mile limit between the Russian and North Korean sea exclusion zone in the east -- for the port of Senbong (Seanbong). Russia will only complain via diplomatic means...they are not happy with North Korea as Vladivostok is a big deal to them and is in easy range of a North Korean nuke.

Anonymous Panzer Man September 03, 2017 1:14 PM  

War drums blah blah Norks are led by a nut blah blah must defend Muh Freedumbs from 5,000 miles away blah.

In the meantime, hordes of foreign invaders swarm into and through the U.S. unopposed. Assisted, even.

How about we let the Koreans mind their own damn business while we actually do something to protect OUR country, rather than mucking about shooting up odd-looking foreigners thousands of miles away while letting our own country disintegrate?

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 03, 2017 1:15 PM  

Looks like the exit plans of the Elders of Wye are moving along nicely. Tribal members have been paving the way since the inception of the People's Republic. Wonder when the epicenter of the counterfeiting racket will shift. Kim-Jong Crazy is Beijing's junkyard dog. Still, it's notable that Faceberg was not allowed into China, despite the annointed one's mating with a Chinese and wanting to name the child after the party boss.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 03, 2017 1:17 PM  

Whether it's physically possible to smuggle an atomic into this country or not is a moot point.

The Kims wouldn't do it.

Look at it from their perspective.

There is no control over the risks whatsoever. You have nothing but variables.

What if America's notorious port criminals break into the container?

What if they screw around with it and manage to set it off?

The worst possibility is live capture of the weapon by the American government. Just smuggling an atomic weapon into the US legally constitutes an attack with an WMD. Obama was obviously too much of a pussy to worry about that but Trump is clearly a mad man! The B-2s will be dropping atomic weapons on us before we even know we are under attack.

The Kims are control freaks. I just don't see them risking it.

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 1:22 PM  

Blockade of North Korea is the USA next logical step. Nothing goes in or out of North Korea by sea.

Or what? USA Babel Bigly will sink Russian and Chinese ships?

I'm hearing tones of USA! USA! USA! Bigly! Babel!

It works the dame in any country, especially USA Bigly AmuriKa.

Blogger Thucydides September 03, 2017 1:24 PM  

While somewhat dated, the basic assumptions behind this article still seem to be valid, and illustrate that *we* really are now in a position where we can try to discover the "least worst" choice: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/10/when-north-korea-falls/305228/

One idea which hasn't received any public airing is the use of the traditional Green Beret mission of fomenting revolution in the rear areas of an occupied area. Since we can consider the DPRK "occupied", the Green Berets will need to discover ways to get into occupied territory and break the information monopoly of the Kim regime. I suggest that the 2GW conventional military of the DPRK is not going to be adept at fighting a 4GW insurgency, and the destabilization of the DPRK through these means can both bring the regime down at low cost to us, defang the WMD program and put enormous pressure on China, who's number one fear is containing the effects of the collapse of the DPRK and preventing spillover into China.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 03, 2017 1:26 PM  

wreckage wrote:
A nuke would allow the US to 3GW the hell out of NK; that's the PERFECT war for the USA. Lots of showy bombing and precision guided propaganda, the NK media situation hands narrative control to the USA... it would be so good for any given US administration you'd almost assume it was a false-flag.

That's an interesting point. Consider now that the NK's got their recent long-range improved rockets from the Soros/CIA-owned regime of Ukraine. Wonder how much else has been quietly provided to Kim from the Fake Banana Empire's advance men there.

Anonymous Sharrukin September 03, 2017 1:34 PM  

The North Koreans won't smuggle a weapon into the US. They will launch a missile with a nuke on it.

They keep doing things that everyone said they couldn't possibly do for years.

They aren't stupid.
Strange yes...stupid, no!

IIRC there was a mysterious missile trail off LA in nov 8, 2010 and again in nov 15, 2010. Same year NK showed off a copy of the Russian SS-N-6 SLBM. Surface launch of the Musudan?

Maybe that was them sending a message?

In any case they aren't some third world terrorist group.

They have the ability to deliver their nuclear weapons as well as other WMDs.

Blogger J Van Stry September 03, 2017 1:37 PM  

We need to tell China that we now recognize North Korea as their client state, engaging in China approved and directed activities.
And that if North Korea attacks us, part of our response will be an immediate first strike on China with nuclear weapons.

I don't think China wants to lose half of it's cities just to protect North Korea. That's what we need to put on the table, that China PAYS for what North Korea does.

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Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 1:41 PM  

Since we can consider the DPRK "occupied", the Green Berets will need to discover ways to get into occupied territory and break the information monopoly of the Kim regime.

LMAO! The super-duper "Green Beanies" will have to secretly "occupy" occupied NK? Which part will they occupy to set up VOA? We'll call it... Operation Pineland! They'll be captured and tortured within days.

How about the ex-pent-ah-con official plan to surgically strike NK's 20,000 plus artillery pieces and wiping them out in a manner of hours, and then invade NK?

Anonymous Sharrukin September 03, 2017 1:44 PM  

82. J Van Stry

China PAYS for what North Korea does.

That assumes that China has any control over North Korea.

Kim Jong-Un killed his uncle and brother who were friendly to China and suspected that China wanted him dead.

If North Korea attacks South Korea does that mean we go to war with China?

Anonymous BBGKB September 03, 2017 1:44 PM  

You can attenuate gamma rays but that takes mass. You can only put so much into a shipping container, and you can't hold enough to attenuate the signal below detection

What if they were smart enough to put shipping containers of dense materials on all sides of it. Even if that failed all it takes is a low trust Affirmative Action worker taking a bribe to slip something in. Concrete & steel have lead equivalency ratings as I assume so does dirt
http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/38/jresv38n6p665_a1b.pdf

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 03, 2017 1:46 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:
I have no love for North Korea but their leaders at least appear to understand the rules of the game they're playing. Alternatively, could be the dick waving instinct, but I think they at least have more survival instinct than the neocons.

You seriously misunderestmate the survival instinct of (((neocons))), which rivals that of cockroaches (with whom they share many other characteristics). From Reagan the Poz to Trump, the (((neocons))) call the shots for the dispatch of the Fake Banana Empire's low-IQ legions and their treasonous sellout officers.

As for the dick-waving, all true followers of Harambe (DOFH) know the value of this. Perhaps ol' Kim is a secret fan....

Anonymous Ooga Booga September 03, 2017 1:46 PM  

"We should do this!"
"We should do that!"

There is no "we." There is the deep state, and there is you. And you are not on the same team.
There is only we in the sense of "My family and I should move to the country."

Anonymous Anonymous September 03, 2017 1:52 PM  

@DronesRbad "I'm not climatologist, but it would seem that repetitive nuclear explosions, of whatever actual type (H bomb, etc), could not be "good" for the environment, in at least that while it may be a closed system--it's a closed system, and it would seem such blasts might cause things like hurricanes, and earthquakes to elevate in strength, intensity and numbers. "

The earth is somewhat bigger than you give it credit for. A hurricane, for instance, dwarfs the power of even a big nuke. The "Tsar Bomba" yields 210PJ, according to wikipedia - about the same energy as 12 hours of sunlight on 3.5 square km of ocean (at 137 mW/cm2).

Blogger DonReynolds September 03, 2017 1:58 PM  

The achievement in nuclear weapons is not in making a more powerful one. That would seem simple enough and the technology for doing so is not even a secret. The achievement is making a nuclear bomb small enough and light enough that it can be carried through the air long distances (by rocket or airplane), accurately enough to destroy an intended target. The delivery vehicle is actually the hard part and getting the delivery vehicle anywhere near the intended target (safely) is the other half of the problem. Stealth may be the obvious solution. A submarine can travel thousands of miles of ocean and launch weapons close to the coast. A merchant ship can actually be the delivery vehicle and slip into most harbors without be intercepted. Parts for a nuke can be shipped separately to saboteurs in the enemy country and re-assembled. Targeting can be as simple as parking a rental truck (carrying the bomb).

But stealth does not work well when you announce you intend to attack. It spoils the surprise and the intended target is on high alert and readiness, while you are trying to be stealthy. It simply does not work well, unless the whole business is a ruse and a distraction.

Blogger Rez Zircon September 03, 2017 2:05 PM  

This is interesting:
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=UdvbMTKfUOk
(she's done a couple on him)

Watch the officials around Kim. They're all either True Believers or scared to death. NO ONE acts relaxed or normal.

BTW, if you know what to look for, you can see that Kim has a chronic undiagnosed and untreated medical condition (no, not the obesity), which can be pretty much counted on killing him around age 62. And which I won't name because why offer critical information to the enemy?

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 2:11 PM  

Watch the officials around Kim. They're all either True Believers or scared to death. NO ONE acts relaxed or normal.

How observant. And until Kim?

Meanwhile:

Okay. I have the plan. We can unleash the "Rod from God" weapon on NK and blame it on a meteor shower!

Blogger Chris Mallory September 03, 2017 2:12 PM  

All we have to do is have Harold W. Smith tell Chiun that Kim is stealing gold meant for Sinanju.

Anonymous Anonymous September 03, 2017 2:16 PM  

@46. Looking Glass (discussing scenarios) "NK submits to removal & inspections in return for security guarantees and supplies."

After what happened to Saddam? Under no circumstances will NK (which is to say, KJU) willingly forgo their nuclear capability. It's suicide, and everyone knows it.

Guarantees from the USA are not worth the paper they are written on, and everyone knows that, too. Ask the native American Indian tribes how it worked out for them. Ask the Canadian softwood industry. It's the nature of democracies - the new government comes in and simply repudiates what the previous administration agreed to, and what are you going to do about it?

Maybe there will be bloody war. Maybe there'll be a quiet decapitation of the regime. Or more likely, maybe there'll be some sort of deténte. But KN peacefully giving up it's nukes is a thing that simply is not going to happen.

Anonymous Sharrukin September 03, 2017 2:20 PM  

94. paulmurray

Under no circumstances will NK (which is to say, KJU) willingly forgo their nuclear capability.

Not unless he wants to get raped with a bayonet like Gaddafi.

Blogger Random September 03, 2017 2:23 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:"I'd be astonished if North Korea hasn't already planted a bomb or two in a Chinese container that is sitting in a US port."

I have long wondered how good they are at detecting nukes.


First we need to master the art of detecting cargo ships.


Well done, I needed a new keyboard anyway.

Blogger Random September 03, 2017 2:25 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:All we have to do is have Harold W. Smith tell Chiun that Kim is stealing gold meant for Sinanju.

Oh man, that would not end well for lil' Kim!

Some 'mysterious illness' or accident coming his way soon!

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 2:29 PM  

Here we go again:

https://youtu.be/M5jQe6C01XU?t=5s

Whipping it up.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist September 03, 2017 2:35 PM  

We all know how this ends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeQWWKKvq4

Anonymous Avalanche September 03, 2017 2:45 PM  

@8 Thus why he's killed most of his extended family recently.)

Unless he was sending them all on ahead!?

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 2:48 PM  

@99

But you haven't seen Red Dawn.

https://youtu.be/bdooxAxP8-k

WE WILL PREVAIL!

Anonymous SumDood September 03, 2017 3:57 PM  

NK has been counterfeiting US currency for decades to prop up his regime.

US should reciprocate, and drop bales of counterfeit NK bills all over NK by drones. Leave "clues" in the materials used to point to China being behind it.

Blogger Francis The Pope September 03, 2017 4:10 PM  

I remember an article by Buchanan about how in the past Mao was much more threatening than all our current supposed great threats are, and the reaction was not as hysterical as the current US regime is behaving now.

Since I am very anti American, I have great admiration to people that give the the US the middle finger. Kim Jong Un is neither insane or suicidal, but he is very brave (as opposed to the fake "brave" the media likes to give to BLM or gay athletes for coming out) and I can respect that.

Blogger Elder Son September 03, 2017 4:11 PM  

@102 USA Bigly has been counterfeiting for decades and making a monopoly out of it. With the implicit global threat of extreme violence to back it up.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 03, 2017 5:15 PM  

They're trying to bluff Trump isn't blinking.

That's what I keep thinking. Which doesn't mean NK isn't dangerous, but they promised to attack the US in mid-August, and that passed when Trump didn't bite. I get the impression they're hoping to trigger the US into an attack that would excuse a Chinese response or draw the Russians into something messy. It's easy to see that happening with some past administrations.

I would prefer that we'd turned Japan and South Korea loose to defend themselves years ago, but we didn't, so here we are. If NK wants a nuke for deterrence, I can't blame them. If they're really determined to attack the US or a country we're obligated to defend, and they do so, I'm just glad we have some grown-ups in charge at the moment, and a president who isn't itching to go to war.

Anonymous DMV September 03, 2017 5:43 PM  

I would not be at all surprised if the Clintons/globalists are behind NK's aggression. The Clintons, what with giving them the nukes in the first place, have a very cozy relationship with North Korea. There is NOTHING the Clintons will not do to undermine President Trump and create havoc for America under his Presidency.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 03, 2017 5:43 PM  

Yes it is, and state funding has nothing to do with it. You can attenuate gamma rays but that takes mass. You can only put so much into a shipping container, and you can't hold enough to attenuate the signal below detection. Then you have neutron emissions. You can try to absorb those with e.g. hydrogen, but the neutron-capture gammas shine like a lightbulb.

This is just stupid. Boron Carbide works quite well to slow and absorb neutron radiation, and lead to absorb the resulting gamma rays.

Anonymous Daniel September 03, 2017 5:44 PM  

@25
>>First we need to master the art of detecting cargo ships.

Best comment. Ha, ha, ha.

Blogger Eric Slate September 03, 2017 7:09 PM  

Let's say the North Koreans manage to detonate a nuke along the Western or northeastern seaboards... Why would anyone in the interior care? The nation's elites have been busy attacking their culture for decades. How can they credibly think we are the same country anymore?

Anonymous Andrew Anglin September 03, 2017 7:31 PM  

Kim has called Trumpenthal's bluff.

Trumpenthal continues tweeting furiously.

makes me laugh with pleasure. Good on 'lil Kim. For noticing that countries that have nuclear weapons do not get violent visitations from Uncle Schmuel.

in other news, Trumpenthal just sold out on funding his once-and-future Wall. Yet again.

Blogger Buybuydandavis September 03, 2017 9:24 PM  

Shimshon wrote:@8 Mr. Anonymous Conservative opines that a terminally ill Kim could react in such a manner. But even then, would his underlings go along with that level of insanity?

We are all terminally ill. Our lives are finite. The God Emperor of North Korea may be planning on the uuuugest funeral pyre ever as his farewell address.

I don't know if it's true, but Jordan Peterson talks about Hitler in those terms. The German people failed Him, and deserved to be the kindling of his funeral pyre. And as the end drew near, the Germans were busy *spending resources* on killing Jews that could have gone to fighting the Allies or protecting the Germans. Germans kept fighting down to Berlin. How long did the generals know the fight was hopeless before that?

Expecting that the NK high command would muster a *desire* to stop their God Emperor, let alone the will and capability to do so, in the much shorter time available to stop the NK Armageddon after their God Emperor has issued the launch codes is fantastical wishful thinking.

Whether true or not in Hitler's case, such resentment and malevolence, apres moi le deluge, should not be mistaken for insanity, or even considered particularly rare.

(See Stephen Donaldson's Ritual of Desecration for details.)

What makes the NK situation extra difficult is that NK and it's God Emperor have based the prosperity they have on nuclear extortion. The more nukes, the more powerful they become, the more tribute they will demand. It's not about self preservation, it's about extortion by threatening what they are able to destroy. That game dances the line between threat and destruction on purpose.

Once you pay the Danegild, you never get rid of the Dane. Hard to see how this ends well. More temporizing, more tribute, while we engage in an arms race to exterminate Kim with minimal collateral damage.

In the meantime, other countries will be sure to notice that nuclear blackmail is a profitable national industry.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 04, 2017 1:12 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:This is just stupid. Boron Carbide works quite well to slow and absorb neutron radiation, and lead to absorb the resulting gamma rays.
Straight boron would be better for neutrons (B-11+n->3α), but it's a poor gamma absorber and you have to first have sufficient thickness to hide the neutron signal and then put an adequate thickness of gamma-sponge outside it.  The mass of that gamma shield goes up as the square of the radius of the inner shield.

You can't do this with a shadow-shield as you would with a spacecraft.  It has to be 100% coverage.  Since you're asserting it's doable, calculate the thickness of this and get back to us.

The neutron background is OTOO hundreds of neutrons per square meter per second.  There's your starting point.

Buybuydandavis wrote:In the meantime, other countries will be sure to notice that nuclear blackmail is a profitable national industry.
Thus guaranteeing that one or several of them will be made examples.  Deep-penetrating nuclear bombs will turn large areas of surface into rubble.  This is just the thing for turning KJU's artillery tubes and their crews into junk metal and hamburger before they can fire on Seoul.

If there's nothing to gain from using nukes as a sneak-attack or as blackmail, countries will stop trying to get them.

Blogger KRW September 04, 2017 2:36 AM  

(1) NK is not directly threatening the world. It is and has been directly threatening the US.
(2) NK wants the US out of SK. Completely. Military/economic/political/culture. All of it.
(3) NK wants to unite NK and SK. NK knows that the US has no interest in allowing such a thing to happen. Therefore the US must leave SK.
(4) NK can not prosper under current dictatorship. It must absorb SK to do so. Therefore the US must leave SK.
(5) NK and China are not joined at the hip. There are some trade benefits that is apparent. At the current levels there are no problems and it is beneficial to both countries at some low levels. China wants things to remain as they are with no boat rocking. They are confident that a unified Korea will have enough communistic and socialistic tendencies that are deep enough to prevent them from becoming an immediate economic power and are no threat to them in that regard. They could get beneficial resources and manpower cheaply for a long period of time. They expect such an economic scenario to potentially take a very long time and thus, giving them lots of time to exert sufficient influence to keep a friendly balance of economic and political power for the region. Therefore China/Russia do not mind if the US leaves. Only in the way it does.
(6) Any nuke fallout and such that would come from NK would generally be blown west by the wind patterns. China/Russia have very little cares about this. Nuke fallout from the west coast US is a huge concern for the rest of the US because of the same wind patterns. A nuke does not have to detonate over land to create problems. A little way off the west coast will do harm (NK subs should be target number one in any conflict). Therefore a conflict between NK and the US is not a priority for China/Russia. Conflict in NK by anyone turns NK into a bigger burden. Plus the economic cost of such an endeavor and the cleanup bill would be very huge. China/Russia and maybe others would fully expect this burden to fall on the combatants but would, of course, offer assistance as long as they get an acceptable piece of the pie.
(7)China/Russia have said that the US can finish what NK begins but the US is not allowed to begin anything itself. See all the above for reasons why.
(8)SK government is not as people supported as it may seem. SK gov is a bit corrupt which for some reason tends to be the norm (perhaps cultural). It is reasonable to believe that it could fail and fall with moderate pushing. That leaves the military to maintain control and control it would. Ultimately whoever controls the NK and SK military will control unified Korea in the future. Military control always slows economic growth way down which is what China/Russia want anyway. The question is how all this comes about and who starts the ball rolling.
(9)The US empire is declining simply because the rest of the world is catching up. This is historical for most empires. A modest decline internal to the empire as the external world catches up with technology and economics and military power. Keeping this in mind should be paramount in the future planning for the US for the decades and centuries to come. The US can not exert enough influence in the future to maintain the current status quo. Those folks who should be planning for multiple decades down the road for the US do not appear to be doing such a good job (part of the internal US decline). Perhaps the US should concentrate more on this side of the planet and begin empire building in North America/Central America/South America…prudently and slowly of course.
(10) Perhaps as the words “They have to go back” are true, maybe the words “We have to come back” are equally true.

Later,

KRW

Blogger Elder Son September 04, 2017 3:16 AM  

If there's nothing to gain from using nukes as a sneak-attack or as blackmail, countries will stop trying to get them.

Because countries that do have have, or are trying to get them, would never thunk to use them as defensive only weapons.

As usual, the neo-cons have Americans pegged. Even the deplorables. Just say nucular.

Anonymous Clay September 04, 2017 8:40 PM  

Lord have mwercy. I've been saying on this site NOBODY, including the the NORKS are going to try and launch a ballistic missile on us.

We see it from space. We know where it comes from.

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